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Red Sox Fan824
07-24-04, 03:54 PM
What do we have to say....
Maybe some Yankee fans can post about how much they love Varitek's passion and feel bad for him getting ejected.
YankyDave
07-24-04, 04:10 PM
Or maybe we can post how it's always Yanks players being hit by Sox pitchers and not the other way around.
yankeegeek
07-24-04, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by YankyDave
Or maybe we can post how it's always Yanks players being hit by Sox pitchers and not the other way around.
True, but the best revenge is beating the **** out of Curt last night. Even better is 2003 ALCS and beating Peedro. Let them start fights. That is the most fight that the baseball world will see from the 04 Sux!
Red Sox Fan824
07-24-04, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by yankeegeek
That is the most fight that the baseball world will see from the 04 Sux!
I'm hoping otherwise. Storms in nature exist to solve imbalances. You could say that this Red Sox team was imbalanced. Maybe this brawl - a storm - will wake up the team and create some unity, as the FOX announcers said. Everyone is writing this team off as a huge disappointment. Guess what - it isn't over yet. No, I'm not saying Boston will win the division. I'm hoping for the Wild Card, but who knows. But I am saying that this team will more than likely finish 10 games or less back of the Yankees. I hope we have yet to see the best.
nhyankeefan
07-24-04, 04:29 PM
Typical Red Sox response - hit the hero from the night before when there's two out. Very brave of Veritek to challenge A Rod with his mask on.
Not to smart of Sturze to go after Kapler like that. He was pitching great and needed to stay in the game.
whatever123456
07-24-04, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by YankyDave
Or maybe we can post how it's always Yanks players being hit by Sox pitchers and not the other way around.
Because Nomar wasn't beaned last night in the bottom of the 8th?
nhyankeefan
07-24-04, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by whatever123456
Because Nomar wasn't beaned last night in the bottom of the 8th?
I think even the most fanatical Sox fan will admit that this year Sox pitchers have hit more Yankee batters than vice versa. Also, Nomar was hit in a much different situation - I doubt the Yanks would intentionally put the go ahead run in base.
StaceyRosie
07-24-04, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by whatever123456
Because Nomar wasn't beaned last night in the bottom of the 8th?
No he wasn't. That was a pitch that got away from Gordon.
cubswin
07-24-04, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by StaceyRosie
No he wasn't. That was a pitch that got away from Gordon.
I agree that Nomar wasn't hit intentionally. I didn't see this incident, but it is hypocritical that many Yanks fans -- not necessarily you, StaceyRosie -- can't acknowledge that when Yankees get hit it just might be accidental.
StaceyRosie
07-24-04, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by cubswin
I agree that Nomar wasn't hit intentionally. I didn't see this incident, but it is hypocritical that many Yanks fans -- not necessarily you, StaceyRosie -- can't acknowledge that when Yankees get hit it just might be accidental.
Well I didn't see the incident. I came home when they showed the replay. I'll leave my judgements for when I watch everything in real time.
cubswin
07-24-04, 05:23 PM
Can anybody who saw it provide some insights?
The game thread is too full of riled up folks for their posts to be useful. Some say ARod mouthed at tek, some say other way around, some say Arroyo said something to Arod, etc...
This is kiilling me not being able to watch the game!
Holdstrong
07-24-04, 05:31 PM
It appeared that arod started to say something to arroyo after staring him down (not suree if arroyo was talking), then tek did his job by following him down the line putting himself between arod and arroyo.... but the video clearing shows teks head moving. So he is jawing pretty hard. Arod stops says f-u twice..... i assume to tek, but maybe not.... then looks right at tek and appears to say "come on"
they walk toward each other, hands come up a bit, tek pushes arod in the face.
brawl
YankyDave
07-24-04, 05:31 PM
It appeared that Arroyo said something because the ARod said "f you" as if it was a response. Then Tek said something and ARod repeated his quote. Then Tek said something else, I assume some sort of threat because ARod said "come on". They didn't show what Arroyo said and Tek was (ahem) wearing his mask so you couldn't see what he said.
yankeegeek
07-24-04, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by Red Sox Fan824
I'm hoping otherwise. Storms in nature exist to solve imbalances. You could say that this Red Sox team was imbalanced. Maybe this brawl - a storm - will wake up the team and create some unity, as the FOX announcers said. Everyone is writing this team off as a huge disappointment. Guess what - it isn't over yet. No, I'm not saying Boston will win the division. I'm hoping for the Wild Card, but who knows. But I am saying that this team will more than likely finish 10 games or less back of the Yankees. I hope we have yet to see the best.
