View Full Version : Yankees' Midseason Top Ten Prospects
Hughes2.50
06-27-10, 12:19 PM
Rules to be on the list - All player's never played in the majors - player's recent performance indicates possibility of reaching majors - player's who are injured or recovering from injuries are likely to be rated lower than others with lower ceilings - some players with less experience will be rated higher than others based on future major league ceiling. Key - Name, position, years old this year at June 30 +/ - months.
<b>(1) Jesus Montero</b> C, 21-5. A slump this season in triple A hasn't dissuaded general manager's of his upside Is nearly an average major league defensive catcher already. ETA 2011<p><b>(2) Dellin Betances</b> RHP, 22+3. After surgery, finally showing scouts why his ceiling is the highest in the organization (pitcher or position players). Likely to pitch all year in High A and next year could move rapidly through the rest of the minors. ETA 2012.<p><b>(3) Andrew Brackman</b> RHP, 25-5. Like Betances his recovery from surgery and his recent performances have been Lazurus like. Ace potential. His recovery from surgery is farther along than Betances', and he should reach the majors sooner. ETA 2011.<p><b>(4) Austin Romine</b> C, 22-5. Romine has the bat and glove to be an above average major league hitter and defender at catcher.<p><b>(5) Gary Sanchez</b> C, 18-5. The 3 million dollar bonus the Yankees gave him appears to be money well spent already. Has to work on his defensive catching because he is very inexperienced, but he has all the tools to hit for power, hit for average and be a very good defensive catcher. Needs to cut back on the K's. Has more upside than Romine.<p><b>(6) Manny Banuelos</b> LHP, 19+4. ManBan is a left handed pitcher with guile and pitchability rarely seen in a youngster his age. He pitches like Petitte does now and he is only 19 years old. Recovery from an appendectomy is finally underway.<p><b>(7) Slade Heathcott</b> CF, 20-3. Heathcott's presently in low A ball getting use to playing everyday. He has five-tool potential and the Yankees await the full blossoming of all of those tools before they know what they will eventually have with Heathcott.<p><b>(8) Brandon Laird</b> 3b, 23-2. Laird continues to hit up through the minors. He is a tremendous hitter for power and could end up being trade bait as he lacks positional versatility and he is blocked in the majors.<p><b>(9) Eduardo Nunez</b> SS, 23. Nunez is very close to being ready for a major league job. Slick fielding shortstop who can stick as well. There is a problem for him, he's blocked at the major league level - trade bait.<p><b>(10) JR Murphy</b> C, 19+2. Like Heathcott, Murphy is getting used to everyday play at Charleston (low A). He is new to catching but could end up being a very good major league catcher and hitter. His bat is very sound and he is improving his avg after a slump at Charleston.
yankeelover
06-27-10, 12:48 PM
David Phelps should be ahead of JR Murphy.
TheHugeUnit2
06-27-10, 12:58 PM
Thanks Hughes, I love propsect rankings. Should be fun to see how everyone differs with their ratings. Here's mine... without the age since screw that much work.
1. Jesus Montero C, Come on it's Jesus.
2. Austin Romine C, bat is coming along nicely. Hoping for more power, but jeeze he's been pretty awesome this year.
3. Manny Banuelos LHP, one of my favorites. Has been since day one he signed.
4. Andrew Brackman RHP, Never gave up on him, been frustrated, glad to see him coming back into his own.
5. Slade Heathcott CF, Awesome name, awesome tool set
6. Jose Ramirez RHP, Up and coming Stud, I hope!
7. Graham Stoneburner RHP, Shot up this year, read a stat he was among tops in all of minor league baseball in WHIP.
8. Corban Joseph 2B/3B, Another one of my favorites. Really believe in him
9. Dellin Betances RHP, I gave up on him. Yeah, meh. He's proving me wrong and I hope he continues to do so.
10. Gary Sanchez C, Liking what I'm seeing from him. He's really got me excited.
Edit: I forgot about Jose Ramirez.
Pokerface
06-27-10, 01:13 PM
It's a pretty good list. The only 2 changes I would make is to put Romine 2nd & take Murphy out of the top ten. He's had a good start to his career but I think people overrate him. I would put Phelps, Joseph, Stoneburner, & Ramirez ahead of him.
Zach McAllister has really taken a hit this year.
yoo-boo
06-27-10, 01:17 PM
I focus on prospects who may have a MLB shot within next 2 years.
1. C Austin Romine, AA. He continues to be proven he is everyday catcher with offense threat.
2. P Hector Noesi, AA. Solid WHIP. can be best reliever if SP job does not pan out.
3. P David Phelps, AA. Has been unhittable so far. Big and strong body that can endure for 130 pitches or deep game. 2011's 5th SP candidate.
4. 2B David Adams, AA. Has been non-stop hitting since he fixed mechanics flaw. He should learn how to play LF just in case if Gardner or Granderson fluke out next season.
5. P Andrew Brackman, AA. He is now free and rolling. 2011 5th SP candidate.
6. 3B Brandon Laird, AA, he is my MVP of the minor system easily. Placing him in the rank is difficult because he is limited defensively and Arod/Tex are locked for long time. Hopefully, he boosts the trade bait value.
7. C/DH Jesus Montero, AAA. His recent performance does not help himself. He is now potential to be a fallen prospect. Sorry, I have been hard on this kid.
8. P George Kontos, A. He can be one of best relievers in MLB but he will be given a shot to be a full time starter. Darkhorse for 5th job next season.
9. SS Eduardo Nunez, AAA. He just proves that he can hit well and now it is time for him to show something defensively. Jeter is aging but is not going anywhere. Trade Bait or move to OF.
10. Corban Joseph. He is not far behind Adams who went to college.
mwalvlior
06-27-10, 01:27 PM
1. Jesus
2. Romine
3. Man-Ban
4. Jose Ramirez
5. Slade
6. Phelps
7. Betances
8. Brackman
9. Sanchez
10. Noesi/CoJo/Adams
Joba4Prez205
06-27-10, 01:28 PM
I focus on prospects who may have a MLB shot within next 2 years.
1. C Austin Romine, AA. He continues to be proven he is everyday catcher with offense threat.
2. P Hector Noesi, AA. Solid WHIP. can be best reliever if SP job does not pan out.
3. P David Phelps, AA. Has been unhittable so far. Big and strong body that can endure for 130 pitches or deep game. 2011's 5th SP candidate.
4. 2B David Adams, AA. Has been non-stop hitting since he fixed mechanics flaw. He should learn how to play LF just in case if Gardner or Granderson fluke out next season.
5. P Andrew Brackman, AA. He is now free and rolling. 2011 5th SP candidate.
6. 3B Brandon Laird, AA, he is my MVP of the minor system easily. Placing him in the rank is difficult because he is limited defensively and Arod/Tex are locked for long time. Hopefully, he boosts the trade bait value.
7. C/DH Jesus Montero, AAA. His recent performance does not help himself. He is now potential to be a fallen prospect. Sorry, I have been hard on this kid.
8. P George Kontos, A. He can be one of best relievers in MLB but he will be given a shot to be a full time starter. Darkhorse for 5th job next season.
9. SS Eduardo Nunez, AAA. He just proves that he can hit well and now it is time for him to show something defensively. Jeter is aging but is not going anywhere. Trade Bait or move to OF.
10. Corban Joseph. He is not far behind Adams who went to college.
You sir...are what Skip Bayless refers to as..."a prisoner of the moment"
bmxstreetrider86
06-27-10, 01:29 PM
You sir...are what Skip Bayless refers to as..."a prisoner of the moment"
no, he is what i refer to as..... "on crack"
bmxstreetrider86
06-27-10, 01:32 PM
BTW 2.50, your age identifier is terrible.
just stick to aged season, or at least true age with a decimal system
Hughes2.50
06-27-10, 01:36 PM
BTW 2.50, your age identifier is terrible.
just stick to aged season, or at least true age with a decimal systemSince a year isn't easily structured in decimals I use months at +/- at the half way point of the year (at June 30th).<p>For example one can easily see that Betances is about 8 months older than Romine that way. And, that Betances is about a year and 8 months older than Montero.
teknetic
06-27-10, 01:37 PM
I focus on prospects who may have a MLB shot within next 2 years.
1. C Austin Romine, AA. He continues to be proven he is everyday catcher with offense threat.
2. P Hector Noesi, AA. Solid WHIP. can be best reliever if SP job does not pan out.
3. P David Phelps, AA. Has been unhittable so far. Big and strong body that can endure for 130 pitches or deep game. 2011's 5th SP candidate.
4. 2B David Adams, AA. Has been non-stop hitting since he fixed mechanics flaw. He should learn how to play LF just in case if Gardner or Granderson fluke out next season.
5. P Andrew Brackman, AA. He is now free and rolling. 2011 5th SP candidate.
6. 3B Brandon Laird, AA, he is my MVP of the minor system easily. Placing him in the rank is difficult because he is limited defensively and Arod/Tex are locked for long time. Hopefully, he boosts the trade bait value.
7. C/DH Jesus Montero, AAA. His recent performance does not help himself. He is now potential to be a fallen prospect. Sorry, I have been hard on this kid.
8. P George Kontos, A. He can be one of best relievers in MLB but he will be given a shot to be a full time starter. Darkhorse for 5th job next season.
9. SS Eduardo Nunez, AAA. He just proves that he can hit well and now it is time for him to show something defensively. Jeter is aging but is not going anywhere. Trade Bait or move to OF.
10. Corban Joseph. He is not far behind Adams who went to college.
What in the balls?
bmxstreetrider86
06-27-10, 02:31 PM
Since a year isn't easily structured in decimals I use months at +/- at the half way point of the year (at June 30th).For example one can easily see that Betances is about 8 months older than Romine that way. And, that Betances is about a year and 8 months older than Montero.
montero doesnt turn 21 til nearly december, there is no point listing his age as 21-5, its simply a silly way to list a players age
mwalvlior
06-27-10, 02:35 PM
Since a year isn't easily structured in decimals I use months at +/- at the half way point of the year (at June 30th).For example one can easily see that Betances is about 8 months older than Romine that way. And, that Betances is about a year and 8 months older than Montero.
Then why not just say for example 21 4 months if that is his age and leave out the +/-?
TheHugeUnit2
06-27-10, 03:02 PM
who is this kontos guy
Is that a serious question? I'm not too sure around here haha
Hughes2.50
06-27-10, 03:05 PM
Then why not just say for example 21 4 months if that is his age and leave out the +/-?Because I've listed the age the player will be in this calender year whether it is in season or not. Too many listings don't give a standardized age for minor league players, and age, when young or old, can be important in considering projectability.<p>Of course one could say 21 years 4 months or 20 years 11 months just as easily. Instead, I use the plus or minus months standaridized to the June 30th date.
