View Full Version : The Randy Winn & Marcus Thames Performance Thread
PirateChief
05-18-10, 11:36 PM
Randy Winn = Coma since 1983
its the new meme
bomber999
05-18-10, 11:36 PM
Just for once I'd like to see a smart, articulate troll.
That was as smart and articulate as Boston fans tend to come.
PWNYANKEES
05-18-10, 11:37 PM
A homeless mexican's Unborn child could of made that catch for 900,000 hahaha
Mr Coffee
05-18-10, 11:37 PM
I think I know who the troll is-- it's that dude from Memento who can't remember anything that happened more than 20 minutes ago.
PWNYANKEES
05-18-10, 11:38 PM
................ Boston There Just As Bad If Not Worse Than You Guys Are Im Going To There Forumn Next To Rag On There Shortstop Hahahaha Both Team Suck In My Book Buddie Dont Get It Twisted Bitch.
b-ball-lunachick
05-18-10, 11:39 PM
at least thames had the decency to walk... winn looks like a turd holding a baseball bat right now (and i'm sorry if i'm offending any turds by saying this)
:lol:
Miss Yvonne
05-18-10, 11:39 PM
Tons of misspellings? Check.
Bizarre capitalizations? Check.
Random use of ellipses and always with too many periods? Check.
Way too many exclamation marks? Check.
Content nothing at all to write home about? Check.
Why can't a troll ever be smart, take good, clean shots and do so in an articulate manner? Why do they all read from the same Bad English Usage manual and share the same low-IQ brain?
Such a disappointment.
Mr Coffee
05-18-10, 11:41 PM
Tons of misspellings? Check.
Bizarre capitalizations? Check.
Random use of ellipses and always with too many periods? Check.
Way too many exclamation marks? Check.
Content nothing at all to write home about? Check.
Why can't a troll ever be smart, take good, clean shots and do so in an articulate manner? Why do they all read from the same Bad English Usage manual and share the same low-IQ brain?
Such a disappointment.
I think he's on his way to troll dictionary.com next.
b-ball-lunachick
05-18-10, 11:42 PM
Even the trolls suck in this thread.
at least he has some fire...looks more alive than Winn...
Miss Yvonne
05-18-10, 11:42 PM
That was as smart and articulate as Boston fans tend to come.
I know that was a joke, but we know that's not true. I know quite a few really smart, articulate Sox fans.
Again, why do so many trolls have the same problem with the English language? It's not that hard if so many people use it properly.
Anyway, I never want to see Randy Winn up in a high-leverage AB again. I don't care who's hurt. Wheel the better player to the plate if necessary.
PinstripesintheBronx
05-18-10, 11:43 PM
Im gonna hold a candle light vigil that I see Posada and Swisher in the line up tomorrow for the rays game
Miss Yvonne
05-18-10, 11:44 PM
I think he's on his way to troll dictionary.com next.
Why? It would only confuse him, not to mention his mother with whom he just tried to hook up.
bomber999
05-18-10, 11:44 PM
................ Boston There Just As Bad If Not Worse Than You Guys Are Im Going To There Forumn Next To Rag On There Shortstop Hahahaha Both Team Suck In My Book Buddie Dont Get It Twisted Bitch.
Dude look at the standings in the AL East you really should before you write a stupid uninformed post which is a run on sentence without punctuation or words spelled correctly you should be very proud of yourself
PWNYANKEES
05-18-10, 11:44 PM
iTS a dIsAPpOIntMeNt tHaT your TeAm sUxS.The funny thing is your probally the big ugly troll that eats 3 of those 10 dollar hot dogs and 5 of those 20 dollar beers ,AND THINKS HER IQ IS HIGHER but still watches and pays for players who cant catch a flyout..
ADD RELISH AND ONIONS.
dabomb2045
05-18-10, 11:45 PM
Im gonna hold a candle light vigil that I see Posada and Swisher in the line up tomorrow for the rays game
Has anyone seen Posada lately? I seriously think he might have been kidnapped or possibly even abducted by a UFO. I did see Swisher in the dugout so apparently he's still on the team....I guess.
Miss Yvonne
05-18-10, 11:45 PM
Yup, it's Nathan.
NYYDragoon
05-18-10, 11:46 PM
Has anyone seen Posada lately? I seriously think he might have been kidnapped or possibly even abducted by a UFO. I did see Swisher in the dugout so apparently he's still on the team....I guess.He's got to be really banged up if he couldn't even pinch hit tonight.
Personally, I am very excited to see this tandem against the Rays. Should be loads of fun. Sprinkle in a little Marte here and a Robertson there and it should be a fun several days of baseball!
bomber999
05-18-10, 11:47 PM
I know that was a joke, but we know that's not true. I know quite a few really smart, articulate Sox fans.
Again, why do so many trolls have the same problem with the English language? It's not that hard if so many people use it properly.
Anyway, I never want to see Randy Winn up in a high-leverage AB again. I don't care who's hurt. Wheel the better player to the plate if necessary.
Of course I was joking. I have never had any problems with Sox fans, even at Fenway. I'm just not in a very charitable mood tonight with Joba and Girardi's ineptitude and idiotic trolls posting garbage.
PWNYANKEES
05-18-10, 11:47 PM
Whos Nathan hahahaha Big Bitch
dabomb2045
05-18-10, 11:47 PM
He's got to be really banged up if he couldn't even pinch hit tonight.
DL him then. Swisher too. If they cant even pinch-hit then why are they active? At this point I'd rather give the roster spots to someone from AAA....maybe someone down there could actually be more productive then Randy Winn's corpse.
NYYDragoon
05-18-10, 11:47 PM
Of course I was joking. I have never had any problems with Sox fans, even at Fenway. I'm just not in a very charitable mood tonight with Joba and Girardi's ineptitude and idiotic trolls posting garbage.Ignore them; they'll be RO'd come morning.
PinstripesintheBronx
05-18-10, 11:48 PM
Has anyone seen Posada lately? I seriously think he might have been kidnapped or possibly even abducted by a UFO. I did see Swisher in the dugout so apparently he's still on the team....I guess.
I saw him yesterday but no sign of him today.
Swisher should have batted right handed I don't care. anything over winn is a plus
themgmt
05-18-10, 11:49 PM
Ignore them; they'll be RO'd come morning.
Will this work on Winn too?
PWNYANKEES
05-18-10, 11:49 PM
AL East
1.Rays-73,000,000
2.Yankees-209,000,000
thats all you should know
NYYDragoon
05-18-10, 11:50 PM
Will this work on Winn too?Don't get greedy.
TheGameEpisode2
05-18-10, 11:51 PM
The only thing worse than Winn's swing is a very bad troll.
bomber999
05-18-10, 11:51 PM
AL East
1.Rays-73,000,000
2.Yankees-209,000,000
thats all you should know
Weren't you going to the Sox site about 15 minutes ago to rag on their shortstop?
PWNYANKEES
05-18-10, 11:51 PM
ive been very very bad troll havent i.
NYYDragoon
05-18-10, 11:51 PM
Weren't you going to the Sox site about 15 minutes ago to rag on their shortstop?Dude, let it go. Seriously. You're just giving it what it wants.
dabomb2045
05-18-10, 11:52 PM
The only thing worse than Winn's swing is a very bad troll.
Troll > Randy Winn
bomber999
05-18-10, 11:52 PM
Dude, let it go. Seriously. You're just giving it what it wants.
Fair point.
Mr Coffee
05-18-10, 11:52 PM
His swing can't be any uglier.
Weren't you going to the Sox site about 15 minutes ago to rag on their shortstop?
Can we not feed this clown. The Yanks won it all last year, have 27 titles, and the Sox spent a ton more than either Tampa or Toronto yet are behind both by quite a bit. Really, there is nothing to be said by the other side right now.
Miss Yvonne
05-18-10, 11:53 PM
Of course I was joking. I have never had any problems with Sox fans, even at Fenway. I'm just not in a very charitable mood tonight with Joba and Girardi's ineptitude and idiotic trolls posting garbage.
