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Yankee Fan in Boston
08-11-09, 12:03 PM
Ummm, next season he'll get a chance if he stays healthy.
You don't think they'll start him out of ST in the 5th starters role, do you?
Yankee Tripper
08-11-09, 12:05 PM
You don't think they'll start him out of ST in the 5th starters role, do you?No but he'll likely be in Scranton in the 6th starter role for the big club. When was the last time the Yanks used just 5 starters in a season?
JavyVazquezIsSick
08-11-09, 12:06 PM
You don't think they'll start him out of ST in the 5th starters role, do you?
I think they'll sign/trade for a starter in the offseason. They couldn't afford having Kennedy and Hughes in the rotation at once...again....
JavyVazquezIsSick
08-11-09, 12:07 PM
No but he'll likely be in Scranton in the 6th starter role for the big club. When was the last time the Yanks used just 5 starters in a season?
When was the last time any team used the same 5 starters all season?
Yankee Fan in Boston
08-11-09, 12:09 PM
No but he'll likely be in Scranton in the 6th starter role for the big club. When was the last time the Yanks used just 5 starters in a season?
I get that, but after essentially missing a year, I am not so sure he is going to be the first guy to get a call up. It would be a lot to count on him immediately being the same pitcher.
Yankee Fan in Boston
08-11-09, 12:10 PM
I think they'll sign/trade for a starter in the offseason. They couldn't afford having Kennedy and Hughes in the rotation at once...again....
That's what I think too... I just am not sure Kennedy will be #6 next year, and this is a pretty golden opportunity -- there is no one who is going to be come back and reclaim a job. 8-10 starts for someone to show they belong on the team
Yankee Tripper
08-11-09, 12:13 PM
I get that, but after essentially missing a year, I am not so sure he is going to be the first guy to get a call up. It would be a lot to count on him immediately being the same pitcher.I think how he does in winter ball, ST and AAA next year will determine where he is on the pecking order but assuming health, I think he has a good chance at being the 1st or 2nd guy called up.
Obviously what the Yanks do in FA and what they decide to do with Hughes and if they bring back Pettitte or not will all affect Kennedy.
Mitre should be gone in either case though in my humble opinion. It was a decent experiment as a 10th starter (or where ever he was on the org depth chart in spring) but it hasn't worked.
JavyVazquezIsSick
08-11-09, 12:15 PM
That's what I think too... I just am not sure Kennedy will be #6 next year, and this is a pretty golden opportunity -- there is no one who is going to be come back and reclaim a job. 8-10 starts for someone to show they belong on the team
I think he will. I don't think anyone in the minors is as good as him.
justtxyank
08-11-09, 12:15 PM
I think they'll sign/trade for a starter in the offseason. They couldn't afford having Kennedy and Hughes in the rotation at once...again....
Yeah they definitely will need to grab a starter for next season.
CC/Burnett/Joba
You can't count on Hughes and a minor leaguer to give you solid years as your 4/5, nor can you count on Burnett to stay healthy all year, and I still think Joba is a concern.
JavyVazquezIsSick
08-11-09, 12:19 PM
Agreed.
Anyone know the answer to that though. When was the last time a team had 5 starters and they didn't miss 1 start the whole season?
Ssacco08
08-11-09, 12:24 PM
Agreed.
Anyone know the answer to that though. When was the last time a team had 5 starters and they didn't miss 1 start the whole season?
Don't know if they didn't miss a start, but didn't the Rays' SPs from last year all throw over 150 IP?
Also, people think we should've acquired Washburn instead?
Humor me for a minute and pretend the Yankees do not have limitless resources. Pretend that the economy is lousy, that despite having a new stadium and the best record in baseball they didn't sell out their second game until August. Pretend that they've demonstrated a commitment to maintaining and possibly even reducing payroll. Furthermore, pretend that they have shown a commitment to developing talent from within the organization, and that they would not want to give up a top prospect for a temporary stopgap at the back of the rotation. Suspend disbelief for a moment and assume that acquiring Peavy, Halladay and Lee to round out the rotation behind CC and AJ is not realistic.
