Lets Go Rangers! 2010-2011 season thread [Archive]

RhodyYanksFan

05-26-10, 10:53 AM

Disappointing season is over, time to look ahead - probably to more disappointment, but I digress.

First bit of offseason news pertaining to the upcoming season:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=322640

The New York Rangers acquired defenceman Jyri Niemi from the New York Islanders on Tuesday for a sixth-round pick in this year's draft.

The trade was the first between the rivals since forward Ron Stewart was dealt to the Islanders for cash on Nov. 14, 1972, during the Islanders' first season.

The 19-year-old Niemi played in 50 games with Saskatoon of the Western Hockey League last season. He had eight goals and 21 assists with a plus-9 rating.

CanoForPresident

05-26-10, 12:05 PM

Rangers officially sign SEL MVP Mats Zuccarello-Aasen

http://rangers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=530215

Hes subject to an ELC so there is no way Slats could have possibly ................ed this up. Low risk high reward signing.

RhodyYanksFan

05-27-10, 10:53 AM

Rangers website is running "20 prospects in 20 days".

http://rangers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=530227

Beginning on Thursday, and running for the next four weeks leading up to the June 25-26 NHL Entry Draft at Los Angeles, newyorkrangers.com will run a comprehensive look at the highly regarded Rangers developmental pipeline with an exclusive series titled "20 Prospects in 20 Days".

Each weekday, Blueshirts fans will get an exclusive inside look at one of 20 Rangers prospects, learning extensive details about the player's career to date, getting the inside scoop, and hearing what many of the prospects themselves have to say about being part of the organization and their hopes for the future.

The series will run in alphabetical order and will include 10 forwards, seven defensemen, and three <s>goaltenders</s> trade bait who all hope to one day be Rangers regulars at Madison Square Garden. Get ready for this exciting glimpse into the team's future, only on newyorkrangers.com.

RhodyYanksFan

05-27-10, 11:03 AM

http://rangers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=530282

Undrafted Baldwin making his mark
Defenseman's performance in BCHL, college earned him an NHL contract

Ernie Gare, a Rangers amateur scout who focuses on Western regions of Canada and the U.S., began watching Baldwin when he entered the BCHL. After seeing how well Baldwin performed with his hometown Grizzlies, Gare was convinced that the Rangers should keep an eye on him.

Both Gare and Gordie Clark, the Rangers' Director, Player Personnel, paid close attention to the defenseman's season at Anchorage in 2009-10, and they felt he could be a factor at the next level based on the way he had progressed in college hockey.

When Baldwin elected to turn pro after his freshman season, the Rangers were happy to be his team of choice.

"You never know how long anyone is going to stay in college, but he made the decision that he didn't want to go to school anymore and he wanted to be a pro," said Clark. "That's a decision that only the player himself can make, but once he made that decision, we had to decide if we wanted to make an offer, which we did."

On March 22, Baldwin agreed to terms on a contract with the Rangers. The following day, he signed a tryout deal to finish the season with the Hartford Wolf Pack.

"(Hartford) was great," said Baldwin, "Just like in Alaska, the Hartford coaches (Head coach Ken Gernander and assistants J.J. Daigneault and Pat Boller) gave me a lot of opportunity. The speed and everything else in the game was a lot better. It was tough the first two games, but I think I got my feet wet a little bit and felt pretty good out there for the games that I played."

CanoForPresident

05-27-10, 11:22 AM

16 years ago today

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Snatch Catch

05-27-10, 11:28 AM

Goosebumps. Every time.

RhodyYanksFan

05-27-10, 11:30 AM

16 years ago today

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:gulp: :gulp: :gulp:

Gotta give props to the immortal Brian Leetch who started the scoring that night with one of the most awesome goals for a defenseman.

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ZYanksRule

05-27-10, 10:02 PM

16 years ago today

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That's really one of the best calls I've ever heard for any big play in any sport.

The only thing that I think comes close is Mattingly's HR in the ALDS in 95, Gary Thorne just nailed it. But Howie did an unreal job on that call.

CanoForPresident

05-28-10, 03:48 PM

Ryan McDonagh will decide on whether or not to sign with the Rangers after attending the prospects camp after the draft next month

http://host.madison.com/sports/college/hockey/article_b79c304e-69c9-11df-98eb-001cc4c002e0.html

This team does a lot of things wrong but if there is one thing they can do, it is sell a player on playing in NY for the Rangers.

That's really one of the best calls I've ever heard for any big play in any sport.

The only thing that I think comes close is Mattingly's HR in the ALDS in 95, Gary Thorne just nailed it. But Howie did an unreal job on that call.

For real. The fact that he was able to stay as composed as he did (He grew up a huge Ranger fan and idolized Brad Park) is probably the most impressive part of the whole thing for me. That and as you said, he nailed the call.

dabomb2045

05-28-10, 04:33 PM

That's really one of the best calls I've ever heard for any big play in any sport.

The only thing that I think comes close is Mattingly's HR in the ALDS in 95, Gary Thorne just nailed it. But Howie did an unreal job on that call.

Off topic....but that Mattingly HR call was awesome. To this day, it remains one of my favorite Yankee moments. I was 14, it was really the first "special" Yankee moment I experienced as fan...and Donnie was my guy growing up and why I became a Yanks fan.

Even after the championships we won after that, the Boone game, the perfect games...I still think the loudest and most crazy I've ever heard/seen a YS crowd was right after that Mattingly HR. It was like 55,000 people all at once letting out 13 years of frustration on behalf of Donnie.

CanoForPresident

05-28-10, 06:42 PM

The Salary cap is going up 2 mill next year.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=322928

More space for Slats to do something stupid :P

RhodyYanksFan

06-01-10, 01:01 PM

20 Prospects 20 days

Ryan Bourque (http://rangers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=530374)

Dane Byers (http://rangers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=530615)

RhodyYanksFan

06-02-10, 08:50 PM

20 Prospects in 20 Days - Day 4:

Brodie Dupont (http://rangers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=530740)

Dupont said the three years in the AHL have really made a difference in his game.

"It's developed better habits of being consistent," he noted. "Mentally, it was a little hard my first year, fighting a battle with my own inconsistency. I just couldn't seem to string a group of good games together. This year, I think I did a better job. If I was having a bad game, I still found ways to contribute.”

A 37-goal scorer in his final season of junior hockey with the Calgary Hitmen in 2006-07, Dupont has been a solid two-way player ever since joining Hartford. He has also been one of the team's most versatile forwards with 44 goals, 103 points, 311 penalty minutes and a plus-9 rating in his AHL career.

CanoForPresident

06-04-10, 12:06 PM

Draft day is in 3 weeks, so I figured I'd get this up now

CFP’s New York Rangers draft guide

Recent #10 overall picks:
2009: Magnus Paajarvi Svensson (EDM)
2008: Cody Hodgson (VAN)
2007: Keaton Ellerby (FLA)
2006: Michael Frolik (FLA)
2005: Luc Bourdon (VAN)
2004: Boris Valabik (ATL)
2003: Andrei Kostitsyn (MTL)
2002: Eric Nystrom (CGY)
2001: Dan Blackburn (NYR)
2000: Mikhail Yakubov (CHI)

Analysis of picks at #10: Pretty much a mixed bag. Michael Frolik is easily the most accomplished of the last 10 picks at the spot, and hes just starting to realize how good he is. MPS looks well on his way to becoming an impact player at the NHL level, but that remains to be seen. Cody Hodgson looked like a budding future superstar before suffering a pretty serious back injury which may hinder him from becoming that player, or even possibly shortening his career. Andrei Kostitsyn has shown at times that he can be a serviceable top six forward and Eric Nystrom has turned into a very good bottom six plugger. Keaton Ellerby has seen 22 games of NHL action and should get a reasonable shot to be an NHL regular next season. Dan Blackburn and Luc Bourdon both played significant NHL minutes before their careers were cut short (injury for Blackburn, Bourdon tragically lost his life in a motorcycle accident in 2008.) Balabik and Yakubov are both NHL busts.

Assuming that Blackburn and Bourdon don’t fall at the hand of misfortune, 8 of the last 10 picks at this spot are either solid NHL regulars, or have a good chance to be one. Those aren’t bad odds.

Players who I think will definitely be gone by #10 - Taylor Hall, Tyler Seguin, Cam Fowler, Erik Gudbransson, Nino Neiderrieter, Brandon Gormley, Brett Connolly.

Hall and Seguin are locks to go 1 and 2 and the rest of this group should fill out the 3-7 spots. Its possible that one of these teams goes off the board to take someone like Derek Forbort or Ryan Johansen, causing one of these guys to drop, but that’s unlikely. Maybe a team like Tampa takes a goalie like Jack Campbell but they would be more likely to trade out of the 6th spot to take him. If the Lightning are set on taking Campbell, this is the one possible slot the Rangers can trade up to so they can assure them self of landing someone who they really want.

Possible options at #10:

Ryan Johansen: Big, strong center out of the WHL who really burst onto the scene this year. Was a 3rd line player in the BCHL last year and was slated to go the NCAA route (I think to North Dakota) before deciding to play with the Portland Winter hawks instead. He played on a line with fellow 2010 draftee Nino Neiderrieter this year. He doesn’t have the pure strength or goal scoring ability of “El Nino”, but he has the type of frame that he can grow into and displays superior smarts to his line mate. Despite his size, Johansen doesn’t have a nasty streak that you’d like to see from someone as big as he is, but he doesn’t shy away from contact either. He has good speed and great vision and projects as a top line center. He is more of a projection pick at this point, but his potential will probably get him picked before the 10 spot but if he is there at #10, I think there is a very good chance the Rangers make him their selection. Johansen drawn comparisons to current NHL players such as Ryan Getzlaf and Jason Spezza.

Derek Forbort: This is going to be a very nice year for the USNDTP defensemen. Derek Forbort will be the first of the batch taken in this years draft (if you don’t count Fowler, who played with the u17 team before going to Windsor this year.) He is big, mobile and displays all the qualities you want to see from a top pairing two way defenseman. His consistency has been an issue, but that is the case with a lot of 17 year old defensemen. Hes another guy who is a projection pick and while I think hes a bit more risky than Johansen (theres always a chance that the offense doesn’t come around), Forbort should be at the least a very good top four defensemen who can eat minutes and take care of his own end. Again, for a guy as big as he is, he doesn’t have the bite to his game that you want, but perhaps that will come along (though I subscribe to the theory that if it isn’t there to begin with, it probably will never be there.) He will be attending the University of North Dakota next year, which is one of the best NCAA programs for NHL prospect development.

Vladimir Tarasenko - Speed hands and shot are off the charts as well as his head for the game. Isn’t very tall but is thick ala Martin St. Louis. If he was a North American prospect, he would be a lock for a top 5 spot right now, despite only standing in at 5’10”. Not strong in his own end but that’s something he can improve on over time. Tarasenko is signed for one more year in Russia and is coached by his father, so that will probably drop him out of the top 9 spots but if the Rangers feel that they can get him overseas (and lets face it, Manhattan is a much more attractive place to play than Tampa, Atlanta or Minnesota) he may be too good to pass up. He is the way too early pick for the player teams will regret passing on 5 years from now.

Alexander Burmistrov - The second Russian in this group. Burmistrov might be the best two way player in the draft. While he doesn’t have Tarasenko’s raw skill, Alex Burmistrov is a very slick and has first line center upside. He played the last year with Barrie in the OHL, which probably eases the cause of concern for him a little bit more because he has already shown a willingness to leave home at a young age but he may be headed back to Russia next year due to some contractual circumstance. The one draw back with Burmistrov is that despite not being short, he is rail thin. That never stopped Patrick Kane from becoming an impact player at the NHL level, but players who have succeeded at his weight are few and far between and even if he fills out his frame by adding 20 pounds, he will still be well below the NHL average weight. Still, when you hear Burmistrov draw comparisons to Pavel Datsyuk, its hard not to be tempted to take the risk.

Mikael Granlund - He along with Tarasenko spent the season playing in a professional league and Granlund produced, putting up 40 points in 43 games during the regular season. Granlund had a decent showing at the World Junior tournament for a 17 year old and dominated at the U18’s this season. While he is only 5’10, he should play at around a solid 200 pounds when he fills out. The knock on Granlund is his skating and while he isn’t a bad skater, he isn’t quick. He displays good balance and room for improvement in this area though and even if he doesn’t turn this into a strength, his playmaking ability along with his hockey IQ should serve him well in the NHL. Has a very underrated shot and could turn into a 20 goal, 50 assist player. Finland has developed the reputation of developing more pluggers than scorers over the last decade, but there is no denying Granlund’s skills. . Granlund is regarded by some as the best prospect to come out of Finland since Teemu Selanne.

Jeff Skinner - He followed up a 50 goal season in the OHL by scoring 20 in 20 games in the playoffs. Jeff Skinner may be the best pure goal scorer in the draft. Undersized and lack of mobility will ultimately hurt his draft stock but taking him at the 10th spot, while a little bit of a reach, wouldn’t be terrible. Has a filthy shot that can clip the wings on a fly from the top of the circles. You have to worry about his ability to get his shot off at the next level but again, it may be a risk worth taking. Skinner is the splitting image of Mike Cammalleri and while he doesn’t project as a go to scorer, he can be a very high level secondary scorer in the league if all breaks well for him.

