View Full Version : 2009 Sergio Mitre Performance Thread
Stache Fan
07-21-09, 08:16 PM
Well the search function gave me nothing, so here it is.
Mid-game, I like what I see so far.
Rocketbooster
07-21-09, 08:17 PM
I like (no, love) that Mitre did not give back any of the runs that the Yankees scored – so many times you see a team score, then the other team comes right back – it’s deflating. Mitre’s done a very good job tonight - if he can get through 1 more inning, that would be just terrific.
b_joseph
07-21-09, 08:22 PM
Dont care what happens here...he deserves another start
Kluivert4Ever
07-21-09, 08:26 PM
I was impressed, pitched better than his line says.
Rocketbooster
07-21-09, 08:28 PM
Really did a fine, fine job- he buckled down and got the last batter he faced, which is impressive. He got a nice hand as he left, deservedly so. That said, the Yankees still need another SP. Maybe Mitre can be useful for us, but I do not like a CC, AJ, Joba, Andy, Mitre rotation.......
He did his job, but I do not want this guy starting again. I have a feeling he'll get bombed if he does.
teknetic
07-21-09, 08:31 PM
Better than I expected. Still would prefer someone else.
Kluivert4Ever
07-21-09, 08:32 PM
He did his job, but I do not want this guy starting again. I have a feeling he'll get bombed if he does.
I disagree, I want to see what he can do on regular rest, 9 days for a sinkerballer is usually death.
I disagree, I want to see what he can do on regular rest, 9 days for a sinkerballer is usually death.
Everytime we bring up a journey man starter aside from Aaron Small, he pitches decently in his first start and sucks the rest of them.
Kluivert4Ever
07-21-09, 08:35 PM
Everytime we bring up a journey man starter aside from Aaron Small, he pitches decently in his first start and sucks the rest of them.
Yes, but I liked his stuff actually.
nnysiny
07-21-09, 08:36 PM
He did his job, but I do not want this guy starting again. I have a feeling he'll get bombed if he does.
please tell me you are joking
Spiker101
07-21-09, 08:37 PM
Had some problems with the lefty hitters but overall I'm not complaining. Still need a No. 3 starter.
please tell me you are joking
Why?, So I can see him get bombed. These guys get lucky because no one has seen him.
YanksFanTillDeath
07-21-09, 08:45 PM
Just what the doctor order, he gets another chance in my book...
Stick Michael
07-21-09, 08:47 PM
Did a nice job of spotting his two-seamer outside on righties and, on less needed occasions, inside on lefties. When he missed his spots he usually missed low or away, which is where a pitcher should miss if he has to. The hanger to Mora that got hit for a two-run single was one of the few 'bad' pitches he threw. Induced a healthy amount of ground balls with his sinker. Could have a done a little better job of throwing first pitch strikes, but did a nice job of making pitches when he had to in order to limit damage in 1st and 3rd innings.
Solid effort for a spot start - better than his line would indicate. Deserves to take the ball again in five days, in my opinion.
nnysiny
07-21-09, 08:49 PM
Why?, So I can see him get bombed. These guys get lucky because no one has seen him. or maybe because he has good stuff? did you even see him pitch today? its not like he got lucky today. im not sold on his slider yet, but he was impressive, and not giving him a second start is unreasonable
He has fairly good stuff for a temporary starter type, but unlike most of them he throws a lot of strikes, he looks fine for a spot starter
ICEBERG18
07-21-09, 09:01 PM
Nice job.
JavyVazquezIsSick
07-21-09, 09:02 PM
Pretty good.
Billy Ball 2008
07-21-09, 09:13 PM
Solid performance tonight.
b_joseph
07-21-09, 09:27 PM
If he gets bombed in the next start, then you just dont give him the next start. Simple as that.
If he pitches well in the next start, give him 2 more starts after that.
JeterRodriguezSheff
07-21-09, 09:30 PM
Had some problems with the lefty hitters but overall I'm not complaining. Still need a No. 3 starter.
Summed it up. I dont want this guy starting for the rest of the season, but he isnt going to kill us, while we look for a guy to fill in for Wang's slot in the rotation(whether that is Wang or somebody else).
hellonewman
07-21-09, 09:32 PM
Good #5-ish start, but please keep working the phones Brian.
Yankeesfan924
07-21-09, 09:34 PM
Good #5-ish start, but please keep working the phones Brian.
This.
Decent start, better than I expected.
jimmykey2
07-21-09, 09:35 PM
He did a very good job considering...
AnA-bombforA-rod
07-21-09, 09:35 PM
I thought he did a fine job today, but Phil still needs to go back to the rotation.
YESSIR!
07-21-09, 09:41 PM
He definitely looked good enough to get another start if necessary.
I agree that Cashman should still be working the phones looking for some pitching depth. Good relief help can push guys like Hughes and Ace into the rotation if the Yankees decide to go that way, or just getting a good SP speaks for itself.
ThePinStripes
07-21-09, 09:43 PM
Decent, but we'll see what's up when hitters get a better look at him and some ML footage.
roblyo33
07-21-09, 09:51 PM
I say give him another start. The O's have some tough LH hitters so, this start wasn't that bad.
Shanghai Bob
07-21-09, 09:53 PM
What I liked about him:
1. Throws strikes
2. Keeps the ball down for the most part
3. No fear on the mound
For a #5 starter he might have enough positives to stick. His next start should be even better against a much weaker offensive team (Oakland).
NYYDragoon
07-21-09, 09:57 PM
I approve. I asked for 6 IP and 3 ER, but he came close enough. I also liked his poise and the way he went after batters.
Better than Igawa!
roblyo33
07-21-09, 10:03 PM
I enjoyed it when he laughed about the exchange of balls with Posada and the umpire in the 4th or 5th inning. It just showed that he was at ease out there, IMO.
He had some pretty good movement on those sinkers with decent velocity.
pleasepassthesoup
07-21-09, 10:06 PM
I liked it. Based on his stuff, I wouldn't go out and trade for a #5 guy. If a #3 guy is available, I want the Yankees to make the move, but Mitre looks fine for a back of the rotation guy.
JeterRodriguezSheff
07-21-09, 10:06 PM
We should keep this guy as a spot starter, he isnt good enough to be a regular when the rotation is fully healthy, but if you need somebody to spot start, at least he isnt going to nimble and walk the bases loaded.
Shanghai Bob
07-21-09, 10:14 PM
I liked it. Based on his stuff, I wouldn't go out and trade for a #5 guy. If a #3 guy is available, I want the Yankees to make the move, but Mitre looks fine for a back of the rotation guy.
Astute observation. No Snell or other scrub like pitcher. A Washburn or Lee would be great if it didn't cost Phil, Joba or Montero (I know probably not likely).
Earned another start... nice job!
CT-Yankee
07-21-09, 11:15 PM
He was good enough to get another start. Keep him hungry - go start to start with the guy. Seems like whenever they hand someone a spot, they go bad.
BroadwayBomber55
07-21-09, 11:17 PM
Nice job Sergio Mitre.
I also liked his poise out there. Deadpan emotion.
Mitre just went out there, threw strikes, kept the ball down, and showed no fear.
13 groundball outs including inducing 2 DPs.
fellows
07-21-09, 11:38 PM
His stuff isn't very good. 90-92 sinker, OK change. Lived up to his scouting report. The 6 spot the Yankees put up makes his start look better than it was. Cano screwed him early, but letting Roberts reach 2nd with none out is a recipe for disaster. Hopefully they only need 1-2 more starts from him before they get another pitcher.
Metroidman
07-21-09, 11:49 PM
He did get a crapload of Groundballs though
Jerkface
07-22-09, 01:22 AM
His stuff isn't very good. 90-92 sinker, OK change. Lived up to his scouting report. The 6 spot the Yankees put up makes his start look better than it was. Cano screwed him early, but letting Roberts reach 2nd with none out is a recipe for disaster. Hopefully they only need 1-2 more starts from him before they get another pitcher.
He is throwing sinkers/2 seamers @ 92-93 with an 8" break. He has a 10 mph slower change up with slightly more break. And a 78 mph 12" break curve ball.