I hear you.
The only thing that bugs me about the troll in this thread is that he's such a disappointment. There's even incorrect use of apostrophes, and I've already noticed a there/they're error. What is going on with the American educational system? And to think my taxes are going to pay for his welfare and food stamps.
PWNYANKEES
05-18-10, 11:53 PM
Okay ill leave to let you guys whimper over the fact YALL LOST.
................ all in A-Rods Mouth -OUT.
Miss Yvonne
05-18-10, 11:55 PM
Can we not feed this clown. The Yanks won it all last year, have 27 titles, and the Sox spent a ton more than either Tampa or Toronto yet are behind both by quite a bit. Really, there is nothing to be said by the other side right now.
Here's something...the Yankees are 11 games over .500 and Boston is even.
Here's something...the Yankees are 11 games over .500 and Boston is even.
The stats are endless in the Yankees favor. This is why the other side can only talk trash. They have nothing else.
His swing can't be any uglier.
I cringed. His swing was just awful. :(
I thought maybe there was a glimmer of hope. At least, in another tie. I kind of expected another inning.
The Yankees HAVE TO do something about Thames and not letting him play the field. For all the good that he does with the bat, it is almost being cancelled out by the bad he does with the glove.
NYYDragoon
05-18-10, 11:59 PM
I cringed. His swing was just awful. :(
I thought maybe there was a glimmer of hope. At least, in another tie. I kind of expected another inning.I didn't. After his first swing and miss I figured it was over. He looked simply overmatched.
bomber999
05-19-10, 12:00 AM
The Yankees HAVE TO do something about Thames and not letting him play the field. For all the good that he does with the bat, it is almost being cancelled out by the bad he does with the glove.
Bad defense kills teams.
jimmykey2
05-19-10, 12:03 AM
Winn's line is now 196/293/294.
flymick24
05-19-10, 12:05 AM
he swings like he has AIDS
dabomb2045
05-19-10, 12:06 AM
I'd rather have a pitcher pinch-hit then see Winn hit
NYYRules#1
05-19-10, 12:08 AM
Just get Winn off this team. Just have mercy on all of us and get him far, far away from here. Like San Diego. Or Seattle with all the other washed up guys. Just not in the Bronx.
ring403
05-19-10, 12:09 AM
iTS a dIsAPpOIntMeNt tHaT your TeAm sUxS.The funny thing is your probally the big ugly troll that eats 3 of those 10 dollar hot dogs and 5 of those 20 dollar beers ,AND THINKS HER IQ IS HIGHER but still watches and pays for players who cant catch a flyout..
ADD RELISH AND ONIONS.This is why you shouldn't marry your sister. When your family tree looks like a telephone pole, this is what you get.
Mr Coffee
05-19-10, 12:09 AM
Just get Winn off this team. Just have mercy on all of us and get him far, far away from here. Like San Diego. Or Seattle with all the other washed up guys. Just not in the Bronx.
He should definitely be dealt within the division.
NYYDragoon
05-19-10, 12:10 AM
He should definitely be dealt within the division.So the Os?
I didn't. After his first swing and miss I figured it was over. He looked simply overmatched.
I had a tiny glimmer of hope. I can't help it. :(
THEBOSS84
05-19-10, 12:10 AM
I'd rather have a pitcher pinch-hit then see Winn hit
If CC wasn't the starter tonight and Joe pinch hit him for Winn...
I probably would tell my kids about it.
flymick24
05-19-10, 12:11 AM
his batting stance looks like he has scoliosis and he swings like a scarecrow on crack
Mr Coffee
05-19-10, 12:11 AM
If CC wasn't the starter tonight and Joe pinch hit him for Winn...
I probably would tell my kids about it.
Vasquez was available.
dabomb2045
05-19-10, 12:12 AM
If CC wasn't the starter tonight and Joe pinch hit him for Winn...
I probably would tell my kids about it.
I would have went with Andy. He had a RBI double vs Florida last year, and that RBI single in Game 3 vs Philly. More production then Winn could ever have.
Miss Yvonne
05-19-10, 12:13 AM
He should definitely be dealt within the division.
:lol:
dabomb2045
05-19-10, 12:13 AM
his batting stance looks like he has scoliosis and he swings like a scarecrow on crack
I would like to nominate this as one of the best posts on NYYFans I've ever seen. Bravo.
Miss Yvonne
05-19-10, 12:13 AM
his batting stance looks like he has scoliosis and he swings like a scarecrow on crack
:lol:
Oh wow...that's funny because it's true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Winn
As a Yankee, he is well known for NOT coming through in situations with RISP. Most notably on May 18th, 2010 against the Boston Red Sox, when he left runners on 2cnd and 3rd in the bottom of the 9th with 2 outs and his team down by one.
OK. Which one of you guys edited his Wiki page? :lol:
themgmt
05-19-10, 12:14 AM
Wow, flymick is killing me right now.
dabomb2045
05-19-10, 12:14 AM
Not me. If it was me, I would have edited it to show that he died in 2007.
Not me. If it was me, I would have edited it to show that he died in 2007.
:lol:
Sorry. Boredom drives me to Google.
Not me. If it was me, I would have edited it to show that he died in 2007.
:-werd-::roflmao:
Yet for all the anger directed at Winn, it should have never even come down to him batting in the bottom of the 9th. The Yankees were their own worst enemy tonight and they totally blew a game that they should have won.
NYYRules#1
05-19-10, 12:18 AM
I had a tiny glimmer of hope. I can't help it. :(
I was hoping he'd get pegged. I knew that was our best shot of getting it to Jeter. An FB right to the ass - one he couldn't dodge.
Yet for all the anger directed at Winn, it should have never even come down to him batting in the bottom of the 9th. The Yankees were their own worst enemy tonight and they totally blew a game that they should have won.
Oh, I'm not completely pissed at Winn. I agree with you. The Yankees should have won this game. Those errors didn't help.
I was hoping he'd get pegged. I knew that was our best shot of getting it to Jeter. An FB right to the ass - one he couldn't dodge.
I hate agreeing with you, but yeah, I hoped Winn would get hit. Once he made the second strike, I hoped he'd get hit and Jeter would make the hit to tie up or win the game. Then again, Jeter's been kind of off too.
SLURPEE
05-19-10, 12:19 AM
Are the Yankees contradicting themselves?
Pena is on the roster for defense right? We all know he has no bat. If the Yankees cared so much about back up defense, then why was Thames signed?
Why isn't Golston here to backup? You can't be sending down Golston when Posada and Swisher can't even pinch hit.
And if you're going to have Thames play outfield and you KNOW he sucks than why the heck is Kevin Russo not up here? He plays outfield some. Is he worst than Thames or something? If find that hard to believe...
themgmt
05-19-10, 12:19 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/touchingbase/300_winn.JPG
NYYDragoon
05-19-10, 12:20 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/touchingbase/300_winn.JPGThanks for the nightmares.
dabomb2045
05-19-10, 12:20 AM
I really put tonight on Joba....and Winn deciding that he wanted to play 3B instead of LF in the 9th.
flymick24
05-19-10, 12:22 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/touchingbase/300_winn.JPG
should've know... rapists never get game-winning hits
I really put tonight on Joba....and Winn deciding that he wanted to play 3B instead of LF in the 9th.
No question Joba gets most of the blame. However, since he has some chits in the bank (although dwindling fast) and Winn has nothing but debt, he is an extremely easy target.
NYYRules#1
05-19-10, 12:23 AM
Right now, his lookalike, 41 year old Bernie Williams, could probably get more hits going up there with his guitar and using that as a bat.
Oy.
IronCaballo4
05-19-10, 12:23 AM
his batting stance looks like he has scoliosis and he swings like a scarecrow on crack
LOL awesome :lol:
Right now, his lookalike, 41 year old Bernie Williams, could probably get more hits going up there with his guitar and using that as a bat.