Really excited about Betances. That is pretty high for 4 starts though they are all admittedly unbelievable.
I focus my rankings on high floor and then mix in ceiling a little after which is the reason for say David Phelps weing ahead of Stoneburner and Ramirez.
1) Jesus Montero
2) Austin Romine
3) Slade Heathcott
4) Manny Banuelos
5) David Phelps
6) Andrew Brackman
7) Graham Stoneburner
8) Jose Ramirez
9a) Ivan Nova (mlb experience removes him from this specific list)
9b) David Adams
10) Corban Joseph
You can probably tell that I drop players a lot from injury hence Adams and ManBan splipping a spot (or in Adams' case 3)
Zachary McAllister, Hector Noesi, Brandon Laird, Gary Sanchez, Adam Warren, and JR Murphy just don't have the floor/ceiling mixture I am looking for. Laird and even the two that precede him are extremely close to breaking the list. If I really believed they had a higher ceiling I might knock of Joseph, but I find it a little bit hard to imagine right now.
b_joseph
06-27-10, 03:31 PM
I dont know about my 10 but IMO, a 22 year old in AA ball who has an OPS over 900 has to be on a top 10 list.
Position or not...thats impressive to the maximum.
DRobertsonNYY
06-27-10, 03:31 PM
I have a real hard time putting Gary Sanchez over Brandon Laird on Hughes2.50's list.
J.R Murphy can't be on the list yet, he hasn't had any professional success yet. I'd put David Adams over him as well.
TheHugeUnit2
06-27-10, 03:55 PM
Zachary McAllister, Hector Noesi, Brandon Laird, Gary Sanchez, Adam Warren, and JR Murphy just don't have the floor/ceiling mixture I am looking for. Laird and even the two that precede him are extremely close to breaking the list. If I really believed they had a higher ceiling I might knock of Joseph, but I find it a little bit hard to imagine right now.
I think it just speaks to how deep the system has become this year. Hoepfully our 2010 draftees mix well and we add two top guys from the IFA this year.
TheHugeUnit2
06-27-10, 04:24 PM
Thanks Hughes, I love propsect rankings. Should be fun to see how everyone differs with their ratings. Here's mine... without the age since screw that much work.
1. Jesus Montero C, Come on it's Jesus.
2. Austin Romine C, bat is coming along nicely. Hoping for more power, but jeeze he's been pretty awesome this year.
3. Manny Banuelos LHP, one of my favorites. Has been since day one he signed.
4. Andrew Brackman RHP, Never gave up on him, been frustrated, glad to see him coming back into his own.
5. Slade Heathcott CF, Awesome name, awesome tool set
6. Jose Ramirez RHP, Up and coming Stud, I hope!
7. Graham Stoneburner RHP, Shot up this year, read a stat he was among tops in all of minor league baseball in WHIP.
8. Corban Joseph 2B/3B, Another one of my favorites. Really believe in him
9. Dellin Betances RHP, I gave up on him. Yeah, meh. He's proving me wrong and I hope he continues to do so.
10. Gary Sanchez C, Liking what I'm seeing from him. He's really got me excited.
Edit: I forgot about Jose Ramirez.
You know to add on my list. I got to say it was hard to leave off David Phelps, Brandon Laird and David Adams, but a guy who gets overlooked a little is Zolio Almonte who is having a great year himself.
If this was to 15, I'd probably go
11. Phelps
12. Adams
13. Laird
14. Nunez
15. Almonte
and even then I'd leave off Warren, Nova, Noesi, Culver, Murphy, both Mitchells, Mac and DeLuca.
Hughes2.50
06-27-10, 04:31 PM
You know to add on my list. I got to say it was hard to leave off David Phelps, Brandon Laird and David Adams, but a guy who gets overlooked a little is Zolio Almonte who is having a great year himself.
If this was to 15, I'd probably go
11. Phelps
12. Adams
13. Laird
14. Nunez
15. Almonte
and even then I'd leave off Warren, Nova, Noesi, Culver, Murphy, both Mitchells, Mac and DeLuca.I debated having Z. Almonte instead of Murphy at ten. Almonte is having a tremendous year and just got promoted to Tampa (high A)..
DWells4prez
06-27-10, 04:41 PM
I focus on prospects who may have a MLB shot within next 2 years.
1. C Austin Romine, AA. He continues to be proven he is everyday catcher with offense threat.
2. P Hector Noesi, AA. Solid WHIP. can be best reliever if SP job does not pan out.
3. P David Phelps, AA. Has been unhittable so far. Big and strong body that can endure for 130 pitches or deep game. 2011's 5th SP candidate.
4. 2B David Adams, AA. Has been non-stop hitting since he fixed mechanics flaw. He should learn how to play LF just in case if Gardner or Granderson fluke out next season.
5. P Andrew Brackman, AA. He is now free and rolling. 2011 5th SP candidate.
6. 3B Brandon Laird, AA, he is my MVP of the minor system easily. Placing him in the rank is difficult because he is limited defensively and Arod/Tex are locked for long time. Hopefully, he boosts the trade bait value.
7. C/DH Jesus Montero, AAA. His recent performance does not help himself. He is now potential to be a fallen prospect. Sorry, I have been hard on this kid.
8. P George Kontos, A. He can be one of best relievers in MLB but he will be given a shot to be a full time starter. Darkhorse for 5th job next season.
9. SS Eduardo Nunez, AAA. He just proves that he can hit well and now it is time for him to show something defensively. Jeter is aging but is not going anywhere. Trade Bait or move to OF.
10. Corban Joseph. He is not far behind Adams who went to college.
This list is absurd, the 2 things that are bold contradict themselves. Add in the fact that David Adams is #4, Kontos is #8, you my friend need a reality check.
yoo boo isn't very good at this prospect thing
Tom Finnigan
06-27-10, 10:12 PM
It is way too soon to rank Betances and Brackman this high in the system - Betances for his lack of pitching in the last two years, and Brackman for his poor start this year. Neither is a sure thing - I choose to wait until the end of the year when cooler heads will prevail.
Matsui55
06-27-10, 11:03 PM
It is way too soon to rank Betances and Brackman this high in the system - Betances for his lack of pitching in the last two years, and Brackman for his poor start this year. Neither is a sure thing - I choose to wait until the end of the year when cooler heads will prevail.
I disagree. When you make a top 10 prospect list, you are basing it on one of two things. The first is raw ability. The second is potential usefulness to the big league club.
No one who actually follow the Yanks drafts and the games will argue that Brackman and Betances upside (the raw ability aspect) is among the best, if not the best in the Yanks minors. As long as they remain power arms and SP, their usefulness to the Yanks is high because the can potentially fill rotation spots or be big trade chips.
Sure, Betances has been hurt- but the surgery and recovery period is over- and he's bringing mid to high 90's heat. He had time to work on his off-speed stuff, so it is not like he is just a thrower.
Brackman remains all about learning how to pitch. His utter lack of experience when drafted, as well as the TJ surgery, have him behind most his age. However, he has found command of the strike zone and a repeatable delivery. He should be on track to log around 250-300 IP over the next year and a half in the minors, in which there should be some velocity gain as increased confort with his delivery enables him to "let loose," as well as an increased understanding of the art of pitching (i.e.- using pitches to set up your next pitch, knowing when to go with the FB, and when to go off-speed, etc).
In fact, I would rank the Yanks top 10 as follows:
Montero
Romine
Heathcott
Brackman
Betances
Stoneburner
Laird
Sanchez
J. Ramirez
Phelps.
McAllister, Noesi, Nova, Warren and Phelps are all very good minor league SP, but I think their upside is no greater than a #3-#5 SP in NY. IMO, they are guys you rank in the 10-20 range, because they aren't in the class of the SP above. I chose Phelps as the #10 because IMO, I think he might be the best of that group.
I left off 3 middle INF- Joseph (good bat, but his defense is AWFUL- barring a major improvement, he might not be a middle INF), Adams (a couple good months is nice, but the previous seasons muddle the picture), Nunez (glove better, but is it ML good- and Jeter is still there). They also fit in the 11-20 range though.
I also left of Banuelos- I still question whether he's a SP- he really is small and I have questions about his long-term durability as a SP. Only other hand, he could be an excellent middle reliever and potentially a very useful trade chip.
Murphy hasn't shown enough yet to rank in the top 10, but I would reserve the right to revisit that next year. I think I would rank him 11, with a asterik, indicating that he really might be the 10th guy.
Melan-cynic
06-27-10, 11:53 PM
This list is absurd, the 2 things that are bold contradict themselves. Add in the fact that David Adams is #4, Kontos is #8, you my friend need a reality check.Zeus at #7 and Kontos at #8? Dios mio, man.
just-blaze
06-28-10, 12:27 AM
Too many people are leaving Laird off.
What he is doing in the Petco park of the minors is pretty incredible.
If this is a fluke, Cash better try and sell now.
i don't think we have any glaring need though. it's speculative trading at this point with our chips. might as well keep laird to see what we have.
McMoose
06-28-10, 07:36 AM
Thanks Hughes, I love propsect rankings. Should be fun to see how everyone differs with their ratings. Here's mine... without the age since screw that much work.
1. Jesus Montero C, Come on it's Jesus.
2. Austin Romine C, bat is coming along nicely. Hoping for more power, but jeeze he's been pretty awesome this year.
3. Manny Banuelos LHP, one of my favorites. Has been since day one he signed.
4. Andrew Brackman RHP, Never gave up on him, been frustrated, glad to see him coming back into his own.
5. Slade Heathcott CF, Awesome name, awesome tool set
6. Jose Ramirez RHP, Up and coming Stud, I hope!
7. Graham Stoneburner RHP, Shot up this year, read a stat he was among tops in all of minor league baseball in WHIP.
8. Corban Joseph 2B/3B, Another one of my favorites. Really believe in him
9. Dellin Betances RHP, I gave up on him. Yeah, meh. He's proving me wrong and I hope he continues to do so.
10. Gary Sanchez C, Liking what I'm seeing from him. He's really got me excited.
Edit: I forgot about Jose Ramirez.
I was going to do a list but I think this one's pretty much what I would have put with Laird as 10A.
TheHugeUnit2
06-28-10, 09:13 AM
Too many people are leaving Laird off.
What he is doing in the Petco park of the minors is pretty incredible.
If this is a fluke, Cash better try and sell now.
It was hard for me to leave him off, but man Sanchez's upside was just to much for me and like I said I'm a HUGE CoJo fan.
I was going to do a list but I think this one's pretty much what I would have put with Laird as 10A.
