View Full Version : Roger Maris To The Hall !!!
I would love to see Roger Maris Recognized in The Hall of Fame!
I know his numbers arent OUTSTANDING! But he does hold records of several years for RBIS and for Homeruns! And He HELD THE RECORD FOR ALMOST 40 Years as The Homerun Leader In All Of Baseball !
He Deserves to be recognized in the Hall not only his Bat But His Memoribilia also!!!
I mean they let other no name no fame Players In & Roger has more Fame then Most of these no names combined! He Deserves a Place in
the Hall!
Now that Players can vote other players in! I cant wait to see him Inducted!
If its in My Lifetime I will be there on Induction Day For Roger Maris!
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Roger Maris MY ALLTIME FAVORITE PLAYER & MY BB AVATAR!!!
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you're going to hate me for this, but i disagree.. i think there are to many people in the hall of fame already.. way to many..
i think the hall should be for the greatest of all time.. i mean the very greatest..
Roger IS in the hall...His record and bat are in there even though he hasn't been inducted...He and many others shouldn't be inducted based on 1 or 2 great accomplishments...It should be based on their entire career. I DO agree that there are many who have been inducted that shouldn't have been. But they shouldn't continue that trend...
I think Roger was a very good athlete and had an incredible '61 season and a few other very good seasons ('60 and '62) and he did play in more post seasons than any other player in the 60's but...
Sorry, just my opinion....And you know what they say about opinions...
They're like @ssholes...everybody's got one and they ALL stink !!! :lol:
Okay Maybe its based on Age here in this Thread Im 53.
I saw Roger play with Mickey and the other 61 team out here in So Cal.
Now I know theyve let in tons of other greats since the 60's But Roger Does Qualify. If Roger had talked to the Reporters there would have been reasons why he would have been inducted! But Roger was a private family man who just loved playing Baseball as his Employment or Way of Earning for his Family. He also Loved The Sport. But the Pres made it very hard for him to do so.
I think that He Deserved Induction Way before many of our Great Players today!
If the Hall has too many players in it now then they Should Make it Bigger! After all You Cant see Washington DC nor New York City nor Even Disneyland in One Day!!!
Im pretty sure that before many of his fellow players leave this planet that they will have some kind of Induction to Honor Roger Now that the PRESS is Gone and the PLAYERS can vote!
After all there is still Yogi & Ford & Hertzog and others who would love to see their fellow player who made such a difference in their lives enter the hall the same as they have!
:D
Michaels07
08-10-01, 02:55 PM
What does it actually mean?
That your were outstanding in relation to your peers of that time period?
That you had an outstanding performance?
Or is your overall excellence over a period of time so superior that you are way above the other player`s of your era?
My personal opinion is that Hall should be more selective.
I would not have voted for Puckett or Winfield.
Slippery Elm
08-10-01, 04:31 PM
Not a chance. Two HoF years ('60 and '61) are not enough.
But if Maz is in, let's just let the entire 1961 Yankee team in, except perhaps Joe DeMaestri.
Originally posted by Slippery Elm
Not a chance. Two HoF years ('60 and '61) are not enough.
But if Maz is in, let's just let the entire 1961 Yankee team in, except perhaps Joe DeMaestri.
Thanks SE ! Dont forget he had some outstanding years with
St Louis Cardinal Numbers Also!
:D
I don't think Roger has HOF numbers...but he certainly belongs in the Yankees HOF without a doubt!
Slippery Elm
08-10-01, 11:53 PM
I would NOT describe as "outstanding" Maris hitting just .261 in 410 AB's with 9 HR's in 1967; and .255 in 310 AB's with 5 HR's in 1968. That is what he did with the Cardinals. Big deal. In both years combined he totalled 100 RBI's - an average of 50 per year.
He had two HoF years, 1960 and '61, and one very good year, 1962. The rest of his career was mediocre.
Read the stats yourself: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/all_time_stats/players/m/42037/index.html
But as I said, if Maz is in let's let everyone in.
