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Soriambi
03-26-03, 04:26 PM
A trade which sent Randy Johnson and Byung-Hyun Kim from the Larrupin Lous to the Senators in exchange for Pedro Martinez and John Smoltz was completed just a moment ago.

The trade, agreed to in principal by managers terry14420 and Big_E, will be official when the pitchers take their physicals this coming Sunday. Randy Johnson has already agreed to waive his partial no-trade clause, which had the Senators listed, in exchange for a 1 million dollar buy-out of the terms. The Senators now have Ugi Urbina, Matt Anderson, and perhaps Kim as their three relievers, although Kim is projected to start this year for the Arizona Diamondbacks. This also opens up the opportunity for the Senators to try to deal a pitcher or two to upgrade their infield.

"While we are a bit concerned about Pedro's fragile arm as well as his attitude, we believe that he will stay healthy this year and that being out of the Senator's clubhouse might just help him. We had a chance to get Pedro and the man who we believe is the best closer in the game, John Smoltz and we weren't going to let it pass us by." pretendsaid Lou GM Big_E.


An Unnamed Dimagg Division GM was quoted as saying, "Man, there's no way i give up both Pedro and Johnny. Those two guys can anchor your whole staff for a year, if their health stays up. Randy is a prime stud, and can help a lot too, but you're giving up 20 wins, and 55 saves for 24 wins and who knows what from Kim? Kim had 3 losses last year, which are now a penalty. As a starter, i'd expect that to go up some."

ADVANTAGE OF TRADE: LARRUPIN LOUS (slight)
Pedro, if he stays healthy, which we must assume, is not THAT much of a downgrade of Johnson. While Johnson is league's better than anyone else, Pedro might well be number two in the league when he's healthy. It is unknown how Kim will react to starting, but Smoltz is already a proven bullpen commodity. The trade very well could end up benefiting the Senators, but assuming that everyone stays healthy and performs up to their standards, the Lous got the better half of the deal, but not by much at all BECAUSE of Pedro's injury risk. If both Pedro and RJ stay healthy, the Lous have the clear advantage.

Bozidar
03-26-03, 04:32 PM
That don't seem like a very good deal for Senators.

Kim is a starter this year, but their 5th starter. Pedro's a stud who could have just as good a year as Randy, and Smotz is a top-stud closer.

This one all depends on how the year runs itself out, it's a risk. If pedro has a half-year, it works out for the senators, if he has a full year, it's heavily in favor of the Lous.

terry14420
03-26-03, 04:37 PM
Go ahead. Step on me! Use me! You're all the same!:( :NY:

Bozidar
03-26-03, 04:46 PM
How much is a save worth? 5 points?

Smoltz had 55 last year.. that's like having 27.5 wins. Stud, Stud, Stud.

I can't object to this one, because there's too many variables.. but i can say, as an unidentified Dimag division GM : "Man, there's no way i give up both Pedro and Johnny. Those two guys can anchor your whole staff for a year, if their health stays up. Randy is a prime stud, and can help a lot too, but you're giving up 20 wins, and 55 saves for 24 wins and who knows what from Kim? Kim had 3 losses last year, which are now a penalty. As a starter, i'd expect that to go up some."

Big_E
03-26-03, 06:16 PM
In defense of Terry, who I worked with all week on this trade...Kim replaces a weak #4/5 pitcher on his roster and he was a starter his whole life before coming to the D-Backs.

The TSN Values:

Johnson: $42, Kim $22 = $64
Pedro $43, Smoltz $25 = $68.

Pretty darn even :) And the points earned last year was 200+ more by Johnson/Kim than Martinez/Smoltz. I think at the end of the season, this will have been a pretty even swap. I think Kim can earn 13-15 wins this year.

And judging by some of the comments in the "2nd Annual "What Month Will Pedro's Arm Fall Off?" thread, Terry may have pulled off the biggest swindle since Enron. ;)

terry14420
03-26-03, 06:42 PM
:smokin:

Yankchic22
03-26-03, 10:30 PM
Kim is starting this year?

Soriambi
03-26-03, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by Yankchic22
Kim is starting this year?

Yup, he's slated to be Arizona's #5 SP. :)

Ansky39
03-27-03, 11:44 AM
good deal... for the lous...

bit of a risk, for the senators... good luck...

no objection from me... :smokin:

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