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NetShrine.com
08-10-01, 10:17 PM
Who are your Top 10 All-Time Yankee SP, in order? Here's mine
1 Whitey Ford
2 Red Ruffing
3 Lefty Gomez
4 Ron Guidry
5 Bob Shawkey
6 Mel Stottlemyre
7 Waite Hoyt
8 Herb Pennock
9 Jack Chesbro
10 Fritz Peterson
Here goes...
1.Ron Guidry
2. Catfish Hunter
3. Whitey Ford
4. Vic Raschi
5. Allie Reynolds
6. Dave Righetti (Remember July 4, 1983???)
7. Roger Clemens
8. Don Larsen
9. Orlando Hernandez
10. Rudy May (Why not?!)
Slippery Elm
08-10-01, 10:53 PM
Bob Shawkey was not better than HoFer Waite Hoyt, who should be in the top five or six.
You can throw Carl Mays in the mix, possibly.
Don Larsen? I assume that was meant to be facetious?
Where do Spud Chandler, Ed Lopat, and Allie Reynolds fit in?
And I'd wager in 5 years, Pettitte will be on that list too.
Slippery Elm
08-10-01, 11:46 PM
I'd rate Pettitte easily over Fritz Peterson right now.
Number two on my all-time fav list...
Number three all-time fav...Whitey Ford.
NetShrine.com
08-11-01, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by Slippery Elm
I'd rate Pettitte easily over Fritz Peterson right now.
In hindsight, I'd go that way too.
NetShrine.com
08-11-01, 10:30 AM
Originally posted by Slippery Elm
Bob Shawkey was not better than HoFer Waite Hoyt, who should be in the top five or six.
As a Yankee, Shawkey had 168 wins and an ERA of 3.12.
As a Yankee, Hoyt had 157 wins and an ERA of 3.48.
You make the call.
SkooterPhil#10
08-11-01, 11:42 AM
Roger Clemens should be near the top of every list. Think of all the things pitchers now have to contend with: lower mound, stronger hitters, smaller parks, a tighter ball, etc. Roger belongs at the number two spot for sure.
NetShrine.com
08-11-01, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by SkooterPhil#10
Roger Clemens should be near the top of every list. Think of all the things pitchers now have to contend with: lower mound, stronger hitters, smaller parks, a tighter ball, etc. Roger belongs at the number two spot for sure.
All-time, yes. All-Yankee? He needs at least two more years, IMHO.
emptynets
08-11-01, 04:16 PM
What about Melido Perez!! LOL! What ever happened to him?
#1PaFan
08-11-01, 05:46 PM
What? No Ed Whitson? :lol:
Slippery Elm
08-11-01, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by #1PaFan
What? No Ed Whitson? :lol:
He may have been reincarnated in the form of Jay Witasick!
Funny about Whitson, he had enough guts to use his judo/karate crap on Billy Martin in a bar fight, but didn't have the guts to pitch in the Bronx. I remember once a van load of angry Yankee fans following his car after a game. Scared Whitson even more! :evil:
Bernie51
08-12-01, 08:43 AM
No Kenny Rogers?!
Just kidding. :P
SkooterPhil#10
08-12-01, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by NetShrine.com
All-time, yes. All-Yankee? He needs at least two more years, IMHO.
Oh... I thought it was the best ever to put on the pinstripes...
Patrick Walden
08-12-01, 09:59 PM
He only pitched 6 years with the Yanks but I have to add Urban Shocker to the list. Pitched the 1927 knowing he was terminally ill and still won 18 games! That's got to worth something.
NetShrine.com
08-12-01, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by Patrick Walden
He only pitched 6 years with the Yanks but I have to add Urban Shocker to the list. Pitched the 1927 knowing he was terminally ill and still won 18 games! That's got to worth something.
For those who don't know about Shocker:
http://bw.sportsline.com/u/baseball/bol/ballplayers/S/Shocker_Urban.html
Shocker is a dim figure, an unappreciated, almost-forgotten great pitcher. In a 13-year career, he never had a losing season and compiled a .617 winning percentage. He was well-enough known in his time, yet he labored in relative obscurity. His best years were spent with the Sisler-era Browns, a so-so team that had the bad luck to be good when the Yankees were fantastic. His final years were spent as a Yankee, but as perhaps the least flamboyant of that vivid ensemble. And he died at the untimely age of 38, much too early to have become a legend.
Shocker came late to the big leagues and did not even become a pitcher until 1913, his first professional season. Originally a catcher, he demonstrated such speed and accuracy in his throws that he was switched to the mound. He acquired a spitter, which he threw infrequently and as a breaking slow ball, and a variety of curves. His delivery was aided by a permanent crook in the end joint of his ring finger, suffered when he speared a ball while still a catcher. He always said the crooked finger improved his grip and thus the effectiveness of his pitches.
Two fine seasons with Ottawa, of the Canada League, brought him to the Yankees in 1916 for $750. In one of Miller Huggins's rare misjudgments, however, he was traded to the Browns in 1918, with Les Nunamaker, Fritz Maisel, Nick Cullop, and Joe Gedeon, for Del Pratt, Eddie Plank, and $15,000.
Thereafter, Shocker hit his stride, stringing together four 20-win seasons and proving a particular nemesis of the Yankees. In 1924 the Yanks stole him back for Joe Bush, Milt Gaston, and Joe Giard. Shocker had his only .500 season in 1925, the year of the great Yankee slump, but pitched marvelously well in 1926 and 1927.
After the 1927 season he voluntarily retired (he did pitch three innings in 1928). He had a successful radio shop in St. Louis, but evidently was too ill to run it. His death was attributed to an overstrained "athlete's heart."
Shocker was an intense, unsmiling fellow, a studious pitcher widely admired for an artful delivery and a profound knowledge of hitters. He allowed almost exactly a hit per inning, yet, as his ERA shows, not many runs. He was stingy with walks, averaging one every four innings. A serious professional, he was known as an excellent fielder and capable hitter, perhaps too serious to have a nickname.
I am not going to try to put these in order, and thank god you limited it to starting pitchers otherwise the task would be far more difficult.
Ford
Chesbro
Guidry
Hoyt
Reynolds
Raschi
Lopat
Chandler
Shawky
Pennock
Ruffing
Damn, that's 11 and I'm not through yet. Oh well those will have to do for now.
As far as relief pitchers are concerned, in no particular order;
Murphy
Page
Arroyo
Duren
Gossage
Rags
Mo
Whettland
Lyle
I'm surprised Pettitte hasn't made more lists. The guy's going to be in the HoF one day.
Here's mine:
Ford
Guidry
Chesbro
Pettitte
Hoyt
Hunter
Reynolds
Raschi
Lopat
Pennock
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