He has good stuff. He needs better control. Thats about it. As a back of the rotation starter he should be much better than league average and in the tops for contending teams if he pitches with the kind of ability he showed tonight.
BronxYanks45
07-22-09, 09:30 AM
nice job, he pitched well and really only had one bad inning
Austin3
07-22-09, 09:35 AM
It's not saying much, but his start was as good as any Wang made this season.
He is throwing sinkers/2 seamers @ 92-93 with an 8" break. He has a 10 mph slower change up with slightly more break. And a 78 mph 12" break curve ball.
He has good stuff. He needs better control. Thats about it. As a back of the rotation starter he should be much better than league average and in the tops for contending teams if he pitches with the kind of ability he showed tonight.
most sinker/slider guys seem to throw 90-91, but those extra couple of mph make a bit of difference to mitre. i am optimistic about him going forward.
Young Steinbrenner
07-24-09, 10:35 AM
Mitre is fine as a temporary fix, but he's not the answer.
We still need another starter
maybe, not maybe not. i'm prepared to give him a handful of starts to show us what he can do.
Dannman103
07-25-09, 12:25 PM
Sidney Ponson's first start with the Yankees in 2008:
6 IP, 5 hits, 4 BB, 4 K, 0 runs
His overall numbers for the Yankees:
80 IP, 99 hits, 32 BB, 33 K, 5.85 ERA
This is an example of why we should not read into a single good start by a pitcher with bad career stats. At the very least, some more options for the 5 spot would be a good thing. Trading for some kind of upgrade would be even better.
AcidLake
07-25-09, 12:58 PM
^ his career bad stats are marred with the fact that he has never had chance to make his breakout due to being rushed in the first place and the injuries. he was at 26 years old in 2007 when he had a great first half as a signal of breakout but the symptoms of tommy john arose, depleting his velocity and his performance. we might have a guy who is about to or yet to see a light of his career
Sergio needs to be ungodly tomorrow after the team totally blew what should have been an easy win today
dabomb2045
07-25-09, 03:12 PM
Must win.
Defintely not a must win. If we lost.....it would be an 8-2 homestand. Last time I checked thats a success.
But we'll win and it will be 9-1.
The balance of the season rests on Sergio Mitre tomorrow because the yankees had the audacity to lose a game today.
pinstripesphanatic
07-25-09, 03:13 PM
Sergio needs to be ungodly tomorrow after the team totally blew what should have been an easy win today
yup... at least hughes should be good for multiple innings...
Rocketbooster
07-25-09, 04:10 PM
Sergio needs to be ungodly tomorrow after the team totally blew what should have been an easy win today
Yeah, the Yankees have been sooooooooooooo bad - they must never lose a game.
Rocketbooster
07-25-09, 04:10 PM
I want to know why AJ Burnett has been given an extra day of rest just so Mitre can pitch. AJ pitched on Tuesday - he should be pitching tomorrow..........
Yeah, the Yankees have been sooooooooooooo bad - they must never lose a game.
Keep manufacturing righteous indignation if it makes you feel better
The Yankees have been awesome, a win tomorrow would give them a very nice boost going into a brutal road trip, splitting a home series against the depleted A's would indeed be a disappointment
I want to know why AJ Burnett has been given an extra day of rest just so Mitre can pitch. AJ pitched on Tuesday - he should be pitching tomorrow..........
He's been pretty injury prone for his career.
Rocketbooster
07-25-09, 04:34 PM
Keep manufacturing righteous indignation if it makes you feel better
The Yankees have been awesome, a win tomorrow would give them a very nice boost going into a brutal road trip, splitting a home series against the depleted A's would indeed be a disappointment
No clue what you're talking about. You have quotes around the board today claiming the Yankees have no excuses for blowing an easy win, how they deserved what they got and how the hitters didn't take the game seriously. They lost one game.......... someone is overreacting to the loss and it's not me.
Rocketbooster
07-25-09, 04:36 PM
He's been pretty injury prone for his career.
I actually made a mistake - AJ pitched on Wednesday, which was the day I left for Philly, so I can't believe I forgot that. In any case, I wouldn't have done it - I had a nice rant on another board, but since it's all moot, I won't bother posting it. I will just say that AJ on extra rest really isn't that good - or he hasn't been this year. His health issues seem in the past due to how he's preparing in between starts and overall not throwing the ball through the wall. We'll see how he holds up this year, but he hasn't had so much as an ache or a pain.......
I actually made a mistake - AJ pitched on Wednesday, which was the day I left for Philly, so I can't believe I forgot that. In any case, I wouldn't have done it - I had a nice rant on another board, but since it's all moot, I won't bother posting it. I will just say that AJ on extra rest really isn't that good - or he hasn't been this year. His health issues seem in the past due to how he's preparing in between starts and overall not throwing the ball through the wall. We'll see how he holds up this year, but he hasn't had so much as an ache or a pain.......
Well then I'm glad we don't have Monday off. ;)
nnysiny
07-25-09, 06:19 PM
if Mitre doesnt spin a gem and the Yankees lose im going to take my shirt off and challenge all of you to a fight
pinstripesphanatic
07-25-09, 06:20 PM
if Mitre doesnt spin a gem and the Yankees lose im going to take my shirt off and challenge all of you to a fight
:lol:
roblyo33
07-25-09, 08:23 PM
If Mitre doesn't win tomorrow, I think the season is over and we should start looking forward to next year. We have series against the Rays and the Red Sox upcoming which, of course, we have no chance of winning. Therefore, Sergio has to pitch a complete game shutout.
of all the "scrubs" we've had pitch for us over the past four years, can someone tell me why i actually have some confidence that this guy might be more than ok?
Metroidman
07-26-09, 07:26 AM
of all the "scrubs" we've had pitch for us over the past four years, can someone tell me why i actually have some confidence that this guy might be more than ok?
He throws 93 with great movement?
He throws 93 with great movement?
yeah, but i was confident before i'd seen him pitch.
Metroidman
07-26-09, 07:33 AM
yeah, but i was confident before i'd seen him pitch.
Never followed him in the Minors? He always had good stuff but could never command it. He seemed to have figured that out this year. Then again too soon to tell. I do like the 7-8in break on his 93mph heat though. That's nasty.
Never followed him in the Minors? He always had good stuff but could never command it. He seemed to have figured that out this year. Then again too soon to tell. I do like the 7-8in break on his 93mph heat though. That's nasty.
i have been aware of him since he broke in with the cubs. let's see how he does today but i'm looking forward to seeing him pitch again.
Metroidman
07-26-09, 07:38 AM
Yeah I like his stuff. We'll see how good he is today though. Atleast he's not Chacon/Small doing it with fringe stuff.
Yeah I like his stuff. We'll see how good he is today though. Atleast he's not Chacon/Small doing it with fringe stuff.
in fairness to chacon, he has more than enough to stick with us the following year but it was his attitude that let him down.
JfromJersey
07-26-09, 12:06 PM
Good stuff? I know he has a good sinker, but other than that..?
Hughes2.50
07-26-09, 01:35 PM
Let's not fool ourselves. (<a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mitrese01.shtml">Mitre</a> is the very definition of a sub-par starting pitcher)<p>And here we are in the fifth inning and he has already given up three runs and something like seven hits. He is what he is, a sub-par solution at starting pitcher. The Yankees need to demand more than that for each of their five rotation starters. The Yankees need to bring in an 8th inning guy at the very least so that they can replace Mitre with Hughes.
Mitre is suitably replacement-level, he's been fine but for a groundball pitcher, he really hasn't been good at fielding his position
bmxstreetrider86
07-26-09, 01:54 PM
he looks fine to me, when you give up lots of GB's, they inevitably find holes. other than a high hit rate he has been pretty good. i would have let him keep going but with LHH's due up its a coin toss
BobLoblaw
07-26-09, 01:55 PM
I like Mitre and think he is doing a fine job as a temporary replacement. He's throwing strikes and that's all I want. I would rather him give up some hits than spend the game walking guys to Timbuktu.
bmxstreetrider86
07-26-09, 02:02 PM
if i calculated everything right, he has a 2.83 FIP after today's start
I like Mitre and think he is doing a fine job as a temporary replacement. He's throwing strikes and that's all I want. I would rather him give up some hits than spend the game walking guys to Timbuktu.
