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roblyo33
08-07-10, 07:04 PM
He looks awful at the plate and on the bases.
MikeYank
08-08-10, 12:33 AM
He's very fast but he's actually (IMHO) a simply awful base stealer. He has none of the instincts of the great ones.
Awful base stealer?
He's 5th in the AL.
83% successful, one of the best averages in the league.
Awful base stealer? Yeah, maybe compared to Rickey Henderson.
sweet_lou_14
08-08-10, 07:54 AM
Awful base stealer?
He's 5th in the AL.
83% successful, one of the best averages in the league.
Awful base stealer? Yeah, maybe compared to Rickey Henderson.
He doesn't make enough attempts. Not nearly enough attempts for his speed, IMO.
And he makes the batter's job more difficult by not going early in the count -- you can see them taking pitches and getting themselves into worse counts while they wait for him to do something.
Don't get me wrong, I like the player, I just find him to be a little too passive at the plate and on the bases.
And you're right, as my original post made clear, I was comparing him to the truly great ones -- the guys who had not just speed but the instincts to know when to go and the desire to go as early and often as possible.
PirateChief
08-08-10, 08:32 AM
Brett since June 22: .208/.344/.302.
So even in a major slump, he gets on base better than arod and jeter.
I'll complain!!!
foul ball
08-08-10, 08:37 AM
I like him too, and want him to do well. He can be the spark the yankees need. However, he's too predictable at the plate. His recent performance is evidence of that. With his speed I can't believe the yankees don't have him bunting. If he's not good at bunting, he should learn. Practice-practice-practice! He's in the major league!
foul ball
NelsonMuntz
08-08-10, 09:10 AM
He doesn't make enough attempts. Not nearly enough attempts for his speed, IMO.
And he makes the batter's job more difficult by not going early in the count -- you can see them taking pitches and getting themselves into worse counts while they wait for him to do something.
Don't get me wrong, I like the player, I just find him to be a little too passive at the plate and on the bases.
And you're right, as my original post made clear, I was comparing him to the truly great ones -- the guys who had not just speed but the instincts to know when to go and the desire to go as early and often as possible.
^ This. Of the top 10 stolen base leaders in the league right now, Gardner easily has the highest OBP yet only Ichiro has fewer attempted steals. In other words, Gardner is not taking advantage of as many opportunities to steal bases as he could be.
judging his stealing frequency by referring to league wide numbers is presumptuous. maybe the league is stealing too much and getting caught too often.
ChrisNY
08-08-10, 10:56 AM
What is he doing not running on every single pitch...at least against V-Mart
JavyVazquezIsSick
08-08-10, 11:14 AM
He doesn't make enough attempts. Not nearly enough attempts for his speed, IMO.
And he makes the batter's job more difficult by not going early in the count -- you can see them taking pitches and getting themselves into worse counts while they wait for him to do something.
Don't get me wrong, I like the player, I just find him to be a little too passive at the plate and on the bases.
And you're right, as my original post made clear, I was comparing him to the truly great ones -- the guys who had not just speed but the instincts to know when to go and the desire to go as early and often as possible.
The point still stands though, he isn't an awful basestealer, he is a VERY good basestealer, he just doesn't steal as often as he should.
yankee82093
08-08-10, 02:40 PM
I believe he is quoted as saying something along the lines of he ran too much earlier in the season and tired out his legs, and now he feels reluctant to really be aggressive. I don't have a link, and I'm just paraphrasing.
I believe he is quoted as saying something along the lines of he ran too much earlier in the season and tired out his legs, and now he feels reluctant to really be aggressive. I don't have a link, and I'm just paraphrasing.
this might be it .......
“Early in the season I was getting on base a lot and running a lot, and my legs just got a little tired,” he said. “With Curtis (Granderson) out, I didn’t want to push the issue. I need to start running more. I wish I had been running more recently in the last several weeks, but I will. When we need me to try to get into scoring position, I’ll try to. I’m healthy, and I was healthy, it’s just a matter of trying to be smart.”
http://riveraveblues.com/2010/08/brett-gardner-now-with-17-fewer-stolen-bases-33195
yankee82093
08-08-10, 02:47 PM
this might be it .......
“Early in the season I was getting on base a lot and running a lot, and my legs just got a little tired,” he said. “With Curtis (Granderson) out, I didn’t want to push the issue. I need to start running more. I wish I had been running more recently in the last several weeks, but I will. When we need me to try to get into scoring position, I’ll try to. I’m healthy, and I was healthy, it’s just a matter of trying to be smart.”
http://riveraveblues.com/2010/08/brett-gardner-now-with-17-fewer-stolen-bases-33195
Yea that was it, nice job
NelsonMuntz
08-08-10, 03:11 PM
this might be it .......
“Early in the season I was getting on base a lot and running a lot, and my legs just got a little tired,” he said. “With Curtis (Granderson) out, I didn’t want to push the issue. I need to start running more. I wish I had been running more recently in the last several weeks, but I will. When we need me to try to get into scoring position, I’ll try to. I’m healthy, and I was healthy, it’s just a matter of trying to be smart.”
http://riveraveblues.com/2010/08/brett-gardner-now-with-17-fewer-stolen-bases-33195
Thanks for posting this. At least he realizes that he should be running more often.
That's one of the more impressive things about Gardner.
He's very aware of his own shortcomings and he's very willing to work on them. It takes a while for results to show but he's got them every time so far.
Meanwhile, every time he struggles and act like another Yankee with low baseball IQ, I'll just look at his team leading (No. 2 behind Cano now) OBP and live with him.
Still pains me to watch him fail to read pitchers but I rather have him stay put than get thrown out.
I'm not complaining about Gardner's production. We're getting way more than anyone thought we'd get - even the biggest Gardner advocates. That said, I'm in the camp that's a little perplexed why he doesn't run more. With this OBP and with Jeter hitting behind him I'd think he'd be running at will (although Jeter's P/PA probably isn't helping). I'm also surprised Girardi doesn't hit and run more often with Gardner/Jeter.
Thanks for posting this. At least he realizes that he should be running more often.
i think it was you and yankee82093 that were on him for that. i was just a messenger here !! cheers
ICEBERG18
08-09-10, 04:16 PM
Didn't Girardi have to talk to him about being more aggressive on the bases last year? I think he didn't even steal a base once when Girardi told him to last year.
teknetic
08-09-10, 04:19 PM
He's sort of a useless pinch runner. Has he stolen 3B this year?
SLURPEE
08-09-10, 04:19 PM
Umm he needs to go early. Why the need to see 5-8 pitches?
The Q Bomb
08-09-10, 04:24 PM
That's all very well and good that he realizes he needs to run more. Frankly, I'm not interested in what he realizes. I see people like Ellsbury running like squirrels and making us look like fools and I see Gardner standing on first base like he's waiting for a bus - it bothers me.
To me, Boston always looks fearless when they play us, whether they win or lose. The Yanks always look like they are trying not to lose. This game is making me sick. Do The Yankees remember what a big hit is?
Did he think that Bench or I-Rod were catching?
He's sort of a useless pinch runner. Has he stolen 3B this year?
I think he stole 3rd a couple of weeks ago during the Royals series. But other than that, I can't think of too many times he's done that.
teknetic
08-09-10, 04:27 PM
To me, Boston always looks fearless when they play us, whether they win or lose. The Yanks always look like they are trying not to lose. This game is making me sick. Do The Yankees remember what a big hit is?
The Sox needed to win 3/4 to stay alive, they didn't. Why are you so emo?
He's sort of a useless pinch runner. Has he stolen 3B this year?I just do not understand why he doesn't run early. That situation was begging for a steal of 2nd yet Gardner just wasn't aggressive.
CyYoung4Vazquez
08-09-10, 04:39 PM
I just do not understand why he doesn't run early. That situation was begging for a steal of 2nd yet Gardner just wasn't aggressive.
Cannot understand why he didn't bother trying to steal second in the 8th. Meanwhile Jeter stole one in the 9th.
ThePinStripes
08-09-10, 04:44 PM
He's sort of a useless pinch runner. Has he stolen 3B this year?
I dont know, but I do remember several occasions where he didn't attempt to steal 2nd. The only way it could have been any easier would be with wakefield on the mound. Bard and Vmart = gimme.
Torre Must Go
08-09-10, 04:47 PM
I don't think anything will change with Gardner's basrunning this season, but next season he has to take the next step. With his speed, he needs to learn how to be more aggressive and pick up pitchers and catchers better
As a good base runner, you need to read pitchers well. His SB% is good and he's fast. But he takes too much time to read the pitchers.
SLURPEE
08-09-10, 04:52 PM
What I find ridiculous about the whole needing to read the pitcher is, it's not like he was called up a week ago. He's SEEN these pitchers before. Shouldn't he know their deliveries by now?
Also it's not as if he has average speed. He has to realize by now that he does not need either a great jump or to go on the perfect pitch to steal a base.
I just do not understand why he doesn't run early. That situation was begging for a steal of 2nd yet Gardner just wasn't aggressive.
yes, a head scratcher. then he's on third one out after the cano grounder. with a LHP on the mound, you can understand it. but a power pitcher w leg kick and v mart behind the plate, it is very odd indeed.