With this crazy scenario in mind, Jarrod Washburn makes 10 million dollars per year. That's MORE than the difference anually between signing a CC Sabathia and a Derek Lowe. On the other hand, Sergio Mitre is essentially free.
So:
CC, AJ, Andy, Joba, Mitre?
or
DLowe, AJ, Andy, Joba, Washburn?
Wasting money on mediocre veterans to fill unimportant roles leads to things like signing a CF who can barely play left field, instead of ponying up for Carlos Beltran. Or for a more timely example: if we took on Washburn's contract at the deadline last year, Nick Swisher is probably our starting 1B today.
talking sense around here is like talking dutch. all you'll get is blank stares from 99% of the posters.
sweet_lou_14
08-11-09, 12:46 PM
When was the last time any team used the same 5 starters all season?
I thought the Mariners did this very recently.
EDIT: I looked at all years back to 2004 and saw that they came close a couple of times but not quite.
Yankee Tripper
08-11-09, 12:47 PM
Also, people think we should've acquired Washburn instead?
Humor me for a minute and pretend the Yankees do not have limitless resources. Pretend that the economy is lousy, that despite having a new stadium and the best record in baseball they didn't sell out their second game until August. Pretend that they've demonstrated a commitment to maintaining and possibly even reducing payroll. Furthermore, pretend that they have shown a commitment to developing talent from within the organization, and that they would not want to give up a top prospect for a temporary stopgap at the back of the rotation. Suspend disbelief for a moment and assume that acquiring Peavy, Halladay and Lee to round out the rotation behind CC and AJ is not realistic.
With this crazy scenario in mind, Jarrod Washburn makes 10 million dollars per year. That's MORE than the difference anually between signing a CC Sabathia and a Derek Lowe. On the other hand, Sergio Mitre is essentially free.
So:
CC, AJ, Andy, Joba, Mitre?
or
DLowe, AJ, Andy, Joba, Washburn?
Wasting money on mediocre veterans to fill unimportant roles leads to things like signing a CF who can barely play left field, instead of ponying up for Carlos Beltran. Or for a more timely example: if we took on Washburn's contract at the deadline last year, Nick Swisher is probably our starting 1B today.
Are you talking about this year or last year?
Had they traded for Washburn last year they would not have signed Andy this year. Washburn's $10M garanteed would have simply replaced Andy's $6.5M guaranteed with reachable options to about $11.5M. That's close to a wash.
Had they traded for Washburn this year they would not have Mitre in the 5th starter spot right now but would have added about $3M in payroll and lost a picther on the caliber of Lucas French and a low level prospect - not sure who the organization equivalents of that package are/were.
Ssacco08
08-11-09, 12:54 PM
Don't know if they didn't miss a start, but didn't the Rays' SPs from last year all throw over 150 IP?
Shields, Sonnanstine, Garza, Jackson, and Kazmir combined for 153 starts last year.
Panamaniac42
08-11-09, 12:57 PM
Don't know if they didn't miss a start, but didn't the Rays' SPs from last year all throw over 150 IP?
Yeah their top 5 gave them 929 IP...crazy. Meanwhile, we got 404 IP from Andy and Moose and the rest was patchwork.
JavyVazquezIsSick
08-11-09, 12:58 PM
I thought the Mariners did this very recently.
EDIT: I looked at all years back to 2004 and saw that they came close a couple of times but not quite.
Interesting. I wonder if any team has done it within the modern era.
JavyVazquezIsSick
08-11-09, 12:58 PM
Shields, Sonnanstine, Garza, Jackson, and Kazmir combined for 153 starts last year.
Did anyone else start a game that season?
Ssacco08
08-11-09, 01:00 PM
Did anyone else start a game that season?