Jack Campbell - Ok I had to throw one in here that didn’t make total sense because while our drafts have been much better recently, we are talking about the Rangers here. That’s not to say that Campbell isn’t worthy of a top 10 pick, his performances in big international tournaments this year have been exceptional. He back stopped the USA U18 team to a gold medal while earning all tournament honors and was the winning goaltender for team USA at the World Junior Championships. His style is a little unorthodox at times but he is very athletic and technically sound, hes a hybrid of a Dominik Hasek and Ryan Miller. I think there is like a 1% chance the Rangers pick him at 10, but I do wish they had a 2nd pick in the first round to take this guy. Who ever drafts Campbell will be getting perhaps the best American born goalie since Mike Richter, and he has the potential to be even better. Hopefully he goes out west. Campbell will attempt to backstop the Windsor Spitfires to their third straight OHL championship and another Memorial Cup next year.

Who will be the pick at #10? - Obviously, I don’t know for sure and the Rangers will have a multitude of options. They won’t get Connolly, El Nino or probably Johansen unless they trade up and I see only Tampa (perhaps Atlanta, thought I doubt it) as a team that may be willing to trade down. I don’t think they’re focusing on defense this year so that probably takes Forbort out of the mix and I think Skinner may be an option if they were to trade down a few spots.

So that leaves a trio of Europeans left on the board and in my opinion, they swing for the fences and take Vladimir Tarasenko. The Rangers have excellent connections in Russia and have had a ton of success getting these kids over to North America (Tyutin, Anisimov, Grachev, Cherepanov would have come over too if he didn’t pass) and for a team that is starving for game breaking talent on the cheap, I see no better option than Vladimir Tarasenko - A potential 80-90 Right Winger. As a Right Winger, he would also fill some much needed depth at the position, because its shallow at the NHL level and even worse below it.

Tarasenko's draft card: http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectdetail.htm?dpid=2493

RhodyYanksFan

06-07-10, 10:25 AM

Sather interview with Brooks. He at least says he won't do stupid things like overpay for free agents.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/rangers/gm_has_blueprint_for_blueshirt_future_t2wtzeXUuigapKv0AMaHuL

“We have to get better,” Sather acknowledged. “And the way we’re going to get better is by staying within our organization and giving our prospects the time to grow and the opportunity to play in New York.

“This has been a long process, and it’s ongoing, but as we go into this summer, our plan is to keep our own players. I can tell you one thing — we are certainly not going to overpay for free agents. If we can improve with a signing that makes sense, we’ll look into it, but we want to give our guys the first shot.”

Sather said that he would like to sign Wisconsin senior defenseman Ryan McDonagh and junior center Derek Stepan. The GM told The Post both players would attend the Blueshirts’ prospects camp the first week of July.

“We’d like to get them in and have them earn jobs,” Sather said of the two young Americans. “We’re excited to see whether [Evgeny] Grachev and [Dale] Weise and some of our other kids can earn jobs.

Regarding Redden:

“A player’s contract isn’t going to get him a spot on the team if he doesn’t earn it, and that goes for everyone.

CanoForPresident

06-07-10, 12:20 PM

Slats is saying all the right things.

What he does come July 1st will probably be a completely different story.

RhodyYanksFan

06-07-10, 12:42 PM

Slats is saying all the right things.

What he does come July 1st will probably be a completely different story.

Flashforward to a Hossa-type deal with Kovalchuk?

CanoForPresident

06-07-10, 01:42 PM

Flashforward to a Hossa-type deal with Kovalchuk?

I think Kovalchuk is LA bound but its almost as if the most logical destination for these guys is never where they end up going.

I'd be fine with the deal as long as the cap his is semi low, but I'd rather pass on Kovalchuk. I realize that he has all world skills and he'd finally give us someone who can play minutes and shoot it from the point on the PP (we haven't had that guy since Zubov, and hes been gone for almost 15 years!) but I'd rather risk waiting on Brad Richards to hit UFA. Richards is a much, much better fit for this team both as a guy who can run one of the PP units (put DZ on the other one), provide leadership and can carry two young wingers on a line to help/accelerate their development. Thats not to say that Kovalchuk can't make players around him better, but it really comes down to this: Would your rather have a 40-50 goal scorer or an 80-90 point center man who has won the Conn Smythe?

I think the most interesting part of that whole article is that they're pushing Stepan to go pro.

RhodyYanksFan

06-07-10, 03:37 PM

Slats is saying all the right things.

What he does come July 1st will probably be a completely different story.

Had to share this thread. Responses to this NY Post story made me LOL - especially this one.

http://rangerland.net/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=10065&view=findpost&p=351620

CanoForPresident

06-07-10, 04:21 PM

Had to share this thread. Responses to this NY Post story made me LOL - especially this one.

http://rangerland.net/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=10065&view=findpost&p=351620

That post and the first response to it pretty much sum up life in Rangerland :lol:

RhodyYanksFan

06-08-10, 07:05 AM

http://rangers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=531153&navid=DL|NYR|home

Zuccarello Aasen responds to fans

On the day Zuccarello Aasen agreed to terms with the Rangers, we invited fans to submit questions for him here on newyorkrangers.com, and he was gracious enough to respond to a few that we passed along to him. Here are those questions and his answers:

Kevin D. from Long Island asks:

What do you think will be the biggest adjustment you have to make playing in the NHL?

Zuccarello Aasen's response:

It's a higher level and it's a smaller rink and a different style of play, so I will have to learn how to play the Rangers game. I'll have to learn how they want to play hockey and I have to learn that as fast as possible. I guess it's maybe just the speed and the smaller rink that will be the biggest things. There's a lot of physical play, too, of course, but it's physical everywhere now, so I'm not going to worry about my ability to handle that part of the game. I'm going there more to make plays and play hockey, not to be the one making big hits.

RhodyYanksFan

06-08-10, 07:16 AM

They're still doing their 20 prospects in 20 days:

Evgeny Grachev (http://rangers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=530832)

Carl Hagelin (http://rangers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=530952)

Roman Horak (http://rangers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=531101)

RhodyYanksFan

06-09-10, 07:51 AM

Chad Johnson (http://rangers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=531233) is today's 20 in 20.

As a first-year pro this past season, Johnson's wait for his first NHL start could be measured in months -- just over two, to be exact.

Coming out of his first NHL training camp, where he was impressive in two preseason games, Johnson was assigned to the AHL's Hartford Wolf Pack. By Dec. 3, he was back up with the Blueshirts and would spend much of the next three months serving as Henrik Lundqvist's primary backup with the Rangers.

It was a great 2009-10 run for a 6-foot-3, 200-pound goalie just one season removed from his four-year collegiate career at the University of Alaska at Fairbanks, where he was the CCHA Player of the Year and a Hobey Baker finalist with the Nanooks as a senior. Originally picked by Pittsburgh, No. 125 overall, in the fifth round of the 2006 NHL Entry Draft, Johnson was traded to the Rangers for a fifth-round draft pick during the 2009 draft at Montreal. Rangers scouts, who had seen Johnson perform in college, were very happy to make the deal.

SLURPEE

06-09-10, 11:51 AM

E.J Hradek reports Derek Stepan will sign a contract with the Rangers.

CanoForPresident

06-09-10, 12:28 PM

E.J Hradek reports Derek Stepan will sign a contract with the Rangers.

TOLD YOU MOTHER ................ERS!

Have to think McDonagh isn't far behind now.

RhodyYanksFan

06-09-10, 12:30 PM

E.J Hradek reports Derek Stepan will sign a contract with the Rangers.

:rockin:

CanoForPresident

06-09-10, 01:25 PM

:rockin:

Down the middle in 2 years...

Richards
Stepan
Anisimov
Who gives a f*ck

:clapping:

RhodyYanksFan

06-09-10, 01:37 PM

Down the middle in 2 years...

Richards
Stepan
Anisimov
Who gives a f*ck

:clapping:

No Grachev?

CanoForPresident

06-09-10, 01:39 PM

No Grachev?

Not a center.

Hes played LW for the last 2 seasons. I think he'd be a better fit on the right side (off wing) so he can get a better angle to the net and give us some much needed depth at that position.

dabomb2045

06-09-10, 01:48 PM

Down the middle in 2 years...

Richards
Stepan
Anisimov
Who gives a f*ck

:clapping:

First time I've smiled about anything Rangers related in awhile

b_joseph

06-09-10, 01:50 PM

Nice to hear..Gonna be interesting to se how he does in the AHL.

How long is Gabby with us btw? Will he be around for Stepan and the hopeful next wave?

RhodyYanksFan

06-09-10, 01:55 PM

Not a center.

Hes played LW for the last 2 seasons. I think he'd be a better fit on the right side (off wing) so he can get a better angle to the net and give us some much needed depth at that position.

Oh I thought he was staying at C.

How about a line of Grachev - Richards - Gaborik :)

Gabby is signed through 2013-2014.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=NYR

CanoForPresident

06-09-10, 02:22 PM

Oh I thought he was staying at C.

How about a line of Grachev - Richards - Gaborik :)

Gabby is signed through 2013-2014.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=NYR

I don't like the idea of playing Richards with Gaborik, kinda seems like we'd be shooting our wad on one line right?

We gotta get Richards here before any of this can really be discussed though.

RhodyYanksFan

06-09-10, 02:51 PM

I don't like the idea of playing Richards with Gaborik, kinda seems like we'd be shooting our wad on one line right?

We gotta <s>get Richards here </s> chore through next season before any of this can really be discussed though.

Fixed.

CanoForPresident

06-09-10, 03:29 PM

Rangers have signed Derek Stepan

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/slapshot/rangers_sign_college_defenseman_Dx9Gj4xv2nVZQoEuc88fkK

SLURPEE

06-09-10, 03:40 PM

I rather him start in the AHL rather than the WHL.

CanoForPresident

06-09-10, 03:47 PM

Yeah I have no idea why Brooksie keeps beating that drum.

If he doesn't make the NHL squad, he'll be in the A. Having him go to the dub makes no sense what so ever.

SLURPEE

06-10-10, 07:18 AM

Any chance that a year from now we're talking about Kreider signing? :D

RhodyYanksFan

06-10-10, 07:54 AM

Anyone think it's worth trying to trade down in the draft if it means getting rid of Redden? If Slats can do Redden & our 10th for the Sharks 28th pick (they lost an old D man already this year), would you do it?

CanoForPresident

06-10-10, 10:55 AM

Anyone think it's worth trying to trade down in the draft if it means getting rid of Redden? If Slats can do Redden & our 10th for the Sharks 28th pick (they lost an old D man already this year), would you do it?

No. Why do that when you can waive him for free?

RhodyYanksFan

06-10-10, 11:07 AM

No. Why do that when you can waive him for free?

I don't know the ins and outs of the cap. If they waive him after camp, and he clears waivers he's done? Is there an automatic buyout at that point or do they still pay him but it's not a cap hit anymore?

CanoForPresident

06-10-10, 11:25 AM

I don't know the ins and outs of the cap. If they waive him after camp, and he clears waivers he's done? Is there an automatic buyout at that point or do they still pay him but it's not a cap hit anymore?

No, but he can decline the demotion and void his contract.

Or he can play the rest of his days in Hartford, collect his money and not count against the cap.

I'm not about giving up valuable assets just to get rid of a bad contract. We're not in a position to do that.

Any chance that a year from now we're talking about Kreider signing?

I think so. When he does sign I think he'll skip the AHL all together, hes physically ready to play in the NHL right now.

CanoForPresident

06-17-10, 05:06 PM

Pavel Valentenko, the other prospect we got in the Gomez deal, is set to return to North America next year

http://twitter.com/dchesnokov/status/16418889925

He went totally under the radar. He played some in the AHL before headed back to Russia because he felt like he would never get a fair shot with the Habs.

Hed be the prefect fit for the bottom pair. He as a ton of sandpaper in his game and has a bomb of a shot that has been clocked repeatedly over 100 MPH. He won't put up many points despite that, but the dude can hammer it.

If/When we get McDonagh signed, it'll give us a ton of depth and potential at the position in the pro ranks, and perhaps even more on the way depending on what we do in the draft.

dabomb2045

06-18-10, 07:13 AM

Do you think Stepan and McDonagh (if signed) have a chance to make the team? How about Grachev or Sangs?

CanoForPresident

06-18-10, 09:01 AM

Steps will have to have one hell of a camp to make the team, Ditto Grach. I think with Steps its really a matter of how much he matures this off season physically.

I think that McDonagh, Valentenko, Sanguinetti, Sauer, Gilroy, Redden, etc. will all be battling for the bottom two spots in camp.

Valentenko has some pro experience so he might get the nod over most, if not all of those guys but it'll be interesting to see if the Rangers go with two rookies on D again. Granted, lets say hypothetically that McDonagh and Valentenko make the team next year, it'd be different than Gilroy and Del Zotto making the team this past season since McD and PV are both defense first guys, but we'd still have to live with the mistakes that they'll make.

RhodyYanksFan

06-22-10, 01:35 PM

Any way we can figure a deal to pick off Dustin Byfuglien from Chicago and their cap woes or is he an untouchable for them?