:lol:
dabomb2045
05-19-10, 12:25 AM
I think Randy Winn would go 0-4 with 3 K's in a t-ball game. Little 7-year old Joey would make him look bad by going 4-4 with 3 doubles and a triple.
flymick24
05-19-10, 12:29 AM
you're wrong... he'd have 4K's
dabomb2045
05-19-10, 12:30 AM
you're wrong... he'd have 4K's
I was gonna give him a groundout to 2nd....but we can go with 4 k's.
flymick24
05-19-10, 12:33 AM
he didn't even look interested after Joey had that triple
ARodCanoMelky
05-19-10, 01:43 AM
Not me. If it was me, I would have edited it to show that he died in 2007.
Post of the year :-rofl-:
LazyEyeLou
05-19-10, 07:43 AM
A lot of good Winnsults in this thread. Nice work.
Are the Yankees contradicting themselves?
Pena is on the roster for defense right? We all know he has no bat. If the Yankees cared so much about back up defense, then why was Thames signed?
Why isn't Golston here to backup? You can't be sending down Golston when Posada and Swisher can't even pinch hit.
And if you're going to have Thames play outfield and you KNOW he sucks than why the heck is Kevin Russo not up here? He plays outfield some. Is he worst than Thames or something? If find that hard to believe...
Golson was sent down for Melancon. bullpen was short, remember?
poisonpill
05-19-10, 09:09 AM
Yet for all the anger directed at Winn, it should have never even come down to him batting in the bottom of the 9th. The Yankees were their own worst enemy tonight and they totally blew a game that they should have won.
I agree. Winn is an easy target right now. I definitely do NOT like him on this team and gladly dump on his especially after last night. His swing is amazingly awful and I cannot, for the life of me, comprehend how he has 1700+ hits with that rickety all-arms/no-balance swing of his.
Why on earth is he on this time? He can't hit a lick and his defense is pointless.
But yes, that was Joba's game. When you cough up 4 runs in the 8th, I'd wager you'd lose like 95% of ballgames.
Torre Must Go
05-19-10, 09:15 AM
Tough to believe Winn has over 1,700 hits watching some of his AB's here
NelsonMuntz
05-19-10, 09:22 AM
I knew the Winn signing would back fire
He was just unlucky last year.
liv2create
05-19-10, 09:23 AM
I truly do not know what Cashman was thinking in signing Winn. There have been at leat 5-8 situations already this year where he has gotten up in game winning/changing situations and has not come through.
I would put virtually any other Yankee up there to hit instead of him. He is single handedly killing us.
the_coach
05-19-10, 09:50 AM
last night was on Joba...not Winn...or Thames.
Michael Dorbuck
05-19-10, 09:51 AM
It is time to bite the bullet with Randy Winn. His swing is awful and when he comes up to the plate, I think of him as almost an automatic out. He isn't even a decent bench player at this stage of his career. The excuse with him at the beginning of the season was that he was not used to being a bench player. Now we see what is happening when he is getting extended playing time. We can't keep on playing this guy. He is impacting the team in a negative way much too much. He certainly is not living up to his name. He isn't doing very much positively to help the Yankees win.
bomber999
05-19-10, 09:58 AM
last night was on Joba...not Winn...or Thames.
It was on all three, to greater or lesser extents. Winn was actually the least culpable. He didn't position the OF against Hermida, and he can't help that he completely sucks offensively and was completely overmatched against a very mediocre Papelbon.
In terms of goats: Joba>Thames>Winn.
liv2create
05-19-10, 10:00 AM
last night was on Joba...not Winn...or Thames.
Disagree. 9th inning. With men on 2nd and 3rd Papelbon blew him away. It wouldn't be so bad except this is what Winn does mostly every time he is up.
Otherwise he appears to be a nice guy, just not Yankee caliber
NelsonMuntz
05-19-10, 10:03 AM
It was on all three, to greater or lesser extents. Winn was actually the least culpable. He didn't position the OF against Hermida, and he can't help that he completely sucks offensively and was completely overmatched against a very mediocre Papelbon.
In terms of goats: Joba>Thames>Winn.
It looked like Winn was getting an earful from the coaches when he came in to the dugout in the middle of the 8th. I'm not entirely sure that he was instructed to play that shallow. And at least Thames drew a walk in the 9th. Winn is completely useless.
Yankee Tripper
05-19-10, 10:03 AM
last night was on Joba...not Winn...or Thames.pleanty of blame to go around last night
A-rod error
Joba gives up 4 - looks like garbage
Thames error
Mo gives up 2
Miranda fails to get runner in from 3rd with less than 2 outs
Winn Ks on 3-2 pitch with tying run at 3rd and winning run at 2nd.
It was pretty much a team loss. Forget about it an move on.
the_coach
05-19-10, 10:10 AM
Disagree. 9th inning. With men on 2nd and 3rd Papelbon blew him away. It wouldn't be so bad except this is what Winn does mostly every time he is up.
Otherwise he appears to be a nice guy, just not Yankee caliber
If Joba does his job, the Yankee 9th inning doesn't even happen.
El Burro
05-19-10, 10:13 AM
It looked like Winn was getting an earful from the coaches when he came in to the dugout in the middle of the 8th. I'm not entirely sure that he was instructed to play that shallow. And at least Thames drew a walk in the 9th. Winn is completely useless.
Yeah, Girardi may well have been covering for him after the game.
NelsonMuntz
05-19-10, 10:14 AM
pleanty of blame to go around last night
A-rod error
Joba gives up 4 - looks like garbage
Thames error
Mo gives up 2
Miranda fails to get runner in from 3rd with less than 2 outs
Winn Ks on 3-2 pitch with tying run at 3rd and winning run at 2nd.
It was pretty much a team loss. Forget about it an move on.
The ridiculous strike zone Mo had to deal with didn't help either. Nor did the bad call on the play at 1B when Teix was pulled off the base. Doesn't change your fundamental point that there is plenty of blame to go around but out of everyone I blame Mo the least. No pitcher could have succeeded under those circumstances. Edit: actually the bad call at first happened when Joba was on the mound, but still, Mo was screwed royally by the umpires and our defense last night.
NelsonMuntz
05-19-10, 10:16 AM
If Joba does his job, the Yankee 9th inning doesn't even happen.
Joba looked like crap but he was also victimized by bad luck to a large degree. Two of those hits were classic bloopers.
Yankee Tripper
05-19-10, 10:21 AM
The ridiculous strike zone Mo had to deal with didn't help either. Nor did the bad call on the play at 1B when Teix was pulled off the base. Doesn't change your fundamental point that there is plenty of blame to go around but out of everyone I blame Mo the least. No pitcher could have succeeded under those circumstances.Oh I blame Joba the most but my point was it wasn't all on him.
In terms of goats: Joba>Thames>Winn.
i go joba >>> girardi.
joba plain sucked but .........
-- girardi should have been clued into this and yanked him sooner,
-- thames is a butcher in the OF, it's joe's job to make sure he's not out there late (Q why was golson sent down w joba and d rob available tonite w CC on the mound ??)
-- winn sucks as a hitter, and WTF knows why he was so shallow
it should never have come down to winn at the plate. and unless there's more logic than i can see to sending golson down, it never should have come down to thames in RF late.
just-blaze
05-19-10, 11:01 AM
They should play Yakety Saks when these two come up to bat.
CCBL BatBoy
05-19-10, 11:05 AM
That was pretty terrible by Thames.
Thames plays the outfield like a two year old, or a couch. When you throw a ball at them they don't even put their arms up, they just let it hit them. That's what Thames does!!!
Yankee Tripper
05-19-10, 11:37 AM
The ridiculous strike zone Mo had to deal with didn't help either. Nor did the bad call on the play at 1B when Teix was pulled off the base. Doesn't change your fundamental point that there is plenty of blame to go around but out of everyone I blame Mo the least. No pitcher could have succeeded under those circumstances. Edit: actually the bad call at first happened when Joba was on the mound, but still, Mo was screwed royally by the umpires and our defense last night.
