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Gehrig
08-10-01, 11:19 PM
I've taken it upon myself to try and do a little historical research (OK...alot :lol: ) On the Yankees roots...

I'm going to do a few posts (spreading them out of course) beginning with the original Baltimore Oriole Franchise of the American League in 1901. I'm not going to get too crazy as information is a bit scarce on these guys. But I'll go far enough to "paint a picture"

So, without any further rambling...On with the show... :lol:

1901 Orioles:

First Stadium – Oriole Park 1901-1902

Spring Training History: Baltimore, MD 1901

First Game: April 1901

Managerial History:
John McGraw 1901-1902
Wilbert Robinson 1902


1901 Baltimore Orioles Team Roster: Many played several positions including P in those day’s

Roger Bresnahan – C
Steve Brodie – OF
Mike Donlin – OF
Jack Dunn – 3B
Frank Foutz – 1B
Jim Jackson - OF
Slats Jordan – 1B
Bill Keister - SS
Tacks Latimer - C
John McGraw – 3B / MGR
Wilbert Robinson
George Rohe – 3B / 1B
Cy Seymour - OF
Chappie Snodgrass - OF
Jimmy Williams – 2B
Joe McGinnity - P
Jack Dunn - P
Frank Foreman - P
Harry Howell - P
Jerry Nops – P
Crazy Schmit – P
Stan Yerkes - P

A Little History:

1890's: Under the savvy tutelage of Ned Hanlon, the Orioles line-up of John McGraw, along with the likes of Wee Willie Keeler, Hugh Jennings, Wilbert Robinson, and Joe Kelley defined and dominated the NL in the 1890s. Keeler would hit in 44 straight in 1896 a record that would only be topped by Joe DiMaggio's 56, and equaled by Pete Rose in 1978. These Orioles that won 3 straight pennants in 1894, 1895, and 1896, were practitioners of Hanlon's "scientific" or "inside" baseball, an aggressive brand of the game that celebrated the hit and run, the Baltimore chop (which earned its name from this Orioles edition), hidden baseballs and phantom runners, along with stealing and hustling, in every sense. However, the good times for Baltimore in the NL would not last. The NL wanted to get rid of 4 teams, and made arrangements in which Ned Hanlon would move North to Brooklyn take the Orioles core talent with him. The Orioles leftovers had a respectable finish in 1899, but were still a victim of NL contraction after the 1899 season.

1901: Ban Johnson had saw what happened in 1899, and decided to take advantage. Johnson was president of the Western League a minor league in the Central region of the country. Johnson decided it was time for a step up and decided to add teams in a few of the cities victimized by the NL's actions including Baltimore. With the new teams in the NL disposed cities of Washington, Cleveland, and Baltimore Johnson encouraged the teams to raid NL rosters and the American League was born.

1901: In their first season, the Orioles showcased a number of former NL star players, including the notoriously intense 3rd baseman-manager John McGraw, catcher Roger Bresnahan ( First Catcher Elected to the Hall of Fame ), 2nd baseman Jimmy Williams, and legendary pitcher 'Iron Man' McGinnity. The new Orioles Led by McGraw, would finish that first season with a respectable 68-65 record .511 / 5th place and 13.5 games out of first.

1902: On April 29th, Player-Manager John McGraw was plunked five times by Boston hurler Bill Dineen. Apparently home plate umpire Jack Sheridan didn't think Mr. McGraw was making a game attempt to avoid the pitches, because the Bird's skipper was never awarded first base. After he was plunked for the fifth time, McGraw sat down in the batter's box and refused to get off the field. Because of McGraw's "sit-down" protest, American League President Ban Johnson then suspended McGraw for five games. Old Oriole Park was the site of the next imbroglio when McGraw and Joe Kelley of the Orioles got into a heated discussion with umpires Tom Connolly and Jimmy Johnstone. The Orioles manager was ejected and Kelley let his feelings be crystal clear. The Birds forfeited the game, and both Kelley and McGraw were suspended indefinitely. "Little Napoleon's" days in Baltimore and in the American League were now numbered. By early July, John McGraw was the manager of the New York Giants, and shortly there after several of the Orioles stars would join him. The Orioles were left in a shambles. AL President Ban Johnson picked up the scraps and took over operation of the Birds for the rest of the season. It would be these incidents that would lead in part to there being no World Series in 1904.

