ROUS and Lumberjacks come to terms [Archive]

Yankees Empire

07-23-10, 07:17 PM

The Rodents Of Unusual Size have agreed to deal SP Zack Grienke and 1B Derek Lee to The Lumberjacks in exchange for SP Clayton Richard and minor league IF Wilmer Flores.

"This deal gives a great stable of young talent moving into the future" says ROUS Overlord of Operations Yankees Empire. "We look forward to many years of Rodentia service from Richard and Flores."

PinstripePride

07-23-10, 07:59 PM

The Lumberjacks are happy to add Greinke to their rotation and plug Derek Lee into their shaky first base spot to fill out the roster for a playoff push.

The FUTURE

07-24-10, 12:07 AM

this might be the worst trade so far. object

PinstripePride

07-24-10, 07:43 AM

I thought you were joking until i saw that it actually does have 3 objections. Care to explain?

Hitman23

07-24-10, 02:56 PM

wow.... these keeper trades are starting to really push the limits. The precedent set by the last terrible trade makes me think that it's going ot pass even if 18 people object so I don't even know if I care to even bother trying to analyze this and voting.

On first look though, gross overpayment.

PinstripePride

07-24-10, 04:39 PM

DO you guys realize I'm giving up Clayton Richard, who has scored 300 points this year, for Zack Greinke, who has scored 361? Richard is young and has 3 keeps left on him. He is one of the better keepers out there, IMO, and I'm giving him up for a 2-3 month rental of a guy whose scored a mere 60 points more than him. Derrek Lee has been terrible all year, I'm hoping for a turnaround, and he's showing signs, but i took a gamble on him and threw in one of my better prospects for him. Flores is like 18 years old and is hitting almost .500 since a recent move to high A ball.

Hitman23

07-24-10, 05:32 PM

Don't pretend this comes as any kind of shock man. Seriously. I don't buy it. I'd be mad if I were you and people were objecting as well.

"high a ball" :lol:

Which of these guys is the player that is justifying the awesomeness of a player killing in A ball. The one that won 16 major league games on the Kansas City Royals of all teams, or the one that hit 35 major league home runs last year?

Think about what you're saying. If the guy you're trading is a mere 60 points away with 3 keeps left and such a good keeper, then clearly you must know what kind of true difference is between the two. And you're not taking any chances trading for Derek Lee when you trade for him, especially for a player in A ball and years from any major league impact.

Hitman23

07-24-10, 08:06 PM

Well I went through the trade and I have to veto. Sorry.

Greinke had a 5 week stretch of bad times which account for his point total but the guy is a dominant pitcher and there is alot of baseball left. If the guy you're getting in return is a "mere" 60 points behind and is such a great keep then why bother trading unless you know what kind of true fantasy impact Greinke will give your team. Maybe it's also because a third of Richard's overall points were scored in 2 weeks out of the 16 played.

Lee for an A ball player I can't accept, I'm sorry. Whatever gap between Richard and Greinke that exists is just widened by this. A guy shredding in the low level of the minors is not worth a guy that historically slugs over .500. Our league rewards for slugging percentage in the way hitter rack up points, so Lee has the power to do a lot of damage and is showing that the season isn't over just like Greinke.

I've thrown myself into the fire again (and so has the Force) for the owners to see. A lot of objections out there but I'll take the heat for being a dick.

The FUTURE

07-24-10, 08:41 PM

2 solid major league players for one average major league keeper and a descent minor league prospect is too much. Richard and Flores for Greinke=sure. Richard and Flores for Lee=sure. For both of them, not so much.

PinstripePride

07-24-10, 10:25 PM

Well I went through the trade and I have to veto. Sorry.

Greinke had a 5 week stretch of bad times which account for his point total but the guy is a dominant pitcher and there is alot of baseball left. If the guy you're getting in return is a "mere" 60 points behind and is such a great keep then why bother trading unless you know what kind of true fantasy impact Greinke will give your team. Maybe it's also because a third of Richard's overall points were scored in 2 weeks out of the 16 played.

Lee for an A ball player I can't accept, I'm sorry. Whatever gap between Richard and Greinke that exists is just widened by this. A guy shredding in the low level of the minors is not worth a guy that historically slugs over .500. Our league rewards for slugging percentage in the way hitter rack up points, so Lee has the power to do a lot of damage and is showing that the season isn't over just like Greinke.

I've thrown myself into the fire again (and so has the Force) for the owners to see. A lot of objections out there but I'll take the heat for being a dick.
I know I kind of broke it down as a Richard for Grienke and Lee for Flores deal, but I think it needs to be looked at as a whole rather than 1 for 1 and 1 for one. But I guess that's not going to change you opinion either way, so it's probably a moot point.

The argument about me knowing the "true value" of Grienke makes little to no sense to me. Obviously I think I'm getting a better deal for now by trading Richard for Grienke. Why else would I make a trade? I'm trying to better my team for the playoffs. I wouldn't even dream of this deal if I was out of the race, I'd keep Richard in a heartbeat, but I want a more proven asset for a run into the postseason, and Grienke gives me that.

And if you honestly do not think a guy who has scored 60 points less than Grienke but who has 3 good keeps left isn't worth 2 months of Grienke, then we're just not going to see eye to eye on this one and I'm not even going to continue to argue.

As for Flores, all I'll say on that one is he's ridiculously young, 18 I think, and is kicking ass at a level with guys 3 years older than him. THAT is impressive as hell to me.

At any rate, I appreciate your honesty and you at least having the nuts to come in here and voice your opinion. I don't agree with it at all, but I respect it.

Hitman23

07-24-10, 11:14 PM

See I know you know what Greinke is worth which is my point. And I know you, or anyone would jump at the chance to get him. I'd give up almost any keeper I had for him. It's why I don't think using the 60 point differential is a good argument for your case. He's averaged 26.5 points per week over the last 7. Over 16 weeks (where we are now) that doubles your point differential, and it's where Greinke should be. It's where he was rated to start the season, it's where he was last year at this time, and why he was first round talent this year.

Players that went into funks like Greinke, Felix, Tex, Floyd... their value got skewed due to the length of them. People were/are selling low. At this point that they've all corrected themselves and their stats they should be back to getting their pre-season value.

This is why the keeper value you shipped is not making up the difference. In my eyes anyway.

I mean, Livan Hernandez has 300 points too. ANd probably can be kept late (I didn't look at how/when he was attained) But nobody in their right mind would trade Greinke for him.

Sorry dude, I don't blame you for being annoyed. It's not personal. Just FBB. :cool:

The FUTURE

07-24-10, 11:50 PM

Steve you are the man, I just wanna make that clear

Hitman23

07-25-10, 10:22 AM

:D thanks!

PinstripePride

07-25-10, 10:40 AM

To the commish we go.

YanksRockMan

07-25-10, 11:18 PM

Decisions to this trade and the BSB/Swingers trade won't come until at least tomorrow...sportsline wants me to make a ruling on this trade first so I can't work on yours first.

Yankees Empire

07-26-10, 07:34 PM

Zack Greinke.

-13 points today (and counting).