The brawl did NOTHING to wake the stinkin' Sux! We have hit them like we always love to. At this point the Sux have to think about not falling to the D-Rays!:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
CalYankeeFan
07-24-04, 05:34 PM
ESPN Radio also says Arroyo used an "obscene gesture" toward A-Rod. The Yankees are probably going to win the game...that would be the ultimate revenge...
MaineSoxFan
07-24-04, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by Holdstrong
It appeared that arod started to say something to arroyo after staring him down (not suree if arroyo was talking), then tek did his job by following him down the line putting himself between arod and arroyo.... but the video clearing shows teks head moving. So he is jawing pretty hard. Arod stops says f-u twice..... i assume to tek, but maybe not.... then looks right at tek and appears to say "come on"
they walk toward each other, hands come up a bit, tek pushes arod in the face.
brawl
I think this is pretty accurate.
MaineSoxFan
07-24-04, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by CalYankeeFan
ESPN Radio also says Arroyo used an "obscene gesture" toward A-Rod. The Yankees are probably going to win the game...that would be the ultimate revenge...
They didn't show anything like that or say anything about it on TV or the radio cast I was listening to. But I am sure words were exchanged. There were no innocents.
nhyankeefan
07-24-04, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by cubswin
Can anybody who saw it provide some insights?
The game thread is too full of riled up folks for their posts to be useful. Some say ARod mouthed at tek, some say other way around, some say Arroyo said something to Arod, etc...
This is kiilling me not being able to watch the game!
ARod, Varitek and Arroyo were all mouthing off when, according to McCarver, ARod said Let's go to Varitek who then pushed him in the face. They wrestled for a little bit then both teams joined in.
A scary moment happended when Sturze grabbed Kapler around the neck to wrestle him away from the scrum when Ortiz joined in and they wrestled Sturze to the ground. Ortiz took a wild swing and missed him - if he connected Sturze would have been knocked out.
Carissa
07-24-04, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by Holdstrong
It appeared that arod started to say something to arroyo after staring him down (not suree if arroyo was talking), then tek did his job by following him down the line putting himself between arod and arroyo.... but the video clearing shows teks head moving. So he is jawing pretty hard. Arod stops says f-u twice..... i assume to tek, but maybe not.... then looks right at tek and appears to say "come on"
they walk toward each other, hands come up a bit, tek pushes arod in the face.
brawl I think A-Rod said f-u a bit more than twice. ;)
From what I saw, A-Rod got hit, looked at Arroyo, Varitek shadowed him, then IMO, it looks like Varitek said something to A-Rod first, the F-bombs from A-Rod followed, followed by a FUMF, then Varitek, with mask still on, pushed A-Rod in the face. Then the brawl ensued.
I never saw Arroyo's reaction to either hitting A-Rod or afterwards. I can't say one way or another whether or not he made an obscene gesture or if he said something to A-Rod or if A-Rod said something to him. I'm not saying either one didn't but it didn't look like to me that A-Rod said anything to Arroyo first.
I have no idea why Sturtze went after anyone. I thought that was incredibly stupid. I also didn't think that Ortiz "took a swing" at anyone, like the FOX guys were saying. It looks to me like he was trying to break up the Kapler-Sturtze thing. When he went to grab at one of them, a Boston coach (I don't know who) went to grab Ortiz, and he kind of missed and one of his arms went swinging. I truly believe that he wasn't taking a swing at anyone. I hope MLB sees it that way too.
That's all my opinion. :D
Holdstrong
07-24-04, 05:56 PM
I thought it was pretty clear as day that Ortiz took a swing at Sturtze as he went down.
nhyankeefan
07-24-04, 06:10 PM
One more thing about the fight, Varitek led with his glove right to ARod's face. ARrod couldn't see a thing and he was fighting a guy wearing a mask and catcher's gear. I've always thought Varitek was dirty, but this takes the cake.
This is turning into another instant classic. I don't know if both teams won't give up or if their bullpens are that bad. Probably the latter.
Carissa
07-24-04, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by Holdstrong
I thought it was pretty clear as day that Ortiz took a swing at Sturtze as he went down. I disagree. But like I said, that was my view of what went down.
GoBernie
07-24-04, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by Holdstrong
I thought it was pretty clear as day that Ortiz took a swing at Sturtze as he went down.
I agree. IMO he was in on the fight, not trying to break anything up.
scull567
07-24-04, 06:29 PM
I cant imagine Derek Jeter mouthing off the catcher or pitcher if he was hit in that same situation, in fact ... neither could imagine Nomar.