Not really - according to pitch fx data Mo got 2 balls called strikes and 2 stikes called balls so it pretty much evened out. Sure the one to McDonald hurt as it should have been called stike 3 either on pitch loaction or swing but what are you going to do.
On the other hand Papelbon got squeezed on 2 pitchs per pitch fx, ball 4 to Thames should have been a called strike 3.
justtxyank
05-19-10, 11:40 AM
I will never get on Thames for his defense. He is a DH and a pinch hitter. He is playing the outfield out of necessity and poor decision making with regards to the roster.
poisonpill
05-19-10, 12:05 PM
I will never get on Thames for his defense. He is a DH and a pinch hitter. He is playing the outfield out of necessity and poor decision making with regards to the roster.
+1
I must admit it's tough to watch, but he's not a legit OF. With Cano running at him, I was pretty confident he would drop the ball.
A bigger question is where was Winn playing?
And I'll have to repeat: Winn's swing is supremely ugly.
justtxyank
05-19-10, 12:08 PM
And I'll have to repeat: Winn's swing is supremely ugly.
If you look at his career numbers it is amazing that he's been able to compile such a respectable career with such a puny swing.
If you could combine Thames' bat with Winn's glove you might have a suitable 25th man, maybe, but having both these guys on the roster is a joke.
justtxyank
05-19-10, 12:14 PM
If you could combine Thames' bat with Winn's glove you might have a suitable 25th man, maybe, but having both these guys on the roster is a joke.
That post is a joke.
Edit: A better than league average bat that murders lefties combined with a very good defensive player "might" be a "suitable 25th man"? Come on Eschie. That's ridiculous. As it is, either player is a suitable last man on the roster, with Thames a very functional roster member as either a DH or PH.
BronxYanks45
05-19-10, 12:23 PM
Thames has poor defense, sadly due to injuries we have to use him in the field
That post is a joke.
Edit: A better than league average bat that murders lefties combined with a very good defensive player "might" be a "suitable 25th man"? Come on Eschie. That's ridiculous. As it is, either player is a suitable last man on the roster, with Thames a very functional roster member as either a DH or PH.
I would not say he's better than a league average bat at this stage of his career and Winn most definitely is not a very good fielder anymore. I really don't see why it would be difficult to replace either of these guys with someone more effective.
Michael Dorbuck
05-19-10, 12:41 PM
Thames should never play the field. Sending him out there is a huge risk and it bit the Yankees in the fanny bigtime last night. But we sent our defensive outfield replacement Greg Golson back down to add a reliever Mark Melanson so the Yankees had no choice but to play Thames in the outfield last night. In effect, we robbed Peter to pay Paul. We added a reliever we didn't use and the bullpen blew the game anyway helped by Thames dropping the flyball.The Yankees just can't continue any longer with this short roster.
Thames should never play the field. Sending him out there is a huge risk and it bit the Yankees in the fanny bigtime last night. .......... We added a reliever we didn't use and the bullpen blew the game anyway helped by Thames dropping the flyball.The Yankees just can't continue any longer with this short roster.
agree fully. but then, if you're not gonna use the pitcher, why the FFFFFF do you send golson down, when you know late D for thames is essential with a lead ?? OF butchery occurs in roughly half his games, not an acceptable risk at all. especially w CC on the hill and joba and d rob ready to go, why did we need another arm ??
Somewhere it was said that Thames went from hero to zero in one day.
I would hope Girardi never makes this mistake with Thames again. I would even go as far to say let Pena play the field in Thames place, instead of waiting to PR for him.
Michael Dorbuck
05-19-10, 01:41 PM
The Yankees actually needed another bullpen arm more before Monday's game because Joba and Robertson were unavailable. That's why Vazquez had to pitch in the game. Why wasn't the Melanson move made before Monday's game and then they decided to do it before last nights game? I don't know who to blame but roster management has been a major problem with this team for years.
The Yankees actually needed another bullpen arm more before Monday's game because Joba and Robertson were unavailable. That's why Vazquez had to pitch in the game. Why wasn't the Melanson move made before Monday's game and then they decided to do it before last nights game? I don't know who to blame but roster management has been a major problem with this team for years.
in the immortal words of charlie chan, ah so.
justtxyank
05-19-10, 01:45 PM
I would not say he's better than a league average bat at this stage of his career and Winn most definitely is not a very good fielder anymore. I really don't see why it would be difficult to replace either of these guys with someone more effective.
Prior to this year his OPS+ was over 100 two out of 4 years (123 and 107). The two that it wasn't over 100 it was 98 and 99. This year he's at 174.
You wouldn't call that better than league average? What league do you watch?
And Winn has had a few unfortunate fielding issues this year (The blown throw and the bad positioning last night) but those are anomalies. He was a good fielder last year and there is no reason to think his fielding issues this year have been anything other than fluke occurrences.
teknetic
05-19-10, 01:47 PM
According to UZR/150, Winn has been excellent in LF and crap in RF. He was excellent in both positions in '09.
Winn's bat speed seems non-existent. When he could get around on pitches he was a nice enough player. I actually loved the signing, as he has had a nice career as a switch hitting OF with decent defense and decent speed. But he's getting beat by anything hard above his thighs....
Hellsing
05-19-10, 02:33 PM
Thames was never signed to be an everyday player in the OF. He was there to be a weapon off the bench or help platoon splits with Granderson.
He's fulfilled that role beyond expecation thus far. He's being asked to do things the Yankees never planned on asking him to do.
Thames has been a wildly successful pick up THUS FAR.
Just that he's been wildly unsucessful in the field.
If he's cost the Yankees as many games in the field as he's won with his bat, I'd call it breaking even.
Hellsing
05-19-10, 02:46 PM
Just that he's been wildly unsucessful in the field.
If he's cost the Yankees as many games in the field as he's won with his bat, I'd call it breaking even.
A task he was never supposed to fill with any regularity. Injuries have forced him to assume a role he wasn't supposed to fill and now we are seeing the mold on the cheese, so to speak.
A task he was never supposed to fill with any regularity. Injuries have forced him to assume a role he wasn't supposed to fill and now we are seeing the mold on the cheese, so to speak.
Your right. Just playing devil's advocate. :bad:
By no means am I upset with his acquisition.
Girardi is the guy who needs to be ?. He could do a better job of protecting his players.
PinstripesintheBronx
05-19-10, 02:56 PM
A lot of hate in this thread and I love it
Prior to this year his OPS+ was over 100 two out of 4 years (123 and 107). The two that it wasn't over 100 it was 98 and 99. This year he's at 174.
He has a career OPS+ of 107 and he's now 33, so no, I don't think he's a lock to be above league average.
You wouldn't call that better than league average? What league do you watch?
What's with the condescention? Who the hell are you?
And Winn has had a few unfortunate fielding issues this year (The blown throw and the bad positioning last night) but those are anomalies. He was a good fielder last year and there is no reason to think his fielding issues this year have been anything other than fluke occurrences.
You're assuming I based his fielding ability on bad positioning and a throw where he slipped in the grass? Good job, champ.
Mr Coffee
05-19-10, 03:39 PM
I don't care that playing the outfield isn't something Thames is supposed to do.
How do you make it to the pros without being able to catch a freakin' fly ball?
justtxyank
05-19-10, 03:39 PM
He has a career OPS+ of 107 and he's now 33, so no, I don't think he's a lock to be above league average.
Sure he's not a lock, but he's a pretty safe bet and is currently hitting well above league average.
What's with the condescention? Who the hell are you?
I didn't mean it to be condescending, I meant it to be serious. I don't see how you would see him as being less than league average.
You're assuming I based his fielding ability on bad positioning and throw where he slipped in the grass? Good job, champ.
Well you aren't basing it on statistical data as that suggests he's good in the field. So if it isn't based on statistics OR based on what you've seen in a SSS this year, what are you basing your opinion on?
