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Jersey Yankee
09-23-01, 11:52 PM
Here's Bill Gallo's article (http://www.nydailynews.com/today/Metro_Sports/Baseball/a-126118.asp):

Whitey Throws Some Curves in Yank List

First, I'd like to say this: If, we of WWII were "The Greatest Generation," then we've got company; the generation that's performing today is simply outstanding.

Now, back to my old familiar sports caboose where the wheels still turn.

A few weeks ago, I was going to tell you about a book that two of my friends have just put out. I can do it now. The book is by Whitey Ford with Phil Pepe, an old colleague of mine here at the Daily News.

Many times I've been asked, "Whatever happened to Phil Pepe?" Well, folks, the former sports columnist is doing very well as a broadcaster on WCBS-FM radio.

Whitey and I go way back to the sandlot days in Astoria. He says in his book, "I was born in New York, a few miles from Yankee Stadium." But it was as a teenager that he played first base for the 34th Ave. Boys in Astoria. We played the same sandlots, but I was on another team and it's vague in my mind if we ever played against one another. His team was a champion and always had a strong reputation during the years before WWII.

One time at a dinner we were both at, Whitey took the mike and proclaimed, "In those sandlot days, I was a better hitter than Gallo." He got no argument from me. He was a lefthanded hitting first baseman, and as I recall, he'd punch those liners over short and was one of the better hitters in the neighborhood. Well, he wasn't too bad a hitter in the majors, either.

Now, the book: It's called "Few And Chosen — Defining Yankee Greatness Across The Eras."

It's a fine book and for anyone interested in baseball, especially Yankee fans, it's one that definitely belongs in your bookshelf with your favorite sports books.

It is a quick read and from cover to cover it is all baseball, melded with insights on the Yankees he played with — from Yogi Berra, who first caught him to Elston Howard, who was the last to handle his array of good stuff.

Being something of a baseball historian, Ford tells you about old stars such as Lou Gehrig, Tony Lazzeri, Joe Gordon, Bob Meusel, DiMag and the Babe.

You will get a big kick out of seeing who his all-time Yankee Team is. He goes through the entire team, starting with catcher. Who does he pick? Yogi, of course. He goes down the list with Bill Dickey second followed by Thurman Munson, Howard and Jorge Posada.

About catchers he quotes Yogi as only Yogi can be quoted: "Bill Dickey is teaching me all his experiences," says the Yog.

Whitey also has his eyes on today's Yankees. His first baseman is Lou Gehrig, but Tino Martinez makes the fourth slot. Yes, Don Mattingly is the second choice.

Whitey's top second baseman is Lazzeri, followed by Gordon, but at short he goes for Derek Jeter over Rizzuto. He has this accolade for the Scooter, though: "I saw him bail me out many times with his brilliant plays at short."

For his money, Whitey picks Casey Stengel as the best of all Yankee managers. Ford had great respect for Casey — mainly because, "everything that Stengel promised, he delivered."

After Stengel, Whitey puts Joe McCarthy followed by Joe Torre, Ralph Houk and Billy Martin (tied for fourth) and Miller Huggins.

I imagine the toughest time he had was in picking his center fielder. There's Joe D, of course, but roaming that real estate also was his good friend Mickey Mantle.

Who does he pick? Did you say Joe D?

Well, you may or not be surprised, but you'll have to buy the book to find out.

TinoFan84
09-28-01, 11:14 AM
Thanks for that. My dad is a huge Whitey Ford fan so I'll have to get him the book - plus I'll want to read it to see the pick for centerfield.

Jersey Yankee
10-01-01, 04:09 PM
Ah, finally someone responded. I'm going to have to get it also. Hope you and your Dad enjoy the pleasant reading. Bill Gallo is very old school, even drew pictures of Joltin' Joe and when Joe requested originals, they were sent right over.

Enjoy.

JY

Jersey Yankee
02-18-03, 10:21 PM
Even though the NY Daily News article is no longer linked, due to a change in their online format, I've decided to resurrect this thread, since excerpts are available in case anyone wishes to lurk:

http://www.pubdim.net/baseballlibrary/excerpts/few_and_chosen.stm

JDPNYY
02-19-03, 08:08 PM
Some old Posts never die. :D


I read the book, it's a pretty good read.

