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YankeeFan1
07-15-04, 01:45 PM
I just read a Washington Post article which suggests that Lee Mazzilli has lost the clubhouse, is estranged from his coaches and has been heavily criticized by Angelos. Angelos has some nerve after being only being willing to sign Ponson. Lee may be fired at the end of the season. The guy must be under some serious stress. Here is link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50431-2004Jul14.html
ForceFive
07-15-04, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by YankeeFan1
I just read a Washington Post article which suggests that Lee Mazzilli has lost the clubhouse, is estranged from his coaches and has been heavily criticized by Angelos. Angelos has some nerve after being only being willing to sign Ponson. Lee may be fired at the end of the season. The guy must be under some serious stress. Here is link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50431-2004Jul14.html
That sucks. I always liked Mazzilli and I wish he never left the Yanks (and I actually would have loved to see him become the one who followed Torre as manager, regardless of how it's gone in Baltimore).
caroline331
07-15-04, 01:52 PM
at the beginning of the season, the orioles were in 1st place.
I do like watching them and their small ball, and stolen bases.
But their pitching staff is terrible. That is not Mazilli's fault
mitch300
07-15-04, 01:57 PM
I heard on the Tony Bruno show this am that the Orioles might try to void Ponsons contract due to him being over weight.
NelsonMuntz
07-15-04, 02:02 PM
It amazes me that anyone in that organization thought they would finish in any place but last with a pitching staff that features Sidney Ponson as the ace, supported by the 2003 Bowie Baysox rotation.
DaPip1998
07-15-04, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by YankeeFan1
I just read a Washington Post article which suggests that Lee Mazzilli has lost the clubhouse, is estranged from his coaches and has been heavily criticized by Angelos. Angelos has some nerve after being only being willing to sign Ponson. Lee may be fired at the end of the season. The guy must be under some serious stress. Here is link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50431-2004Jul14.html
I heard Ken Singleton on ESPN radio yesterday-he said that Maz couldn't pick his own coaches, and most of them are holdovers from Hargrove's regime.
It sound like Angelos is still stuck in his late 90's "rotisserie baseball mode"-getting Lopez, Raffy and Miggy is nice, but worthless w/o any pitching. Maybe he's just too busy deciding how much to bilk MLB for to move the Expos to DC.
Carissa
07-15-04, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by YankeeFan1
I just read a Washington Post article which suggests that Lee Mazzilli has lost the clubhouse, is estranged from his coaches and has been heavily criticized by Angelos. Angelos has some nerve after being only being willing to sign Ponson. Lee may be fired at the end of the season. The guy must be under some serious stress. Here is link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50431-2004Jul14.html They were never "his" coaches. Lee wasn't allowed to choose his own coaches.
The article makes it sound as if the pitching change "mistakes" were Mazzilli's fault, but they read more like sabotage. How do you forget to warm a relief pitcher?
NelsonMuntz
07-15-04, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by DaPip1998
It sound like Angelos is still stuck in his late 90's "rotisserie baseball mode"-getting Lopez, Raffy and Miggy is nice, but worthless w/o any pitching. Maybe he's just too busy deciding how much to bilk MLB for to move the Expos to DC.
Exactly. Instead of worrying about losing the 5% of his fan base that comes from DC, he should focus on putting a winning team on the field for the 95% of their fans that actually live in the Baltimore area. Greedy SOB.
Come back to the family, Maz. Screw those losers. :mad:
Winger03
07-15-04, 02:51 PM
This happens all of the time, always with a bad ending. A crappy team with an overbearing owner looks for a coach. The give the job to a first timer (read: inexpensive), give him little power, force him to use coaches who were a holdover from the previous guy, stick him with a AA roster, blame him when they lose 90+ games, and can him at the end of the season.
Didn't the Reds offer Willie the head job a few years ago? He balked when he could not pick his coaches.
They are looking for someone who is desprate for a manager job, and the guy figures "it will be different this time". But it never is.
BruceCampbellKG7
07-15-04, 03:07 PM
Yeah here's his problem:
His team sucks, they're in last place, and his "ace" is the biggest pile of crap in baseball
Tough to go from the Yankees to that joke in Baltimore
YankeeFan1
07-15-04, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by Winger03
This happens all of the time, always with a bad ending. A crappy team with an overbearing owner looks for a coach. The give the job to a first timer (read: inexpensive), give him little power, force him to use coaches who were a holdover from the previous guy, stick him with a AA roster, blame him when they lose 90+ games, and can him at the end of the season.
Didn't the Reds offer Willie the head job a few years ago? He balked when he could not pick his coaches.
They are looking for someone who is desprate for a manager job, and the guy figures "it will be different this time". But it never is. True. The whole "you can't choose your own coaches" angle should have been a clue to Lee. Oh well, at least he can always return to the Bronx.
bakntime
07-15-04, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by Alex
Come back to the family, Maz. Screw those losers. :mad:
That's exactly how I feel.
HoustonSoxFan
07-15-04, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by Alex
Come back to the family, Maz. Screw those losers. :mad:
I have a feeling that he never left the family anyway. What's the Orioles record against the Yankees this year????
ForceFive
07-15-04, 03:54 PM
Originally posted by HoustonSoxFan
I have a feeling that he never left the family anyway. What's the Orioles record against the Yankees this year????
I hope you're kidding.
HoustonSoxFan
07-15-04, 04:00 PM
I highly doubt that Maz is still on the Yankee payroll. But we all definately know that Mendoza still is.... :D
YanksDJ1998
07-15-04, 04:32 PM
Yankees will always have place for you Maz . O's r losers anyways , lose them :mad:
RhodeyYankee2638
07-15-04, 04:35 PM
Mazilli is always welcome back, I've always liked him. Who can blame a guy for living out his dream of managing. I remember they fired their pitching coach earlier this year. WHY????? Do you think a new pitching coach is going to do a better job with the garbage given to him????
