View Full Version : Wakefield's lousy season gets worse - Sox in trouble
pauliewalnuts2001
07-18-04, 12:20 AM
Wakefield has just 3 wins in his last 15 appearances, dating back to April 21.
Over that stretch of 15 appearances, he's pitched to a 4.64 ERA.
Wakefield has just 1 win in his last 11 appearances, dating back to May 23.
Over that stretch of 11 appearances, he's pitching to a 5.25 ERA.
Over his last 7 appearances, he's pitching to a 5.76 ERA.
The Red Sox have won just 2 of Wakefield's last 10 starts.
Derek Lowe is already having a horrid season and now Wakefield is quickly turning sour. As of this evening (July 17), there are 4 teams in a virtual tie for the wildcard spot - Oakland, Anaheim, Minnesota, and Boston. The Red Sox are 34-and-34 since April 29. If the Red Sox dont do any better than 4-and-4 over their next 8 games, I can see real panic setting in and desperate measures taken by Epstein at the trading deadline. This is going to be a very entertaining couple of weeks.
Freeway96
07-18-04, 12:24 AM
hi, how you doing? :) forget statistics.. forget numbers.. they don't tell you the real story
when was the last time the Yankees won against Tim Wakefield? (forget the solo hr booney hit last year)
-.- Wakefield is the one person who can quite possibly be dubbed.. The Yankee Killer
Wakefield is wishing he could always pitch against the Yankees. He just kills us every...single...time.
Originally posted by Freeway96
hi, how you doing? :) forget statistics.. forget numbers.. they don't tell you the real story
when was the last time the Yankees won against Tim Wakefield? (forget the solo hr booney hit last year)
-.- Wakefield is the one person who can quite possibly be dubbed.. The Yankee Killer Edgar Martinez is in the running for that award too.
pauliewalnuts2001
07-18-04, 12:34 AM
Freeway, the way the Red Sox are going right now, the Yankees are the least of their worries. They can have all the so-called "Yankees killers" they want, what good are they against the Yankees if those killers are playing on an Aruba golf course in October. Right now, the Red Sox should be worrying about the wildcard. In reality, there are 6 teams in that wildcard fight - White Sox, Twins, Angels, A's, Rangers, and the Red Sox. By going 34-and-34 in since April 29, Red Sox have already played .500 baseball for 40% of a 162 game schedule. The Rangers look like they are in the fight for the long haul and the Angels are coming on very strong as was predicted all year long. Right now, the Red Sox arent good enough to finish ahead of either of those two teams. Sox are in big trouble here.
Jersey Yankee
07-18-04, 12:35 AM
Originally posted by Serge
Wakefield is wishing he could always pitch against the Yankees. He just kills us every...single...time. Yanks simply *CANNOT* hit any pitchers who don't throw regular pitches. Hi ERA, junkball, off-speed, anything non-standard, and guys they've never seen before, are an instant recipe f/Yanks swinging away like girl scouts.
Exhibit A: Mike Maroth.
JavyVazquezIsSick
07-18-04, 12:39 AM
Originally posted by Freeway96
hi, how you doing? :) forget statistics.. forget numbers.. they don't tell you the real story
when was the last time the Yankees won against Tim Wakefield? (forget the solo hr booney hit last year)
-.- Wakefield is the one person who can quite possibly be dubbed.. The Yankee Killer
What does the Yankee's failure to hit Wakefield have to do with his overall pitching performane this year?
pauliewalnuts2001
07-18-04, 12:40 AM
Originally posted by Jersey Yankee
.... are an instant recipe f/Yanks swinging away like girl scouts.
:lol: !!ROTFLMAO!! :lol:
And you know, you are so right too. The Yankees offense has been victimized by rookies and other irregulars 5 or 6 years now, probably longer too but I certainly began noticing it in 1998 when the greatest team in baseball history looked foolish sometimes against the newest and strangest of pitchers.
WakefieldsKnuckler49
07-18-04, 03:40 AM
Originally posted by pauliewalnuts2001
Freeway, the way the Red Sox are going right now, the Yankees are the least of their worries. They can have all the so-called "Yankees killers" they want, what good are they against the Yankees if those killers are playing on an Aruba golf course in October. Right now, the Red Sox should be worrying about the wildcard. In reality, there are 6 teams in that wildcard fight - White Sox, Twins, Angels, A's, Rangers, and the Red Sox. By going 34-and-34 in since April 29, Red Sox have already played .500 baseball for 40% of a 162 game schedule. The Rangers look like they are in the fight for the long haul and the Angels are coming on very strong as was predicted all year long. Right now, the Red Sox arent good enough to finish ahead of either of those two teams. Sox are in big trouble here.