Hammel started 5 and then there were a few spot starters. I can't imagine a team in quite some time having only 5 starters throughout the course of a season.
Panamaniac42
08-11-09, 01:01 PM
Did anyone else start a game that season?
Hammel 5, Niemann 2, Price 1, Talbot 1
Alan Slocum
08-11-09, 01:01 PM
Why would Girardi want to throw up the white flag at 5-4? Ace shut them down completely and gave us a chance to come back and win.
And at the same time got stretched out for his next START in five days:P
Huktonfonix
08-11-09, 01:15 PM
2005 WS: Buehrle - 33, Garcia - 33, Garland - 32, Contreras - 32, Hernandez - 22, McCarthy - 10
That's about the most consistent pitching any team could ever hope for. It still annoys me how lucky that idiot Guillen got.
hellonewman
08-11-09, 01:56 PM
2005 WS: Buehrle - 33, Garcia - 33, Garland - 32, Contreras - 32, Hernandez - 22, McCarthy - 10
That's about the most consistent pitching any team could ever hope for. It still annoys me how lucky that idiot Guillen got.2004 Boston Red Sox: Schilling, Martinez, Wakefield, Lowe, Arroyo started 157 games. Kim 3, Astacio 1, Alvarez 1.
EDIT: 2003 Seattle Mariners used only 5. Moyer, Franklin, Pineiro, Garcia, Meche.
Alan Slocum
08-11-09, 02:02 PM
2004 Boston Red Sox: Schilling, Martinez, Wakefield, Lowe, Arroyo started 157 games. Kim 3, Astacio 1, Alvarez 1.
EDIT: 2003 Seattle Mariners used only 5. Moyer, Franklin, Pineiro, Garcia, Meche.
Nice. How many of them are still in the rotation?
hellonewman
08-11-09, 02:28 PM
Nice. How many of them are still in the rotation? :confused:
Phil-Me-Up
08-11-09, 02:44 PM
can we get carl pavano back?
The Dream
08-11-09, 04:47 PM
Pitching again on Saturday, than Guadin on Sunday. Why, just why?
Yankee Tripper
08-11-09, 04:54 PM
Pitching again on Saturday, than Guadin on Sunday. Why, just why?
Does that mean Joba on Monday? If so the YIPIEE! Nothing against AJ but I'd rather see Joba pitch on Monday. Purely selfish.
mitch300
08-11-09, 05:17 PM
Pitching again on Saturday, than Guadin on Sunday. Why, just why?I hope this isn't true. The bullpen can get overworked in games back to back.
The Dream
08-11-09, 05:33 PM
I hope this isn't true. The bullpen can get overworked in games back to back.
Pete Abe posted it. It's true as of now
MassNYYfan
08-11-09, 05:40 PM
talking sense around here is like talking dutch. all you'll get is blank stares from 99% of the posters.
"sense" = "agreeing with me always" ??
Pitching again on Saturday, than Guadin on Sunday. Why, just why?So the Yankees are going with a 6 man rotation? I understand the Yankees wanting to limit the innings for Joba, but having 2 pitchers starting with ERA's over 5 does not seem wise. I'd rather see Gaudin in Mitre's spot and see if he can add any stability there.
Rocketbooster
08-11-09, 06:48 PM
Yeah they definitely will need to grab a starter for next season.
CC/Burnett/Joba
You can't count on Hughes and a minor leaguer to give you solid years as your 4/5, nor can you count on Burnett to stay healthy all year, and I still think Joba is a concern.
At what point do we start treating AJ just like anyone else? He didn't miss any time last year and he hasn't had an ache or a pain this year........
WHen do we get this clown off the team?
Young Steinbrenner
08-12-09, 03:38 PM
All the Mitre apologists make me sick.
Even a mediocre performance is too much to ask for?