I happen to agree with most of the list, but not Joseph (Good luck with Cano at 2nd and Arod at 3rd), or Ramirez. I would substitute Mitchell and DeLuca (DeLuca is already in the mid-90s throwing). I would place Stoneburner higher, I think this guy will be in The Bronx sometime late 2011. ps: For all the negativity about the Yankees farm system. Can anyone think of another organization that picked two HS prospects later than Round 15 in the same draft, that have more promise than Mitchell and DeLuca?
TheHugeUnit2
06-28-10, 09:17 AM
I happen to agree with most of the list, but not Joseph (Good luck with Cano at 2nd and Arod at 3rd), or Ramirez. I would substitute Mitchell and DeLuca (DeLuca is already in the mid-90s throwing). I would place Stoneburner higher, I think this guy will be in The Bronx sometime late 2011. ps: For all the negativity about the Yankees farm system. Can anyone think of another organization that picked two HS prospects later than Round 15 in the same draft, that have more promise than Mitchell and DeLuca?
haha I actually had Mitchell 9th in my pre season top 10, dropped him a little just due to everyone having great years. I expect huge things from him and DeLuca. Don't see how you can knock Ramirez off for DeLuca or Mitchell though. They are about the same age yet Ramirez is holding his own in full season ball already. All three have great stuff though.
yoo-boo
06-28-10, 09:31 AM
This list is absurd, the 2 things that are bold contradict themselves. Add in the fact that David Adams is #4, Kontos is #8, you my friend need a reality check.
It would be if I rated Romine below than Montero. I picked Romine as everyday catcher so that means Posada would be everyday DH, which is good for next full 2 seasons. No room for Montero unless you want to waste his talent at backup jobs. Cashman wont trade Montero at all. Because of MLB shot mentioned, Montero is caught in the limbo.
Kontos was closer to be on Yankees roster last season and you dont think he is not that good to be on any MLB roster next year? You are sadly mistaken. He can still start but his instant future should be in bullpen.
I am not ready to call Adams as an everyday player. Gardner and Granderson are starting in the OF so Yanks still need a right handed bat off the bench. He will be a great upgrade to Russo and Montero cant play OF unless you want to emulate Dodgers (Ramirez at LF).
Only mistake I made is Joseph at 10 when it should be either Betances or Banuelos.
yoo-boo
06-28-10, 09:38 AM
yoo boo isn't very good at this prospect thing
you have not made the list yet. Just because I made an oddly list does not mean I suck. I have a nasty habit as I always like to bury the number one prospect in somewhere.
TheHugeUnit2
06-28-10, 09:45 AM
you have not made the list yet. Just because I made an oddly list does not mean I suck. I have a nasty habit as I always like to bury the number one prospect in somewhere.
to make it seem like the system is much deeper or something? haha
yoo-boo
06-28-10, 09:55 AM
to make it seem like the system is much deeper or something? haha
Something like that. Who says I cant cheat. haha.
i don't know enough to make a list of value, so why bother. but i do know that ranking montero 7th is ridiculous, so is your general approach and criteria toward judging the value of prospects.
if we are playing fantasy baseball i'd trade with you pretty often.
Melan-cynic
06-28-10, 12:57 PM
1. Jesus Montero
2. Austin Romine
3. Andrew Brackman
4. Manny Banuelos
5. Dellin Betances
6. Gary Sanchez
7. Slade Heathcott
8. Jose Ramirez
9. Graham Stoneburner
10. Brandon Laird
Next Five: David Phelps, Adams, CoJo, Noesi, Nunez/Nova
yankee82093
06-28-10, 01:54 PM
It would be if I rated Romine below than Montero. I picked Romine as everyday catcher so that means Posada would be everyday DH, which is good for next full 2 seasons. No room for Montero unless you want to waste his talent at backup jobs. Cashman wont trade Montero at all. Because of MLB shot mentioned, Montero is caught in the limbo.
Kontos was closer to be on Yankees roster last season and you dont think he is not that good to be on any MLB roster next year? You are sadly mistaken. He can still start but his instant future should be in bullpen.
I am not ready to call Adams as an everyday player. Gardner and Granderson are starting in the OF so Yanks still need a right handed bat off the bench. He will be a great upgrade to Russo and Montero cant play OF unless you want to emulate Dodgers (Ramirez at LF).
Only mistake I made is Joseph at 10 when it should be either Betances or Banuelos.
There's no reason why this should count against Montero. Prospect evaluation should be performed in a more general context:
A) What is the potential value this prospect offers to a MLB team?
B) What is the potential value this prospect offers to the Yankees (a specific MLB team, as opposed to any MLB team)
Prospect evaluation should be done using A, not B.
Matsui55
06-28-10, 07:38 PM
1. Jesus Montero
2. Austin Romine
3. Andrew Brackman
4. Manny Banuelos
5. Dellin Betances
6. Gary Sanchez
7. Slade Heathcott
8. Jose Ramirez
9. Graham Stoneburner
10. Brandon Laird
Next Five: David Phelps, Adams, CoJo, Noesi, Nunez/Nova
Considering that I had the same 10, just in a different order, hard to argue much.
Melan-cynic
06-28-10, 08:52 PM
Considering that I had the same 10, just in a different order, hard to argue much.Except I had Banuelos 4th and you don't have him in your top 10. I had Phelps as #11 but yeah, pretty close to the same list.
bmxstreetrider86
06-28-10, 09:35 PM
1. Jesus Montero
2. Austin Romine
3. Slade Heathcott
4. Andrew Brackman
5. Gary Sanchez
6. Graham Stoneburner
7. Dellin Betances
8. Brandon Laird
9. Jose Ramirez
10. Corban Joseph
HM: Adams, Banuelos, Murphy, Noesi, Phelps
DWells4prez
06-28-10, 09:43 PM
1. Jesus Montero
2. Austin Romine
3. Slade Heathcott
4. Andrew Brackman
5. Gary Sanchez
6. Brandon Laird
7. Dellin Betances
8. Jose Ramirez
9. Graham Stoneburner
10. Manny Banuelos
Honorable Mention: Phelps, Z. Almonte, C. Joseph, H. Noesi.
My list is a mix of players with the highest ceiling, factored in with the possibility and glimpses they have shown of reaching it, and their ability to show improvements/adjustments.
Some may not like Brackman that high but I started that bandwagon and he is simply too unique to put any lower.
Matsui55
06-28-10, 11:07 PM
While there is little doubt about results to date, I still am not sold on Banuelos as a SP. He is really small- and even taking into account that he's not really a power pitcher- I'm not sure that he has the body to have the stamina to make 32-34 starts a year in the bigs.
Melan-cynic
06-28-10, 11:56 PM
Size has become somewhat of an overrated barometer in starting pitchers and Banuelos is most definitely a special talent. An 18 year-old throwing 90-92 and topping out at 94-95 is more than enough when he has the type of impeccable control and poise that Manny possesses. I understand that you're skeptical, it's your prerogative, but I think ManBan is going to be something special. Not to mention he has proven more than JoRam and at a younger age. [though I love him as a prospect as well]
DWells4prez
06-28-10, 11:58 PM
Quite understandable but his delivery isn't high effort or high maintenance. His velocity has been 89-92 since he's returned, maybe a tick higher and hopefully he will have a huge second-half when he goes to Tampa any-day now.
Matsui55
06-29-10, 12:04 AM
Size has become somewhat of an overrated barometer in starting pitchers and Banuelos is most definitely a special talent. An 18 year-old throwing 90-92 and topping out at 94-95 is more than enough when he has the type of impeccable control and poise that Manny possesses. I understand that you're skeptical, it's your prerogative, but I think ManBan is going to be something special. Not to mention he has proven more than JoRam and at a younger age. [though I love him as a prospect as well]
True, but outside of Pedro, Oswalt, and Johan Santana, how many durable small SP can you think of? While these guys are big success stories, there are others like Hampton who just break down.
If I had the choice, I go with the Huges/Joba sized guy almost every time. Sure, I'll miss on a few big names, but more often than not, the bigger guy will be the durable big winner.
does he look like the type that will pitch for 15 years in the league? if not then the yankees are really only concerned with his value for the first few cost controlled years. the body type isn't really that big of a deal during these years.
Melan-cynic
06-29-10, 12:12 AM
True, but outside of Pedro, Oswalt, and Johan Santana, how many durable small SP can you think of? While these guys are big success stories, there are others like Hampton who just break down.
If I had the choice, I go with the Huges/Joba sized guy almost every time. Sure, I'll miss on a few big names, but more often than not, the bigger guy will be the durable big winner.Tim Lincecum [at 5'10] won two Cy Youngs and is one of the top 3 pitchers on the planet. Tim Hudson is maybe 6 foot. Tom Glavine and Greg Maddux were both 5'11 to 6' as well and were the epitome of durability. And that's just off the top of my head over a 30 second period.
Whitey Ford, 5'10, who is Manny's organizational comp thanks to his icewater veins, mound presence, diminutive stature and pitchability, had a pretty durable career as well.
Like I said, there is an attachment to drafting 6'6 guys. I'm not saying it's wrong but it has created an unrealistic bias against the smaller guys due to popular belief more than any kind of fact. Big guys break down just as unexpectedly as shorter guys. If a guy has a smooth delivery he is ahead of the game, and Manny B. definitely has that going for him.
mwalvlior
06-29-10, 12:24 AM
manny size might be a bigger issue if he was an all out effort pitcher who threw hard and could wear out that way but he relies more on knowing how to pitch and his size wont negatively impact him in that way.
Matsui55
06-29-10, 12:26 AM
manny size might be a bigger issue if he was an all out effort pitcher who threw hard and could wear out that way but he relies more on knowing how to pitch and his size wont negatively impact him in that way.
I guess I want to see him log a full season somewhere and show he's strong enough to go 180-200 IP and make his 32-34 starts. Like I said, the results and stuff are not in question- I just want to see that he can be durable.
mwalvlior
06-29-10, 12:31 AM
I guess I want to see him log a full season somewhere and show he's strong enough to go 180-200 IP and make his 32-34 starts. Like I said, the results and stuff are not in question- I just want to see that he can be durable.
certainly understandable. they protected him last year because of age, and then this year when he would have been pushed more he had the appendectomy. next year will be important on that front.
While there is little doubt about results to date, I still am not sold on Banuelos as a SP. He is really small- and even taking into account that he's not really a power pitcher- I'm not sure that he has the body to have the stamina to make 32-34 starts a year in the bigs.
Ron Guidry says hello. ;)
Seriously, at his age, he may put on some weight that will help his stamina in the long run. So, we shall see. It is still way early in his career.
Yankees1962
06-29-10, 07:30 AM
Tim Lincecum [at 5'10] won two Cy Youngs and is one of the top 3 pitchers on the planet. Tim Hudson is maybe 6 foot. Tom Glavine and Greg Maddux were both 5'11 to 6' as well and were the epitome of durability. And that's just off the top of my head over a 30 second period.