CanoForPresident

06-22-10, 01:51 PM

Any way we can figure a deal to pick off Dustin Byfuglien from Chicago and their cap woes or is he an untouchable for them?

I think he, Versteeg and Ladd are all available.

Byufglien is the one I'd want the least of those 3.

RhodyYanksFan

06-22-10, 03:37 PM

I think he, Versteeg and Ladd are all available.

Byufglien is the one I'd want the least of those 3.

Because of the money? I have a man-crush on him.

CanoForPresident

06-22-10, 03:53 PM

Because of the money? I have a man-crush on him.

Yeah and I think a lot of what he does is because of the talent around him.

Hes a great fit and complementary player on the Hawks, much like Holmstrom has been with Detroit but he wouldn't get it done with us.

Versteeg would be sort of redundant as well but hes got some untapped ability. Ladd would fill a huge need for this team.

RhodyYanksFan

06-22-10, 07:38 PM

http://www.nhl.com/ice/schedulebyseason.htm?team=nyr

Rangers 2010-2011 schedule. I try to get to one game a year, usually on a Saturday night because that's the only feasible time for me to get there. Guess what - one home Saturday game all year and it's the season finale.

YanksFan1992

06-22-10, 10:19 PM

http://www.nhl.com/ice/schedulebyseason.htm?team=nyr

Rangers 2010-2011 schedule.

Hmm, I may try to make it to the opener in Buffalo.

RhodyYanksFan

06-23-10, 08:19 AM

I dropped the ball on the 20 prospects in 20 days thing. Here's the main page with all the stories.

http://rangers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=530227

JfromJersey

06-23-10, 12:10 PM

I dropped the ball on the 20 prospects in 20 days thing. Here's the main page with all the stories.

http://rangers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=530227

Thanks.

CanoForPresident

06-23-10, 02:58 PM

Hmm, I may try to make it to the opener in Buffalo.

Dude if you can make it you should go!

How far is Colgate from Buffalo?

dabomb2045

06-23-10, 03:44 PM

CFP, whats your opinion on Burmistrov?

CanoForPresident

06-23-10, 04:05 PM

CFP, whats your opinion on Burmistrov?

Skilled, defensively responsible (almost to a fault) and extremely personable off the ice. More of a Datsyuk or Larianov than an Ovechkin or Kovalchuk. Dats and Larionov have how many cups between them?

Hes built like a 12 year old girl though and while he has a ton of room to fill out, he'll probably never play above 180. Thats not a huge problem because hes quick and highly intelligent on the ice (and strength is more important than weight, ask Brian Boyle) but you have to hope that his naturally small frame can sustain NHL level contact for at least a decade - that is probably the lone drawback to Burmistrov.

YanksFan1992

06-23-10, 08:15 PM

Dude if you can make it you should go!

How far is Colgate from Buffalo?

Around three hours, but a train probably would take much less. Hopefully I'll have the time to try to go.

YanksFan1992

06-23-10, 08:30 PM

So admittedly, I haven't been following much of the leadup to the draft, so if someone could give me a quick recap on who the Rangers probably will get, and who you would like them to get, that would be great (looking at you Ben :lol:).

CanoForPresident

06-23-10, 09:07 PM

So admittedly, I haven't been following much of the leadup to the draft, so if someone could give me a quick recap on who the Rangers probably will get, and who you would like them to get, that would be great (looking at you Ben :lol:).

http://forums.nyyfans.com/showpost.php?p=6820548&postcount=14

Covered this earlier in the thread but it seems like everyone skipped over it :lol:

As for who I'd like for them to get, I'd love it if Taylor Hall fell to them at #10, haha.

But seriously, Any one of Tarasenko/Burmistrov/Johansen/Nino would be great and even Skinner/Forbort wouldn't be terrible.

YanksFan1992

06-24-10, 12:14 AM

http://forums.nyyfans.com/showpost.php?p=6820548&postcount=14

Covered this earlier in the thread but it seems like everyone skipped over it :lol:

As for who I'd like for them to get, I'd love it if Taylor Hall fell to them at #10, haha.

But seriously, Any one of Tarasenko/Burmistrov/Johansen/Nino would be great and even Skinner/Forbort wouldn't be terrible.

Great, thanks man. I'm sure I'll be referring to that often on Friday. :lol:

RhodyYanksFan

06-24-10, 09:03 AM

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As for who I'd like for them to get, I'd love it if Taylor Hall fell to them at #10, haha.

That would happen if the Isles and Canadiens picked 1-9.

b_joseph

06-25-10, 07:39 PM

At least we're still in it!!!

I officially blame CFP.

dabomb2045

06-25-10, 07:41 PM

Why do I root for this god forsaken franchise?? Why???????

YanksFan1992

06-25-10, 07:42 PM

I'm afraid that this is Jessiman part deux. Not only are Fowler and Gormley great, but they also would have allowed us to trade an extra defender (such as Gilroy) for another pick. It's going to become much worse if Fowler or Gormley make it to 15.

JfromJersey

06-25-10, 07:53 PM

God do i hate Sather.

Kluivert4Ever

06-25-10, 07:55 PM

Wait WTF happened here, Cam Fowler was available at 10?!?!??

ymike673

06-25-10, 07:56 PM

Wait WTF happened here, Cam Fowler was available at 10?!?!??

Fowler & Gormley!

dabomb2045

06-25-10, 07:56 PM

Wait WTF happened here, Cam Fowler was available at 10?!?!??

Yep. And we passed on him for a goon. Unbelievable....well its not that unbelievable since we have a disgustingly imcompetent FO.

Kluivert4Ever

06-25-10, 07:57 PM

Fowler & Gormley!

WTF, why did Fowler fall so much? And the better question why the hell didnt we draft him?!?!?!?

Kluivert4Ever

06-25-10, 07:58 PM

Yep. And we passed on him for a goon. Unbelievable....well its not that unbelievable since we have a disgustingly imcompetent FO.

My gosh we had a chance to get Fowler and did that, Im speechless.

trentonthunder

06-25-10, 07:59 PM

NYR = :roflmao:

dabomb2045

06-25-10, 08:00 PM

NYR = :roflmao:

Get lost troll

Kluivert4Ever

06-25-10, 08:05 PM

Staal+Fowler:drool:

oh wait.

trentonthunder

06-25-10, 08:05 PM

Get lost troll

I've been following the Rangers before you were even born. I used to watch this
team on WOR-9 when we only had five channels. It was the only hockey team I
ever watched. One day you'll see how disorganized and foolish this organization is,
if you haven't already.

dabomb2045

06-25-10, 08:06 PM

This is a 100% honest text convo that took place between myself and a friend in the minutes before we made our pick:

Me: "Holy ................ dude, Fowler is there! This is gonna be a steal for us!
Friend: "Amazing....cant believe he fell. Gotta take him here, and we have a unreal young defense core".
Me: "Yeah we def will take him. Well....I hope so.
Friend: "Dont worry bro, even Sather wont f*ck this one up. He got a gift that just fell in his lap. Plus there were some rumors out there we would trade up for him. he's one of the guys they wanted"
Me: "I know dude....but it is Glen Sather"
Friend: "its all good....he's gonna take him. Even he cant blow this"

YanksFan1992

06-25-10, 08:07 PM

I should just start rooting for the NY Red Bulls so I can experience ineptitude from three New York teams instead of just two.

b_joseph

06-25-10, 08:07 PM

Hopefully we can trade Gabby for a couple of 3rd round goons.

SLURPEE

06-25-10, 08:07 PM

WTF, why did Fowler fall so much? And the better question why the hell didnt we draft him?!?!?!?Apparently Gordie Clark was talking how much he loved Fowler before the draft.

b_joseph

06-25-10, 08:08 PM

. One day you'll see how disorganized and foolish this organization is,
if you haven't already.You not read the Ranger threads lately? ANyone with a brain knows this club is foolish.

dabomb2045

06-25-10, 08:09 PM

You not read the Ranger threads lately? ANyone with a brain knows this club is foolish.

You already root for one LA team....if you're smart maybe you should start rooting for the Kings ;)

b_joseph

06-25-10, 08:21 PM

If it was that easy, I would. In fact, I would rather root for the Ducks than the Kings.

But here I am, loyal to a team that has no loyalty to its fanbase. Loyal to a team that does everything in their power to anger anyone who loves the club.

SLURPEE

06-25-10, 08:23 PM

I am beyond pissed off.

If the Knicks don't get Lebron, I'm burning down MSG. Screw it.

Anyone with me?

YanksFan1992

06-25-10, 08:30 PM

If it was that easy, I would. In fact, I would rather root for the Ducks than the Kings.

But here I am, loyal to a team that has no loyalty to its fanbase. Loyal to a team that does everything in their power to anger anyone who loves the club.

Are you talking about the Rangers, or Liverpool? :(

b_joseph

06-25-10, 08:38 PM

Dont even go there. It is taking all of my strength to not cry daily about what is going on at Liverpool.

For all of you guys that think that Rangers are poorly run. Liverpool are 100x worse and have the added bonus of being a good 450+ mill pounds (650+ million bucks ) in debt.

I need a drink.

ALR83

06-25-10, 08:39 PM

I'm pissed but more just depressed. I hate the people who run this organization, I'm sick of this.

If it was that easy, I would. In fact, I would rather root for the Ducks than the Kings.

But here I am, loyal to a team that has no loyalty to its fanbase. Loyal to a team that does everything in their power to anger anyone who loves the club.
I really want to root for someone else right now so I can enjoy the sport I love. I'm disgusted.

YanksFan1992

06-25-10, 08:40 PM

Dont even go there. It is taking all of my strength to not cry daily about what is going on at Liverpool.

For all of you guys that think that Rangers are poorly run. Liverpool are 100x worse and have the added bonus of being a good 450+ mill pounds (650+ million bucks ) in debt.

I need a drink.

Just be glad you root for the Lakers instead of the Knicks. :giveup:

YanksFan1992

06-25-10, 09:13 PM

I have no idea what this means, but incredibly, McIlrath is younger than me.

JfromJersey

06-25-10, 09:19 PM

I am beyond pissed off.

If the Knicks don't get Lebron, I'm burning down MSG. Screw it.

Anyone with me?

Start storing your matches.

JfromJersey

06-25-10, 09:20 PM

i have no idea what this means, but incredibly, McIlrath is younger than me.

Yeah, and he can kick your ass..but can he play hockey?

YanksFan1992

06-25-10, 09:36 PM

Yeah, and he can kick your ass..but can he play hockey?

Not exactly what I meant. I just thought it was bizarre as I've been the youngest/one of the youngest members here for a long time. :lol:

MTYankee23

06-25-10, 09:54 PM

I know some Bruins fans were really high on McIlrath before we traded our pick, not that it's much consolation.

The Rangers passed on Fowler, Nino went to the Island, and CFP was in attendance? Is there someone that can verify that he's okay?

SLURPEE

06-25-10, 10:00 PM

I know some Bruins fans were really high on McIlrath before we traded our pick, not that it's much consolation.

The Rangers passed on Fowler, Nino went to the Island, and CFP was in attendance? Is there someone that can verify that he's okay? On suicide watch...

CanoForPresident

06-25-10, 11:26 PM

Yeah, so that may have been the worst case of blue balls ever.

Its funny, under almost any other circumstance, I would have been fine with this outcome. Johansen, Nino (to the Islanders. I feel bad that he has to wear those clown colors), Skinner, Burmistrov were all gone. I can understand the reservation that would go behind picking someone like Tarasenko (don't totally agree with it, but I understand it) and anyone who is bitching about not trading down has no idea who was where on anyones board, there were a lot of guys who went earlier/later than expected today. I'm fine with taking him over Gormley, whose game has always been a little too vanilla for my liking.

That said, I personally liked Fowler more than all of those guys listed above. I'm no pro scout and I've never coached high school hockey, but Its going to take a lot to convince me that McIlrath will be a better player than Fowler, and by a lot I mean a hit of crack and perhaps a lobotomy. Fowler is better now and I don't see any way thats going to change. I guess some scouts really soured on him because hes "soft" and not fantastic defensively but how quickly we forget that it was Fowler who was out on the ice against hall almost every shift during the WJC's and he did a pretty damn good job shutting him down. Hes got sky high, damn near point a game potential as a defenseman as well, I just don't get it.

I'm not as mad as I was when the pick was made, but holy ................ did that suck. I guess one positive is that NJ didn't trade up to pick Fowler ala Parise in 2003.

On that note, you all need to drop the Jessiman comparisons. McIlrath's best attributes other than his size/toughness are his swagger and attitude, two things that were non existent with Jessiman. I just hope that his foot speed can catch up to the rest of his game, because that will need to happen for this pick to have any chance of being a home run.

trentonthunder

06-26-10, 08:01 AM

I think the best way I can sum up the Rangers 1st round draft night is
that they passed up on Brian Rafalski in order to get another Rozival.
Good luck to the kid, and I hope he does well, and proves us all wrong, but
I'd take Rafalski any day of the week.

StatenIslandYankee

06-26-10, 08:56 AM

SATHER drives me to alcoholism.

StatenIslandYankee

06-26-10, 08:57 AM

I am beyond pissed off.

If the Knicks don't get Lebron, I'm burning down MSG. Screw it.

Anyone with me?

Count me in.

