View Full Version : getting swept by NYY was a blessing
nufced1918
07-11-04, 12:13 PM
The Red Sox getting swept by NYY may have been the best thing for the 2004 Red Sox as they have awoken from their 2 month nap.
I said last week the 9 games before the break could make or break the Sox and they have responded. Hey are not playing for the WC, they think they can catch NYY.
The Randy Johnson situation will be the main focus for the next 3 weeks. George is hellbent to get him and the Sox are likewise going all out to either getting him or making sure he doesn't wind up in the Bronx. I still think Anaheim is where he winds up but nobody knows what the Dbacks want.
I have a hunch the second half may become 1978 like and it will go to the last week. The Yankees
rotation is suspect so the Sox as of now have an edge there. Oston's bats have awoken and can score runs just like NYY.
It is going to be fun.
BruceCampbellKG7
07-11-04, 12:38 PM
that's fine, we'll sweep you every other time we play you then too, if that's what you want
BruceCampbellKG7
07-11-04, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by nufced1918
The Yankees
rotation is suspect
And yours isn't? If you dont think Lowe, Wake, and Arroyo is "suspect" then you need to wake up
nufced1918
07-11-04, 01:23 PM
We doing fine with #1 and #2
However we are looking at nobody else with double digit wins.
But as of today I would give Boston a slight edge in starting.
Originally posted by BruceCampbellKG7
And yours isn't? If you dont think Lowe, Wake, and Arroyo is "suspect" then you need to wake up
Bluesexy's daddy
07-11-04, 01:28 PM
I wish the Sox many more such blessings. Alah be praised.
parkerstrong
07-11-04, 01:29 PM
i thought the yankees sweeping boston could wake them up....but they still stunk in atlanta. if the sweep woke up boston, why did they lose 2 out of 3 against atlanta? after we got swept, we went out and beat the big 3 from oakland. you guys lost in extra innings after getting a lead (again) and foulke blew the save. the reason why you guys are playing well is that boston is at fenway. boston is a different team on the road.(18-23 on the road, 30-14 at home).
Yankee Cowboy
07-11-04, 01:31 PM
It was a blessing when the red sox swept the Yanks in April as well ....it should be a tremendous 2nd half of the season....let see what happens in October
:NY: :NY:
Boston plays well at home, but sucks on the road...lets see them on their next road trip...
YankeeClemens22
07-11-04, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by BruceCampbellKG7
And yours isn't? If you dont think Lowe, Wake, and Arroyo is "suspect" then you need to wake up
Pedro isn't exactly having a career year either.
nufced1918
07-11-04, 03:25 PM
I do agree that the Sox have to improve on the road, big test first 4 after the break in Anaheim.
YanksDJ1998
07-11-04, 03:28 PM
for some reason fenway park ( hitters park ) is red sux best ally . their hitters seem to do well in that hitters park . and yanks play in pitcher friendly park . red sux have a advantage playing in that hitters park .
Originally posted by YanksDJ1998
for some reason fenway park ( hitters park ) is red sux best ally . their hitters seem to do well in that hitters park . and yanks play in pitcher friendly park . red sux have a advantage playing in that hitters park .
Fenway is a haven for righty hitters. Yankee Stadium is great for lefty batters. It's not a pitcher's park.
Eurobomber
07-11-04, 04:17 PM
btw people; the Sox lost 5 - 6 to Texas! Lead back to a confortable 7 :)
MaineSoxFan
07-11-04, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by parkerstrong
i thought the yankees sweeping boston could wake them up....but they still stunk in atlanta. if the sweep woke up boston, why did they lose 2 out of 3 against atlanta? after we got swept, we went out and beat the big 3 from oakland. you guys lost in extra innings after getting a lead (again) and foulke blew the save. the reason why you guys are playing well is that boston is at fenway. boston is a different team on the road.(18-23 on the road, 30-14 at home).
Yep, Boston plays better on the road but winning 2 series against tough teams is very good no matter whether it happens at home or away. Good to see the Sox play well after such a long streak of bad baseball.
That being said, sometime soon I do think the Sox need to pick up another pitcher for the stretch run.
WakefieldsCrewSox
07-11-04, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by BruceCampbellKG7
And yours isn't? If you dont think Lowe, Wake, and Arroyo is "suspect" then you need to wake up
Bronson Arroyo and Tim Wakefield both have a better ERA than every Yankee starter except for Javy Vazquez. Wake is at 3.97 and Arroyo is at 4.09. That is not suspect.