Whitey Ford, 5'10, who is Manny's organizational comp thanks to his icewater veins, mound presence, diminutive stature and pitchability, had a pretty durable career as well.
Like I said, there is an attachment to drafting 6'6 guys. I'm not saying it's wrong but it has created an unrealistic bias against the smaller guys due to popular belief more than any kind of fact. Big guys break down just as unexpectedly as shorter guys. If a guy has a smooth delivery he is ahead of the game, and Manny B. definitely has that going for him.
Don't forget Santana, who is under 6'.
TheHugeUnit2
06-29-10, 08:53 AM
Here's my top 30
1. Jesus Montero C
2. Austin Romine C
3. Manny Banuelos LHP
4. Andrew Brackman RHP
5. Slade Heathcott CF
6. Jose Ramirez RHP
7. Graham Stoneburner RHP
8. Corban Joseph 2B/3B,
9. Dellin Betances RHP
10. Gary Sanchez C
11. David Phelps
12. David Adams
13. Brandon Laird
14. Ed Nunez
15. Zolio Almonte
16. Adam Warren
17. Cito Culver
18. Bryan Mitchell
19. JR Murphy
20. Ivan Nova
21. Evan DeLuca
22. Hector Noesi
23. Caleb Cotham
24. Jose Mojica
25. Brett Marshall
26. Mark Melancon
27. Zach McAllister
28. Ray Nunez
29. Tim Norton
30. DJ Mitchell
31. Kelvin DeLeon
corsari42
06-29-10, 09:43 AM
Alright, I'll play.
1. Montero C
2. Romine C
3. Brackman RHP
4. Banuelos LHP
5. Heathcott CF
6. Sanchez C
7. Betances RHP
8. Stoneburner RHP
9. Ramirez RHP
10. Laird 3B
11. Phelps RHP
12. Joseph M-INF
13. Noesi RHP
14. E. Nunez SS
15. Culver SS
Melan-cynic
06-29-10, 10:27 AM
Don't forget Santana, who is under 6'.
I didn't. Santana was the third guy Matsui listed in the post I was responding to: http://www.nyyfans.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6863961&postcount=49
NY_GOLDENARMS
06-29-10, 11:35 AM
Lists are fun.
1. Montero
2. Romine
3. Heathcott
4. Betances
5. Brackman
6. Banuelos
7. Sanchez
8. Joseph
9. Stoneburner
10. Laird
11. Ramirez
12. Adams
13. Phelps
14. Nunez
15. Noesi
Deep system.....
Tom Finnigan
06-29-10, 11:48 AM
Here's my top 30
1. Jesus Montero C
2. Austin Romine C
3. Manny Banuelos LHP
4. Andrew Brackman RHP
5. Slade Heathcott CF
6. Jose Ramirez RHP
7. Graham Stoneburner RHP
8. Corban Joseph 2B/3B,
9. Dellin Betances RHP
10. Gary Sanchez C
11. David Phelps
12. David Adams
13. Brandon Laird
14. Ed Nunez
15. Zolio Almonte
16. Adam Warren
17. Cito Culver
18. Bryan Mitchell
19. JR Murphy
20. Ivan Nova
21. Evan DeLuca
22. Hector Noesi
23. Caleb Cotham
24. Jose Mojica
25. Brett Marshall
26. Mark Melancon
27. Zach McAllister
28. Ray Nunez
29. Tim Norton
30. DJ Mitchell
31. Kelvin DeLeon
I would think Schaefer Hall belongs in here, as well as Dan Brewer.
BennyTheJetRodriguez
06-29-10, 12:01 PM
1-Montero
2-Betances
3-Brackman
4-Romine
5-Banuelos
6-Sanchez
7-Heathcott
8-Ramirez
9-Laird
10- Joseph
TheHugeUnit2
06-29-10, 02:08 PM
I would think Schaefer Hall belongs in here, as well as Dan Brewer.Hall yeah, forgot about him. Brewer.... hmm I got to say no on that one. Not real high on him, sorry.
yoo-boo
06-29-10, 02:16 PM
I played around with this lists of top 10 prospects. Did a little math to reveal the combination of 12 votes excluded mine. Non top 10 means 12 points.
1. Jesus Montero - 12 (unanimous).
2. Austin Romine - 28.
3. Andrew Brackman - 51.
4. Slade Heathcott - 56.
5. Manuel Banuelos - 72.
6. Dellin Betances - 76.
7. Gary Sanchez - 91.
8. Jose Ramirez - 99.
9. Graham Stoneburner - 104.
10. Brandon Laird - 106.
11. Corban Joseph - 126.
12. David Phelps - 129.
mwalvlior
06-29-10, 02:19 PM
I played around with this lists of top 10 prospects. Did a little math to reveal the combination of 12 votes excluded mine. Non top 10 means 12 points.
1. Jesus Montero - 12 (unanimous).
2. Austin Romine - 28.
3. Andrew Brackman - 51.
4. Slade Heathcott - 56.
5. Manuel Banuelos - 72.
6. Dellin Betances - 76.
7. Gary Sanchez - 91.
8. Jose Ramirez - 99.
9. Graham Stoneburner - 104.
10. Brandon Laird - 106.
11. Corban Joseph - 126.
12. David Phelps - 129.
looks about right at least in terms of the players.
Melan-cynic
06-29-10, 02:33 PM
That's exactly my top 10 except I had Slade after Sanchez instead of before ManBan.
jeter62375
06-30-10, 01:26 PM
Quick piece on Dellin on milb.com
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100630&content_id=11751588&vkey=news_milb&fext=.jsp
Hughes2.50
07-01-10, 11:43 PM
Frankie Pilliere steps up with his <a href="http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/07/01/revised-top-25-prospects-of-2010/?sms_ss=twitter">top 25 prospects</a href> in all of baseball.<p>Montero at 5 (#1 on my Yankee mid-season list), Romine at 15 (#4), and Gary Sanchez 25 (#5). <p>I think Frankie dropped the ball on Betances and Brackman. That's ok, he probably would lose all of his non-Yankee readership if he had those guys in the top 25 too. :)
to be fair, those two have a fairly short track record to go on.
Hughes2.50
07-02-10, 12:01 AM
to be fair, those two have a fairly short track record to go on.Shorter than Gary Sanchez? <p>Hey, I know, some have to see more to make sure Betances and Brackman are back, and dominating.
sanchez is not a pitcher, skills are less volatile/more repeatable. also has a higher prior profile that allows for projection.
Yankee Fan in Boston
07-02-10, 08:26 PM
sanchez is not a pitcher, skills are less volatile/more repeatable. also has a higher prior profile that allows for projection.
Huh? He has 40 ABs in the GCL. I don't know how much projection you can get off of that.
yes, the yankees gave him 3 million based on 40 abs in the gcl. great.
seriously. what
Yankee Fan in Boston
07-02-10, 09:31 PM
yes, the yankees gave him 3 million based on 40 abs in the gcl. great.
seriously. what
He was still a 16 year old kid -- I don't get how that enables more of a projection than someone like Brackman (who also happened to have a higher signing bonus than Sanchez)
one is a pitcher, one is a hitter. one is more risky, but if the upside is hit is more precious of a position.
still, saying "Huh? He has 40 ABs in the GCL. I don't know how much projection you can get off of that." is INEXPLICABLE.
Yankee Fan in Boston
07-02-10, 09:41 PM
one is a pitcher, one is a hitter. one is more risky, but if the upside is hit is more precious of a position.
still, saying "Huh? He has 40 ABs in the GCL. I don't know how much projection you can get off of that." is INEXPLICABLE.
All things being equal that's true -- but they're not. One has had success at Tampa, and the other the GCL.
My comment was made in response to your comment about the "higher profile" - It's not like Brackman wasn't a pretty high profile (and expensive) acquisition for us. Is that EXPLICABLE enough for you?
what's inexplicable is your implied argument that sanchez's projection is only based on his gcl at bats. at that level evaluation is mostly scouting for tools. hitters' tools are seen as more reliably projectable, that's that.
higher profile is arguable, but the main thing here is the variance. brackman is more of a hit or miss gamble than sanchez given the fact that one is a raw-ish pitching prospect and one is a position player with some positional flexibility.
the bonus figures were produced in different contexts anyway. sanchez doesn't have as much leverage as brackman for some obvious reasons.
Yankee Fan in Boston
07-02-10, 09:56 PM
what's inexplicable is your implied argument that sanchez's projection is only based on his gcl at bats.
higher profile is arguable, but the main thing here is the variance. brackman is more of a hit or miss gamble than sanchez given the fact that one is a raw-ish pitching prospect and one is a position player with some positional flexibility.
Sorry if you inferred that from my post, but even if you did it should have been clarified by my subsequent posts, so I don't get what the issue is.
And I was drawn into this discussion by your comment about the pitchers having a short track record to go on -- which is pretty ironic.
For the record, I love Sanchez, but I am pretty stunned that someone would have him in their top-25 list at this point.
eh, sorry if i inferred that? what else could i infer from your post.
anyway, i don't care anymore. but yeah, that ranking is just a fanboy vote by frankie
for the pitchers' sample size thing, with brackman we are not really talking about a guy with a clean trackrecord. he's only "turned a corner," and that's overturning his previous record. that and he is still raw and anything can happen. if you've got a polished guy with what is seen as good and clean mechanics, that guy's short sample of success would weight more because of his scouting profile.
Hughes2.50
07-02-10, 11:39 PM
anyway, i don't care anymore. but yeah, that ranking is just a fanboy vote by frankieFrankie is a fanboy now.
he says so himself for that vote on sanchez, in different words. let's not pretend that prospect rankings is an objective science here, especially for the lower spot guys.
TheHugeUnit2
07-03-10, 06:18 AM
He was still a 16 year old kid -- I don't get how that enables more of a projection than someone like Brackman (who also happened to have a higher signing bonus than Sanchez)
So you wouldn't have Harper listed on yours? If a kid has talent thats enough for me. Talent most likely will lead to results, just have to be a bit lucky too.
Hughes2.50
08-03-10, 11:48 PM
KG gives some props to <a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=11657">Betances and Laird</a href>.
Dynasties R Forever
08-04-10, 12:59 AM
I focus on prospects who may have a MLB shot within next 2 years.
You're sleeping on Tim Redding
flymick24
08-04-10, 01:49 AM
on or with?