StaceyRosie
07-24-04, 06:35 PM
I think it's pretty tasteless of Fox to have the ARod/Varitek fight as a choice for play of the game.
nhyankeefan
07-24-04, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by StaceyRosie
I think it's pretty tasteless of Fox to have the ARod/Varitek fight as a choice for play of the game.
I agree, they hype this rivalry more than anyone. I guess it get's them good ratings.
YankyDave
07-24-04, 06:45 PM
I thought at first that Shrek was trying to get into the fight but in the longer tape shown, it shows him trying to pull Sturtze by his pants and not trying to swing at him.
PippyPinstripes
07-24-04, 06:49 PM
I was hoping Scooter the talking baseball would come in and get the crap beaten out of him to illustrate to the kiddies how a brawl works.
YankyDave
07-24-04, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by PippyPinstripes
I was hoping Scooter the talking baseball would come in and get the crap beaten out of him to illustrate to the kiddies how a brawl works.
:D
MaineSoxFan
07-24-04, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by PippyPinstripes
I was hoping Scooter the talking baseball would come in and get the crap beaten out of him to illustrate to the kiddies how a brawl works.
Now that would be worthwhile. Especially if they had to then put Scooter on the DL.
StaceyRosie
07-24-04, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by MaineSoxFan
Now that would be worthwhile. Especially if they had to then put Scooter on the DL.
At least we can agree on something.
ring403
07-24-04, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by PippyPinstripes
I was hoping Scooter the talking baseball would come in and get the crap beaten out of him to illustrate to the kiddies how a brawl works. :lol:
BruceCampbellKG7
07-24-04, 07:35 PM
Its a shame that these things even happen
MaineSoxFan
07-24-04, 07:36 PM
I just can't believe that Mendoza pitched two meaningful scoreless innings.
yeah yeah yeah.. keep talking Sox fans. enjoy this one while it lasts.
you get on your knees and go to work when they win, but before today the season was over.. a fire sale coming.. trade nomar.. fire tito.. i hate kevin millar.. blah blah blah..
it's 1 win. that's it.
MaineSoxFan
07-24-04, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by r0ka
yeah yeah yeah.. keep talking Sox fans. enjoy this one while it lasts.
you get on your knees and go to work when they win, but before today the season was over.. a fire sale coming.. trade nomar.. fire tito.. i hate kevin millar.. blah blah blah..
it's 1 win. that's it.
Wow, that came out of nowhere. Are you responding to someone in particular or was it my comment about Mendoza. I didn't think anyone was talking about the win.
PippyPinstripes
07-24-04, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by r0ka
yeah yeah yeah.. keep talking Sox fans. enjoy this one while it lasts.
you get on your knees and go to work when they win, but before today the season was over.. a fire sale coming.. trade nomar.. fire tito.. i hate kevin millar.. blah blah blah..
it's 1 win. that's it.
1 win in which they had to injure our starter and score 11 runs to win. I wouldn't be all that proud of that.
Luciano
07-24-04, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by YankyDave
I thought at first that Shrek was trying to get into the fight but in the longer tape shown, it shows him trying to pull Sturtze by his pants and not trying to swing at him.
He was also warding off Flash, although I'm not sure if it was because he didn't want the mess to get bigger or because he didn't want Flash helping out Sturtze.
RhodeyYankee2638
07-24-04, 07:46 PM
I was hoping Kapler and Ortiz would beat the living hell out of WOTS, cause maybe then we could get a starter capable of throwing balls over the plate.
YeboManny
07-24-04, 08:34 PM
Arod got beat up
StaceyRosie
07-24-04, 08:35 PM
Originally posted by YeboManny
Arod got beat up
By someone with the tools of ingorance on.
RhodeyYankee2638
07-24-04, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by YeboManny
Arod got beat up
The most astounding, prolific and important response ever to be told on this board. Thank you for making me a better person, thank you.
Bosox Guy in Chitown
07-24-04, 08:36 PM
I was pissing and moaning all day b/c I couldn't get the game here in Chicago (my DirecTv was showing the cubbies on Fox). But now I am happy I missed it.
I hate brawls, and I hate how they touch off the mindless diatribes that have popped up here and several other Yankees and Sox boards. Hopefully Sunday's game is quiet. Neither teams needs any more suspensions or, worse, injuries.
I love baseball. I hate brawls.
patrick.o
07-24-04, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by Holdstrong
I thought it was pretty clear as day that Ortiz took a swing at Sturtze as he went down.
I was back and forth on that. At first I thought Ortiz was just trying to get Sturtze off Kapler. Then after one particular replay I thought that Ortiz had taken a swing at Sturtze but missed. Then after a different replay it looked like his arm just got knocked while already in motion making it look like he took a swing when he really didn't.