2004 Boston Red Sox: Schilling, Martinez, Wakefield, Lowe, Arroyo started 157 games. Kim 3, Astacio 1, Alvarez 1.
EDIT: 2003 Seattle Mariners used only 5. Moyer, Franklin, Pineiro, Garcia, Meche.
lowe wasn't even that good.
Pags&Rags
08-13-09, 12:16 PM
At what point do we start treating AJ just like anyone else? He didn't miss any time last year and he hasn't had an ache or a pain this year........
Better to be safe than sorry with AJ. The guy is 32 years old with an injury history as long as my arm. The Yankees would be smart to take it easy with him because he does not have the track record that CC does of pitching 200-plus innings multiple years in a row.
I agree with justtxyank that the Yankees will definitely be in the market for a starting pitcher or two in the offseason. Whether that search includes Andy Pettitte remains to be seen. But I think Andy will retire this time around. I think this is it for him win or lose.
So next year you have CC/AJ/Joba, Hughes, Aceves, Kennedy and Gaudin. I think at least one veteran starter will be acquired because you would expect Aceves and Gaudin to see some bullpen time and no one knows how Kennedy is going to pitch coming off of surgery. Frankly, he wasn't all that good when he was healthy.
Alan Slocum
08-13-09, 01:11 PM
I hope this isn't true. The bullpen can get overworked in games back to back.
Well, since Mitre only goes four in his starts, he should be able to do four the next day in relief:P
Alan Slocum
08-13-09, 01:17 PM
Better to be safe than sorry with AJ. The guy is 32 years old with an injury history as long as my arm. The Yankees would be smart to take it easy with him because he does not have the track record that CC does of pitching 200-plus innings multiple years in a row.
I agree with justtxyank that the Yankees will definitely be in the market for a starting pitcher or two in the offseason. Whether that search includes Andy Pettitte remains to be seen. But I think Andy will retire this time around. I think this is it for him win or lose.
So next year you have CC/AJ/Joba, Hughes, Aceves, Kennedy and Gaudin. I think at least one veteran starter will be acquired because you would expect Aceves and Gaudin to see some bullpen time and no one knows how Kennedy is going to pitch coming off of surgery. Frankly, he wasn't all that good when he was healthy.
If Pettitte retires, then yes, I think they might sign one FA SP. Otherwise, I say they go with what they already have, CC/AJ/Joba/Pettitte/Hughes. If that is the way it shakes out, they may consider taking a fling at another set-up guy, depending upon how Aceves, Bruney, Marte and Melancon do the balance of this season.
Rocketbooster
08-13-09, 05:09 PM
Better to be safe than sorry with AJ. The guy is 32 years old with an injury history as long as my arm. The Yankees would be smart to take it easy with him because he does not have the track record that CC does of pitching 200-plus innings multiple years in a row.
I agree with justtxyank that the Yankees will definitely be in the market for a starting pitcher or two in the offseason. Whether that search includes Andy Pettitte remains to be seen. But I think Andy will retire this time around. I think this is it for him win or lose.
So next year you have CC/AJ/Joba, Hughes, Aceves, Kennedy and Gaudin. I think at least one veteran starter will be acquired because you would expect Aceves and Gaudin to see some bullpen time and no one knows how Kennedy is going to pitch coming off of surgery. Frankly, he wasn't all that good when he was healthy.
I still don't get it. People keep mentioning that we have to continue to worry about AJ. If they want to, that's their prerogative, but he's now been healthy for nearly two full years. I realize that may not look so hot compared to the other 8 years, but it's pretty apparent that his new routine between starts and not going max effort has allowed AJ to remain healthy. I'm not suggesting he throw 130 pitches a game (I don't even want to push CC), I'm just saying that constant waiting for AJ to be hurt is sort of silly.
leutbneot
08-13-09, 05:57 PM
Had they traded for Washburn last year they would not have signed Andy this year. Washburn's $10M garanteed would have simply replaced Andy's $6.5M guaranteed with reachable options to about $11.5M. That's close to a wash.