TheHugeUnit2
08-04-10, 12:33 PM
This guy knows his stuff. Here's his list. He's from TalkSox.com
jacksonianmarch[/B]] Yankee prospects, my top 20 mid season
1. Jesus Montero, 20yr old C, AAA-.278/.354/.467- a top 5 prospect in the game and probably the biggest offensive prospect coming into this season. He struggled for the first two months in adjusting to pitcher’s pitching around him. After getting back to what made him great through his minor league career, the 20 yr old has been on a tear. Over the last 33 games, his OPS is approaching 1.100 and his OPS on the yr is .821. A far cry from the mid .600s from just a month earlier. Defense is said to be improving, but he’s still no defensive whiz
2. Austin Romine, 21yr old C, AA-.275/.349/.413- as an overall prospect, Romine has really jumped onto the scene over the past 2 seasons. He started out this season incredibly hot, hitting .330 through the first month and maintaining a BA over .300 through 2 months. June and July have not been kind though. Regardless, he has shown good pop and a great presence behind the plate. He wont be a top tier masher, but his bat should carry well in a starter’s role in the bigs. His defense is top notch, though.
3. Manuel Banuelos, 19yr old LHP, GCL-A+-23.1IP 1.47ERA, 0.94WHIP 11.2K/9IP- Banuelos entered the yr as the top Yankee pitching prospect. But an appendectomy took his first two months of the season. Ever since his return, he’s shown good velocity (sits 92, touches 95-96) and a fantastic curve-change combo. He’s small, but his motion is effortless. Even though he will probably reach about 80IP this yr due to his injury, he’s probably ticketed for fall ball and should debut in AA in 2011.
4. Dellin Betances, 22yr old RHP, A+-40IP 1.35ERA 0.80WHIP 10.6K/9IP- Betances was the talk of the 2006 draft as a project flamethrower. Well, the Yankee brass did him no favors. After dominating in the GCL at the start of his career, elbow pain started limiting his effectiveness. He was sidelined for most of the yr in 2007 but made what seemed like a full recovery in 2008, throwing well for Charleston. In 2009, he looked completely off with Tampa and eventually underwent ligament “reinforcement” surgery. Essentially the same procedure as TJS, but instead of removing the torn ligament, they left it in place and put the tendon from his leg around it, essentially doubling its strength. He came back in record time and looking like his old self again, snapping off a good curve and sitting mid 90s. His last 2 starts have seen him likely experiencing a dead arm period as the FB has dipped into the low 90s, but if he can maintain his stuff, then he’s back on the forefront of the yankee prospect circle
5. Andrew Brackman, 24yr old, A+-AA- 85.2IP 4.94ERA 1.33WHIP 8.3K/9IP- Brackman has been very frustrating to follow since he was signed in 2007. TJS in 2008, flashes of brilliance mixed in with a lot of putrid efforts in 2009. He started the yr off terribly as well, but after a return from a hand injury, he’s been money. WHIP sub 1, K/BB of 7 in High A, good enough to warrant a promotion. In Trenton, his command has been worse than it was in High A, but his stuff still shines through. He is by no means a finished product, but his curveball is showing signs of returning to “wipeout” range and his FB has upticked into the mid 90s again. Assuming they can keep his mechanics together (which is not a foregone conclusion) we should see him progress. Due to his size and his injury history, his age wont be taken into account as much as it would with others. Expect the Yankees to keep him in AA this yr and move him to AAA next. He needs to be in the Bronx by 2012 or they risk losing him
6. Gary Sanchez, 17yr old C, GCL- .378/.455/.622- Sanchez was the big IFA signing from 2009 and he is showing he is worth the cash. Defensively, he has shown that he has the tools, although he is still raw. He’s got a cannon of an arm and is getting more accurate. He has the quicks to block the ball, but his mechanics need work and his gamecalling needs a bit of work. But the tools are there for him to be a top notch defensive catcher. Offensively, the kid is on another planet. He has light tower power to all fields as a 17 yr old and has shown a very advanced approach to the plate. When the Yankees signed him, they talked about how he paralleled Montero offensively and Romine defensively. If that plays out, then Sanchez might be the Yankee future behind the dish
7. Corban Joseph, 21yr old 2B, A+- .311/.385/.453- Joseph is a masher, plain and simple. The Yankees selected him out of HS in 2008 and he has shown advanced offensive tools ever since. His power is starting to come and his eye has continued to impress. And his numbers are even more impressive considering the league. The FSL is where hitters go to die, and this guy is just tearing it up. Defensively, he’s made 12 errors in 80+ games. So while not great, he is definitely improving from the butcher that he was. I still think his future is in the OF, but he has starting offensive tools. Expect him to hit AA next yr and he should be a big league option by 2012.
8. Graham Stoneburner, 22yr old RHP, A/A+- 99.1IP 2.36ERA 0.91WHIP 9.2K/9IP- Stoneburner was a 14th rounder from 2009 who was a DES, meaning he fell due to signability issues. The Yankees inked him and he hasn’t looked back. He throws a mid 90s sinker with a wipeout slider that has served him very well. His high K/9IP, impeccable control and high GO/AO ratio (1.88) all bode well for the young righty. But the progression of his changeup from minus to average will determine his role in the bigs. Regardless, he has a bright future either in the rotation or at the back end of the pen
9. David Phelps, 23yr old RHP, AA/AAA- 106IP 2.04ERA 1.01WHIP 8.7K/9IP- Phelps was another 14th rounder, this time from the 2008 draft out of ND. Known at the time as a pitchability guy with good control and a deep arsenal, he looked the part of a guy who would move up the charts. But last season, his velocity spiked into the mid 90s, where he is now sitting in the 93-94 range, topping out at 96. He’s shown this yr, that the spike in velocity is no fluke. He complements that with a plus curve and a solid change, all of which he locates well. In 2 seasons, he’s navigated A ball all the way to AAA and is probably second in line for a spot start behind Ivan Nova. Phelps profiles as a #2 starter with his current stuff, and his progression has been nothing short of impressive
10. Slade Heathcott, 19yr old CFer, A- .282/.352/.359- Heathcott is a true 5 tool prospect, drafted out of HS as the Yankees #1 pick a yr ago. He signed late, so he has been adjusting to the wood in his first yr, but the Yankees are very pleased with his progress. While his power is a bit late to the game, he is hitting for a solid average and taking his fair share of walks. He has also stolen a base every 4th game as well. The two biggest areas of concern for Slade have been health and strikeouts. He has missed time on two separate occasions with shoulder and arm issues and has struck out more than 1 time per game. If he can scale back his reckless abandon to a level that allows him to play solid D without jamming shoulders AND if he can start making more contact, he could reach his potential. Slade has all the makings of a top flight CFer, and this yr has shown that he has the innate tools. It’s all about progression from here
11. Eduardo Nunez, 23yr old SS, AAA- .304/.358/.405- Nunez was signed in 2004 and from 04-08, the biggest question was if he would ever start showing that he belonged. It took a midseason promotion from A to A+ in 2008 to spark something in Nunez to start kicking it into gear. Since then, he’s swung a potent bat. Over the past 2 seasons, he’s posted BA’s of over .300, but the most impressive thing this yr in patience. Last yr, his IsoPatience was .027. This yr, he’s nearly doubled it to .051. Add to that the 19 stolen bases and the significantly improved defense and you are looking at a guy who should be a starting SS in the big leagues. The big problem is the guy in front of him is gonna be around for a little while longer. Nunez was placed on the 40 man prior to this yr, so he has already lost one option yr. He’ll need to be in the Bronx for good come 2013 or the Yanks would have to put him through waivers. He is becoming a pretty important trade chip for this franchise
12. David Adams, 23 yr old 2b, AA- .309/.393/.507- Adams was considered a 1st round talent when the Yankees took him in 2008, but he slipped to the 3rd round after a subpar season at the University of Virginia. Since coming to NY, he’s done nothing but rake. The guy has an OPS of .816 in his first full season with a wooden bat and started out this yr white hot, with an OPS at .900 and stealing 5 bags in 2 months. The problem is, Adams sprained an ankle on May 22nd and has been out ever since. Word was, 2 months ago that he would return in a couple weeks. Well, it’s been nearly a month and no word. He was to be involved in the failed Cliff Lee trade, but his physical was alarming. I can only assume that Adams has a pretty significant injury to his ankle. Regardless, assuming he can return to full health, he’s a big league 2b in the wings. The problem is two-fold. 1, Robby Cano is young and entrenched at 2B in the bigs and 2, obviously David’s health. I see Adams as a trade chip mostly as he plays a good 2B and swings a potent stick.
13. JR Murphy, 19yr old C, A-.240/.284/.327- Murphy was the Yankees second rounder from 2009 out of the Pendleton School in Florida. He started the yr in EST and moved to the long season leagues at the end of May. Thing is, Murphy was probably rushed. He signed late last yr, so he didn’t get to adjust to the wooden bat, and it seems he’s struggling with it this season. But overall, he has a good approach and has shown a lot of pop through instructs, so the assumption is that it will come. He was a 3B and OFer in HS, but the Yankees are grooming him at C. As one can see from the above players, the position is pretty stacked. He is raw behind the dish, but has shown good skills. The hope for the Yankees is that he progresses steadily with the stick and the glove and his projection is as a starting catcher. As a 19 yr old, though, he’s got a long way to go
14. Cito Culver, 17yr old SS, GCL- .231/.311/.295- Culver was the much criticized 1st rounder of the Yankees this season. He’s a switch hitting speedster with a slick glove who the Yankees think projects as a starting SS. He also signed for slot quickly, which makes me think the Yankees were saving some bank for later on in the draft. Regardless, his defensive game is ahead of his offensive, although he has shown a good eye in his short tenure. The hitting adjustments are taking some time, though, as he is adjusting to the wooden bat. That being said, the fact that he started so soon means that he should have it down pat come next season.
15. Hector Noesi, 23yr old RHP, A+/AA 112IP 2.17ERA 0.94WHIP 9.0K/9IP 6.2K/BB- Hector Noesi was signed out of the DR in 2004. He spent 2005-2008 tolling through injury, PED suspension, and short season before really finding his secondary stuff last yr in the SAL. But once he harnessed his curveball, he’s been downright untouchable since. Previous to this, he was really a FB-change guy who located very well. But now he sits low 90s with a hammer curve and a plus change, and he has used that to put up ridiculous Nintendo numbers over the past 2 yrs. Hector has top of the rotation stuff and should be in AAA before long.