He has his number retired - a number that should have been jointly retired with Nettles. He has his plaque in MP. Good enough.
Another from the archives...
PettittesPrincess
08-11-01, 01:00 AM
He should get like an honorable mention or something. I think they induct too many people.
penguin4
08-11-01, 01:36 AM
The problem with Roger, as you guys said, is that his numbers aren't really "Hall of Fame" -- face it, he'll always be compared to the Yankee Legendary outfielders we all know so well, and will never measure up -- BUT he does belong because of all the other guys who got in with similar statistics who don't deserve to be there. These days, the Hall is just a popularity contest anyway.
Roger's career could've been even better than it was, but he was plagued by injuries. (Take 1963 -- he slugged 23 homeruns, despite playing only 90 games!) He was a multi-winning Gold-Glove outfielder, and a speed demon on the bases (so I've heard... even though he only stole a handful... with Mick batting behind him, there never was the need...) But he was in the majors for just twelve years, which is hardly longevity. If he had posted statistics at the same rate projected over, say, 20 years, he'd probably have a much better shot at getting in. Hall of Fame, after all, is for LIFETIME achievement, not just for a season or two of brilliance. (Just think, if Roger had not had that three-year span of dominance, and had put up the same consistant numbers every year, he would probably be mentioned in conversation more among the Dick Stuarts and Wally Posts, rather than spoken in the same breath as Mickey Mantle and Henry Aaron.)
The way I see it, Roger falls into the Don Mattingly category for Hall-of-Famers.... a very valuable asset to the team he was on, but a borderline "great." Should he get elected (as well as Mattingly someday), I would not object, but I think there are plenty of other guys out there (i.e. Gil Hodges, Bob Meusel) who deserve to get in first.
Originally posted by penguin4
The way I see it, Roger falls into the Don Mattingly category for Hall-of-Famers.... a very valuable asset to the team he was on, but a borderline "great." Should he get elected (as well as Mattingly someday), I would not object, but I think there are plenty of other guys out there (i.e. Gil Hodges, Bob Meusel) who deserve to get in first.
THANK YOU Pen!! Your entire post I couldnt agree with more! Every word is what I feel too! Especially the latter!
YES I think Don Mattinly Falls into the Roger Maris Category for
Hall Of Famers! A little reversal there but since Maris was first ;) before Donnie! And I couldnt agree more with you on your ie!
:D
Carissa
08-13-01, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by JeanC
Okay Maybe its based on Age here in this Thread Im 53.
I saw Roger play with Mickey and the other 61 team out here in So Cal.
It has nothing to do with age JeanC. :) I'm 25 and believe he belongs in the hall. (Roger was also my mom's hero so I am a little biased.) :)
Here's a great site that lists many arguements to show why he belongs in the HOF: http://www.ndrogermaris.com/
afsargent
08-16-01, 10:14 AM
Roger was a good player with a few great seasons. I personally would like to see him in the HOF, but he really doesn't have to be there since his accomplishments are. Does Donny baseball belong because of what he did for the team during the dry years of the 80's?
OklaYankeeFan
08-18-01, 10:09 PM
I am just a little biased on this one as well. I think if they are not going to put Roger in the hall, they should give us back his bat and it should be enshrined in Monument park right beside his monument. I think a player that holds a record of such significance for as long as he held that record should be there. Period.
Both Roger & Donnie also Gator Belong there!
For all their accomplishments they belong there as much as the ones that are already in there with less accomplishments then these fellows have that we (at least I ) have never heard of!
:D
Time is getting short! And Now possibly before Labor Day Roger's & the Babes Homerun Record will be surpassed once more ! This time by Bonds! Does it bother me do I mind? Well since Roger never was inducted yes it does! But then again I know he would be as his family is very happy to be honored the way that he was this year so No it doesnt bother me that much! Because the way it looks Sammy & Bonds both have a better chance of getting there! Also Because Im concentrating on the Yankees getting to fourpeat! :D
Im just glad that Rogers Bat is there in the Hall and that he is included in the Yankee Room with Memorbilia ! Also someday I want to go to Yogi's Museum I hear he has a display there for his teammate Roger!