Sure he's not a lock, but he's a pretty safe bet and is currently hitting well above league average.
I didn't mean it to be condescending, I meant it to be serious. I don't see how you would see him as being less than league average.
I never said I saw him as less than league average so I don't know what you're being "serious" about.
Well you aren't basing it on statistical data as that suggests he's good in the field. So if it isn't based on statistics OR based on what you've seen in a SSS this year, what are you basing your opinion on?
He's looked like crap and he's at an age where players fall off a cliff defensively. The fact that he looks completely over matched with the bat leads me to believe his body is probably failing him in the field too.
justtxyank
05-19-10, 04:06 PM
I never said I saw him as less than league average so I don't know what you're being "serious" about.
You said if you combined his bat with Winn's glove you might have a player worthy of being the very last guy on a roster. That would imply you think pretty lowly of his bat.
He's looked like crap and he's at an age where players fall off a cliff defensively. The fact that he looks completely over matched with the bat leads me to believe his body is probably failing him in the field too.
So basically you are basing it on the small sample size of this season like I assumed.
You said if you combined his bat with Winn's glove you might have a player worthy of being the very last guy on a roster. That would imply you think pretty lowly of his bat.
I think pretty lowly of his bat based on what I'd expect from someone whose only purpose is to DH and pinch hit.
So basically you are basing it on the small sample size of this season like I assumed.
At 36 using his full body of work isn't all that much better, particularly when his body has been clearly failing him offensively since 2008. Again, I think we can do better than a no hit all defense player who hasn't looked all that good on defense.
jesterno2
05-19-10, 07:04 PM
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jesterno2
05-19-10, 07:07 PM
in other news, i was completely willing to give randy winn a shot to be a valuable part of this team when we signed him over other options, and i certainly thought his skillset and experience would be a good fit if he played to his career averages or anywhere close to it, but i am fully on board with all others who think that the experiment is over and that he is hurting the team at this point. i would rather see golson or some other OF from AAA be given a shot to provide some value than watching any more of this garbage.
thames has exceeded any expectations i had, and while he has made some really costly plays, at least he is still hitting and providing some value in the midst of these injuries. winn i am completely done with though.
Winn/Thames are getting exposed for the players that they are. They are role players who shouldn't be getting start after start as they might provide some nice moments, but overall, their play is hurting the team.
Michael Dorbuck
05-19-10, 07:55 PM
Winn/Thames are getting exposed for the players that they are. They are role players who shouldn't be getting start after start as they might provide some nice moments, but overall, their play is hurting the team.
Winn is a complete liability. He had one big moment, a three run homer against the Orioles that helped win a game. Otherwise, he has stranded runners galore and has had a couple of questionable defensive plays as well. Even as a backup, he isn't good. He really has nothing to offer to a baseball team at this point of his career. His bat is so slow, a pitcher is doing him a favor if he throws anything other than a fastball.
As for Thames, he is fine as a dh against a lefty. When you play him against a righty, he is less of an asset and a complete liability when he plays in the outfield. Unfortunately, because of the injuries, he has had to be put into situations where he shouldn't have been put in.
Thames, at least, has value if used properly. Winn just needs to be released since he has no real value to the team.
SLURPEE
05-19-10, 07:56 PM
Why was Winn even signed?
Sometimes I don't get the Yankees thinking. Colin Curtis is more than serviceable but they didn't even let him compete for a spot in ST. It automatically went to Winn.
It's stupid. Colin Curtis would have been fine as your 4th outfielder. And would have been doing a much better job with the bat.
Winn is shot. No bat speed whats so ever.
murpjf88
05-19-10, 08:04 PM
Why was Winn even signed?
Sometimes I don't get the Yankees thinking. Colin Curtis is more than serviceable but they didn't even let him compete for a spot in ST. It automatically went to Winn.
It's stupid. Colin Curtis would have been fine as your 4th outfielder. And would have been doing a much better job with the bat.
Winn is shot. No bat speed whats so ever.
Because Cashman is one cheap POS. He thinks that what ever button he presses, it will work out in the long run. They never should have signed this dwarf.
He may be in because of injuries, but with Girardi's propensity to play all his players regardless, he would still be receiving too much playing time.
Mr Coffee
05-19-10, 08:21 PM
Thames hurt?
What's plan c?
hellonewman
05-19-10, 08:26 PM
Thames hurt?
What's plan c?I'm sure Cashman is calling up another relief pitcher even as we speak.
jesterno2
05-19-10, 08:26 PM
a 3-run homer right here like in the baltimore game wouldnt make me change my stance on DFA'ing him, but it would certainly help atone a little for the other games he has cost us
Michael Dorbuck
05-19-10, 08:27 PM
[quote=Mr Coffee]Thames hurt?
What's plan c?[/quote
This is awful. Tripping over his own bat while running. There is no plan c. Now all we have on the bench are two injured players, Posada and Swisher. ]
Mr Coffee
05-19-10, 08:30 PM
This is awful. Tripping over his own bat while running.
http://www.rightfieldbleachers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/harry-doyle.jpg
"At least he didn't spike himself."
murpjf88
05-19-10, 08:31 PM
Thames will probably be out at least a week just for precautionary measures. Girardi doesn't want to rush him back too soon.
jesterno2
05-19-10, 08:33 PM
Because Cashman is one cheap POS. He thinks that what ever button he presses, it will work out in the long run. They never should have signed this dwarf.
He may be in because of injuries, but with Girardi's propensity to play all his players regardless, he would still be receiving too much playing time.
lol, well welcome to the board. Cashman a cheap POS? that is certainly contrary to others' line of thinking that all he can do is sign big checks (CC, Tex, AJ), and you could also certainly point at Hal setting a budget for Cashman and being very vocal about it all offseason. that also is kinda illogical if you think that maybe he shouldve used an in-house option like colin curtis or someone else under contract instead of signing winn for over $1 mil.
needless to say id be extremely curious to see how you rationalize that statement...
oh and winn is still worthless.
Mr Coffee
05-19-10, 08:34 PM
Thames will probably be out at least a week just for precautionary measures. Girardi doesn't want to rush him back too soon.
He won't DL him, though.
SLURPEE
05-19-10, 08:39 PM
I wonder will Thames be "day to day" taking up another dead roster spot?
Or will the Yankees finally use their collective brains and actually put a hurt player on the DL :-ponder-:
Michael Dorbuck
05-19-10, 08:45 PM
I wonder will Thames be "day to day" taking up another dead roster spot?
Or will the Yankees finally use their collective brains and actually put a hurt player on the DL :-ponder-:
They have reached the point where they will have to make a roster move before tomorrows game. As much as they seem unwilling to do it, I don't think right now they are left with any other choice.
They have reached the point where they will have to make a roster move before tomorrows game. As much as they seem unwilling to do it, I don't think right now they are left with any other choice.
I would make 2 moves (DL Thames and Swish).
murpjf88
05-19-10, 09:09 PM
lol, well welcome to the board. Cashman a cheap POS? that is certainly contrary to others' line of thinking that all he can do is sign big checks (CC, Tex, AJ), and you could also certainly point at Hal setting a budget for Cashman and being very vocal about it all offseason. that also is kinda illogical if you think that maybe he shouldve used an in-house option like colin curtis or someone else under contract instead of signing winn for over $1 mil.
needless to say id be extremely curious to see how you rationalize that statement...
oh and winn is still worthless.
First of all, Cashman had to sign those players. He was practically given a blank check. I think Hal made it Cashman's top priorety to sign those players because hew was on the hot seat.
Their was no need to sign a bottom of the barrel OF like Winn to a contract when their were plenty of solid outfielders to be had. (ie. Reed Johnson, Eric Hinske, or Hairston) If money was going to be an issue, then I would have rather have Russo or Golsen get some burn in the outfield rather than signing a worthless POS in Winn. Injuries have obviously created a bigger problem that no one could have anticipated. Hal may have set the budget in stone, yet it didn't stop Cashman from exceeding the budget with the signings of Thames and Winn.