The Q Bomb
08-09-10, 05:07 PM
The Sox needed to win 3/4 to stay alive, they didn't. Why are you so emo? Because I hate to lose and I can't stand to lose to Boston - not even one game during the season. I also hate that we make folks like Ellsbury, Varitek, Mike Lowell, Youkilis, Pedroia and Big Papi, look like Supermen, when they play us. I understand they are all good players (well, except Varitek), especially the last three but they get up for The Yankees in a way The Yankees never seem to get up for them. I've seen Pedroia come out of a 0 - 15 slump to get three hits against The Yanks. Look at Ellsbury today. And Big Papi - half his salary was built on making The Yankees look intimidated by him. Ugh!
PS i'm not watching the postgame but a friend just emailed me and said girardi was not pleased w gardner being so passive on the bases, said he had to be more aggressive trying to steal second. "he was not happy with him". well OK, at least there's a light on in the attic ........
PS i'm not watching the postgame but a friend just emailed me and said girardi was not pleased w gardner being so passive on the bases, said he had to be more aggressive trying to steal second. "he was not happy with him". well OK, at least there's a light on in the attic ........But the problem is, Girardi already has spoken to Gardner about being more aggressive........last year. I just do not understand what Gardner was thinking today as he was PR for a reason: to steal a base.
sweet_lou_14
08-09-10, 07:07 PM
The point still stands though, he isn't an awful basestealer, he is a VERY good basestealer, he just doesn't steal as often as he should.
This is semantics. Yes, he is good at stealing when he manages to get a good jump. No, he is not good at getting a good jump. Nor is he aggressive enough even when the catcher is so bad that a great jump is not necessary.
Bottom line, when you pinch-run for A-Rod and you fail to steal the base after about 6 pitches, you are not a good base stealer.
Huktonfonix
08-09-10, 07:20 PM
The point still stands though, he isn't an awful basestealer, he is a VERY good basestealer, he just doesn't steal as often as he should.
Arod isn't an awful home run hitter this season. He's a very good home run hitter. He just doesn't hit home runs as often as he should.
Granderson isn't an awful hitter. He is a very good hitter. He just doesn't hit as often as he should.
Nick Johnson isn't an awful DH. He is a very good DH. He just doesn't DH as often as he should.
Alfredo Aceves isn't an awful pitcher. He is a very good pitcher. He just doesn't pitch as often as he should.
the_coach
08-09-10, 08:09 PM
If he isn't going to run early in the count...leave him on the bench until someone gets on second.
Gardner is fast but he's an awful base runner.
teknetic
08-09-10, 08:23 PM
I think this explains why Girardi always bunts him over to second when he's on first.
ChrisNY
08-09-10, 08:40 PM
If he isn't going to run early in the count...leave him on the bench until someone gets on second.
Gardner is fast but he's an awful base runner.
He's not an awful base runner at all, he's just way too passive, especially considering his speed
roblyo33
08-09-10, 09:37 PM
He's not an awful base runner at all, he's just way too passive, especially considering his speed
That makes him an awful baserunner.
I love Gardner, but this is getting frustrating. It's bad enough that he doesn't use his elite speed in lower leverage scenarios, but when you take Alex Rodriguez out of the game and you're down by a run, you need to put that elite skill to use. Why is he so hesitant in those spots? I don't get it frankly.
......I just do not understand what Gardner was thinking today as he was PR for a reason: to steal a base.
girardi was clearly annoyed with this postgame, and replied to the Q on this simply, "he was put in there to run."
and the thing is, it's not like a LHP with a great move was on the mound. it was a righty power guy with a big leg kick and v mart catching and the O sucking and needing to scratch out one run. this was not rocket science !!
roblyo33
08-09-10, 10:06 PM
girardi was clearly annoyed with this postgame, and replied to the Q on this simply, "he was put in there to run."
and the thing is, it's not like a LHP with a great move was on the mound. it was a righty power guy with a big leg kick and v mart catching and the O sucking and needing to scratch out one run. this was not rocket science !!
GGBG is not a rocket scientist. He is a rocket on the bases who doesn't use his talents.
NelsonMuntz
08-09-10, 10:12 PM
Thanks for posting this. At least he realizes that he should be running more often.
Or not :(
i havent seen this game yet but yeah... this is indefensible. he'll surely learn after this day.
the best basestealers are arrogant beyond their abilities; they have to be. one can't be afraid of being thrown out.
ThePinStripes
08-09-10, 11:35 PM
He's not an awful base runner at all, he's just way too passive, especially considering his speed
He was held on by Bard and Vmart.
Ever heard the expression "you miss all the shots you don't take?"
Yeah, well, we lost the shot gardner didn't take today.
He really needs to study more tapes. He was finally going on the 7th pitch and may have stopped a GDIP but he really needs to go earlier. It doesn't have to be first move. He just needs to go as soon as the pitcher moves toward the plate.
flymick24
08-10-10, 01:27 AM
even if bard pitches out, with vmart throwing he could have had 2nd stolen easily with a good jump
he's fast, but his baseball IQ is low... and he doesn't do all the things that players of his mold are supposed to be doing well (i.e. bunting for hits, running with frequency, etc.)
Huktonfonix
08-10-10, 08:55 AM
He did the same thing in the playoffs last year. I'm a bit confused as to the value of a pinch runner who does not run (and I imagine Girardi is feeling the same way).
I also think the SB total is a bit deceptive this year, as it seems like when he does take second it is often too late in the count for the hitter to do anything productive about the RISP. I see people taking a lot of hittable pitches so that he can steal, and him standing still.
Short of poring over game logs and looking at the pitch-by-pitch of the batters who follow Gardner, does anyone know where I can find data on pitches seen per steal attempt? Does anyone record that? I'd love to see whether it supports my anectdotal observations that he waits deeper into the count than most elite baserunners.
Lifelong Fan
08-10-10, 11:32 AM
Gardner needs major confidence. There are guys who can steal bases and there are guys that cause havoc on the bases. They make the pitcher think about them all the time, they make the defense rush and they make the catchers hurry and call many fastballs. Gardner needs to act like he did early with the Yankees. He needs to be aggressive which takes confidence. All games count, but I wish he would use these games to be aggresive and hopefully gain confidence before the playoffs. Joe G. should say I want you to steal early and often. Steal second and then on to third on the next pitch. Maybe Rickey Henderson could work with him. Question? Do you think Captain Jeter might have sent Gardner a little signal when Jeter stole second in the ninth?
BronxYanks45
08-10-10, 12:42 PM
Girardi used Gardner for one purpose only and that was to steal 2nd. No friggin idea why he didnt
He's disruptive but he should be more so. I agree. He waits for pitches, trying to read the pitcher and guess no pitchout. I say screw it....put tremendous pressure on the other club and go, go, go. If you get caught, you get caught. Move on, next. He looks for the optimal time (and he is good at that, considering him %), but I prefer a little more aggression. Henderson got caught 42 times one year! He also stole 130.
wileedog
08-10-10, 03:15 PM
Eh, he's young and a lot of people this time last year thought there was no way was he going to stick in the majors. I'm sure as he gains more confidence and less fear of making mistakes, as well as gets to know the pitcher's moves better, he will get more aggressive.
ZIM 2002
08-10-10, 03:20 PM
I thought he had said in an interview earlier in the year that he doesn't need to time the pitcher because of his speed? I agree that he looks like he has lost confidence or is now afraid of getting caught, now that all teams know he is going to try to steal.
LIYanks
08-10-10, 03:35 PM
Or maybe he is wearing down a bit, just saying.
I thought he had said in an interview earlier in the year that he doesn't need to time the pitcher because of his speed? I agree that he looks like he has lost confidence or is now afraid of getting caught, now that all teams know he is going to try to steal.
That's before he got picked off twice in the same game on May 31st.
His SB slump was already in progress even before that as pitchers spent more time throwing to first than to home plate.
parkerstrong
08-10-10, 09:09 PM
Book is out on Gardner....just throw it down the middle and he takes it. He needs to be more (selectively) aggressive at the beginning of his at-bats so the pitcher doesn't keep laying it down the middle. The slump that brings him back down to earth is here.
themgmt
08-10-10, 09:11 PM
Right around the most games he's ever played. Not too surprised. He'll work through it, though not with a 5ft high strike zone
I think he needs to sit a few games to clear his mind.
Right around the most games he's ever played. Not too surprised. He'll work through it, though not with a 5ft high strike zone
that was a really bad call in a big spot, huge swing in the count. gardner has been sucking wind lately, but it also seems he has been getting more than his share of bad calls.
Prince Hal
08-10-10, 09:40 PM
Um he's not a good ml player.useful but no star
A poor mans coco crisp.
Um he's not a good ml player.useful but no star
A poor mans coco crisp.
A poor mans Coco "94 OPS+" Crisp is a useful player?
Prince Hal
08-10-10, 09:57 PM
A poor mans Mitch Webster.
A real inferior version of juan pierre.
Sub par version of Gary Pettis.
An outfield version of Homer Bush.
teknetic
08-10-10, 09:59 PM
Your logic is poor.
Inferior version of Juan Pierre. :lol:
Prince Hal
08-10-10, 10:14 PM
Looks to follow the career path of Jason Tyner.
A real inferior version of juan pierre.
unpossible
NYYRules#1
08-10-10, 11:11 PM
A poor mans Mitch Webster.
A real inferior version of juan pierre.
Sub par version of Gary Pettis.
An outfield version of Homer Bush.
Classic. :lol:
Yankee Tripper
08-11-10, 11:16 AM
I'm still hoping for Brett Butler v2.0 - 40 SB a year, .290 AVE - 110 OPS+, more BBs than Ks.