I guess only David knows for sure.
YANKEE MAGIC
07-24-04, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by r0ka
yeah yeah yeah.. keep talking Sox fans. enjoy this one while it lasts.
you get on your knees and go to work when they win, but before today the season was over.. a fire sale coming.. trade nomar.. fire tito.. i hate kevin millar.. blah blah blah..
it's 1 win. that's it.
:lol: yep...
stevethesoxfan
07-24-04, 11:18 PM
I didn't see the HBP by Arroyo today, but I see a lot of mention here about it being on purpose.
Nobody knows except Tek and Bronson if it was or not. I just wanted to point out -- with the mods' blessing, I hope -- that Arroyo has historically had a hard time when he is not "on" and thus hit batters.
To validate, here are two very brief comments from SOSH:
6-2-04 ...The other thing to note is that his HBP total is so ridiculously high (9) that it largely offsets his very good walk rate...
7-14-04 ...If he could just 1) stop hitting batters and 2) get his HR rate back down to the level he showed last year, he could be an ideal #3 pitcher...
b-ball-lunachick
07-24-04, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by stevethesoxfan
I didn't see the HBP by Arroyo today, but I see a lot of mention here about it being on purpose.
Nobody knows except Tek and Bronson if it was or not. I just wanted to point out -- with the mods' blessing, I hope -- that Arroyo has historically had a hard time when he is not "on" and thus hit batters.
To validate, here are two very brief comments from SOSH:
6-2-04 ...The other thing to note is that his HBP total is so ridiculously high (9) that it largely offsets his very good walk rate...
7-14-04 ...If he could just 1) stop hitting batters and 2) get his HR rate back down to the level he showed last year, he could be an ideal #3 pitcher...
we may not know for sure, but I haven't read one quote where anyone on the Red Sox denied it being intentional...seemed fishy to me:
-- A-Rod gets game-winning hit the night before -- a game they felt they should have won
-- Nomar had gotten hit the night before
-- Arroyo wasn't having control issues -- he hadn't walked a batter all day
-- 2 out, nobody on and the Sox looking about as lifeless as possible against Tanyon Sturtze
maybe you should read the thread on SoSH titled Brawl Game where most of the posters agreed that it was intentional...
cubswin
07-24-04, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by b-ball-lunachick
we may not know for sure, but I haven't read one quote where anyone on the Red Sox denied it being intentional...seemed fishy to me:
-- A-Rod gets game-winning hit the night before -- a game they felt they should have won
-- Nomar had gotten hit the night before
-- Arroyo wasn't having control issues -- he hadn't walked a batter all day
-- 2 out, nobody on and the Sox looking about as lifeless as possible against Tanyon Sturtze
maybe you should read the thread on SoSH titled Brawl Game where most of the posters agreed that it was intentional...
How have they answered that question, then?
Re. control, were his pitches hitting their spots? Wasn't he getting hit? That's often an indication that the pitcher's control is off -- it doesn't have to be walks.
Also, do you really want to hit a guy when you're down 3-0 after losing a huge game the night before and you're just an out away from an easy inning?
I have no idea whether he hit him intentionally or not.
BrokenWings
07-25-04, 12:11 AM
how strong is Tanyon? :eek: I kept watching that replay and when he choked Kapler.. Gabe literally tried his best to break free of it and could NOT BUDGE Sturtze until Ortiz and Trot came to help him..
and also what's Tek thinking of trying to bodyslam Arod? he probably lifted him like an inch off the ground and was like "ohhh crap! too heavy for me" :lol:
much as i liked seeing the Yankees kick some redsox arse, i'd much rather have won the game :P
b-ball-lunachick
07-25-04, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by cubswin
How have they answered that question, then?
Re. control, were his pitches hitting their spots? Wasn't he getting hit? That's often an indication that the pitcher's control is off -- it doesn't have to be walks.
Also, do you really want to hit a guy when you're down 3-0 after losing a huge game the night before and you're just an out away from an easy inning?
I have no idea whether he hit him intentionally or not.
I said I didn't know for sure either...just seemed fishy...
If you read the posts on SoSh, even they admit his control was fine -- he was not getting hit very hard -- the two runs scored in the 2nd were on ground outs..I wouldn't exactly have called the third an easy inning -- Sheff hit into a double play which scored the third run, but erased the other baserunners...maybe he got frustrated...maybe he felt he'd rather face Posada, then A-Rod -- who knows -- all I said was it was fishy and seems many Sox fans agree...
and I still haven't found one quote from Varitek, Arroyo or Francona saying that it wasn't intentional...