16. Jose Ramirez, 20yr old RHP, A-90.2IP 3.28ERA 1.19WHIP 8.2K/9IP 2.9K/BB- Ramirez is quite a prospect for this Yankee farm and follows in the line of solid pitchers that the Yankees keep developing. Ramirez has seen his FB velocity increased over the past 2 yrs. The guy sits low to mid 90s and can touch as high as 96. He throws a plus changeup and has been working on a curveball which has improved over the season. He’s probably due to get shut down in the next few weeks as he is young and hasn’t thrown this much in his career. His stuff is impressive and he profiles as a top of the rotation pitcher if he stays healthy. He’ll be in Tampa in 2011 with a very strong chance of moving northward
17. Ivan Nova, 23yr old RHP, AAA-111.2IP 3.06ERA 1.31WHIP 6.8K/9IP 2.1K/BB- Nova is really putting on a show of late for the scouts in AAA. Typically sitting low 90s with the occasional 95, Nova has been sitting around 95 and in some games even sitting at 97mph. He’s always had great run on his fastball, which garners him a ton of ground balls (1.6GO/AO) but he has always been knocked for his approach. For a guy who has a mid 90s heater and 2 plus secondary offerings, he seems to pitch to contact far too much. The Yankees have been working with him on setting batters up and it seems to be working as he’s posting his highest K/9IP rate in any long season league. Also, of late, we have seen some 6,7,and 9 K performances showing that he is making strides. He’s got the stuff of a top of the rotation starter and the kind of movement most pitchers dream of. But his projection seems to always be limited by his approach. He’s probably more of a #3 in the bigs, but if he continues to improve on his setup and staying off the plate in deeper counts, then he could propel to the top of a rotation.
18. Brandon Laird, 22yr old 3B/1B, AA- .278/.340/.508- Laird has proven throughout his minor league career that he can hit homers and drive in runs. He was 9th in A ball in 2008 in RBI with 86. In 2009, he led the FSL in RBI with 75. This yr, he leads all of MiLB in RBI with 84. He’s also in the top 5 in homers with 21. What I am really impressed with is the progression in his plate approach. He’s on pace for over 50 walks, which would be a career high, although he is also on pace for 100K’s which would also be a career high. He slimmed down in the offseason and has been playing a decent 3b, although he has been working out at 1b and LF of late. My best guess is that he profiles as a starting 1b or a starting COF in the bigs. His power is too big to pass up, and if he continues improving with his discipline, he could be a really good one
19. Adam Warren, 22yr old RHP, A+/AA- 93IP 2.23ERA 1.12WHIP 7.5K/9IP 3.5K/BB- Warren has been a revelation since we drafted him in the 4th round in 2009. He’s seen a velocity boost from 89-91 to 92-96mph with his 4 seamer. He also throws a solid 2 seamer in the low 90s with good bite. He throws three plus potential off speed offerings with the changeup being close to plus now. He throws a good curve and a promising slider as well. Though he has solid stuff, he is a very economical pitcher and definitely profiles as a starter. Not sure if he’s top of the rotation caliber as he doesn’t have the K numbers of most dominant pitchers, but he looks like he safely projects into the middle of a rotation. Regardless, the Yanks have something here
20. Brett Marshall, 20yr old RHP, GCL/A- 36IP 3.25ERA 1.22WHIP 8.3K/9IP 2.4K/BB- Brett Marshall has thrust himself even further into the hearts and minds of Yankee prospect circles. After having TJS the middle of last season, he’s recovered quickly. Now back on the mound, the Yankees have stopped tinkering with him. He was drafted in 2008 and was easily the most promising arm in the draft. The Yanks took away his best off speed offering (slider) in the hopes of teaching him a pitch that has less stress on the arm (curve). Well, he blew out his arm throwing a curve, so the Yankees decided to give him back his slidepiece. And it has been very, very solid. His velocity is back up into the mid 90s range, although he seems to be controlling things a bit better in the 91-93mph range. Regardless, if this kid can avoid major injury again and find a way to control the ball at higher velocities, he could have a future in the rotation. But I have a feeling this kid ends up as a power reliever. He’ll be in Tampa in 2011 and should have an IP limit.
http://www.talksox.com/forum/damn-yankees/13921-yankee-minor-league-notes-10.html#post567647 (http://www.talksox.com/forum/damn-yankees/13921-yankee-minor-league-notes-10.html#post567647)
Murphy and Ed Nunez are too high with Warren and Ramirez too low
Still a very nice list from a sox fan. It's really nice when a Sox fan thinks our number 17 prospect is limited to being a potential number 3 starter. Very nice comments like that are hard to find. A lot of them seem almost too positive actually so let's hope he really does know his stuff.
nnysiny
08-04-10, 12:51 PM
This guy knows his stuff. Here's his list. He's from TalkSox.com
http://www.talksox.com/forum/damn-yankees/13921-yankee-minor-league-notes-10.html#post567647 (http://www.talksox.com/forum/damn-yankees/13921-yankee-minor-league-notes-10.html#post567647)
very good read. thanks
nnysiny
08-04-10, 12:52 PM
Murphy and Ed Nunez are too high with Warren and Ramirez too low
Still a very nice list from a sox fan. It's really nice when a Sox fan thinks our number 17 prospect is limited to being a potential number 3 starter. Very nice comments like that are hard to find. A lot of them seem almost too positive actually so let's hope he really does know his stuff.
he has a Yankees avatar and references to the Yankees as "we." hes a Yankees fan
TheHugeUnit2
08-04-10, 12:53 PM
Murphy and Ed Nunez are too high with Warren and Ramirez too low
Still a very nice list from a sox fan. It's really nice when a Sox fan thinks our number 17 prospect is limited to being a potential number 3 starter. Very nice comments like that are hard to find. A lot of them seem almost too positive actually so let's hope he really does know his stuff.
Would you be willing to put anyone from the 2010 draft class in your top 20, signed or unsigned.
yankee82093
08-04-10, 01:43 PM
This guy knows his stuff. Here's his list. He's from TalkSox.com
http://www.talksox.com/forum/damn-yankees/13921-yankee-minor-league-notes-10.html#post567647 (http://www.talksox.com/forum/damn-yankees/13921-yankee-minor-league-notes-10.html#post567647)
Definitely optimistic. Hector Noesi does not have "top of the rotation" stuff. Everything I have read about him indicates that he has about average stuff and dominates minor league hitters with command
TheHugeUnit2
08-04-10, 01:49 PM
Definitely optimistic. Hector Noesi does not have "top of the rotation" stuff. Everything I have read about him indicates that he has about average stuff and dominates minor league hitters with command
Don't say that to boreifs (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=303&up=boreifs) like ever haha. Guy has a mad crush on him. Noesi seems to have a lot of Yankee fans split, some really like him and some can take him or leave him.
jeter62375
08-04-10, 02:01 PM
This guy knows his stuff. Here's his list. He's from TalkSox.com
http://www.talksox.com/forum/damn-yankees/13921-yankee-minor-league-notes-10.html#post567647 (http://www.talksox.com/forum/damn-yankees/13921-yankee-minor-league-notes-10.html#post567647)
sounds like we better enter another team in the american league to accomodate for all these future super stars .. haha
TheHugeUnit2
08-04-10, 02:04 PM
sounds like we better enter another team in the american league to accomodate for all these future super stars .. haha
Well to be honest those guys do have legit promise, we've got some talent or more talent than most media outlets like to say. It's just they all won't pan out.
TheHugeUnit2
08-04-10, 02:58 PM
[Comment From Zak: ]
My Top 5 Yankees prospects 1. Montero 2. Romine 3. Banuelos 4. Betances 5. Brackman. Any comments? Thanks!
3:53 Frankie Piliere: I think that's fair. After I see Betances I can be more definitive but I think you gave Banuelos the proper amount of credit. Personally (and I know it's aggressive) but I'd have Sanchez in there already too.
--- Just a side note Piliere had Gary Sanchez 25th overall among all prospects about a month ago with Romine 15th and Montero 5th.
primetime714
08-04-10, 03:21 PM
Well to be honest those guys do have legit promise, we've got some talent or more talent than most media outlets like to say. It's just they all won't pan out.
I think we have a REALLY strong top 20 or so. I'd say most if not all of the guys in our top 20 right now would be in our top 10 in previous years.
As for that list I think its pretty good except Murphy is too high, Laird is too low, and Marshall probably shouldn't make the cut. I'd replace him with someone like Mesa or McAllister. Also I order others a bit diffierently but basically had all the right guys in there. Some of the descriptions were a bit optimistic particularly when he was talking about stuff/velocity.
Would you be willing to put anyone from the 2010 draft class in your top 20, signed or unsigned.
I am in the middle on Culver. Since I am a floor guy, I don't think so. Same goes for Mason Williams. I am not a Gumbs fan so, I wouldn't say so on him.
Kevin Jacob is a guy I would have put in it because I expect him to have a high ceiling and make the majors quickly, obviously he won't be signing.
Tyler Austin and Culver are just outside my top 25. I expect Williams to as well.
McMoose
08-04-10, 07:43 PM
I am in the middle on Culver. Since I am a floor guy, I don't think so. Same goes for Mason Williams. I am not a Gumbs fan so, I wouldn't say so on him.
Kevin Jacob is a guy I would have put in it because I expect him to have a high ceiling and make the majors quickly, obviously he won't be signing.
Tyler Austin and Culver are just outside my top 25. I expect Williams to as well.
I think I'm starting to buy back into Suttle. Anyone with me?
With his last two weeks, definitely. He has certainly risen for me. He improved his average close to 20 points.
With his last two weeks, definitely. He has certainly risen for me. He improved his average close to 20 points.
I just don't see a future for Suttle in NY. I have no idea where he will play. Certainly not in the infield, where 20 years from now, you could see a starting infield elected to the Hall Of Fame. Jeter is 1st Ballot, Rodriguez will be elected (Baggage and all), Teixeira is on the fast track (He is well on the way to his 7th 100 RBI Season (10 or more seasons of that, should be enough)), and Cano could make it if he keeps up the pace (Although it is early). Suttle will likely be traded.
Matsui55
08-04-10, 09:36 PM
Definitely optimistic. Hector Noesi does not have "top of the rotation" stuff. Everything I have read about him indicates that he has about average stuff and dominates minor league hitters with command
In other words, he's Ian Kennedy.
Melan-cynic
08-05-10, 01:19 AM
Never been a big fan of Suttle and that was before his proclivity toward injury began. He'll have to rake in order to make up for his lack of other tools and I just don't see it happening.
budstinks
08-05-10, 05:02 AM
Definitely optimistic. Hector Noesi does not have "top of the rotation" stuff. Everything I have read about him indicates that he has about average stuff and dominates minor league hitters with command
I thought I read Noesi touches 95-96. That may not be top of the rotation stuff (although most of the RH aces out there have exactly that kind of stuff Halladay/Josh Johnson/Grienke/Carpenter/etc), but its definitely not average stuff either.
Mixed with his command, I would say maybe #2-3 stuff. I've never seen him pitch, but I figure a young Mo type stuff (pre-all time great, cutter/Hall of Famer career).
Obviously, he won't have that type of career. Ian Kennedy, sitting 90-91 touching 92 has average stuff.
Noesi is a sleeper with the Yanks only because they have so many high profile arms. I'd like to see what Noesi can do in the Yanks bullpen in Sept.