His recent slump in August is more trobling than his July slide
In July when he hit just .221 at least he drew 18 BB (though the 19Ks were a tad high)
But in August he's just 2/26 but more worriesome is his 0 BB / 11 K ratio - 42% K rate OUCH. The one K last night was excusable stike 2 was above the letters and strike 3 looks just off the outside edge but thats not the excuse on the other 10 this month - the return of the Ks to Brett's repetoire is not a welcome sight.
roblyo33
08-11-10, 11:41 AM
Brett- You bring a bat to the plate for a reason - use it.
that was a really bad call in a big spot, huge swing in the count. gardner has been sucking wind lately, but it also seems he has been getting more than his share of bad calls.
Frankly, he's becoming a bit of a cry-baby with the umpires. He's standing there like the Statue of Liberty, but with a bat instead of a torch. This is the Gardner many of us thought, last year, was the real Gardner: great speed, good glove, weak bat. I certainly thought so and was surprised by how well he performed in April-June. Now, I'm undecided but leaning again back to my last year's view.
jimmykey2
08-11-10, 04:49 PM
Frankly, he's becoming a bit of a cry-baby with the umpires. He's standing there like the Statue of Liberty, but with a bat instead of a torch. This is the Gardner many of us thought, last year, was the real Gardner: great speed, good glove, weak bat. I certainly thought so and was surprised by how well he performed in April-June. Now, I'm undecided but leaning again back to my last year's view.
I didn't care for Gardner at all when he came up (I believe I referred to him as "Noodle Bat"), but I think this is unfair. This stretch we've seen looks like a slump caused by a crisis of confidence. It doesn't appear to be due to a lack of talent or some serious hole in his ability to hit (like Cervelli). Pitchers just aren't handing him walks anymore, so he's going to have to hit the ball like he did earlier in the season.
He slumped before (although not this badly) and I expect him to pick it up at some point.
I didn't care for Gardner at all when he came up (I believe I referred to him as "Noodle Bat"), but I think this is unfair. This stretch we've seen looks like a slump caused by a crisis of confidence. It doesn't appear to be due to a lack of talent or some serious hole in his ability to hit (like Cervelli). Pitchers just aren't handing him walks anymore, so he's going to have to hit the ball like he did earlier in the season.
He slumped before (although not this badly) and I expect him to pick it up at some point.
He's actually still walking at a good clip at 14.6%.
He's just not hitting, you know, kind of like what Nick Johnson was doing before he headed to the DL.
Yankee Tripper
08-11-10, 05:59 PM
He's actually still walking at a good clip at 14.6%.
He's just not hitting, you know, kind of like what Nick Johnson was doing before he headed to the DL.
0 BB and 11 K in August - the walks have disappeared lately. SSS admitedly but it has been 30 PAs since his last BB.
Would it kill Brett to actually lift the bat off his shoulders during an at-bat?
NewEraYanks2527
08-11-10, 11:04 PM
Would it kill Brett to actually lift the bat off his shoulders during an at-bat?
You mean like when he constantly fouls off pitches and wears pitchers down?
Yeah he is not an everyday player at all, just waiting for his stats to come back to earth, it's still early.
jimmykey2
08-11-10, 11:09 PM
Good to see Brett alive again...
2 wonderful ABs late and he stole the freakin' base.
NewEraYanks2527
08-11-10, 11:10 PM
Good to see Brett alive again...
2 wonderful ABs late and he stole the freakin' base.
About friggin time.
I'm still hoping for Brett Butler v2.0 - 40 SB a year, .290 AVE - 110 OPS+, more BBs than Ks.
His recent slump in August is more trobling than his July slide
In July when he hit just .221 at least he drew 18 BB (though the 19Ks were a tad high)
But in August he's just 2/26 but more worriesome is his 0 BB / 11 K ratio - 42% K rate OUCH. The one K last night was excusable stike 2 was above the letters and strike 3 looks just off the outside edge but thats not the excuse on the other 10 this month - the return of the Ks to Brett's repetoire is not a welcome sight.
I agree with the concerns mentioned below, but concerning the Butler comparison:
Butler's average career numbers projected over 162-game full season and 600 PAs:
<TABLE id=batting_standard class="sortable stats_table"><TFOOT><TR class=" stat_total" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right>.290</TD><TD align=right>/.377</TD><TD align=right>/.376</TD><TD align=right>/.753</TD><TD align=right>........ 110 OPS+</TD></TR></TFOOT><TBODY></TBODY></TABLE>
40 SB, 4 HR
Gardner's numbers so far this yr through only 400 PA:
<TABLE id=batting_standard class="sortable stats_table"><TBODY><TR style="BACKGROUND-IMAGE: url(/images/aqua.png)" id=batting_standard.2010 class=full onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this); onclick=sum_span(this);><TD align=right>.279</TD><TD align=right>/.375</TD><TD align=right>/.376</TD><TD align=right>/.751</TD><TD align=right> ....... 108 OPS+
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
31 SB, 5 HR
Gardner outpaces him in both HRs (8 over 600 PA) and SB (50 over 600 PA)
Of course, Gardner is platooned a little bit, but the point remains. If you were lookin for Brett Butler, you got 'em.
2 wonderful ABs late and he stole the freakin' base.
yes, HUGE ABs !!
BRNXBMRS
08-12-10, 09:22 AM
Great to see Brett steal a base again. Welcome back.
Yankee Tripper
08-12-10, 10:25 AM
IOf course, Gardner is platooned a little bit, but the point remains. If you were lookin for Brett Butler, you got 'em.
I kind of meant over the course of BG's career, not a 4 month sample. I've used the BB comp before as a speed guy who also drew walks despite the lack of power.
And I'm well aware that BGs 4 months this year are in line with BBs career averages.
I'm also well aware that BB was a below average hitter for much of his first few seasons in the bigs.
parkerstrong
08-17-10, 07:27 AM
Got to give some love to Gardner for his hard slide into second base last night.....too bad Guillen took the hit and made the throw. Guillen looked hurt after the game though....
0-2 with 2 walks is a good night.....starting to get that OBP back up
Resistable Force
08-17-10, 07:46 AM
Cute one-hop bunt leading off the ninth inning Sunday. Just what the team needed. This guy is not an everyday player.
Zimmers' Helmet
08-17-10, 08:55 AM
Cute one-hop bunt leading off the ninth inning Sunday. Just what the team needed. This guy is not an everyday player.
.375 OBP, 30+ SB and gold glove caliber defense isn't good enough to be an everyday player?
Interesting.
.375 OBP, 30+ SB and gold glove caliber defense isn't good enough to be an everyday player?
Interesting.
that message was brought to you by the swisher-is-a-4th-outfielder and cervelli-must-catch-every-day fan clubs !! too much.
teknetic
08-17-10, 09:51 AM
Cute one-hop bunt leading off the ninth inning Sunday. Just what the team needed. This guy is not an everyday player.
You're terrible at this. New hobby?
sweet_lou_14
08-17-10, 04:50 PM
Got to give some love to Gardner for his hard slide into second base last night.....too bad Guillen took the hit and made the throw.
Worth repeating -- that was a good hard slide. Almost kept the game alive.
Worth repeating -- that was a good hard slide. Almost kept the game alive.
yep, 100%.
parkerstrong
08-18-10, 03:02 PM
Worth repeating -- that was a good hard slide. Almost kept the game alive.
That good hard slide that I love has put Guillen on the DL. Next time Gardner is coming at you at second base, you should get out of the way!
http://www.blessyouboys.com/2010/8/18/1629582/deja-vu-dept-guillen-on-dl-rhymes
JavyVazquezIsSick
08-18-10, 03:08 PM
Brett- You bring a bat to the plate for a reason - use it.
Is this really necessary?
I hate how negative this board has become.
roblyo33
08-18-10, 03:49 PM
Is this really necessary?
I hate how negative this board has become.
When he swings, good things happen. btw........cute
DRobertsonNYY
08-18-10, 05:00 PM
Is this really necessary?
I hate how negative this board has become.
:lol: :lol:
http://www.thirdwave-websites.com/blog/irony-meter.gif
MassNYYfan
08-18-10, 06:17 PM
Well I knew that HBP was coming eventually after that slide in Game 1.
I only saw yesterday's slide once at full speed, once in slow mo... definitely got his hands up there, but it appeared to be a good, hard, clean slide. Sucks that Guillen got hurt (and that he made a fine play to complete the DP) but did that really call for Gardner to get beaned? Guillen's pretty fragile right? I mean, I'd be pissed to have Cano or Jeter hit the DL on a slide but if it's clean...
well, of course they are going to do it.
It's not like Bonderman was aiming for Gardner's head. He was probably just trying to hit Gardy somewhere with a lot of meat... like on the behind.
It's not like Bonderman was aiming for Gardner's head. He was probably just trying to hit Gardy somewhere with a lot of meat... like on the behind.But for what? Because he made the same play every player is coached to make? It was clean, he didn't spike him, he intended to break up the DP and he didn't. It's not even like he barrelled over Guillen. Guillen was able to make the play. Sucks that he got injured, but I don't see the purpose of beaning Gardner. Not a huge deal I guess, it translated into a run for the Yankees, so...