Any lawyer will tell you that circumstantial evidence can be more persuasive than direct evidence.
Consequently, Arroyo's pitch to A-Rod can reasonably be inferred to have been intentional.
sugmasterflex
07-25-04, 12:26 AM
Originally posted by Holdstrong
It appeared that arod started to say something to arroyo after staring him down (not suree if arroyo was talking), then tek did his job by following him down the line putting himself between arod and arroyo.... but the video clearing shows teks head moving. So he is jawing pretty hard. Arod stops says f-u twice..... i assume to tek, but maybe not.... then looks right at tek and appears to say "come on"
they walk toward each other, hands come up a bit, tek pushes arod in the face.
brawl
That's pretty accurate. I think Tek mouthing off riled up A-Rod even more.
ann ominous
07-25-04, 12:35 AM
Originally posted by MaineSoxFan
I just can't believe that Mendoza pitched two meaningful scoreless innings.
:lol: you and me both. i was dumbfounded.
cubswin
07-25-04, 12:42 AM
Originally posted by b-ball-lunachick
I said I didn't know for sure either...just seemed fishy...
If you read the posts on SoSh, even they admit his control was fine -- he was not getting hit very hard -- the two runs scored in the 2nd were on ground outs..I wouldn't exactly have called the third an easy inning -- Sheff hit into a double play which scored the third run, but erased the other baserunners...maybe he got frustrated...maybe he felt he'd rather face Posada, then A-Rod -- who knows -- all I said was it was fishy and seems many Sox fans agree...
and I still haven't found one quote from Varitek, Arroyo or Francona saying that it wasn't intentional...
I'm just wondering if they've responded to those ?s at all. And regardless of how the inning went -- sorry I was wrong on that, didn't want to look up the box -- there's a prety strong argument that, down 3-0 in the game, 1-0 in the series and 9.5 in the standings, you don't put a batter on base -- in this case when you might be about to get out an inning relatively unscathed thanks to the DP the batter before -- you don't want to get back into trouble after escaping it.
But, yes, maybe it was intentional. I'm just amused when people "know" what happened (not you, others).
PippyPinstripes
07-25-04, 01:17 AM
Originally posted by Rich
Any lawyer will tell you that circumstantial evidence can be more persuasive than direct evidence.
Consequently, Arroyo's pitch to A-Rod can reasonably be inferred to have been intentional.
That's hot, Rich. :ga-ga:
stevethesoxfan
07-25-04, 01:44 AM
Originally posted by b-ball-lunachick
maybe you should read the thread on SoSH titled Brawl Game where most of the posters agreed that it was intentional...
I just did. Of the 11 people who gave an opinion, 4 thought it was intentional, 7 thought that it was not. How does 4 out of 11 translate into "most of the posters"? Please be accurate if you are going to make a claim like that.
No one knows. :dunno: Of course, as we would expect, our opinions are polar opposites split on party lines:
Yankee fans think Arroyo threw it at him on purpose, ARod "became a Yankee" by not taking any crap, Varitek is a thug for hitting ARod while still masked, and 3 Sox attacked Tanyon, with Ortiz punching him.
Sox fans think Arroyo hits too many batters, this one wasn't on purpose, ARod is a baby for mouthing off after getting hit by a curve on his elbow pad, Tek was protecting his pitcher, Tanyon attacked Kapler by putting a choke hold on him from behind, and Ortiz was trying to pull Tanyon off Kapler. (The only part I disagree with is that Varitek should have dropped the mask first to make it fairer).
stevethesoxfan
07-25-04, 01:50 AM
...let's set up a ring on the pitcher's mound and have a tag team match Sunday: Tanyon the Terrible and ARod the God vs. Vicious Varitek and Gabe "Mr. Olympia" Kapler....:lol:
TANGENT The Sox are giving away height but Kapler is JACKED :eek: His muscles have muscles! He is a very nice, deeply religious guy who is annoyed that people think he is a steroid junkie. I'll never understand why a hitting coach doesn't teach him a more uppercut swing. He would hit a lot more HR if he didn't swing down at the ball. /TANGENT
The next time a Sox pitcher throws at a Yankee player, he needs to go straight to the mound and take the sucker out, and the hell with the consequences. It would stop the BS...
Jersey Yankee
07-25-04, 07:07 AM
Originally posted by Rich
Any lawyer will tell you that circumstantial evidence can be more persuasive than direct evidence.
Consequently, Arroyo's pitch to A-Rod can reasonably be inferred to have been intentional. In what field of law? I think that in criminal law, you have to have the "beyond reasonable doubt" thing, so unless you've got a sh!tload of circumstantial evidence, your case may not be very solid.