BruceCampbellKG7
07-11-04, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by WakefieldsCrewSox
Bronson Arroyo and Tim Wakefield both have a better ERA than every Yankee starter except for Javy Vazquez. Wake is at 3.97 and Arroyo is at 4.09. That is not suspect.
Well...i praise your confidence if you want any of those two guys pitching in game 7 of a playoff series
MaineSoxFan
07-11-04, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by BruceCampbellKG7
Well...i praise your confidence if you want any of those two guys pitching in game 7 of a playoff series
I don't think Wake was saying that he wants them in that spot, just that they are solid where they are pitching in the rotation. Somehow I think in a game 7 it would be Pedro or Schilling, but unfortunately the whole rotation can't be that good.
Gringaloca
07-11-04, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by MaineSoxFan
I don't think Wake was saying that he wants them in that spot, just that they are solid where they are pitching in the rotation. Somehow I think in a game 7 it would be Pedro or Schilling, but unfortunately the whole rotation can't be that good.
You are absolutely correct MSF. Just as I would not want Contreras, at this point of the year or (dare I say it?).... Mussina..... pitching against the RedSox in Game 7 of the Playoffs...;)
BTW....I do not consider you or WakefieldsCrew as 'trolls'..As I may have referred to 'certain' RSN fans in another post. Both of you have been nothing but articulate, knowledgeable and polite. Just wanted to say that up front...:cool:
MaineSoxFan
07-11-04, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by Gringaloca
BTW....I do not consider you or WakefieldsCrew as 'trolls'..As I may have referred to 'certain' RSN fans in another post. Both of you have been nothing but articulate, knowledgeable and polite. Just wanted to say that up front...:cool:
Trust me, I didn't take it that way (though I appreciate the comment) I have seen some trolls here and don't particularly appreciate them either.
WakefieldsKnuckler49
07-11-04, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by YankeeClemens22
Pedro isn't exactly having a career year either.
But hes still having a better year than any Yankee pitcher, except MAYBE Vazquez.
And the starting pitchers have been great this year, its the defense thats been killing us.
RedGlare
07-11-04, 06:37 PM
getting back in fenway "woke up" the Sox.
They didn't do so hot when they went down to Atlanta right after NY.
They'll stink once they get back on the road.
Originally posted by WakefieldsCrewSox
Bronson Arroyo and Tim Wakefield both have a better ERA than every Yankee starter except for Javy Vazquez. Wake is at 3.97 and Arroyo is at 4.09. That is not suspect. The Sox era's are not terribly reflective of performance because their defensive miscues allow them to give up many "unearned" runs that don't count toward their ERA's.
YankeeClemens22
07-11-04, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by Buzah!
The Sox era's are not terribly reflective of performance because their defensive miscues allow them to give up many "unearned" runs that don't count toward their ERA's.
Exactly. ERA is meaningless if they aren't translating to W's.
And last time I checked, the Yanks have lots of those. A handful more than the red sox.
WakefieldsCrewSox
07-11-04, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by Buzah!
The Sox era's are not terribly reflective of performance because their defensive miscues allow them to give up many "unearned" runs that don't count toward their ERA's.
Yes but thats the whole point of unearned runs. If the errors didn't occur, the runs wouldn't score. And unless the pitchers are the ones making the errors, its not a problem with their performance. My point was simply that Arroyo and Wake have been solid. And for those who have watched their starts, they have consistently been let down by bad defense and a lack of offense. Neither is their fault, but both are what contribute to their lack of wins. Wins are absolutely not the correct stat to measure pitching. Are you telling me that Tom Glavine and CC Sabathia, despite having records around .500 with sub 3 ERAs, are somehow more suspect than a 6-3 Jose Contreras with an ERA of 5.3? Hell no. He was bailed out by the Yanks O, just as Glavine, Sabathia, and Sox pitchers like Wake and Arroyo were let down by bad D and a lack of O.
BoSox37
07-11-04, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by YanksDJ1998
for some reason fenway park ( hitters park ) is red sux best ally . their hitters seem to do well in that hitters park . and yanks play in pitcher friendly park . red sux have a advantage playing in that hitters park .
Fenway Park may be a hitters park, but it is a hitters park for both teams. YS is a pitchers park, for the most part, but it is a pitchers park for both teams. I do not understand how the Sox have a great advantage playing in a hitters park. It is not like they move back the fences and add 20 feet on top of the monster when their opponent is up.
