Andy Pettitte Out for Season [Archive]

FoulkeLore

08-18-04, 04:27 PM

I had him on my fantasy team this year and always liked him, even when he was a Yankee. Not to talk about him like he's dead but he always carried himself well and seemed to have great respect for the game. I wish him the best of luck in his recovery and rehab.

nhyankeefan

08-18-04, 04:33 PM

That's too bad. He's a good guy and deserve's better. Hopefully he can get healthy and pitch well again.

the_coach

08-18-04, 04:40 PM

Does this mean Roger is going to have surgery too?

;)

Get well Pettitte.

RhodeyYankee2638

08-18-04, 04:45 PM

Im not surprised one bit. Batting in the NL doesn't help either

hellonewman

08-18-04, 04:46 PM

The Astros owe him $8.5 million next year and $17.5 million (gulp) in 2006. They are in BIG trouble.

tdel23

08-18-04, 04:48 PM

this is why I give the Yankee management the benefit of the doubt with the moves they make...

LeapsNbounds

08-18-04, 04:50 PM

Looks like the yankees knew what they were doing. And I am positive that he did not "injure" it batting, he has had elbow problems before.

In any event get well soon Andy!!!!

Roger will be with you every step of the way ;)

YankeeFan1

08-18-04, 04:52 PM

Ugh, I feel bad for Andy. I didn't like it when the Yankees let him enter his walk year without a contract opening the door for Houston, but Andy made the choice to leave. McLane and Hunsicker must be freaking out and I'm not feeling sorry for them at all.

mr G

08-18-04, 05:23 PM

will undergo season ending surgery !!!
do you think the yankees knew this when they failed to make a strong effort to sign him ???

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/hou/news/hou_press_release.jsp?ymd=20040818&content_id=831298&vkey=pr_hou&fext=.jsp

Moose35

08-18-04, 05:26 PM

0 for 3 :o

1. Wrong forum.
2. Already posted.
3. Non-descriptive subject.

http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68408

Rich

08-18-04, 05:26 PM

They knew he was at risk.

Best wishes, Andy.

ForceFive

08-18-04, 05:26 PM

Wrong forum.

And yes, they knew something was wrong since 2002 when he spent 2 months on the DL with elbow problems. That IS WHY they didn't want to seriously commit years and money to him this offseason, and it is why they didn't fight Houston that badly to retain him (especially when they knew they'd have to outbid them BIGTIME in order for him to not go hom). They deemed the risk not worth it, and they were right.

Moose35

08-18-04, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by hellonewman
The Astros owe him $8.5 million next year and $17.5 million (gulp) in 2006. They are in BIG trouble.

I'm sure he'll be fine for those two years. The surgery should fix it, right?

rightfielder21

08-18-04, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by mr G

do you think the yankees knew this when they failed to make a strong effort to sign him ???

It was one factor...

Yankyfan

08-18-04, 05:28 PM

Hate to say I told you so but I would like my Props from some of the hard statements made 9 months ago!!

Rich

08-18-04, 05:29 PM

First Key, now Pettitte. Kudos to the predictive ability of the Yankees' doctors, and best wishes to Andy.

hardrain

08-18-04, 05:33 PM

Cashman is smarter than most people give him credit for -- even Gammons says this.

23Mattingly4ever

08-18-04, 05:45 PM

Andy Phillips!!!!!!

would have been a better topic

hellonewman

08-18-04, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by Moose35

I'm sure he'll be fine for those two years. The surgery should fix it, right?
Well, maybe. I would guess he'd suffer some residual arm-strength issues next year, and by 2006 — well, a mid-market team like Houston can't be paying the Andy Pettittes of this world $17.5 million, even if he's 100%. It's a crushing burden on their payroll.

Rich

08-18-04, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by hardrain
Cashman is smarter than most people give him credit for -- even Gammons says this.

He is, but this was a medical decision.

2JAY

08-18-04, 05:50 PM

andy!!!

Mr. Mxylsplk

08-18-04, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by mr G
will undergo season ending surgery !!!
do you think the yankees knew this when they failed to make a strong effort to sign him ???
Many of us here knew it - if they hadn't figured out themselves I'm sure the yanks heard the buzz on nyyfans.com. ;)

whifflestrike

08-18-04, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by Yankyfan
Hate to say I told you so but I would like my Props from some of the hard statements made 9 months ago!! Got your props... right here.

hardrain

08-18-04, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by Rich

He is, but this was a medical decision.

agreed. but he had the courage to listen to proper medical advice--and that makes all the difference.

Jersey Yankee

08-18-04, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by ForceFive
Wrong forum.