JavyVazquezIsSick
08-20-10, 06:28 AM
:lol: :lol:
http://www.thirdwave-websites.com/blog/irony-meter.gif
1) Whooooooooooooooooooooosh
2) :roflmao: at how much you are all over my balls...So so so so good and cute
But for what? Because he made the same play every player is coached to make? It was clean, he didn't spike him, he intended to break up the DP and he didn't. It's not even like he barrelled over Guillen. Guillen was able to make the play. Sucks that he got injured, but I don't see the purpose of beaning Gardner. Not a huge deal I guess, it translated into a run for the Yankees, so...
I'll go so far as to say that Guillen injured himself. He planted his leg right on the bag (something most 2B rarely do on plays not even partially close), and chose to hang in there to complete the play. Tough play on his part, but he hung himself out to dry there. He could've passed through the bag or jumped. Would've resulted in likely not getting the out at first, but choosing to plant and hang was putting himself in harm's way.
Good, clean slide. Shame it resulted in an injury, but it's at least as much Guillen's doing as Gardner's.
Good, clean slide. Shame it resulted in an injury, but it's at least as much Guillen's doing as Gardner's.
100%. damon is still squawking about it. http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/yankeesblog/damon_still_not_happy_with_gardner_BI5JFLwMbhL3RAWEeIkvGM
STFU johnny !!
flymick24
08-20-10, 01:56 PM
:lol: :lol:
http://www.thirdwave-websites.com/blog/irony-meter.gif
you realize that patronizing people is just as a-holish as being negative on this board, right?
Hellsing
08-20-10, 02:13 PM
you realize that patronizing people is just as a-holish as being negative on this board, right?
Actually, it's worse, which is why I will always remain an a-hole.
Blaming Gardner for Guillen, aka Man of Glass II, getting hurt is akin to blaming Kearns for...
nevermind.
foul ball
08-21-10, 07:42 AM
regarding gardner's offense
he's become much too predictable. he needs to jump on those early strikes. pitchers are throwing two strikes than four in the dirt which gardner no longer has the dicipline or confidence to take. he's also subject to a lot of bad calls. he has the talent, he needs to play smarter.
HUGE assist -- again -- from brett. his arm in LF is now a weapon. who'd a thunk it (aside from JVIS, that is) ??!!
regarding gardner's offense
he's become much too predictable. he needs to jump on those early strikes. pitchers are throwing two strikes than four in the dirt which gardner no longer has the dicipline or confidence to take. he's also subject to a lot of bad calls. he has the talent, he needs to play smarter.In his second at bat Morrow grooved him a fastball right in the heart of the plate that he took for a called strike. He then threw a pretty dirty breaking ball for a called strike two. I love that he sees a lot of pitches, works the pitcher deep into counts... but it seems like guys are now just pouring pitches in there knowing he's taking all the way. He should offer at those from time to time to keep the pitcher honest.
Gardner is a tough at bat but naturally he's a far different hitters after two strikes (.616 OPS, although the sOPS+ there is 132).
When he's ahead in the count, he's .333 / .549 / .564.
Not saying he should radically change his approach, it's clearly worked this year - recent production notwithstanding. But he needs to be aggressive from time to time from just handing a natural advantage to the pitcher before he even steps in the box.
In his second at bat Morrow grooved him a fastball right in the heart of the plate that he took for a called strike. He then threw a pretty dirty breaking ball for a called strike two. I love that he sees a lot of pitches, works the pitcher deep into counts... but it seems like guys are now just pouring pitches in there knowing he's taking all the way. He should offer at those from time to time to keep the pitcher honest.
Gardner is a tough at bat but naturally he's a far different hitters after two strikes (.616 OPS, although the sOPS+ there is 132).
When he's ahead in the count, he's .333 / .549 / .564.
Not saying he should radically change his approach, it's clearly worked this year - recent production notwithstanding. But he needs to be aggressive from time to time from just handing a natural advantage to the pitcher before he even steps in the box.
Gardner rarely swings with zero strikes, be it the first pitch or when he's ahead in the count. IMO that neutralizes his ability somewhat.
in 441 PA
First pitch: *12 AB, 8 H
1-0 Count: 8 AB, 3 H
2-0 Count: 10 AB, 5 H
3-0 Count: never
* One or two of those may be foul/failed SH attempts?
BRNXBMRS
08-24-10, 07:57 AM
10 assists!!! Where did he get this arm?
What a bunch of Homers... That was not a clean slide. Clean hard slides are dirt, then base, then take out the player, not the other way around! I mean come on, did any of you actually see the slide? Yeesh.
Yankee Tripper
08-24-10, 04:47 PM
What a bunch of Homers... That was not a clean slide. Clean hard slides are dirt, then base, then take out the player, not the other way around! I mean come on, did any of you actually see the slide? Yeesh.The Guillen slide? Even Leyland said it was clean. Gullien has never really played 2B before, he didn't clear out like your are supposed too.
But I had no problem with Gardner eating dirt the next day, that's the way you handle it and move one.
I agree, Gardner knew it was coming, and he trotted to first so it should have been done. What else is Leyland going to say? Who do you think ordered it done?
Yankee Tripper
08-24-10, 04:54 PM
What else is Leyland going to say? Who do you think ordered it done?
leyalnd rarely sugar coats anyting, if he tought it was BS slide by Gradner you can bet your sweet ass he'd have said so, probably in quite colorful terms.
Ordered it? Players can generally take care of it themselves w/o orders for management.
It's not even the velocity. It's the insane accuracy.
Other than the airmail to the dugout I can't remember an offline throw from Gardner this season.
holy sheisse! just saw the throw gardner made on Fred Lewis the other day. from the center of LF on a plus runner. wowza
Even w/ the recent long period of suckitude he still has a .381 OBP.
With his defense he's still a big plus.
Even w/ the recent long period of suckitude he still has a .381 OBP.
With his defense he's still a big plus.
This is what has surprised me the most. Through mini-slumps earlier in the year and now this pro-longed slump he seems to be going through his OPB has remained steady. Well done Brett.
Now, you just need to work on reading pitchers better/faster and how to properly lay down a bunt.
ZIM 2002
08-27-10, 09:35 AM
True, and for a player who should be the type that bunts well, with his speed, he certainly has made some awful attempts!
Crawford has been in the league for nearly a decade and he still can't bunt...
Yankee Tripper
08-27-10, 10:45 AM
True, and for a player who should be the type that bunts well, with his speed, he certainly has made some awful attempts!I think this was covered a lot in spring. Apparently when Brett first came to the minors he was a decent bunter but he went away from in because teh Yanks wanted him to work on his swing more and he has never regained the form. Hopefully it is something he can work on in he offseason and incorporate into his game, but not every one is good at bunting for a base hit.
This is what has surprised me the most. Through mini-slumps earlier in the year and now this pro-longed slump he seems to be going through his OPB has remained steady. Well done Brett.
Now, you just need to work on reading pitchers better/faster and how to properly lay down a bunt.
"Pro-longed slump" or reversion to his mean?
teknetic
08-28-10, 01:30 AM
He's not a sub .700 OPS (or even his .598 month of August) type-player.
OPS by month:
April - .782
May - .742
June - 1.006
July - .713
Aug - .598
also,
.278/.409/.361/.770 over the last 2 weeks (45 PAs)
NelsonMuntz
08-29-10, 02:15 PM
Steal!!!!!!
sweet_lou_14
08-29-10, 05:04 PM
Steal!!!!!!
At all times
JohnnyEllis
08-29-10, 05:07 PM
Just wanna say that beating the DP throw was totally amazing. Didn't amount to anything, but it could have.
Just wanna say that beating the DP throw was totally amazing. Didn't amount to anything, but it could have.
yeah, the announcers were shocked he made it !! plus GW RBI, nice effort in a HUUUUUUGE W.
despite the august slump, brett has done almost everything i expected from him this season and more. i wouldn't have predicted his kind of OBP but it hasn't surprised me. don't like how often he's been struck out looking (or arguing) but for a guy who hits 9th, i can live with it. have always been impressed with his arm. however he's the sort of guy who'll get two assists next year when people stop running on him unless there is no way he makes the throw.
all i'd ask of him, is to lay down a bunt one or twice a week.
Yankee Tripper
08-30-10, 01:39 PM
all i'd ask of him, is to lay down a bunt one or twice a week.
but not like the ones he tried last series against Chicago, kthx
BRNXBMRS
08-31-10, 07:36 AM
Amazing stat Gardner hits with a 3-2 count @ 22% of the time.
despite the august slump, brett has done almost everything i expected from him this season and more. i wouldn't have predicted his kind of OBP but it hasn't surprised me. don't like how often he's been struck out looking (or arguing) but for a guy who hits 9th, i can live with it. have always been impressed with his arm. however he's the sort of guy who'll get two assists next year when people stop running on him unless there is no way he makes the throw.
all i'd ask of him, is to lay down a bunt one or twice a week.
I believe this aspect of his game is what he Will work on in the off-season. He should be a much better bunter then he shows. i remember him in Staten Island, and he bunted a bit there. Now he seems to be unable to bunt at all.
If he would bunt on a regular basis, he would be a .300+ hitter, with a .400 OBP.
TEPLimey
08-31-10, 10:42 AM
I believe this aspect of his game is what he Will work on in the off-season. He should be a much better bunter then he shows. i remember him in Staten Island, and he bunted a bit there. Now he seems to be unable to bunt at all.
If he would bunt on a regular basis, he would be a .300+ hitter, with a .400 OBP.
