The Randy Winn & Marcus Thames Performance Thread [Archive]

Mark19

04-15-10, 10:02 PM

Seeing as how rarely they play, I don't think they ought to have separate threads...

Thames showed some of that famous power against LHP but his baserunning and defense will likely restrict him to 5-10 ABs per week

Randy has shown some decent glove work but his ABs in his first start were pretty abysmal, I hope he can shake off the rust and become a productive part-timer

Sam18

04-15-10, 10:03 PM

Idk I'm really disturbed by the way Winn looks. I can't quite put my finger on it.

JSG

04-15-10, 10:07 PM

Idk I'm really disturbed by the way Winn looks. I can't quite put my finger on it.

a few people earlier today were joshing about the melkman's OPS+ @ -8. winn is at - 100 !!!!! i sheeittest thou not .......... whooooooooooaaaaaaaaa baby .... !!! .....

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http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/winnra01.shtml?redir

delv

04-15-10, 10:47 PM

yeah, Winn's swing looks horrific. definitely caught in between. either overswinging or the ball is knocking the bat out of his hands.

flymick24

04-15-10, 10:51 PM

Idk I'm really disturbed by the way Winn looks. I can't quite put my finger on it.

at the plate or just in general?

in any case, i agree... he looked like monkey balls in all his ABs today and his face reminds me of nosferatu on crack

S2K

04-15-10, 11:27 PM

Not everyone will take well to part-time play. I was never a Winn fan, but sporadic play isn't likely to help the guy.

themgmt

04-16-10, 06:31 AM

Idk I'm really disturbed by the way Winn looks. I can't quite put my finger on it.

He moves like one of the players from Old Timer's day.

yanksphan

04-16-10, 06:37 AM

Idk I'm really disturbed by the way Winn looks. I can't quite put my finger on it.

I make this odd mental association with him:

http://zembla.cementhorizon.com/archives/winn.jpghttp://weblogs.wpix.com/sports/thehuddle/bernie_williams.jpg

2PhonesMaccabee

04-16-10, 06:38 AM

Idk I'm really disturbed by the way Winn looks. I can't quite put my finger on it.Racist?

JSG

04-16-10, 07:04 AM

............his face reminds me of nosferatu on crack

hilarious, that's exactly it !! ......... it's like a horror movie. from a distance he looks a little like a skinny bernie .......... but then, as the camera zooms in .............. yaaaaaaaaaaaggggggghhhhh ..... ..........

JSG

04-16-10, 11:19 AM

winn >> total zone, who'd a thunk it ???!!!

http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/16/viewing-baseball-through-a-prism-of-the-numbers/?ref=sports

pleasepassthesoup

04-16-10, 11:46 AM

The best thing about Winn is that he was once traded for Lou Piniella.

Yankee Tripper

04-16-10, 11:52 AM

Haven't seen Winn this year but sounds like his bat might be toast.

Thames looks like he's the designated starter against lefties. I image that Granderson, Johnson and Swisher will all get the occasional off day against lefties but that a Gardner/Thames platoon is primarily what we might be seeing in LF.

NelsonMuntz

04-16-10, 12:45 PM

I never did understand why we signed Winn over Reed Johnson.

Yankee Tripper

04-16-10, 12:48 PM

I never did understand why we signed Winn over Reed Johnson.There were a lot of good reason for it. Mostly it was because if Garnder was a complete and total flop Winn might have been an option as an everyday OF since he has been a regular for the past 12 years. Unfortunatly it look like Winn might be toast - and not just on the few ABs he's had.

Johnson was an RH platoon guy and 4th OF at best which is what they signed Thames for.

Mark19

04-16-10, 12:50 PM

There were a lot of good reason for it. Mostly it was because if Garnder was a complete and total flop Winn might have been an option as an everyday OF since he has been a regular for the past 12 years. Unfortunatly it look like Winn might be toast - and not just on the few ABs he's had.

Johnson was an RH platoon guy and 4th OF at best which is what they signed Thames for.

Johnson also had a history of lower back injuries, meaning that regular playing time could have aggravated his problem

Yankee Tripper

04-16-10, 12:57 PM

Johnson also had a history of lower back injuries, meaning that regular playing time could have aggravated his problemThat too.

I actually liked the Winn signing at the time and it still may turn out OK. But his splits last year are looking more troubling and his spring and early season (SSS warning) haven't done anything to suggest improvement is coming soon.

freebubba

04-16-10, 12:59 PM

Lets change the name of this thread to "Why for the love of god did the Yankees not sign Reed Johnson?".

CommerceComet

04-16-10, 03:03 PM

It's way too early to get worked about anyone's performance, good or bad.

I wasn't thrilled by Winn's signing nor Gardner's elevation to a starting LF but I'm willing to give both time to see how things work out before I begin complaining about it. There is still pretty of time for Winn to prove that he was worth the money and for Gardner to show that he belongs as a regular.

During the FA signing period, Winn would have been about the last OF on my list but I'm willing to be shown wrong about it.

ober0n98

04-16-10, 03:25 PM

Did not want winn. Never did.

With thames i thot we were done; the winn situation surprised me. I was also wondering why winn over reed (altho i get the logic behind it)

JSG

04-16-10, 04:32 PM

I never did understand why we signed Winn over Reed Johnson.

he's more versatile if more limited, and also cheaper. IMO no LFer that was relatively cheap was better than gardner, so they decided to be frugal and see what falls out of the tree 7/31 or next yr. and if gardner picks it up, maybe he sticks. also, it's likely winn will kick it into gear to some degree.

ajra21

04-17-10, 10:56 AM

my guess is that neither of these guys are with the team come the postseason.

NelsonMuntz

04-21-10, 10:47 PM

Winn is just dreadful.

flymick24

04-21-10, 10:48 PM

DFA by june

JavyVazquezIsSick

04-21-10, 10:51 PM

Hopefully Winn's dad won't be happy he's a Yankee for much longer.

NelsonMuntz

04-21-10, 10:53 PM

He was just unlucky last year.

flymick24

04-21-10, 10:54 PM

well he's already used up all his luck for 2010 by even getting that contract to begin with

bomber999

04-21-10, 11:04 PM

He really looks overmatched at the plate.

delv

04-21-10, 11:26 PM

he really does. good defense out there, tho

Yankees1962

04-22-10, 04:04 AM

DFA by june
Maybe, if the Yankees need more than one start out of him every two weeks.

mr.roy

04-22-10, 07:39 AM

OldYankeeFan

04-22-10, 07:56 AM

Tell me that the Yankees have an OF in the minors that can be called up and can give us more than Winn has at the plate.
I feel Winn should get more PA before he is judged harshly.