BruceCampbellKG7
07-11-04, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by BoSox37
Fenway Park may be a hitters park, but it is a hitters park for both teams. YS is a pitchers park, for the most part, but it is a pitchers park for both teams. I do not understand how the Sox have a great advantage playing in a hitters park. It is not like they move back the fences and add 20 feet on top of the monster when their opponent is up.
YS is a left handed hitter's heaven, not necessarily a "pitchers" park.
And as far as your signature goes...i dont know man...:)
Originally posted by WakefieldsCrewSox
Yes but thats the whole point of unearned runs. If the errors didn't occur, the runs wouldn't score. And unless the pitchers are the ones making the errors, its not a problem with their performance. My point was simply that Arroyo and Wake have been solid. And for those who have watched their starts, they have consistently been let down by bad defense and a lack of offense. Neither is their fault, but both are what contribute to their lack of wins. Wins are absolutely not the correct stat to measure pitching. Are you telling me that Tom Glavine and CC Sabathia, despite having records around .500 with sub 3 ERAs, are somehow more suspect than a 6-3 Jose Contreras with an ERA of 5.3? Hell no. He was bailed out by the Yanks O, just as Glavine, Sabathia, and Sox pitchers like Wake and Arroyo were let down by bad D and a lack of O. Not completely accurate. Once the error occurs, all the runs given up thereafter are unearned. So, they can pitch poorly and it won't be accurately reflected because errors have broken up the rally's they've surrendered.
knickfan23
07-11-04, 08:35 PM
Originally posted by BoSox37
Fenway Park may be a hitters park, but it is a hitters park for both teams. YS is a pitchers park, for the most part, but it is a pitchers park for both teams. I do not understand how the Sox have a great advantage playing in a hitters park. It is not like they move back the fences and add 20 feet on top of the monster when their opponent is up.
Well then why is there such a disparity (ala Texas) in the teams home and road batting averages. Why can they suddenly hit .300 at home but less than .260 on the road. There is no other contending team outside of these two that have such a difference.
Conversely, the Yanks and Angels hit better on the road than they do at home.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/splits?team=bos
MaineSoxFan
07-11-04, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by knickfan23
Well then why is there such a disparity (ala Texas) in the teams home and road batting averages. Why can they suddenly hit .300 at home but less than .260 on the road. There is no other contending team outside of these two that have such a difference.
Conversely, the Yanks and Angels hit better on the road than they do at home.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/splits?team=bos
The poster wasn't saying that the Sox don't hit better at home, just that as a hitter's park it benefits both teams. The same idea with a pitcher's park.
Originally posted by nufced1918
I do agree that the Sox have to improve on the road, big test first 4 after the break in Anaheim.
Yeah- we've already been to Japan and the west coast 3 times. It seems you've had a lot more time at home in the first half where you play better.And only one west coast trip so far. Also we still have 19 games against Toronto, which hasn't begun the inevitable salary dump. The reace may well tighten up a bit at times, but I still think you're playing for the wild card.
MaineSoxFan
07-11-04, 08:40 PM
Originally posted by Buzah!
Not completely accurate. Once the error occurs, all the runs given up thereafter are unearned. So, they can pitch poorly and it won't be accurately reflected because errors have broken up the rally's they've surrendered.
That is true. You really have to look at the total numbers, i.e. BAA, hits allowed, walks, WHIP etc.
MaineSoxFan
07-11-04, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by Danmel
Yeah- we've already been to Japan and the west coast 3 times. It seems you've had a lot more time at home in the first half where you play better.And only one west coast trip so far. Also we still have 19 games against Toronto, which hasn't begun the inevitable salary dump. The reace may well tighten up a bit at times, but I still think you're playing for the wild card.
Actually the teams have played the same amount of times at their respective home stadiums: 45 games.
WakefieldsCrewSox
07-11-04, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by Buzah!
Not completely accurate. Once the error occurs, all the runs given up thereafter are unearned. So, they can pitch poorly and it won't be accurately reflected because errors have broken up the rally's they've surrendered.
I stick to my other points, specifically that about wins. While ERA may not be a perfect indication, wins are even further from indicative when it comes strictly to evaluating pitching performance. And again, particularly in the case of Arroyo and Wake, I don't think their records adequately reflect the quality of games which they've pitched this year. Fortunately, now that the offense has come to life, with any luck their performance will be rewarded from here on out. Bottom line is I am very comfortable sending either of them out on their respect turns and confident that they both give the Sox a great chance to win every time they take the hill.