Precisely, he is doing what he needs to do, throwing strikes and getting groundballs, he isn't going to shut down a premium offense but he has enough to put up quality innings against the likes of the Orioles and A's
Swishilisious
07-26-09, 02:32 PM
Precisely, he is doing what he needs to do, throwing strikes and getting groundballs, he isn't going to shut down a premium offense but he has enough to put up quality innings against the likes of the Orioles and A's9 hits and 5 runs in 5+ against a miserable offense isn't quality innings.
Spiker101
07-26-09, 02:39 PM
if i calculated everything right, he has a 2.83 FIP after today's start
At the risk of sounding old-fashioned, I also like to look at whip and era, and those numbers aren't so good. 1.69 and 5.91. I worry about what how he'll do against a quality offense. In other words, cashman needs to get to work.
bmxstreetrider86
07-26-09, 02:55 PM
At the risk of sounding old-fashioned, I also like to look at whip and era, and those numbers aren't so good. 1.69 and 5.91. I worry about what how he'll do against a quality offense. In other words, cashman needs to get to work.
obviously the hits are high, but he isnt BBing anyone and the hit rate is gonna come down. he is getting ridiculous amounts of GB's, over 2 starts they have been finding holes. he has been pretty unlucky so far
dabomb2045
07-26-09, 03:02 PM
obviously the hits are high, but he isnt BBing anyone and the hit rate is gonna come down. he is getting ridiculous amounts of GB's, over 2 starts they have been finding holes. he has been pretty unlucky so far
Actually he's been pretty lucky that he's faced Baltimore and Oakland. And not say Tampa, Boston, Angels etc etc.
He's got decent stuff but I dont think he's the answer in terms of having a rotation spot on this team--esp not if Joba's role as a starter gets reduced due to innings limits. We need someone much more reliable.
Metroidman
07-26-09, 03:04 PM
Lucky? Last game his BABIP was .400
I'm pretty sure its insanely high again today. He's not been lucky. And what about Boston/Tampa/Angels? He hasn't even aced them yet and you have no idea how he'd do.
themgmt
07-26-09, 03:04 PM
He reminds me of Wang... not 2006-2008 Wang, Not April 2009 Wang... but maybe June 2009 Wang.
Mitre showed today why sinker balllers can drive you nuts. Its a very fickle pitch at times especially when you rely so much on it.
Shanghai Bob
07-26-09, 03:46 PM
Lucky? Last game his BABIP was .400
I'm pretty sure its insanely high again today. He's not been lucky. And what about Boston/Tampa/Angels? He hasn't even aced them yet and you have no idea how he'd do.
Good research. This was my feeling as well watching his two starts. A lot of groundballs are finding holes. BABIP Gods not being kind to him.
We have won both of his two starts out of the #5 slot and he has been pretty decent in both of them. Props to him.
Now going forward he has to do it against much better offenses though.
mgpenguin
07-26-09, 04:05 PM
Good research. This was my feeling as well watching his two starts. A lot of groundballs are finding holes. BABIP Gods not being kind to him.
Of course, in 79 career games his BABIP is .326. So there's a distinct possibility that he's just not good. At all.
bmxstreetrider86
07-26-09, 04:23 PM
Of course, in 79 career games his BABIP is .326. So there's a distinct possibility that he's just not good. At all.
yes because 326 is basically the same as .400+
b_joseph
07-26-09, 04:33 PM
Didnt see the game but 14 to 5 GO:AO is pretty good. Give him another start.
roblyo33
07-26-09, 04:35 PM
I like Sergio. Give him another start.
Didnt see the game but 14 to 5 GO:AO is pretty good. Give him another start.
He didnt pitch as well as his numbers might show. He was kind of teetering all game and was fotunate to get a few key DPs. He will definitly get a few more starts barring any trades though. I give him credit though for getting those DPs and not melting down.
Swishilisious
07-26-09, 05:04 PM
He didnt pitch as well as his numbers might show. He was kind of teetering all game and was fotunate to get a few key DPs. He will definitly get a few more starts barring any trades though. I give him credit though for getting those DPs and not melting down.You're going to go through the trade deadline with this guy as the no 5 starter even though he's never been a good pitcher at any point of his career based on his GF ratio in 2 games vs awful teams? Really?
Kluivert4Ever
07-26-09, 05:24 PM
Baltimore is not awful offensively, they are 12th in the league in OPS.
Spiker101
07-26-09, 05:30 PM
Baltimore is not awful offensively, they are 12th in the league in OPS.
There are only 14 teams in the AL.
teknetic
07-26-09, 05:31 PM
:lol:
fellows
07-26-09, 05:35 PM
Lucky? Last game his BABIP was .400
I'm pretty sure its insanely high again today. He's not been lucky. And what about Boston/Tampa/Angels? He hasn't even aced them yet and you have no idea how he'd do.
His LD% was 25.0% in his first start. Lots of solid contact again today. BABIP is going to be high when you are giving up rockets left and right. He doesn't miss bats either. They can live with him as the 5th starter for now, but if Joba has to leave the rotation there is a problem.
Baltimore is not awful offensively, they are 12th in the league in OPS.93 OPS+ on the season. .684 OPS for July. In spite of having some talented offensive players, right now they're miserable.
dabomb2045
07-26-09, 05:39 PM
We've got problems if this guy is in our rotation down the stretch and in the playoffs.
Kluivert4Ever
07-26-09, 05:42 PM
There are only 14 teams in the AL.
I know
mgpenguin
07-26-09, 05:45 PM
yes because 326 is basically the same as .400+Yeah? It's still much higher than the average pitcher. In addition, his career ERA is 5.35 and WHIP is 1.55. That's not good, and there's no indication right now that he can be much better. So I hope I'm wrong, but he doesn't appear to be very good despite having decent stuff.
MaximMan121
07-26-09, 05:54 PM
You're going to go through the trade deadline with this guy as the no 5 starter even though he's never been a good pitcher at any point of his career based on his GF ratio in 2 games vs awful teams? Really?
You know I love posts like this.
So he's never been a good pitcher at any point in his career? You mean like the only time he was ever a starting pitcher for an entire season, in 2007, with his 3.95 FIP? His highwatermark on innings was 61 previous to that year.
Not saying he's the next coming. He can certainly hold down a #5 starter spot, though. And it's not as though he's going to be starting in the playoffs.
Oh, and Baltimore isn't bad offensively. So your argument lists a bit there as well. (edit, apparently I'm wrong on that one. Whoops.)
You're going to go through the trade deadline with this guy as the no 5 starter even though he's never been a good pitcher at any point of his career based on his GF ratio in 2 games vs awful teams? Really?
In my post I said "barring any trades". Ideally Id rather have someone like Washburn, Bedard or Lee but since its a tough trade market and teams seem to only want Hughes or Joba theres a real possibility that theres not a deal out there. If thats the case then we have to make due with Mitre or try someone else from the system.
sweet_lou_14
07-26-09, 06:13 PM
We've got problems if this guy is in our rotation down the stretch and in the playoffs.
This is the Yankees' biggest question mark right now. Unfortunately, right now the Yankees have to assume Wang is done for the year. It would appear that Joba's innings limit is eventually going to require him to leave the rotation as well. So if they stand pat they will end up with CC, AJ, Pettitte, and two huge question marks.
I can't imagine they won't pick up a pitcher this week ... the question is who. I'm hoping they add an impact starter good enough to make Andy the #5 starter again. Or I suppose they could get cute and add a stop-gap guy hoping that they can upgrade again on an August waiver deal.
If and when Joba finally does make a move to the pen, it's hard for me to imagine they won't try to replace him in the rotation with Hughes. They are always saying how everything with Joba is proceeding according to "the plan," so I wonder if that plan already includes stretching out Hughes. Unless they go out and add two pitchers, they have to be thinking about Hughes or Aceves in Joba's spot. Because they'd be crazy to plan for half a season of Sergio Mitre.
dabomb2045
07-26-09, 06:19 PM
You know I love posts like this.
So he's never been a good pitcher at any point in his career? You mean like the only time he was ever a starting pitcher for an entire season, in 2007, with his 3.95 FIP? His highwatermark on innings was 61 previous to that year.