CanoForPresident

06-26-10, 10:16 AM

According to Brooks, Dallas was ready to take McIlrath at 11 before we took him.

Whats the most shocking, to me at least, is that McIlrath was their guy all along. I trust Clark and his scouts, but they're taking a gigantic leap of faith based on what McIlrath showed the last 4 months of the season. It'll be interesting to see where he stands during the prospect camp this week.

Still disappointed that we passed on Fowler but whats done is done. I hope McIlrath taps out his potential and puts Tavares in the third row a few years from now.

And comparing McIlrath to Rozsival, really? Thats as bad of a comparison as you can make.

CanoForPresident

06-26-10, 10:29 AM

Also Calle Jarnkrok, Ryan Spooner or Tyler Toffoli in round 2 please. If we draft Beuk's kid I'm going to be angrier than I was yesterday.

Kluivert4Ever

06-26-10, 11:04 AM

And comparing McIlrath to Rozsival, really? Thats as bad of a comparison as you can make.

Yup, if we are lucky he could be a new Beukeboom.

Kluivert4Ever

06-26-10, 11:07 AM

Please get Calle Järnkrok. He reminds me a lot of Nicklas Bäckström,

CanoForPresident

06-26-10, 11:11 AM

Please get Calle Järnkrok. He reminds me a lot of Nicklas Bäckström,

lol wtf me and klu are on the same page?

JfromJersey

06-26-10, 11:28 AM

K..after a night of banging my noggin against the wall, I've calmed down a bit and tried to look on the bright side. McIlrath seems to be strictly a stay at home banger, who will punish opposing forwards in the Ranger zone. One of the Ranger weaknesses has been clearing bodies from the crease, and this guy (especially after he gains about 20 lbs) will help a lot in that respect. Beukeboom is a good comparison, but this kid looks meaner and like more of an enforcer than Jeff, and the Rangers were lacking Dmen who could do that in recent years.

Kluivert4Ever

06-26-10, 12:08 PM

lol wtf me and klu are on the same page?

:P I have seen Calle a lot this year, he plays for my favourite team in the Elite league and he plays for a team that is great at developing young players (Just look at Markström, Bäckstrom etc). Not many players being drafted from Brynäs become busts they are like the Ajax of football. I have no confidence in Sather picking him though but he would be an AWSOME pick.

Kluivert4Ever

06-26-10, 12:09 PM

K..after a night of banging my noggin against the wall, I've calmed down a bit and tried to look on the bright side. McIlrath seems to be strictly a stay at home banger, who will punish opposing forwards in the Ranger zone. One of the Ranger weaknesses has been clearing bodies from the crease, and this guy (especially after he gains about 20 lbs) will help a lot in that respect. Beukeboom is a good comparison, but this kid looks meaner and like more of an enforcer than Jeff, and the Rangers were lacking Dmen who could do that in recent years.

I know most of us hate him but I hope he can be a poor mans Chris Pronger someday.

b_joseph

06-26-10, 12:19 PM

Ah screw it..after that one its time for me to enjoy the sunshine for a little while.

dabomb2045

06-26-10, 01:13 PM

Ah screw it..after that one its time for me to enjoy the sunshine for a little while.

Btw your av and av comment are awesome

b_joseph

06-26-10, 03:25 PM

Just a shame that its true.

CFP - What are the reports then?

SLURPEE

06-26-10, 04:07 PM

Bobby Sanguinetti traded to Carolina for 2010 6th and 2011 2nd.

dabomb2045

06-26-10, 04:08 PM

Bobby Sanguinetti traded to Carolina for 2010 6th and 2011 2nd.

Cant wait to hear CFP's thoughts on this one

CanoForPresident

06-26-10, 04:12 PM

Just a shame that its true.

CFP - What are the reports then?

Reports on what?

Sangs wasn't gonna get a shot here after not making the team last year and then failing to stick when he was called up. Its sad because the dude looked so promising coming out of Juniors and then was "Renney'd" and just completely stagnated as a pro.

It sucks that Redden is getting paid 6.5 mill a year to do what Sangs could have done for 800k, but what are you gonna do.

However, this makes Passing on Fowler even more baffling than it was yesterday.

dabomb2045

06-26-10, 04:14 PM

Reports on what?

Sangs wasn't gonna get a shot here after not making the team last year and then failing to stick when he was called up. Its sad because the dude looked so promising coming out of Juniors and then was "Renney'd" and just completely stagnated as a pro.

It sucks that Redden is getting paid 6.5 mill a year to do what Sangs could have done for 800k, but what are you gonna do.

However, this makes Passing on Fowler even more baffling than it was yesterday.

It seems like there is just no plan from the FO. Maybe you can see one....I know I sure as hell cant figure out whats going on.

b_joseph

06-26-10, 04:22 PM

Reports on what?

Sangs wasn't gonna get a shot here after not making the team last year and then failing to stick when he was called up. Its sad because the dude looked so promising coming out of Juniors and then was "Renney'd" and just completely stagnated as a pro.

It sucks that Redden is getting paid 6.5 mill a year to do what Sangs could have done for 800k, but what are you gonna do.

However, this makes Passing on Fowler even more baffling than it was yesterday.No!! The reports on these draft picks today, how good are they/can they be.

Sangs, I had kinda forgotten about. certain guys you just get the feel that they would never get a real chance. Like Melancon with the Yankees.

CanoForPresident

06-26-10, 04:24 PM

It seems like there is just no plan from the FO. Maybe you can see one....I know I sure as hell cant figure out whats going on.

Slats wants to build on the fly. It can be done, I prefer it done that way rather than tanking for 3-4 years in a row but when you're making the decisions Sather is making...

You get the cluster ................ that is our current roster.

Heres to hoping that he finally leaves after another year of missing the playoffs.

CanoForPresident

06-26-10, 04:34 PM

No!! The reports on these draft picks today, how good are they/can they be.

Sangs, I had kinda forgotten about. certain guys you just get the feel that they would never get a real chance. Like Melancon with the Yankees.

I covered McI already, sorta. At best hes a top pairing monster (Weber but nastier) but I think hes a pretty safe bet to end up like Beuk. This isn't a bust or boom pick, hes a safe pick, the question is how good is he going to be? I don't know if you guys have YT'd his fights yet, but if you haven't I'd suggest doing so.

Chrisitan Thomas scored a bunch of goals on a terrible team last year. Undersized but hes got good bloodlines and hopefully he can end up with a similar frame to his pops. Hes got a real nose for the net.

Don't know much about Yogan but he sounds like a swing for the fences type pick, ditto Jesper Fasth.

I'm pretty underwhelmed with this group in general. Maybe it'll look much better two years down the line but I still can't get over passing on Fowler.

Thunder22

06-26-10, 06:45 PM

@AGrossRecord: Not good. Reports from LA are that #NYRangers GM Glen Sather calls talks with RFA D Marc Staal "A chasm."

@NYP_Brooksie: Uh oh. Sather on contract talks with Group II Marc Staal: "Wouldn't say there's a wide gulf, would say there's a chasm." Agent is Bobby Orr.

dabomb2045

06-26-10, 06:50 PM

Watch Sather f*ck this one up too. Staal is a cornerstone of the defense....get him signed goddammit.

b_joseph

06-26-10, 07:17 PM

If Staal isnt signed, I could see our better players asking for a trade. How would you feel if you are Henrik and that happened?

Thunder22

06-26-10, 07:35 PM

It's June, I'm not worried about Staal. If it were August, then I'ld be worried.

CanoForPresident

06-27-10, 12:27 AM

Staal isn't going anywhere guys, you need to chill out.

JfromJersey

06-27-10, 12:28 PM

Staal isn't going anywhere guys, you need to chill out.

Agree with you there. He's not going to sit out a whole season. He might miss a few days of camp like Dubinsky did last year, and wind up signing for 3 years instead of the 4 he wants. More troublesome to me is Sather sitting on his hands again with the July 1 deadline for UFAs rapidly approaching.

RhodyYanksFan

06-28-10, 09:21 AM

Agree with you there. He's not going to sit out a whole season. He might miss a few days of camp like Dubinsky did last year, and wind up signing for 3 years instead of the 4 he wants. More troublesome to me is Sather sitting on his hands again with the July 1 deadline for UFAs rapidly approaching.

I kind of want him sitting on his hands this year. There's nobody he can sign that will turn the team around so why kill the cap more than he already has. Spend the money on keeping the young core they do have in the hopes of brighter days in the future when Sather is gone.

I don't know enough about minor league hockey/prospects in general, but after reading up on the draft there's nothing to be said that hasn't been posted already regarding our first round selection. I think it's painfully obvious that Glen Sather's days of being an effective NHL team manager are over. I just don't get why Dolan doesn't see it? I guess missing the playoffs in 2010/2011 could do it.

It's sad, but I already feel like 10/11 is a lost year and it's not even free agent day yet.

JfromJersey

06-28-10, 11:39 AM

I kind of want him sitting on his hands this year. There's nobody he can sign that will turn the team around so why kill the cap more than he already has. Spend the money on keeping the young core they do have in the hopes of brighter days in the future when Sather is gone.

I don't know enough about minor league hockey/prospects in general, but after reading up on the draft there's nothing to be said that hasn't been posted already regarding our first round selection. I think it's painfully obvious that Glen Sather's days of being an effective NHL team manager are over. I just don't get why Dolan doesn't see it? I guess missing the playoffs in 2010/2011 could do it.

It's sad, but I already feel like 10/11 is a lost year and it's not even free agent day yet.

I agree with Brooks today that not bringing Shelley back would be a mistake. The Shelley-Prust line was one of their most effective, and would give them a high character, intimidating 4th line.

RhodyYanksFan

06-28-10, 11:42 AM

Pretty nice writeup on McIlrath. I'm gonna do what I can to talk myself in to this pick.

http://bruins2010draftwatch.blogspot.com/2010/06/first-round-draft-spotlight-dylan.html

Worst thing I see on that page is he should have gone at 17.

CanoForPresident

06-28-10, 12:54 PM

Pretty nice writeup on McIlrath. I'm gonna do what I can to talk myself in to this pick.

http://bruins2010draftwatch.blogspot.com/2010/06/first-round-draft-spotlight-dylan.html

Worst thing I see on that page is he should have gone at 17.

I wouldn't read too much into the draft ranking. Bob Mckenzie said himself that he was gone by 15 at the latest and Mckenzie is as wired into this stuff as anyone.

This is an evaulation done by an actual western league scout -

Dylan McIlrath / Moose Jaw Warriors WHL
D-R / 6-4.25, 212 / 20-Apr-92

Skating: 45 / Skill: 50 / Sense: 60 / Compete: 70 / Toughness: 75

Strengths: Tough, mean SOB who is just nasty to play against. Smart and solid in his own end. Has Tyler Myers-like pokecheck ability.

Weaknesses: Skating is average at best. Limited offense.

--

This is the kind of guy we're talking about when we describe a d-man as "rugged". Loves to hit and make opponents pay the price. Big open ice hitter. Uses the hip check effectively. Tremendous and eager fighter.

Offensive ability is not yet there, but many are selling his upside short. Shows flashes of jumping into the offense smartly and ability to shoot the puck. Feet are just a little bit slow. But his stride got longer this season and he does have some decent straight line speed that helps him recover if he get surprised by a speedy forward. (But yes, if a scout writes "good recovery speed" down as a note, that is not really a positive thing.) Underrated first pass ability - just keeps it simple and gets it out of trouble with reliability. That's all he'll need to be an effective NHLer.

Made some big strides defensively this season. Used to run around a lot looking for the big hit, but now is very effective and smart in the d-zone. Positioning is solid, but often has to give a bigger gap because he's not the best skater. However, his huge reach makes up for that and allows him to be very disruptive with the poke/sweep checks. Makes opponents pay for coming into the crease.

Oh, and did I mention, this guy can really throw 'em in a fight?

Summary: Your assessment of this guy probably depends on how you view his skating. It's not a huge negative for me, but it's not unreasonable to think his pivoting and backward stride are a serious red flag. But I saw a fair bit of improvement in his skating, and there should be more of that to come. I think his offense will come around and let him be at least a good #4. But even in the absolute worst case, if you have to convert him to a 3rd/4th line right wing enforcer, he's going to be a guy that other teams wish they had.

Draft Day: I love this guy and I think he'll surprise on draft day. Scouts who have seen a lot of him understand he's got a more well-rounded game than he gets credit for. If I was picking in the 8-15 range, I'd really argue for this guy. (I'd slot him ahead of Connolly if my team medical specialists expressed any concern about Connolly's hips.) Somewhere in the 15-25 range seems most likely, and I can't imagine him dropping much further than that.

http://nhldraftnotes.blogspot.com/2010/06/dylan-mcilrath-rd-moose-jaw-whl.html

I've made my peace with this selection. Listening to Clark talk about the selection eased the nerves a bit. You can tell that he is 100% sure that he was the best selection in the spot and that he was completely sold on the kids play and ability to reach his potential.

What it really comes down to, for me at least, is how Mcilrath's offense develops. He put up 17 points in the last 30 games of the year when he finally got top pair minutes, which roughly translates to about 40 points in a full season. In a players draft year on a middle of the road team, thats pretty good, and that part of his game is very raw right now.