Had they traded for Washburn this year they would not have Mitre in the 5th starter spot right now but would have added about $3M in payroll and lost a picther on the caliber of Lucas French and a low level prospect - not sure who the organization equivalents of that package are/were.
Washburn = :barf:
He was having a totally unsustainable season in Seattle due to amazing luck and great defense. Since being traded he's stunk up Detroit to the tune of an 8.74 ERA and a 1.7 WHIP. He's terrible and way overpaid. Andy is way better.
Washburn = :barf:
He was having a totally unsustainable season in Seattle due to amazing luck and great defense. Since being traded he's stunk up Detroit to the tune of an 8.74 ERA and a 1.7 WHIP. He's terrible and way overpaid. Andy is way better.
Washburn is also a very pronounced FB pitcher. IMO his ERA in NYS would be well over 5 a game.
ThePinStripes
08-13-09, 07:47 PM
I still don't get it. People keep mentioning that we have to continue to worry about AJ. If they want to, that's their prerogative, but he's now been healthy for nearly two full years. I realize that may not look so hot compared to the other 8 years, but it's pretty apparent that his new routine between starts and not going max effort has allowed AJ to remain healthy. I'm not suggesting he throw 130 pitches a game (I don't even want to push CC), I'm just saying that constant waiting for AJ to be hurt is sort of silly.
At this point, he's just as injury prone as any other pitcher, imo.
Rocketbooster
08-13-09, 08:02 PM
At this point, he's just as injury prone as any other pitcher, imo.
That's what I think...........and if he ends up on the DL because of something that happens all pitchers or players at some point, people will freak out. A lot of AJ's injuries were flukish - not the arm , obviously, but I think he's more sturdy at this point than people think.
ThePinStripes
08-13-09, 08:13 PM
I'm surprised they don't have quarter or mid season MRI's just to check some key muscles and ligaments of pitchers. Seems like a good way to keep a 30 day DL stint from becoming season ending surgery.
Alan Slocum
08-14-09, 11:22 AM
Repeat after me, "Its time to go Sergio, time to go";)
he's gonna be good this weekend. i feel it.
Alan Slocum
08-14-09, 12:18 PM
he's gonna be good this weekend. i feel it.
I really hope you are right, but don't bet the farm on it...
I really hope you are right, but don't bet the farm on it...
for some reason, i like this guy. he has something that the other scrubs we've used the last five years doesn't ... don't say it is a 7 ERA!!
:D
pleasepassthesoup
08-14-09, 12:30 PM
he's gonna be good this weekend. i feel it.
If he's not good against this Mariner lineup, he won't be good against anybody. They can't hit a lick.
Alan Slocum
08-14-09, 01:41 PM
If he's not good against this Mariner lineup, he won't be good against anybody. They can't hit a lick.
That is more fact than I suspect you intended. If he is not good against Seattle, he can't be good against anybody when Cashman designates him! Don't even ask Girardi about it, just do it!:P
bomber999
08-14-09, 11:42 PM
That is more fact than I suspect you intended. If he is not good against Seattle, he can't be good against anybody when Cashman designates him! Don't even ask Girardi about it, just do it!:P
Given that there is no one to replace him presently, he is not getting designated. He has a good gig going for him- he can completely suck, and his job is secure.
dabomb2045
08-14-09, 11:56 PM
If he cant pitch well against this terrible Seattle lineup....he should just retire on his own.
leutbneot
08-15-09, 03:37 AM
I think 6 IP, 3 ER is not out of the question tomorrow. If Sergio gives that to us (which admittedly would be his best start in pinstripes), we will take the game... although the way we've been playing lately, he could give us 3 IP and 6 ER and we'd still find a way to win. It's fun to have such a good team that Mitre can be your fifth starter and you still have a shot at 100 wins. :D
teknetic
08-15-09, 08:55 AM
The fun train comes to a screeching halt..
themgmt
08-15-09, 09:02 AM
"Sergy's been throwing the ball well for us. He pitched much better than his line." - Joey Girardi
"Sergy's been throwing the ball well for us. He pitched much better than his line." - Joey Girardi
yup, and i'm F****g Jessica Alba.
teknetic
08-15-09, 11:24 AM
I can't believe I have to wait till 10pm for this game and then watch him pitch.