The Yankees didn't sign him for his bat, but someone needs to be ready for the call up. Golson can't be as bad if there is a need for a defensive callup. Pena played some OF in ST I believe and he with Thames is enough of an emergency backup. The problem with Winn is that he hasn't caught up to a FB yet this season and I really don't see that changing with little playing time. so I don't want to see Winn getting more PA's.

He was brought here as insurance for Gardner in case he totally flopped (or Winn showed that last year was an outlier season instead of age catching up with him). Neither happend so DFA Winn when Park comes off the DH and keep Logan up. He is MUCH more useful.

mr.roy

04-22-10, 08:17 AM

I feel something should be done. Your idea has merit. It would make the team better.
The team gets so little from Winn.
I agree Winn doesn't need to be in the batter's box, I was trying to be kind.
Is there kindness in baseball? I know there's no crying. :)

Golson, that's it?

stazsanity

04-22-10, 08:22 AM

odds are one of these two are going to get a start this afternoon against Braden

mr.roy

04-22-10, 08:24 AM

odds are one of these two are going to get a start this afternoon against Braden

I bet Thames. Got to have someone who can hit.

JavyVazquezIsSick

04-22-10, 08:28 AM

He really looks overmatched at the plate.

That's really the issue. It's not so much as being in a slump as much as it is looking completely overmatched since Spring Training started. Yankees should of done some, what do you call it, ummmm, scouting?

stazsanity

04-22-10, 08:30 AM

That's really the issue. It's not so much as being in a slump as much as it is looking completely overmatched since Spring Training started. Yankees should of done some, what do you call it, ummmm, scouting?

Even though he's hitting .205 to date, I still think the Yanks should've brought JHJr back...I get it, he was twice as expensive, but he was a perfect fit for what they need (and more versatile).

R.V.47

04-22-10, 08:30 AM

I know itll be tough for the fans, but I think its time for the yankees to cut ties with Randy Winn.

delv

04-22-10, 08:34 AM

delv

04-22-10, 08:36 AM

we really shouldn't be complaining about a guy who hasn't even had 10 PAs. If he has 10 0-for PAs every 3 weeks, we'll be fine.

mr.roy

04-22-10, 08:53 AM

we really shouldn't be complaining about a guy who hasn't even had 10 PAs. If he has 10 0-for PAs every 3 weeks, we'll be fine.

O.K. I can believe that.
What I have trouble believing is that the Yankees have to settle for him.
Having said that, he's doing what he was signed for and I'm not complaining about that.
I was just hoping for an OBP above .000 after 10 AB. A SB and I would be ecstatic.

CommerceComet

04-23-10, 11:04 AM

stazsanity

04-23-10, 11:09 AM

Since no one has done so, let me applaud Thames' continuing good performances. He was brought in to rip LHP. An OPS of 1.371 certainly qualifies (admittedly, in a small sample). He brings additional value in the inter-league games as a PH since he's also a decent hitter against RHP.

good observation- I meant to get around to a comment like this today, but you beat me to it- allow me to add that I'm not (yet) on the "DFA Randy Winn" train, however, if Thames keeps hitting left handed pitching like this, there's no doubt in my mind that Winn's window of opportunity may slam shut on him quickly...

JavyVazquezIsSick

04-23-10, 11:10 AM

Yup. Agreed. Has definitely done a bang up job despite making Matsui look like Carl Crawford (jab jab jab) in the OF.

AnA-bombforA-rod

04-23-10, 02:10 PM

Thames looks good so far, he's been swinging the bat great. Randy Winn, not so much.

BronxYanks45

04-23-10, 02:35 PM

BronxYanks45

04-23-10, 02:37 PM

actually waiting to see when we DFA Winn

effdamets

04-23-10, 02:41 PM

I'm kinda feeling bad for Winn because he was excited to come to the Yankees to try to FINALLY get to the post season. I don't think he's ever been.

Mark19

04-23-10, 02:44 PM

Thames is proving his weight in gold

Randy Winn is looking like Randy Lose

seems to me we spent $2mil on Winn when we really could have just kept Hoffman or added someone to the 40 man like Jon Weber etc

Rather than spend $2 million on Reed Johnson or $3 million on Nady, we spent $1.2 million on Winn and $800,000 on Thames

Cashman saw it as a value signing

JOBA RULES

04-23-10, 02:49 PM

Winns washed up...DFA

Cool Papa B.

04-23-10, 02:54 PM

I can see Thames staying. But Winn.....I don't think so. Even in Spring training his swings looked off balance and horrible and his bat speed looks just as bad.

NelsonMuntz

04-23-10, 03:08 PM

um, we don't need 13 pitchers when we have CC AJ Andy and, yes, Javy as our 1-4. Winn has to be that crappy 5th OF who hangs out until someone gets hurt or slumps horrifically. He's not going anywhere, because of his versatility. Golson is not better.
While Golson will never be mistaken for Ken Griffey Jr. in his prime, I'm not so sure it's a slam dunk to say he's any worse than Winn at this stage. He's posting a respectable .879 OPS thus far in SWB. SSS I know, but Winn was awful all of last year and does not appear to be getting better with age.

delv

04-23-10, 04:04 PM

There's no need to DFA Winn because he's not hurting the team at all. His existence on this team is really nonconsequential.

If one of our OF goes down, that's something else, but I expect that, in that situation, we'd see his play improve. Let's not forget that he has always been a full-time player prior in his career, so suddenly being the 5th OFer has surely come as a shock.

teknetic

04-23-10, 04:55 PM

I don't know why we need a defensive rep for Swisher anyways. I'd rather have Golson because he looks like he can swipe a bag or two.

themgmt

04-23-10, 04:58 PM

Winns washed up...DFA
http://yanksfansoxfan.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/winn_eb.jpg

JavyVazquezIsSick

04-23-10, 05:09 PM

We should of got Edmonds.

themgmt

04-23-10, 05:11 PM

We should of got Edmonds. http://yanksfansoxfan.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/winn_eb.jpg

ajra21

04-24-10, 06:10 AM

Thames is proving his weight in gold

Randy Winn is looking like Randy Lose

seems to me we spent $2mil on Winn when we really could have just kept Hoffman or added someone to the 40 man like Jon Weber etc

we didn't spend $2m on winn. i believe it was more like $1.2m. hoffman hardy did anything during spring training to be kept around although i generally prefewr taking the younger guy over the older more expensive one. the FO believe that winn's experience and track record was better than hoffman's upside. winn has only had 10 ABs, so i'm not gonna judge him yet however he doesn't seem to have a good approach at the moment.

perhaps he's like sampson and needs his (facial) hair to suceed ...