Thats great! I already told my hubby when we go back to see the Yankees next year there are 2 museums we must visit and both are above!
:D
BobbyMurcerFan
09-01-01, 05:05 AM
On career stats: No.
On historical signifcance: Yes.
On dealing with an incredible amout of b.s.: Absolutely.
I agree with you sooo much BobbyMurcerfan!
Roger is Totally Historic Hopefully someday He Will Be Inducted in the Hall !
On a Side Note ! A Book Ive been Looking for for Years has finally reappeared on the shelf with its 3rd Epilogue!
Jim Bouton's Ball Four is Back OUT IN HARDBACK! Go Look For it In the Sports Sections of BookStores! I found mine in Barnes & Noble.
This most controversial Book even has cons & pros on Mickey & Roger!
Its A Great Insight To Read! I really Enjoyed the Epilogue To How Jim Finally Realized the Pain and all the Touting that Roger Had To Go Thru for Breaking Ruths Record!
Roger was the First To Break Ruths Record. Nowadays its easier for McGuire, Sosa & BONDS JR. to Do the Same.
Ya Know I wasnt soo Thrilled to See Mark Break Rogers Record.
But this year for some reason I cant explain maybe its because I know Roger would want it this way Im Cheering For Barry Bonds I hope He
Gets As Far as he Can Go To Get The Title His Arm Deserves!
Wow! Roger Would Approve! Especially since no one has managed to take the title away from The American League Yet! ;) Tino is at 31 & Im cheering for him every game!
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TODAY IS A VERY SPECIAL DAY SEPTEMBER 9th, 2001 !
Today Another Baseball Slugger has broken Ruths Record and matched Rogers!
Today Barry Bonds Jr. has met the feat of 61 homeruns!
Tomorrow He will Go On From There! As HE Does I wish Him Congratulations Not forgetting what Roger Had Done but to Remember Rogers Efforts in leading other sluggers as Great as himself to Break His Record and Go Beyond with the Great Power of the Slugger To Break More Records and Keep Homerun Hitting Alive!
Just as Our Tino is doing....!!!
Congratulations Barry! May My Goal of 80 be reached for You!
As You Have The Arm & The Sincerity To Do Just That!
WAY TO GO BARRY!
Not Forgetting Roger My ALL TIME FAVORITE HOMERUN HITTER OF 61 in 61 !!
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penguin4
09-09-01, 04:30 PM
Hey Jean, maybe he'll hit #62 tomorrow, which coincidentally happens to be Maris's birthday....
Hey Pen! No He Hit 63 on Sunday. In one game he hit 3 homeruns.
Wow
The Relief Of Roger Maris!
:D
Carissa
09-10-01, 09:56 AM
Monday, September 10
http://espn.go.com/mlb/columns/caple_jim/1250025.html
Maris receding from baseball immortality
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By Jim Caple
ESPN.com
Walter Johnson once held the record for most strikeouts in a career. Everett Scott once held the record for most consecutive games played. Honus Wagner held the record for career hits.
They no longer do, of course. Not only were their records broken, those subsequent records were also broken. Nolan Ryan passed Johnson on the strikeout list in 1983 and now there are seven pitchers ahead of the Big Train. Lou Gehrig broke Scott's record in 1933 and Cal Ripken Jr. broke Gehrig's record in 1995. Ty Cobb broke Wagner's hit record in 1923 and Pete Rose passed Cobb six decades later.
Roger Maris held the single-season home run record for 37 years.
Meanwhile, Barry Bonds hit his 61st, 62nd and 63rd home runs Sunday, moving himself another step closer to Mark McGwire's record while pushing Roger Maris and his former record total of 61 a little further into the dustbin of history.