Double barf.
JfromJersey
08-15-09, 11:50 AM
After he gets killed tonight I wonder what excuse Girardi will give for him?
Lets Win Again
08-15-09, 11:58 AM
After he gets killed tonight I wonder what excuse Girardi will give for him?
"Sergy did good, despite what his line says. (10 ER) He uh, did good! Andddd uhhhhhh.. GET THE CAR DAVE!"
*starts running*
ThePinStripes
08-15-09, 11:58 AM
He's perfect for the pen, imo.
Strikeout, groundout or single guy that can go multiple innings? Sign me up.
Mitre starting while Hughes is in the pen is a testament to how poorly this team is run.
themgmt
08-15-09, 12:02 PM
After he gets killed tonight I wonder what excuse Girardi will give for him?
"He threw the ball well for us, some balls found some holes and a few found the outfield seats. Aside from that, the walks, and the high pitch count, I thought he did a really good job tonight for us. But you have to remember, Sergy's coming of Surgery. He only went 4 innings for us but we've won 4 of his 6 starts so he's been good for us."
primetime714
08-15-09, 12:09 PM
Given that there is no one to replace him presently, he is not getting designated. He has a good gig going for him- he can completely suck, and his job is secure.
What?!? How do you figure that there is no one to replace him? Sure Joba is going to need extra rest, but we'll have days off for that. Gaudin will be in the rotation next week. Then we have Russ Ortiz dominating in AAA. We have Aceves pitching 4 innings out of the bullpen and he hasn't pitched since Mitre's last start. Jason Hirsh has been good in both of his starts. Josh Towers could clear waivers and be back with the team.
Sure we don't have many great options. And in all likelihood Sergio probably at least makes it to August when rosters extend, but his rotation spot is far from assured.
In fact after this start today he won't be in a line for another start until probably the White Sox series. Given his last performance against the White Sox I don't think we'd be too anxious to see that again. I wouldn't be surprised if he was moved into long relief. I could also see him being DFA'd. I mean we do need to bring Marte back soon and if its not Mitre that gets DFA'd, Robertson would need to go down. Plus its not like anyone is going to claim Mitre anyway.
JfromJersey
08-15-09, 12:10 PM
"He threw the ball well for us, some balls found some holes and a few found the outfield seats. Aside from that, the walks, and the high pitch count, I thought he did a really good job tonight for us. But you have to remember, Sergy's coming of Surgery. He only went 4 innings for us but we've won 4 of his 6 starts so he's been good for us."
lol..Surgery Mitre.
Yanks will need to score runs in bunches tonight.
Rocketbooster
08-15-09, 12:55 PM
What?!? How do you figure that there is no one to replace him? Sure Joba is gong to need extra rest, but we'll have days off for that. Gaudin will be in the rotation next week. Then we have Russ Ortiz dominating in AAA. We have Aceves pitching 4 innings out of the bullpen and he hasn't pitched since Mitre's last start. Jason Hirsh has been good in both of his starts. Kevin Towers could clear waivers and be back with the team.
Sure we don't have many great options. And in all likelihood Sergio probably at least makes it to August when rosters extend, but his rotation spot is far from assured.
In fact after this start today he won't be in a line for another start until probably the White Sox series. Given his last performance against the White Sox I don't think we'd be too anxious to see that again. I wouldn't be surprised if he was moved into long relief. I could also see him being DFA'd. I mean we do need to bring Marte back soon and if its not Mitre that gets DFA'd, Robertson would need to go down. Plus its not like anyone is going to claim Mitre anyway.