CommerceComet

04-24-10, 09:12 AM

allow me to add that I'm not (yet) on the "DFA Randy Winn" train, however, if Thames keeps hitting left handed pitching like this, there's no doubt in my mind that Winn's window of opportunity may slam shut on him quickly...I agree that it's too early to DFA Winn. As one who always thought Winn's signing was foolish (privately, I used much stronger language), he deserves a chance to prove himself. With both Gardner and Thames producing, I'm not sure how Girardi is going to find him the opportunities.

mrmike98

04-25-10, 04:37 PM

Thames is a butcher in the field.

Mark19

04-25-10, 04:58 PM

Thames has been, dollar for dollar, the best acquisition of the offseason, who'd a thunk it?

PirateChief

04-25-10, 04:59 PM

By "dollar for dollar" did you mean "gives up lots of runs on defense"

JavyVazquezIsSick

04-25-10, 05:08 PM

Yeah, he gave up more runs today than he scored. It wasn't a good day for Thames.

Mark19

04-25-10, 05:10 PM

He is there to hit, the pitcher is there to keep the booming drives away from leftfield

JavyVazquezIsSick

04-25-10, 05:12 PM

Why does he even play the field then? A mummy could of made that catch. He's been a mess out there all season.

Mark19

04-25-10, 05:15 PM

Why does he even play the field then? A mummy could of made that catch. He's been a mess out there all season.

Because our DH is made of balsa wood, our catcher needs plenty of rest, our backup catcher is obsessed with RBIs and our righty bat off the bench massacres LHP

JavyVazquezIsSick

04-25-10, 05:19 PM

What does that have to do with the fact he's an abortion in the OF and gives up runs when he is out there?

2JAY

04-25-10, 05:19 PM

Why does he even play the field then? A mummy could of made that catch. He's been a mess out there all season.He is a liabilty when he plays the field and should not be allowed to do so.

Mark19

04-25-10, 05:21 PM

What does that have to do with the fact he's an abortion in the OF and gives up runs when he is out there?

The only way he plays then is in place of Johnson -- given Johnson's shortcomings, perhaps he should take a seat a few times a week

JavyVazquezIsSick

04-25-10, 05:24 PM

The only way he plays then is in place of Johnson -- given Johnson's shortcomings, perhaps he should take a seat a few times a week

What exactly are Johnson's shortcomings besides slumping?

Thames is a platoon player, Johnson is not.

Mark19

04-25-10, 05:27 PM

What exactly are Johnson's shortcomings besides slumping?

Thames is a platoon player, Johnson is not.

Johnson is brittle and is struggling to put the ball in play -- walks are fine but you'd like to see him trends towards being a more complete player

Thames is a platoon player, but if he doesn't play the OF a couple of times a week, where does he play? DH? 1B?

Given his XB power against LHP, we can tolerate his shoddy glovework -- especially considering how we tolerated Damon, Sheffield, Matsui, Abreu, Bernie...etc for hundreds of games up until now.

PirateChief

04-25-10, 05:28 PM

His value to the team this year has probably been negative. He's definitely not the "best pickup of the offseason."

2JAY

04-25-10, 05:30 PM

What exactly are Johnson's shortcomings besides slumping?

Thames is a platoon player, Johnson is not.He cannot stay healthy and in a sense, is a platoon player based on the amount of games that he misses.

JavyVazquezIsSick

04-25-10, 05:38 PM

Johnson is brittle and is struggling to put the ball in play -- walks are fine but you'd like to see him trends towards being a more complete player

Thames is a platoon player, but if he doesn't play the OF a couple of times a week, where does he play? DH? 1B?

Given his XB power against LHP, we can tolerate his shoddy glovework -- especially considering how we tolerated Damon, Sheffield, Matsui, Abreu, Bernie...etc for hundreds of games up until now.

That's not a shortcoming in the sense we were referring to. If Johnson can play, he should be playing, this is simple.

I don't really care if Thames gets playing time or not, he's a great bat off the bench, maybe he can be a PH, but if he's giving up runs every game he is being put in the OF, he shouldn't be out there.

Yes, and I didn't want those players out there either, and Damon before last year was very good in the OF, and even last year was better than Thames.

thaa

04-25-10, 06:03 PM

What does that have to do with the fact he's an abortion in the OF and gives up runs when he is out there?

I'm fond of him in the field. He reminds me of myself out there.

kan_t

04-25-10, 06:14 PM

grizy

04-25-10, 06:17 PM

R.V.47

04-25-10, 06:34 PM

I expect Marcus Thames to be a PH or DH against LHP when he was signed. If Girardi put him in the field against LHP, why spend more than $1M to sign Winn, who basically is a 4th OFer now? Hoffmann can do the same job, likely better.

Winn has looked totally overmatched although in a very small amount of ABs. He was also really bad against lefties last year just a 158 hitter. Not sure what his role is on this team like you said but he isnt a suitable replacement against a lefty. Hopefully they just give Gardner a chance to play against lefties.

OldYankeeFan

04-25-10, 06:57 PM

Winn has looked totally overmatched although in a very small amount of ABs. He was also really bad against lefties last year just a 158 hitter. Not sure what his role is on this team I think his role on the team was to be insurance just in case Gardner tanked or if there was an injury to a starting OF he would platoon with Thames and be his late inning replacement. But I agree ...has not been able to catch up to an 88MPH FB.

89FoxBody

04-25-10, 08:31 PM

I agree with the people who say Thames should not be in the OF. He should either be DHing or used as a PH. There's literally no reason for him to be in the OF, ever.

NelsonMuntz

04-25-10, 08:50 PM

His value to the team this year has probably been negative. He's definitely not the "best pickup of the offseason."
Yeah, negative value posting a 288 OPS+. Give me a break.

Bugg

04-26-10, 09:52 AM

NelsonMuntz

04-26-10, 10:40 AM

Thames cannot field very well. He's hardly producing at the plate.

