2010 Mark Melancon Performance Thread [Archive] - Page 2

teknetic

05-20-10, 07:14 PM

You can argue that he hasn't performed, but getting the Chris Britton treatment after proving himself in the minors is pretty damn ridiculous. He'd most likely would have gotten sent down regardless of his performance last night, so much for giving a rookie some motivation.

False1

05-20-10, 07:33 PM

I just heard they just sent him back down again. Quite frankly, one has to question his major league qualifications. He does appear to be able to pitch in the minors though , which is not much help to us.Based on what? He's been shuttled back and forth over the course of a year what - 4 or 5 times? - and amassed 20 IP. He's had lengthy dry spells between appearances in the bigs that can contribute to sloppy control. He may never amount to anything, but it's silly to call the ball based on what you've seen so far.

The reality is he has very good stuff, and in spite of some other arms on our roster that have no upside whatsover (e.g. Logan) they refuse to give Melancon a meaningful opportunity to show he can produce. I just don't understand what is to be gained now or especially in the future by keeping Logan and demoting Melancon.

I'm afraid he's getting Clippar'd.

NelsonMuntz

05-20-10, 09:53 PM

Why is Logan still here?

jimmykey2

05-20-10, 10:09 PM

I'm afraid he's getting Clippar'd.

How are the situations similar? One guy is a reliever and the other guy never pitched out of the 'pen as a professional until last season (after 6 years).

The Yankees should've held onto Clippard because 2 years later he would turn into a decent reliever? Just because a player goes somewhere else and has success doesn't mean the Yankees screwed up.

JavyVazquezIsSick

05-21-10, 05:23 AM

The Yankees are an absolute joke. Sending down Melancon and keeping Logan. Beyond laughable.

gold23

05-21-10, 10:14 AM

The Yankees are an absolute joke. Sending down Melancon and keeping Logan. Beyond laughable.

I think the two should be mutually exclusive. Keeping Logan is, I agree, pointless.

Melancon has been bombed in his appearances this year. He can't give length and he struggles to get out of the appearances he is in. I agree he has potential, but he deservedly was sent back down. Carrying a guy you will never have any trust in isn't worthwhile when you have issues on the offensive side with healthy bodies needed.

JavyVazquezIsSick

05-21-10, 10:16 AM

Yankee Tripper

05-21-10, 10:33 AM

He's deservedly sent down after pitching one inning? He needs to be given an proper chance.

And they aren't mutually exclusive, there is a cap on the amount of people you can have in a bullpen.

There is no one in this bullpen you should have trust in outside of Mo.

Agree. He wasn't sent down because of the two innings. He was sent down in a numbers game. They had too many arms in the pen and one had to go. Now I think most of us would agree that maybe Boone Logan should have been the arm to go but Joe G. seems to have a hard one for a hard throwing second lefty who has little idea where the ball is going after he throws it so Melancon was the logical next choice.

He'll very likely be back at some point this year.

gold23

05-21-10, 11:06 AM

He's deservedly sent down after pitching one inning? He needs to be given an proper chance.

And they aren't mutually exclusive, there is a cap on the amount of people you can have in a bullpen.

There is no one in this bullpen you should have trust in outside of Mo.

Nova was sent right down after pitching pretty well. Melancon has had two appearances and pitched poorly in each. I agree he hasn't had a real opportunity, but I also doubt that Girardi would feel comfortable with him in a game right now where the result was still in doubt.

teknetic

05-21-10, 11:18 AM

Mark Melancon: 20.1IP/20H/10BB/11ER/6.43ERA
David Robertson: First 21.1IP/18H/10BB/13ER/5.48ERA

Way to go Yankees.

Yankee Tripper

05-21-10, 11:38 AM

Mark Melancon: 20.1IP/20H/10BB/11ER/6.43ERA
David Robertson: First 21.1IP/18H/10BB/13ER/5.48ERA

Way to go Yankees.
Weird, young pitchers sometimes struggle with their frst experience in the bigs. Who knew?

False1

05-21-10, 04:59 PM

How are the situations similar? One guy is a reliever and the other guy never pitched out of the 'pen as a professional until last season (after 6 years).