Not saying he's the next coming. He can certainly hold down a #5 starter spot, though. And it's not as though he's going to be starting in the playoffs.
Oh, and Baltimore isn't bad offensively. So your argument lists a bit there as well. (edit, apparently I'm wrong on that one. Whoops.)
What happens if we dont trade for a starter, and Joba hits his inning limits and is put in the pen for the playoffs? That means Mitre would be the #4 starter.
dabomb2045
07-26-09, 06:21 PM
This is the Yankees' biggest question mark right now. Unfortunately, right now the Yankees have to assume Wang is done for the year. It would appear that Joba's innings limit is eventually going to require him to leave the rotation as well. So if they stand pat they will end up with CC, AJ, Pettitte, and two huge question marks.
I can't imagine they won't pick up a pitcher this week ... the question is who. I'm hoping they add an impact starter good enough to make Andy the #5 starter again. Or I suppose they could get cute and add a stop-gap guy hoping that they can upgrade again on an August waiver deal.
If and when Joba finally does make a move to the pen, it's hard for me to imagine they won't try to replace him in the rotation with Hughes. They are always saying how everything with Joba is proceeding according to "the plan," so I wonder if that plan already includes stretching out Hughes. Unless they go out and add two pitchers, they have to be thinking about Hughes or Aceves in Joba's spot. Because they'd be crazy to plan for half a season of Sergio Mitre.
I think we're okay if we trade for one starter---lets assume its a Washburn-type #3. So your rotation becomes:
CC
AJ
Washburn-type guy
Joba
Andy
I think w/Joba's inning limits, they will skip his spot when they can and simply be careful with his innings...i.e take him out after 5 or 6 more often. When the playoffs roll around, Joba goes to the pen. Your playoff rotation becomes:
CC
AJ
Washburn-type guy
Andy
I think we're okay if we trade for one starter---lets assume its a Washburn-type #3. So your rotation becomes:
CC
AJ
Washburn-type guy
Joba
Andy
I think w/Joba's inning limits, they will skip his spot when they can and simply be careful with his innings...i.e take him out after 5 or 6 more often. When the playoffs roll around, Joba goes to the pen. Your playoff rotation becomes:
CC
AJ
Washburn-type guy
Andy
Yea.. we will get someone.
Yea.. we will get someone.
Who, realistically?
I think we're okay if we trade for one starter---lets assume its a Washburn-type #3. So your rotation becomes:
CC
AJ
Washburn-type guy
Joba
Andy
I think w/Joba's inning limits, they will skip his spot when they can and simply be careful with his innings...i.e take him out after 5 or 6 more often. When the playoffs roll around, Joba goes to the pen. Your playoff rotation becomes:
CC
AJ
Washburn-type guy
Andy
Imagine a PO pen with Joba+Phil+Mo :ga-ga:
Who, realistically?
I really think Wash or Bedard.
jesterno2
07-26-09, 09:19 PM
i understand the line drive % argument, but honestly i think the guy has performed pretty well and has just been extremely unlucky with the balls hit in play. i like that he gets so many ground balls cause it keeps his pitch count low and with our improved defense should give us a good chance for a good start. i wouldnt call the penchant for getting double plays a luck thing so much as a product of his extremely high groundball rate. its kinda like watching wanger when he was dealing with his heavy sinker.
for example just watching the game today, it seemed like there were at least 2-3 balls i saw while watching at work (not solely focused on the game) that cano couldve possibly gotten, i think 2 of them possible double play balls. the first inning ball up the middle for sure was playable, and the error he threw to second where it looked like jeter just mightve not seen the ball clearly or maybe mitre just held onto it too long.
either way you gotta like what he is giving us as a #5 starter and if our defense played a little better behind him i think his ERA and the scores would look much different.
LIYanks
07-26-09, 09:32 PM
Aaron Small, Shawn Chacon.
Why not Sergio Mitre?
Of course a trade for Halladay is far more impressive but if Sergio Mitre can continue to give us 5, 6 innings every outing, Cash should go out and get another OF instead.
Aaron Small, Shawn Chacon.
Why not Sergio Mitre?
Of course a trade for Halladay is far more impressive but if Sergio Mitre can continue to give us 5, 6 innings every outing, Cash should go out and get another OF instead.
I understand your point... but add in Joba's inning limit and our starting depth (unless we give Igawa a shot) we need a starter. However, I think we can get Wash or Bedard without giving up top prospect "stuff". Seattle can wish for the moon but be stuck with the contracts and no postseason.
Rocketbooster
07-26-09, 09:41 PM
I understand your point... but add in Joba's inning limit and our starting depth (unless we give Igawa a shot) we need a starter. However, I think we can get Wash or Bedard without giving up top prospect "stuff". Seattle can wish for the moon but be stuck with the contracts and no postseason.
I disagree - Seattle asked for Austin Jackson for Washburn last year; if they put him on the market now, they'd ask for way more than that. I'm not about to give up any good prospects for that guy.........I would be very hesitant about Bedard as well (attitude wise, first - and he can't stay healthy), but he's on the DL now, so forget him anyway
I disagree - Seattle asked for Austin Jackson for Washburn last year; if they put him on the market now, they'd ask for way more than that. I'm not about to give up any good prospects for that guy.........I would be very hesitant about Bedard as well (attitude wise, first - and he can't stay healthy), but he's on the DL now, so forget him anyway
Wow, didn't see the DL. Never mind.
LIYanks
07-26-09, 09:51 PM
I understand your point... but add in Joba's inning limit and our starting depth (unless we give Igawa a shot) we need a starter. However, I think we can get Wash or Bedard without giving up top prospect "stuff". Seattle can wish for the moon but be stuck with the contracts and no postseason.
Is Joba's inning limit for real? If we don't pick up another starter, will Joe let Joba exceed 150 innings this year?
smckdwn989
07-26-09, 10:14 PM
2 starts and twice the yankees have been in both games, that's all we could ask for out of him.
bmxstreetrider86
07-26-09, 10:14 PM
Yeah? It's still much higher than the average pitcher. In addition, his career ERA is 5.35 and WHIP is 1.55. That's not good, and there's no indication right now that he can be much better. So I hope I'm wrong, but he doesn't appear to be very good despite having decent stuff.
like 26 points, not 100
Swishilisious
07-26-09, 11:20 PM
You know I love posts like this.
So he's never been a good pitcher at any point in his career? You mean like the only time he was ever a starting pitcher for an entire season, in 2007, with his 3.95 FIP? His highwatermark on innings was 61 previous to that year.
Not saying he's the next coming. He can certainly hold down a #5 starter spot, though. And it's not as though he's going to be starting in the playoffs.
Oh, and Baltimore isn't bad offensively. So your argument lists a bit there as well. (edit, apparently I'm wrong on that one. Whoops.)Mitre for 2007:
149IP 180H 41BB 80K 4.8 K9 93 ERA+
And thats in a pitchers park in the NL. That is terrible. And he has been mediocre at best against 2 (yes 2) awful hitting teams.
Swishilisious
07-26-09, 11:21 PM
In my post I said "barring any trades". Ideally Id rather have someone like Washburn, Bedard or Lee but since its a tough trade market and teams seem to only want Hughes or Joba theres a real possibility that theres not a deal out there. If thats the case then we have to make due with Mitre or try someone else from the system.There is no one is in the system to fill that role right now.
Swishilisious
07-26-09, 11:23 PM
Aaron Small, Shawn Chacon.
Why not Sergio Mitre?
Of course a trade for Halladay is far more impressive but if Sergio Mitre can continue to give us 5, 6 innings every outing, Cash should go out and get another OF instead. So lets sign more 32 year old minor league journeymen and hope that they go 10-0. Good plan.
sweet_lou_14
07-26-09, 11:28 PM
Aaron Small, Shawn Chacon.
Why not Sergio Mitre?
Of course a trade for Halladay is far more impressive but if Sergio Mitre can continue to give us 5, 6 innings every outing, Cash should go out and get another OF instead.
I was at Game 3 of the 2005 ALDS. The one where the Yankees' offense actually overcame an awful start by RJ and then Aaron Small couldn't hold the lead.