Michaels07
07-11-04, 09:10 PM
The Red Sox , WILL NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!.
BoSox37
07-11-04, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by knickfan23
Well then why is there such a disparity (ala Texas) in the teams home and road batting averages. Why can they suddenly hit .300 at home but less than .260 on the road. There is no other contending team outside of these two that have such a difference.
Conversely, the Yanks and Angels hit better on the road than they do at home.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/splits?team=bos
Exactly what MaineSoxFan said. Yes, the Sox hit better at Fenway than on the road. Opposing teams also tend to hit better at Fenway than at most other parks. Just as visiting teams at The Ballpark in Arlington tend to hit well when they play there. They are hitters parks and they benefit both lineups. The original poster made it seem like the SOx have a huge advantage because Fenway is a hitters park, I am just trying to make the point that it is a hitters park for everyone, not just for the Sox.
As for my sig, BCK67, it is a Family Guy quote. :cool:
JeffWeaverFan
07-11-04, 10:06 PM
Allright, because this thread has kinda turned into a Yankees vs. Red Sox rotation argument, I figured I would try to break this down on who I think will be better for the 2nd half of the season. I'm going to warn right now that I am obviously very biased but this is how I see it. And to the Sox fans, I would love to hear what you disagree with.
1. Kevin Brown vs. Curt Schilling. In my mind this is push. Kevin Brown has been complaining all year of weight loss and of feeling weak. We now know what was causing him that. He has now had a good amount of time off so he should be healthy, strong, and rested for the 2nd half of the season. I expect we will see the kind of pitcher he was last year. Schilling has been great for the Sox this year and I don't expect that to change. Obviously Sox fans will argue that Schilling should definatley have the advantage here, but I am predicting that their second half stats will be veyr similar.
2. Mike Mussina vs. Pedro Martinez. No question, Pedro wins this one hands down. Although Pedro hasn't really been Pedro this season, Moose has not been Moose. I do think Moose will have a much better 2nd half that 1st half, but we will see.
3. Javier Vazquez vs. Tim Wakefield. Firstly, I wasn't sure if I should put Lowe here or Wakefield but because of how Lowe has pitched this season, I figured Wakefield is your number 3 right now. (Also, some people might argue that Vazquez should be the #2 and Moose the #3, but I think in a playoff series, there is no way Torre starts Vazquez before Moose). Okay, I believe Vazquez wins this one here. I don't think it can really been argued. Vazquez has been great this season and Wakefield, although better of recent, still has been inconsistent and has had his fair share of bad starts.
4. Jon Lieber vs. Derek Lowe. This is a tough one here. I am going to give a slight edge to Lieber because his numbers are better. Lieber has a 4.77 ERA and Lowe has a 5.57 ERA. Lowe has had a few real good starts but has also been awful many times. Lieber has also had his fair share of bad starts after a great beginning, but he has had 3 good starts in a row. Also, he has not complained about the shoulder soreness that was bothering him during his bad stretch.
5. Jose Contreras vs. Bronson Arroyo. Well, I can't blame any Boston fan to argue that Arroyo is better because Contreras has been awful this season. As said, he has a 4.07 ERA which is pretty good. He has also been inconsistent. I've seen him be very good and I've also seen him pitch very badly. As my sig says, I think a lot of Contreras and think he is going to be great now that his family is with him. He has had 3 starts since they came back and did not seem to have any mental breakdowns during any of them. In his one bad start he simply did not have his stuff. Anyways, I predict that Jose will be a great starter from now on, but we will see. It should also be noted that if he proves that he can't be that good, El Duque is a hell of a backup plan. For now, I'll say it's a push, although I'd rather have our #5 situation than yours.
So, as of now I gave the Yankees 2 to the Sox 1 and had 2 ties. As I warned, this was biased...
incarnadine
07-11-04, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by BoSox37
As for my sig, BCK67, it is a Family Guy quote. :cool:
Family Guy is coming back next year, spring. This makes me happy all over.
Jersey Yankee
07-11-04, 10:47 PM
Originally posted by BruceCampbellKG7
Well...i praise your confidence if you want any of those two guys pitching in game 7 of a playoff series Especially Wakefield!!! :D ;) :p
PippyPinstripes
07-12-04, 01:14 AM
>The Red Sox getting swept by NYY may have been the best thing for the 2004 Red Sox as they have awoken from their 2 month nap.