I have heard this about Brett Gardner for the past 2 seasons. I will believe it when I see it.
nnysiny
08-31-10, 10:44 AM
Amazing stat Gardner hits with a 3-2 count @ 22% of the time.
his 4.61 P/PA is obscene. that is the highest P/PA since at least 2002, which is as far as ESPN's P/PA stat goes
his 4.61 P/PA is obscene. that is the highest P/PA since at least 2002, which is as far as ESPN's P/PA stat goes
Gardner's 4.61 P/PA is the highest at least as far back as 1988. This is on BR.
BRNXBMRS
08-31-10, 12:20 PM
his 4.61 P/PA is obscene. that is the highest P/PA since at least 2002, which is as far as ESPN's P/PA stat goes
Carl Crawford who?
murpjf88
08-31-10, 12:25 PM
Carl Crawford who?
More like Curtis Granderson who?
Gardner's 4.61 P/PA is the highest at least as far back as 1988. This is on BR.
holy ................ :eek:
I would love it if Gardner could bunt better...
But truthfully, I am more interested in the untapped power Kevin Long has been talking about.
Gardner with speed, plate discipline, and 10HR (I am not even asking for much) power would be one of the best OFs in the game even if he bunts worse than... I don't know, Vlad Guerrero (does he even know how to bunt?)
Metroidman
08-31-10, 01:43 PM
I have heard this about Brett Gardner for the past 2 seasons. I will believe it when I see it.
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Pretty close don't you think?
TEPLimey
08-31-10, 02:01 PM
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Pretty close don't you think?
I meant that he was "working" on his bunt in the offseason
BRNXBMRS
08-31-10, 03:26 PM
More like Curtis Granderson who?
Since he worked with Long he's been hitting.
holy ................ :eek:
P/PA only go back as far as 1988 on BR. Gardner may have the all time high in recorded history. Even Rickey topped out at 4.54.
ChrisNY
08-31-10, 03:53 PM
Who cares about bunting, if he can great, if not he can just keep doing what he's doing. Maybe bunting will screw with his patient approach, and put him in some bad counts.
I don't recall him having such a great arm in the minors but he's been gunning guys down left and right
3rd in the AL with 10 outfield assists
I don't recall him having such a great arm in the minors but he's been gunning guys down left and right
3rd in the AL with 10 outfield assists
Gets to the ball quickly (obviously), gets rid of it, and is accurate. Arm strength is average, but all of those factors create a somewhat surprising effect.
Should have had another one last night, too, if Pena scoops it cleanly.
Who cares about bunting, if he can great, if not he can just keep doing what he's doing. Maybe bunting will screw with his patient approach, and put him in some bad counts.
Bunting is another weapon that his arsenal could use. Being able to draw corner IF in could help produce a few hits.
Bunting is another weapon that his arsenal could use. Being able to draw corner IF in could help produce a few hits.
It's just if he could work on only two things (reasonable, since time isn't unlimited) in the coming off season, I rather he work on his swing (Long says Gardy has untapped power) and reading opposing pitchers on the bases.
BennyTheJetRodriguez
09-01-10, 05:42 AM
Who cares about bunting, if he can great, if not he can just keep doing what he's doing. Maybe bunting will screw with his patient approach, and put him in some bad counts.Agreed. Bunting is a strategy best employed early in the count. Gardner's whole offensive game is based around him working the count. More of this with a bit more power would be :drool: as far as I'm concerned.
BennyTheJetRodriguez
09-01-10, 05:47 AM
It's just if he could work on only two things (reasonable, since time isn't unlimited) in the coming off season, I rather he work on his swing (Long says Gardy has untapped power) and reading opposing pitchers on the bases.The power is the big thing. Adding ~5 more HR and 5-10 more 2B a year is going to do a lot more for his production than adding 15-20 bunt singles/hits with the infield in.
Kluivert4Ever
09-01-10, 09:00 AM
The power is the big thing. Adding ~5 more HR and 5-10 more 2B a year is going to do a lot more for his production than adding 15-20 bunt singles/hits with the infield in.
Of course, but which aspect is easier to master? The bunting hands down. Even if he works on his swing its no guarantee he will hit 5 more HR and 5-10 2B hits but I´ll be damned if he cant become a good bunter if he practices it (now if he already has and cant then by all means squash it because then he never will be able to master it).
Gets to the ball quickly (obviously), gets rid of it, and is accurate. Arm strength is average, but all of those factors create a somewhat surprising effect.
Should have had another one last night, too, if Pena scoops it cleanly.I remember last year the Melky Club was still drooling over his arm and complaining about Brett's. Several of us tried to make this argument... that Melky had more arm strength, but took forever to load and was really getting erratic with his throws. Can't count how many times I got mocked for arguing that Brett's arm is not a pea shooter.
Of course, but which aspect is easier to master? The bunting hands down. Even if he works on his swing its no guarantee he will hit 5 more HR and 5-10 2B hits but I´ll be damned if he cant become a good bunter if he practices it (now if he already has and cant then by all means squash it because then he never will be able to master it).
Good point. To further it the two areas, swing and bunting, aren't mutually exclusive. He can practice both.
BennyTheJetRodriguez
09-01-10, 11:25 AM
Good point. To further it the two areas, swing and bunting, aren't mutually exclusive. He can practice both. For the past three years he's been working on his hitting and basically ignoring the bunt aspect of his game. I would argue that its easier to adjust his lifting program and continue the work that he has already been doing with his swing, rather than basically re-learn how to bunt. Especially since his hitting is much more important than his bunting.
Yankee Tripper
09-01-10, 11:30 AM
For the past three years he's been working on his hitting and basically ignoring the bunt aspect of his game. I would argue that its easier to adjust his lifting program and continue the work that he has already been doing with his swing, rather than basically re-learn how to bunt. Especially since his hitting is much more important than his bunting.
I disagree if he could become a decent bunter he could easily hit .300 annually.
Though not all fast guys can bunt, Rajai Davis has worked on bunting, he just sucks at it. I think he has 1 bunt single all year.
Other guys can make it a valuable part of their game. Elvis Andrus for example is 19/34 on bunts for a .526 AVE.
BennyTheJetRodriguez
09-01-10, 12:59 PM
I disagree if he could become a decent bunter he could easily hit .300 annually.
Though not all fast guys can bunt, Rajai Davis has worked on bunting, he just sucks at it. I think he has 1 bunt single all year.
Other guys can make it a valuable part of their game. Elvis Andrus for example is 19/34 on bunts for a .526 AVE. a .300 avg is nice, but doing so by working on his bunting (all singles) would obviously not do as much for him as hitting more doubles, triples, and HR would. That's all I'm saying.
Yankee Tripper
09-01-10, 01:11 PM
a .300 avg is nice, but doing so by working on his bunting (all singles) would obviously not do as much for him as hitting more doubles, triples, and HR would. That's all I'm saying.SGL is nice but some guys never slug much. I don't think gardner is ever going to a big XBH guy. his value is tied up in OBP and SBs. And a bunt single is as good as a walk
he could lash balls into the gap or something.
Yankee Tripper
09-01-10, 02:36 PM
he could lash balls into the gap or something.he could but I think balls down the line where he turns singles into doubles is more likly than him becoming a gap to gap hitter
SGL is nice but some guys never slug much. I don't think gardner is ever going to a big XBH guy. his value is tied up in OBP and SBs. And a bunt single is as good as a walk
Gardner walking so much (15%) is actually a point, albeit a somewhat minor one, against bunting.
More generally, because Gardner's OBP is already high, bunting, even for a .500 avg, would not help him much.
Let me just drive this point home. If Gardner bunted 30 more times this year and got 15 hits out of them, his OBP would be a grand total of 7 points higher (if Elvis didn't bunt... his OBP would be 20 some points lower).
So even if Gardner and Long only manage to get into a tiny amount of that "untapped power", his SLG will more than compensate for the OBP. This is totally ignoring a better swing driving more balls with authority help with OBP and BA too.
The one big argument for bunting this analysis ignores is when moving a runner over is very important and bunting for a hit is just a nice bonus.
I just don't think bunting is a good use of Gardner's time. One of his biggest issues has been when he can't just slap to the other side (with runners on base namely) for cheap hits (he ends up with FCs that would be hits if nobody was on.) Driving the ball with some authority will help with that than anything cheap bunt singles can do for him or the team.
Again, I am not talking about some magical Carl Crawford power. I am just talking about more linedrives up the middle/opposite field over the SS/3B's heads and maybe a couple more fluke HRs.
NY Dude
09-01-10, 04:54 PM
Don't know if anyone noticed yesterday but Brett stole 2 bases. He's tied for 4th most in the AL this year at 39.
His OBP is still very high. He scored 2 runs yesterday as well. He needs to start at lead off. I'm starting to think we may need to put Jeter in the 6th slot because he grounds into too many DP's.
Of course I'm being generous if he wasn't Jeter I'd probably have him batting 8th based on his performance this year.
Yankee Tripper
09-01-10, 05:01 PM
I just don't think bunting is a good use of Gardner's time. One of his biggest issues has been when he can't just slap to the other side (with runners on base namely) for cheap hits (he ends up with FCs that would be hits if nobody was on.) Driving the ball with some authority will help with that than anything cheap bunt singles can do for him or the team.
If he was even a marginally sucessful bunter though the 3B has to play in opening angles for those slap hit and little bloops over the 3B head.
For Gardner to become a hitter who "drives" the ball his plate approach would need to change quite a bit and he's been pretty sucessful with his current approach.
I guess we'll just agree to disagee.
Ideally he does both, becomes a decent bunter and and some additional XBH power. Buth honestly I think he's going to be a sub 400 slugger most if not all of his career.