And yes, they knew something was wrong since 2002 when he spent 2 months on the DL with elbow problems. That IS WHY they didn't want to seriously commit years and money to him this offseason, and it is why they didn't fight Houston that badly to retain him (especially when they knew they'd have to outbid them BIGTIME in order for him to not go hom). They deemed the risk not worth it, and they were right. With my heart, I'd have taken Andy back in the wink of an eye. With my brain, I'd have let him walk also. At least Cashman made it look half-decent in encouraging Andy to play the FA market. You can't say that Andy didn't want to explore this, as he'd felt very comfy looking forward to his new home (which wasn't that far away from home).

Last season seemed like a career year for him, as he's never been consistent enough to do that regularly. See the '01 WS or the '98 ALCS as an example.

Since we're talking about investing $31.5M in him, and much more (like Colon money) had Cashman signed him, I can't see him wasting all that on a player who may not even spend a full season (or even two full out of 3 years) on that team.

At least we got some draft picks, and the parade that "We got Andy" has turned around, and the joke that "The Yanks let Andy walk" doesn't seem so funny anymore. :cool:

Jersey Yankee

08-18-04, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by Mr. Mxylsplk
Many of us here knew it - if they hadn't figured out themselves I'm sure the yanks heard the buzz on nyyfans.com. ;) They didn't need anyone's buzz. He's had many elbow problems before, but since he didn't want to risk ending any contract discussions, he felt like playing through out.

He's got the $$$, but unless he can pitch well again, I'm not sure if he'll ever get another.

BTW, since he's going to Dr Andrews, is this TJ Surgery? If so, he may be out until spring of '06.

Sultans of Swing

08-18-04, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by LeapsNbounds
Looks like the yankees knew what they were doing. And I am positive that he did not "injure" it batting, he has had elbow problems before.

In any event get well soon Andy!!!!

Roger will be with you every step of the way ;)

Exactly my thoughts all around. "Batting" my ass, his arm's been ready to fall off for a year or two now. I think most of the media isn't giving the Yankees the credit they deserve for this non-signing.

But I do wish him well, it's a shame, to have that kind of potential, and a good amount of it realized, but to have that kind of health problem. If he stayed in NY and didn't have that bad elbow, for his whole career, I think he'd be somewhere close or above 300 wins.

bamtino

08-18-04, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by the_coach
Does this mean Roger is going to have surgery too?

;)

Get well Pettitte.

Roger left today's game with a leg injury...you may not be so far off :lol:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpNWZic251BF9TAzI1NjY0ODI1BHNlYwN0aA--?slug=ap-astros-clemensinjured&prov=ap&type=lgns

I'm not making fun of the injury, but thought it was ironic that five minutes after I read the above quote I found this article on Yahoo!

I hope that Andy recovers fully and that Roger's injury is a minor one.

wexy

08-18-04, 08:16 PM

I hope Andy has a full recovery but it looks like management knew of the fragility of his arm.

rightfielder21

08-18-04, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by the_coach
Does this mean Roger is going to have surgery too?

:lol: :lol:

ACPS

08-18-04, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by the_coach
Does this mean Roger is going to have surgery too?

;)

HOUSTON PITCHER ROGER CLEMENS LEFT THE GAME IN THE TOP OF THE FOURTH INNING WITH A STRAINED RIGHT CALF.

sugmasterflex

08-18-04, 09:23 PM

Get well Andy!

Also, good job by the Yankees on projecting the seriousness of Pettitte's (possible) injury.

Yogi3

08-18-04, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by sugmasterflex
Get well Andy!

Also, good job by the Yankees on projecting the seriousness of Pettitte's (possible) injury.

If only they could have predicted, that Brown, Moose, Karsay, Lieber would have been on the DL.

bagger015

08-18-04, 10:38 PM

Best of luck in rehab........not suprised due to his having problems starting with last year.........

Dooley Womack

08-18-04, 11:12 PM

The Yanks knew what they were doing when they didn't go out of their way to sign him. Either way, I don't think Andy wanted to come back because being home was more attractive to him.

I wish him well

Dooley Womack

08-18-04, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by Rich
First Key, now Pettitte. Kudos to the predictive ability of the Yankees' doctors, and best wishes to Andy.

I agree with this for the most part. I think they goofed on Urbina though.

BroadwayBomber55

08-18-04, 11:16 PM

Get well Andy.

The Houston Astros had a rough year this year.

Zimmers' Helmet

08-18-04, 11:32 PM

Why would I not be surprised to see him back in Yankee Pinstripes in 2006 when he's due the $17 million and his arm is back to full strength...

Best of luck Andy.