If he can put up 35-40 points in the NHL while bringing everything else he has, I'll be able to live with this pick, even if Fowler becomes a smoother skating Dan Boyle and Tarasenko turns into Alex Mogilny.

RhodyYanksFan

06-28-10, 01:22 PM

Maybe we'll get a laugh out of Fowler floundering in Anaheim over the next few years. Maybe.

CanoForPresident

06-29-10, 12:43 AM

I doubt it, but I really wonder what exactly it was that caused him to fall as much as he did. Gormley falling makes total sense to me, Fowler falling does not.

Perhaps the murmurs about his lack of passion are true because it can't be defensive zone softness on its own.

Mcilrath will be at the prospects camp tomorrow.

b_joseph

06-29-10, 05:04 AM

I am with you guys, the pick has settled with me now and I just hope he maxes out his abilty and becomes that big bruising D-Man that every team needs.

Hopefully before Henrik starts to decline because its gonna be annoying if he ends before the kid comes along.

CanoForPresident

06-29-10, 01:00 PM

McIlrath arrived in camp today and scored a goal during the scrimmage. Pronger baby! :lol:

Look at this picture of him and Kreider. McIlrath is a HUGE guy and still has 20-30 pounds to add to his frame when its all said and done, not to mention he may grow another inch or two :eek:

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg85/scaled.php?tn=0&server=85&filename=go4v.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

Please develop that offense DMC.

dabomb2045

06-29-10, 01:05 PM

Maybe he can be the next PK Subban.....we can only hope to be so fortunate.

CanoForPresident

06-29-10, 01:25 PM

Maybe he can be the next PK Subban.....we can only hope to be so fortunate.

Don't be ridiculous. PK Subban is already 3 times the player Bobby Orr ever was and is the only member of the Intergalatic Hockey Association.

I'm still marveling over how McI just dwarfs Kreider, who ain't no shrimp!

This team is going to do a total 180 in a few years in terms of size. They've got some really big kids coming down the pipe.

YanksFan1992

06-29-10, 11:30 PM

Alright maybe the pick wasn't all that bad. Maybe.

dabomb2045

06-30-10, 01:07 AM

Don't be ridiculous. PK Subban is already 3 times the player Bobby Orr ever was and is the only member of the Intergalatic Hockey Association.

I'm still marveling over how McI just dwarfs Kreider, who ain't no shrimp!

This team is going to do a total 180 in a few years in terms of size. They've got some really big kids coming down the pipe.

I'm ok with size....as long as they are also good skaters. Those big lumbering slow guys dont have much place in the game anymore, at least not the way they did in the 90s and early 2000s.

CanoForPresident

06-30-10, 08:50 AM

I'm ok with size....as long as they are also good skaters. Those big lumbering slow guys dont have much place in the game anymore, at least not the way they did in the 90s and early 2000s.

Skating is more than just speed. McIlrath is actually not that slow when he gets going, it just takes him a while to get going.

Moving laterally and pivoting are more important elements of skating for defensemen and those are two things McIlrath needs to work on along with acceleration.

I don't think McI needs to have good speed. I'd like for him to be well above average and hes on his way to getting there but hes never going to be able to move the way Tyler Myers does. Remember hes got an 83 inch wing span, hes going to be awfully tough to beat to the outside with that kind of reach and players are going to be very weary of cutting to the middle of the ice against him.

I've got little to no worry about his defensive zone play or how his toughness will translate to the NHL. My concern is what he'll do on the score sheet, which I've mentioned like 800 times in this thread already :lol:

JfromJersey

06-30-10, 11:09 AM

From that photo he already looks bigger than the 215 lbs he's listed at. In a couple of years the Rangers might have a 6'5" 240 lb defensive version of Clark Gillies patrolling their zone.

CanoForPresident

06-30-10, 09:46 PM

Grachev and Stepan tore it up during the scrimmage together today playing on the same line.

It'd be nice to see them spend an entire season together, whether it be in the AHL or with the big club.

Need to find them a right winger though.

RhodyYanksFan

07-01-10, 09:05 AM

Grachev and Stepan tore it up during the scrimmage together today playing on the same line.

It'd be nice to see them spend an entire season together, whether it be in the AHL or with the big club.

Need to find them a right winger though.

Brandon Bochenski?

CanoForPresident

07-01-10, 09:17 AM

Brandon Bochenski?

I guess thatd be a decent option if they're both playing in the A this year.

MZA could be a nice fit on that line, but I'll wait and see with him.

Kluivert4Ever

07-01-10, 09:17 AM

Rangers interested in Hedberg.

RhodyYanksFan

07-01-10, 09:32 AM

T-minus 90 minutes until free agency. Will Sather f-up minorly or royally today?

RhodyYanksFan

07-01-10, 11:43 AM

Marty Biron is our new backup goalie. Shade under $900k per year for 2 years.

JfromJersey

07-01-10, 11:45 AM

Looks like Shelly's leaving. Need for a new enforcer.

CanoForPresident

07-01-10, 01:51 PM

Glen Sather is a ................ing idiot.

SLURPEE

07-01-10, 01:52 PM

Glen Sather is a ................ing idiot.You just noticed that? lol

CanoForPresident

07-01-10, 01:54 PM

You just noticed that? lol

Hes reached a new level of stupid.

1.65 a year over 4 for Boogard? What the ................!

b_joseph

07-01-10, 02:06 PM

Just found out what Shelley signed for and what boogeyface signed for.

Sather is my idol.

TheManKnownAsMecca

07-01-10, 02:15 PM

Love the Biron signing. Great guy.

RhodyYanksFan

07-01-10, 02:49 PM

Hes reached a new level of stupid.

1.65 a year over 4 for Boogard? What the ................!

:giveup:

dabomb2045

07-01-10, 02:54 PM

As long as this jackass is running things....this team will never go anywhere.

RhodyYanksFan

07-01-10, 02:57 PM

Best tweet of the day:

NYP_Brooksie:
Rangers would be best served by having 0 cap space available on 7/1.

Pinstripedbass

07-01-10, 03:27 PM

Congrats on signing Marty Biron. He's a pro. Boogard, on the other hand....????

RhodyYanksFan

07-01-10, 03:43 PM

Second year in a row Sather lets a good goon walk only to pay a crappier goon more money. Mind boggling.

Meanwhile Pittsburgh & Jersey get marketability better through their signings.

dabomb2045

07-01-10, 03:45 PM

Second year in a row Sather lets a good goon walk only to pay a crappier goon more money. Mind boggling.

Meanwhile Pittsburgh & Jersey get marketability better through their signings.

Of course...they actually have a FO thats a) respected around the league b) isnt run by a complete moron

CanoForPresident

07-01-10, 03:47 PM

We're gonna finish last in the Atlantic next year.

And you know what? I'm OK with that. If Booggard is the worst move Slats makes this offseason, then I'll consider that a win. I'd rather over pay a goon a couple of hundred thousand than overpay a skill guy 2-3 mill per a year.

*Waits for Slats to sign Matt Lombardi for 5 years, 25 mill*

Wish we went after Ladd.

dabomb2045

07-01-10, 03:49 PM

We're gonna finish last in the Atlantic next year.

And you know what? I'm OK with that. If Booggard is the worst move Slats makes this offseason, then I'll consider that a win. I'd rather over pay a goon a couple of hundred thousand than overpay a skill guy 2-3 mill per a year.

*Waits for Slats to sign Matt Lombardi for 5 years, 25 mill*

Wish we went after Ladd.

As long as Sather is here....our situation will never get any better because he will just make a dumb signing or two to counteract whatever good we do. Dude needs retire or has to be forced out somehow (which will never happen of course).

RhodyYanksFan

07-01-10, 03:52 PM

We're gonna finish last in the Atlantic next year.

And you know what? I'm OK with that. If Booggard is the worst move Slats makes this offseason, then I'll consider that a win. I'd rather over pay a goon a couple of hundred thousand than overpay a skill guy 2-3 mill per a year.

*Waits for Slats to sign Matt Lombardi for 5 years, 25 mill*

Wish we went after Ladd.

Maybe if we do finish last it might cause Dolan to do something.

But again, do you have confidence in Messier taking over? I guess the only good thing is the core coming up through the ranks int he next few years. The next GM really doesn't have to blow up the team and re-build, he just needs to not f-up.

RhodyYanksFan

07-01-10, 03:55 PM

Ben, I might need whatever you use to watch games this season because I don't want to spend $160 on Center Ice to watch this Rangers team.

RhodyYanksFan

07-01-10, 04:09 PM

@Real_ESPNLeBrun: Hearing the New York Rangers talking to Frolov

b_joseph

07-01-10, 04:17 PM

This team will never finish last because.........

We'll be still in it!!!!!!!!!!!!

CanoForPresident

07-01-10, 04:17 PM

As long as Sather is here....our situation will never get any better because he will just make a dumb signing or two to counteract whatever good we do. Dude needs retire or has to be forced out somehow (which will never happen of course).

Sathers stupidity will finally catch up to him next year IMO. If things stay as they are, we're easily the worst team in the Atlantic and outside of Florida, I can't say that we're better for sure than anyone else in the East. Which is fine, we should have gone down this road 3 ................ing years ago.

At the end of the day, Slats didn't commit stupid money to anyone (yet.) If it stays that way, it should be considered a victory.

Ben, I might need whatever you use to watch games this season because I don't want to spend $160 on Center Ice to watch this Rangers team.

NP.

Just remind me again when the season starts

CanoForPresident

07-01-10, 04:23 PM

Prospal back for one year at a 1M base salary plus another possible 1.1 in performance bonuses.

I would have let him walk, but I've got no problem with this.

SLURPEE

07-01-10, 04:40 PM

Looks like another top 10 pick next year.

CanoForPresident

07-01-10, 05:36 PM

Looks like another top 10 pick next year.

Top 10? Try top 5!

JfromJersey

07-01-10, 05:40 PM

So Sather signed Boogaard for twice as much as he offered Shelley. Shelley can actually skate and score as well as fight. Boogaard can fight alright, but seldom does because he's not skilled enough to get much ice time and when he does, nobody wants to drop their gloves with him. He is 5 years younger than Shelley though.

CanoForPresident

07-01-10, 07:23 PM

Even though this was reported a while ago, its still probably the best news of the day

Derek Stepan officially signs with the Rangers

http://rangers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=533512&navid=DL|NYR|home

Our depth chart at center is awful. Steps (who is up to 190 pounds) may make it out of camp by default.

Now on to something more, uh, surprising. During Slats conference call today, he seemed to hint that the team would like Kreider to turn pro now. Chris Botta says that Kreider is up to 220 lbs (I don't believe it, but he is bigger than he was a year ago) and if he really is 220, or close to it, his frame is more than NHL ready.

I'd rather he go back and tear it up at the NCAA level for another year but I also kind of like the idea of getting him acclimated to the pro game and being able to control his ice time, instead of hoping that Jerry York uses him a bunch next year.

dabomb2045

07-01-10, 07:31 PM

We're gonna suck next year anyways. Is there a downside to just signing Krieder and then letting him, Stepan, Grachev all play with the team next year....and go through their rookie struggles together?

Might as well do it now. Its not as if this team is gonna be any good next season. Get them experience now, and perhaps by the time they are ready to emerge as big-time (hopefully) players...the team will be decent again.

I'd rather watch these kids then some random overpaid veterans fail to produce up to their contract level.

SLURPEE

07-01-10, 07:32 PM

Top 10? Try top 5!You know they will have a couple of big winning streaks that will keep them away from the lottery. Throw in Lundqvist stealing a few games and they have a propensity to stay healthy. Top 10 and not bad enough for the lotto.

CanoForPresident

07-01-10, 08:10 PM

We're gonna suck next year anyways. Is there a downside to just signing Krieder and then letting him, Stepan, Grachev all play with the team next year....and go through their rookie struggles together?

Might as well do it now. Its not as if this team is gonna be any good next season. Get them experience now, and perhaps by the time they are ready to emerge as big-time (hopefully) players...the team will be decent again.

I'd rather watch these kids then some random overpaid veterans fail to produce up to their contract level.

I'd be 100% against Kreider playing significant minutes in the NHL next year. He improved a great deal last year but he'd be going from playing Prep School hockey to the highest level there is in a span of a year and a half. That is way too big of a jump for him to be making, considering that he hasn't really dominated the NCAA level for an entire season (He ripped it up post WJC.)

The idea of him playing in the A is interesting since hes big enough to handle the load (and if he really is 6'2", 220, I can't imagine him having too much trouble with the NCAA next year) and we won't have to worry about him getting boned on ice time by Jerry York, who doesn't give a ................ about player development (nor should he, his job is to win.)

You know they will have a couple of big winning streaks that will keep them away from the lottery. Throw in Lundqvist stealing a few games and they have a propensity to stay healthy. Top 10 and not bad enough for the lotto.

The entire division improved while we stayed put, at best. Hell, most of the conference improved. Of all the teams who finished behind us in the east, I'd say only Florida is worse than we are, maybe Tampa. Remember the East was pretty weak last year, its going to be a stronger conference this season.

This all obviously changes if Slats does something via UFA or trade, but if you read/listen between the lines, it really sounds like they're intent on sticking to their guns and going through a rebuilding year with out calling it a rebuild, but perhaps I'm only reading it the way I want to read it.