Kluivert4Ever
09-01-10, 05:04 PM
Gardner walking so much (15%) is actually a point, albeit a somewhat minor one, against bunting.
More generally, because Gardner's OBP is already high, bunting, even for a .500 avg, would not help him much.
Let me just drive this point home. If Gardner bunted 30 more times this year and got 15 hits out of them, his OBP would be a grand total of 7 points higher (if Elvis didn't bunt... his OBP would be 20 some points lower).
So even if Gardner and Long only manage to get into a tiny amount of that "untapped power", his SLG will more than compensate for the OBP. This is totally ignoring a better swing driving more balls with authority help with OBP and BA too.
The one big argument for bunting this analysis ignores is when moving a runner over is very important and bunting for a hit is just a nice bonus.
I just don't think bunting is a good use of Gardner's time. One of his biggest issues has been when he can't just slap to the other side (with runners on base namely) for cheap hits (he ends up with FCs that would be hits if nobody was on.) Driving the ball with some authority will help with that than anything cheap bunt singles can do for him or the team.
Again, I am not talking about some magical Carl Crawford power. I am just talking about more linedrives up the middle/opposite field over the SS/3B's heads and maybe a couple more fluke HRs.
I guess it depends on how much time he needs to spend on becoming a good bunter because I agree its not THAT important for him.
If he was even a marginally sucessful bunter though the 3B has to play in opening angles for those slap hit and little bloops over the 3B head.
With 2 outs... which would be like 33% of the time, this wouldn't matter much.
Even with 1 out, this often doesn't matter either.
And even if he got those bloop hits (you just won't add many hits this way), they'll drive runs homes at a much lower % than a solid linedrive to the gap.
I guess it depends on how much time he needs to spend on becoming a good bunter because I agree its not THAT important for him.
He tried last spring training... in fact spending almost half of his PAs on bunting for the better part of March.
Didn't do too much so I am guessing it will take quite a bit of time.
On the other hand, working on his swing showed almost immediate results. Gardner's BBs and opposite field hits aren't just because he can slap the ball. They are also, partially, the product of him driving fastballs/changeups inside for HRs and xbs.
And oh, Kevin Long says Gardner has untapped power.
Yankee Tripper
09-01-10, 05:22 PM
...they'll drive runs homes at a much lower % than a solid linedrive to the gap.
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_hitting_chart.jsp?c_id=nyy&playerID=458731&statType=1
you might want to check out Brett's hit chart before making that claim. Brett has basically 2 hits in the gap all year at home - one to left center for a double, one to right center for a triple, he doesn't even have hardly any flyouts in the gaps.
Okay, then a linedrive down the line. I really don't get your point. If he drives the ball to the OF runners score. I don't think it's rocket science.
That there aren't many balls down the gaps is more likely due to small sample size (because he can't drive the ball that well now unless it's fast/change inside). The alternative is you you think Gardner has some kind of phantom bat control where he could go down the LF foul line, right up the middle, and down the RF foul line but somehow magically avoid the gaps.
I know Gardner has speed so people think he should be bunting. But there hasn't been a lot of speedy guys with his OBP. Bunting for hits just doesn't do him a whole lot of good even if he does manage to bunt for a high average.
Yankee Tripper
09-01-10, 05:45 PM
Okay, then a linedrive down the line. I really don't get your point. He drives the ball to the OF runners score. I don't think it's rocket science.
That there aren't many balls down the gaps is more likely due to small sample size (because he can't drive the ball that well now unless it's fast/change inside). The alternative is you you think Gardner has some kind of phantom bat control where he could go down the LF foul line, right up the middle, and down the RF foul line but somehow magically avoid the gaps.No, I'm just syaing for him to be the kind of hitter you are describing would require a fairly radical change to his plate approach that I don't think would productive.
He's always going to be a singles hitter who takes advantage of his speed. There is nothing wrong with that and he can be very successful with that approach.
I think if he does what you are suggesting it will be similar to Willie Mays Hayes at the start of Major League 2 - a lotta warning track flyouts.
I am not talking about changing his bat angle. He still should be hitting with about 10~15 degree elevation (Cano would be like 15~20 when he gets everything perfect... Teix's upper cut swing would put him just over 20 overall probably) for low line drives. He just needs to get stronger and acquire a bit more bat speed to swap some of the weak grounders/low IF lineouts for hits in the OF.
Basically four things make me think Gardner can spend his time better working on his swing:
1. Kevin Long says Gardner has untapped power.
2. Bunting in last ST didn't do him a lot of good.
3. Gardner and Long had almost immediate results, including higher bat speed, after working together in last offseason.
4. Even if Gardner does well bunting, due to his already high OBP, the benefit is limited.
jimmykey2
09-01-10, 05:57 PM
The Brett Gardner that hit the ball in the air more often wasn't the good Brett Gardner we see now. I can settle for the "slashing, walking, running, good defense with the shockingly effective arm" version we see now.
The Brett Gardner that hit the ball in the air more often wasn't the good Brett Gardner we see now. I can settle for the "slashing, walking, running, good defense with the shockingly effective arm" version we see now.
Gardner GB/FB ratio has stayed almost constant going from 1.00 in 2009 to 1.05 in 2010. What's driving better results is higher LD% and fewer infield flyballs... both of which can improve if he drives the ball more.
Yankee Tripper
09-01-10, 06:09 PM
Line drives good, popups bad. That's true of every hitter Grizy.
Of course, and working on bunting doesn't do anything for those.
I was just objecting to the idea that Gardner is better this year because he's putting more balls on the ground.
jimmykey2
09-01-10, 06:42 PM
Gardner GB/FB ratio has stayed almost constant going from 1.00 in 2009 to 1.05 in 2010. What's driving better results is higher LD% and fewer infield flyballs... both of which can improve if he drives the ball more.
I seemed to recall Gardner hitting an inordinate amount of IF fly balls whenever he put the ball in the air. Looking at the stats however, it doesn't really stand out. Considering how few fly balls he hits, his IFFB% is a bit high, but nothing serious.
While seeing more power from Brett would be nice, he's able to use his best asset when he puts it on the ground.
I am not talking about changing his bat angle. He still should be hitting with about 10~15 degree elevation (Cano would be like 15~20 when he gets everything perfect... Teix's upper cut swing would put him just over 20 overall probably) for low line drives. He just needs to get stronger and acquire a bit more bat speed to swap some of the weak grounders/low IF lineouts for hits in the OF.
Basically four things make me think Gardner can spend his time better working on his swing:
1. Kevin Long says Gardner has untapped power.
2. Bunting in last ST didn't do him a lot of good.
3. Gardner and Long had almost immediate results, including higher bat speed, after working together in last offseason.
4. Even if Gardner does well bunting, due to his already high OBP, the benefit is limited.
i approve of this post and your prior ones. as the official caretaker of the '09 and '10 Brett Gardner Performance Threads, i award you victory in this discussion.
people are constantly suggesting low standards for brett gardner... "he's not good enough offensively to play a corner spot," "he shouldnt take so many pitches," "his arm sucks," "he needs to bunt more." numbers 1, 2, and 3 have been proven incorrect.
i say he should try to keep pushing up at his ceiling until he proves that he can't improve anymore.
yankee82093
09-01-10, 10:24 PM
I seemed to recall Gardner hitting an inordinate amount of IF fly balls whenever he put the ball in the air. Looking at the stats however, it doesn't really stand out. Considering how few fly balls he hits, his IFFB% is a bit high, but nothing serious.
While seeing more power from Brett would be nice, he's able to use his best asset when he puts it on the ground.
IFFB% is the rate of pop-ups out of total flyballs, not out of total BIP.
MLB Yankees 2
09-03-10, 06:17 PM
There are games like today that make me realize how much I love Brett Gardner. Looking at the box score and seeing a solid batting average along with tons of BB's, makes me happy that Cash has decided to be loyal and patient to the farm system.
There is no way I want to sign Carl Crawford next year. With Granderson being our CF for a few more years and Gardner outplaying him at about 5x the cost, we have no use for Crawford. Let's hope the Yankees office feels the same way.
I've been saying for some time now. Gardner is our most exciting rookie right now and he's actually not even eligible for arbitration yet, unlike Hughes and Joba.
Better yet, even into arbitration years, because OBP and SBs aren't valued as highly (for arbitration/Elias rankings) as power numbers, Gardner will stay cheap.
Gardner is making a late season bid to get his OBP over .400
dabomb2045
09-04-10, 03:35 PM
He reminds me so much of Brett Butler. Only differences right now is that he strikes out a bit more, and he is nowhere near the bunter that Butler was.
But their offensive skill set is so very similar. Lets hope he has a career like Butler did.
YankeePride1967
09-04-10, 03:36 PM
Well, his critics have been pretty quiet again of late.
NY Dude
09-04-10, 03:58 PM
I've been saying for some time now. Gardner is our most exciting rookie right now and he's actually not even eligible for arbitration yet, unlike Hughes and Joba.
Better yet, even into arbitration years, because OBP and SBs aren't valued as highly (for arbitration/Elias rankings) as power numbers, Gardner will stay cheap.
I dunno about that. Look at Ichiro's 18 million a year contract.
teknetic
09-04-10, 04:04 PM
Imported Asian superstar, Hall-of-Famer, MVP, batting champ, etc
NY Dude
09-04-10, 04:26 PM
Imported Asian superstar, Hall-of-Famer, MVP, batting champ, etc
Gardner is still young though. If he can duplicate his performance this year for a while he could be just as good as Ichiro or at least possibly close to that.
teknetic
09-04-10, 04:29 PM
I love GGBG as much as anyone, but that's a reach.