The Yankees should've held onto Clippard because 2 years later he would turn into a decent reliever? Just because a player goes somewhere else and has success doesn't mean the Yankees screwed up.The parrallels I see are that we have two young pitchers with good (albeit different types of) stuff. Fairly highly touted organizationally. Brought up in a pinch, flash some decent stuff but struggle with command, sent back down while there are other roster spots filled by less talented guys not blowing the doors off the barn. I'm still amazed that the Yankees basically threw away Clippard at age 22 when we were relying on guys like Rasner and getting emergency depth from guys like Ponson. I really hope Melancon gets a shot - particularly if the "down side" is a few less innings from Logan types.

DRobertsonNYY

05-21-10, 05:44 PM

Boone Logan has those Felix Heredia pics.

Yankee Steve

05-21-10, 05:53 PM

He obviously has good stuff, so maybe it is location. Must be frustrating for him - as well as the Yanks.

mrmike98

05-21-10, 05:59 PM

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Yankee Steve

05-21-10, 06:07 PM

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mrmike98

05-21-10, 06:09 PM

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teknetic

05-21-10, 06:20 PM

The parrallels I see are that we have two young pitchers with good (albeit different types of) stuff.

I don't think they're different at all. Both are 92-94 (Melancon touching 95) with hammer curves. Which makes this garbage treatment all the more awkward.

There are a number of things I can't stand about 2010 Mark Melancon Performance Thread

Yea, like that one poster calling everyone "babe."

mrmike98

05-21-10, 06:58 PM

I don't think they're different at all. Both are 92-94 (Melancon touching 95) with hammer curves. Which makes this garbage treatment all the more awkward.

Yea, like that one poster calling everyone "babe."

Ticks me off too.

ppa79

05-22-10, 06:02 AM

Melancon needs to stay in the majors and work through his struggles on learning how to become a major league pitcher. Sending him to AAA isn't gonna teach him how to pitch in the majors. He has already dominated the minors, he has good stuff, and now he just needs to pitch. Its not like Logan is showing any kind of potential.

themgmt

05-22-10, 07:01 AM

I'll enjoy Park, Logan, and Mitre getting plenty of innings. Logan is a joke but he's not the reason they sent Melancon down. Aceves will take Logan's spot in a little bit and Girardi's beloved Mitre is apparently more useful than 6th starters in AAA.

Rivera
Robertson
Joba
Marte
Melancon
Aceves
Park

Should be the pen. Melancon+Aceves+Park can give 6-7 combined innings on any given day. Nova and McAllister can spot start if need be.

mr.roy

05-22-10, 08:12 AM

Mark Melancon: 20.1IP/20H/10BB/11ER/6.43ERA
David Robertson: First 21.1IP/18H/10BB/13ER/5.48ERA

Way to go Yankees.

All the more reason JTTP (was/is) a (necessary/smart) choice made by the Yankees.

teknetic

05-22-10, 09:19 AM

All the more reason JTTP (was/is) a (necessary/smart) choice made by the Yankees.

How the balls is this relevant?

justtxyank

05-22-10, 09:31 AM

How the balls is this relevant?

It's his obsession. Let him have it.

Zimmers' Helmet

05-22-10, 12:53 PM

roblyo33

05-22-10, 01:53 PM

teknetic

05-22-10, 02:39 PM

Phil Hughes says hello.

Swing and a miss.

mrmike98

05-22-10, 03:32 PM

Right now the smart money says he won't be in the organization after 7/31/10.

Melan-cynic

05-22-10, 04:25 PM

Swing and a miss.Pretty breezy in here.

mr.roy

05-22-10, 05:21 PM

How the balls is this relevant?

Who said it has to be? You? :lol:
Not my fault you can't figure it out.
It is a true statement however. The fact that the Yankees are fortunate to have Joba in the pen is true.
Could care more what you say. :lol:
Your just another opinion.

mr.roy

05-22-10, 05:24 PM

It's his obsession. Let him have it.

Thank you. You may have yours also.
I'll be sure to let you know when they pop up. Like you don't have any.

gold23

05-22-10, 05:35 PM

Melancon was never given a chance...2 appearance in total spread out 17 days apart isn't going to cut it for any pitcher.