Signing N. Johnson was a gamble not worth risking. Signing a DH to replace a DH is moronic. His OBS is great, but what good is it when your constantly on the DL. To even consider putting Johnson in the field with his chronic wrist is an accident waiting to happen. He injured himself in ST taking ground balls. Matsui's numbers are down, but he got off to a slow start in 2009 as well.
I like Granderson, but not at the price of losing A. Jackson. Thus far, every move Cashman made this offseason has blown up in his face.
murpjf88
05-19-10, 09:23 PM
Get ready for a faceful of Pena
Im pretty sure the first thing I learned in t-ball was to drop your bat behind you and to not throw it. Come on Marcus.
shades of john olerud 04 ALCS. same scenario, and it helped turn that dreadful series.
unfamous loser
05-19-10, 10:30 PM
Their was no need to sign a bottom of the barrel OF like Winn to a contract when their were plenty of solid outfielders to be had. (ie. Reed Johnson, Eric Hinske, or Hairston)
not to defend Winn's presence, but Reed Johnson and Hairston were/are every bit as "bottom of the barrel" as he was/is -- if not more.
not to defend Winn's presence, but Reed Johnson and Hairston were/are every bit as "bottom of the barrel" as he was/is -- if not more.
I believe they were also both off the market by the time Winn sighned.
Michael Dorbuck
05-19-10, 10:48 PM
I believe they were also both off the market by the time Winn sighned.
I think you are right. But at the time Winn signed, he should not have been offered a major league contract. Like Thames, he should have been offered a minor league deal and been forced to make the team in spring training. I didn't see any other team offering Winn a guaranteed contract. I don't understand why Cashman did so. Another very questionable decision in a long list of questionable moves by Cashman.
I believe they were also both off the market by the time Winn sighned.
my recollection is that johnson was to split-heavy for cashman. hairston was briefley rumored to be coming back here for around $2MM, but then i think cashman took a last shot at damon and then got both thames and winn for the same $2MM. so i assume it was a blue light special "value proposition" for cashman.
murpjf88
05-19-10, 10:58 PM
not to defend Winn's presence, but Reed Johnson and Hairston were/are every bit as "bottom of the barrel" as he was/is -- if not more.
Lower tier OF's for sure, and not my 1st, 2nd, or 3rd choice. But both can hit a major league fastball and thats still a step up from Winn.
Both players were signed by the time Cashman got off his ass and had to settle for Winn.
unfamous loser
05-19-10, 11:12 PM
Winn -
2010: 68 wRC+, .277 wOBA, 0.0 WAR
2009: 82 wRC+, .301 wOBA, 1.6 WAR
2008: 115 wRC+, .352 wOBA, 5.0 WAR
Johnson -
2010: 58 wRC+, .257 wOBA, .1 WAR
2009: 95 wRC+, .327 wOBA, .4 WAR
2008: 103 wRC+, .338 wOBA, 1.5 WAR
Hairston -
2010: 52 wRC+, .240 wOBA, -.3 WAR
2009: 86 wRC+, .312 wOBA, .9 WAR
2008: 135 wRC+, .387 wOBA, 2.6 WAR
such a big gap, especially in current performance...
also, Winn signed before Johnson signed with the Dodgers (1/27/10 vs 2/1/10).
dabomb2045
05-20-10, 12:52 AM
I cant take Randy Winn anymore. I'd rather see ANYONE. Colin Curtis. Jon Weber. Anyone else from AAA...I dont care who it is.
Winn is just awful in every way.
I am still a bit bamboozled(yea I know, wrong thread) as to why he was so shallow the other night. I believe that is the second time he has been toasted late in a game( I am gonna start calling him Elvis Patterson) playing so shallow.
JavyVazquezIsSick
05-20-10, 06:21 AM
You'd think the Yankees would of, you know, scouted Randy Winn last year prior to signing him. It's crystal clear to anyone with eyes, that he's completely overmatched at the plate, and it's been this way since ST.
You'd think the Yankees would of, you know, scouted Randy Winn last year prior to signing him. It's crystal clear to anyone with eyes, that he's completely overmatched at the plate, and it's been this way since ST.
he has this very odd half-chop swing, kind of like a wind-up action figure.
Mr Coffee
05-20-10, 06:44 AM
He starts with the bat a bit forward, then has to bring it back before swinging. It's why he's late on fastballs.
It's the Grand Poobah of hitches.
themgmt
05-20-10, 06:48 AM
They should have scouted his knees. They're terrible.
JavyVazquezIsSick
05-20-10, 06:49 AM
he has this very odd half-chop swing, kind of like a wind-up action figure.
There are successful batters who have that swing. Chase Utley comes to mind. The problem is he's old and his bat has showed it.
dabomb2045
05-20-10, 06:52 AM
You'd think the Yankees would of, you know, scouted Randy Winn last year prior to signing him. It's crystal clear to anyone with eyes, that he's completely overmatched at the plate, and it's been this way since ST.
Its amazing they'll sign a guy who's been done for years.....yet they wont give a chance to someone like Colin Curtis. At this point, I refuse to believe he can be any worse then the corpse of Randy Winn.
Its amazing they'll sign a guy who's been done for years.....yet they wont give a chance to someone like Colin Curtis. At this point, I refuse to believe he can be any worse then the corpse of Randy Winn.
other than the fact that winn was a K-mart blue light special budget signing, winn only really made sense as gardner insurance -- a MLB veteran who could be tapped if it turned out gardner wasn't an everyday player -- plus he does still give you speed and D. i look at him now kind of like an older version of pena -- it's OK if he's buried on the bench and you see him for late D or a very occasional start. anything more than that is atrocious. i would have to think that a 7/31 upgrade is inevitable. Q does he continue to start LF until granderson comes back in a few weeks, or will one of the OF call-ups (weber, golson ??) put him back on the bench where he belongs in the interim ??
dabomb2045
05-20-10, 07:07 AM
You know Winn will keep starting everyday....he's the "proven veteran" who "we know will start to hit". Sigh.
Rocketbooster
05-20-10, 07:39 AM
Its amazing they'll sign a guy who's been done for years.....yet they wont give a chance to someone like Colin Curtis. At this point, I refuse to believe he can be any worse then the corpse of Randy Winn.
Done for years? He had one bad year last year - it could just have been an off-year. I had no problems taking a chance on Winn........and Curtis was nothing special. He did show improvement this winter; It's too bad he got hurt or he'd be up here now.
plus, he was a full $5 mil cheaper than damon. he helped cashman bring the team in on budget. that's a huge deal for us, right ??
I would like to say that once Grandy is back and the Jet moves back to LF that Winn will be a non-thought and we can look back on this episode and chuckle.
Then I thought about Swisher's arm, then Thames ankle. :doh:
I would like to say that once Grandy is back and the Jet moves back to LF that Winn will be a non-thought and we can look back on this episode and chuckle.
Then I thought about Swisher's arm, then Thames ankle. :doh:
to me the most pressing concern is swish. it seems granderson is back end of the month, posada by first or second week in june, and thames likely just a few days. and the thames injury might actually have the positive effect of relegating him to platoon DH, while forcing us to call up a real OFer.
I wonder if the Yankees regret signing Winn and returning Hoffman to the Dodgers. Hoffman is supposedly a very good defender, good base running skills and is pumping .320 / .336 / .456 in Albuquerque right now.
The Yankees will never do it but I'd cut bait with Winn if I could get a cheap fourth outfielder option that can put up something north of a 53 OPS+ now that we know he's going to see some meaningful playing time.
Call up Curtis. See if there's someone we can nab on the cheap from a bottom feeder. Hell, call Cleveland up about Austin Kearns, he seems to be having a mini-renaissance and can DH some, PH and DH some when the dust settles a bit.