Mattpat11
07-15-04, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by Carissa
They were never "his" coaches. Lee wasn't allowed to choose his own coaches. I believe they were also up for the managerial job. That can't sit well with them.
BroadwayBomber55
07-15-04, 05:34 PM
It's not Maz's, Lee Mazzilli's fault that the Baltimore Orioles are in the basement in the AL East.
I blame the whole thing on Peter Angelos, the owner and the staff. I mean, they got the offense from Miguel Tejada, Rafael Palmeiro, and Javy Lopez, but this bonehead didn't help his cause on pitching and defense. I mean, the O's have no pitching, their rotation is inexperienced, Sidney Ponson is terrible, the defense can't catch the ball, and a pathetic farm system.
The offense gives you a lot of runs when fit and firing, but with no defense and pitching to support your offense, you can't win.
Yanks21
07-15-04, 05:42 PM
A couple of weeks ago Angelos pretty much stated that Lee is out at the end of the season. Talk about the royal shaft. You knew he was doomed for failure when Beattie/Flannagan completely neglected the pitching staff this past offseason...
Won't be surprised if Lee is back with the Yankees in some capacity next season. You also know that Big Stein would love to stick it to Angelos...
flymick24
07-15-04, 09:39 PM
lee's world must have been rocked. to go from the yankees to the last place orioles... who would have thought the year would be as bad as it is for him?
We know Maz is better than that. Hopefully things will turn out well for him. Sucks that his first run at a managers job had to be like this. :(
ring403
07-15-04, 10:24 PM
I don't blame Maz for taking the gig. You never know if you'll get the opportunity again. It's just a shame that he ended up working for the worst owner in the sport.
Angelos is a Steinbrenner wannabe who never understood what it takes to run a successful organization: hiring the right people and letting them do their jobs, even in the face of abusive treatment by the owner.
sorigirl
07-15-04, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by krystl
We know Maz is better than that. Hopefully things will turn out well for him. Sucks that his first run at a managers job had to be like this. :(
We definitely do krystl. :)
I always really liked Maz and was sad to see him go, but I was also happy for him because he was getting to live out his dream. Unfortunately it turned into a nightmare. I really feel bad for him, man what an awful situation. Hopefully things will get better. :(
Originally posted by sorigirl
We definitely do krystl. :)
I always really liked Maz and was sad to see him go, but I was also happy for him because he was getting to live out his dream. Unfortunately it turned into a nightmare. I really feel bad for him, man what an awful situation. Hopefully things will get better. :(
Actually, it's not necessarily a bad thing. Part of getting on the managerial wheel in baseball is to have managed before (btw, some call it an old boys network). The next time there is an opening with a team ready to win, Maz may be more likely to get the job. Look how long it took Torre to find the right situation.
RIyankee
07-16-04, 12:12 AM
Originally posted by DaPip1998
I heard Ken Singleton on ESPN radio yesterday-he said that Maz couldn't pick his own coaches, and most of them are holdovers from Hargrove's regime.
It sound like Angelos is still stuck in his late 90's "rotisserie baseball mode"-getting Lopez, Raffy and Miggy is nice, but worthless w/o any pitching. Maybe he's just too busy deciding how much to bilk MLB for to move the Expos to DC.
Agreed. This has been the O's MO. Go get the sluggers and ignore the pitching. Just to add, I thing Tejada is overrated. His career OBP is only .334 and is on pace to strikeout 140 times in 2004.
RIyankee
07-16-04, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by Rich
Actually, it's not necessarily a bad thing. Part of getting on the managerial wheel in baseball is to have managed before (btw, some call it an old boys network). The next time there is an opening with a team ready to win, Maz may be more likely to get the job. Look how long it took Torre to find the right situatation.
Who knows? Mazilli might manage the Yankees when Joe retires. ;)
incarnadine
07-16-04, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by RIyankee
Who knows? Mazilli might manage the Yankees when Joe retires. ;)
I really think that job is going to go to Willie Randolph, a lifelong Yankee.
Poor Maz, in the basement, helping to make Sweet Lou's "We're not going to finish last this year" prediction come true.
Originally posted by JJBNYC
The article makes it sound as if the pitching change "mistakes" were Mazzilli's fault, but they read more like sabotage. How do you forget to warm a relief pitcher?
Ask Joe, he's good at it.:evil:
yanksrule69
07-16-04, 08:48 AM
Originally posted by Rich
Angelos is a Steinbrenner wannabe who never understood what it takes to run a successful organization: hiring the right people and letting them do their jobs, even in the face of abusive treatment by the owner.
Well said. Angelos is inept when it comes to running a successful baseball team as a business.
Sixty one
07-16-04, 10:22 AM
I have a feeling that Lee will land back on his feet somewhere if he is canned by the birds. Who knows maybe it'll be Tampa if Lou ends up witn the Mets next year?:lol: :lol:
Bern Baby Be
07-16-04, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by Winger03
This happens all of the time, always with a bad ending. A crappy team with an overbearing owner looks for a coach. The give the job to a first timer (read: inexpensive), give him little power, force him to use coaches who were a holdover from the previous guy, stick him with a AA roster, blame him when they lose 90+ games, and can him at the end of the season.
Didn't the Reds offer Willie the head job a few years ago? He balked when he could not pick his coaches.
They are looking for someone who is desprate for a manager job, and the guy figures "it will be different this time". But it never is.
You're right, Willie was offered the Reds job, with someone else's coaches. I remember how foolish everyone thought he was, until they found out that was the reason.
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