Time for Jesus Montero. Either DL Johnson(surprising, eh?) or cut Thames altogether. Between Winn and Pena we have enough backup outfielders.
In what bizarro baseball universe is a 288 OPS+ "hardly producing at the plate? Thames was signed to mash LHP and that's exactly what he has done.

THEBOSS84

04-26-10, 10:47 AM

Wouldn't He be better suited in RF?

stazsanity

04-26-10, 10:51 AM

Thames has been nothing short of a pleasure to watch while he mashes left handed pitching, but yesterday was a classic example of needing to take the good with the bad... He's a below average outfielder at best. He gets poor reads off the bat, doesn't cover that much ground, and has a slightly below average arm. When he plays, he's playing for offensive reasons and you need to prepare yourself mentally for the idea he may end up hurting you in the field. I get what Girardi was doing yesterday, giving Posada an extended break from behind the plate, but in retrospect, the turning point of the game was Thames's inability to field a fly ball in left that really should've been caught.

mr.roy

04-26-10, 10:55 AM

Right you are. Gardy did get into the game after Kaz was lifted.
Just a little bit too late.
Posada is so much better at the plate when healthy and rested.
Heck, it might even help him behind the plate too.

parkerstrong

04-26-10, 12:08 PM

Thames cannot field very well. He's hardly producing at the plate.

Time for Jesus Montero. Either DL Johnson(surprising, eh?) or cut Thames altogether. Between Winn and Pena we have enough backup outfielders.

Ha ha ha-you are a joke! If .500 and OPS+ of 288 is "hardly producing" then I don't want your opinion on our other hitters....

BTW, Montero is hitting .237 in AAA. No need to rush him to the majors at his young age.

BronxYanks45

04-26-10, 12:54 PM

Thames is doing exactly what we need, hit left handed pitching

he's actually doing better than expected

Yankee Tripper

04-26-10, 12:57 PM

Thames cannot field very well. He's hardly producing at the plate.

Time for Jesus Montero. Either DL Johnson(surprising, eh?) or cut Thames altogether. Between Winn and Pena we have enough backup outfielders.
Thames is a butcher for sure but in what bizzaro world is a .500 / .563 / .827 batting line "hardly producing at the plate"?

CommerceComet

04-26-10, 01:42 PM

Thames is a butcher for sure but in what bizzaro world is a .500 / .563 / .827 batting line "hardly producing at the plate"?No kidding. If Thames kept up this pace for the whole season (and he won't) and had sufficient PAs (and won't get that many), his current OPS would rank second all-time, behind only Barry Bonds' 2004 season. Ahead of any OPS total put up by Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, Ty Cobb, Lou Gehrig, Jimmy Foxx, Joe DiMaggio, Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron....

delv

04-26-10, 08:18 PM

No kidding. If Thames kept up this pace for the whole season (and he won't) and had sufficient PAs (and won't get that many), his current OPS would rank second all-time, behind only Barry Bonds' 2004 season. Ahead of any OPS total put up by Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, Ty Cobb, Lou Gehrig, Jimmy Foxx, Joe DiMaggio, Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron....

this is mind blowing---not the fact thatThames is playing at that level, but the fact Bonds played better, for a whole season.

Bugg

04-27-10, 11:57 AM

this is mind blowing---not the fact thatThames is playing at that level, but the fact Bonds played better, for a whole season.Not opposed to SABR analysis, but this is a really small sample size so far.14 ABs to date is NOTHING. To extrapplate greatness based on that is a little much.

JSG

04-27-10, 12:02 PM

Thames is a butcher for sure but in what bizzaro world is a .500 / .563 / .827 batting line "hardly producing at the plate"?

yeah, he's been better than expected at the plate, and i think he's produced something in every game he's been in. the issue is D. he's flubbed balls in LF each game he's started there, i believe. putting him at DH should be the default move. i don't think it's worth the tradeoff, especially with nick sucking wind at the plate and what we miss sans brett.

CommerceComet

04-27-10, 12:15 PM

Not opposed to SABR analysis, but this is a really small sample size so far.14 ABs to date is NOTHING. To extrapplate greatness based on that is a little much.No one has. Almost every post, has some recognition of the SSS but we can enjoy this incredible offensive productivity while it lasts..

Yankee Fan in Boston

04-27-10, 01:12 PM

Not opposed to SABR analysis, but this is a really small sample size so far.14 ABs to date is NOTHING. To extrapplate greatness based on that is a little much.

Look at the thread -- it was a response to someone who claimed he was "hardly producing at the plate." No one thinks he will keep it up, but he's clearly been productive thus far

THEBOSS84

04-27-10, 01:16 PM

Look at the thread -- it was a response to someone who claimed he was "hardly producing at the plate." No one thinks he will keep it up, but he's clearly been productive thus far

Did you happen to see who was the one who said Thames was "hardly producing at the plate"?

PirateChief

04-27-10, 01:43 PM

Yeah, negative value posting a 288 OPS+. Give me a break.
OPS+? What is this, 2008? If we're going to post OPS+ figures using tiny sample sizes you might want to look at his UZR/150. Disgusting.

NelsonMuntz

04-27-10, 08:19 PM

OPS+? What is this, 2008? If we're going to post OPS+ figures using tiny sample sizes you might want to look at his UZR/150. Disgusting.
Are you serious with this post? :lol:

PirateChief

04-27-10, 08:24 PM

Are you serious with this post? :lol:
What's not serious? OPS+ is not how I would evaluate a player in this sample size. I said he's probably hurt the team more than helped because of his defensive miscues, and you cited a 288 OPS+ in 16 PA. Not sure what's unclear...

NelsonMuntz

04-27-10, 08:25 PM

What's not serious? OPS+ is not how I would evaluate a player in this sample size. I said he's probably hurt the team more than helped because of his defensive miscues, and you cited a 288 OPS+ in 16 PA. Not sure what's unclear...
He's mashing at the plate. What is unclear about that?

PirateChief

04-27-10, 08:26 PM

He's mashing at the plate. What is unclear about that?
And a butcher in the field. Hence, I think he's probably hurt the team more than helped.

Chacon

04-27-10, 08:28 PM

Go away Randy

teknetic

04-27-10, 08:28 PM

:lol:

bigjf

04-27-10, 08:28 PM

What an arm on Randy!

NelsonMuntz

04-27-10, 08:31 PM

Honestly, at this point could Golson really be any worse than Winn?

stazsanity

04-27-10, 08:40 PM

Randy Winn is WORTHLESS. DFA IMMEDIATELY.

