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NESN-Sox pregame reports Sox get permission to talk to Randy Johnson.
Theo Epstein and Johnson's agent deny rumor.
Stay tuned.
:eek: Anywhere but there! ;)
Irony Of It All
07-07-04, 06:13 PM
This should probably be in Around the Majors...
Yankee Bulldawg
07-07-04, 07:22 PM
this is not good :mad:
StatenIslandYankee
07-07-04, 08:04 PM
:barf: :scared: :enraged: :finger2: :mad:
WebsterMulligan
07-07-04, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by Bxboy
NESN-Sox pregame reports Sox get permission to talk to Randy Johnson.
Theo Epstein and Johnson's agent deny rumor.
Stay tuned.
:scared: :scared: :scared:
stevethesoxfan
07-07-04, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by Yankee Bulldawg
this is not good :mad:
This is FANTASTIC!!!...
...but probably not true. I'm not getting my hopes up at all. I'll believe it when I see all 6'9" of him in a Sox uniform.
JavyVazquezIsSick
07-07-04, 08:10 PM
I think Johnson going to the Red Sox couldn't make Colengelo more happy...
WebsterMulligan
07-07-04, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by stevethesoxfan
This is FANTASTIC!!!...
...but probably not true. I'm not getting my hopes up at all. I'll believe it when I see all 6'9" of him in a Sox uniform.
I thought he was 6'11". Either way, he's nasty.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?id=1835426
Nothing new, but a good simple summary of buyers/sellers, ignores nearly all prospect offers though.
WebsterMulligan
07-07-04, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by nahzo
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?id=1835426
Nothing new, but a good simple summary of buyers/sellers, ignores nearly all prospect offers though.
It's definitely a seller's market. Johnson is going to be costly to the team that gets him, should he be traded.
Byung-HyunKimCyYoung
07-07-04, 08:31 PM
I can't wait to see what King George does if this Unit to Sox deal ever comes to fruition.
stevethesoxfan
07-07-04, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by WebsterMulligan
I thought he was 6'11". Either way, he's nasty.
Actually, I checked and we're both wrong. He's 6'10" on the ESPN site. But I guess you win once he puts on shoes.:D
StatenIslandYankee
07-07-04, 08:35 PM
if this happens I will SHOOT MYSELF :(
YanksDJ1998
07-07-04, 08:38 PM
WTF :barf: :finger2:
cashman do something . go to RJs home and rub ur nose on his feet . or atleast go talk to him .
RIyankee
07-07-04, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by WebsterMulligan
I thought he was 6'11". Either way, he's nasty.
No problem. If the Red Sox get RJ he just become part of the "Curse".
;) :cool:
yankeegeek
07-07-04, 08:48 PM
IF the Sox get Randy they had better win it all. With all that is expected of them from the start of the season, they had better win it all.
WebsterMulligan
07-07-04, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by yankeegeek
IF the Sox get Randy they had better win it all. With all that is expected of them from the start of the season, they had better win it all.
I thought that only applied to the Yankees? ;)
NDBoston
07-07-04, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by yankeegeek
IF the Sox get Randy they had better win it all. With all that is expected of them from the start of the season, they had better win it all.
After getting ARod, the Yankees were favored in Las Vegas to win it all not the Red Sox.
BDD is now reporting it, so it must be true! Alive like A-Rod!
stevethesoxfan
07-07-04, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by ACPS
BDD is now reporting it, so it must be true! Alive like A-Rod!
BDD reported that Martians landed in 1938 too. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
StatenIslandYankee
07-07-04, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by ACPS
BDD is now reporting it, so it must be true! Alive like A-Rod! !@#$%^&*(*&^%$#
Anything on the web guys?
StatenIslandYankee
07-07-04, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by nahzo
Anything on the web guys? yeah check bdd
WakefieldsKnuckler49
07-07-04, 09:13 PM
if BDD reports it, it has more validity, they are USUALLY right.
God I hope this comes true. I will piss muh pants if it does.
Actually, that was supposed to be tounge in cheek. Aren't they supposed to be shut down?
NDBoston
07-07-04, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by WakefieldsKnuckler49
if BDD reports it, it has more validity, they are USUALLY right.
God I hope this comes true. I will piss muh pants if it does.
you're joking right?
Good Lord that site is running slow...
ForceFive
07-07-04, 09:20 PM
Johnson still has a no-trade clause. For all the reasons why many say it's a long shot for Johnson to want to leave the comforts of the desert for NY, the same goes for Boston.
Somehow, I find this to have as much believability as all the inevitable "Beltran to Boston" rumors. We shall see.
WakefieldsKnuckler49
07-07-04, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by ACPS
Actually, that was supposed to be tounge in cheek. Aren't they supposed to be shut down?
I realize you were being saracastic, but BDD has a history of getting alot of things right. The things they've gotten wrong, A-Rods trade, ETC, was what EVERYONE was reporting.
BDD is moving to Boston.com I believe, I hope they don't change their site too much though, I love it.
NDBoston
07-07-04, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by ForceFive
Johnson still has a no-trade clause. For all the reasons why many say it's a long shot for Johnson to want to leave the comforts of the desert for NY, the same goes for Boston.
Somehow, I find this to have as much believability as all the inevitable "Beltran to Boston" rumors. We shall see.
Force, I don't see him coming to Boston either.
If he goes anywhere, it's Anaheim.
ForceFive
07-07-04, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by NDBoston
Force, I don't see him coming to Boston either.
If he goes anywhere, it's Anaheim.
Agreed. I think that if he didn't have a ring already, he'd be more willing to go where he needs to in order to have that chance. But since that isn't a real factor anymore, I just don't see him uprooting his whole situation to go to the East Coast.
StatenIslandYankee
07-07-04, 09:30 PM
:(
Sofa King Cool
07-07-04, 09:54 PM
Lobel is talking about Epstein's plans to talk to RJ at the all star game and about Shonda Schilling's recent request to sit next to Lisa Johnson(Randy's wife) at some event during the AS break(I didn't hear exactly what it was but I'm assuming its the game).
BruceCampbellKG7
07-07-04, 09:56 PM
Just like the Red Sox had permission to talk to A-Rod....whatever :boring:
I wonder how much TUMS Cash and Theo go through in a year... Probably enough to chalk the field... :p
StatenIslandYankee
07-07-04, 10:01 PM
Man these rumors are really flying !@#$%^&*
StatenIslandYankee
07-07-04, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by nahzo
I wonder how much TUMS Cash and Theo go through in a year... Probably enough to chalk the field... :p ahahahaha
stevethesoxfan
07-07-04, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by nahzo
I wonder how much TUMS Cash and Theo go through in a year... Probably enough to chalk the field... :p
You are right. They are both under pressure to win it all. But I would rather be Theo than Brian. Wouldn't you rather have to deal with Henry's moods than Steinbrenner's?
CelerinoSanchez
07-07-04, 10:06 PM
As I wrote in another thread speculating about us getting Schmidt, Glavine, RJ, etc., and was ridiculed for it; "Three words why we won't be trading for Randy Johnson: David Wells' handshake."
Apparently Colangelo still believes in ethics & integrity. Could be that two years of Boomer, including his wonderful start in last year's World Series, cost us both Schilling and Johnson. Wonder how George feels now?
Originally posted by stevethesoxfan
You are right. They are both under pressure to win it all. But I would rather be Theo than Brian. Wouldn't you rather have to deal with Henry's moods than Steinbrenner's? Well, I dunno. I always thought Cash was under more pressure from Big Stein than anyone else, and Theo was more under pressure from the fans and media than Henry. Maybe I'm seeing it from a Yankee fan polarization... or is that how Sox fans see it?
Either way, both probably work their asses off. :)
StatenIslandYankee
07-07-04, 10:23 PM
:( @ this thread
DiMaggio5CF
07-07-04, 10:33 PM
Cashman, if you thought Big Stein was pissed about losing Freddy Garcia to the White Sox, you better not lose Randy Johnson to the Red Sox.
IntimateStranger
07-07-04, 11:01 PM
I'll give up my first-born for Randy.
He CANNOT go to the Red Sox.
Originally posted by DiMaggio5CF
Cashman, if you thought Big Stein was pissed about losing Freddy Garcia to the White Sox, you better not lose Randy Johnson to the Red Sox.
How would it be Cashman's fault? It's Steinbrenner that Colangelo hates and would love to screw.
BTW, if this happens, can we please please please be considered the underdogs?? It'd be a nice change.
StatenIslandYankee
07-07-04, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by IntimateStranger
I'll give up my first-born for Randy.
He CANNOT go to the Red Sox. i'll second that
YanksDJ1998
07-07-04, 11:31 PM
if RJ goes to red sox , i guess we can forget about the curse .
bambino will never forgive Boss and cashman .
StatenIslandYankee
07-07-04, 11:37 PM
Originally posted by YanksDJ1998
if RJ goes to red sox , i guess we can forget about the curse .
bambino will never forgive Boss and cashman . stop making me think about it
MiamiKat
07-08-04, 12:07 AM
With that pitching rotation and their cast of sluggers, if the Sox got RJ they would have be immediately favored to win the WS -- definitely at least the ALCS. That'll mean a boatload of additional pressure from the fans and especially the Boston press. It could even be sort of interesting to see how that plays out.
And the Yankees would be the underdogs for a change. Weird, huh?
But I hope it doesn't get to that. I DON'T want to see RJ go to the Sox. No f'in way. :)
flutie22
07-08-04, 12:11 AM
i not getting excited about this until i see rj tryin on the sox hat...i've learned my lesson
cubswin
07-08-04, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by BruceCampbellKG7
Just like the Red Sox had permission to talk to A-Rod....whatever :boring:
well, if it's as real as that, then it's not very good news for the Yanks, since there actually was a deal in place in that situation, and only the union opposed it. That said, I don't give this much credibility.
DiMaggio5CF
07-08-04, 12:24 AM
Originally posted by Alex
How would it be Cashman's fault? It's Steinbrenner that Colangelo hates and would love to screw.
Whether or not it was Cashman's fault is not going to do anything to lessen the abuse that he's going to have to take from Steinbrenner.