I'm so happy for you!
You're still 7 games out!
Jersey Yankee
07-12-04, 01:30 AM
Originally posted by PippyPinstripes
>The Red Sox getting swept by NYY may have been the best thing for the 2004 Red Sox as they have awoken from their 2 month nap.
I'm so happy for you!
You're still 7 games out! If we sweep 'em at home, will they then be 14 games out?
ColombiaYanksFan
07-12-04, 02:26 AM
Wait!!!
You forgot to mention El Duque. I guess when you opened this thread, you had no idea he would be back so soon!
I think some anti Yankee's bubbles have been burst..... again.
cubswin
07-12-04, 02:44 AM
Originally posted by Buzah!
Not completely accurate. Once the error occurs, all the runs given up thereafter are unearned. So, they can pitch poorly and it won't be accurately reflected because errors have broken up the rally's they've surrendered.
That's only if the error occurs with 2 outs. If the first batter gets on by error, every run scored in the inning is not unearned.
cubswin
07-12-04, 02:46 AM
Originally posted by COLOMBIAYANKSFAN
Wait!!!
You forgot to mention El Duque. I guess when you opened this thread, you had no idea he would be back so soon!
I think some anti Yankee's bubbles have been burst..... again.
Yes, all of Red Sox Nation is resigned to a Yankees WS win b/c of the return of Hernandez. Really, it would even overshadow them picking up Randy Johnson.
IncredibleByNature
07-12-04, 03:08 AM
Originally posted by BruceCampbellKG7
that's fine, we'll sweep you every other time we play you then too, if that's what you want
Sounds like a plan. :lol:
Dooley Womack
07-12-04, 08:45 AM
If they meet in the playoffs I hope we keep you happy by sweeping the Sox again!
Dooley Womack
07-12-04, 08:48 AM
Originally posted by NYYFAN
Boston plays well at home, but sucks on the road...lets see them on their next road trip...
I wonder where they are hiding the cheat TV's this year. ;)
Originally posted by Buzah!
Not completely accurate. Once the error occurs, all the runs given up thereafter are unearned. So, they can pitch poorly and it won't be accurately reflected because errors have broken up the rally's they've surrendered.
I have to agr ee with Buzah here Wake.....case in point, D Lowe gives up a 7 spot the other day, all of which are unearned because of an error, regardless, the guy gave up a grandslam in the inning after the error, clearly it isn't reflected in his ERA, but it is not helping the team win the game.
B in ALB
07-12-04, 09:10 AM
Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
Allright, because this thread has kinda turned into a Yankees vs. Red Sox rotation argument, I figured I would try to break this down on who I think will be better for the 2nd half of the season. I'm going to warn right now that I am obviously very biased but this is how I see it. And to the Sox fans, I would love to hear what you disagree with.
1. Kevin Brown vs. Curt Schilling. In my mind this is push. Kevin Brown has been complaining all year of weight loss and of feeling weak. We now know what was causing him that. He has now had a good amount of time off so he should be healthy, strong, and rested for the 2nd half of the season. I expect we will see the kind of pitcher he was last year. Schilling has been great for the Sox this year and I don't expect that to change. Obviously Sox fans will argue that Schilling should definatley have the advantage here, but I am predicting that their second half stats will be veyr similar.
2. Mike Mussina vs. Pedro Martinez. No question, Pedro wins this one hands down. Although Pedro hasn't really been Pedro this season, Moose has not been Moose. I do think Moose will have a much better 2nd half that 1st half, but we will see.
3. Javier Vazquez vs. Tim Wakefield. Firstly, I wasn't sure if I should put Lowe here or Wakefield but because of how Lowe has pitched this season, I figured Wakefield is your number 3 right now. (Also, some people might argue that Vazquez should be the #2 and Moose the #3, but I think in a playoff series, there is no way Torre starts Vazquez before Moose). Okay, I believe Vazquez wins this one here. I don't think it can really been argued. Vazquez has been great this season and Wakefield, although better of recent, still has been inconsistent and has had his fair share of bad starts.
4. Jon Lieber vs. Derek Lowe. This is a tough one here. I am going to give a slight edge to Lieber because his numbers are better. Lieber has a 4.77 ERA and Lowe has a 5.57 ERA. Lowe has had a few real good starts but has also been awful many times. Lieber has also had his fair share of bad starts after a great beginning, but he has had 3 good starts in a row. Also, he has not complained about the shoulder soreness that was bothering him during his bad stretch.