JBursch23

04-27-10, 08:42 PM

Randy Winn will be DFA by the All-Star break.

jimmykey2

04-27-10, 08:53 PM

This might sound like a knee jerk reaction, but I never want to see Randy Winn again.

EVER.

In a Yankees uniform or on a baseball diamond playing for another team.

kan_t

04-27-10, 08:53 PM

Cashman's mistake.

themgmt

04-27-10, 08:56 PM

Randy Winn is WORTHLESS. DFA IMMEDIATELY. http://yanksfansoxfan.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/winn_eb.jpg

delv

04-27-10, 09:12 PM

I logged on just to see this thread.

AnA-bombforA-rod

04-27-10, 09:14 PM

You're telling me they couldn't find anyoone better than Randy Winn?

Mark19

04-27-10, 09:16 PM

You're telling me they couldn't find anyoone better than Randy Winn?

As an extra outfielder? unlikely

It is just a shame we have to pay this guy $1.2 million - we could have gotten the exact same skills and production from any one of dozens of AAAA outfielders

TheInfallibleOne

04-27-10, 09:57 PM

I think we can call Randy Winn a bust now. DFA please.

machphantom

04-27-10, 10:00 PM

Will Randy Winn be gone by memorial day?

TheInfallibleOne

04-28-10, 12:14 AM

Will Randy Winn be gone by memorial day?

I want him gone by Cinco de Mayo...

ThePinStripes

04-28-10, 12:30 AM

I'm almost scared to ask. What did I miss.

CokeZero

04-28-10, 01:43 AM

I'm almost scared to ask. What did I miss.
The worst throw in the history of baseball.

bigjf

04-28-10, 09:54 AM

Honestly, at this point could Golson really be any worse than Winn?

Golson, Curtis, Weber, Bernie...anyone but Winn!

CT-Yankee

04-28-10, 09:56 AM

He's not worthless. He had a hit last night! I think Cashman is looking at contract extension

YanksFanTillDeath

04-28-10, 11:14 AM

he made Damon look like Vladi in his prime... jeez

THEBOSS84

04-28-10, 11:22 AM

The worst throw in the history of baseball.

I was thinking the history of the world. Looked like he threw it with his mouth.

delv

04-28-10, 01:32 PM

so... did he trip/catch his foot or something or did he just overthrow into the ground? I couldn't bare to watch the replays. i ran around screaming instead. lol @ Luke Scott scoring from 2nd on a low liner to RF.

Eschie

04-28-10, 01:41 PM

He did slip.... still.

stazsanity

04-28-10, 01:45 PM

he made Damon look like Vladi in his prime... jeez

^This.

I nominte myself for VP of the "DFA Randy Winn, Immediately" club

2JAY

04-28-10, 03:55 PM

Has Winn ever had a good arm?

Tifoso

04-28-10, 03:56 PM

How sad is it that they have to split a thread? :(

Veovis

04-28-10, 04:48 PM

How sad is it that they have to split a thread? :(

Me thinks sooner rather than later Thames will have this thread all to himself.

delv

04-28-10, 04:54 PM

Has Winn ever had a good arm?

actually, he does. better than any of our OFers, probably. Anyways, I hope Winn hits 3 HRs before the team goes back home. The booing will be MERCILESS.

Tifoso

04-28-10, 04:56 PM

Me thinks sooner rather than later Thames will have this thread all to himself.

Excellent point

Mr Coffee

04-28-10, 08:21 PM

During last night's game, I was thinking to myself that Winn's swing reminds me of someone else's, but I couldn't think who.

It was driving me crazy, until his final at-bat when it came to me:

Andy Pettitte.

hellonewman

04-28-10, 08:23 PM

Except that unlike Winn, Pettitte has driven in a run in the World Series.

You just can't predict baseball, Suzyn.

JSG

04-29-10, 01:34 PM

please DH thames tonite (vs LHP matusz), brett in LF. no more OF adventures.

TheGameEpisode2

04-29-10, 01:40 PM

actually, he does. better than any of our OFers, probably. Anyways, I hope Winn hits 3 HRs before the team goes back home. The booing will be MERCILESS.

Why would the fans boo him anyway? A lot of the people who make it to the stadium probably don't even know he's on the team anyway.

delv

04-29-10, 04:23 PM

please DH thames tonite (vs LHP matusz), brett in LF. no more OF adventures.

F that. leave em on the bench and PH him for Curtis if necessary. that was the original plan anyways

roblyo33

04-29-10, 04:30 PM

F that. leave em on the bench and PH him for Curtis if necessary. that was the original plan anyways

Marcus is DHing and batting 6th tonite.

delv

04-29-10, 04:49 PM

*Pours out some liquor for NJ*

parkerstrong

04-29-10, 06:44 PM

F that. leave em on the bench and PH him for Curtis if necessary. that was the original plan anyways

I have to disagree.....with how Thames has been hitting he needs to play against any left-handed pitcher. I am happy to see he isnt in the OF though

jcarey

04-29-10, 07:10 PM

thames looks like tracy jordan.

ThePinStripes

04-29-10, 08:09 PM

Marcus is DHing and batting 6th tonite.

Wasn't Ortiz in the 6-hole too? ;)

Oh wait, it's because our #1-5 hitters are all potential all stars and/or near 400 OBP :D

parkerstrong

04-29-10, 09:13 PM

Wasn't Ortiz in the 6-hole too? ;)

Oh wait, it's because our #1-5 hitters are all potential all stars and/or near 400 OBP :D

Well.....not really. A-Rod is at .340, Tex .292.....really only 3 regular guys are over .375 (Johnson .385, Gardner .386, and Cano .444). All I know is Girardi is crazy if Thames doesn't play anytime we face a lefty

Yankee Tripper

04-29-10, 09:32 PM

.588 not his SLG - his AVE:eek:

heyabbott

04-29-10, 09:41 PM

please DH thames tonite (vs LHP matusz), brett in LF. no more OF adventures.
good call

NelsonMuntz

04-29-10, 10:17 PM

Raking.

just-blaze

04-29-10, 11:29 PM

Might as well delete the Randy Winn part.

Rocketman

04-29-10, 11:36 PM

Might as well delete the Randy Winn part.