I want to win a championship. No offense to Sergio Mitre, but let's get a real pitcher in here.
Dannman103
07-26-09, 11:28 PM
Aaron Small, Shawn Chacon.
Why not Sergio Mitre?
Of course a trade for Halladay is far more impressive but if Sergio Mitre can continue to give us 5, 6 innings every outing, Cash should go out and get another OF instead.
Sidney Ponson, Darrell Rasner.
Why not Sergio Mitre?
Not every mediocre starter that the Yankees bring in becomes better for them. Most of the time, they don't. Counting on Mitre to to be anything more than a spot starter is most likely asking too much. They need to make a deal for more starting pitching.
And god forbid another pitcher goes down with an injury. Then Sergio is the 4th starter? They need more pitching depth if they're going to go far in the postseason.
I think we're okay if we trade for one starter---lets assume its a Washburn-type #3. So your rotation becomes:
CC
AJ
Washburn-type guy
Joba
Andy
I think w/Joba's inning limits, they will skip his spot when they can and simply be careful with his innings...i.e take him out after 5 or 6 more often. When the playoffs roll around, Joba goes to the pen. Your playoff rotation becomes:
CC
AJ
Washburn-type guy
Andy
washburn in AL east = andy
and i like andy and have no problem with what he's giving us.
leutbneot
07-31-09, 07:41 PM
Whoooo, boy. If that first inning was any indication, we are in for a loooooong night. C'mon, Sergio... get it together.
EDIT: And it just keeps getting worse. Is the grass at US Cellular Field particularly slippery or do our starters have particularly shoddy cleats?
teknetic
07-31-09, 07:53 PM
He is what he is.
and he isn't a 5th starter.
justtxyank
07-31-09, 07:54 PM
Sigh.
DaSh 1s
07-31-09, 07:54 PM
its getting ugly
HondaCop
07-31-09, 07:56 PM
Sergio is surely making Cashman look like a fool tonight.
DaYanks24
07-31-09, 07:56 PM
He wasn't good enough for the NL. He should be nowhere near the Yankee roster.
dabomb2045
07-31-09, 07:56 PM
DFA. After this game.....we cannot survive with this guy in the rotation.
shadyridr
07-31-09, 07:58 PM
Good thing we didnt trade for a pitcher
HondaCop
07-31-09, 07:59 PM
Let me get this straight. We needed to replace Wang on the rotation, because he was injured. Well guess what folks. We went out and got a healthy pitcher that pitches exactly like an injured Wang. Outstanding.
b_joseph
07-31-09, 07:59 PM
Cant be upset with him. Its like giving a child your car and asking them to drive you around.
What do you expect to happen?
teknetic
07-31-09, 08:05 PM
Cant be upset with him. Its like giving a child your car and asking them to drive you around.
What do you expect to happen?
Quite a few people expected him to rebound and be something he never was, a Major League caliber pitcher.
All that FIP and "balls finding holes" talk was a bit silly, it'd hold weight if this guy had a history of success. I have no idea why people bought into it.
Maynerd
07-31-09, 08:05 PM
Maynerd is not a fan of Mitre.
hellonewman
07-31-09, 08:06 PM
Quite a few people expected him to rebound and be something he never was, a Major League caliber pitcher.
All that FIP and "balls finding holes" talk was a bit silly, it'd hold weight if this guy had a history of success. I have no idea why people bought into it.Ah, I see you've been to the Cashman thread today. ;)
Rocketbooster
07-31-09, 08:07 PM
Good thing we didnt trade for a pitcher
Good think the Ms didn't demand Austin Jackson for a 2 month rental............
behindenemylines
07-31-09, 08:08 PM
Quite a few people expected him to rebound and be something he never was, a Major League caliber pitcher.
All that FIP and "balls finding holes" talk was a bit silly, it'd hold weight if this guy had a history of success. I have no idea why people bought into it.
The Yankees will only be 1.5 games ahead of Boston after tonight. Then, when they actually play Boston, they can very easily find themselves in second.
We needed another starter, or perhaps a reliever so we could move Phil into the rotation as #5. We got neither. Thank you Brian, for nothing.
CalYankeeFan
07-31-09, 08:09 PM
Cant be upset with him. Its like giving a child your car and asking them to drive you around.
What do you expect to happen?
That 7 year old did pretty good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf63lu4ZczQ
HondaCop
07-31-09, 08:11 PM
Thank you Brian, for nothing.
Oh no! We got Hairston Jr, so he can platoon with Ransom. Isn't that outstanding?
NelsonMuntz
07-31-09, 08:14 PM
He's not ... well, he's not good.
JohnnyEllis
07-31-09, 08:14 PM
My kingdom for Jeff Karstens, circa 2006.
behindenemylines
07-31-09, 08:15 PM
Oh no! We got Hairston Jr, so he can platoon with Ransom. Isn't that outstanding?
Sorry- I stand corrected! Brian sure earned his salary today:D
HondaCop
07-31-09, 08:15 PM
"You can put it on the booooooooooooooooooooard, YES!!!"
Blah! Mitre = Contreras
DaYanks24
07-31-09, 08:16 PM
He's so bad it's almost comical. He belongs on the Nationals or Padres, not the Yankees.
mega00byte
07-31-09, 08:16 PM
is he wearing carl pavanos number? i'm having bad flashbacks
Bostonsfavson
07-31-09, 08:17 PM
I long for the heady days of Sidney Ponson.
HondaCop
07-31-09, 08:17 PM
I think we were better off with Wang pitching left handed.
joesalto
07-31-09, 08:17 PM
this is painful
LIYanks
07-31-09, 08:18 PM
I stand corrected. No more experimenting with unknown pitchers at the big league level. After all, we are the New York Yankees. :P
please tell me you are joking
Am I joking now?
HondaCop
07-31-09, 08:20 PM
Since the trade deadline just passed, I wonder if we could get a box of balls for Mitre?
or maybe because he has good stuff? did you even see him pitch today? its not like he got lucky today. im not sold on his slider yet, but he was impressive, and not giving him a second start is unreasonable
Is he still impressive?
A PLAYER
07-31-09, 08:21 PM
Cashman should just DFA this guy and take him out of his misery. That way Girardi CAN'T start this guy again. This is an insult to our Triple A and Double A pitchers. The guy got busted for a bad drug test, missed 50 games, so they promote him to the big time. What's wrong with this picture?
HondaCop
07-31-09, 08:22 PM
This is an insult to our batting practice pitchers
There, fixed it for you.
please tell me we are dfa'n him tomorrow or tonight?
justtxyank
07-31-09, 08:30 PM
I don't think they can just DFA him because they have no one to replace him with.
HondaCop
07-31-09, 08:30 PM
Mitre will turn it around soon...
BroadwayBomber55
07-31-09, 08:31 PM
Mitre will turn it around soon...
Either get bombed or keep the game close. Sergio Mitre is no world beater.
justtxyank
07-31-09, 08:32 PM
How long before waiver deals can get made?
HondaCop
07-31-09, 08:33 PM
Sergio Mitre is no world beater.
I wouldn't say that around Cashman, if I were you.
BroadwayBomber55
07-31-09, 08:35 PM
I wouldn't say that around Cashman, if I were you.
Well, Brian Cashman and I have different opinions.
We agree to disagree.
leutbneot
07-31-09, 08:35 PM
Mitre will turn it around soon...
What possible reason do you have for thinking this? I don't think he's ever demonstrated proficiency at the Major League level, and he was a PED guy to boot. Yikes. Get this man off my Yankees.
Watching games like this really shows the caliber of fan you are. If you can sit through this game, you are a die-hard believer. I think most people that would call themselves Yankee fans are turning off their TVs / MLB.tv for this debacle. Games like this give me a cold, horrible feeling in my stomach.
Art Vanderlay
07-31-09, 08:35 PM
Here's the question, how do you send him to the mound against the Red Sox next week?
Bostonsfavson
07-31-09, 08:37 PM
Here's the question, how do you send him to the mound against the Red Sox next week?
Here's the answer: you don't.
Yankees13
07-31-09, 08:37 PM
Here's the question, how do you send him to the mound against the Red Sox next week?
I swear, if don't rearrange the rotation...