5. Jose Contreras vs. Bronson Arroyo. Well, I can't blame any Boston fan to argue that Arroyo is better because Contreras has been awful this season. As said, he has a 4.07 ERA which is pretty good. He has also been inconsistent. I've seen him be very good and I've also seen him pitch very badly. As my sig says, I think a lot of Contreras and think he is going to be great now that his family is with him. He has had 3 starts since they came back and did not seem to have any mental breakdowns during any of them. In his one bad start he simply did not have his stuff. Anyways, I predict that Jose will be a great starter from now on, but we will see. It should also be noted that if he proves that he can't be that good, El Duque is a hell of a backup plan. For now, I'll say it's a push, although I'd rather have our #5 situation than yours.
So, as of now I gave the Yankees 2 to the Sox 1 and had 2 ties. As I warned, this was biased...
I think if you're talking about a NYY/Boston 7 game series - starting at home, then going to Boston, you HAVE to put Vasquez at the #2 spot - he got knocked a bit in Beantown last time. And there is NO WAY Torre is allowing Contreras to start vs. Boston on the road. It's 2/3/2 so the rotation regardless, imo, would be (assuming the staff stays the same):
Brown
Javy
Mussina
Lieber
Brown
Javy
Mussina
Contreras is NOT pitching in a 7 game series unless it's outta the bullpen - the only logical spot vs. boston would be Game 6, and i'm not trusting him with that game...sorry.
YankeeClemens22
07-12-04, 09:35 AM
Originally posted by cubswin
Yes, all of Red Sox Nation is resigned to a Yankees WS win b/c of the return of Hernandez. Really, it would even overshadow them picking up Randy Johnson.
Oh come on. I don't think he was implying that.... simply that El Duque is another tool in the Yankees rotation. Another card we can play, and a player capable of pitching extremely well in pressure situations.
Of course... I agree that it is premature to get overly excited about his return, and claim that he is "back" based on 5 innings yesterday, but still, he could be a key part of our championship run.
EnterNight42
07-12-04, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by nufced1918
The Red Sox getting swept by NYY may have been the best thing for the 2004 Red Sox as they have awoken from their 2 month nap.
I said last week the 9 games before the break could make or break the Sox and they have responded. Hey are not playing for the WC, they think they can catch NYY.
Just curious... if the Yankees did the Red Sox a favor by sweeping them, are you implying that it would have been preferable to let them win one or two of the games? Because I don't. Lets say, for arguements sake, that Cairo struck out in the bottom of the 13th. Then the Red Sox would probably identify that victory as the energizing turning point in their season.
I think that all it takes for these two teams is to play each other for them to remember why to win. If the Red Sox hadn't have gotten swept, they wouldn't have fallen in a 8 1/2 game hole, and there'd be no talk of giving up on the division.
I think the red sox will play better in the second half, but the Yankees, in spite of questionable starting pitching, have too big a lead to relinquish the division given the strength of schedules in the second half. The Yankees have their longest and most difficult road trips behind them, and they played well in them.
As before, this will all be decided in the playoffs. Wild card or division winner doesn't matter once you get to the ALCS.
Woodshed42
07-12-04, 09:58 AM
Yes, all of Red Sox Nation is resigned to a Yankees WS win b/c of the return of Hernandez. Really, it would even overshadow them picking up Randy Johnson.
Who would you rather face in game in game 4 of the ALCS:
Duque
Contreras
Lieber
Duque's emergence is huge on so many levels. Try to understand what we have had to watch this year
JeffWeaverFan
07-12-04, 09:59 AM
Originally posted by B in ALB
I think if you're talking about a NYY/Boston 7 game series - starting at home, then going to Boston, you HAVE to put Vasquez at the #2 spot - he got knocked a bit in Beantown last time. And there is NO WAY Torre is allowing Contreras to start vs. Boston on the road. It's 2/3/2 so the rotation regardless, imo, would be (assuming the staff stays the same):
Brown
Javy
Mussina
Lieber
Brown
Javy
Mussina
Contreras is NOT pitching in a 7 game series unless it's outta the bullpen - the only logical spot vs. boston would be Game 6, and i'm not trusting him with that game...sorry.
