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Don Mack
12-21-03, 04:57 PM
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dallas/sports/topstories/stories/122103dnspoarod.61a95.html

New A-Rod trade deadline: Dec. 25 Hicks continues talks with Red Sox, but there's still no deal

11:45 AM CST on Sunday, December 21, 2003

By EVAN GRANT / The Dallas Morning News

And so the wait goes on.

Rangers owner Tom Hicks continued conversing with his Boston counterparts Saturday, but still with no resolution in sight to the Alex Rodriguez affair.

Hicks has compromised on the Rangers' financial demands to make a Rodriguez-for-Manny Ramirez trade a reality, and Rodriguez and the Players Association have compromised on how much in monetary givebacks they are willing to accept.

But the Rangers, according to a club source, continue to wait to see if Boston will up its offer of cash sent back to the Rangers after the deal is completed. The teams are $7 million to $10 million apart. The Rangers had been seeking $25 million back in cash relief, but lowered that demand to $15 million by the weekend.

The Rangers' latest deadline for getting a deal done or moving on is Christmas. It's the team's third deadline. They wanted to know something by the end of the winter meetings Monday and then again Thursday. Though both deadlines passed, the clubs have continued to work on the deal.

Meanwhile, Rodriguez's agent, Scott Boras, headed back to California after four days of negotiating with the Players Association. Boras blamed the Rangers and Red Sox for not getting the deal done.

"We worked very hard on this deal," Boras told The Associated Press. "Alex has done everything he can to show his good faith by committing $13 million. The two sides were $20 million apart. You would think mutual concessions by both teams would allow this deal to happen."

The Rangers don't want to wait much longer to make a deal because the free-agent marketis dwindling. The Rangers are hopeful they could land shortstop Rich Aurilia and pitcher Sidney Ponson if given enough savings in the deal.

Aurilia, according to reports, is hesitant to switch from the NL to the AL. Seattle, Toronto and Colorado have all had conversations with him. Ponson could be headed back to Baltimore, where he started his career.

Cordero offered arbitration

As expected, the Rangers tendered reliever Francisco Cordero a contract on Saturday. Cordero was the only significant player on whom the Rangers faced a decision about potentially going to arbitration.

Outfielder Jason Tyner, claimed off waivers from Tampa Bay, was not tendered a contract but is expected to sign a minor league contract this week.

The non-tender market, however, may be an avenue for the Rangers to shop for pitching help. Several intriguing pitchers also became free agents on Saturday when their clubs failed to tender them contracts. Mark Redman, whom the Rangers discussed with Florida before he was sent to Oakland, was non-tendered by the A's; right-handed reliever Danys Baez, whom GM John Hart signed while with Cleveland, was cut loose by the Indians; and Jason Johnson, who has had a lot of success at The Ballpark in Arlington, was let go by Baltimore.

Briefly ...

Outfielder Rusty Greer, who won't play in 2004 while recovering from a multitude of injuries, is already having more problems with his surgically repaired left shoulder and elbow. He'll undergo a series of MRI exams shortly after the first of the year to determine if more surgery is necessary. ... The Yankees did not tender outfielder David Dellucci a contract, which could make him interesting to the Rangers. The clubs had some low-level talks about Dellucci, a favorite of manager Buck Showalter's dating to their days together in Arizona, before the winter meetings. ... Left-hander Mike Bacsik, whose father pitched for the Rangers from 1975-77, has signed a minor league deal. Bacsik, a 26-year-old Duncanville High graduate, was 1-1 with a 10.19 ERA in five games (three starts) for the New York Mets in 2003.

E-mail egrant@dallasnews.com

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Now remember, we already got our Christmas present. George went out and got us Kenny Lofton. :rolleyes: Thanks, George.

bakntime
12-21-03, 05:26 PM
It's clear these guys don't understand the definition of "deadline".

What they should really call it is a "date that I hope, by specifying, will scare you into giving me what I'm asking you for"

yecul
12-21-03, 05:44 PM
No, it's just that you do not understand what the deadline was about. It was only about contract talks. Texas and Boston can talk about an ARod-Manny deal for the next three years if they wanted. No one can stop it.

ring403
12-21-03, 06:06 PM
:snooze:

bakntime
12-21-03, 07:05 PM
Originally posted by yecul
No, it's just that you do not understand what the deadline was about. It was only about contract talks. Texas and Boston can talk about an ARod-Manny deal for the next three years if they wanted. No one can stop it.

What? :confused: That's not what I'm talking about. I understand the situation completely. Read the article above. Hicks and the Rangers keep throwing around the word deadline, but no deadline ever actually arrives.




The Rangers' latest deadline for getting a deal done or moving on is Christmas. It's the team's third deadline. They wanted to know something by the end of the winter meetings Monday and then again Thursday. Though both deadlines passed, the clubs have continued to work on the deal.

Don Mack
12-21-03, 07:43 PM
Bakntime wrote: "It's clear these guys don't understand the definition of "deadline"."
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I wish my boss at work would have this understanding of deadline. Then, when I can't finish what I'm doing he'll say, "Well okay then, I'm going to give you a new deadline, two weeks from today."