Don't say the Red Sox aren't good enough. The Red Sox have more talent then those teams you listed. They have just underacheived. They are bound to turn it around at some point and I think they are a safe bet for at least the wild card.
And I didn't think Wakefields year was that bad..his ERA coming into the game was 4.17, better than any Yankee other than Vazquez and Brown.
Jersey Yankee
07-18-04, 03:54 AM
Originally posted by pauliewalnuts2001
:lol: !!ROTFLMAO!! :lol:
And you know, you are so right too. The Yankees offense has been victimized by rookies and other irregulars 5 or 6 years now, probably longer too but I certainly began noticing it in 1998 when the greatest team in baseball history looked foolish sometimes against the newest and strangest of pitchers. The Yanks should go out and hire themselves a junkballer from the farm who could never make it in the bigs, and have him pich DP on those days when the strange pitchers are up. I'm quite serious about this.
If you're not going to hit the guy anyway, anything over the fence was grooved. At least take practice hitting against the impossible to hit guys make work better, since that's why you'd be facing that game.
I heard of one MLB player who'd had a southpaw pitch to him during BP, just so he could hit lefties.
parkerstrong
07-18-04, 06:48 AM
I am a Yankee fan and I only worry when Pedro and Schilling pitch for Boston. I think the other 3 guys are beatable. Wakefield's record is 5-6, Lowe is 7-9, and Arroyo is 3-7. I am scared of Wakefield when he pitches against the Yankees, but teams like Texas do well against him. He is a 4th starter against the Al, and "ace" against the Yankees.
Pedro is 10-3, and Schiling is 11-4.The Red Sox are in 6 team race for the AL Central, AL West, and the AL wildcard. All 6 teams right now are within 4 games of each other. It could be very tought for Boston to make the playoffs, but I STILL expect them to be there. I am glad that the Yankees will have home-field advantage, I think that is huge (it was last year).
deranged2005
07-18-04, 10:35 AM
The Red Sox are 23-29 when someone other than Pedro and Schilling start.
YANKEE MAGIC
07-18-04, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by WakefieldsKnuckler49
Don't say the Red Sox aren't good enough. The Red Sox have more talent then those teams you listed. They have just underacheived. They are bound to turn it around at some point and I think they are a safe bet for at least the wild card.
And I didn't think Wakefields year was that bad..his ERA coming into the game was 4.17, better than any Yankee other than Vazquez and Brown.
The Sox have been underacheiving since 1918:D
RhodeyYankee2638
07-18-04, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by YANKEE MAGIC
The Sox have been underacheiving since 1918:D
Although that sounds pretty mean, its sadly true. There has been an endless amount of talent that has passed through the Red Sox franchise, and they always show up short.
WebsterMulligan
07-18-04, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by YANKEE MAGIC
The Sox have been underacheiving since 1918:D
They had some great chances to break the curse. All their series appearances since 1918, have been lost in 7 games.
RedGlare
07-18-04, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by RhodeyYankee2638
Although that sounds pretty mean, its sadly true. There has been an endless amount of talent that has passed through the Red Sox franchise, and they always show up short. And sooner or later you have to look at the big picture and ask if a team has really underachieved or was just playing up to their potential. I think that the 04 Sox will be a perfect example of this.
YankeeFan1
07-18-04, 11:21 AM
I'd be happier if the Yankees could figure out how to hit Wakefield.
JeffWeaverFan
07-18-04, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by deranged2005
The Red Sox are 23-29 when someone other than Pedro and Schilling start.
And therein lies their problem... The Yankees have gotta start hitting him though.
Freeway96
07-18-04, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by Jersey Yankee
Yanks simply *CANNOT* hit any pitchers who don't throw regular pitches. Hi ERA, junkball, off-speed, anything non-standard, and guys they've never seen before, are an instant recipe f/Yanks swinging away like girl scouts.
Exhibit A: Mike Maroth.
:lol: reminds me of Sheff's classic quote as to his early season struggles :) "The pitchers just aren't good enough to challenge me!"