It may not be his fault if RJ goes to Beantown, but if he's in for some punishment if it happens.
cubswin
07-08-04, 12:53 AM
Originally posted by DiMaggio5CF
...It may not be his fault if RJ goes to Beantown, but if he's in for some punishment if it happens.
Weren't there rumors that Cashman wanted out? Maybe this would be the best thing to happen to him. :)
StatenIslandYankee
07-08-04, 02:45 AM
Schilling and Theo will meet with Johnson this week according to a caller from WFAN who heard it on EEI.
StatenIslandYankee
07-08-04, 05:58 AM
Shonda Schilling going to talk to Mrs. RJ at the ALL-STAR game when she sits next to her. Wonder what it's about
The Boston Globe is reporting (todays edition) that Theo vehemently denies the rumor that he has permission to talk to RJ. Providence, RI sports radio (99.7) is reporting that there is a lowe and others trade proposal on the table for Johnson. Sit tight guys 23 days until trade deadline!
StatenIslandYankee
07-08-04, 06:51 AM
Lobel also reported that Shonda Schilling, wife of Sox pitcher Curt Schilling, intended to lobby Johnson's wife, Lisa, on coming to Boston.
Source (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2004/07/08/epstein_denies_johnson_report/)
MaineSoxFan
07-08-04, 06:57 AM
Originally posted by Kickyt
The Boston Globe is reporting (todays edition) that Theo vehemently denies the rumor that he has permission to talk to RJ. Providence, RI sports radio (99.7) is reporting that there is a lowe and others trade proposal on the table for Johnson. Sit tight guys 23 days until trade deadline!
Wouldn't Lowe actually be a negative? I would think that putting Lowe out there would mean that the Sox would have to offer even more to counterbalance him.
StatenIslandYankee
07-08-04, 07:12 AM
&po'd&&po'd&&po'd&:enraged: :enraged:
Originally posted by Kickyt
The Boston Globe is reporting (todays edition) that Theo vehemently denies the rumor that he has permission to talk to RJ. Providence, RI sports radio (99.7) is reporting that there is a lowe and others trade proposal on the table for Johnson. Sit tight guys 23 days until trade deadline!
If the D-Backs were to trade Randy Johnson, it would make absolutely no sense to take a Derek Lowe or Nomar in return. I'm not saying a deal with Boston would be impossible, but for expensive, impending free agents, who, I might add, are not exactly doing very well right now? Nope. The D-Backs can name their price for Johnson, and be certain that if they decide to move him, they will get that price.
MaineSoxFan
07-08-04, 07:32 AM
Originally posted by ed
If the D-Backs were to trade Randy Johnson, it would make absolutely no sense to take a Derek Lowe or Nomar in return. I'm not saying a deal with Boston would be impossible, but for expensive, impending free agents, who, I might add, are not exactly doing very well right now? Nope. The D-Backs can name their price for Johnson, and be certain that if they decide to move him, they will get that price.
I agree with it not making sense for the D-Backs to trade for Nomar or Lowe, but I disagree with the assessment of Nomar's performance to date. He has really picked it up.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2004/07/08/epstein_denies_johnson_report/
<B>Any direct contact between the Sox GM and the Arizona Diamondbacks lefthander, without the permission of Major League Baseball, would constitute tampering, one reason Epstein would be particularly sensitive to the report. Baseball commissioner Bud Selig was away on business yesterday, but a high-ranking MLB executive said Selig had not been approached about Johnson, and before any contact could take place, Selig would have to be informed.
"There's nothing going on with Randy Johnson, zero," said an agitated Epstein, who also refuted the Johnson report on NESN's pregame show in strong terms. </B>
rightfielder21
07-08-04, 07:45 AM
Originally posted by ed
If the D-Backs were to trade Randy Johnson, it would make absolutely no sense to take a Derek Lowe or Nomar in return. I'm not saying a deal with Boston would be impossible, but for expensive, impending free agents....
Agreed...
chanman7483
07-08-04, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by ed
If the D-Backs were to trade Randy Johnson, it would make absolutely no sense to take a Derek Lowe or Nomar in return. I'm not saying a deal with Boston would be impossible, but for expensive, impending free agents, who, I might add, are not exactly doing very well right now? Nope. The D-Backs can name their price for Johnson, and be certain that if they decide to move him, they will get that price.
When it comes down to it, all Colangelo wants to do is screw the Yanks. If ARI was to receive Lowe and nomar, that would be awesome for them... i'd even say they were ROBBING boston considering what Boston gave up for schilling - - Brandon Lyon, Casey Fossum and 2 minor leaguers....................
fcuking colanegelo
RhodeyYankee2638
07-08-04, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by Pomp
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2004/07/08/epstein_denies_johnson_report/
<B>Any direct contact between the Sox GM and the Arizona Diamondbacks lefthander, without the permission of Major League Baseball, would constitute tampering, one reason Epstein would be particularly sensitive to the report. Baseball commissioner Bud Selig was away on business yesterday, but a high-ranking MLB executive said Selig had not been approached about Johnson, and before any contact could take place, Selig would have to be informed.
"There's nothing going on with Randy Johnson, zero," said an agitated Epstein, who also refuted the Johnson report on NESN's pregame show in strong terms. </B>
I think Boston is desperate enough to win this year, that they are willing to commit tampering to get what they want.
SINCE77 2
07-08-04, 09:31 AM
...Boston acquired RJ and didn't make it past the ALCS?
RhodeyYankee2638
07-08-04, 09:40 AM
Originally posted by SINCE77 2
...Boston acquired RJ and didn't make it past the ALCS?
lets not take that chance ;)
Irony Of It All
07-08-04, 09:40 AM
Originally posted by chanman7483
When it comes down to it, all Colangelo wants to do is screw the Yanks. If ARI was to receive Lowe and nomar, that would be awesome for them... i'd even say they were ROBBING boston considering what Boston gave up for schilling - - Brandon Lyon, Casey Fossum and 2 minor leaguers....................
fcuking colanegelo
I seriously doubt that Colangelo would trade Johnson to the Red Sox just to spite the Yankees. He may prefer not to deal with the Yankees, but anybody with half a brain knows it would be beneficial to have the two teams in a bidding war.
yanksphan
07-08-04, 09:44 AM
Every article on this page leads to believe it's all B.S.
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/mlb/mlbrumors.html
The one about Bud Selig puts my mind at ease. If you don't talk to Bud, you can't talk to Randy. Bud was away all day yesterday.
RhodeyYankee2638
07-08-04, 09:57 AM
If Sox get RJ or any other decent pitcher, I think George pulls the trigger for Smoltz
LoneRedSeat
07-08-04, 09:57 AM
On the trade being for Lowe or Nomar - Despite what Bill Simmons says about Nomar and the OC, I don't think the Sox will move Garciaparra. Lowe on the other hand would most likely be part of a sign and trade deal. I'm sure Lowe would take anything the Sox offered him at this point: 6-8, 6.02 ERA, 1.71 WHIP, .307 BAA.
RhodeyYankee2638
07-08-04, 09:58 AM
I said on the previous page, the Yanks and probably Red Sox would have a better chance at getting John Smotlz rather than Randy Johnson. I could see the Braves accepting a deal including D-Lowe. They love overrated pitchers over there it seems for the past few years
BobbyMurcerFan
07-08-04, 09:59 AM
I think this trade will happen b/c Curt will give Boston the inside track and Randy can nix any trade. I'm sure RJ would love to team up w/ Curt again to stick it to the Yankees one more time.
As for what Zona would do w/ Nomar (if he's part of the trade) I imagine they would turn around and trade him for prospects to a possible contender or team who wants to re-sign him longterm.
I don't see how this doesn't get done (well Zona could insist on Nomar and Boston could decide they don't want to part w/ him.)
Nonetheless, I have no doubt one way or another, RJ will be wearing a Sox hat.
P.S. I think Boston would be best served by NOT including Nomar. Nomar is an AMAZING ballplayer and will be motivated to play hard in the second half to showcase himself if for no othe reason. And if the Sox do make the WS w/ Nomar, no matter what bad blood has been spilled, that could heal A LOT of wounds. So Boston could actually have a GOOD chance of re-signing him.
(Notice I said GOING to the WS, b/c we all know there is no way Boston can actually WIN one.)
Irony Of It All
07-08-04, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by BobbyMurcerFan
I think this trade will happen b/c Curt will give Boston the inside track and Randy can nix any trade. I'm sure RJ would love team up w/ Curt again to stick it to the Yankees one more time.
As for what Zona would do w/ Nomar (if he's part of the trade) I imagine they would turn around and trade him for prospects to a possible contender or team who wants to re-sign him longterm.
I don't see how this doesn't get done unless Zona says Nomar has to be included and Boston decides they don't want to part w/ him.
I seriously doubt Nomar or Lowe would be involved in any deal for Johnson.
YankyDave
07-08-04, 10:12 AM
Word is Johnson doesn't like Schilling much so I doubt they could use him as a selling point.
BobbyMurcerFan
07-08-04, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by YankyDave
Word is Johnson doesn't like Schilling much so I doubt they could use him as a selling point. If this is right, then there goes my "well thought out" prediction, LOL!!
Byung-HyunKimCyYoung
07-08-04, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by YankyDave
Word is Johnson doesn't like Schilling much so I doubt they could use him as a selling point.
You've been reading too much Jon Heyman, my friend.
RhodeyYankee2638
07-08-04, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by Irony Of It All
I seriously doubt Nomar or Lowe would be involved in any deal for Johnson.
I can see a 3 way deal, perhaps involving LA. LA gets Nomar and ships out prospects to Zona. Just a thought
Irony Of It All
07-08-04, 10:21 AM
Originally posted by RhodeyYankee2638
I can see a 3 way deal, perhaps involving LA. LA gets Nomar and ships out prospects to Zona. Just a thought
I just don't see Boston dealing Nomar when they're trying to win it all.
RhodeyYankee2638
07-08-04, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by Irony Of It All
I just don't see Boston dealing Nomar when they're trying to win it all.