How about if credit cards companies worked the same way. When they have a payment due date of December 26th and you don't meet it, they could just push it back a little further, AT NO EXTRA CHARGE. Yeah, sure.

Yankee Bulldawg
12-21-03, 08:19 PM
Gee, yet the latest deadline well to be honest i dont really give a crap anymore.

pacewon
12-21-03, 10:07 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1691819


Sunday, December 21, 2003

Associated Press

ARLINGTON, Texas -- Texas owner Tom Hicks set a Tuesday deadline for a trade of Alex Rodriguez to Boston, saying the MVP shortstop will remain with the Rangers if a deal isn't completed by then.

Team spokesman Gregg Elkin said Sunday night that Hicks set a deadline of 5 p.m. EST Tuesday. Hicks told general manager John Hart to build toward next season with Rodriguez in his plans if a trade doesn't happen by then.

"This is a critical time in the offseason for us. There are a lot of non-tenders on the market and we have to make decisions," Hicks said on the Rangers Web site. "We have to lock in and make plans for this season."

Phone messages left for Hicks and an e-mail sent to the owner were not immediately responded to.

Scott Boras, Rodriguez's agent, said Hicks called him Sunday to inform him of the deadline for the trade, which would send outfielder Manny Ramirez to Texas.

Rodriguez's $252 million, 10-year contract has seven years and $179 million remaining. During negotiations last week, the players' association said the agreement could be restructured but not reduced, and rejected Boston's proposal, which the union said would cut $28 million to $30 million.

Instead, the union said it would approve a change that would lower Rodriguez's contract by $12 million to $13 million in exchange for him getting the right to use Boston's logo and trademarks in marketing deals. In addition, he would be able to become a free agent after the 2005 season.

"The parties have $13 million from Alex that they know they have to work with. They didn't know that before last week. That should be a real benefit," Boras said. "I think we've done our work being able to define exactly what restructuring means for Alex and the Boston Red Sox."

Red Sox president Larry Lucchino proclaimed the trade "dead" Thursday, blaming the players' association for not approving the steeper reduction. Texas also blamed the union, but Hart wasn't prepared to say talks were over.

Ramirez is baseball's only other $20 million-a-year player, and his $160 million, eight-year contract has five years and $97.5 million remaining. If the deal goes through, the Red Sox presumably would then trade longtime shortstop Nomar Garciaparra, possibly to the Chicago White Sox.

Rich
12-21-03, 10:17 PM
How many "deadlines" have there been so far? http://deephousepage.com/smilies/confused.gif

ClemensFan4Life
12-22-03, 08:02 AM
Anyone here think that the deal's basically done and that it will be announced no later than 5 pm tomorrow and that Hicks is just throwing it out there to safe face at the fact that he's basically caved in with the money demands?

Michaels07
12-22-03, 10:07 AM
BAH HUMBUG, BED BUGS UNDER THE RED SOX CHRISTMAS TREE.

TinoBambino
12-22-03, 10:29 AM
Why even bother with the deadline?

YankyDave
12-22-03, 10:39 AM
Deadline-n. A time limit, as for payment of a debt or completion of an assignment.

I guess like the word "rivalry", folks in Boston also don't get this one.

yecul
12-22-03, 10:52 AM
This whole thing is pretty funny.

It'll happen.

Not it won't.

Yes it will.

Will not.

Will too.

Pffft... you smell.

I know what you are, but what am I?

Won't happen...

Repeat.

yanksrule69
12-22-03, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by bakntime
It's clear these guys don't understand the definition of "deadline".


Maybe they have a special dictionary.
I wonder if "retirement" is in that dictionary. Must be the one Michael Jordan and Clemens read.:rolleyes:

Irascible Yankee Fan
12-22-03, 12:13 PM
I heard ( no link) on the radio that A-Rod is now pissed at Lucchino over comments made about A-Rod and his wife.

Now, I hope he goes and is then miserable with Red Sox management, and then it affects his on field performance...it would serve them all right!
:D

bakntime
12-22-03, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by Irascible Yankee Fan
I heard ( no link) on the radio that A-Rod is now pissed at Lucchino over comments made about A-Rod and his wife.


http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54689

derekjeter916
12-22-03, 07:22 PM
dead·line

A time limit, as for payment of a debt or completion of an assignment.


http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=deadline

Hear that? A time limit. As in one. I'm getting sick of these multiple "deadlines" for the deal.

bakntime
12-22-03, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by derekjeter916
dead·line

A time limit, as for payment of a debt or completion of an assignment.


http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=deadline

Hear that? A time limit. As in one. I'm getting sick of these multiple "deadlines" for the deal.

Yup. Texas is just using it as a scare tactic, hoping that Boston will alleviate some of their money issues.

derekjeter916
12-22-03, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by bakntime


Yup. Texas is just using it as a scare tactic, hoping that Boston will alleviate some of their money issues.

I think it might work better if there hadn't been three or four deadlines already. But you're right, it could still be making Boston nervous.

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