Darth_Takeo

08-18-04, 11:49 PM

The NL was the death of them.

Pettitte first injured himself swinging the bat near the start of the season.

Now Roger hurt running bases?

To reverse the phrase, this adds injury to insult, with their season already a wash.

Good choice, geniuses! The Bambino curse reaches beyond Boston, it would seem.....

WebsterMulligan

08-19-04, 12:01 AM

Get well soon, Andy! Best of luck on your recovery.

Luvtino

08-19-04, 12:13 AM

They made the right decision not to bring Andy back, but it still pains me to see he needs surgery. I hope he has a quick and complete recovery. :(

montyque

08-19-04, 12:25 AM

Am I a bad person because this makes me a little happy, while Contreras' ChiSox success makes me a little sad? I hate me.

BroadwayBomber55

08-19-04, 01:41 AM

Originally posted by Darth_Takeo
The NL was the death of them.

Pettitte first injured himself swinging the bat near the start of the season.

Now Roger hurt running bases?

To reverse the phrase, this adds injury to insult, with their season already a wash.

Good choice, geniuses! The Bambino curse reaches beyond Boston, it would seem.....

Don't forget about what happened to the Astros last year by Chicago Cub fans: the Astros didn't let the Billy Goat into Minute Maid Park and paid the price with a chant followed by a loss.

If anyone is confused, here's what I'm talkin' about: http://www.virgilhomer.com/story/effects.asp

NYCVirago

08-19-04, 05:33 AM

Originally posted by bamtino

Roger left today's game with a leg injury...you may not be so far off :lol:

Are they going to have adjoining hospital rooms? :)

ConnYanksFan

08-19-04, 07:32 AM

It has been a rough year for the Astros. They're no where near being competitive in the NL Central, Andy Pettitte is done for the year, and Clemens hurt himself last night. Can't get much worse.

Kudos to the Yankees front office and medical staff for making what looks like the right move.

rightfielder21

08-19-04, 08:23 AM

MaineSoxFan

08-19-04, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by Yogi3

If only they could have predicted, that Brown, Moose, Karsay, Lieber would have been on the DL.

Considering the Yankees signed Lieber after he had TJ surgery and knew that he would have to sit out the following year, somehow I think they knew he would be on the DL.

DaPip1998

08-19-04, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by Rich
First Key, now Pettitte. Kudos to the predictive ability of the Yankees' doctors, and best wishes to Andy.

Don't forget Jeff Nelson. Most people think the team let him walk after 2000 bec. he didn't get along with Joe-but after 1 more good yr with Seattle, he was never the same either.

silverdsl

08-19-04, 08:35 AM

It's a shame to hear that Pettitte has to get surgery though not really all that surprising either. I hope the surgery and recovery goes well for him.

-Deborah

Alex

08-19-04, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by Yogi3

If only they could have predicted, that Brown, Moose, Karsay, Lieber would have been on the DL.

I'm confused about your including Lieber on this. They signed him while he was recovering from surgery, so of course they knew he'd be on the DL.

Yankee Bulldawg

08-19-04, 10:48 AM

the Astro's are in deep s***

Espinosa's Glasses

08-19-04, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by NYCVirago

Are they going to have adjoining hospital rooms? :)

nope... they'll have a queen size bed to share

The Q Bomb

08-19-04, 02:57 PM

First of all - best wishes to Andy for a speedy recovery. I don't wish him success with The Astros but I do wish the best for his health.

Secondly, let's not give The Yankees too much credit. I guess I will never get over my insistence that The Yankees should have signed Andybefore the 2003 season. His past performance and history with the team demanded that he be signed long-term and I am sure both parties would have come to a reasonable and mutually satisfying agreement. I don't think The Yankees knew how bad his elbow really was. If they were so reticient about signing pitchers with "iffy" futures as far as health is concerned, they wouldn't have signed David Wells, Kevin Brown, Jon Leiber, or any other of the walking rehabs they have signed. Yes, I understand it was a more of an issue with Andy, as his contract would have been more expensive and for a longer term than any of the aforementioned pitchers, but still they could have and should have signed him! They blew it and now look good at Pettitte's expense.

Irony Of It All

08-19-04, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by Jersey Yankee

BTW, since he's going to Dr Andrews, is this TJ Surgery? If so, he may be out until spring of '06.

Nope, it's the same injury Schmidt had last year...

This is a flexor tendon repair much like the one undergone by Jason Schmidt last season, so having Pettitte back for spring training is likely. Given Schmidt's timetable, Pettitte's having the surgery in-season might allow him to be ready for Opening Day. In retrospect, backloading his deal might not look like the smartest thing.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=3360