Well, I was talking about the 5 man rotation in general, I know that neither of the #5s will be pitching in the playoffs. The one thing you don't take into account is that the rotation could very well not be set in that order because you never know what will happen in the ALDS series.
cubswin
07-12-04, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by YankeeClemens22
Oh come on. I don't think he was implying that.... simply that El Duque is another tool in the Yankees rotation. Another card we can play, and a player capable of pitching extremely well in pressure situations.
Of course... I agree that it is premature to get overly excited about his return, and claim that he is "back" based on 5 innings yesterday, but still, he could be a key part of our championship run.
Your post I agree with (although I think it's unlikely he will be a "key" component -- but, yes, it could happen).
cubswin
07-12-04, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by Woodshed42
Who would you rather face in game in game 4 of the ALCS:
Duque
Contreras
Lieber
Duque's emergence is huge on so many levels. Try to understand what we have had to watch this year
Absolutely no idea -- let's say that I would be glad for the Sox to face any of them. Contreras is the highest beta, I think.
Woodshed42
07-12-04, 03:54 PM
Absolutely no idea -- let's say that I would be glad for the Sox to face any of them.
I'd take my chances with an El Duque vs Derek Lowe/Arroyo matchup. I can't say the same for Lieber or Contreras.
Originally posted by Woodshed42
I'd take my chances with an El Duque vs Derek Lowe/Arroyo matchup. I can't say the same for Lieber or Contreras.
In September, when Boston is eliminated from wild card race, will you all look back on all the time wasted discussin picthing rotations for a series that will never occur?;)
Woodshed42
07-12-04, 04:18 PM
In September, when Boston is eliminated from wild card race, will you all look back on all the time wasted discussin picthing rotations for a series that will never occur?
I meant the El Duque vs Rich Harden matchup :lol:
yankeeholic
07-13-04, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by YankeeClemens22
Pedro isn't exactly having a career year either. yea, and Schilling has a bad ankle.
WakefieldsCrewSox
07-13-04, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by yankeeholic
yea, and Schilling has a bad ankle.
I don't think Schilling's ankle has gotten any worse and I know that his pitching hasn't. But if this is what he does on a bum ankle, its flat out scary to think of how good he'd be when fully healthy.
Sandman K's Nosemar
07-13-04, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by knickfan23
Well then why is there such a disparity (ala Texas) in the teams home and road batting averages. Why can they suddenly hit .300 at home but less than .260 on the road. There is no other contending team outside of these two that have such a difference.
Conversely, the Yanks and Angels hit better on the road than they do at home.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/splits?team=bos
C'mon...didn't you read the Zito thread on this site? The Sox are sign stealers;)
As for the Oakland series, the Sox did catch a break by missing Mulder and Hudson being on the DL. Zito has been off this year and then they faced Harden and Redman. I like the fact that we were able to face the big three and get the sweep. However, a sweep is a sweep and it counts in the W column all the same.
I feel like in a head to head playoff matchup, whoever adds the better starter now will have a slight edge. So here's to a great second half and another Yankee playoff run.
Arod for President
07-14-04, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by nufced1918
The Red Sox getting swept by NYY may have been the best thing for the 2004 Red Sox as they have awoken from their 2 month nap.
I said last week the 9 games before the break could make or break the Sox and they have responded. Hey are not playing for the WC, they think they can catch NYY.
The Randy Johnson situation will be the main focus for the next 3 weeks. George is hellbent to get him and the Sox are likewise going all out to either getting him or making sure he doesn't wind up in the Bronx. I still think Anaheim is where he winds up but nobody knows what the Dbacks want.
I have a hunch the second half may become 1978 like and it will go to the last week. The Yankees
rotation is suspect so the Sox as of now have an edge there. Oston's bats have awoken and can score runs just like NYY.
It is going to be fun.
Hey say whatever it takes to help the swelling in your head go down. The sox play the yankees again in about a week. will it be a blessing when the yanks sweep em again?
Arynduil
07-14-04, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by Arod for President
Hey say whatever it takes to help the swelling in your head go down. The sox play the yankees again in about a week. will it be a blessing when the yanks sweep em again?
No kidding. Don't agree with the premise here, at all. Sox really could have / should have won 2 of those games and it'd be a 5 game lead at the break.
1st post btw, wuwu.
yankeeholic
07-14-04, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by WakefieldsCrewSox
I don't think Schilling's ankle has gotten any worse and I know that his pitching hasn't. But if this is what he does on a bum ankle, its flat out scary to think of how good he'd be when fully healthy. Agreed, but the season is far from over.
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