Let the guy pitch at least 5-7 times on a regular basis before deciding whether to keep or demote him.

I hate to say it, but the Yankees are doing absolutely nothing to dispel the notion that they are clueless when it comes to the development of young pitchers.

Agree with the second paragraph that the kid deserves more opportunities...just that he hasn't exactly earned them at the ML level. Continued dominance at AAA with further get him opps, though, so I anticipate he'll be back shortly.

With respect to the first paragraph...the time between appearances would only be relevant if he was dormant in between. He was in the minors pitching.

As for the third....I do think Hughes qualifies. If it weren't for injuries, he was progressing quite well. Joba I think was developed well, save for the bit last year at the end (though I also think he deserves some blame himself for his maddening inconsistency).

Do the Yanks give up too quickly and early with young pitchers? Yes, they do. However, the most important thing is this- they always will. They HAVE to. When you are competing for a WS championship every single year, the ability you have to undergo growing pains with young pitching is much less than just about every single other team. It simply doesn't exist for the Yanks, and as such there will be pitchers who get lost in that shuffle.

teknetic

05-22-10, 05:55 PM

Who said it has to be? You? :lol:
Not my fault you can't figure it out.
It is a true statement however. The fact that the Yankees are fortunate to have Joba in the pen is true.
Could care more what you say. :lol:
Your just another opinion.

So, it doesn't matter what type of discussion people are having, you just interject JTTP whenever you want?

I'm not surprised.

Zimmers' Helmet

05-22-10, 07:15 PM

Phil Hughes says hello.
So does Joba Chamberlain who was bounced from the bullpen to the rotation, back to the bullpen, back to the rotation and back to the bullpen again and has regressed as a result.

So does Ian Kennedy who is currently developing into an ace in Arizona.

Melancon, who gets to pitch every 17 days and when he's not sharp, he's sent down.

Yeah, Hughes says hello now, in spite of the Yankees; not because of them.
Did you already forget how close they almost came to ruining him after tinkering with his mechanics which reduced his velocity and effectiveness for almost 2 years?

Besides Andy Pettitte and Mariano Rivera back in 1995, when was the last time that the Yankees system produced a consistently solid major league pitcher?

You were saying....

themgmt

05-27-10, 09:42 PM

Gaudin Mitre Park Logan?

themgmt

08-29-10, 07:08 AM

I love how the kid just comes up and pitches a solid month in relief... for another team.

Actually no, I flipping hate it.

DontHateOnNumber2

08-29-10, 07:20 AM

I love how the kid just comes up and pitches a solid month in relief... for another team.

Actually no, I flipping hate it.

I hate it, especially when watching us almost blow a 6 run lead in the late innings. Unfreakingbelievable.

JavyVazquezIsSick

08-29-10, 07:22 AM

I wouldn't go too crazy over 8 innings. His walks are a big problem.

ppa79

08-29-10, 10:14 AM

I love how the kid just comes up and pitches a solid month in relief... for another team.

Actually no, I flipping hate it.

I hated to see him go. I thought he could have been a good piece in the bullpen in the future.

So far this trade has been a disaster for Cash. Not so much of letting go of Melancon, more so of Berkman being horrible.

SLURPEE

08-29-10, 10:17 AM

I'm glad he's gone. Talking about how he hated the stadium and something about the fans I think. Douche.

themgmt

08-29-10, 11:06 AM

Just making the point that he's never not been good and deserved an extended look. He never had a walk problem until this year with some adjustments they tried to make.

False1

08-29-10, 12:11 PM

I'm glad he's gone. Talking about how he hated the stadium and something about the fans I think. Douche.The only thing I saw on Melancon was something about how he feel like the fans in Houston have his back. Disappointed that he took that dig, but it's not that big a deal.

I like Melancon and think eventually he will settle in and become a good reliever, and I think he was never really given an opportunity to succeed here. But agree that his 8 IP in Houston so far aren't really the proof in the pudding. He had a really nice outing in extras against Philly, but he also blew a save against the Mets and contributed to a loss against the Marlins. 8 IP, 4 BB, 1 HBP and 1 WP.