YanksFan1992

07-01-10, 08:39 PM

Eh, not the best move, but I'm not too pissed off. Ah Sather.

njdhockey

07-01-10, 10:04 PM

Take it for what it's worth but Devil beat writer Tom Gulitti mentioned in the comments on his blog that he heard the Rangers were "interested" in John Madden.

SLURPEE

07-01-10, 10:05 PM

Let's be honest, the Rangers are in the middle of rebuilding. Even though they're not saying it.

CanoForPresident

07-01-10, 10:09 PM

Take it for what it's worth but Devil beat writer Tom Gulitti mentioned in the comments on his blog that he heard the Rangers were "interested" in John Madden.

Thatd make no sense what so ever.

ZYanksRule

07-01-10, 10:26 PM

Forgot to post this here, sorry it's a bit late...

Sorry for the audio, this is pretty much how the conference call sounded -- the audio will be better during the season when I'm actually at the Garden.

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http://www.insidehockey.com/columns/6873

NEW YORK – Rangers general manager Glen Sather signed two key players Thursday afternoon as free agency opened. One is an insurance policy against other players running into goaltender Henrik Lundqvist, the other an insurance clause protecting the goaltender from overuse.

b_joseph

07-02-10, 05:12 AM

Let's be honest, the Rangers are in the middle of rebuilding. Even though they're not saying it.They've been rebuilding for the better part of my post puberty years.

At some stage, you just need to call it ''we have no clue what to do so we just hope for the best'' mode.

ZYanksRule

07-02-10, 09:12 AM

They've been rebuilding for the better part of my post puberty years.

At some stage, you just need to call it ''we have no clue what to do so we just hope for the best'' mode.

I think I wrote last year, I don't think there's a plan. Glen made some references yesterday to the fact that they're rebuilding, but I don't think there's a real discernible plan for what needs to happen year to year. Brashear didn't work, let's bring in Boogaard. That's the plan for this FA season. It's downright strange.

JfromJersey

07-02-10, 01:20 PM

I still can't believe they're going into the season with the same group of Cs as last year.

SLURPEE

07-02-10, 01:30 PM

I still can't believe they're going into the season with the same group of Cs as last year.This is why I was dying for them to suck really badly so they can draft Seguin.

CanoForPresident

07-02-10, 02:26 PM

Thats precisely why I want them to stay away from Kovalchuk this year and go hard after Richards next year.

Richards
Stepan
Anisimov
(Drury)

Is a huge step up from

Christensen
Anisimov
Drury

CanoForPresident

07-02-10, 05:12 PM

Prust resigns for 2 years/1.6 mill (800,000 per)

So far, so good other than the Boogaard contract. Don't blow it by caving into Frolov's demands Slats.

I'll be happy if we finish the off season by re-signing Staal and Girardi, inking McDonagh and waiving Redden before the season starts.

trentonthunder

07-02-10, 06:35 PM

I think I wrote last year, I don't think there's a plan. Glen made some references yesterday to the fact that they're rebuilding, but I don't think there's a real discernible plan for what needs to happen year to year. .

100% correct, except the Rangers actually do have a plan, and have executed it to perfection for the past 50+ years outside of 1994. It's called bringing in big name
players after their time, causing us to finish just good enough to make the playoffs, and not to draft high, and then waste our draft picks 50% of the time.

If you're born in the NY area, and love the Rangers, you just get fed up with the organization year after year after year. You just have to be amazed at the continuous head scratching mauevers.

YanksFan1992

07-02-10, 06:37 PM

If you're born in the NY area, and love the Rangers, you just get fed up with the organization year after year after year. You just have to be amazed at the continuous head scratching mauevers.

Well I wasn't born in NY, so does that mean I get to be optimistic? 2011 Stanley Cup champs here we come!

CanoForPresident

07-04-10, 11:44 AM

Looks like McDonagh is going to sign

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/rangers/mcdonagh_set_to_wear_blueshirt_useWsM1OiErYguEowAugxM?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=#ixzz0sjFQOKx1

Don't rule out Kreider making the jump as well, even though I don't agree with that if it happens.

RhodyYanksFan

07-06-10, 10:17 AM

Looks like McDonagh is going to sign

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/rangers/mcdonagh_set_to_wear_blueshirt_useWsM1OiErYguEowAugxM?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=#ixzz0sjFQOKx1

Don't rule out Kreider making the jump as well, even though I don't agree with that if it happens.

Good news on McDonagh, not good if Kreider joins him.

CanoForPresident

07-06-10, 02:04 PM

Good news on McDonagh, not good if Kreider joins him.

I don't think he'll make the jump (Kreider), but he is mulling his options. Whats crazier is that the team actually has approached him about signing and turning pro. They have a better idea of where he is at development wise than you or I do.

That said, Hes got a good chance to be in the running for the Hobey Baker award this year (As a True Soph!), Plays for a team that has an excellent shot at repeating as NCAA Champs and should get another crack at a gold medal at the World Juniors. Hes got a lot to go back for.

Though I have to admit, It would be pretty cool to have him, Steps and Grachev down in Hartford at the same time.

dabomb2045

07-06-10, 02:11 PM

I don't think he'll make the jump (Kreider), but he is mulling his options. Whats crazier is that the team actually has approached him about signing and turning pro. They have a better idea of where he is at development wise than you or I do.

That said, Hes got a good chance to be in the running for the Hobey Baker award this year (As a True Soph!), Plays for a team that has an excellent shot at repeating as NCAA Champs and should get another crack at a gold medal at the World Juniors. Hes got a lot to go back for.

Though I have to admit, It would be pretty cool to have him, Steps and Grachev down in Hartford at the same time.

That makes the Wolfpack more watchable next year then the Rangers.

CanoForPresident

07-06-10, 02:12 PM

That makes the Wolfpack more watchable next year then the Rangers.

If that were to go down the Wolfpack may even be able to take the Rangers :lol:

RhodyYanksFan

07-06-10, 02:57 PM

I don't think he'll make the jump (Kreider), but he is mulling his options. Whats crazier is that the team actually has approached him about signing and turning pro. They have a better idea of where he is at development wise than you or I do.

That said, Hes got a good chance to be in the running for the Hobey Baker award this year (As a True Soph!), Plays for a team that has an excellent shot at repeating as NCAA Champs and should get another crack at a gold medal at the World Juniors. Hes got a lot to go back for.

Though I have to admit, It would be pretty cool to have him, Steps and Grachev down in Hartford at the same time.

It's easy for me to say from where I sit, but yeah I'd go back to school too. You never get that back. I'm sure he goes to BC for free, and probably gets more tail than anyone on campus probably. Something tells me BC groupies > Hartford Wolf Pack groupies.

CanoForPresident

07-06-10, 04:17 PM

McDonagh officially signs!

http://rangers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=533881&navid=DL|NYR|home

Step 1 towards getting tougher on the blueline! :clapping:

dabomb2045

07-06-10, 07:22 PM

So the next season we have anything to get excited about for is....2012-13. Im thinking by that time McD, Grachev, Steps and Krieder will all be w/the Rangers and making big impacts. Drury's and Rozsival's contracts ends after 2011-12 so thats more money available. We'll still have Gabby and Henrik under contract. By then we should have Staal, DZ, Callahan and maybe Girardi, Dubinsky and/or Anisimov will be locked up with good deals. Maybe we sign Brad Richards as a UFA for the 2011-12 season so he would be under contract for 12-13.

The only bad contract still on the books would be Redden (assuming he's still around). We'll finally have alot of financial flexibility combined with a nice young core of players, a franchise goalie (Henrik), a nice playmaking #1 center (B-Rich) and a big time goal scorer in his prime (Gabby) at this point.
So by then we should be looking somewhat good..in theory anyways.

Looking at the 2010-11 team....there is no way I see us being good. Dont see how its done. We'll steal some games on Henrik's greatness alone but this is not a playoff team. I think we're best served to aim for a high draft pick.

dabomb2045

07-06-10, 07:28 PM

We basically have three terrible contracts right now. Drury, Redden and Rozsival. Drury unfortunately I think will be here till his deal runs out.

Roszival? His cap hit is $5M for the next two years. Could we realistically trade him to a contender in a salary dump deal, maybe close to the deadline this season?

Redden? Is banishing him in Hartford a realistic possibility?

ZYanksRule

07-06-10, 07:34 PM

We basically have three terrible contracts right now. Drury, Redden and Rozsival. Drury unfortunately I think will be here till his deal runs out.

Roszival? His cap hit is $5M for the next two years. Could we realistically trade him to a contender in a salary dump deal, maybe close to the deadline this season?

Redden? Is banishing him in Hartford a realistic possibility?

If McDonagh makes the team and Staal/Girardi are re-signed, that would, in theory, make Redden the 7th defenseman.

So, yes. It could happen.

CanoForPresident

07-06-10, 07:45 PM

If McDonagh makes the team and Staal/Girardi are re-signed, that would, in theory, make Redden the 7th defenseman.

So, yes. It could happen.

You've got Gilroy penciled in at 6?

I don't know. I think the 5-6 spots will be open to the guys who earn (hopefully) them at camp. Unfortunately, I can see Redden getting one of those spots due to experience/contract, but I think we can all agree that he won't be playing for the Rangers past this season, at the most.

CanoForPresident

07-06-10, 07:50 PM

So the next season we have anything to get excited about for is....2012-13. Im thinking by that time McD, Grachev, Steps and Krieder will all be w/the Rangers and making big impacts. Drury's and Rozsival's contracts ends after 2011-12 so thats more money available. We'll still have Gabby and Henrik under contract. By then we should have Staal, DZ, Callahan and maybe Girardi, Dubinsky and/or Anisimov will be locked up with good deals. Maybe we sign Brad Richards as a UFA for the 2011-12 season so he would be under contract for 12-13.

The only bad contract still on the books would be Redden (assuming he's still around). We'll finally have alot of financial flexibility combined with a nice young core of players, a franchise goalie (Henrik), a nice playmaking #1 center (B-Rich) and a big time goal scorer in his prime (Gabby) at this point.
So by then we should be looking somewhat good..in theory anyways.

Looking at the 2010-11 team....there is no way I see us being good. Dont see how its done. We'll steal some games on Henrik's greatness alone but this is not a playoff team. I think we're best served to aim for a high draft pick.

Brandon Saad.

American born, nastier version of Nino Niederreiter. Leaving the NTDP to play in the OHL next year.

The only problem is we may not be bad enough to land him but we'll see how that goes.

Richards is the deal that I think needs to happen (along with Redden being off the team) in order for this team to move forward.

RhodyYanksFan

07-07-10, 07:18 AM

So the next season we have anything to get excited about for is....2012-13. Im thinking by that time McD, Grachev, Steps and Krieder will all be w/the Rangers and making big impacts. Drury's and Rozsival's contracts ends after 2011-12 so thats more money available. We'll still have Gabby and Henrik under contract. By then we should have Staal, DZ, Callahan and maybe Girardi, Dubinsky and/or Anisimov will be locked up with good deals. Maybe we sign Brad Richards as a UFA for the 2011-12 season so he would be under contract for 12-13.

The only bad contract still on the books would be Redden (assuming he's still around). We'll finally have alot of financial flexibility combined with a nice young core of players, a franchise goalie (Henrik), a nice playmaking #1 center (B-Rich) and a big time goal scorer in his prime (Gabby) at this point.
So by then we should be looking somewhat good..in theory anyways.

Looking at the 2010-11 team....there is no way I see us being good. Dont see how its done. We'll steal some games on Henrik's greatness alone but this is not a playoff team. I think we're best served to aim for a high draft pick.

I like this plan. Plus every year closer to the end of Redden's deal makes it that much easier to rid ourselves of him.

Now it's just up to our fearless/mindless GM to not screw up next off-season.

sprucemoose

07-07-10, 03:56 PM

Slightly NSFW:

http://thetripledeke.blogspot.com/2010/07/ttd-minute-glen-sather-orders-pizza.html

CanoForPresident

07-07-10, 04:10 PM

Slightly NSFW:

http://thetripledeke.blogspot.com/2010/07/ttd-minute-glen-sather-orders-pizza.html

hahahaha! That was pretty good.

The Wade Redden segment in this video had me dying. It's hilarious all together and there are a few things in here that you'll appreciate

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Also slightly NSFW

sprucemoose

07-08-10, 09:08 AM

That was a great one CFP. That guy's site is generally really good.

As soon as I saw Larry Murphy's face, my first instinct was to boo. It's some kind of illness...

RhodyYanksFan

07-08-10, 01:22 PM

Slightly NSFW:

http://thetripledeke.blogspot.com/2010/07/ttd-minute-glen-sather-orders-pizza.html

Sigh. If I didn't laugh I'd cry.

CanoForPresident

07-10-10, 09:39 AM

Voros was traded for Steve Eminger yesterday (7th d-man)

And Girardi signed for 4 years/13.3 mill.

A bit much but thats what happens when you buy out a few UFA years. I'd love to see Slats do the same thing with Staal now.

YanksFan1992

07-10-10, 11:00 AM

Outside of Boogaard (and not drafting Fowler) I can't complain about our offseason so far.

I assume we're not even considering Kovalchuk, right?