BroadwayBomber55
07-31-09, 08:38 PM
Here's the question, how do you send him to the mound against the Red Sox next week?
I don't. Sergio Mitre is an adventure on the mound.
justtxyank
07-31-09, 08:38 PM
I swear, if don't rearrange the rotation...
This is why you HAD to make a deal for someone. Starting Sergio Mitre down the stretch can cost you the playoffs.
themgmt
07-31-09, 08:40 PM
Sergio Meat-Tray
Nothing but meatballs.
Yankees13
07-31-09, 08:40 PM
This is why you HAD to make a deal for someone. Starting Sergio Mitre down the stretch can cost you the playoffs.
Exactly, it didn't have to be a world beater. We're pretty much putting a human white flag out there every 5th day.
teknetic
07-31-09, 08:43 PM
Tomko, Berroa, Veras, and Ransom were given months to do nothing, but suck.
He's gonna be starting.
LIYanks
07-31-09, 08:43 PM
This is why you HAD to make a deal for someone. Starting Sergio Mitre down the stretch can cost you the playoffs.
I have no reason to believe that a savvy GM like Cashman would even contemplate starting Sergio Mitre down the stretch run.
justtxyank
07-31-09, 08:44 PM
I have no reason to believe that a savvy GM like Cashman would even contemplate starting Sergio Mitre down the stretch run.
He's had three starts already...
Yankees13
07-31-09, 08:45 PM
Tomko, Berroa, Veras, and Ransom were given months to do nothing, but suck.
He's gonna be starting.
Yup, and part of the problem is the Yankees have no one to replace him, but honestly I'd try to catch lightening in a bottle with someone else, anyone else at this point.
Yankees13
07-31-09, 08:46 PM
I have no reason to believe that a savvy GM like Cashman would even contemplate starting Sergio Mitre down the stretch run.
Wang has been a serious injury question for a month now, he had plenty of time to remedy the situation.
dave8274
07-31-09, 08:50 PM
I don't think they can just DFA him because they have no one to replace him with.
Never thought I'd say this, but Igawa is a better option.
LIYanks
07-31-09, 08:53 PM
He's had three starts already...
Maybe Cashman does not think we are in the stretch run yet. :(
It is frustrating to watch the likes of Sergio Mitre starting games for NYY. I hope he does not start against the Red Sox next week.
Never thought I'd say this, but Igawa is a better option.
Never thought I would say this.... I agree.
MikeHitman
07-31-09, 09:59 PM
This Guy Sucks. 3 Innings 5 Runs. Get Out Of My Organization
BonusCantos
07-31-09, 10:13 PM
7.90 ERA. The experiment is over, and if it isn't, God help us all.
bluetree
07-31-09, 10:22 PM
No doubt, this guy can't remain our #5 if we want to be in the playoffs.
The Dream
07-31-09, 10:36 PM
He needs more time.
He needs more time? How much time? He actually needs to go.
Girardi in the YES postgame: "He's gonna pitch for us. He had a bad start, he just didn't have his good stuff tonight. He's gonna pitch for us."
The Dream
07-31-09, 10:45 PM
Girardi in the YES postgame: "He's gonna pitch for us. He had a bad start, he just didn't have his good stuff tonight. He's gonna pitch for us."
He never ever admits to anything, he always has an excuse for all his players. Bad this, bad that. Mitre sucks, end of story. 5IP, 3ER is the best you can get out of him.
JfromJersey
07-31-09, 11:22 PM
Girardi in the YES postgame: "He's gonna pitch for us. He had a bad start, he just didn't have his good stuff tonight. He's gonna pitch for us."
Girardi must be a glutton for punishment. Every Mitre start will be his form of S&M.
fellows
07-31-09, 11:26 PM
On the post game Pete Abraham mentioned that Mitre was giving up two hits per inning and Joe said something like "right now we don't have any other options".
hellonewman
07-31-09, 11:27 PM
I noticed Zach Kroenke came out of the pen to make a 4-inning start for Scranton a few days ago ... I know they've been short of starters so that might be why, but is it possible he's next on the firing line?
It's REALLY thin down there. :(
CTyankeefan
07-31-09, 11:32 PM
Stop blaming Mitre. He knows he stinks, we know he stinks. It's the fault of the people who put him in this situation. I just can't fathom that the Yankees have no other options for SP, and didn't make any moves at the deadline.
MikeYank
07-31-09, 11:36 PM
Phil to the starting rotation, please.....
YankeeinCT
07-31-09, 11:39 PM
Phil to the starting rotation, please.....
And then we have less of a bullpen.
CTyankeefan
07-31-09, 11:46 PM
Phil to the starting rotation, please.....
Robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Awful deadline job by Cash.
unfamous loser
08-01-09, 12:08 AM
Robbing Peter to pay Paul.
That was when they turned their only two pieces of starting depth (for a rotation featuring a disaster in Wang, an old Pettitte, and an IP limited Joba) into relievers in the first place.
That's why they're in this situation with Mitre and, inevitably, Igawa starting for them now.
Stop blaming Mitre. He knows he stinks, we know he stinks. It's the fault of the people who put him in this situation. I just can't fathom that the Yankees have no other options for SP, and didn't make any moves at the deadline.
Who was he supposed to get? Washburn for A-Jax?
DEADSOX
08-01-09, 01:01 AM
Stellar start, I'll tell you what. Keep running him out there, we don't need to win every 5th day anyway, that's asking too much. Sindey Ponson, 2009 version. Good job Cashman. Let Ransom ................ing pitch.
Swishilisious
08-01-09, 01:08 AM
Who was he supposed to get? Washburn for A-Jax?Boston got an all star player for peanuts. The Tigers got Washburn for pennies on the dollar. The Phillies got Cliff Lee. The only way cashman can get players is to write checks. Period.
Mr. Sparkle
08-01-09, 01:12 AM
Who was he supposed to get? Washburn for A-Jax?
Yeah, why not? You mean Austin Jackson, the right-handed version of Brett Gardner who strikes out much, much more, has only topped out at .307 so far in the minors and hasn't shown much power? 91 strikeouts and 34 walks (almost 3 Ks for every walk) so far this year and a .795 OPS at AAA? Yeah, I'd give that one a shot. After all, outfielders like that are almost impossible to find.
If the Mariners wanted to make that deal, I would have driven Jackson to the airport myself.
Mr. Sparkle
08-01-09, 01:16 AM
Boston got an all star player for peanuts. The Tigers got Washburn for pennies on the dollar. The Phillies got Cliff Lee. The only way cashman can get players is to write checks. Period.
I would also agree with this. I doubt the proposal for a Washburn deal solely included Austin Jackson and maybe a bag of balls. Given past history as an indicator, it's likely when Cashman made the call, The M's probably asked for Jackson, Hughes, Chamberlain and Cervelli.
Slioman
08-01-09, 04:35 AM
I would also agree with this. I doubt the proposal for a Washburn deal solely included Austin Jackson and maybe a bag of balls. Given past history as an indicator, it's likely when Cashman made the call, The M's probably asked for Jackson, Hughes, Chamberlain and Cervelli.
Reports said the Mariners wanted A-Jax or Montero, either or.
Austin3
08-01-09, 04:54 AM
I think it's time for the 8th inning combo of Coke/Hughes to become the Melancon/Coke combo. I know this weekens the pen, but so does a starter lasting 3 innings. Melancon has looked solid the last 2 outings, and Hughes needs to be in the rotation. This is only magnified by the fact our #5 is going to get more starts if we're skipping Joba a few times to save his innings.
He never ever admits to anything, he always has an excuse for all his players. Bad this, bad that. Mitre sucks, end of story. 5IP, 3ER is the best you can get out of him.
you'd rather he came out and bashed his players in front of the media every game?
someone get me a facepalm pic.
Rocketbooster
08-01-09, 08:54 AM
Yeah, why not? You mean Austin Jackson, the right-handed version of Brett Gardner who strikes out much, much more, has only topped out at .307 so far in the minors and hasn't shown much power? 91 strikeouts and 34 walks (almost 3 Ks for every walk) so far this year and a .795 OPS at AAA? Yeah, I'd give that one a shot. After all, outfielders like that are almost impossible to find.