Something, anything. Winn seems like a good guy but I can't imagine he's going to do much more than what we've seen so far.
flymick24
05-20-10, 11:03 AM
winn looks like what diarrhea would look like if it tried playing baseball
winn looks like what diarrhea would look like if it tried playing baseball
pretty much, tho it would probably have a more fluid swing.
JavyVazquezIsSick
05-20-10, 11:37 AM
I wonder if the Yankees regret signing Winn and returning Hoffman to the Dodgers. Hoffman is supposedly a very good defender, good base running skills and is pumping .320 / .336 / .456 in Albuquerque right now.
The Yankees will never do it but I'd cut bait with Winn if I could get a cheap fourth outfielder option that can put up something north of a 53 OPS+ now that we know he's going to see some meaningful playing time.
Call up Curtis. See if there's someone we can nab on the cheap from a bottom feeder. Hell, call Cleveland up about Austin Kearns, he seems to be having a mini-renaissance and can DH some, PH and DH some when the dust settles a bit.
Something, anything. Winn seems like a good guy but I can't imagine he's going to do much more than what we've seen so far.
That line isn't all that special and the choice was always between Thames and Hoffman. Once Winn received the contract, he was guaranteed a spot.
I'm down with cutting Winn though, completely useless.
dave8274
05-20-10, 12:22 PM
Winn has the worst looking swing I can remember seeing in my lifetime.
plus, he was a full $5 mil cheaper than damon. he helped cashman bring the team in on budget. that's a huge deal for us, right ??
people may not like it but we have a budget now. it may be a $200m budget but the line exists. cashman has been told what he can spend. the damon argument is now irrelevant.
as for winn, that swing is ugly to watch.
Rocketbooster
05-20-10, 12:52 PM
I wonder if the Yankees regret signing Winn and returning Hoffman to the Dodgers. Hoffman is supposedly a very good defender, good base running skills and is pumping .320 / .336 / .456 in Albuquerque right now.
The Yankees will never do it but I'd cut bait with Winn if I could get a cheap fourth outfielder option that can put up something north of a 53 OPS+ now that we know he's going to see some meaningful playing time.
Call up Curtis. See if there's someone we can nab on the cheap from a bottom feeder. Hell, call Cleveland up about Austin Kearns, he seems to be having a mini-renaissance and can DH some, PH and DH some when the dust settles a bit.
Something, anything. Winn seems like a good guy but I can't imagine he's going to do much more than what we've seen so far.
Colin Curtis? Not for weeks - he's been out and will be out for awhile with a high ankle sprain.
Mr Coffee
05-20-10, 12:54 PM
people may not like it but we have a budget now. it may be a £200m budget but the line exists. cashman has been told what he can spend. the damon argument is now irrelevant.
as for winn, that swing is ugly to watch.
We don't use pounds here, limey.
;)
Yankee Tripper
05-20-10, 12:55 PM
Winn has the worst looking swing I can remember seeing in my lifetime.
No i think that would go to Brett Gardner circa 2008 dude - looked like a girls college softball player up a bat (and I'm not talking Lisa Fernadez) - he's gotten much better though.
We don't use pounds here, limey.
;)
sorry mr tea.
Mr Coffee
05-20-10, 01:10 PM
sorry mr tea.
Coffee, dammit!
And no crumpets either.
BronxYanks45
05-20-10, 01:12 PM
I really didnt understand gettting rid of Hoffman at this point. Winn is horrendous
Coffee, dammit!
And no crumpets either.
http://i47.tinypic.com/e7i0b8.jpg
JavyVazquezIsSick
05-20-10, 01:27 PM
Winn has the worst looking swing I can remember seeing in my lifetime.
Richie Sexson II.
I really didnt understand gettting rid of Hoffman at this point. Winn is horrendous
i understood it. the guy didn't hit. i would have preferred him over thames to start the year but i was obviously wrong about that.
SLURPEE
05-20-10, 02:59 PM
Can't wait till Granderson comes back and then give Winn his walking papers.
Bench:
Pena, Russo, Thames, Golston or Miranda
Austin3
05-20-10, 03:01 PM
Lohud is reporting that Swish is taking full batting practice and Russo is the other call up. If Swish can go I wouldn't mind benching Winn and going with an OF of Russo-Gardner-Swisher from left to right.
flymick24
05-20-10, 03:04 PM
Richie Sexson II.
nah, winn at least has regular sized arms
That line isn't all that special and the choice was always between Thames and Hoffman. Once Winn received the contract, he was guaranteed a spot.
I'm down with cutting Winn though, completely useless.I know, but something tells me that could translate to something better than .182 / .274 / .273. I didn't understand Winn getting that contract. I think it was a safe bet that he woudln't do much, Hoffman at least had some limited upside and would be making the minimum.
Lohud is reporting that Swish is taking full batting practice and Russo is the other call up. If Swish can go I wouldn't mind benching Winn and going with an OF of Russo-Gardner-Swisher from left to right.
me too. i think winn might turn it around but he sucks right now.
Lohud is reporting that Swish is taking full batting practice and Russo is the other call up. If Swish can go I wouldn't mind benching Winn and going with an OF of Russo-Gardner-Swisher from left to right.
winn's in there tonite, but hopefully russo will prove he can play OF and they can segway him in there.
flymick24
05-20-10, 04:50 PM
turn what around? his head as he looks back upon his finished career?
SLURPEE
05-20-10, 05:51 PM
winn's in there tonite, but hopefully russo will prove he can play OF and they can segway him in there.I think Russo is up here because they think he's solid enough in the outfield. With that being the case, then once Granderson comes back I guess we can say goodbye to Randy Winn.
me too. i think winn might turn it around but he sucks right now.I've got nothing against Winn, and he may be better than a 53 OPS+, but he's really nothing more than a 5th OF at this point.
Cashman took a flier on him, hoping he could resemble the ~100 OPS+ guy he was in '07 and '08 and that '09 was an outlier. It works sometimes, but not this time. And he's 36 years old, which makes it more likely that his downward trajectory isn't going to suddenly reverse.
NelsonMuntz
05-20-10, 08:35 PM
I've got nothing against Winn, and he may be better than a 53 OPS+, but he's really nothing more than a 5th OF at this point.
Cashman took a flier on him, hoping he could resemble the ~100 OPS+ guy he was in '07 and '08 and that '09 was an outlier. It works sometimes, but not this time. And he's 36 years old, which makes it more likely that his downward trajectory isn't going to suddenly reverse.
He was just unlucky last year.
YankeesAce4Life
05-20-10, 09:12 PM
Dfa Now!
DaYanks24
05-20-10, 09:13 PM
Winn has about as much offensive ability right now as I do.
What a terrible FA signing.
bmxstreetrider86
05-20-10, 09:13 PM
i dont know why anyone throws him off speed stuff, he cant hit a decent fastball
jimmykey2
05-20-10, 09:14 PM
Dfa Now!
Calm down.
He just needs a bigger bat so he can make more contact. I suggest something the size of a tennis racquet.
YankeesAce4Life
05-20-10, 09:15 PM
Calm down.
He just needs a bigger bat so he can make more contact. I suggest something the size of a tennis racket.
He makes my balls hurt...
DaYanks24
05-20-10, 09:16 PM
He makes my balls hurt...
He certainly doesn't make any baseballs hurt.
YankeesAce4Life
05-20-10, 09:18 PM
He certainly doesn't make any baseballs hurt.