CanoForPresident

07-10-10, 11:27 AM

Unless we find a way to rid our selves of Redden/Drury+Rozsival, Kovalchuk is not an option. He isn't exactly a good fit for this team anyway IMO.

Boogaard is the only real big miss so far IMO only because we're not exactly sure what Fowler/McIlrath will become.

dabomb2045

07-11-10, 03:01 AM

Larry Brooks thinks we should make a run at Kovalchuk

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/rangers/dolan_whiffed_on_lebron_but_can_tZSPKB3VDPV738R5bJ1RvK

[B]Impeccable sources have told The Post that the Devils have a contract offer on the table to Kovalchuk for 17 years at more than $100 million, and front-loaded so that Kovalchuk would collect $100 million over the first 10 years of the deal. Yet the winger, who recorded 27 points (10-27) as a Devils' rental while enjoying his experience in New Jersey, hasn't accepted it.

Nevertheless, the Rangers as currently constructed do not have nearly enough top-end talent to contend for anything meaningful in a league that increasingly is dominated by its elite players.

Plus, they are not going to bottom out for years the way the reigning Cup champion Blackhawks and the 2009 champion Penguins did in order to add people like Jonathan Toews, Patrick Kane, Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin and Marc-Andre Fleury.

Plus, elite players don't get to unrestricted free agency in hockey -- they get "lifetime" deals coming out of their Entry Level contracts so that they never reach the market.

Except there's Kovalchuk on the market, a singular threat every time he's on the ice. Except there's this marquee goal-scoring machine-41 last year, 230 over the last six years including two seasons of 52-longing for the bright lights who's there for the taking.

The big-market, big-revenue teams that drive the NHL have two advantages in the hard-cap CBA that has two years to run. They can afford to erase mistakes by sending big-money contracts to the minors and they can afford heavily front-loaded "lifetime" deals that guarantee huge cash to the athlete yet keeps the cap hit manageable.

These teams have two summers in which to flaunt their economic power. The Rangers have this September to demote Wade Redden and they have this summer to get Kovalchuk. No one of similar value will be on the market next year.

Sather has serious issues with the summer cap that will demand creativity in order to solve. The general manager might have to surrender a No. 3 in order to get Donald Brashear's over-35 charge of $1.4 million off the cap, but if that's what it takes to clear the space to land Kovalchuk, so be it.

Kovalchuk is likely to make his decision within the next 48-to-72 hours. The window is open for the Rangers to sign a talent the likes of which they won't otherwise have the opportunity to add for years.

CanoForPresident

07-11-10, 10:30 AM

Two Words...

Cap Space.

We don't have it. The magnitude of the moves that would need to happen to open up the space needed aren't worth it (more than just waiving Redden.)

Talent is great, we need it and if we didn't have Gaborik under contract then Kovalchuk would make a ton of sense, but there is no point in signing another guy long term for more than 7 mill per year just to become marginally better.

That is, if we intend to hold onto all of our young talent that we have on the team now and will have on the team over the next few years. Kovalchuk will do nothing but guarantee a few playoff round wins and continued mediocrity.

bluecountry

07-14-10, 09:25 PM

When is Don Legreca going to stop being a phony?
Can't stand how on NHL Network he acts like Mr. Hockey then goes on the Michael Kay and wants nothing to do with the sport.
Have some balls big guy.

RhodyYanksFan

07-15-10, 04:03 PM

When is Don Legreca going to stop being a phony?
Can't stand how on NHL Network he acts like Mr. Hockey then goes on the Michael Kay and wants nothing to do with the sport.
Have some balls big guy.

What did he say on the MK Show? I like him on that show because he's usually more grounded and rational than most other sports radio hosts.

CanoForPresident

07-20-10, 07:39 PM

So guys, what would you be willing to give up to get Bobby Ryan to NY?

I know their GM has said that they aren't trading him and while that may end up being the case, I don't believe him.

Also, props to Slats for staying out of the Kovalchuk madness.

b_joseph

07-20-10, 08:12 PM

Potential 40 goal scorer at any given time + 23 years old = Bend over and hope it doesnt hurt too much.

Put it this way, if we had him...what would you want for him? You'd be looking for a teams best couple of prospects..their #1 draft selections..and more.

CanoForPresident

07-20-10, 08:37 PM

Potential 40 goal scorer at any given time + 23 years old = Bend over and hope it doesnt hurt too much.

Put it this way, if we had him...what would you want for him? You'd be looking for a teams best couple of prospects..their #1 draft selections..and more.

I don't know how much prospects would help them since they'd need a body to make up for some of what Ryan produced so Dubinsky is the logical roster player that would be going the other way.

On top of that, a load of picks. Honestly, If we're going to overpay out the ass for some one, It better be for someone of Ryan's ilk. Hes got size and skill, and with a little bit of time, may develop into one of the 10 best forwards in the league. Hes Mario Lemieux-lite in my eyes.

b_joseph

07-20-10, 08:41 PM

I'm with you...Its just that it would be one of those moves where the team would have to become instant contenders because of just what you'd have to give up in relation to your future.

I dont think that describes us, so I'd be skeptical.

Lets think about it. Dubi, Staal, Kreider and an assortment of high draft picks for a few years...that would hurt me.

CanoForPresident

07-20-10, 08:46 PM

I'm with you...Its just that it would be one of those moves where the team would have to become instant contenders because of just what you'd have to give up in relation to your future.

I dont think that describes us, so I'd be skeptical.

Lets think about it. Dubi, Staal, Kreider and an assortment of high draft picks for a few years...that would hurt me.

lmfao I'd tell them to ................ off hard if they asked for that.

Honestly, you could probably get him for Staal straight up and I'd have a problem doing that only cuz that would be plugging up one hole while opening up another.

A Staal less package could probably get it done but you're talking about dubi, a prospect, and multiple picks.

b_joseph

07-20-10, 08:49 PM

Staal straight up? Thats bold...you yourself called him Mario-lite and Mario-lite is worth much more than Staal. Especially a Staal that hasnt fully shown his offensive side of the game.

CanoForPresident

07-20-10, 09:16 PM

Staal straight up? Thats bold...you yourself called him Mario-lite and Mario-lite is worth much more than Staal. Especially a Staal that hasnt fully shown his offensive side of the game.

Staal is already one of the top 10 defensive defensemen in the game. He'll only get better and was an absolute rock last year. He was eating something like 27 minutes of ice down the stretch.

LOL at NJD!

b_joseph

07-21-10, 06:34 AM

Yeah, I gues but Bobby Ryan is on the verge of being really special. Not to say that Staal isnt because IMO and lots of our opinions, he is.

Is it easier to find a Staal type or a Bobby Ryan type?

RhodyYanksFan

07-21-10, 08:04 AM

We have a few nice young defensemen, but Staal is the best by far. If they could do a deal for Dubi, any non-Staal d-man, one of Krieder/Bourque and some picks, they should do it.

CanoForPresident

07-21-10, 10:39 AM

Yeah, I gues but Bobby Ryan is on the verge of being really special. Not to say that Staal isnt because IMO and lots of our opinions, he is.

Is it easier to find a Staal type or a Bobby Ryan type?

Neither :lol:

Defensemen are more valued in this league than Forwards are, especially ones who are under 27 and already as good as Staal.

I think Ryan can be had with out giving up Staal or any prospects, but it really comes down to if you believe that giving up 3-4 1st and 2nd round draft picks (Combined, not 3-4 each) is worth it. I think it is, but I can understand if people don't believe that this is the time to make such a move.

RhodyYanksFan

07-21-10, 11:23 AM

Neither :lol:

Defensemen are more valued in this league than Forwards are, especially ones who are under 27 and already as good as Staal.

I think Ryan can be had with out giving up Staal or any prospects, but it really comes down to if you believe that giving up 3-4 1st and 2nd round draft picks (Combined, not 3-4 each) is worth it. I think it is, but I can understand if people don't believe that this is the time to make such a move.

If they can get Ryan, and have Gaborik, hopefully Mike Richards next year, Kreider, Stepan, Grachev, Callahan, Staal, MDZ and Henrik still in his prime - you have to try to do it.

CanoForPresident

07-21-10, 11:36 AM

If they can get Ryan, and have Gaborik, hopefully Mike Richards next year, Kreider, Stepan, Grachev, Callahan, Staal, MDZ and Henrik still in his prime - you have to try to do it.

Brad Richards, but I agree 100%.

RhodyYanksFan

07-21-10, 11:46 AM

Brad Richards, but I agree 100%.

Get them both? lol.

CanoForPresident

07-21-10, 12:07 PM

I HATE Mike Richards...

RhodyYanksFan

07-21-10, 12:43 PM

I HATE Mike Richards...

He probably hates you too.

MTYankee23

07-21-10, 01:32 PM

Neither :lol:

Defensemen are more valued in this league than Forwards are, especially ones who are under 27 and already as good as Staal.

I think Ryan can be had with out giving up Staal or any prospects, but it really comes down to if you believe that giving up 3-4 1st and 2nd round draft picks (Combined, not 3-4 each) is worth it. I think it is, but I can understand if people don't believe that this is the time to make such a move.

If I were a team that was planning on being a SC contender the next 3-5 years, I'd trade my next 3 1's for him. Not that the Bruins have the space to pull this off like the Rangers do (without giving Michael Ryder a Garmin that only points to the Dunkin' Donuts Center in Providence), but Blake Wheeler, Matt Hunwick, and 3 1sts to Anaheim. . . That would be my next move as Boston's GM, I'd even justify it with our miserly owner by saying that we'll make up for Ryder's salary with Bobby Ryan jersey sales and playoff tickets.

So to get back to your Rangers, everything you're saying here is absolutely right. Especially considering the Rangers, in my mind, have the prospect base to make up for the lost picks (which would instantly become much, much lower anyway).

RhodyYanksFan

07-21-10, 02:35 PM

So to get back to your Rangers, everything you're saying here is absolutely right. Especially considering the Rangers, in my mind, have the prospect base to make up for the lost picks (which would instantly become much, much lower anyway).

Didn't even think about that. You have to believe that what happened this year with Boston and Toronto wouldn't occur again and the picks the Rangers would trade would ideally end up in the 20's and not in the top 5.

CanoForPresident

07-21-10, 02:40 PM

If I were a team that was planning on being a SC contender the next 3-5 years, I'd trade my next 3 1's for him. Not that the Bruins have the space to pull this off like the Rangers do (without giving Michael Ryder a Garmin that only points to the Dunkin' Donuts Center in Providence), but Blake Wheeler, Matt Hunwick, and 3 1sts to Anaheim. . . That would be my next move as Boston's GM, I'd even justify it with our miserly owner by saying that we'll make up for Ryder's salary with Bobby Ryan jersey sales and playoff tickets.

So to get back to your Rangers, everything you're saying here is absolutely right. Especially considering the Rangers, in my mind, have the prospect base to make up for the lost picks (which would instantly become much, much lower anyway).

Wait, we have space? :lol:

We'd have enough to get a deal done, but we'd be right up against it.

That said, If you can get Ryan with out giving up Staal then you do it.

Like Rhody said, if you add Ryan and Richards next year to a group that already has Gaborik, Anisimov, Lundqvist, Staal, Girardi, Del Zotto and Callahan with Kreider, Stepan, Grachev, McDonagh, McIlrath and Werek on the way, That team is contending in 2 years and beyond.

MTYankee23

07-21-10, 02:45 PM

Didn't even think about that. You have to believe that what happened this year with Boston and Toronto wouldn't occur again and the picks the Rangers would trade would ideally end up in the 20's and not in the top 5.

Yeah, those are totally different situations. The Leafs were a bottom 5 team in terms of goal differential the year prior to the Kessel trade, and it arguably didn't fill their biggest weakness. Bobby Ryan is just what the doctor ordered for the Rangers, and they were middle of the pack goal differential wise. If they gave up their next 3 1sts, or 2 1sts and a 2nd like Toronto did, none of those picks would be top 20.

CanoForPresident

07-21-10, 02:52 PM

Yeah, those are totally different situations. The Leafs were a bottom 5 team in terms of goal differential the year prior to the Kessel trade, and it arguably didn't fill their biggest weakness. Bobby Ryan is just what the doctor ordered for the Rangers, and they were middle of the pack goal differential wise. If they gave up their next 3 1sts, or 2 1sts and a 2nd like Toronto did, none of those picks would be top 20.

I disagree.

Even with Ryan, we'd still pick in the top 20 next year but thats fine, as long as it isn't a top 2 pick like Toronto's turned out to be, you live with it and move on.

If you've got a pretty full farm and a chance to get a great player who can potentially be an "elite' player that isn't in the farm, then it makes sense to move a few of those draft choices to get that guy. I don't know about giving up 3 1sts, but 2 1sts and a second in addition to a roster player seems to be fine value. Hell, Id give them all of our selections in the first 2 rounds (we've got 2 in the second next year) for the next 2 years in addition to Dubinsky to get it done.

Some of those picks may turn out to be great players in a few years, but that'll sting a lot less when you get to ice a great team much sooner.

MTYankee23

07-21-10, 02:54 PM

Wait, we have space? :lol:

We'd have enough to get a deal done, but we'd be right up against it.

That said, If you can get Ryan with out giving up Staal then you do it.