** Before and during the 1902 season, the National League launched attacks against the Orioles by re-signing many of their former players and Baltimore collapsed to 50-88, 34 games behind the first place Philadelphia Athletics. Fan interest fell off and then AL president Ban Johnson decided the new league needed a team in New York, so after the 1902 season the club moved to N.Y. and became ..… (Drum Roll)

THE NEW YORK HIGHLANDERS

There be Highlanders here !!
1903:

A peace summit commences between the American and National Leagues in an attempt to unite the two under similar rules, and establish a “World Series”. AL President Ban Johnson lets it known he wants a team in New York. Johnson got 15 of the 16 Major League owners to agree the lone dissenter was John T. Bush owner of the New York Giants. Johnson arranged to have Frank Farrell and Bill Devery buy the struggling Baltimore Orioles and move them to Manhattan.

January 9, 1903 Frank Farrell and Bill Devery purchase Baltimore franchise of American League for $18,000, and move team to New York City.

On March 12, 1903, The New York Club is approved as members of American League and the two new owners quickly secure a piece of land on Broadway between 165th and 168th street and quickly put together a hastily constructed, all-wood ballpark known as Hilltop Park. Since the stadium sat on one of the highest points in Manhattan the nickname “Highlanders” was chosen as the new club's name.

The Highlanders took the field for their first game on April 22nd, and lost to the Nats in Washington 3-1 with future Highlanders Ace “Happy” Jack Chesbro taking the Loss. The Highlanders would win their very first game the next day 7-2 behind the strong pitching performance of Harry Howell.

April 30th 1903 Opening day at Hilltop Park for the very first Highlanders home game, Jack Chesbro, facing the Nats again, made their home debut a success with a 6-2 win.

That first year was a success for New York, as they would finish a respectable 72-62 under Hall of Fame Manager Clark Griffith.

The New York Highlanders would soon evolve into the most fabled sports franchise in American sports history.

1903 New York Highlanders:

Monte Beville – C
John Ganzel – 1B
Jimmy Williams – 2B
Wid Conroy - 3B
Herman Long – SS
Willie Keeler – OF
Herm McFarland – OF
Lefty Davis – OF

Kid Elberfeld – SS
Dave Fulz - OF
Jack O’Conner - C
Ernie Courtney - INF
Pat McCauley
Jack Zalusky
Paddy Greene
Tim Jordan – 1B
Fred Holmes –

Jack Chesbro – P (Won 21 games for the Highlanders in their 1st Season !!)
Jesse Tannehill - P
Clark Griffith – P
Barney Wolf – P
Harry Howell – P

John Deering - P
Snake Wiltse - P
Ambrose Putnam – P
Elmer Bliss – P
Doc Adkins – P
Edie Quick - P




The first Uniform...

seahorse
08-10-01, 11:36 PM
That's great G! Keep'em coming! :cool:

Slippery Elm
08-10-01, 11:38 PM
Some research! You spelled Bresnahan's name wrong! ;)


I believe we have the same book on Baseball uniforms. Cite the source of that scan, please, so I can verify that. It's a marvelous book. Great illustrations of bygone unis; the old Giants even had some purple ones with thatch patterns. The Dodgers went to green in 1937.

BTW, the famous Tiffany Medal for the NYPD, the progenitor of the "interlocking NY", is at the Police Museum near Bowling Green in Manhattan, unless the Mayor borrowed it again.

Gehrig
08-10-01, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by Slippery Elm
Some research! You spelled Bresnahan's name wrong! ;)



Spelled it wrong ?!? I can't even SAY IT !!! :eek: :lol:

I got all that info from several sights online...including that pic...

Slippery Elm
08-11-01, 12:00 AM
:)

Can you say Peckinpaugh??

I guess then you don't have that book. If you have a Web site that can be cited I'd appreciate that. Citing sources is useful indeed for those of us who want to investigate this further. Thanks for the work on this.

Gehrig
08-11-01, 12:13 AM
Originally posted by Slippery Elm
:)

Can you say Peckinpaugh??