For Randy Johnson? Whoever deals for Randy is trying to win it all.
Irony Of It All
07-08-04, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by RhodeyYankee2638
For Randy Johnson? Whoever deals for Randy is trying to win it all.
Which is exactly the reason they're not trading Nomar. They want to win it all and would sacrifice prospects before they give up one of their best players.
RhodeyYankee2638
07-08-04, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by Irony Of It All
Which is exactly the reason they're not trading Nomar. They want to win it all and would sacrifice prospects before they give up one of their best players.
Well, from reports, the Sox have been inclined to deal Nomar. I have read it several places, that they would deal him if the deal was right. And how could the deal be better for the best pitcher in the game right now
Bosox Guy in Chitown
07-08-04, 10:43 AM
As much as I would love the idea of RJ in a Red Sox uniform, and as much as I enjoy watching a few Yankee fans fume over that very real possibility, I seriously doubt this is going to happen.
Have you guys considered that the Sox are just driving up the price on Johnson? Or that this is just a bad rumor?
Irony Of It All
07-08-04, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by RhodeyYankee2638
Well, from reports, the Sox have been inclined to deal Nomar. I have read it several places, that they would deal him if the deal was right. And how could the deal be better for the best pitcher in the game right now
I just don't see the Sox getting any deals that would be worth it. If the only way they could acquire Johnson was to trade Nomar then I think they would, but I don't see that as very likely.
B in ALB
07-08-04, 10:58 AM
According to Mike and the Sht Dog yesterday and SoSH, Schilling's WIFE contacted Johnson's wife asking if they'd be willing to move east. Apparently, this gets the sawks around the tampering issue. I don't really get this part of the report, but take it for what it's worth.
NDBoston
07-08-04, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by B in ALB
According to Mike and the Sht Dog yesterday and SoSH, Schilling's WIFE contacted Johnson's wife asking if they'd be willing to move east. Apparently, this gets the sawks around the tampering issue. I don't really get this part of the report, but take it for what it's worth.
Sean McAdam claims this morning that RJ's wife and Schilling's wife are good friends so this makes sense.
However, this trade won't happen. I'm willing to bet cash money. Anaheim has better prospects to trade and it's closer to where Johnson lives and he's a California boy.
Now I have to worry about Johnson on Anaheim. That's one tough team if it happens.
B in ALB
07-08-04, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by NDBoston
Sean McAdam claims this morning that RJ's wife and Schilling's wife are good friends so this makes sense.
However, this trade won't happen. I'm willing to bet cash money. Anaheim has better prospects to trade and it's closer to where Johnson lives and he's a California boy.
Now I have to worry about Johnson on Anaheim. That's one tough team if it happens.
on top of that, on mike and mike on espnradio this morning, they stated that the two wives are "sitting" next to each other at the all-star game. whatever that means...
ClemensFan4Life
07-08-04, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by RhodeyYankee2638
I can see a 3 way deal, perhaps involving LA. LA gets Nomar and ships out prospects to Zona. Just a thought
Sorta like the same trade scenerio I wrote up a couple of days ago:
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?postid=1388834#post1388834
docsteve
07-08-04, 12:11 PM
Originally posted by B in ALB
on top of that, on mike and mike on espnradio this morning, they stated that the two wives are "sitting" next to each other at the all-star game. whatever that means...
maybe it takes a ladies hand to soothe the babe and lift the curse
(thats if you believe in curses:rolleyes: :rolleyes: )
19laura
07-08-04, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by Bosox Guy in Chitown
Have you guys considered that the Sox are just driving up the price on Johnson? Or that this is just a bad rumor?
I don't know if that is rumor or not, but it makes good sense to me if I'm Boston. What better way to get to us, by making us spend more money and giving up whatever prospects we have left on the farm.
Laura :NY:
SINCE77 2
07-08-04, 12:30 PM
If Mariano makes the throw to second in 2001, no one on this board fears the Johnson and Schilling combo. Tip your cap to the duo and their 2001 exploits and move on. Its 2004 now and we have a bit more offense then that 2001 team had. Let Boston have Johnson. Greater will be the glory in the end.
Originally posted by SINCE77 2
If Mariano makes the throw to second in 2001, no one on this board fears the Johnson and Schilling combo. Tip your cap to the duo and their 2001 exploits and move on. Its 2004 now and we have a bit more offense then that 2001 team had. Let Boston have Johnson. Greater will be the glory in the end.
well for starters the yankee starters haven't reached the 7th inning in over 2 weeks.
RhodeyYankee2638
07-08-04, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by SINCE77 2
If Mariano makes the throw to second in 2001, no one on this board fears the Johnson and Schilling combo. Tip your cap to the duo and their 2001 exploits and move on. Its 2004 now and we have a bit more offense then that 2001 team had. Let Boston have Johnson. Greater will be the glory in the end.
Did you watch the 2001 World Series??? We didn't hit at all. And throw in the rest of the Sox rotation featuring Pedro and Wakefield. That would make anyone afraid.
WakefieldsCrewSox
07-08-04, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by SINCE77 2
If Mariano makes the throw to second in 2001, no one on this board fears the Johnson and Schilling combo. Tip your cap to the duo and their 2001 exploits and move on. Its 2004 now and we have a bit more offense then that 2001 team had. Let Boston have Johnson. Greater will be the glory in the end.
:lol: You don't think there would still be greater respect for a guy who went 3 times in a 7 game series posting a 1.7 ERA?
RhodeyYankee2638
07-08-04, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by WakefieldsCrewSox
:lol: You don't think there would still be greater respect for a guy who went 3 times in a 7 game series posting a 1.7 ERA?
Exactly what I was thinking.
WakefieldsCrewSox
07-08-04, 12:42 PM
Just my two cents re: RJ....
I'm sure many of you laugh when hearing this theory (and I assume it has been brought up before) but I honestly think that the opportunity to come to Boston and potentially end the losing streak can be a very appealing prospect for guys. If nothing else, imagine the temptation for a guy with a big ego to say he came to Boston and ended it. As a Red Sox fan, I can tell you that that individual, without a doubt in my mind, would be glorified as a hero for the rest of their life in this city. Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure this kind of thing doesn't appeal to everyone. And at the end of the day, the DBacks have to accept a trade to make it happen. But from RJ's perspective, I am sure this IS somewhat of a factor. I'd imagine that selling Boston and selling that possibility are part of the reason why/how Curt and Shonda are involved.
Byung-HyunKimCyYoung
07-08-04, 12:48 PM
If Shonda Shilling lets Mrs Johnson know what its like playing for the Red Sox and becoming a god overnight to title hungry RSNers, it would only make sense for RJ to come here to cap off his career as part of the best 1-2-3 pitching rotation in the history of modern baseball and bring a WS title to the diehards of New England.
Of course, all this might not mean squat to him. There's something to be said for the comfort of being with your family and paid well for your services even if you are on the worst team in baseball.
If the Red Sox get Randy Johnson, I will vomit.
RhodeyYankee2638
07-08-04, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by Pomp
If the Red Sox get Randy Johnson, I will vomit.
Touche
ForceFive
07-08-04, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by Pomp
If the Red Sox get Randy Johnson, I will vomit.
No need for pepto. Because you're most likely not gonna have to worry about it happening.
Byung-HyunKimCyYoung
07-08-04, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by ForceFive
No need for pepto. Because you're most likely not gonna have to worry about it happening.
Buy the pepto just in case.
StatenIslandYankee
07-08-04, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by Pomp
If the Red Sox get Randy Johnson, I will vomit. Same here:barf:
Originally posted by WakefieldsCrewSox
Just my two cents re: RJ....
I'm sure many of you laugh when hearing this theory (and I assume it has been brought up before) but I honestly think that the opportunity to come to Boston and potentially end the losing streak can be a very appealing prospect for guys. If nothing else, imagine the temptation for a guy with a big ego to say he came to Boston and ended it. As a Red Sox fan, I can tell you that that individual, without a doubt in my mind, would be glorified as a hero for the rest of their life in this city. Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure this kind of thing doesn't appeal to everyone. And at the end of the day, the DBacks have to accept a trade to make it happen. But from RJ's perspective, I am sure this IS somewhat of a factor. I'd imagine that selling Boston and selling that possibility are part of the reason why/how Curt and Shonda are involved.
Ah, the intangibles that the Red Sox have to offer! ;) :lol:
In all seriousness, I think you're right, but this is not RJ's decision alone. The Angels can make a far better offer to the D-Backs, so I think that they're the front runners, followed very distantly by Boston.
Byung-HyunKimCyYoung
07-08-04, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by KC
Ah, the intangibles that the Red Sox have to offer! ;) :lol:
In all seriousness, I think you're right, but this is not RJ's decision alone. The Angels can make a far better offer to the D-Backs, so I think that they're the front runners, followed very distantly by Boston.
Ultimately though, it all comes down to where Randy wants to go. The ball is in his court as he has veto over any trade.
Originally posted by Byung-HyunKimCyYoung
Ultimately though, it all comes down to where Randy wants to go. The ball is in his court as he has veto over any trade.
Unless the D-Backs would rather keep him than accept Boston's offer.
parkerstrong
07-08-04, 01:27 PM
If Randy goes to Boston, we can kiss this season good-bye. They already have a better rotation than us, with RJ they have 4 aces to throw at us (Wakefield always pitches like an ace against us). Mystic and aura can only take you so far. If the Red Sox get RJ, who do the Yankees get? Smoltz wont be traded-the Braves are only 1.5 games back.
P.S. As much as I love having George as the owner, his move getting Wells continues to hurt us.
SoxFanXL
07-08-04, 01:31 PM
Tony Mazz reported it in the Herald today also... :O
Theo and the Schillings are gonna do all that they can to talk to Randy and the AZ GM at the all-star game..... Theo is a very good talker, i think he could convince Randy without just throwing all the money in his face. Hopefully they can convince him to come win a championship in Boston and become a HERO....
Theo is a really good GM, i trust him whether this works out or not.
BruceCampbellKG7
07-08-04, 01:32 PM
Johnson goes to Anaheim, or goes nowhere
end of story
Just a reminder...