If the Mariners wanted to make that deal, I would have driven Jackson to the airport myself.
Whew, thank goodness you're not the GM..........wow, that would have been a dumb move (and that's being kind)
Rocketbooster
08-01-09, 08:56 AM
Boston got an all star player for peanuts. The Tigers got Washburn for pennies on the dollar. The Phillies got Cliff Lee. The only way cashman can get players is to write checks. Period.
LOL Cash should have bought a gun and held it to those team's heads.....yes, that's exactly what he should have done. There's no excuse for not forcing the other GMs to trade with you. Sure, trade Montero or Jackson or Phil or Joba for Washburn........and trade Phil for Cliff Lee. lol
Sixty one
08-01-09, 10:28 AM
Is Igawa that bad a risk that the Yanks won't take another chance with him or are there better options out there in the majors and the Yanks are waiting until they become available??
Swishilisious
08-01-09, 10:28 AM
LOL Cash should have bought a gun and held it to those team's heads.....yes, that's exactly what he should have done. There's no excuse for not forcing the other GMs to trade with you. Sure, trade Montero or Jackson or Phil or Joba for Washburn........and trade Phil for Cliff Lee. lolYeah. All other GM's are out there to screw the yankees and help boston and other potential playoff teams. Keep using that excuse for Cashman and you're missing the forest for the trees.
BeantownYankee
08-01-09, 10:35 AM
LOL Cash should have bought a gun and held it to those team's heads.....yes, that's exactly what he should have done. There's no excuse for not forcing the other GMs to trade with you. Sure, trade Montero or Jackson or Phil or Joba for Washburn........and trade Phil for Cliff Lee. lol
or maybe Cash is just not a good negotiator....
Other teams GM: We want Phil, Joba, and 2 top prospects
Cashman: I can't do that ... hangs up
Other teams GM: Theo we want the no-hit wonder, Lowre, and bard
Theo: I can't do that, but I can do this...and I can see this player fitting perfectly on your team, he's groomed for your environment....yada yada yada
Other teams GM: Interesting...lets keep talking...
JavyVazquezIsSick
08-01-09, 10:36 AM
Waste of money. Call up Kei.
BeantownYankee
08-01-09, 10:37 AM
Waste of money. Call up Kei.
never thought I'd see the day where we actually wanted Kei to pitch
Yankee Tripper
08-01-09, 10:38 AM
Very Ponsonesque. I'm ready to try plan D, whatever that is.
dabomb2045
08-01-09, 10:38 AM
On the post game Pete Abraham mentioned that Mitre was giving up two hits per inning and Joe said something like "right now we don't have any other options".
Its downright pathetic that a team with the financial resources like the Yanks have....would ever settle for a piece of crap like Mitre in their rotation, and when he predictably is terrible, throw their hands up in the air and say "we dont have any other options".
dabomb2045
08-01-09, 10:41 AM
never thought I'd see the day where we actually wanted Kei to pitch
Neither did I. He's been good in AAA for two years now....and honestly he couldnt be any worse then Mitre has been.
Yankees13
08-01-09, 10:41 AM
I'll give them one more start to figure out what to do, but if they start him against Boston, I'm selling my tickets for that game (of course I have tickets to the game where he's supposed to pitch), and I'm done with Cashman/Girardi. You can't continue to piss away games in a pennant race like this (people think we're a lock for the wild card at the least, but Texas is only 3 behind us), especially having him start the biggest game of the year.
primetime714
08-01-09, 10:42 AM
He never ever admits to anything, he always has an excuse for all his players. Bad this, bad that. Mitre sucks, end of story. 5IP, 3ER is the best you can get out of him.
We don't have any other options. What do you expect him to say? Who takes his spot? Aceves? He didn't pitch well and seems to need some more time off. Hughes? Not stretched out and with Aceves struggling we need him in the bullpen. Nova? He's clearly not ready. Igawa?- I'll take my chances with Mitre before I go with Igawa.
Yankees13
08-01-09, 10:42 AM
Neither did I. He's been good at AAA for two years now....and honestly he couldnt be any worse then Mitre has been.
Hell, if the 5th starter is going to be pitching against the Sox, I rather it be Igawa. He shut them down in that game where Karstens broke his leg.
dabomb2045
08-01-09, 10:44 AM
Hell, if the 5th starter is going to be pitching against the Sox, I rather it be Igawa. He shut them down in that game where Karstens broke his leg.
Yeah I remember that. His one shining moment.
Is anyone else extremely bothered by the idea that after being 0-8 against Boston....we go into a huge 4 game series w/them...and have to "set the tone" of the series by sending out Mitre?
I mean yeah--way to start a big "statement" series.
Yankees13
08-01-09, 10:49 AM
Yeah I remember that. His one shining moment.
Is anyone else extremely bothered by the idea that after being 0-8 against Boston....we go into a huge 4 game series w/them...and have to "set the tone" of the series by sending out Mitre?
I mean yeah--way to start a big "statement" series.
Couldn't agree more with you. That might be the biggest game of the season. If we win, I'm confident we will take the series, if we lose, then we're 0-9 and it may all start to snowball. I can't believe they're going to start Mitre when they could start Burnett and avoid Mitre in the series all together.
Rocketbooster
08-01-09, 11:30 AM
Yeah. All other GM's are out there to screw the yankees and help boston and other potential playoff teams. Keep using that excuse for Cashman and you're missing the forest for the trees.
And you keep blaming Cashman and we'll all be happy
Rocketbooster
08-01-09, 11:31 AM
or maybe Cash is just not a good negotiator....
Other teams GM: We want Phil, Joba, and 2 top prospects
Cashman: I can't do that ... hangs up
Other teams GM: Theo we want the no-hit wonder, Lowre, and bard
Theo: I can't do that, but I can do this...and I can see this player fitting perfectly on your team, he's groomed for your environment....yada yada yada
Other teams GM: Interesting...lets keep talking...
Feel free to think that and assume the worst of Cash..........that's not for me. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
89FoxBody
08-01-09, 11:34 AM
This guy needs to get off the team.
Too bad we did absolutely nothing at the trade deadline.
Washburn and Cliff Lee were both traded without giving up any top-tier prospects. Luke French is hardly Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes.
Young Steinbrenner
08-01-09, 02:11 PM
:enraged:ATTENTION:enraged:
I want everyone to know: I officially hate Sergio Mitre.
:soapbox:
I want this bum off my team. ASAP.
He is the new scapegoat. If we lose, and Sergio's somewhere in the stadium, it's all his fault. If I stub my toe on the nightstand, etc., I'm blaming Sergio.
Thanks everybody!
Again, I repeat: Mitre is crap.
OK I'm done now.
flymick24
08-01-09, 02:13 PM
i wish he'd get another tommy john
Young Steinbrenner
08-01-09, 02:24 PM
Very Ponsonesque.
:clap:yes, he IS very Ponson-ish
teknetic
08-01-09, 02:25 PM
This guy needs to get off the team.
Too bad we did absolutely nothing at the trade deadline.
Washburn and Cliff Lee were both traded without giving up any top-tier prospects. Luke French is hardly Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes.
Mariners asked for AJax. Lee would have cost more to keep in the same league.
Young Steinbrenner
08-01-09, 02:25 PM
Mitre, nobody likes you....just go home and stay there.
hellonewman
08-01-09, 02:54 PM
:clap:yes, he IS very Ponson-ishAt least there was something vaguely amusing about Sidney. This guy is just depressing. :(
bomber999
08-01-09, 03:09 PM
And you keep blaming Cashman and we'll all be happy
Booster, he is the GM of this club and it is his job to construct a team which can with the WS. He has the resources of the Yankees (which are greater than any other team, even with the supposed "constraints" being talked about for this trading deadline) and constantly builds teams top-heavy on premium talent but lacking the depth to withstand a long season and the inevitable injuries which occur and with which all teams have to deal. The fact that this team is so poorly constructed that one injury to Wang has caused them to have to rely on Phil (your boy, I know!) out of the bullpen and have no other options but Mitre (a Marlins waive!!!!) for 5th starter during a tight playoff race in the toughest division in baseball.
If you want the power and control, you take the responsiblity for the team's poor decisions and organizational failures. Simple as that.