As to control, I think that's an issue, but not as much as it's made out to be. Clemens, Pedro and Unit are all HOF-CYA control pitchers, and all have hit lots of guys. However, in their cases, it's been called intentional, and both Clemens and Pedro have been said to hit guys when their control is off.
StatenIslandYankee
07-25-04, 07:11 AM
Originally posted by NYYFAN
The next time a Sox pitcher throws at a Yankee player, he needs to go straight to the mound and take the sucker out, and the hell with the consequences. It would stop the BS... ABSOLUTELY. ROCK HIS !@#$%^ none of these bench clearing things. Go out there jump on him and just start connecting at his face.
FanWithNoName
07-25-04, 08:41 AM
While watching the game, I wasn't convinced that the HBP was intentional. But, I taped it and when I went back to watch it in slow-mo you could see Arroyo grinning at A-Rod just after he hit him when A-Rod was looking at him and before anything was said. The grin said it all for me.
WebsterMulligan
07-25-04, 08:50 AM
Originally posted by NYYFAN
The next time a Sox pitcher throws at a Yankee player, he needs to go straight to the mound and take the sucker out, and the hell with the consequences. It would stop the BS...
100% agreed.
AhhhGuinness
07-25-04, 09:08 AM
Varitek a dirty player because he was still wearing his mask? I don't think that he thought they were actually going to fight (if you call it that) until the moment it happened when A-Rod went on and on with the FU's..
Maybe if A-Rod took off his 50-lb elbow pad first it would have really been a fair fight
cubswin
07-25-04, 09:14 AM
Originally posted by Rich
Any lawyer will tell you that circumstantial evidence can be more persuasive than direct evidence.
Consequently, Arroyo's pitch to A-Rod can reasonably be inferred to have been intentional.
can it be reasonably inferred to have been intentional? sure. However, just like a jury verdict, it could also be mistaken, and it in no way dictates the truth of what actually happened.
scull567
07-25-04, 10:19 AM
I think Vartiek was so caught up in the moment that he didnt realize that he still had the mask on.
Byung-HyunKimCyYoung
07-25-04, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by PippyPinstripes
I was hoping Scooter the talking baseball would come in and get the crap beaten out of him to illustrate to the kiddies how a brawl works.
I think they should have an animated Ortiz come out and eat Scooter and just kill that stupid thing off once and for all.
Byung-HyunKimCyYoung
07-25-04, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by NYYFAN
The next time a Sox pitcher throws at a Yankee player, he needs to go straight to the mound and take the sucker out, and the hell with the consequences. It would stop the BS...
Too bad the Yankee player won't make it half way to the mound before being tackled by Varitek and having their face shoved into the infield turf.
sharoncass
07-25-04, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by Byung-HyunKimCyYoung
Too bad the Yankee player won't make it half way to the mound before being tackled by Varitek and having their face shoved into the infield turf.
You mean the Yankee player will be ganged up on by Varitek (and his mask, glove and chest protector) and five other Red Sox, don't you?....:rolleyes:
Originally posted by Byung-HyunKimCyYoung
Too bad the Yankee player won't make it half way to the mound before being tackled by Varitek and having their face shoved into the infield turf.
The key is not to hesitate, but charge. The fat guy would be left behind...
Actually the key is to go all Izzy Alcantara on him and give him a thrust kick than charge the mound
Byung-HyunKimCyYoung
07-25-04, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by DrNick
Actually the key is to go all Izzy Alcantara on him and give him a thrust kick than charge the mound
It's cool that kicking someone in the abdomen is now referred to as "Izzy Alcantara"ing. Izzy will live forever in infamy.
YANKEE MAGIC
07-25-04, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by NYYFAN
The next time a Sox pitcher throws at a Yankee player, he needs to go straight to the mound and take the sucker out, and the hell with the consequences. It would stop the BS...
I say the next Yankee hit by a Sox pitcher should just take his base...the next Yankee batter should just "Accidently" let his bat fly at the pitcher...whoops..
KingMouse
07-25-04, 12:25 PM
Just want to register my disgust with the fools on this board that actually think varitek was being "dirty" by keeping his mask on. I'm sure that was the first thought on his mind. In fact, it was kind of thoughtless of him not to notify ESPN ahead of time, so they could televise it. They could have made money off that, if only tek hadn't been so dirty and selfish. In reality, ARod should have been hit harder. Here you are, down 3 runs in the 3rd, playing against your rival team. You are not going to intentionally hit anyone. Arroyo has more hit batsmen than any other MLB pitcher, I believe. Arod starts shouting at this kid trying to pitch a good game, and varitek tells him to take his base. We all saw what happened next. Sometimes, you just have to shut your mouth and admit that your 3rd baseman let his monstrous ego get in the way of his sportsmanship.