Randy we have a REAL left field...
Originally posted by Bosox Guy in Chitown
As much as I would love the idea of RJ in a Red Sox uniform, and as much as I enjoy watching a few Yankee fans fume over that very real possibility, I seriously doubt this is going to happen.
Have you guys considered that the Sox are just driving up the price on Johnson? Or that this is just a bad rumor?
I am a Yankee fan, I am laughing but slightly embarrassed by this thread and the paranoia being shown by fellow Yankee fans. Randy Johnson will not end up in Boston.......George will not let this happen, end of story. He will send the organizations of Columbus and Trenton to Arizona for Johnson if he has to.
B in ALB
07-08-04, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by Byung-HyunKimCyYoung
If Shonda Shilling lets Mrs Johnson know what its like playing for the Red Sox and becoming a god overnight to title hungry RSNers, it would only make sense for RJ to come here to cap off his career as part of the best 1-2-3 pitching rotation in the history of modern baseball and bring a WS title to the diehards of New England.
Of course, all this might not mean squat to him. There's something to be said for the comfort of being with your family and paid well for your services even if you are on the worst team in baseball.
Perhaps Mrs. Wakefield can enlighten Mrs. Johnson what it's like to have your husband give up the American League clinching home run to a guy whose knee is broken like so many hearts in RSN?
Or maybe Mrs. Little can call up Mrs. Johnson and explain how the faithful and wonderful fans in Boston ran her poor husband out of town on a rail?
Perhaps Mrs. Buckner can get in on a conference call with all three?
Mrs. Clemens, I'm sure, would love to sit down with Mrs. Johnson and discuss the wonder and loyalty that defines what it means to be a member of Red Sawks Nation.
BruceCampbellKG7
07-08-04, 01:37 PM
And if RJ goes to Boston, the next move is simple for the Yankees
Trade someone to Detroit for Marcus Thames
StatenIslandYankee
07-08-04, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by BruceCampbellKG7
And if RJ goes to Boston, the next move is simple for the Yankees
Trade someone to Detroit for Marcus Thames :lol:
BruceCampbellKG7
07-08-04, 01:39 PM
And then we trade for Super Joe McEwing, who does nothing but triple off Randy Johnson...
StatenIslandYankee
07-08-04, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by NYYFAN
Just a reminder...
Randy we have a REAL left field... INDEED
parkerstrong
07-08-04, 01:44 PM
I would trade the farm for Johnson...we can always upgrade the farm using our money with foreign talent. We could use another pitcher to go with Brown/Mussina/Vazquez.
DaPip1998
07-08-04, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by BruceCampbellKG7
And if RJ goes to Boston, the next move is simple for the Yankees
Trade someone to Detroit for Marcus Thames
then bring back Randy Velarde?
B in ALB
07-08-04, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by parkerstrong
I would trade the farm for Johnson...we can always upgrade the farm using our money with foreign talent. We could use another pitcher to go with Brown/Mussina/Vazquez.
Farm? I hope you're talking about Peppridge Farm b/c there is no "farm" left in the Yankees organization.
Originally posted by parkerstrong
I would trade the farm for Johnson...we can always upgrade the farm using our money with foreign talent. We could use another pitcher to go with Brown/Mussina/Vazquez.
Our farm has been traded. We forgot to upgrade it using our money for foreign talent.
We will always have blue chipper prospects, might not have 10 or more, but we'll always have between 2-5. Most of our foreign talent havent been all busts! Just the more notables refuse to go away.
parkerstrong
07-08-04, 02:01 PM
I am aware we dont have much left....that why it is an easy decision to trade whatever we have left for johnson.
Red Sox Fan824
07-08-04, 02:02 PM
sorry for not knowing....but could someone tell me what BDD is?
Question for Sox fans: Do you think signing RJ would have any effect on signing Pedro after the season?
Originally posted by Red Sox Fan824
sorry for not knowing....but could someone tell me what BDD is?
I think it's Boston Dirt Dogs... dunno anything beyond that. I've never visited their site.
RhodeyYankee2638
07-08-04, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by Red Sox Fan824
sorry for not knowing....but could someone tell me what BDD is?
where do you see BDD?
Byung-HyunKimCyYoung
07-08-04, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by KC
Question for Sox fans: Do you think signing RJ would have any effect on signing Pedro after the season?
From the rumors I have heard on EEI and other places, the Red Sox are already working on an extension with Pedro and his agent as we speak.
Byung-HyunKimCyYoung
07-08-04, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by Red Sox Fan824
sorry for not knowing....but could someone tell me what BDD is?
http://www.bostondirtdogs.com
Trust me, I am not shilling for his site. I enjoy the website but I can't stand the guy who runs it.
Red Sox Fan824
07-08-04, 02:18 PM
quote:
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Originally posted by KC
Question for Sox fans: Do you think signing RJ would have any effect on signing Pedro after the season?
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I think it could go either way.....whether they want to keep Petey and have a phenomenal roation, or say that RJ can "replace" (persay) Pedro...we'll see
Thanks, Red Sox Fan824 and Byung-HyunKimCyYoung. Do you guys think Pedro would be at all put-off if the Sox sign RJ?
Red Sox Fan824
07-08-04, 03:11 PM
As KimCyYoung said, there are rumors that a deal is being worked out with Pedro now. Sure, he said no more negotiations....but who knows. I personally have trouble beleiving this deal could really happen...but if it hs a chance, I think RJ will be a priority. Think --- if the deal goes thorugh, then we have Pedro and RJ for this year. If they focus on Pedro and miss out on RJ, then we still have Pedro, but the former rotation looks better! In RSN, focus is being put on THIS YEAR ---- we'll talk about the future after the World Series.
In summary, Pedro will probably be 2nd priority to RJ.
MiamiKat
07-08-04, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by Red Sox Fan824
As KimCyYoung said, there are rumors that a deal is being worked out with Pedro now. Sure, he said no more negotiations....but who knows. I personally have trouble beleiving this deal could really happen...but if it hs a chance, I think RJ will be a priority. Think --- if the deal goes thorugh, then we have Pedro and RJ for this year. If they focus on Pedro and miss out on RJ, then we still have Pedro, but the former rotation looks better! In RSN, focus is being put on THIS YEAR ---- we'll talk about the future after the World Series.
In summary, Pedro will probably be 2nd priority to RJ.
Just curious...what's the feeling in RSN for the future of the team if the Sox get RJ this year and *don't* win the WS???
Will it turn into a rebuilding situation or will the Sox try to re-sign as many of their "good" free agents (Pedro, Tek, etc) as possible to give it another run in 2005?
I'm honestly just curious since so many (most of them Yankees fans!) seem to be practically phoning in a WS victory for the Sox if they sign RJ. I don't mean this at all as a flame. :)
Red Sox Fan824
07-08-04, 03:41 PM
Theo has said he's going to build a team that can compete year in and year out. There will be no rebuilding years.
All I can say is that if the Sox are lucky enough to get RJ, then they might just be lucky enough to win the WS - 20 years in a row. I felt this way about A-Rod, too. The Front Office just doesn't have a history of "pulling the trigger" on these widely publicized trade rumors. We'll see.
Stryder2929
07-08-04, 03:43 PM
how would the sox take an johnsons salary and even THINK about resigning the tons of free agents they have?
i dont see this happening
cubswin
07-08-04, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by B in ALB
Perhaps Mrs. Wakefield can enlighten Mrs. Johnson what it's like to have your husband give up the American League clinching home run to a guy whose knee is broken like so many hearts in RSN?
Or maybe Mrs. Little can call up Mrs. Johnson and explain how the faithful and wonderful fans in Boston ran her poor husband out of town on a rail?
Perhaps Mrs. Buckner can get in on a conference call with all three?
Mrs. Clemens, I'm sure, would love to sit down with Mrs. Johnson and discuss the wonder and loyalty that defines what it means to be a member of Red Sawks Nation.
Wakefield got a ton of support in Boston after last year.
Little was run out of town by the fans? The front office was getting rid of him regardless.
Buckner got screwed. It happens. Not just Sox fans, though -- people all over think he was the goat -- people everywhere are stupid.
loyalty of RSN? what are you talking about? First, Clemens was run out by Duquette, not the fans. He later left NY, too, didn't he, "retiring" -- was that b/c of Yankee fan loyalty? Look at the # of threads here about ARod and Giambi and Mussina being awful, and re jeter during his slump. Bottom line is all fanbases will have fickle contingents. And you know what? They have a reason to be: how many of these multimillionaire players show loyalty when it comes time to re-up and sign? Some certainly do, but most do not -- which is their right, as well -- but let's not act is if they are due some undying devotion just b/c at some point they wear a given uniform.
WakefieldsKnuckler49
07-08-04, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by Stryder2929
how would the sox take an johnsons salary and even THINK about resigning the tons of free agents they have?
i dont see this happening
Simple, RJ replaces Nomar and Lowes salarys next year since they are likely not to be re-signed. And Pedro will likely sign for less than he makes now, so there is more money saved.
And for those who said Schilling "hates" RJ and vice versa, Peter Gammons (i know, i know) was on WEEI this afternoon. He said they were best of friends in the 2001 season. They grew apart a little because RJ is a loner and Schilling is doing so much all the time, but they don't by any means hate each other.
I'm sure Nomar and Pedro would be happy to see a contract extension hammered out for Randy Johnson before theirs is finished.
Freeway96
07-08-04, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by RIyankee
No problem. If the Red Sox get RJ he just become part of the "Curse".
;) :cool:
WOOHOO!!!! that's the yankee spirit! :)
although I must admit... that if this does go down.. not only is it so fackin ON!
but.. this.. my friends.. will be the war of our time! (lotr reference, hehehe)
Originally posted by Red Sox Fan824
In summary, Pedro will probably be 2nd priority to RJ.
Thanks, that's what I was wondering.
YANKEE MAGIC
07-08-04, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by NYYFAN
Just a reminder...
Randy we have a REAL left field...
This has to be the post of the day!
polygon
07-08-04, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by YANKEE MAGIC
This has to be the post of the day!