Fabien Brandy
08-05-10, 06:29 AM
Never been a big fan of Suttle and that was before his proclivity toward injury began. He'll have to rake in order to make up for his lack of other tools and I just don't see it happening.
If he can stick at 3rd he's got a chance.
TheHugeUnit2
08-05-10, 06:32 AM
If he can stick at 3rd he's got a chance.
Yeah I just put him 30th overall on my prospect list. He was rated the best pure college bat in the 2007 draft, he just ran into some injuries. He may not be a star but he could end up being a nice trade chip as a regular 3B or even a bench player for another team.
McMoose
08-05-10, 06:52 AM
Yeah I just put him 30th overall on my prospect list. He was rated the best pure college bat in the 2007 draft, he just ran into some injuries. He may not be a star but he could end up being a nice trade chip as a regular 3B or even a bench player for another team.
Like a Bill Mueller type? I remember that's who Suttle was compared to around the time he was drafted.
TheHugeUnit2
08-05-10, 06:56 AM
Like a Bill Mueller type? I remember that's who Suttle was compared to around the time he was drafted.
Jeeze I hope he's that clutch. I think of Mueller and I think of a Scott Brosius type.
Never been a big fan of Suttle and that was before his proclivity toward injury began. He'll have to rake in order to make up for his lack of other tools and I just don't see it happening.
Isn't that exactly what you would have said of Laird 2 seasons ago?
Suttle is playing his 1st season after a serious injury. I am on the "wait and see" fence with him, but he is putting up a nice season. If he ends up with 10 HRs (a stretch) and 75 RBIs (a chance) as well as a .270+ bat, with decent peripherals, I would classify him as "on the radar".
Not top 20 though.
yankee82093
08-05-10, 09:26 AM
I thought I read Noesi touches 95-96. That may not be top of the rotation stuff (although most of the RH aces out there have exactly that kind of stuff Halladay/Josh Johnson/Grienke/Carpenter/etc), but its definitely not average stuff either.
Mixed with his command, I would say maybe #2-3 stuff. I've never seen him pitch, but I figure a young Mo type stuff (pre-all time great, cutter/Hall of Famer career).
Obviously, he won't have that type of career. Ian Kennedy, sitting 90-91 touching 92 has average stuff.
Noesi is a sleeper with the Yanks only because they have so many high profile arms. I'd like to see what Noesi can do in the Yanks bullpen in Sept.
Slow down there. Josh Johnson sits 94-95, and touches 98-99, and has a plus slider. Greinke sits about 93 and has a plus plus slider. Carpenter has a plus curveball and a plus slider (maybe plus plus for both). Halladay is Halladay. All of those guys have way better stuff than Noesi most likely ever will.
I've never read about Noesi touching 95-96. I've read he touches 94, and mainly is 90-91. That's actually better than Kennedy, who sat about 89. Noesi is pretty average in terms of stuff. Slightly better than average perhaps.
I would put his absolute ceiling at #3, and say he will very likely have an ok major league career as a back of the rotation starter.
McMoose
08-05-10, 10:13 AM
Not saying that he's Top 30 material but Marcos Vechionacci is quietly putting together a very strong season.
On the season: .303/.379/.444/.824
Last 10 games: .375/.462/.500/.962
A lot of strikeouts, though, with 78 in around 300 at-bats. He turns 24 on Saturday.
McMoose
08-05-10, 10:17 AM
Upon further review, he's doing it with a rather robust .410 BABIP.
Sixty one
08-05-10, 10:24 AM
Since I don't really follow the minors, I want to know who will be the Sept. callups? Also, is there really any potentially sleeping superstars in the Yankee farm system that most fans know nothing about?
Since I don't really follow the minors, I want to know who will be the Sept. callups? Also, is there really any potentially sleeping superstars in the Yankee farm system that most fans know nothing about?
Superstars potential hitters:
Gary Sanchez (His offense potential is not far behind Montero and scouts think that he actually can catch)
Slade Heathcott (Last year first round pick, 5-tools CF)
HM: Henry Pena, Ramon Flores, Cito Culver
Superstars potential pitchers:
Andrew Brackman (Unquestionable stuff, still raw but keeps improving)
Dellin Betances (No.1 starter stuff and finally puts it together)
HM: Manuel Banuelos, Jose A. Ramirez, Bryan Mitchell
Superstars potential hitters:
Gary Sanchez (His offense potential is not far behind Montero and scouts think that he actually can catch)
Slade Heathcott (Last year first round pick, 5-tools CF)
HM: Henry Pena, Ramon Flores, Cito Culver
Superstars potential pitchers:
Andrew Brackman (Unquestionable stuff, still raw but keeps improving)
Dellin Betances (No.1 starter stuff and finally puts it together)
HM: Manuel Banuelos, Jose A. Ramirez, Bryan Mitchell
While you did list the correct answers, he was asking for sleepers, who most do not know about, The names you mentioned are all well known, especially around here. Maybe Mitchell is a real sleeper, but we all know about the others.
While you did list the correct answers, he was asking for sleepers, who most do not know about, The names you mentioned are all well known, especially around here. Maybe Mitchell is a real sleeper, but we all know about the others.
For fans who follow the farm sure know those prospects. But most of the Yankees fans who only follow the major league team may not know them (And Sixty one said that he didn't really follow the minors). That's why I gave him those names.
TheHugeUnit2
08-05-10, 12:36 PM
Superstars potential hitters:
Gary Sanchez (His offense potential is not far behind Montero and scouts think that he actually can catch)
Slade Heathcott (Last year first round pick, 5-tools CF)
HM: Henry Pena, Ramon Flores, Cito Culver
Superstars potential pitchers:
Andrew Brackman (Unquestionable stuff, still raw but keeps improving)
Dellin Betances (No.1 starter stuff and finally puts it together)
HM: Manuel Banuelos, Jose A. Ramirez, Bryan Mitchell
That's a nice list but I would of went
Pitchers: Bryan Mitchell, Evan DeLuca, Chris Cabrera and sadly even Graham Stoneburner who even though he is older is destroying right now and isn't getting too much buzz.
Hitters: Calderon is looking like a nice find, not too much else in terms of hitters that aren't that well known. Perhaps Rey Nunez and Flores as you stated.
yoo-boo
08-05-10, 12:45 PM
Since I don't really follow the minors, I want to know who will be the Sept. callups? Also, is there really any potentially sleeping superstars in the Yankee farm system that most fans know nothing about?
anyone who is on 40 roster will be brought up in September. Montero and Phelps should be in big club as guests.
Sleeper should be 1B Luke Murton. Typical fans always whine about age/level grade. This year is his second full season so next year will be critical for him. If everything is right, he will be a legit power hitter with solid plate discipline by 26 years old (24 yrs old in Charleston now).
ramon flores isn't mentioned too much. keep an eye on him.
yankee82093
08-05-10, 01:23 PM
ramon flores isn't mentioned too much. keep an eye on him.
I concur. Tremendous plate discipline at such a young age.
While you did list the correct answers, he was asking for sleepers, who most do not know about, The names you mentioned are all well known, especially around here. Maybe Mitchell is a real sleeper, but we all know about the others.
I will give you a real sleeper: Brett Gerritse (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=571699) He is part of what could potentially be one of the best draft classes ever put together in the History of the Yankees. Stoneburner, Mitchell, DeLuca, Murphy, Warren, and of course, Heathcott (Talk about a Lucky 7).
yoo-boo
08-05-10, 04:12 PM
I will give you a real sleeper: Brett Gerritse (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=571699) He is part of what could potentially be one of the best draft classes ever put together in the History of the Yankees. Stoneburner, Mitchell, DeLuca, Murphy, Warren, and of course, Heathcott (Talk about a Lucky 7).
Gerritse? What is his current fastball if you know anything. I hope he already sits on 90-91.
yoo-boo
08-05-10, 04:15 PM
In other words, he's Ian Kennedy.
as long as he does not nimble the zone too much he will be better than Kennedy.
yoo-boo
08-05-10, 04:17 PM
ramon flores isn't mentioned too much. keep an eye on him.
He will be no longer sleeper next season. I can count on it.
Gerritse? What is his current fastball if you know anything. I hope he already sits on 90-91.
Keep in mind the question is concerning sleepers (Almost every serious Yankee Fan knows who Bryan Mitchell is, so it is not him). I came up with Gerritse.
Here is a Gerritse projection: The future:
He needs to smooth out his herky-jerky motion and get his arm out quicker when he pitches. When he first came to the Yankees, his delivery limited his velocity but it has since improved with the changing of his mechanics. Is fearless and will go after hitters. He’s a big guy with the potential to add more to his frame which might result in a stronger fastball.
If he could get more velocity on his fastball and smooth out his mechanics he could make the pros one day.
Here are the numbers: A bit of a late bloomer, he throws a curve ball that some scouts gave a 70 on the scouting scale. Is a big dude that stands at 6’4. Wowed scouts in high school with his fastball that sits at 90-91 mph. Has an over the top 11-to-5 curve at 80-81 mph that shows a kind of biting, cascading two-plane drop when thrown well. His most interesting pitch is his change up, an 82 forkball/splitter hybrid which drops dead at home plate.
Gerritse has a great attitude and is eager to learn
<CITE>www.yankeesdaily.com/?p=11468 (http://www.yankeesdaily.com/?p=11468)</CITE>
yoo-boo
08-05-10, 04:36 PM
Keep in mind the question is concerning sleepers (Almost every serious Yankee Fan knows who Bryan Mitchell is, so it is not him). I came up with Gerritse.
Here is a Gerritse projection: The future:
He needs to smooth out his herky-jerky motion and get his arm out quicker when he pitches. When he first came to the Yankees, his delivery limited his velocity but it has since improved with the changing of his mechanics. Is fearless and will go after hitters. He’s a big guy with the potential to add more to his frame which might result in a stronger fastball.
If he could get more velocity on his fastball and smooth out his mechanics he could make the pros one day.
Here are the numbers: A bit of a late bloomer, he throws a curve ball that some scouts gave a 70 on the scouting scale. Is a big dude that stands at 6’4. Wowed scouts in high school with his fastball that sits at 90-91 mph. Has an over the top 11-to-5 curve at 80-81 mph that shows a kind of biting, cascading two-plane drop when thrown well. His most interesting pitch is his change up, an 82 forkball/splitter hybrid which drops dead at home plate.
Gerritse has a great attitude and is eager to learn
<cite>www.yankeesdaily.com/?p=11468 (http://www.yankeesdaily.com/?p=11468)</cite>
I was under the impression that he barely topped out 86 mph FB out of HS. BA had him at 90. oh well. thanks.
I was under the impression that he barely topped out 86 mph FB out of HS. BA had him at 90. oh well. thanks.