Rivera looked fantastic, by the way.
RhodeyYankee2638
07-25-04, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by KingMouse
Just want to register my disgust with the fools on this board that actually think varitek was being "dirty" by keeping his mask on. I'm sure that was the first thought on his mind. In fact, it was kind of thoughtless of him not to notify ESPN ahead of time, so they could televise it. They could have made money off that, if only tek hadn't been so dirty and selfish. In reality, ARod should have been hit harder. Here you are, down 3 runs in the 3rd, playing against your rival team. You are not going to intentionally hit anyone. Arroyo has more hit batsmen than any other MLB pitcher, I believe. Arod starts shouting at this kid trying to pitch a good game, and varitek tells him to take his base. We all saw what happened next. Sometimes, you just have to shut your mouth and admit that your 3rd baseman let his monstrous ego get in the way of his sportsmanship.
Rivera looked fantastic, by the way.
A very mature post, I must say
YANKEE MAGIC
07-25-04, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by KingMouse
Just want to register my disgust with the fools on this board that actually think varitek was being "dirty" by keeping his mask on. I'm sure that was the first thought on his mind. In fact, it was kind of thoughtless of him not to notify ESPN ahead of time, so they could televise it. They could have made money off that, if only tek hadn't been so dirty and selfish. In reality, ARod should have been hit harder. Here you are, down 3 runs in the 3rd, playing against your rival team. You are not going to intentionally hit anyone. Arroyo has more hit batsmen than any other MLB pitcher, I believe. Arod starts shouting at this kid trying to pitch a good game, and varitek tells him to take his base. We all saw what happened next. Sometimes, you just have to shut your mouth and admit that your 3rd baseman let his monstrous ego get in the way of his sportsmanship.
Rivera looked fantastic, by the way.
Not nice to call people "fools"
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StaceyRosie
07-25-04, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by KingMouse
Rivera looked fantastic, by the way.
And Foulke has looked fantastic lately also.
YANKEE MAGIC
07-25-04, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by StaceyRosie
And Foulke has looked fantastic lately also.
Yeah and Schilling was a real "Hit" :lol:
Jersey Yankee
07-25-04, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by KingMouse
Just want to register my disgust with the fools on this board that actually think varitek was being "dirty" by keeping his mask on. I'm sure that was the first thought on his mind. In fact, it was kind of thoughtless of him not to notify ESPN ahead of time, so they could televise it. They could have made money off that, if only tek hadn't been so dirty and selfish. In reality, ARod should have been hit harder. Here you are, down 3 runs in the 3rd, playing against your rival team. You are not going to intentionally hit anyone. Arroyo has more hit batsmen than any other MLB pitcher, I believe. Arod starts shouting at this kid trying to pitch a good game, and varitek tells him to take his base. We all saw what happened next. Sometimes, you just have to shut your mouth and admit that your 3rd baseman let his monstrous ego get in the way of his sportsmanship.
Rivera looked fantastic, by the way. Nice knowing you. :)
Come on people, don't feed the trolls.
Jersey Yankee
07-25-04, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by Jim F.
Come on people, don't feed the trolls. Check out the one calling people here "fools" and his/her/its comments about A-Rod. Don't look like CS have been withheld.
Originally posted by Jersey Yankee
Check out the one calling people here "fools" and his/her/its comments about A-Rod. Don't look like CS have been withheld. Who is? Which post?
YANKEE MAGIC
07-25-04, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by Jim F.
Who is? Which post?
Originally posted by KingMouse
Just want to register my disgust with the fools on this board that actually think varitek was being "dirty" by keeping his mask on. I'm sure that was the first thought on his mind. In fact, it was kind of thoughtless of him not to notify ESPN ahead of time, so they could televise it. They could have made money off that, if only tek hadn't been so dirty and selfish. In reality, ARod should have been hit harder. Here you are, down 3 runs in the 3rd, playing against your rival team. You are not going to intentionally hit anyone. Arroyo has more hit batsmen than any other MLB pitcher, I believe. Arod starts shouting at this kid trying to pitch a good game, and varitek tells him to take his base. We all saw what happened next. Sometimes, you just have to shut your mouth and admit that your 3rd baseman let his monstrous ego get in the way of his sportsmanship.
Rivera looked fantastic, by the way.
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StaceyRosie
07-25-04, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by Jim F.
Who is? Which post?
Scroll up until you get to the username King Mouse.