Yeah, the dumbest post of the day
Freeway96
07-08-04, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by Stryder2929
how would the sox take an johnsons salary and even THINK about resigning the tons of free agents they have?
i dont see this happening
you miss the point stryder... this is *IT* for the redsox
DO OR DIE
they will unload everything because they've marketed THIS YEAR as THE YEAR they break the curse
if unloading their farm system and current players to get RJ on-board and staring losing their players through FA is the price to pay for them winning it this year, their management/ownership has already decided it is worth it
To them... this is the year.. do it now or suffer for the next 100 years
..and you thought we had a sense of urgency? it's nothing compared to what they're going thru over tharrr, the way this season has been marketed.. it's win or die
Red Sox Fan824
07-08-04, 04:51 PM
Amen.
Freeway96
07-08-04, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by Red Sox Fan824
Amen.
but you'll still lose and come 2nd place
why?
just look in front of your uniforms.. see what it says?
Boston
that's all you need to know
WakefieldsCrewSox
07-08-04, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by Freeway96
but you'll still lose and come 2nd place
why?
just look in front of your uniforms.. see what it says?
Boston
that's all you need to know
We jumped the gun... THIS takes the cake as the dumbest post of the day.
WakefieldsCrewSox
07-08-04, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by Stryder2929
how would the sox take an johnsons salary and even THINK about resigning the tons of free agents they have?
i dont see this happening
Lowe won't be resigned regardless.
According to most sources, Nomar will not resign with the Red Sox anyways.
I believe Pedro will resign, but he's not going to get much more than Schilling money (12 Mill/year) because Schill has outpitched him. I think its realistic for him to expect similar to identical money to Schill.
Varitek is the wild card- with Boras, you never know. But if Pudge has a limited market, I don't see how Varitek will draw the top dollar Boras thinks. I also wouldn't be shocked to see Jason take *somewhat* of a discount to stay in Boston.
Bottom line is- I think the Sox go above and beyond previous guidelines or amounts set for the team if it means keeping together a Schilling/RJ/Pedro rotation, at least for the next few years.
Yankee Bulldawg
07-08-04, 05:24 PM
i pray to god this is'nt true, although you know George will try everything in his god given power to prevent RJ from going to Boston.
Brushback45
07-08-04, 05:29 PM
Originally posted by WakefieldsCrewSox
Lowe won't be resigned regardless.
According to most sources, Nomar will not resign with the Red Sox anyways.
I believe Pedro will resign, but he's not going to get much more than Schilling money (12 Mill/year) because Schill has outpitched him. I think its realistic for him to expect similar to identical money to Schill.
That may not be so clear-cut by the end of the season. While I don't disagree Schilling has been the Ace of the staff, right now Pedro has a better K/9, H/9 & BAA. They have an indentical WHIP and Schilling's ERA is 59 points lower than Pedro's at this point. Schilling has two fewer strikeouts in one less start, and should take the lead after tonight's outing.
I'm amazed that Pedro can be better in even some of these other categories when he's hardly pitching a fraction of how great he can be and has allowed 20 of his ER in just 3 starts. He's made 18 out of 18 scheduled starts, and pitched 117.2 IP. I honestly believe he has been taking it easy in the first half to pace himself. It's probably why we weren't seeing his fastball any higher than 91 until June. Well, we are into the 2nd half of the season now and heading for the All-Star Break. It's pennant time, and money time for Pedro. If he pitches like he can, he'll not only end up with better numbers than Schilling, but better numbers than anybody in the American League for that matter.
RhodeyYankee2638
07-08-04, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by Yankee Bulldawg
i pray to god this is'nt true, although you know George will try everything in his god given power to prevent RJ from going to Boston.
George would sell his soul and the souls of all that work for him to prevent RJ from joining Schilling and Pedro. He is still haunted by The Unit and Schil dominating in 2001
Bluesexy's daddy
07-08-04, 05:38 PM
Johnson is pitching and living where he wants to pitch and live. Anything is possible in baseball but I doubt that Johnson will go to boston or NY. If Johnson moves Anaheim seems like the probable cadidate.
We shall soon see.
WakefieldsCrewSox
07-08-04, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by Brushback45
That may not be so clear-cut by the end of the season. While I don't disagree Schilling has been the Ace of the staff, right now Pedro has a better K/9, H/9 & BAA. They have an indentical WHIP and Schilling's ERA is 59 points lower than Pedro's at this point. Schilling has two fewer strikeouts in one less start, and should take the lead after tonight's outing.
I'm amazed that Pedro can be better in even some of these other categories when he's hardly pitching a fraction of how great he can be and has allowed 20 of his ER in just 3 starts. He's made 18 out of 18 scheduled starts, and pitched 117.2 IP. I honestly believe he has been taking it easy in the first half to pace himself. It's probably why we weren't seeing his fastball any higher than 91 until June. Well, we are into the 2nd half of the season now and heading for the All-Star Break. It's pennant time, and money time for Pedro. If he pitches like he can, he'll not only end up with better numbers than Schilling, but better numbers than anybody in the American League for that matter.
Brushback, you make an excellent point. And of course, nothing could really be better for the Sox than having both competing at the top of the league. I guess my perception is that Pedro has to significantly outpitch Schill if he is going to get significantly more money than Schill. While he may end the season with slightly better numbers, given how great Schill has been I find it hard to believe the difference will be that drastic. Of all the free agents, I think that Pedro is the one that the Sox would most like to re-sign. Having two certified aces at the top of your staff goes a long way to ensure success. While I don't want to jinx anything, lost in all of this is the fact that Pedro is currently on pace to pitch a LOT more innings than he has for quite a few years. And while he has not been quite a dominant this year as he has in the past, he has shown no signs of any health problems whatsoever. Both should be viewed as very encouraging signs for both Sox fans and Sox management, if they are looking to resign him.
Brushback45
07-08-04, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by WakefieldsCrewSox
Brushback, you make an excellent point. And of course, nothing could really be better for the Sox than having both competing at the top of the league. I guess my perception is that Pedro has to significantly outpitch Schill if he is going to get significantly more money than Schill. While he may end the season with slightly better numbers, given how great Schill has been I find it hard to believe the difference will be that drastic. Of all the free agents, I think that Pedro is the one that the Sox would most like to re-sign. Having two certified aces at the top of your staff goes a long way to ensure success. While I don't want to jinx anything, lost in all of this is the fact that Pedro is currently on pace to pitch a LOT more innings than he has for quite a few years. And while he has not been quite a dominant this year as he has in the past, he has shown no signs of any health problems whatsoever. Both should be viewed as very encouraging signs for both Sox fans and Sox management, if they are looking to resign him.
Oh, there is no doubt that Pedro will have to take a significantly less amount of money when he signs a contract for next year and beyond. Based on everything he's said, I expect Pedro to re-sign with Boston for a realistic amount and one that accurately decribes his current value. He seems like he genuinely wants to be in Boston. He's made his name in Boston, his family is used to being in Boston, the fans love him, and buddies Manny and Ortiz are locked up for a few more years. He even recently called himself a Bostonian. It's a good fit.
I'm confident Pedro is going to crush that 200 IP barrier this season and get his ERA under 3 by the time it's over. Did you see his huge smile last night when he was interviewed after his outing? He has something up his sleeve... hopefully it isn't an extended... extended All-Star break. :D
Red Sox Fan824
07-08-04, 06:02 PM
This was the NESN pre-game poll:
What are the chances of the Boston Red Sox landing Diamondbacks pitcher Randy Johnson before the July 31st trading deadline?
It's a long shot, but there's an outside chance we get lucky and he wants in on this crazy train.
32.9%
Make it stop! This is going to be the A-Rod fiasco all over again.
20.3%
No shot; RJ wants to stay out west.
19.7%
Pretty good chance. Hey, if Schilling can be persuaded to come to Boston, so can RJ.
14.0%
We're going to get RJ. Theo and the trio learned their lesson with A-Rod and will find a way to close this one.
13.0%
http://www.boston.com/sports/nesn/polls/pregame_poll_redsox
Sofa King Cool
07-08-04, 06:33 PM
http://www.bostondirtdogs.com/2004/RJ_RS.jpg
BDD Cracks me up.
Brushback45
07-08-04, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by Sofa King Cool
http://www.bostondirtdogs.com/2004/RJ_RS.jpg
BDD Cracks me up.
That is Classic BDD.
WebsterMulligan
07-08-04, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by Freeway96
you miss the point stryder... this is *IT* for the redsox
DO OR DIE
they will unload everything because they've marketed THIS YEAR as THE YEAR they break the curse
if unloading their farm system and current players to get RJ on-board and staring losing their players through FA is the price to pay for them winning it this year, their management/ownership has already decided it is worth it
To them... this is the year.. do it now or suffer for the next 100 years
..and you thought we had a sense of urgency? it's nothing compared to what they're going thru over tharrr, the way this season has been marketed.. it's win or die
I think I would be inclined to agree with you. I think Boston is going to go all-out for Johnson. They are also going to keep Nomar ... atleast for the remainder of this season.
WakefieldsCrewSox
07-08-04, 07:37 PM
While I disagree with the assessment that the Sox won't have another realistic chance to win for a long time, I will admit that it seems hard to imagine that they will have the same massive assemblage of talent any time soon. If they were somehow able to acquire RJ, anything short of a title would be considered a gigantic disappointment.
YankeePride1967
07-08-04, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by WakefieldsCrewSox
While I disagree with the assessment that the Sox won't have another realistic chance to win for a long time, I will admit that it seems hard to imagine that they will have the same massive assemblage of talent any time soon. If they were somehow able to acquire RJ, anything short of a title would be considered a gigantic disappointment.
Well if Henry/Lucchino and company are being truthful that they can't support more than $130 million in payroll, they will be in a bad spot. Let's say Boston and Arizona agree to a trade for RJ. I'm more than willing to bet that like in Schilling's case Randy gets another year on his deal at close to the money he's getting now. In 2005, Curt and Randy are another year older now with still another year to go on their contracts in 2006. And Pedro will not take one dime less than Randy or Curt (I know Curt makes $12.5 million, but I believe Randy is over $15 million). THat will be over $40 million on three pitchers, add $20 to Manny and that's $60 million plus for 4 players. Now fill out the other 21 slots with $70 million (and I'm not counting the money to Nixon, Ortiz, Damon, Muellar and the amount needed to resign Varitek). They will have a pitching staff that makes the Yankees look that of the fountain of youth and abstinence from injury and no room to maneuver. And Boston hasn't replaced Nomar yet.