As was I! This was surprising to hear. I heard touched 90 on the Yankees, but basically was 87-89
TheHugeUnit2
08-05-10, 04:50 PM
Anyone know what Checo throws? I remember there was some buzz around him.
As was I! This was surprising to hear. I heard touched 90 on the Yankees, but basically was 87-89
To be honest, I think he is far down the food chain with guys like Betances, Brackman, Mitchell, Stoneburner, Marshall & Banuelos in the organization. But he could develop into a nice trading chip
yankee82093
08-05-10, 04:58 PM
Anyone know what Checo throws? I remember there was some buzz around him.
I remember him being a low nineties guy with considerable projection left, but I'm not entirely sure.
yankee82093
08-05-10, 05:00 PM
As was I! This was surprising to hear. I heard touched 90 on the Yankees, but basically was 87-89
That's what I heard too. Sits high eighties, with a good curve and a good change. He really intrigued me when he was drafted. Stats are solid this year, but not great.
Melan-cynic
08-05-10, 05:30 PM
Isn't that exactly what you would have said of Laird 2 seasons ago?Not me, no, though I hear what you're saying. From his Sally days as a teenager I'd heard very good things about his bat and though not very athletic never had the "pillar of salt" label at 3B which Suttle had coming out of college.
jeter62375
08-05-10, 07:34 PM
Anyone know what Checo throws? I remember there was some buzz around him.
judging from his stats i'd say he throws a lot of meatballs
Dynasties R Forever
08-05-10, 09:40 PM
judging from his stats i'd say he throws a lot of meatballs
Can anyone confirm this?
mwalvlior
08-05-10, 09:42 PM
Can anyone confirm this?
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=571557
Hughes2.50
08-05-10, 09:52 PM
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=571557The Internet, its like instantaneous. :)
Hughes2.50
08-06-10, 12:22 AM
Nice update on <a href="http://calltothepen.com/2010/08/05/twip-85-chris-carter-j-p-arencibia-daniel-moskos-and-more/">Betances' prospects</a href>.
yoo-boo
08-06-10, 09:22 AM
Anyone know what Checo throws? I remember there was some buzz around him.
Once his delivery is clean and repeatable, we will be right back to him. Crossed fingers.
ArodMVP217
08-06-10, 10:27 AM
While you did list the correct answers, he was asking for sleepers, who most do not know about, The names you mentioned are all well known, especially around here. Maybe Mitchell is a real sleeper, but we all know about the others.
The only legit sleepers are of the Mikey O'brien, Dan Brewer, Kelvin Deleon (fell off teh map a bit), DJ Mitchell, B Suttle?, D Sublett
YESSIR!
08-06-10, 02:00 PM
Fangraphs has a little piece about park adjustments in the FSL, and had this to say about some young Yankees:
Corban Joseph was recently promoted to Double-A, and you can bet he's happy to be away from Tampa. Joseph's final FSL numbers (.302/.378/.436) look good without any context, but only improve on closer inspection. In just two more games on the road, Joseph hit seven more doubles, three more triples, and two home runs more than his home production. His ISO was .076 higher on the road, so I think it's safe to say there's more juice in the bat than his overall numbers might suggest.
They used the converse to devalue Brackman a bit, while saying the breakouts of Betances and Warren don't appear to be Tampa induced, and that the jury is still out on Stoneburner.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/adjusting-mental-minor-adjustments/
primetime714
08-07-10, 12:24 PM
The only legit sleepers are of the Mikey O'brien, Dan Brewer, Kelvin Deleon (fell off teh map a bit), DJ Mitchell, B Suttle?, D Sublett
I don't know how many of those guys I'd call sleepers. De Leon despite falling a little bit off the map still is fairly well known and talked about. Suttle is in the same boat. Plus you forget these guys have played themselves out of the limelight. Its not that they're secretly performing people only care less about these guys because they're not performing.
DJ Mitchell after looking awful earlier this year has been better of late. Still not great though, but solid. Still he's a guy that got a lot of attention going into this year with a strong 2009 campaign.
O'Brien, Sublett, and Brewer could be classified as sleepers. Although frankly I don't think Brewer will amount to much of anything. He doesn't have much in the way of tools and hasn't really been performing either. Sublett is always a guy I liked so I'd list him as a sleeper, but his ceiling is very limited (ML bench). O'Brien is doing well this year but I think he's getting a bit overhyped right now. I don't think he'll continue to pitch as well as he has in SI so far as he hasn't really been blowing guys away there. He's just been pitching smart and locating well. I certainly wouldn't put him as a sleeper either as he is one of the most recognized/talked about names in Staten Island.
I think guys like Zoilo Almonte, Addison Marsuzak, Shaeffer Hall, Tim Norton, Lance Pendleton, and Jon Ortiz are some of the more classic sleepers in the system. None of these guys are likely to take the world by storm, but all of them have the ability to make an impact at the ML level. Of that group I'm a big fan of Almonte and Norton. Love Marsuzak as a potential UTIL guy.
ArodMVP217
08-07-10, 12:55 PM
right, better "sleepers" than what the last commenter suggested^11, though.
I don't know how many of those guys I'd call sleepers. De Leon despite falling a little bit off the map still is fairly well known and talked about. Suttle is in the same boat. Plus you forget these guys have played themselves out of the limelight. Its not that they're secretly performing people only care less about these guys because they're not performing.
DJ Mitchell after looking awful earlier this year has been better of late. Still not great though, but solid. Still he's a guy that got a lot of attention going into this year with a strong 2009 campaign.
O'Brien, Sublett, and Brewer could be classified as sleepers. Although frankly I don't think Brewer will amount to much of anything. He doesn't have much in the way of tools and hasn't really been performing either. Sublett is always a guy I liked so I'd list him as a sleeper, but his ceiling is very limited (ML bench). O'Brien is doing well this year but I think he's getting a bit overhyped right now. I don't think he'll continue to pitch as well as he has in SI so far as he hasn't really been blowing guys away there. He's just been pitching smart and locating well. I certainly wouldn't put him as a sleeper either as he is one of the most recognized/talked about names in Staten Island.
I think guys like Zoilo Almonte, Addison Marsuzak, Shaeffer Hall, Tim Norton, Lance Pendleton, and Jon Ortiz are some of the more classic sleepers in the system. None of these guys are likely to take the world by storm, but all of them have the ability to make an impact at the ML level. Of that group I'm a big fan of Almonte and Norton. Love Marsuzak as a potential UTIL guy.
I really like your analysis here, but I have to disagree on Maruszak as a sleeper. He is basically being a UTL in the minors. Not too much there.
Norton and Pendleton are a little old so I wouldn't call them so much sleepers. I do expect both to reach the majors, but I don't know what to call them.
Zolio, Hall and Ortiz are guys I can somewhat agree on. We'll know what we have in AA.
I think Sixty one is talking about sleepers with superstar potential.
Yankees1962
08-07-10, 08:16 PM
The other day Manuel of BA had some nice things to say about the Yankees farm system. He noted they were rated 22 in their offseason system rankings. I think they're going to be a lot higher than 22 this upcoming offseason with so many Yankee prospects doing well this season particularly pitchers.
Might be. Takes a lot of time to break down all the orgs in detail, don't do that until offseason. @brothertona (http://twitter.com/brothertona): is NYY system now top 10? about 8 hours ago (http://twitter.com/jimcallisBA/status/20565513985) via HootSuite (http://www.hootsuite.com/)
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Hughes2.50
08-07-10, 08:57 PM
The other day Manuel of BA had some nice things to say about the Yankees farm system. He noted they were rated 22 in their offseason system rankings. I think they're going to be a lot higher than 22 this upcoming offseason with so many Yankee prospects doing well this season particularly pitchers.Also Callis admitted that he hadn't thought deeply, yet, about where players will fit in the top 100.<p>Some might want to keep that in mind as Baseball America's staff first has to hear from the scouts of the teams, and then evaluate where players fit.
Melan-cynic
08-07-10, 10:41 PM
Don't worry. Betances still isn't going to be in the top 10 now matter how hard you rub a rabbit's foot.
Hughes2.50
08-08-10, 11:31 AM
Betances will finish the year with about 85-90 innings of work - next year at Trenton he will get 150 innings in (similar to what Hughes did in 2005 and 2006).
Melan-cynic
08-08-10, 11:43 AM
Relevance.....
Hughes2.50
08-08-10, 11:46 AM
Always.
TheHugeUnit2
08-09-10, 10:37 PM
I had an interesting convo with Manuel today about the top 5. He said yeah Montero-Romine, 1-2. Then dropped a little nugget by saying Banuelos wouldn't be in his top 5 as of now. Sanchez and Heathcott both would be and then Betances.
mwalvlior
08-09-10, 10:44 PM
I had an interesting convo with Manuel today about the top 5. He said yeah Montero-Romine, 1-2. Then dropped a little nugget by saying Banuelos wouldn't be in his top 5 as of now. Sanchez and Heathcott both would be and then Betances.
that is interesting. any indication as to why manny wouldnt be top 5 since i would slot him 3 w sanchez, dellin, slade rounding out the top 6.
TheHugeUnit2
08-09-10, 10:51 PM
that is interesting. any indication as to why manny wouldnt be top 5 since i would slot him 3 w sanchez, dellin, slade rounding out the top 6.
As for Slade, he talked about the tools, he was impressed with him. For Manny ripped him for his size and then went on to say he's doing it in A ball, so what and said Manny's ceiling isn't up with Brack or Dellin. Sounded to be like his top guys would be Montero, Romine, Heathcott, Sanchez, Betancez, Brackman and Banuelos.
mwalvlior
08-09-10, 11:01 PM
As for Slade, he talked about the tools, he was impressed with him. For Manny ripped him for his size and then went on to say he's doing it in A ball, so what and said Manny's ceiling isn't up with Brack or Dellin. Sounded to be like his top guys would be Montero, Romine, Heathcott, Sanchez, Betancez, Brackman and Banuelos.
that is kinda funny to me for ripping him doing it in A ball when he is 19 and dellin is doing it in the same league at 22. the height is the common knock and he probably doesnt have the same ceiling but i trust his "floor" a lot more. to rank him 7 seems crazy to me. also interesting that our system which has been knocked for a long time about not having hitters would have the top 4 all as position guys, though unfortunately in some respects having 3 at at the same spot.
Hughes2.50
08-09-10, 11:30 PM
I had an interesting convo with Manuel today about the top 5. He said yeah Montero-Romine, 1-2. Then dropped a little nugget by saying Banuelos wouldn't be in his top 5 as of now. Sanchez and Heathcott both would be and then Betances.Manuel is slowly coming around. Take a look at thread starter. In it I have six of his top six in my top seven - Brackman is the only one I'd drop from the top six as he hasn't been as impressive as he was leading up to my top ten list back in June.
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