Peckinpaugh picked a pack of pickled peppers... :lol:

Say Saltzgaver 10 times fast... :lol: (sheesh it IS getting late...)

bagger015
08-11-01, 12:22 AM
:NY: Thanks Gehrig. Lovin the history lessons. :cool: ;)

Slippery Elm
08-11-01, 04:47 AM
As I remember that book on unis, the Yankees first wore the "interlocking NY" on their sleeves. And then stopped wearing it for several years. And then it came back on the front of the jersey for a while. Then gone again until 1936. Why Ruppert didn't put it on the 1920's uniform I never could figure out; it had been worn before and looked good.

Gehrig
08-11-01, 10:04 PM
The interlocking :NY: first appeared on both the cap and on the jersey’s left sleeve in 1909. Up until then they wore the separated "N" and "Y" which had appeared on the left and right front side of the jersey each season since 1903 with the exception of 1905. For that season only, the "N" and "Y" were merged side by side into a monogram on the left front side, the forerunner of the now legendary emblem...

bamtino
08-13-01, 01:58 PM
Gehrig, thank you so much for posting this. I new about the Highlander connection with the Yankees, but I did not know that that they came from Baltimore.

Very informative and intersting!

seahorse
08-13-01, 05:40 PM
Looking west towards watchtower of the Highbridge aquaduct.

seahorse
08-13-01, 05:52 PM
"Hit'em where they ain't" worked, until fouls were counted as strikes.

seahorse
08-13-01, 05:54 PM
Street view

seahorse
08-13-01, 05:56 PM
Chesbro

Gehrig
08-13-01, 08:28 PM
Seahorse...AWESOME photos dude !!! Keep'em comin !!!

DW Fan
08-14-01, 12:09 PM
:cool:
This is great stuff guys!

rke871
08-15-01, 04:40 PM
Great job Gehrig. This was a great idea, love this board.:gulp: :) :) :)

Luvtino
08-24-01, 12:38 AM
Excellent job Gehrig!! Keep up the good work!! :D:D

lbyankychk
08-24-01, 01:41 PM
Hell yeah. This is my kind of post! :D Gehrig, why don't you come to Cincy and teach baseball history at my college? ;) Keep up the good work, I know more about these eras than I do current baseball.

Funny thing I stumbled upon in my baseball research.....seems Babe Ruth isn't the first great player to get taken away from Boston. In 1876 I think it was when the National League was formed, the Cubbies (then called the White Stockings) stole 4 of their key players including Cap Anson and Al Spalding. (I don't remember the other two) Spalding had eight shutouts that year and finished 46-12 and played other positions when he wasn't pitching. I forget what Anson did that year now, but it was pretty good. Poor boston. ....and they blame it all on Babe Ruth. I think they need to check their history books.

jiffyjeff
09-24-01, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by lbyankychk
Hell yeah. This is my kind of post! :D Gehrig, why don't you come to Cincy and teach baseball history at my college? ;) Keep up the good work, I know more about these eras than I do current baseball.

Funny thing I stumbled upon in my baseball research.....seems Babe Ruth isn't the first great player to get taken away from Boston. In 1876 I think it was when the National League was formed, the Cubbies (then called the White Stockings) stole 4 of their key players including Cap Anson and Al Spalding. (I don't remember the other two) Spalding had eight shutouts that year and finished 46-12 and played other positions when he wasn't pitching. I forget what Anson did that year now, but it was pretty good. Poor boston. ....and they blame it all on Babe Ruth. I think they need to check their history books.

The Cincinnati Reds are the oldest professional baseball team and the only team to continuously play in the same city. The first game played was June 1, 1869, played by a totally professional baseball team (all paid players, no amateurs). The Cincinnati Red Stockings beat the Mansfield Independents, 48-14. Because the Cincinnati Red(s) Stockings were the first team in Baseball, until recently, they always played the first (and only) game on baseball season's Opening Day. The rest of the teams opened the season the day after.

jiffyjeff
09-24-01, 02:40 PM
The average lifespan of a major league baseball is 7 pitches.


Pete Rose wrote a book, 'How to play baseball', and stated that Ty Cobb had a lifetime batting average of .367. He said that it would never be repeated, and players would have trouble achieving .300, and will never again get to .333. The next year, Rod Carew retired with a lifetime batting average of .333.