WakefieldsCrewSox
07-08-04, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by GoRocket
Well if Henry/Lucchino and company are being truthful that they can't support more than $130 million in payroll, they will be in a bad spot. Let's say Boston and Arizona agree to a trade for RJ. I'm more than willing to bet that like in Schilling's case Randy gets another year on his deal at close to the money he's getting now. In 2005, Curt and Randy are another year older now with still another year to go on their contracts in 2006. And Pedro will not take one dime less than Randy or Curt (I know Curt makes $12.5 million, but I believe Randy is over $15 million). THat will be over $40 million on three pitchers, add $20 to Manny and that's $60 million plus for 4 players. Now fill out the other 21 slots with $70 million (and I'm not counting the money to Nixon, Ortiz, Damon, Muellar and the amount needed to resign Varitek). They will have a pitching staff that makes the Yankees look that of the fountain of youth and abstinence from injury and no room to maneuver. And Boston hasn't replaced Nomar yet.
Schill and Johnson at 38 and 40 are better than over 95 percent of the league at whatever age. Re: If they have to replace Nomar- Pokey cost $1 million this year. He'll be due for a pay boost, but I doubt it will be anything astronomical.
I highly doubt Pedro will make 15 mill next year. 12-13 I could see happening.
YankeePride1967
07-08-04, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by WakefieldsCrewSox
Schill and Johnson at 38 and 40 are better than over 95 percent of the league at whatever age. Re: If they have to replace Nomar- Pokey cost $1 million this year. He'll be due for a pay boost, but I doubt it will be anything astronomical.
I highly doubt Pedro will make 15 mill next year. 12-13 I could see happening.
Not if Randy is making more. Pedro is very prideful and I don't think he will, nor should he be asked to, take less than Randy. You are right about Schill and johnson, but logic says that they will not be as good as THIS year, and in the two starts Randy made vs. AL teams this year he did not fair well at all (lost to TB and Baltimore). Pokey is a nice player, but a huge drop-off from Nomar. Either they have to pay Pedro a lot and really handcuff themselves, or let him go and in my mind have weaker pitching and weaker offense.
Brushback45
07-08-04, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by GoRocket
Not if Randy is making more. Pedro is very prideful and I don't think he will, nor should he be asked to, take less than Randy. You are right about Schill and johnson, but logic says that they will not be as good as THIS year, and in the two starts Randy made vs. AL teams this year he did not fair well at all (lost to TB and Baltimore). Pokey is a nice player, but a huge drop-off from Nomar. Either they have to pay Pedro a lot and really handcuff themselves, or let him go and in my mind have weaker pitching and weaker offense.
You are on the money with about all of your points. While the thought of a Pedro-Schill-Unit rotation seems like something out of a dream, it would most likely end up creating more problems than the Sox need to make for themselves. Not to mention the uproar if they don't win the World Series. Johnson is pitching on a surgically repaired knee, Schilling has a bad ankle and Martinez has had injury problems his entire career. I could see Pedro taking just above Schilling coin to stay in Boston, but you're right, not if Johnson is already on the team.
YankeePride1967
07-08-04, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by Brushback45
You are on the money with about all of your points. While the thought of a Pedro-Schill-Unit rotation seems like something out of a dream, it would most likely end up creating more problems than the Sox need to make for themselves. Not to mention the uproar if they don't win the World Series. Johnson is pitching on a surgically repaired knee, Schilling has a bad ankle and Martinez has had injury problems his entire career. I could see Pedro taking just above Schilling coin to stay in Boston, but you're right, not if Johnson is already on the team.
Schilling is going to make $12.5 million next year, so that isn't the huge issue, Randy I'm certain is due to make northof $15 million and there is no way Pedro will take less than that. Would they be scary for 2004? Without a doubt, but like others have said it would be go for it all in 2004 or bust.
MaineSoxFan
07-08-04, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by GoRocket
Schilling is going to make $12.5 million next year, so that isn't the huge issue, Randy I'm certain is due to make northof $15 million and there is no way Pedro will take less than that. Would they be scary for 2004? Without a doubt, but like others have said it would be go for it all in 2004 or bust.
It is hard to say, but if this deal happened (which I doubt) I am sure that the Sox management has a plan to stay competitive. The fact that they wouldn't go above a certain amount for A-Rod leads me to believe that they know exactly what they can afford and won't make a trade that they can't afford. Also, if they couldn't resign Pedro but had Schilling and RJ I don't see that as losing much in the pitching department since Pedro is younger but has had a lot of health issues.
YanksDJ1998
07-08-04, 09:27 PM
Nothing would make me more happy than baastan shaastan not winning THIS YEAR . and then wait next 100 yrs :D
BobbyMurcerFan
07-08-04, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by WakefieldsCrewSox
Just my two cents re: RJ....
I'm sure many of you laugh when hearing this theory (and I assume it has been brought up before) but I honestly think that the opportunity to come to Boston and potentially end the losing streak can be a very appealing prospect for guys. If nothing else, imagine the temptation for a guy with a big ego to say he came to Boston and ended it. As a Red Sox fan, I can tell you that that individual, without a doubt in my mind, would be glorified as a hero for the rest of their life in this city. Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure this kind of thing doesn't appeal to everyone. And at the end of the day, the DBacks have to accept a trade to make it happen. But from RJ's perspective, I am sure this IS somewhat of a factor. I'd imagine that selling Boston and selling that possibility are part of the reason why/how Curt and Shonda are involved. I couldn't agree w/ you more! That's why it does just depend on if another team can offer a better deal for RJ. Randy can still nix the better deal to go to Boston.
YankeePride1967
07-08-04, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by MaineSoxFan
It is hard to say, but if this deal happened (which I doubt) I am sure that the Sox management has a plan to stay competitive. The fact that they wouldn't go above a certain amount for A-Rod leads me to believe that they know exactly what they can afford and won't make a trade that they can't afford. Also, if they couldn't resign Pedro but had Schilling and RJ I don't see that as losing much in the pitching department since Pedro is younger but has had a lot of health issues.
Randy and Curt have had health issues as well and are much older. I think if Boston got Randy and won it all this year that Boston fans (who sell out Fenway even in lean years) will still support the team if they were down for a few years. And remember, Curt and Randy (who as I stated I'm sure will demand a contract extension to come) are another year older next year too and yet another year older in 2006.
BobbyMurcerFan
07-08-04, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by WakefieldsCrewSox
While I disagree with the assessment that the Sox won't have another realistic chance to win for a long time, I will admit that it seems hard to imagine that they will have the same massive assemblage of talent any time soon. If they were somehow able to acquire RJ, anything short of a title would be considered a gigantic disappointment. Look, I think Boston should get RJ and keep Nomar. I think that team could make it to the WS. But WIN it :lol:.
MaineSoxFan
07-08-04, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by GoRocket
Randy and Curt have had health issues as well and are much older. I think if Boston got Randy and won it all this year that Boston fans (who sell out Fenway even in lean years) will still support the team if they were down for a few years. And remember, Curt and Randy (who as I stated I'm sure will demand a contract extension to come) are another year older next year too and yet another year older in 2006.
Randy has had health issues, Curt hasn't other than his ankle and he seems to be able to pitch through it. Last year Curt was injured because of a broken hand, that's not like a bum shoulder or something. Regardless, I still think they would be pretty competitive with RJ and Curt anchoring the rotation.
Brushback45
07-08-04, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by MaineSoxFan
Randy has had health issues, Curt hasn't other than his ankle and he seems to be able to pitch through it. Last year Curt was injured because of a broken hand, that's not like a bum shoulder or something. Regardless, I still think they would be pretty competitive with RJ and Curt anchoring the rotation.
Pedro has had a lot of health issues, but he hasn't had a shoulder/elbow related injury since 2001 when he was limited to just 18 starts. He didn't go on the DL in 2002 and should've won the CY that season, he went on last year with a lat strain and so far this season has made all of his scheduled starts and is on pace for well over 200 IP. He's said that he definitely won't be pitching at 40, but that is still eight seasons away. If I had my choice, he'd be locked up just long enough to be eligible for number retirement, see how he performs and what he wants to do, and go from there. What I'm speaking of would mean a 3-year deal.
MaineSoxFan
07-08-04, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by Brushback45
Pedro has had a lot of health issues, but he hasn't had a shoulder/elbow related injury since 2001 when he was limited to just 18 starts. He didn't go on the DL in 2002 and should've won the CY that season, he went on last year with a lat strain and so far this season has made all of his scheduled starts and is on pace for well over 200 IP. He's said that he definitely won't be pitching at 40, but that is still eight seasons away. If I had my choice, he'd be locked up just long enough to be eligible for number retirement, see how he performs and what he wants to do, and go from there. What I'm speaking of would mean a 3-year deal.
Sure, I would like for the Sox to sign Pedro as well but I want them to do what it takes to win it all.
Brushback45
07-08-04, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by MaineSoxFan
Sure, I would like for the Sox to sign Pedro as well but I want them to do what it takes to win it all.
Something I think they can do without Randy Johnson and his fat contract.
indianyanksfan
07-08-04, 09:46 PM
has this been reported in any major place other than the 2 that were mentioned here?
if not, then i wont think about it.
RhodeyYankee2638
07-08-04, 09:47 PM
Can Randy Johnson close?
Freeway96
07-08-04, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by WakefieldsCrewSox
While I disagree with the assessment that the Sox won't have another realistic chance to win for a long time,
...more than eight decades of losing isn't a long time?
face it.. Boston is is shorthand for "second place" :)
rightfielder21
07-08-04, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by BobbyMurcerFan
I couldn't agree w/ you more! That's why it does just depend on if another team can offer a better deal for RJ. Randy can still nix the better deal to go to Boston.