:P so it's almost as if he gets bored with his at bats, lol
... after being hit in the shoulder by that Molina line drive that Nomar caught for an out.
http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/bos/news/bos_news.jsp?ymd=20040718&content_id=802774&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp
I hope he's OK, but I also hope he stays on schedule to miss the next Yankee series! :o :eek: ;)
RhodeyYankee2638
07-18-04, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by -tz
... after being hit in the shoulder by that Molina line drive that Nomar caught for an out.
http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/bos/news/bos_news.jsp?ymd=20040718&content_id=802774&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp
I hope he's OK, but I also hope he stays on schedule to miss the next Yankee series! :o :eek: ;)
I hope he is OK too, always one of my favorite players, a class act. But I hope he skips his start against New York, considering we are facing Schilling that series as well
You know, it's not a given that they make the post-season. This was an important series, wild-card wise. They need to get some kind of win streak going.
MaineSoxFan
07-18-04, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by ACPS
You know, it's not a given that they make the post-season. This was an important series, wild-card wise. They need to get some kind of win streak going.
Going into it I figured to be pretty happy to win 2 of the 4. I figure on the road against a tough team, if you can play them even that is pretty good.
Yankeeah
07-18-04, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by WakefieldsKnuckler49
Don't say the Red Sox aren't good enough. The Red Sox have more talent then those teams you listed. They have just underacheived. They are bound to turn it around at some point and I think they are a safe bet for at least the wild card.
The Red Sox are 37-34 since April 25th. Thats 71 games, which is 43% of the season. So they have really been playing .500 for almost half the season. Thats not underacheiving, thats just playing bad baseball. Underacheving doesn't last that long.
MaineSoxFan
07-18-04, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by Yankeeah
The Red Sox are 37-34 since April 25th. Thats 71 games, which is 43% of the season. So they have really been playing .500 for almost half the season. Thats not underacheiving, thats just playing bad baseball. Underacheving doesn't last that long.
What's the time limit on underachieving? I was always under the impression you could underachieve for a full season or career. I am also not sure that playing bad baseball and underachieving are mutually exclusive, indeed I believe that quite often they go together.
Doc's Private Stash
07-18-04, 01:03 PM
Wakefield actually hasn't been nearly as bad as those numbers suggest. He went through a stretch of 5 games where he got his hat handed to him in 4 of the 5, but other than that this season he's been everything the Sox could ask of him. He started out the year on a tear, and logged an ERA of 3.21 over his first 10 starts before that rough patch. And going into his start last night he had given up 1 ER over his last 21 innings (3 starts). He's supposed to be a #4 starter, and as that he's been extremely solid. Arroyo's also been very solid, despite the crappy record. Out of the 5 slot he's pitched to a 4.09 ERA and hasn't given up more than 3 runs in any of his last 6 starts (averaging 6 1/3 innings/start). His record is the result of him getting something like a 3.4 clip of run support. Lowe has been the black hole for us, and admittedly we have a LOT riding on him getting his head together over the second half.
On the whole the Sox really aren't sitting that badly right now, actually. Give the talent on the Sox roster, we've played one of the most painfully inconsistant seasons of baseball in recorded history, but despite that we're still tied for the Wild Card lead. And as of July 21st we play a much easier stretch of schedule over the next month: Baltimore, Tampa, Toronto, and Detroit. If they still haven't put it together by the end of that run, then we can start taking these "The Red Sox are done" threads seriously, but as it is Boston's still very much in the thick of things. And I wouldn't hold my breath for any reactionary moves by Theo either, unless it's to keep RJ out of the Bronx.
ChewieTobbacca
07-18-04, 02:38 PM
Well for one reason or another, his knuckleball dances a lot more versus the Yankees it seems.
As a knuckleballer myself, I will say that last night's game against the Angels didn't look like he was throwing the ball well. There was some top spin on the ball and it wasn't moving as I have seen him against the Yankees. It was just sinking and dropping.
Who knows though, but like all other knucklers, it's very inconsistent.... until you face the Yankees.
YankeePride1967
07-18-04, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by WakefieldsKnuckler49
Don't say the Red Sox aren't good enough. The Red Sox have more talent then those teams you listed. They have just underacheived. They are bound to turn it around at some point and I think they are a safe bet for at least the wild card.
And I didn't think Wakefields year was that bad..his ERA coming into the game was 4.17, better than any Yankee other than Vazquez and Brown.
The list of talented teams that underperform and never recover is a long one. I'm not saying Boston will be one of them, but it can't be discounted totally.
Yet he absolutely kills the Yanks. He's worth every penny he gets for the Red Sox even if he can't win a game against any other team. Seriously... frustrating.
Originally posted by Doc's Private Stash
Wakefield actually hasn't been nearly as bad as those numbers suggest. He went through a stretch of 5 games where he got his hat handed to him in 4 of the 5, but other than that this season he's been everything the Sox could ask of him.
Is "getting your hat handed to you" the lesser version of "getting your head handed to you"?
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