( I wonder if he placed a bet on that one)

jiffyjeff
09-24-01, 03:03 PM
I seem to have stumbled upon a site with a lot of Red's stuff on it:

The first television broadcast of a major league baseball game was between the Cincinnati Reds and the Brooklyn Dodgers on August 26, 1939.

(non baseball trivia: did you know that in the early days of video tape that a tape reel was huge {like six feet in diameter} because video tape needs to pass over the head so fast .... that is why the head drum rotates now instead)

jiffyjeff
09-24-01, 03:05 PM
The candy bar, Baby Ruth, is named after the daughter of President Cleveland, not Babe Ruth, the baseball player as most think.

Hank Aaron's 715th home run. Pitcher: Al Downing. The outfielder who climbed the fence in a vain attempt to catch the ball: Bill Buckner. Who caught the ball? Tom House, relief pitcher for Atlanta.

A forfeited game is baseball is recorded as a 9-0 score. In football it is 2-0.

gooberamous61
10-10-01, 08:32 PM
Hey Gehrig,

Just wanted to say what a great job you are doing on giving everyone a history lesson on baseball. Think maybe you could give me a few lessons about baseball since I am new to this board and just recently became a baseball fan? :) I have never been much of a fan to any sport until about a month ago when a friend of mine introduced me to baseball and this board. I know how the game is basically played of course but there are alot of rules and regulations I am still in the dark about, can be quite confusing..lol. I am visiting all the baseball sites my friend gave me and other members of this board have referred to me to help me get more familiar with baseball but I still have alot to learn. I read some of the rules a pitcher must abide by....geez what a headache and how confusing..lol. So any lesson you can give me about baseball would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and keep up the good work for new-found fans like me benefit from it.. :)

Peace,
Goober

Gehrig
10-11-01, 07:14 AM
Hey...

I'll tell ya, stick around here. there are MANY very knowledgeable Baseball fans here that are full of GREAT infomation. If you have any Baseball questions just start a post in a specific forum and ask away. You'll get tons of replies !!

Slippery Elm
10-11-01, 04:06 PM
Ditto!!

gooberamous61
10-14-01, 06:52 PM
Ok thanks Gehrig.. :) I am already finding out how knowledgable some people on here are about baseball and how quick they are to give you free info and advice..I am loving it hear so far. I went into the gamethread today to hear what people were saying about the game being played since I don't get the channel it comes on and I learned some things today that I did not know before just by reading other members post. It is awesome. Only problem though is that I do not get many of the stations that televise the baseball games so I have to rely on my friend who got me interested in baseball to begin with to keep me updated on the recent games. I mostly get football and golf channels..yuck..lol. Thanks and take care.

Peace,
Goober

N2ROCKET
10-20-01, 11:11 AM
How cool is this thread, I ask you? What a great thing. I love reading historical accounts of different thing and the pictures are incredible, takes me back to a simpler time in life, even though I wasn't around for most of it! LOL!

You all deserve a pat on the back <N2ROCKET pats everyone on the back in this thread and says GOOD JOB! and thanks!>

:)

Hugs,

Janet

#1PaFan
10-20-01, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by N2ROCKET
How cool is this thread, I ask you? What a great thing. I love reading historical accounts of different thing and the pictures are incredible, takes me back to a simpler time in life, even though I wasn't around for most of it! LOL!

You all deserve a pat on the back <N2ROCKET pats everyone on the back in this thread and says GOOD JOB! and thanks!>

:)

Hugs,

Janet

AND, the thread just got cooler with you in it, Janet. Nice to "see" you again. :)

Jim F.
10-20-01, 10:17 PM
Hey Janet, it's good to see you here :). You should stop by more often, we could use some more cool-headed fans around here! Hope all is well :).

-jim

Lefty Gomez
10-21-01, 01:57 PM
Thanks for the history lesson Gehrig, and the great pix, seahorse.

I've been away for awhile and missed this thread.

Like a bad penny I'm back and always glad to increase my Bomberknowledge!!!

ctan
12-10-01, 10:54 PM
And THEN what happened...?

Gehrig
12-11-01, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by ctan
And THEN what happened...?

:lol:

You'll see this weekend...I'm finally getting around to the stuff at home...

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