The fact of the matter reamins, up until yesterday many of the same people were saying he would never come to the east coast (Yankees) now it has changed all of a sudden?
Brushback45
07-08-04, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by indianyanksfan
has this been reported in any major place other than the 2 that were mentioned here?
if not, then i wont think about it.
When asked whether the Diamondbacks gave Johnson permission to speak with the Red Sox, Arizona GM Joe Garagiola, Jr. didn't start denying it nearly to the extent of Theo Epstein. He did something else - he laughed.
indianyanksfan
07-08-04, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by rightfielder21
The fact of the matter reamins, up until yesterday many of the same people were saying he would never come to the east coast (Yankees) now it has changed all of a sudden?
yeah and now the panic mode starts. forget randy. he's very happy where he is.
let's just move on already!
indianyanksfan
07-08-04, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by Brushback45
When asked whether the Diamondbacks gave Johnson permission to speak with the Red Sox, Arizona GM Joe Garagiola, Jr. didn't start denying it nearly to the extent of Theo Epstein. He did something else - he laughed.
so what does that mean?
rightfielder21
07-08-04, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by Brushback45
When asked whether the Diamondbacks gave Johnson permission to speak with the Red Sox, Arizona GM Joe Garagiola, Jr. didn't start denying it nearly to the extent of Theo Epstein. He did something else - he laughed.
and where did you get that from?
StatenIslandYankee
07-08-04, 09:52 PM
If they get RJ ... game over yanks
StatenIslandYankee
07-08-04, 09:53 PM
Originally posted by Brushback45
When asked whether the Diamondbacks gave Johnson permission to speak with the Red Sox, Arizona GM Joe Garagiola, Jr. didn't start denying it nearly to the extent of Theo Epstein. He did something else - he laughed. source? link?
rightfielder21
07-08-04, 09:53 PM
Originally posted by StatenIslandYankee
If they get RJ ... game over yanks
Dude you need to relax...
How old are you?
Brushback45
07-08-04, 09:53 PM
Originally posted by indianyanksfan
so what does that mean?
It means that if the Diamondbacks gave Johnson permission to speak to the Red Sox, their own General Manager knew nothing of it. That would seem a little odd... and highly unlikely.
There's no link... I live in Phoenix and read it in the paper. You can goto azcentral.com and try and find it if you are that interested.
rightfielder21
07-08-04, 09:54 PM
Originally posted by Brushback45
It means that if the Diamondbacks gave Johnson permission to speak to the Red Sox, their own General Manager knew nothing of it. That would seem a little odd... and highly unlikely.
There's no link... I live in Phoenix and read it in the paper. You can goto azcentral.com and try and find it if you are that interested.
Well around here links are necessary when making a claim like that, it is the posters responsiblity to provide one...
Freeway96
07-08-04, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by Brushback45
When asked whether the Diamondbacks gave Johnson permission to speak with the Red Sox, Arizona GM Joe Garagiola, Jr. didn't start denying it nearly to the extent of Theo Epstein. He did something else - he laughed.
that means they're definitely talking :) the main thing right now .. the main roadblock.. is RJ himself
he alone will block this trade or finalize it..
the way i see it.. the *only* angle the sox will use to get rj to their team is this angle: be our savior.. if you come on board.. we will win for the first time in over 8 decades.. please come and save our franchise.. don't let anymore redsox generations die, without ever having tasted a world series victory
that's the only angle that may persuade rj to go there.. if they can convince him that with him on-board.. he alone will swing the odds in their favor and end the curse once and for all :)
but as a yankee fan.. even if the trade goes down, i only have this to say: BRING IT ON!
Brushback45
07-08-04, 09:58 PM
That doesn't mean anything.
I'm feeling like a nice guy today....
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamondbacks/0708dbnotes0708.html
LOS ANGELES - Boston GM Theo Epstein shot down a story by a New England television station that reported that the Red Sox received permission to talk to Diamondbacks ace Randy Johnson.
Garagiola spoke with Johnson for more than 50 minutes in the visitor's dugout before Wednesday's game. Garagiola laughed when informed of the story by a reporter.
rightfielder21
07-08-04, 10:00 PM
Thanks for the link.... :)
It isn't anything different than has been reported already...
indianyanksfan
07-08-04, 10:01 PM
Originally posted by Freeway96
that means they're definitely talking :) the main thing right now .. the main roadblock.. is RJ himself
he alone will block this trade or finalize it..
the way i see it.. the *only* angle the sox will use to get rj to their team is this angle: be our savior.. if you come on board.. we will win for the first time in over 8 decades.. please come and save our franchise.. don't let anymore redsox generations die, without ever having tasted a world series victory
that's the only angle that may persuade rj to go there.. if they can convince him that with him on-board.. he alone will swing the odds in their favor and end the curse once and for all :)
but as a yankee fan.. even if the trade goes down, i only have this to say: BRING IT ON!
umm the d-backs gm laughed when asked doesnt it mean that it's not true as well?
i dont even know why we are talking about this.
forget randy on any team except for AZ, at least for now. he's just a pipe dream for everyone.
if anything anaheim has the best bet of getting him becuz since he still has another year on his deal, by going to anaheim he can still be at home during ST instead of in florida like he would if he went to the east coast teams.
Brushback45
07-08-04, 10:01 PM
Originally posted by rightfielder21
Thanks for the link.... :)
It isn't anything different than has been reported already...
Well, you or whoever asked for one, there it is. :)
Brushback45
07-08-04, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by indianyanksfan
umm the d-backs gm laughed when asked doesnt it mean that it's not true as well?
i dont even know why we are talking about this.
forget randy on any team except for AZ, at least for now. he's just a pipe dream for everyone.
if anything anaheim has the best bet of getting him becuz since he still has another year on his deal, by going to anaheim he can still be at home during ST instead of in florida like he would if he went to the east coast teams.
I'm not saying it does or doesn't mean anything. I'm saying what he did when asked about it, and somebody wanted a link. It isn't too confusing. I never claimed to be breaking any news here.
I actually agree. I honestly wish everyone would pipe down about Randy Johnson being moved.
indianyanksfan
07-08-04, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by Brushback45
I'm not saying it does or doesn't mean anything. I'm saying what he did when asked about it, and somebody wanted a link. It isn't too confusing. I never claimed to be breaking any news here.
I actually agree. I honestly wish everyone would pipe down about Randy Johnson being moved.
thanks for the reporting.
and i agree. let's just celebrate our teams' victories and let the gm's worry about randy.
rightfielder21
07-08-04, 10:16 PM
I agree, but the thing that annoys me a bit, is that when it was being reported that the Yankees were going after RJ, many of the same people were putting cold water on the whole thing.... Now that Boston "got involved" they haved him sized up for a uni... I have still yet to see why he would say no to the Yankees, when the main reason he wouldn't come was for the east coast, but he will suddenly go to Boston...
indianyanksfan
07-08-04, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by rightfielder21
I agree, but the thing that annoys me a bit, is that when it was being reported that the Yankees were going after RJ, many of the same people were putting cold water on the whole thing.... Now that Boston "got involved" they haved him sized up for a uni... I have still yet to see why he would say no to the Yankees, when the main reason he wouldn't come was for the east coast, but he will suddenly go to Boston...
BINGO!
RhodeyYankee2638
07-08-04, 10:20 PM
I think the Sox should go after Guardado, but thats just my opinion
Brushback45
07-08-04, 10:21 PM
We are in complete agreement. This RJ talk just gets me anxious, anyway.
ClemensFan4Life
07-08-04, 10:47 PM
Of course the GM will laugh about it. He wants to bring the price up if and when he decides to trade RJ.
Look, if he came out and said "yes, Theo and I have discussed a trade and I've talked to Randy about it", first I would think that they would need MLB permission which i dont think they've gotten yet. And second, if it's indeed the Red Sox that they are discussing this with, after last year's fiasco with A-Rod, Theo will insist that all discussions are kept private, and only one voice from the Sox will be heard, and that's his. Lucchino ruined it last year, i think John Henry learned a lesson and wont make the same mistake twice.
BobbyMurcerFan
07-08-04, 10:50 PM
Originally posted by rightfielder21
I agree, but the thing that annoys me a bit, is that when it was being reported that the Yankees were going after RJ, many of the same people were putting cold water on the whole thing.... Now that Boston "got involved" they haved him sized up for a uni... I have still yet to see why he would say no to the Yankees, when the main reason he wouldn't come was for the east coast, but he will suddenly go to Boston... I think a number of posters have made some pretty persuasive arguments why Boston may have an edge over the Yankees.
BTW, I'm not panicing at all. I think it would be a good move for Boston, but I think the Yankees can handle the competition--and if they can't, fine. I was a Yankees fan during the Mattingly era. If I can root for the Yankees after Andy Hawkins pitches a no hitter for them and still LOSES the game, I deal w/ "Yeee-haaaaw," Theo, RJ, etc..
I'm going to post this in both Randy Johnson threads so forgive me if you see it twice, but given the level of interest...
Tomorrow's Daily News (Friday) will report that RJ has "quietly" told AZ management that he would accept a trade to a contending team, preferably the Yankees. That's all I have, and I guess you'll have to wait until morning for the link. The same story will also suggest that Clemens would accept a trade to the Yankees if/when Houston is completely out of the race...
DiMaggio5CF
07-09-04, 12:39 AM
Originally posted by ed
I'm going to post this in both Randy Johnson threads so forgive me if you see it twice, but given the level of interest...
Tomorrow's Daily News (Friday) will report that RJ has "quietly" told AZ management that he would accept a trade to a contending team, preferably the Yankees. That's all I have, and I guess you'll have to wait until morning for the link. The same story will also suggest that Clemens would accept a trade to the Yankees if/when Houston is completely out of the race...
NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/07-09-2004/front/story/210403p-181323c.html)
Unit contends he'd prefer trade to Yanks
By BILL MADDEN
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Very quietly, Randy Johnson has told the Arizona Diamondbacks that he would waive his no-trade clause in order to pitch out his final years for a contender, most preferably the Yankees, the Daily News has learned.