And I've already reported another post earlier today.
patrick.o
07-25-04, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by Jim F.
Who is? Which post?
:lol:
and don't call me Shirley!
Originally posted by StaceyRosie
Scroll up until you get to the username King Mouse.
And I've already reported another post earlier today. And when you get to that username, look at his membership status. Same thing with the other post you reported.
I thought you guys were saying there was something we hadn't taken care of already.
-jim
StaceyRosie
07-25-04, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by b-ball-lunachick on the "The Fight" thread in the Inside the Yankees Forum
gotta love Curt's response -- ONLY blames Lofton and Sturtze with no blame for anyone on his team, not even Tek...love how he explains doing whatever it takes to make sure Tek doesn't go to the ground -- yup, he may not have punched or scratched, but he grabbed for the head instead of the jersey...this guy has ZERO credibility...
http://p086.ezboard.com/fsonsofsamh...rt=101&stop=109
Thought this should be posted here since Curt likes to visit this forum.
Come here Curt. Explain yourself to us as well.
StaceyRosie
07-25-04, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by StaceyRosie
Scroll up until you get to the username King Mouse.
And I've already reported another post earlier today.
I saw the other one was evaporated. Nicely done :)
ETA: I have to edit my ignore list again!
PippyPinstripes
07-25-04, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by StaceyRosie
Thought this should be posted here since Curt likes to visit this forum.
Come here Curt. Explain yourself to us as well.
He won't. Pie in the face, etc.
b-ball-lunachick
07-25-04, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by StaceyRosie
Thought this should be posted here since Curt likes to visit this forum.
Come here Curt. Explain yourself to us as well.
yes, I'd like to specifically know the following:
1) does he agree that if Tek just walks down the line with A-Rod, there is no brawl
2) what exactly did Lofton do? he must have done something to be ejected and called out, but I'd like to know what it was
3) Sturtze was dead wrong for pulling kapler off the way he did but when it was clear that he was on the ground with Nixon and Ortiz holding him after they got the initial shots in, was it then okay for Kapler to take several other shots when it was 1 against 3?
4)so it's okay for you to help your catcher no matter how that happens? so is that your justification for grabbing A-Rod's head when he clearly wasn't in a position to defend himself -- how about grabbing him by the jersey instead of the head?
ugh, I could go on and on but why bother...this guy lost all credibility with me today...
YANKEE MAGIC
07-25-04, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by PippyPinstripes
He won't. Pie in the face, etc.
:D
b-ball-lunachick
07-25-04, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by StaceyRosie
Thought this should be posted here since Curt likes to visit this forum.
Come here Curt. Explain yourself to us as well.
one more thing -- the only thing that's blatantly obvious is that he can't spell...blatant is not spelled blatent....it will be interesting if one of the many people on SoSH who constantly correct spelling mistakes has the balls to point this out to him...fat chance, they're too busy with his balls every time he posts. ;)
StaceyRosie
07-25-04, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by b-ball-lunachick
one more thing -- the only thing that's blatantly obvious is that he can't spell...blatant is not spelled blatent....it will be interesting if one of the many people on SoSH who constantly correct spelling mistakes has the balls to point this out to him...fat chance, they're too busy with his balls every time he posts. ;)
Balls what balls? Varitek was trying to steal A Rod's bulls in the skirmish yesterday. He probably wanted to give them to Schilling.
YANKEE MAGIC
07-25-04, 01:52 PM
StaceyRosie and Pippy...you 2 are on fire today, making me laugh my A@# off!
StaceyRosie
07-25-04, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by YANKEE MAGIC
StaceyRosie and Pippy...you 2 are on fire today, making me laugh my A@# off!
You're welcome ;)
YANKEE MAGIC
07-25-04, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by StaceyRosie
You're welcome ;)
:D
PippyPinstripes
07-25-04, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by YANKEE MAGIC
StaceyRosie and Pippy...you 2 are on fire today, making me laugh my A@# off!
Good, cause you don't have any reason to cry. Still a sweet 9 games up, baby ;)
YANKEE MAGIC
07-25-04, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by PippyPinstripes
Good, cause you don't have any reason to cry. Still a sweet 9 games up, baby ;)
Well I am not worried but you and SR have made my day.
PippyPinstripes
07-25-04, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by YANKEE MAGIC
Well I am not worried but you and SR have made my day.
That's nothin, you should see us naked. Oy Vey!
YANKEE MAGIC
07-25-04, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by PippyPinstripes
That's nothin, you should see us naked. Oy Vey!
:smokin:
sharoncass
07-25-04, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by YANKEE MAGIC
Not nice to call people "fools"
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