Sixty one
08-03-09, 10:10 AM
I think Sir Sidney is available again.:D :D
Yankee Fan in Boston
08-03-09, 10:28 AM
Booster, he is the GM of this club and it is his job to construct a team which can with the WS. He has the resources of the Yankees (which are greater than any other team, even with the supposed "constraints" being talked about for this trading deadline) and constantly builds teams top-heavy on premium talent but lacking the depth to withstand a long season and the inevitable injuries which occur and with which all teams have to deal. The fact that this team is so poorly constructed that one injury to Wang has caused them to have to rely on Phil (your boy, I know!) out of the bullpen and have no other options but Mitre (a Marlins waive!!!!) for 5th starter during a tight playoff race in the toughest division in baseball.
If you want the power and control, you take the responsiblity for the team's poor decisions and organizational failures. Simple as that.
This is a reasonable point of view, but one only has to look as far as the Red Sox to see that starting pitching depth can be difficult to assess
Yankee Tripper
08-03-09, 10:49 AM
I think Sir Sidney is available again.:D :DAs bad as Mitre's been I may root for another team if they bring Sir Sidney back for a 3rd tour of duty.
hatfieldms
08-03-09, 10:53 AM
i wish he'd get another tommy john
Stay classy there guy
YESSIR!
08-03-09, 11:07 AM
At least he's not going to pitch in the Boston series.
PinstripeDynasty
08-03-09, 11:30 AM
The Yankees biggest problem isn't Mitre being the 5th starter. It's that he might soon become the 4th starter.
At least he's not going to pitch in the Boston series.
But the 6 innings of bullpen work needed on Tuesday night because of his lack of talent is going to have a big impact on the Boston series.
Young Steinbrenner
08-03-09, 11:50 AM
Booster, he is the GM of this club and it is his job to construct a team which can with the WS. He has the resources of the Yankees (which are greater than any other team, even with the supposed "constraints" being talked about for this trading deadline) and constantly builds teams top-heavy on premium talent but lacking the depth to withstand a long season and the inevitable injuries which occur and with which all teams have to deal. The fact that this team is so poorly constructed that one injury to Wang has caused them to have to rely on Phil (your boy, I know!) out of the bullpen and have no other options but Mitre (a Marlins waive!!!!) for 5th starter during a tight playoff race in the toughest division in baseball.
If you want the power and control, you take the responsiblity for the team's poor decisions and organizational failures. Simple as that.
:clap:
JfromJersey
08-03-09, 11:50 AM
In all seriousness, in 3 starts against teams with mediocre hitting, Mitre has an ERA close to 8.00 and a BAA of .400. He just may be the worst back of the rotation starter in the majors, and he's pitching for the Yankees. Does this make any sense?
Young Steinbrenner
08-03-09, 11:52 AM
I tripped and sprained my ankle today....
:-po'd-: MITRE!!!!:-po'd-:
teknetic
08-03-09, 11:52 AM
Halladay vs Pettitte. I hate predicting .......... but this could be an ugly two game series.
hatfieldms
08-03-09, 12:01 PM
Halladay vs Pettitte. I hate predicting .......... but this could be an ugly two game series.
I was thinking the exact same thing when I was looking at the match ups earlier. Hopefully Tampa will be able to trip Boston up before they come to NY
It looks like Andy is about to have his third straight game with no run support
Its downright pathetic that a team with the financial resources like the Yanks have....would ever settle for a piece of crap like Mitre in their rotation, and when he predictably is terrible, throw their hands up in the air and say "we dont have any other options".
the old financial resources argue is a strange problem. it is because we spend $200m on payroll that prevents us from having a better 5th starter than mitre. we are at our limit. not room left to bring a guy in. hell, we asked KC to kick in some cash to take bannister.
Rocketbooster
08-03-09, 02:58 PM
the old financial resources argue is a strange problem. it is because we spend $200m on payroll that prevents us from having a better 5th starter than mitre. we are at our limit. not room left to bring a guy in. hell, we asked KC to kick in some cash to take bannister.
We did that because the Royals were asking for top prospects. I've read in more than one place (no, I can't provide a link) that many teams were holding onto their cost-controlled players and were going to ask for a decent ransom if they were to be traded. An excellent and well-respected poster (who has connections) on Pete's blog (I understand if you guys are skeptical, but I believe him, so take it for what it's worth) said that the Royals asked the Yankees and other teams for very good prospects for Bannister. In the Yankees case, they might have been willing to trade the prospects if the Royals had eaten some of the contract. Since the Royals weren't willing to do it, no deal......and that appears to have been the case with other teams. In other words, the Royals would have traded Bannister if they could fleece the other team, but Bannister is hardly worthy of that.
Yankee Tripper
08-03-09, 03:18 PM
the old financial resources argue is a strange problem. it is because we spend $200m on payroll that prevents us from having a better 5th starter than mitre. we are at our limit. not room left to bring a guy in. hell, we asked KC to kick in some cash to take bannister.
IDK coming into the year the rotation was
CC
Wang
AJ
Joba
Andy
with this in the wings
Hughes
Acevas
Kennedy
Mitre was a after thought.
It isn't like the Yanks actually skimpped on the roation but who are you going to sign who is actually any good and tell them "Oh by the way you are are 7th starter but if we get hit with a bunch of injuries or shift our prized picthing porospect to the pen you have a decent chance to pitch meaningful innings in September"?
The only guys you'll get to sign up for that are the Sergio Mitre's, Eric Miltons, ect., guys who are trying to work their way back to the bigs becuase of injury or MLB failure.
IDK coming into the year the rotation was
CC
Wang
AJ
Joba
Andy
with this in the wings
Hughes
Acevas
Kennedy
Mitre was a after thought.
It isn't like the Yanks actually skimpped on the roation but who are you going to sign who is actually any good and tell them "Oh by the way you are are 7th starter but if we get hit with a bunch of injuries or shift our prized picthing porospect to the pen you have a decent chance to pitch meaningful innings in September"?
The only guys you'll get to sign up for that are the Sergio Mitre's, Eric Miltons, ect., guys who are trying to work their way back to the bigs becuase of injury or MLB failure.
sorry, i obviously didn't make myself clear. i meant that $200m prevents us from having a good backup 8 or 9th starter,
We did that because the Royals were asking for top prospects. I've read in more than one place (no, I can't provide a link) that many teams were holding onto their cost-controlled players and were going to ask for a decent ransom if they were to be traded. An excellent and well-respected poster (who has connections) on Pete's blog (I understand if you guys are skeptical, but I believe him, so take it for what it's worth) said that the Royals asked the Yankees and other teams for very good prospects for Bannister. In the Yankees case, they might have been willing to trade the prospects if the Royals had eaten some of the contract. Since the Royals weren't willing to do it, no deal......and that appears to have been the case with other teams. In other words, the Royals would have traded Bannister if they could fleece the other team, but Bannister is hardly worthy of that.
good info. thanks.
So is Girardi skipping Mitre's next start because of the off-day?
Yankee Tripper
08-03-09, 04:42 PM
So is Girardi skipping Mitre's next start because of the off-day?no, he's pushing Joba back a few days to try and limit his innings and because it has the added bonus of having Mitre not throw agianst Boston.
Rocketbooster
08-03-09, 05:16 PM
good info. thanks.
You're welcome!
It's frustrating that the Yanks couldn't get anything done, but IMO, they tried their best. I will not criticize Cash for not wanting to be held up.
dabomb2045
08-03-09, 08:18 PM
You're welcome!
It's frustrating that the Yanks couldn't get anything done, but IMO, they tried their best. I will not criticize Cash for not wanting to be held up.
No medals for trying. We needed a pitcher...he didnt get us one. He takes the heat for that.
Now we're stuck with a huge black hole in the #5 spot while dealing with a #3 who has an innings limit.
hatfieldms
08-03-09, 08:42 PM
No medals for trying. We needed a pitcher...he didnt get us one. He takes the heat for that.
Now we're stuck with a huge black hole in the #5 spot while dealing with a #3 who has an innings limit.
There were not many pitchers to be had out there, and if the rumors are true about what teams wanted from the Yankees for the pitchers they had then I am more than happy to see what he can pull off of waivers
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