And apparently, it is becoming a similar case with another 40-year-old future Hall of Famer - Roger Clemens - in Houston.
Johnson
Clemens
Brown
Moose
Vaz
hmmm ;)
Dooley Womack
07-09-04, 02:48 AM
From the article:
"According to a report in the Providence Journal quoting unnamed sources, Johnson has said that he would be willing to go to an East Coast team, but that the Yankees would be far more preferable to him than the Red Sox. The quiet, introverted Johnson and outspoken Red Sox righthander Curt Schilling were never especially close during their time together as the twin aces of the Diamondbacks rotation that was largely responsible for beating the Yankees in the 2001 World Series."
Woooooooooonderful...........
BobbyMurcerFan
07-09-04, 04:02 AM
Originally posted by los
Johnson
Clemens
Brown
Moose
Vaz
hmmm ;) YEEEEE-HAWWWW!!!
StatenIslandYankee
07-09-04, 04:50 AM
Originally posted by Dooley Womack
From the article:
"According to a report in the Providence Journal quoting unnamed sources, Johnson has said that he would be willing to go to an East Coast team, but that the Yankees would be far more preferable to him than the Red Sox. The quiet, introverted Johnson and outspoken Red Sox righthander Curt Schilling were never especially close during their time together as the twin aces of the Diamondbacks rotation that was largely responsible for beating the Yankees in the 2001 World Series."
Woooooooooonderful...........
IF you thought the 2003 ALCS GAME 7 was HUGE, you have not seen
2004 GAME 7
Curt Schilling vs Randy Johnson
BobbyMurcerFan
07-09-04, 06:10 AM
I must be dense, I don't see how this happens, even in joking way?
YankeePride1967
07-09-04, 06:12 AM
Originally posted by MaineSoxFan
Randy has had health issues, Curt hasn't other than his ankle and he seems to be able to pitch through it. Last year Curt was injured because of a broken hand, that's not like a bum shoulder or something. Regardless, I still think they would be pretty competitive with RJ and Curt anchoring the rotation.
Curt did have major arm surgery about 5 years back. I know it's a long time ago, but worth mentioning. Yes they would be competitive, but I don't think a year older and with the players they would lose that they would be competing for a ring.
MaineSoxFan
07-09-04, 06:32 AM
Originally posted by DiMaggio5CF
And apparently, it is becoming a similar case with another 40-year-old future Hall of Famer - Roger Clemens - in Houston.
I had no problem with Clemens coming out of "retirement" to pitch at home, but if he is willing to leave that is just pathetic. At that point, why did he even bother to leave?
MaineSoxFan
07-09-04, 06:34 AM
Originally posted by GoRocket
Curt did have major arm surgery about 5 years back. I know it's a long time ago, but worth mentioning. Yes they would be competitive, but I don't think a year older and with the players they would lose that they would be competing for a ring.
I just don't think that surgery that long ago when he has shown that he is if anything stronger is too relevant. I don't know that they would lose anyone other than Pedro if they brought in RJ. Essentially, without knowing the intricacies of the financial situation, they could not resign Pedro and be in the same situation that they would have been if they had Pedro and not RJ.
NDBoston
07-09-04, 07:08 AM
Originally posted by Dooley Womack
From the article:
"According to a report in the Providence Journal quoting unnamed sources, Johnson has said that he would be willing to go to an East Coast team, but that the Yankees would be far more preferable to him than the Red Sox. The quiet, introverted Johnson and outspoken Red Sox righthander Curt Schilling were never especially close during their time together as the twin aces of the Diamondbacks rotation that was largely responsible for beating the Yankees in the 2001 World Series."
Woooooooooonderful...........
That's not in the paper today and I read that paper online everyday.
YankeeFan1
07-09-04, 08:45 AM
Originally posted by NDBoston
That's not in the paper today and I read that paper online everyday. It is probably this article: http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo_20040709_09sean.13ad51.html
ring403
07-10-04, 08:03 AM
"Sources say Big Unit would waive no-trade clause to play in NY, with both local teams on his acceptable list."
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spunit103887691jul10,0,6300828.story?coll=ny-yankees-print
sugmasterflex
07-10-04, 08:23 AM
What would the Sox give up for Johnson? They don't have much in their system.
MaineSoxFan
07-10-04, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by sugmasterflex
What would the Sox give up for Johnson? They don't have much in their system.
Not sure, the talk has been Shoppach, Youkilis, Alvarez or maybe a lower level prospect. The thing is neither the Sox or the Yankees have the prospects to compete with Anaheim. Depends what Arizona wants.
YeboManny
07-10-04, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by sugmasterflex
What would the Sox give up for Johnson? They don't have much in their system.
I heard that the deal was nomar lowe and youk for RJ.
too much or too little, im interested to hear what you yank fans think?
Originally posted by YeboManny
I heard that the deal was nomar lowe and youk for RJ.
too much or too little, im interested to hear what you yank fans think?
Doesn't make sense to me. Nomar and Lowe are both making pretty good money now, and they'll be FA's at the end of the year. AZ wants to go younger and cheaper.
sugmasterflex
07-10-04, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by KC
Doesn't make sense to me. Nomar and Lowe are both making pretty good money now, and they'll be FA's at the end of the year. AZ wants to go younger and cheaper.
Ditto.
twentyquestions
07-10-04, 06:22 PM
it could be a 3-way trade - nomar to a contending NL team for prospects which would go to AZ.
WakefieldsKnuckler49
07-10-04, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by twentyquestions
it could be a 3-way trade - nomar to a contending NL team for prospects which would go to AZ.
I had an idea in my head that is probably pretty dumb, but it can't be much worse than some post here.
Dodgers get: Nomar and Abe Alverez
Red Sox get: Randy Johnson
DBacks get: Youkillis and Dodgers prospects
I know that RJ probably won't waive his no trade to come to the east coast, but if he did, this trade would make sense.
Just thought I would throw it out there.
I don't want to trade Nomar, but for RJ I don't think I would mind as much.
cubswin
07-10-04, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by YeboManny
I heard that the deal was nomar lowe and youk for RJ.
too much or too little, im interested to hear what you yank fans think?
too much (Sox fan). bad enough to lose Youk, but I can tolerate that. losing Nomar significantly hurts the team.
ring403
07-10-04, 10:59 PM
Originally posted by cubswin
too much (Sox fan). bad enough to lose Youk, but I can tolerate that. losing Nomar significantly hurts the team.
I agree that it's too high a price, but as has been pointed out, the D-Backs would be looking for young, cheap talent. In order for this suggested trade to work, there would have to be a third team involved.
I'm curious to see what happens if, as rumored, RJ wants an extension done before approving a trade. How much would Boston, the Yanks, Anaheim, etc. be willing to give up in terms of talent in addition to having to give Randy a big multi-year deal?
JavyVazquezIsSick
07-10-04, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by ring403
How much would Boston, the Yanks, Anaheim, etc. be willing to give up in terms of talent in addition to having to give Randy a big multi-year deal?
I only know one owner crazy enough to do that...:lol:
Byung-HyunKimCyYoung
07-10-04, 11:17 PM
Originally posted by YeboManny
I heard that the deal was nomar lowe and youk for RJ.
too much or too little, im interested to hear what you yank fans think?
Honestly, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
JavyVazquezIsSick
07-10-04, 11:23 PM
Originally posted by Byung-HyunKimCyYoung
Honestly, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
I would too....
Originally posted by Byung-HyunKimCyYoung
Honestly, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
Yeah, it think if the starting three of your rotation is RJ, CS, and PM, you're not going to miss Nomar.
ring403
07-10-04, 11:33 PM
If I was Theo, I'd be calling the Dodgers about trading Nomar and prospects for Odalis Perez.
SINCE77 2
07-10-04, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by ring403
If I was Theo, I'd be calling the Dodgers about trading Nomar and prospects for Odalis Perez.
Actually, if I was Cashman, I would be looking to acquire Perez. The Dodgers owe us one for taking that Brown contract off of their hands and giving them a recently resurgent Jeff Weaver.
ring403
07-11-04, 12:04 AM
Originally posted by SINCE77 2
Actually, if I was Cashman, I would be looking to acquire Perez. The Dodgers owe us one for taking that Brown contract off of their hands and giving them a recently resurgent Jeff Weaver.
I'd love to have Perez, but the Yanks don't have the big bat that L.A. would want.
cubswin
07-11-04, 12:04 AM
Originally posted by cubswin
too much (Sox fan). bad enough to lose Youk, but I can tolerate that. losing Nomar significantly hurts the team.
and I probably should clarify: were I Theo and could do that deal, I would first let Nomar know that they want to sign him, give him a final offer, and let him make that decision. If he doesn't want to sign, then OK, since he's gone at the end of the year and we get another dominant staring pitcher. If he signs, then no deal.
SINCE77 2
07-11-04, 12:19 AM
Originally posted by ring403
I'd love to have Perez, but the Yanks don't have the big bat that L.A. would want.
Thats the beauty of a three way trade. We give Houston prospects, they send Beltran to LA and we get Perez. Beltran will go to FA anyway, so we can pick him up if we want then.
JavyVazquezIsSick
07-11-04, 12:42 AM
Originally posted by SINCE77 2
Thats the beauty of a three way trade. We give Houston prospects, they send Beltran to LA and we get Perez. Beltran will go to FA anyway, so we can pick him up if we want then.
Odalis isn't going anywhere until he reaches FA, he is LA's top starter and they are in 1st place....
SINCE77 2
07-11-04, 01:36 AM
Originally posted by JavyVazquezIsSick
Odalis isn't going anywhere until he reaches FA, he is LA's top starter and they are in 1st place....
Kinda sad isn't it?
StatenIslandYankee
07-12-04, 06:19 AM
Glavine will be on Big Unit's tail
"While most people around baseball believe it's an inevitability that Randy Johnson will be pitching in Yankee pinstripes before too long, some Mets are holding out hope that the Big Unit could be persuaded to stay in the National League, and perhaps even accept a trade to Flushing."
Source (http://www.nj.com/mets/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/108961877927330.xml)
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