Perhaps no athlete was ever so exclusively identified so long with one number as Maris was with 61. Gehrig was known for his record streak (2,130), but he also was known for the disease that bears his name as well as his brilliant Hall of Fame career. Joe DiMaggio's record 56-game hitting streak is not the only thing we associate with him, nor is Ted Williams only remembered for his .406 average in 1941.
But for 37 years, if you thought of the single-season home run record, you thought of Maris and if you thought of Maris, you thought of the home run record. The number 61 is so identified with Maris that not only was it the title of Billy Crystal's very good movie about Maris, it is inscribed on Maris' tombstone.
The number (and the infamous asterisk that never was attached to it) may have caused Maris a good deal of grief in his life but it also kept his baseball legacy alive, years after his career and years after his death. Without 61, he would be known for little more than being a good player for a brief period of time. Because of it, he was a household name.
Or at least, he is at the moment.
With each baseball that lands in McCovey Cove, the number 61 becomes decreasingly relevant and Maris' legacy diminishes. There were no national press hordes following Bonds each game when he neared 61 as there will be when he nears 70. There are no Bonds-Maris home run charts. The Maris kids are not in attendance at the Giants games.
Maris truly is yesterday's news.
That is the way of sports and records, both more perishable than Dodger Dogs. The cliché tells us that records are made to be broken and history tells us that once they are, their former holders are usually forgotten.
Today's fans know who Maris is and appreciate his accomplishment. Future fans will take little note of his old record and even less note of him. He is not in the Hall of Fame (nor should he be). McGwire holds the single-season home run record that was his for 37 years. Bonds holds the left-handed record that was his for 40. When an American Leaguer passes Maris' total (as one will some season), his name will drop out of the record book entirely.
Unless Crystal pumps out several sequels to "61*", in time, Roger Maris will be as little remembered as Gavvy Cravath.
In case you don't recognize his name, he's the man who held the home run record before Babe Ruth.
Jim Caple is a senior writer for ESPN.com.
Thanks cdmirra !
Although I do disagree a slight hair with this columminst!
I think As Long As Mantle is Remembered So Will Maris Be!!
:D
Carissa
09-10-01, 11:06 PM
From The Yankees Century by Alan Ross
"Commissioner Ford Frick attached an asterisk next to the 61 homers in the record book because Roger Maris failed to hit them in the first 154 games, which happened to be the schedule when Ruth got the 60. I thought it was a ridiculous ruling. It made no sense at all. Check further and you'll note that the same year, 1961, Sandy Koufax broke Christy Mathewson's National League strikeout record. Mathewson set in 1903, when they played a 140-game schedule. But you won't find an asterisk attached to Koufax."
---- Mickey Mantle
Hey Someone again took the title & record away from Roger! Am I upset??? Should I be upset?? Nah Like Roger would be why be upset!
These players are here to play baseball & enjoy the game!
I think Roger would be Excited for Barry & sympathetic with him about the media! If the NYC Media was bad with Maris just think how the SF Media must have been with Bonds!
But Im glad Bonds did it! Although Im dissappointed I thought sure he would make it to 80 this Season!
I know what Maris would do & say first thing he'd call up Bonds and wish him personally a hearty....
CONGRATULATIONS BARRY!
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Originally posted by cdmirra
It has nothing to do with age JeanC. :) I'm 25 and believe he belongs in the hall. (Roger was also my mom's hero so I am a little biased.) :)
Here's a great site that lists many arguements to show why he belongs in the HOF: http://www.ndrogermaris.com/
Great Minds Think Alike! :) That is Your Mom & I do !!! We are probably about the same age & both saw Maris in the same way A Great Slugger Who Only Wanted To Play Major League Baseball & Love His Family!
I am kind of dissapointed lately because it seems now they mention the Babe but the skip Roger go to McGuire (who did nothing spectacular this year) then On To Bonds! Bonds Did Very Well This Year but so did Roger in His Time & for The New York Yankees as well!