I sincerely hope they do. That guy sucks at defense and offense and he isn't even fast anymore.

dabomb2045

04-29-10, 11:39 PM

He just rakes against lefties. Didnt like the signing at first (wanted Reed Johnson) but if he kills lefties all season....then I cant argue w/it. Just have to hope his defense doesnt hurt you in the games he plays.

delv

04-29-10, 11:43 PM

I sincerely hope they do. That guy sucks at defense and offense and he isn't even fast anymore.

That poor throw aside, this isn't true at all. He helped preserve Phil's no-hit bid, if you recall, with a play ranging into CF. And he does have above avg speed, still.

grizy

04-30-10, 02:07 AM

With Gardner starting full time in LF, Winn is our best pinch runner now.

Second best is Pena.

Alan Slocum

04-30-10, 04:17 AM

With Gardner starting full time in LF, Winn is our best pinch runner now.

Second best is Pena.
You got some kind of stat that causes you to say Winn (2010 version) is a better pinch runner than Pena? The Golson kid is far better than either.

JSG

04-30-10, 07:07 AM

That guy sucks at defense and offense and he isn't even fast anymore.

perhaps, but who else looks so much like bernie williams ?? that's gotta count for something.

mr.roy

04-30-10, 07:22 AM

Memories.

Tehasguard

04-30-10, 10:40 AM

I actually like Randy Winn, his lack of playing time isn't his own fault imo...

I say we keep this guy, besides who else is there to put on the bench that is a clear upgrade...

Yankee Tripper

04-30-10, 11:18 AM

I actually like Randy Winn, his lack of playing time isn't his own fault imo...

I liked the signing at the time and don't mind him as our 5th OF right now but his lack of playing time is clearly his own fault. He had a piss poor 75 OPS last year, a bad spring and a dreadful 1/13 start with 5 K and 0 BB this year. Hard to see where he's forcing his way into the lineup.

BronxYanks45

04-30-10, 12:16 PM

OldYankeeFan

04-30-10, 12:29 PM

Thames is proving his worth every AB vs lefties. Winn on the other had isnt hitting and his defense isnt what it used to be. Seems to me we could have just went with one of the OF's from SWB in place of Winn.

$1.1m seems alot for someone who wil turn out to be only a pinch runnerHe was insurance in case either Garder failed or there was an injury to a starting OF. But the way Gardner started and the way Thames is hitting, the money is already comitted so he'll be a benchwarmer/pinch runner/definsive replacement for Thames should he be allowed to play the field.

I no longer even consider him a defensive replacement for Swisher. From what I've seen I'd much rather Nick out there in the late innings.

Yankee Tripper

04-30-10, 01:08 PM

He was insurance in case either Garder failed or there was an injury to a starting OF. But the way Gardner started and the way Thames is hitting, the money is already comitted so he'll be a benchwarmer/pinch runner/definsive replacement for Thames should he be allowed to play the field.

I no longer even consider him a defensive replacement for Swisher. From what I've seen I'd much rather Nick out there in the late innings.

Yeah that was it. Gardner was far from a sure thing coming into this year and Winn was the fall back since he'd started 140+ games for each of past 10 years or so. Also Winn ranked as one of the best defensive RF in the game the past few seasons so I wouldn't write off his defense just yet based on handful of innings this year.

Winn's URZ/150-RF 2009 +16.9 - 770 innings
Winn's URZ/150-RF 2008 +21.7 - 1108 innings

JSG

04-30-10, 02:01 PM

vs 2 LHPs sat and sun, danks and buehrle. maybe thames DH sat, nick tonite and sun.

TheInfallibleOne

04-30-10, 05:58 PM

I think Winn is holding back the ceiling of the thread, and thats not fair to Thames.

Come on Cash, let him go and bring up a kid that could use a shot.

delv

04-30-10, 06:04 PM

after 13 PAs

parkerstrong

05-01-10, 02:38 PM

0-1 BB off of Danks....1-1 (so far) off of righty reliever. Thames is on FIRE

Winn will get his chance with Granderson hurt.....

ajra21

05-02-10, 03:07 AM

Yeah that was it. Gardner was far from a sure thing coming into this year and Winn was the fall back since he'd started 140+ games for each of past 10 years or so. Also Winn ranked as one of the best defensive RF in the game the past few seasons so I wouldn't write off his defense just yet based on handful of innings this year.

Winn's URZ/150-RF 2009 +16.9 - 770 innings
Winn's URZ/150-RF 2008 +21.7 - 1108 innings

totally. for me, winn becomes the starting left fielder with thames getting at-bats against the starting lefties. winn has been an every day player for some time, thames has never been that. thames is raking right now but i doubt he keeps this level of production up. over exposure is not a good thing for a guy who has never really held down a major league job.

mr.roy

05-02-10, 07:36 AM

Winn is going to have to show why he is on this team. Hopefully more playing time will find him and the team positive results.

Seems like he going to have an uphill battle. Looks like he'll go 3 or 4 weeks. Time to show he can contribute. If he plays the way he has been he won't be making many friends on this board.

delv

05-02-10, 07:48 AM

If he plays the way he has been he won't be making many friends on this board.

He'll be alright. He's a millionaire.

mr.roy

05-02-10, 08:12 AM

NelsonMuntz

05-02-10, 08:57 AM

You can only buy this group off with wins and championships.

13 AB and I think I've read that some want him DFA already. :lol:

I, myself shouldn't be shocked that the Yankees don't have anyone in the farm system that is younger and just as good worth taking a chance on. Should I?

AJ is spilled milk.
It's not based solely on 13 AB. He was dreadful all of last season and is not getting better with age. Winn = black hole in the lineup.

ieddyi

05-02-10, 10:02 AM

It's not based solely on 13 AB. He was dreadful all of last season and is not getting better with age. Winn = black hole in the lineup.

His AB's have been totally awful- not even close

mr.roy

05-02-10, 10:23 AM

Not all 13. He does have 1 hit. ;)

Above points have been acknowledged.
For now though, the Yankees are willing to give him the playing time until Grandy gets better.
Winn is going to have a chance to prove his worth.

If the Yankees can keep playing the level of baseball (winning games) they have been with Winn/Thames in the lineup for the foreseeable future, then I don't think the Yankees will dump him overbaord.

JSG

05-02-10, 10:47 AM

randy winn in LF ...... serenity now ...........

in the alternative:

thames in LF ......... serenity now ..........

grizy

05-02-10, 12:16 PM

NelsonMuntz

05-02-10, 12:31 PM

delv

05-02-10, 01:07 PM

He played regularly last year to the tune of a 75 OPS+. Decline due to age happens.

also had a career high LD%

NelsonMuntz

05-02-10, 03:00 PM

Thames with a nice defensive play today.