:rimshot: :lol:
bmxstreetrider86
05-20-10, 09:18 PM
id rather have ramiro pena hit against a good fastball.
murpjf88
05-20-10, 09:19 PM
I would have rather seen them bring Pena off the bench to pinch hit rather than watch useless swing the bat.
bmxstreetrider86
05-20-10, 09:21 PM
is thames not available?
hellonewman
05-20-10, 09:23 PM
is thames not available?He's day-to-day, stepped on a bat yesterday and hurt his ankle.
flymick24
05-20-10, 09:24 PM
i want to punch him in his ovaries
SLURPEE
05-20-10, 09:25 PM
Tomorrow will be Randy Winn with the pitcher next. :-rofl-:
bmxstreetrider86
05-20-10, 09:26 PM
He's day-to-day, stepped on a bat yesterday and hurt his ankle.
ok, just trying to make sense of winn getting a chance to hit there
Mr Coffee
05-20-10, 09:33 PM
ok, just trying to make sense of winn getting a chance to hit there
Make no mistake--
he had no chance.
flymick24
05-20-10, 09:35 PM
maybe he misses his goatee too much
to be fair, he had two XBH stolen today by excellent defense...
bmxstreetrider86
05-20-10, 09:48 PM
Make no mistake--
he had no chance.
very true
is thames not available?
reportedly the ankle isn't that bad. my guess is he'll be ready to PH at some point this series. PLEASE, no OF !!!!!!!!
teknetic
05-20-10, 10:22 PM
So who the hell pinch hits for the pitcher this weekend?
to be fair, he had two XBH stolen today by excellent defense...
yeah, he actually had some decent ABs tonite. his swing still looks funky as hell, but he was robbed by crawford and just missed a double down the line in the 9th. i chalked it up as a moral victory of sorts.
So who the hell pinch hits for the pitcher this weekend?
thames, miranda, russo. CC??!! i suspect thames will be ready for PH appearances some time soon.
flymick24
05-20-10, 10:28 PM
when you have to count moral victories as part of a good night at the plate, you know you're in trouble
when you have to count moral victories as part of a good night at the plate, you know you're in trouble
HAH !!! .......... parsing 9th inning Ks to ward off deep-dish desperation ............
dabomb2045
05-20-10, 10:38 PM
I'd would have pinch-hit CC in the 9th....I'm only half-joking. Seriously this guy cant catch up to a fastball thats over 91 or 92. Pathetic.
yarosh25
05-20-10, 11:04 PM
Randy Winn gotta go... he is awful... at this point a 0-tool player
Tomorrow will be Randy Winn with the pitcher next. :-rofl-:
I am thinking the other way around
to be fair, he had two XBH stolen today by excellent defense...
This is true, however the problem with Winn is what he cannot do. Shields is an excellent matchup for him these days- a primarily changeup pitcher who doesn't throw too hard. Winn has yet to catch up to a fastball above his knees this year. His bat speed is putrid. He can drop the bat on a fastball or hit a breaking ball, but his ability to catch up to anything hard is currently gone.
PAULIEWALNUTS
05-21-10, 08:29 AM
Randy Winn should change his name to Stew Gotz.
BronxYanks45
05-21-10, 08:41 AM
why on earth did we pick up Winn, seriously he is horrible. Thames is a situational guy only and we knew that but Winn used to be an everyday player and he stinks
SLURPEE
05-21-10, 10:15 AM
why on earth did we pick up Winn, seriously he is horrible. Thames is a situational guy only and we knew that but Winn used to be an everyday player and he stinksDon't worry, he likely will be DFA when Granderson returns.
Yankee Tripper
05-21-10, 10:35 AM
Don't worry, he likely will be DFA when Granderson returns.no he won't. He'll go back to being the 4th OF he is. And quite frankly he wasn't the problem last night, having 2nd & 3rd with no one out in the 3rd and our best 3 bats - tex, A-rod, Cano - coming up and no getting a single run was what sucked last night.
SLURPEE
05-21-10, 10:46 AM
Nope, he'll be DFA. He is a waste of roster spot.
All you need to know is that Cashman pretty much said if Colin Curtis was healthy he would be up here. What does that say about Randy Winn? Not much...
They didn't bring Kevin Russo up here for nothing. They obviously feel comfortable with him in the outfield.
Hell Golston can do what Winn does. Which is not hit. But runs better and his defense is better.
Bye bye Randy.
teknetic
05-21-10, 10:52 AM
They feel comfortable with Russo so much so that he hasn't appeared in a game other than to pinch run. I don't know why you'd think he'd get cut when garbage like Logan and Ransom stuck around for 2-3 months.
SLURPEE
05-21-10, 11:00 AM
The Yankees are likely fascinated with Logan's velocity. Lefty that throws that hard has them :ga-ga:.
Ransom was here long as he was because of Arod injury, was right handed, and for some reason they thought he was good defensively. He was athletic and could jump high.
They loved Veras too for awhile, until he became expendable.
Both cases with Ransom and Veras the Yankees soon found out that they sucked and both were replaced.
I expect the same with Winn.
As for Logan, he keeps sucking he'll find himself in Scranton before too long.
Hellsing
05-21-10, 12:07 PM
http://www.buzzbishop.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/nosferatu.jpg
Randy Winn is sucking the life out of offense.
flymick24
05-21-10, 01:01 PM
nosferatu strikes again
nosferatu strikes again
nosferatu and bernie williams, that was one of the best ever !!
TheGameEpisode2
05-21-10, 01:59 PM
I have a hard time believing Randy Winn is this bad. I watched him quite a bit when he was in San Fran, and he wasn't this bad. I thought the signing would have been a nice fallback if Gardner failed but...I don't know what's wrong with him.
I have a hard time believing Randy Winn is this bad. I watched him quite a bit when he was in San Fran, and he wasn't this bad. I thought the signing would have been a nice fallback if Gardner failed but...I don't know what's wrong with him.
i get that his swing has always been choppy, but does it look the same to you or no?
or is that he simply doesn't have the skills to catch up to the FB anymore? when he makes good contact, the ball travels well
TheGameEpisode2
05-21-10, 02:29 PM
I just don't think he can catch up with a good fastball. Papelbon was blowing him away on Tuesday, and they weren't even that impressive FBs that he was throwing.
SLURPEE
05-21-10, 02:56 PM
Thankfully he's not he's not in the lineup tonight.
I don't think I could of watch Winn and the Pitcher back to back.
I think Winn's problem is his age; he is 36 years old and in the decline phase of his career. Sure, I might be burying him prematurely, but we could find plenty of examples of guys who were good or decent into their early or mid thirties and then lose it quickly. Winn has had a pretty good career, and his signing was a low risk financially...but the risk on the field was mostly to the downside because he was average to begin with and unlikely to maintain that average performance for much longer.
AnA-bombforA-rod
05-21-10, 08:25 PM
Goodbye Randy, Russo just took your job, I hope.
SLURPEE
05-21-10, 08:52 PM
Told ya'll about Russo. Better hitter than Pena. And Randy Winn is shot. His bat speed is too slow.
why is Winn replacing Russo tonight?
DRobertsonNYY
05-21-10, 09:05 PM
defense
Slioman
05-21-10, 09:16 PM
why is Winn replacing Russo tonight?
Russo's played literally less than 20 games in the OF in the minor league. Winn is an above average fielder, even if he hasn't been hitting.
Russo's played literally less than 20 games in the OF in the minor league. Winn is an above average fielder, even if he hasn't been hitting.
Fair enough, fair enough. I just cannot stand the guy.
How about Winn on that Bay double. He jumps at the wall only to have the ball hit a foot behind him.....
Chairman-of-TheBoard
05-21-10, 09:34 PM
defense
:confused:
dlouis688
05-22-10, 08:19 PM
Get out of left field Randy Winn. Now.
yarosh25
05-22-10, 08:19 PM
please release now, can't hit and can't field
Don't kill Randy Winn. It's not like the Yankees have any substitutes on the bench who have the potential to play better. If that were the case, I'd say the Yankees were stupid.
SLURPEE
05-22-10, 08:21 PM
It will be a complete joke if he's not DFA when Granderson comes back. A complete joke.
jobasfistpump62
05-22-10, 08:21 PM
Get this garbage off the team. He's the definition of suck.
teknetic
05-22-10, 08:21 PM
I wish he acted like a douchebag so I wouldn't feel slightly guilty about hating him.
I'll also question Cashman's testicular fortitude if he doesn't show him the door once Granderson returns.
Another nail in the Randy Winn coffin.
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