Roger Maris Still Fresh In My Mind & Memory!
Jeanne
maris09
12-31-01, 08:20 PM
That passage written by Jim Caple is one of the worst things I have ever read. First of all, Maris will never be forgotten, no matter how many times someone passes 61. Even today, when many people think of the single-season homerun record, the number 61 comes to mind, not 70 or 73. People also must realize that you cannot compare different generations of ball players. Baseball players back in the 50's and 60's did not have the advantages that today's players do. They didn't receive any physical training, and they played in mammoth ballparks with balls that are much less lively than they are today. Another reason Maris will never be forgotten is because of the extreme pressure and adversity he had to overcome in order to break the record. Playing in New York in the Babe's House is no easy task, especially when you're approachig his record and being compared to him day in and day out. That is something neither McGwire nor Bonds had to deal with. Also, he was part of the 1961 team, arguably the best team in history. Mr. Caple is so wrong when he says that Maris will be completely forgotten. Not only is this narrow-minded, it couldn't be anymore false. Maris broke the greatest record in sports, a record that stood for almost 40 years. He changed the game completely, and brought the homerun to a new level. You can't talk about baseball history without mentioning Roger Maris. His record has been broken, but his feat---that long, grueling, trecherous path that he took to surpassing the immoral Babe Ruth--- will never be matched. This is why Roger Maris will never be forgotten. I hope you're hearing this, Raja.
SkooterPhil#10
12-31-01, 09:28 PM
Roger Maris' numbers, I'm afraid to tell you, are not at all "HOF Caliber". Maybe he belongs in the Hall for his 61 homerun season, but certainly not for his statistics.
He hit 275 career homers. That isn't even in the top 100.
He retired with 1325 hits.
Career BA: .260
4 time All-Star
2 time MVP
1 GG Award
1 HR title.
The HOF is about total numbers. They want a lot of hits, a lot of home runs, a lot of strikeouts, etc. If you have a long career in the MLB, and you weren't bad, you would have a shot at the HOF. Roger Maris retired when he was 33, after 12 seasons.
He's a great Yankee- a Yankee Hero, but he only put up spectacular numbers for two seasons. He deserves a display completely devoted to his 1961 season, but he shouldn't be a member of the HOF.
StartSpreadin'TheNews
01-01-02, 01:35 AM
if McGwire gets in the hall for having his homer record(only if it was for 3 years) I think Maris should be in too..But I don't think either deserve it.
theresa
01-01-02, 06:14 AM
I want to write the Hall of Fame and request that Roger Maris be admitted. Please tell me if this is the correct procedure -- I plan to write a letter to each member of the Hall of Fame Committee of Baseball Veterans. I thought I would write one general letter, address a copy to each member, and mail them to each member individually, care of the Hall of Fame in Cooperstown. Is this the right way to go about it? Its been my conscience ever since I saw 61* and realized all the obstacles Roger had to overcome. Please let me know if I am going about this the right way.
P.S. I hope that our new mayor Bloomberg won't tear don't the current Yankee Stadium. Speaking of mayors, could you believe how Giuliani was parading Judi Nathan yesterday while his wife and kids were still living in Gracie Mansion? I'm glad Rudy's a Yankee fan, but, please, respect your family, and while you're at it, respect the hallowed ground at 161 and River Avenue. Happy New Year to all Bronx-Bombers.com'ers! I enjoy reading your comments every day. We all care passionately about the Yankees. I'm glad David Wells is back home.
SkooterPhil#10
01-01-02, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by StartSpreadin'TheNews
if McGwire gets in the hall for having his homer record(only if it was for 3 years) I think Maris should be in too..But I don't think either deserve it.
I once argued against McGwire going in the Hall. But he is one of the greatest homerun hitters of all time. He doubled Maris' total. The HOF isn't about records, it's about long successful careers. If McGwire never hit 70 homeruns, but he still had the same career total, he would still go in the HOF. He isn't going in for the record.
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