MLB Yankees 2
09-04-10, 04:44 PM
What are the chances the Yankees persue and sign Carl Crawford? Will they go for the proven commoditity like Crawford, or do they go with the production Gardner has given? The Yankees have been linked to Crawford for what seems like forever. Could they think Gardner will fall off like Melky has this year and replace Brett with a high priced FA? I really hope not...
What are the chances the Yankees persue and sign Carl Crawford? Will they go for the proven commoditity like Crawford, or do they go with the production Gardner has given? The Yankees have been linked to Crawford for what seems like forever. Could they think Gardner will fall off like Melky has this year and replace Brett with a high priced FA? I really hope not...
Melky was never really on... he struggled to be league average
Wow... Gardner getting compared to Ichiro and Melky in a span of 3 posts. /head esplodes
roblyo33
09-04-10, 05:11 PM
Wow... Gardner getting compared to Ichiro and Melky in a span of 3 posts. /head esplodes
Somewhere in between, maybe??
Gardner is much closer to Ichiro! than to Melky
There is no comparing Gardner to Ichiro. Ichiro is an elite player, a class in which only a few get to be included.
There's no doubt that Gardner is doing things far and above what a lot of us thought he could do. In the PPA stat where 3 is bad and 4 is great, he's at about 4.5 which is just short of astonishing. If he's going to hit .280+ and walk 75+ times a year, plus keep that PPA up high and play the kind of defense we're seeing, then that's plenty good enough and I see no need to replace him with someone like Crawford. I also don't see any reason to think he's having a dream season so I expect a similar year out of him in 2011.
MooseDaGun
09-04-10, 07:20 PM
Someone worth 5 wins with 30-something games left...there's no doubt that he justifies his corner OF position.
PirateChief
09-04-10, 07:32 PM
There is no comparing Gardner to Ichiro.
I know! Gardner's worth 1.4 wins more this year WOW
MikeYank
09-04-10, 08:04 PM
Imported Asian superstar, Hall-of-Famer, MVP, batting champ, etc
HOF.....don't think so...check his numbers.
HOF.....don't think so...check his numbers.
errr... whaa? he holds more than a few records, my friend. regardless of how hard one may lean toward the SABRmetric, when the guy holds the single-season hits record, 9 consecutive yrs collecting GGs, high MVP-vote totals every year, several batting titles, AS appearances every yr, 10 consecutive yrs with 200 hits, the ROY, a key role on one of the greatest teams of all time, and is a generally internationally famous PERSON recognized as the first position player from his country... I think it's a safe bet to say he'll end up a HOFer.
you're free to disagree, tho. :looking:
THEBOSS84
09-04-10, 08:50 PM
He's a lock.
teknetic
09-04-10, 08:55 PM
HOF.....don't think so...check his numbers.
Trying to outdo your Sabathia comments? This is a good start.
Jax Teller
09-04-10, 08:58 PM
I kind of hope he counters with something. Should be interesting :lol:
MikeYank
09-04-10, 09:46 PM
Does Suzuki have better numbers than Mattingly?
Hardly.
Has he been as good as Wade Boggs?
Don't think so.
Ichiro... not enough playing years yet....no power....no RBI....pure singles hitter...no championships...played on the great 2001 Mariners team which got crushed by the Yanks.
Jax Teller
09-04-10, 09:49 PM
Wtf does Wade Boggs have to do with this?
b_joseph
09-04-10, 09:51 PM
Does Suzuki have better numbers than Mattingly?
Hardly.
Has he been as good as Wade Boggs?
Don't think so.
Ichiro... not enough playing years yet....no power....no RBI....pure singles hitter...no championships...played on the great 2001 Mariners team which got crushed by the Yanks.If Ichiro played on the Yankees these years, I doubt you would be saying this.
Along with Jeter, he has been the best top of the order hitter over the past 10 years. HOF lock.
MikeYank
09-04-10, 09:59 PM
[QUOTE=b_joseph]If Ichiro played on the Yankees these years, I doubt you would be saying this.
He couldn't have made the Yanks as a leadoff hitter.
Along with Jeter, he has been the best top of the order hitter over the past 10 years. HOF lock.
Maybe Rickey Henderson was a little better, although his career was ending in early 2000.
Maybe Rickey Henderson was a little better, although his career was ending in early 2000.
confused...
1- did u add that text to his post?
2- are you seriously seriously trying to get down on Rickey ".401-OBP 300-HR 1400-SB" Henderson?
He reminds me so much of Brett Butler. Only differences right now is that he strikes out a bit more, and he is nowhere near the bunter that Butler was.
But their offensive skill set is so very similar. Lets hope he has a career like Butler did.
I would be ecstatic if Gardner turned into Butler
There is no comparing Gardner to Ichiro. Ichiro is an elite player, a class in which only a few get to be included.
There's no doubt that Gardner is doing things far and above what a lot of us thought he could do. In the PPA stat where 3 is bad and 4 is great, he's at about 4.5 which is just short of astonishing. If he's going to hit .280+ and walk 75+ times a year, plus keep that PPA up high and play the kind of defense we're seeing, then that's plenty good enough and I see no need to replace him with someone like Crawford. I also don't see any reason to think he's having a dream season so I expect a similar year out of him in 2011.
Actually Bud I agree. You'll never see Ichiro take out a middle IF in a game winning situation. The guy plays for one reason only, to pad his stats. Most overrated player in baseball history.
dabomb2045
09-04-10, 11:00 PM
I would be ecstatic if Gardner turned into Butler
I think he's on his way. People need to stop with the Ichiro comparisons and what not. Butler is the perfect guy to compare him to....like I said, the skill sets are almost identical.
He has not "underachieved" at all.... if anything he has been a great surprise for us. I, for one, really like the fact he is our LF.
dabomb2045
09-04-10, 11:04 PM
Btw just ignore the stupid poster above. This is the same dude was bashing Sabathia most of last year and early this year.
Btw just ignore the stupid poster above. This is the same dude was bashing Sabathia most of last year and early this year.
Stupid poster above??? Me???? What did I do?
Yankees13
09-04-10, 11:21 PM
Stupid poster above??? Me???? What did I do?
MikeYank, not you.
MikeYank, not you.
Ok, thanks. Wondered but wanted to make sure.
dabomb2045
09-05-10, 01:00 AM
Stupid poster above??? Me???? What did I do?
Yeah my bad....wasnt referring to you. MikeYank.
Batting .230 since the All Star Break -- his glove and speed are nice but he needs a strong finish because he's playing for his job. Werth and Crawford are looming in free agency.
Batting .230 since the All Star Break -- his glove and speed are nice but he needs a strong finish because he's playing for his job. Werth and Crawford are looming in free agency.
or... OBP of .377 since the All-star Break
Ninja0980
09-11-10, 12:02 AM
His performance tonight won't help. We've left 14 runners stranded... with him leading the charge.
Yankee Steve
09-11-10, 08:33 PM
I still contend that Gardner is not a legitimate ML hitter. He swings with his arms - no legs, and is consistently late on fastballs. Regardless of the count. He takes too many pitches and is always behind on the count. He has surprised with you arm out in LF and does a decent job of running balls down, but if they wanted to sign Crawford and trade Gardner, I wouldn't think twice. He isn't really a very good base stealer - doesn't get a good read on many pitchers and therefore doesn't attempt to steal as much as his speed should warrant. K - end of rant.
PirateChief
09-11-10, 08:37 PM
Taking lots of pitches lets him have a .380 OBP even when he's not hitting that well. Non-ML hitters don't fluke their way to that.
teknetic
09-11-10, 08:45 PM
Batting .230 since the All Star Break -- his glove and speed are nice but he needs a strong finish because he's playing for his job. Werth and Crawford are looming in free agency.
His job is on the line :lol:
I still contend that Gardner is not a legitimate ML hitter. He swings with his arms - no legs, and is consistently late on fastballs. Regardless of the count. He takes too many pitches and is always behind on the count. He has surprised with you arm out in LF and does a decent job of running balls down, but if they wanted to sign Crawford and trade Gardner, I wouldn't think twice. He isn't really a very good base stealer - doesn't get a good read on many pitchers and therefore doesn't attempt to steal as much as his speed should warrant. K - end of rant.
Because non-ML hitter tend to lead the majors in P/PA and post an OPS north of 110. Also wrong about him being a poor basestealer, but that's apparently the theme of your rant, so I'll let that slide.
THEBOSS84
09-11-10, 08:46 PM
5 WAR player making the league minimum. I think they'll stick with him.
He does look like crap the last couple of days.
Amazing how a guy could LEAD HIS TEAM (a team of all-stars, mind you) in one of the most important stats (OBP) and still have someone claim that he's not a real ML player because he doesn't look like it.
His 4.8 WAR is also second highest on the team.
Highest is Cano at 5.9. Third place is Swisher at 3.8. Teix is 4th at 3.5.
I don't like ranking players with WAR usually, but a gap that big is pretty substantial and cannot be supported without actual on field production.
THEBOSS84
09-11-10, 10:04 PM
What an arm.
It's not even that strong of a throw. He just gets to and then get rid of the ball so fast and accurately it's amazing.
That's just practice and more practice. Props to the man for working on his D.