BronxYanks45

05-02-10, 07:36 PM

Thames with a nice defensive play today.

yea wish he got a hit but went 0-4. Hate to see that awesome avg vs lefties lower. The fear alone was worth its weight in gold.

JSG

05-02-10, 07:37 PM

Thames with a nice defensive play today.

yes, hopefully he can keep this up and spend more time in the OF, keeping winn for late D most of the time.

ajra21

05-03-10, 04:30 AM

Thames with a nice defensive play today.

yeah, although for many other left-fielders, they'd have caught it standing up.

NelsonMuntz

05-03-10, 10:00 AM

yeah, although for many other left-fielders, they'd have caught it standing up.
lol, ajra, of all people you're the last I would have expected to put a negative spin on something positive ;)

Yankee Tripper

05-03-10, 10:43 AM

Get Randy Winn some ABs and see if he can get to his career average switch hitting .750 self with + defense with more regular playing time.

If he can do that, we'll be in good shape.

If not, Randy Winn is probably gonna get DFAed before all star.
Agree - he'll get some PT to see if his swing comes around and if not it'll be bye, bye Randy.

He played regularly last year to the tune of a 75 OPS+. Decline due to age happens.

This may very well be but he posted over 100 OPS+ in both 2007 & 2008 so I'm willing to give him a few weeks while Granderson in on the DL.

I like Thames against lefties but his offense against righties isn't enough to overcome his glove.

OldYankeeFan

05-03-10, 10:47 AM

Agree - he'll get some PT to see if his swing comes around and if not it'll be bye, bye Randy.

This may very well be but he posted over 100 OPS+ in both 2007 & 2008 so I'm willing to give him a few weeks while Granderson in on the DL.

I like Thames against lefties but his offense against righties isn't enough to overcome his glove.I agree and would guess it'll start out as a LF platoon.

ajra21

05-03-10, 12:20 PM

lol, ajra, of all people you're the last I would have expected to put a negative spin on something positive ;)

when it comes to defense i expect better.

Mark19

05-03-10, 06:45 PM

I thought Randy would be a marginally useful player off the bench, as a semi-regular, he might get badly exposed

delv

05-03-10, 07:04 PM

^thinking the opposite

hellonewman

05-03-10, 07:22 PM

Knows how to Winn. :eek:

stazsanity

05-03-10, 07:23 PM

At least for the duration of the evening, I officially resign as the VP of "DFA Randy Winn"

NYYDragoon

05-03-10, 07:24 PM

I thought Randy would be a marginally useful player off the bench, as a semi-regular, he might get badly exposedWell not with Guthrie.

flymick24

05-03-10, 07:25 PM

nosferatu strikes again!

parkerstrong

05-03-10, 07:25 PM

Nice to see him contribute. He will play against any righty until Granderson is back and I hope it continues.

Mr Coffee

05-03-10, 07:27 PM

And to think after his first at-bat I was thinking to myself "I should have stuck with baseball-- if this guy can play in the pros with that f'ing swing, surely I had a shot."

Well done, Winn.

grizy

05-03-10, 08:42 PM

We might have to split this thread soon.

That was a shot.

merrytexmas

05-03-10, 08:44 PM

WTG Randy!

JSG

05-03-10, 09:17 PM

nosferatu strikes again!

that's too much. he really is the love child of nosferatu and bernie williams !!

flymick24

05-03-10, 09:18 PM

i heard him being interviewed on YES after the game... the most bizarre thing is that he actually SOUNDS like bernie too

Mark19

05-03-10, 09:31 PM

An older story about Marcus Thames, his family and his background

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/22/sports/baseball/22thames.html?pagewanted=print

A good read

JSG

05-03-10, 09:37 PM

A good read

yeah, thanks. i saw him in a pregame interview w kim jones, he seems like a very solid dude. cheers

TheInfallibleOne

05-03-10, 09:40 PM

Still want him out by Cinco de Mayo, because after tonight I think he's "used up" all his value for the year. Were never going to get another productive swing from him again, might as well cut him now!

The Q Bomb

05-03-10, 09:40 PM

And to think after his first at-bat I was thinking to myself "I should have stuck with baseball-- if this guy can play in the pros with that f'ing swing, surely I had a shot."

Jeez! How good can you guys expect a guy to hit when he plays once in 20 days? This is remeniscent of the Joe Torre days, when bench players would get into a game (not even start) twice a month - if they were lucky.

delv

05-03-10, 09:56 PM

^thinking the opposite

I just wanna add that I posted this before the HR. +1 for rational posting

jimmykey2

05-03-10, 10:07 PM

This might sound like a knee jerk reaction, but I never want to see Randy Winn again.

EVER.

In a Yankees uniform or on a baseball diamond playing for another team.

What I meant to say was we needed to be patient because this guy is an experienced player. Sooner or later he's going to make a big play.

Yeah... that's what I meant.

JSG

05-03-10, 10:08 PM

Jeez! How good can you guys expect a guy to hit when he plays once in 20 days? This is remeniscent of the Joe Torre days, when bench players would get into a game (not even start) twice a month - if they were lucky.

i might give him another start tomorrow nite in LF, DH thames vs LHP matusz.

dabomb2045

05-03-10, 10:53 PM

He's gonna get a chance to play alot the next month. Lets hope we see more stuff like tonight.

The great Yanks teams always found guys who stepped up when a starter was out....for example, I think back to 1998 and it was Chad Curtis who played everyday for awhile when Bernie was out for several weeks....and he did a fabulous job.

Hopefully Winn can provide a similar spark.

bigjf

05-03-10, 10:59 PM

Welcome to the team, Randy.

Is it about time to give these two guys separate threads?

flymick24

05-03-10, 11:04 PM

not until ramiro pena gets one

merrytexmas

05-03-10, 11:16 PM

http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=123255

flymick24

05-03-10, 11:32 PM

split em up!

ajra21

05-04-10, 07:57 AM

nah, keep them together. i doubt they play at the same time that much over the coming months.

JSG

05-04-10, 08:04 AM

nah, keep them together. i doubt they play at the same time that much over the coming months.

i would do it tonite !!

delv

05-07-10, 08:13 PM

Good D, good O.