Here is his list (summarized by me):

Catcher
Berra
Dickey
Munson
Howard
Posada

1st Base
Gehrig
Mattingly
Skowron
Chambliss
T. Martinez

2nd Base
Lazzeri
Gordon
Richardson
Randolph
Coleman
(McDougald - he says that Gil could have made the top 5 for 2nd Base, SS, or 3B, so he'll make him the top utility guy)

SS
Jeter
Rizzuto
Kubek
Crosetti
Koenig

3rd Base
Nettles
Rolfe
Boyer
Boggs
Dugan

LF
Winfield
Meusel
Keller
R. White
Bauer/Woodling

CF
Dimaggio
Mantle
B. Williams
Combs
Rivers

RF
Ruth
R. Jackson
Maris
O'Neill
Henrich

RHP
Ruffing
Reynolds
Raschi
Stottlemyre
Hoyte

LHP
Gomez
Guidry
Pennock
Lopat
Pettitte
(Ford - he did not include himself - but Whitey is definitely # 1 here)

Relief Pitcher
Rivera
Gossage
Lyle
Righetti
Page

Manager
Stengel
McCarthy
Torre
Houk/Martin
Huggins

Jersey Yankee
02-19-03, 08:23 PM
JD, great stuff!!! I'm so happy that this wasn't posted all f/naught. Nice list, dude!!!
:D :)

Yanksince66
02-19-03, 09:16 PM
JDP, is that Ford's list? As if it were possible, he jumped up a couple of notches in my estimation. The only place I'd nitpick is, I'd rate Randolph ahead of Richardson. The rest is pretty darn perceptive, IMO.

Good go, Whitey!

JDPNYY
02-20-03, 06:53 AM
Originally posted by Yanksince66
JDP, is that Ford's list? As if it were possible, he jumped up a couple of notches in my estimation. The only place I'd nitpick is, I'd rate Randolph ahead of Richardson. The rest is pretty darn perceptive, IMO.

Good go, Whitey!


Yes, that was Whitey's list.

The book goes into detail on each player, I just summarized his list.

Big_E
02-20-03, 10:25 AM
Whitey shows why he is still the "Chairman of the Board".

I have a book from many years ago, "Whitey and Mickey", was an interesting read as a kid, and treasured as the last thing my grandfather gave me before he passed away a few weeks later.

marcus51
02-23-03, 09:38 AM
In '61, it seemed liked Whitey could not lose.

I am surprised that Luis Arroyo is not listed under Relief Pitchers, because, in 1961 in particular, Arroyo relived Whitey many times. I believe his 61 appearnces in '61, was an MLB record at the time

In case anyone is unsure, the "R. White" listed under LF is ROY White, not Rondell.:)

marcus51
02-25-03, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by marcus51
In '61, it seemed liked Whitey could not lose.

I am surprised that Luis Arroyo is not listed under Relief Pitchers, because, in 1961 in particular, Arroyo relived Whitey many times. I believe his 61 appearnces in '61, was an MLB record at the time.
I looked it up. It was 65 appearances, which led the league.

Jersey Yankee
02-25-03, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by marcus51
I looked it up. It was 65 appearances, which led the league. He also led the league in Saves w/29: http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/arroylu01.shtml

Sultans of Swing
02-26-03, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by Yanksince66
JDP, is that Ford's list? As if it were possible, he jumped up a couple of notches in my estimation. The only place I'd nitpick is, I'd rate Randolph ahead of Richardson. The rest is pretty darn perceptive, IMO.

Good go, Whitey!

I bought the book a few months back, and my thoughts were the same, he really rates everyone very well. There's so much about each player listed though, and interesting stories about the ones he played with, that make it well worth buying.

It also puts into perspective just how good the dynasty has been in the last half a decade or so, given how many of the players from then or who're still with the club are listed with the all time greats at their positions. :)

Jimbo
03-02-03, 06:17 AM
Jersey Yankee,
Nice article, thanks for posting it...

Jimbo

:cool: :smokin: :cool:

Yankchic22
03-02-03, 12:33 PM
Nice pic.

Jersey Yankee
03-02-03, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by Jimbo
Jersey Yankee,
Nice article, thanks for posting it...De nada. It was on the main page of baseballlibrary.com at the time, so I had to dig up my prior post.

Anyway, I've been pretty desperate f/something like this, since I'd had some trivia thing w/people on the subway on the way to a Yankee game, and a guy, who'd previously "who wore #10 f/the Yankees" (Scooter and Chambliss), didn't know who Whitey Ford was. I almost went ballistic ("_WHO_ is _WHITEY FORD_?!!!"), since his Whitey's career paralleled The Mick's, except f/one year in starting and retiring.

Anyway, thx to all who've enjoyed this article and contributed to this thread, making this all worthwhile!!! :D ;)

mr.roy
03-02-03, 08:57 PM
I'm going to get the book, I even bought "Whitey Ford Sings The Blues", by Everlast in 1998.

Roy White 4th best in LF?
Come on Whitey, with all due respect......................
How is it he played in 1,881 games then? He's 5th on the all-time Yankee list.

He had to be doing something right for 15 years.

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