It's not just the arm either, I haven't heard complaints about his routes in a long long time.
His job is on the line :lol:
It absolutely is, Gardner could very well be a part-time player next season. If the Yanks offense falls flat in the postseason, you can bet they'll pursue one of Crawford or Werth.
It absolutely is, Gardner could very well be a part-time player next season. If the Yanks offense falls flat in the postseason, you can bet they'll pursue one of Crawford or Werth.
sorry man, i've never before thought this about you, but if you really feel that way, that makes you an idiot. please take it back. :(
sorry man, i've never before thought this about you, but if you really feel that way, that makes you an idiot. please take it back. :(
Charming, so you don't think they'll pursue one of Crawford or Werth and our outfield will be unchanged in 2011?
I never said Gardner would be demoted, I just said he may not be a full-time player, sheesh
Charming, so you don't think they'll pursue one of Crawford or Werth and our outfield will be unchanged in 2011?
I never said Gardner would be demoted, I just said he may not be a full-time player, sheesh
i hope they pursue neither, actually. Crawford has bad knees and is historically not a good OBP guy. Werth will be turning 32 next year and has developed his reputation as a hitter during the typical peak yrs for many hitters. I'd be ok with Crawford but only by moving Granderson, and not our elite defensive CF who makes 500k and OBPs .390
i hope they pursue neither, actually. Crawford has bad knees and is historically not a good OBP guy. Werth will be turning 32 next year and has developed his reputation as a hitter during the typical peak yrs for many yrs. I'd be ok with Crawford but only by moving Granderson, and not our elite defensive CF who makes 500k and OBPs .390
Gardner has a lot of value but with Jeter, A-Rod and Posada in decline, they may want to add a traditional RBI man. The result would likely be to push Gardner to maybe 120 starts while Swisher sees more time at DH and Granderson misses more time against LHP.
Brett isn't a bad player but the team may not be best served by having him start all 162 games in LF.
Gardner has a lot of value but with Jeter, A-Rod and Posada in decline, they may want to add a traditional RBI man. The result would likely be to push Gardner to maybe 120 starts while Swisher sees more time at DH and Granderson misses more time against LHP.
Brett isn't a bad player but the team may not be best served by having him start all 162 games in LF.
not a horrible line of thinking, but we have this kid comin' up next year... he figures to be a slugger type... I forget his name... Jesus or something :)
Rocketbooster
09-12-10, 01:13 AM
Ledger_Yankees Gardner has a sore right wrist, been bothering him since getting hit in LA but it’s been worse in recent days. May get an MRI in TB
So it’s been since before the ASB that Brett’s wrist has been bothering him and they didn’t think to get an MRI before now?
or... OBP of .377 since the All-star Break
you beat me to it.
the more i think about it, the less i want werth or crawford. for the money and years they'll command, i doubt they'll be worth it. with the young pitchers getting pay increases over the next few years, giving a left fielder 5-7 years at $15m plus is not my idea of helping us. we already have too many long term deals. we have to stop paying for guys who've probably had their best years.
foul ball
09-12-10, 08:52 AM
I still contend that Gardner is not a legitimate ML hitter. He swings with his arms - no legs, and is consistently late on fastballs. Regardless of the count. He takes too many pitches and is always behind on the count. He has surprised with you arm out in LF and does a decent job of running balls down, but if they wanted to sign Crawford and trade Gardner, I wouldn't think twice. He isn't really a very good base stealer - doesn't get a good read on many pitchers and therefore doesn't attempt to steal as much as his speed should warrant. K - end of rant.
Gardner does seem uncomfortable at the plate (swinging with his arms) which begs the question: Where is Mr Long? The coaches made it clear that they can't/won't approach the team's superstars about correcting swing mechanics, but Gardner isn't a superstar.
Take bunting for example: Gardner's mechanics were totally wrong, as recently pointed out by the Yankee broadcast announcers durning a slow motion replay. Judging by Gardner's most recent bunt attempts, his mechanics seem greatly improved. Maybe the broadcast booth should also critique Gardner's swing.
ThePinStripes
09-12-10, 08:56 AM
Some of you seriously need to think before posting. It's bad when your opinions are objectively comical, at best.
Gardner does seem uncomfortable at the plate (swinging with his arms) which begs the question: Where is Mr Long? The coaches made it clear that they can't/won't approach the team's superstars about correcting swing mechanics, but Gardner isn't a superstar.
proof?
yankee82093
09-12-10, 10:21 AM
Gardner does seem uncomfortable at the plate (swinging with his arms) which begs the question: Where is Mr Long? The coaches made it clear that they can't/won't approach the team's superstars about correcting swing mechanics, but Gardner isn't a superstar.
Take bunting for example: Gardner's mechanics were totally wrong, as recently pointed out by the Yankee broadcast announcers durning a slow motion replay. Judging by Gardner's most recent bunt attempts, his mechanics seem greatly improved. Maybe the broadcast booth should also critique Gardner's swing.
Kevin Long has tweaked the mechanics of Tex, Swisher, and Cano significantly in the past two years. He also made some changes to A-rod's leg kick a year or two ago. I'm not sure what you mean.
I still contend that Gardner is not a legitimate ML hitter. He swings with his arms - no legs, and is consistently late on fastballs. Regardless of the count. He takes too many pitches and is always behind on the count. He has surprised with you arm out in LF and does a decent job of running balls down, but if they wanted to sign Crawford and trade Gardner, I wouldn't think twice. He isn't really a very good base stealer - doesn't get a good read on many pitchers and therefore doesn't attempt to steal as much as his speed should warrant. K - end of rant.Wow. Could you understate what the kid has done a little more?
"Not a legitimate ML hitter..." First full season in the bigs and he's OBPing ~.390, leading the world in P/PA.
"He takes too many pitches..." Uh, since when is this a bad thing, particularly when combined with his .390 OBP?
"...does a decent job of running balls down..." His defense this year has been RIDICULOUSLY good.
"...doesn't attempt to steal as much as his speed should warrant." This is the only point that I agree with, although he still steals plenty of bases at a very good success rate.
Can't wait to see what this kid can do in his second full year. I think he'll start hitting more gappers and gaining confidence on the bases and could actually improve from what he's done in '10. Why sign Crawford or Werth and pass up on a starting pitching FA when you have a guy making peanuts that this year has proven to be good/very good in all aspects of the game except HR power?
You guys do know that Gardner is suffering from a wrist injury, right?
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showpost.php?p=6975806&postcount=1162
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2010/09/12/postgame-notes-stunned-again-in-texas/
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100911&content_id=14555562¬ebook_id=14573478&vkey=notebook_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy
foul ball
09-12-10, 11:08 AM
Kevin Long has tweaked the mechanics of Tex, Swisher, and Cano significantly in the past two years. He also made some changes to A-rod's leg kick a year or two ago. I'm not sure what you mean.
The last comment was being facetious.
Gardner's bunting has been flawed all season. Durning a recent broadcast replay of a failed Gardner bunt attempt, Michael Kay pointed out a blatant flaw in Gardner's mechanics--pushing the bat at the ball rather than letting the ball hit the bat. Maybe it's just me, but I think his bunting has changed--for the better-- since that broadcast. The point is: if Michael Kay & company can see the flaw, why didn't the Yankee staff catch it earlier?
teknetic
09-12-10, 11:08 AM
I still haven't recovered from YankeeSteve's post.
THEBOSS84
09-13-10, 10:59 AM
A nice article on Gardner's defensive value (I'll give you a hint, he's exceptional) -
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yorkyankees/post/_/id/9578/gardners-value-greater-than-you-know
roblyo33
09-13-10, 03:17 PM
Out of the lineup again tonite.
THEBOSS84
09-13-10, 03:24 PM
He got a cortisone shot in his wrist as per the Star Ledger.
Yankee Tripper
09-13-10, 03:30 PM
He got a cortisone shot in his wrist as per the Star Ledger.so 2 days for the swelling to go down minimum right?
THEBOSS84
09-13-10, 03:35 PM
Looks like it -
An MRI on Brett Gardner’s right wrist showed no break or tear, but it did show considerable inflamation. Gardner got a cortisone shot and is hopeful it will do the trick within a day or two.
“I couldn’t have picked up a bat today and swung,” Gardner said.
The pain is right at the base of the wrist, a little bit lower than the spot where Gardner was hit by a pitch in Los Angeles. He said he can play defense and pinch run tonight.
Gardner said he considered today’s MRI, “pretty much good news.”
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/
ZIM 2002
09-13-10, 03:47 PM
Brett seems to belong to the school of players who don't tell anyone there's anything wrong and just keep trying to play through injuries - must have learned from Jeter.
JavyVazquezIsSick
09-13-10, 04:05 PM
I love Brett Gardner. So insanely valuable and so god damn cheap.
Yankee Fan in Boston
09-13-10, 04:39 PM
I love Brett Gardner. So insanely valuable and so god damn cheap.
Agree, but wrist injuries can suck. I hope he can recover quickly, even if it means missing this series.
Rocketbooster
09-13-10, 04:42 PM
Looks like it -
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/
This could have been taken care of awhile ago, sigh. Well, let’s hope the shot helps; if I recall, Tex has a cortisone shot last year and it didn’t help much
89FoxBody
09-13-10, 06:03 PM
I hope this doesn't become a nagging issue with his wrist.
Uh oh... he picks 2 outs in the 10th inning of a 0-0 game to get ultra aggressive on the bases.
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