JSG

05-07-10, 11:26 PM

winn really looked atrocious early on, possibly toastified, but he's added solid value the last few games.

mr.roy

05-08-10, 08:18 AM

Agreed. Perhaps more playing time is all he really needed.

AnA-bombforA-rod

05-08-10, 08:30 AM

Nice job by Randy lately. And I thought Marcus had a homerun tonight, looked like he crushed it, wrong part of the ballpark I guess.

ieddyi

05-08-10, 09:12 AM

winn really looked atrocious early on, possibly toastified, but he's added solid value the last few games.

He's got that hitch in his swing- hard to imagine how he can catch up to a good FB

JSG

05-08-10, 10:36 AM

He's got that hitch in his swing- hard to imagine how he can catch up to a good FB

it is an odd swing ........ a hitch and kind of a chop !!

Mr Coffee

05-08-10, 10:38 AM

It's only a hitch when he's striking out.

When he's hitting, it's a timing mechanism.

mr.roy

05-08-10, 04:51 PM

I have to amit he's getting better, a little better all the time. ;)

Most of us know the next line.

Lucci

05-09-10, 08:25 PM

Has Marcus caught a ball in left field this year?

StatenIslandYankee

05-09-10, 08:31 PM

Can we waive Thames?

2JAY

05-09-10, 08:31 PM

Thames is just absolutely brutal playing as an OFer.

PirateChief

05-09-10, 08:32 PM

I was rooting for him to get ejected, lol

SLURPEE

05-09-10, 08:34 PM

Why the hell couldn't Thames get thrown out? Ugh

2JAY

05-09-10, 08:54 PM

Thames looks like he is playing LF wearing ice-skates.

just-blaze

05-09-10, 11:51 PM

I was rooting for him to get ejected, lol

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Me, three.

flymick24

05-10-10, 12:07 AM

whenever thames puts on a glove, puppies explode in china

ieddyi

05-10-10, 05:57 AM

whenever thames puts on a glove, puppies explode in china

Really

I hope his bat dies so that they realize that he should never play the field

DH or PH only

Veovis

05-10-10, 06:28 AM

Hm. I kinda hope his bat stays alive so the Yankees keep beating up on lefties.

JSG

05-10-10, 06:58 AM

Thames looks like he is playing LF wearing ice-skates.

it looked like he'd been drinking. he's misplayed balls in every game he's been in LF. girardi wanted to double down on the O, and small LF in fenway, i thought the gamble made sense here, but this move clearly cost a bunch of runs.

kan_t

05-10-10, 07:00 AM

it looked like he'd been drinking. he's misplayed balls in every game he's been in LF. girardi wanted to double down on the O, and small LF in fenway, i thought the gamble made sense here, but this move clearly cost a bunch of runs.
Although Fenway LF is small, it's exactly not an easy place to field.

JSG

05-10-10, 07:02 AM

Although Fenway LF is small, it's exactly not an easy place to field.

i was using the rule, if manny can do it, anyone can do it, but the wind was a big factor last nite.

JSG

05-10-10, 07:42 AM

we go vs another LHP tonite. i assume posada C, winn LF and thames DH. thames in LF @ comerica !!!! ..... can't happen .......

Mr Coffee

05-10-10, 08:41 AM

i was using the rule, if manny can do it, anyone can do it, but the wind was a big factor last nite.

It seemed like the wind was only swirling around Thames.

Kind of like Pigpen from Peanuts.

justtxyank

05-10-10, 08:43 AM

i was using the rule, if manny can do it, anyone can do it, but the wind was a big factor last nite.

To be fair, Manny couldn't at first. After what, 5 years he got to be good at it?

THEBOSS84

05-10-10, 08:55 AM

mr.roy

05-10-10, 08:58 AM

Thames was a disaster last night, and basically every other time he's been in LF. I'd like to see Winn get more playing time, even if it means he'd have to face some LHP. His defense is THAT much better.

It's starting to look that way, and I don't want to see anymore.
I think his defense will cost more than his offense will help.

JSG

05-10-10, 09:05 AM

Thames was a disaster last night, and basically every other time he's been in LF. I'd like to see Winn get more playing time, even if it means he'd have to face some LHP. His defense is THAT much better.

right, flip a coin and let thames or jorge DH. the LF experiment has failed. butchery in 3 of i think 4 games.

Mr Coffee

05-10-10, 09:06 AM

When's Granderson coming back?

JSG

05-10-10, 09:08 AM

When's Granderson coming back?

no idea, but they said circa one month when he went down, so maybe late may or more likely early june ??

mr.roy

05-10-10, 09:08 AM

When's Granderson coming back?

It's one of those......... hard tellin', not knowin' injuries.

Mr Coffee

05-10-10, 09:09 AM

Hopefully he's not being treated by Reyes' doctors.

NelsonMuntz

05-10-10, 09:48 AM

To be fair, Manny couldn't at first. After what, 5 years he got to be good at it?
Exactly. Thames' defense is suspect to begin with. Putting him in LF on a windy night in Fenway Park was probably not the best decision by Girardi. Certainly not a fireable offense though. I can understand wanting his bat in the lineup against a tough lefty like Lester. Hopefully he is DH'ing today.

JSG

05-10-10, 01:14 PM

It seemed like the wind was only swirling around Thames.

Kind of like Pigpen from Peanuts.

yeah, it did kind of look like he brought his portable wind tunnel with him !!

teknetic

05-10-10, 08:15 PM

Can we not have Thames hit against a RHP ever again?

SLURPEE

05-10-10, 08:28 PM

How did he go from "bat off the bench" to he has to play vs lefty's?

All I heard during ST was he was going to be a right handed bat off the bench.
Now he's vs lefty's/platoon player.

And it's not like this team has trouble vs left handed pitching that they NEED to play him.

Michael Dorbuck

05-10-10, 08:30 PM

Actually I don't think Thames has been overall in his career all that great hitting against lefties as far as batting average goes. He has hit them for some power though. He definately hasn't killed lefties like some people might believe.You definately don't want him batting against righties in key spots but with the Yankees short bench, they don't have any other options right now. At best he needs to be a dh strictly against lefties. It is too risky to play him in the field because I don't think he will hit enough to overcome his defensive shortcomings. Anyway I think he is a player, based on his career stats, even if he bats only against lefties, that the more he plays the more he will be exposed.

PirateChief

05-10-10, 08:32 PM

263/.337/.522/.858 is the line. So he doesn't get on base at a good rate but does hit for some power.

JDPNYY

05-10-10, 08:33 PM