Like Rhody said, if you add Ryan and Richards next year to a group that already has Gaborik, Anisimov, Lundqvist, Staal, Girardi, Del Zotto and Callahan with Kreider, Stepan, Grachev, McDonagh, McIlrath and Werek on the way, That team is contending in 2 years and beyond.

Haha, I was under the impression that you did, relative to us at least.

RhodyYanksFan

07-21-10, 03:14 PM

I disagree.

Even with Ryan, we'd still pick in the top 20 next year but thats fine, as long as it isn't a top 2 pick like Toronto's turned out to be, you live with it and move on.

If you've got a pretty full farm and a chance to get a great player who can potentially be an "elite' player that isn't in the farm, then it makes sense to move a few of those draft choices to get that guy. I don't know about giving up 3 1sts, but 2 1sts and a second in addition to a roster player seems to be fine value. Hell, Id give them all of our selections in the first 2 rounds (we've got 2 in the second next year) for the next 2 years in addition to Dubinsky to get it done.

Some of those picks may turn out to be great players in a few years, but that'll sting a lot less when you get to ice a great team much sooner.

So is it safe to say Dubinsky has reached his potential as a player - or would it be a move that would benefit both the team and him if they dealt him elsewhere? I hate when guys leave then get amazing, but if this is the most we're gonna get out of Dubi, then he's more valuable as a trading chip IMO.

CanoForPresident

07-21-10, 04:27 PM

So is it safe to say Dubinsky has reached his potential as a player - or would it be a move that would benefit both the team and him if they dealt him elsewhere? I hate when guys leave then get amazing, but if this is the most we're gonna get out of Dubi, then he's more valuable as a trading chip IMO.

I don't think hes reached his potential. Hes shown at times that he can be a very good 2nd line player but he doesn't play with much consistency.

Dubi at his best probably puts up the same amount of points that Ryan does now. He makes sense in a trade since hes similar in age and fits the playing style of what the Ducks look for (hes the only semi passable top six forward we have who isn't Gaborik), and he isn't a bad player at all. In a way, hes sort of the one expendable chip that we have who is attractive to other teams.

I'm all for moving Dubinsky in a deal for the right player. I was hoping that Slats dangled him in a package for Suter or Weber a few years ago when Nashville wasn't sure if they could sign them both and I'm fine with moving him for Ryan now since you'd be upgrading that position.

What I wouldn't be happy with is moving him for an older player (Savard for instance) or for in a package for a semi young player with a big contract (Spezza.)

CanoForPresident

07-21-10, 04:31 PM

Haha, I was under the impression that you did, relative to us at least.

We've got about 5 mill in space right now and close to 11 with the extra space allowed during the summer. More than enough space to get both Ryan and Staal signed and then some if Dubinsky goes the other way (and then Redden gets waived at the start of the season.)

Next year would be a little more interesting, but we've got 10+ mill coming off the books but we'd need to get Anisimov and Callahan re upped (they'll probably get 5 mill between them.) Unless Richards is willing to take one of those cap dancing deals, we'd have to move another body to make room for him. It'd be tight, but we should be able to get it done.

We'd have nothing to worry about 2 off seasons from now since close to 20 mill will come off the books (15 if Rozsival gets dealt before hand), and a bunch of young talent ready to step in.

SLURPEE

07-22-10, 02:10 PM

I would love B.Ryan but what could they trade for him? Picks and Dubinsky? Is that enough to get it done without giving up major prospects?

CanoForPresident

07-22-10, 03:00 PM

I would love B.Ryan but what could they trade for him? Picks and Dubinsky? Is that enough to get it done without giving up major prospects?

I just threw that out there as an example of what I'd give up.

For all I know, the asking price may actually be a prospect or two on top of that, which is pretty much a memo to all other GM's stating that "Ryan is unavailable unless you're stupid."

I'm not advocating getting Ryan at all costs. I say go get him if you can get him with out losing Staal or top prospects (or one at most.)

SLURPEE

07-23-10, 10:33 AM

This line would be sick:

Kreider--Stepan--Ryan :smokin:

CanoForPresident

07-23-10, 10:38 AM

This line would be sick:

Kreider--Stepan--Ryan :smokin:

Both on the Rangers and in Sochi in 2014!

Imagine backing up that line with Grachev-Richards-Gaborik :eek:

We'd be peeing on the Devils, their fans and the rest of the EC.

CanoForPresident

07-26-10, 10:43 AM

Apparently we're interested in Frolov and Ponikorovsky....

I guess Slats waited a little longer to take his stupid pills this offseason (Frolov isn't awful, but he doesn't fit this team.)

Frolov on a one year deal honestly wouldn't be the worst thing in the world (30 goal 60 point upside and at the worst, a nice chip to move in March) but Ponikorovsky would be a Kotalik like disaster.

RhodyYanksFan

07-26-10, 11:16 AM

He must sit with a big white board of lines and wherever there's a blank spot he just picks a name out of a hat to fill the hole.

CanoForPresident

07-26-10, 12:26 PM

I wish he'd pick out a good name more often.

Rangers released their Roster for the Traverse City tournament -

2010 NY RANGERS TRAVERSE CITY PROSPECTS TOURNAMENT ROSTER

Forwards

Player POS. HT WT Age 2008-09 Team (League)
Ryan Bourque LW 5-9 171 19 Quebec (QMJHL)
Evgeny Grachev RW 6-4 222 20 Hartford (AHL)
Roman Horak C 6-0 175 19 Chilliwack (WHL)
Colin Martin LW 6-2 206 19 London (OHL)
Chris McKelvie RW 6-1 195 25 Bemidji State (CHA); Hartford (AHL)
Randy McNaught RW 6-4 220 19 Saskatoon (WHL)
Brendan Shinnimin C 5-10 176 19 Tri-City (WHL)
Derek Stepan C 6-0 187 20 Wisconsin (WCHA)
Christian Thomas RW 5-9 164 18 Oshawa (OHL)
Ethan Werek C 6-1 195 19 Kingston (OHL)
Jason Wilson LW 6-2 206 20 Owen Sound (OHL)
Andrew Yogan LW 6-3 203 18 Erie (OHL)

Defensemen
Lee Baldwin D 6-3 200 22 Alaska-Anchorage (WCHA); Hartford (AHL)
Sam Klassen D 6-2 199 21 Saskatoon (WHL)
Tomas Kundratek D 6-2 200 20 Medicine Hat (WHL)
Dan Maggio D 6-3 202 19 Sudbury (OHL)
Brandon Manning D 6-1 195 20 Chilliwack (WHL)
Dylan McIlrath D 6-4 218 18 Moose Jaw (WHL)
Ryan McDonagh D 6-1 222 21 Wisconsin (WCHA)
Jyri Niemi D 6-2 208 20 Saskatoon (WHL)

Goaltenders

Scott Stajcer G 6-3 200 19 Owen Sound (OHL)
Cam Talbot G 6-3 205 23 Alabama-Huntsville (CHA); Hartford (AHL)

http://rangers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=534922&navid=DL|NYR|home

Pretty stacked roster for this tournament.

RhodyYanksFan

07-26-10, 02:55 PM

Apparently we're interested in Frolov and Ponikorovsky....

I guess Slats waited a little longer to take his stupid pills this offseason (Frolov isn't awful, but he doesn't fit this team.)

Frolov on a one year deal honestly wouldn't be the worst thing in the world (30 goal 60 point upside and at the worst, a nice chip to move in March) but Ponikorovsky would be a Kotalik like disaster.

Frolov sounds like he'd be 2010's Zherdev. Hopefully Glen doesn't pay him 4.5 million too.

CanoForPresident

07-26-10, 03:09 PM

Frolov sounds like he'd be 2010's Zherdev. Hopefully Glen doesn't pay him 4.5 million too.

I don't think thats a fair comparison. Frolov is actually a team player.

He was mis casted last year with the Kings on the third line (along with Dustin Brown, wtf?) so his numbers suffered a bit. Frolov doesn't have Zherdev's mits but he has pretty good size and uses it well. He scores a bunch of his goals from the circles in. Hes 2 seasons removed from a 30 goal season and has broken the 70 point plateau, two things that Zherdev has never done.

Frolov isn't a bad player and if we had a better roster he may be a guy I'd be willing to take on but all he does at this point is weaken our draft position and put us pretty much where we were last year, right on the bubble of an 8th seed or barely missing out.

The Frolov's and Ponikarovsky's are guys we should stay clear of. Trying to swing a trade for someone like Bobby Ryan or James Neal, if they're available, is what Slats should be looking at if hes going to do anything at all. Those are guys who will improve the team, sure, but they're also young enough to be a part of the core in future years.

CanoForPresident

07-26-10, 11:31 PM

Annnd apparently we're on the cusp of signing Frolov for 1-2 years between 2-3 mill per.

I hate Sather.

RhodyYanksFan

07-27-10, 07:41 AM

An article I read makes it sound like it's only for one year at $2.9 million. However right now we're only 2.2 million under the cap and they still have to sign Staal so I have no idea why they're rushing in to this Frolov deal. Its not like other teams were knocking down his door.

One good thing is if this happens it probably means the end of Redden.

Kluivert4Ever

07-27-10, 08:44 AM

Annnd apparently we're on the cusp of signing Frolov for 1-2 years between 2-3 mill per.

I hate Sather.

Swedish newspapers are reporting that its a 1 year deal and its all but done.

dabomb2045

07-27-10, 09:02 AM

I talked about this move w/CFP last night....Frolov's a solid player but its not someone we need. If we were a contending team, looking for a final piece or two....he'd be the perfect guy. Of course we are far away from that so this move makes little sense.

Sather has NO plan. NONE. Its pathetic.

Kluivert4Ever

07-27-10, 09:20 AM

I talked about this move w/CFP last night....Frolov's a solid player but its not someone we need. If we were a contending team, looking for a final piece or two....he'd be the perfect guy. Of course we are far away from that so this move makes little sense.

Sather has NO plan. NONE. Its pathetic.

I agree that Sather has no plan, but if its indeed a 1 year deal its not a big deal IMO.

CanoForPresident

07-27-10, 10:21 AM

An article I read makes it sound like it's only for one year at $2.9 million. However right now we're only 2.2 million under the cap and they still have to sign Staal so I have no idea why they're rushing in to this Frolov deal. Its not like other teams were knocking down his door.

One good thing is if this happens it probably means the end of Redden.

Actually we're closer to 4 mill under the cap. I don't know why NHLscap and all those other cap relates sites keep on counting MZA's contract under the current cap, but his contract doesn't count until the season starts (as is the case with all two way contracts where the player didn't play a single NHL game the previous season.) Thats an extra 1.75 mill of space.

We'll have 6+ mill to get Staal re-signed, which is more than he'll end up getting sans an offer sheet. But you're right, this move would really signal the end of Redden, unless they move both Rozsival and Dubinsky (the latter have, I'm actually in favor of doing if Frolov is signed)

CanoForPresident

07-27-10, 11:34 AM

1 year 3 mill for Frolov, its official. Not the way I wanted to go but its certainly not a disaster move.

That gives us uh, about 7 mill with the summer cap for Staal.

We've got an abundance of wingers right now. Slats has to have something else up his sleeve.

b_joseph

07-27-10, 12:25 PM

6 of one and half a dozen of the other.

Nothing move..nothing good and nothing bad.

It is what it is.

Cant think of anymore sayings :(

CanoForPresident

07-27-10, 12:30 PM

6 of one and half a dozen of the other.

Nothing move..nothing good and nothing bad.

It is what it is.

Cant think of anymore sayings :(

We're still in it?

b_joseph

07-27-10, 02:34 PM

Hey, that goes without saying!

Frolov never struck me as a Torts type but what the hey!!!

CanoForPresident

07-27-10, 03:09 PM

That hes not. I do think that Frolov and Gaborik would compliment each other really well though.

I don't see Torts sticking around much longer. Not to say that its fault (almost all of it lies with the guy who has somehow kept his job for 10 years) but another sub par season and the dude is out, that is if he doesn't KO Brooksie first :lol:

b_joseph

07-27-10, 03:57 PM

On the ice @ MSG. Brooks vs Torts on skates...first blood wins.

Problem is CFP..What constitutes as a sub par season with this roster? I cant really get on him at all this year because nobody thinks this team can contend for the playoff spot.

CanoForPresident

07-27-10, 04:27 PM

On the ice @ MSG. Brooks vs Torts on skates...first blood wins.

Problem is CFP..What constitutes as a sub par season with this roster? I cant really get on him at all this year because nobody thinks this team can contend for the playoff spot.

Say what you want about Torts, but he would beat the living ................ out of Brooksie with out breaking a sweat. I'd pay to see that though.

I think missing the playoffs is still a sub par season. Frolov wouldn't have been signed if this team didn't think that they had a chance at playing hockey past game 82. If they miss out again, I'd bet that Torts is out and that Slats goes with him (on his own accord, handing over the GM duties to Messier :barf:)

The only thing to look forward to with this team (if the roster stands as it is) has been the same thing it was last year, the development of the young players.

Being a fan of this team has gone from being exciting (the 05-06 season was a lot of fun, even if that team sans Jagr wasn't very good because the players actually cared) to staying in a bad marriage for the sake of the kids.