The Padres would love it if Kevin Towers passed waivers - they wouldn't have to pay his salary. Brian would also love it, lol
teknetic
08-15-09, 02:45 PM
"He threw the ball well for us, some balls found some holes and a few found the outfield seats. Aside from that, the walks, and the high pitch count, I thought he did a really good job tonight for us. But you have to remember, Sergy's coming of Surgery. He only went 4 innings for us but we've won 4 of his 6 starts so he's been good for us."
It's not too far fetched, this is the same guy who sat Damon last year because he was running the bases too much.
bomber999
08-15-09, 04:36 PM
He's perfect for the pen, imo.
Strikeout, groundout or single guy that can go multiple innings? Sign me up.
Mitre starting while Hughes is in the pen is a testament to how poorly this team is run.
Mitre cannot give us what Hughes can out of the pen.
bomber999
08-15-09, 04:39 PM
"He threw the ball well for us, some balls found some holes and a few found the outfield seats. Aside from that, the walks, and the high pitch count, I thought he did a really good job tonight for us. But you have to remember, Sergy's coming of Surgery. He only went 4 innings for us but we've won 4 of his 6 starts so he's been good for us."
Sadly, I can totally see Girardi saying much of this. I understand supporting your team, but sometimes he comes off downright foolish in his rose-colored outlook.
NelsonMuntz
08-15-09, 04:58 PM
"He threw the ball well for us, some balls found some holes and a few found the outfield seats. Aside from that, the walks, and the high pitch count, I thought he did a really good job tonight for us. But you have to remember, Sergy's coming of Surgery. He only went 4 innings for us but we've won 4 of his 6 starts so he's been good for us."
Sounds about right.
fellows
08-15-09, 05:07 PM
If he can't give one QS in six tries against below average lineups, then he has to go.
YESSIR!
08-15-09, 05:07 PM
Ichiro is going to absolutely demolish this clown. I'm terrified. Too many lefties in this M's lineup.
themgmt
08-15-09, 05:10 PM
If there was ever a time he turned in a quality start, it would be against the lowest scoring team in the AL, 6 runs from being the lowest scoring team in baseball.
Luckily a good portion of the east coast will either be asleep or out doing something fun so they wont be exposed to another Mitre.
b_joseph
08-15-09, 05:28 PM
Law of averages.
YanksFan1992
08-15-09, 06:28 PM
I sincerely hope he has a good outing tonight. But if he doesn't, we've really got to pull him from the rotation.
Mitre had better step-up and earn his keep tonight. If not, let Gaudin get a chance to replace him in the rotation. Of course with "Joba Rules" looming, maybe the Yankees really need to start working the waiver wire post-haste.
DEADSOX
08-15-09, 06:36 PM
I'm not expecting much tonight from this guy honestly.
ThePinStripes
08-15-09, 06:57 PM
Law of averages.
doesn't apply
ICEBERG18
08-15-09, 08:53 PM
He's going to get killed tonight, If Ichiro makes an out against him he should be benched.
JeterRodriguezSheff
08-15-09, 08:56 PM
I actually think Mitre's suck will work to Mitre's favor against Ichiro. Ichiro's game is slapping pitches in front of the outfielders to get on base. I think Mitre's pitches will be too hittable, and will actually result in Ichiro driving the ball out to where our outfielders can shag them down.
NYYRules#1
08-15-09, 08:58 PM
If he doesn't look good tonight, he HAS to get out of the rotation.
Pressure's on, Meat Tray. If you can't beat the M's, just get out.
JeterRodriguezSheff
08-15-09, 09:00 PM
I dont think they are taking him out of the out of the rotation regardless of what happens. They have a big enough lead where, as long as he keeps the team within striking distance through 5 or 6, they will live with him, imo.
Imagine how good this team would be if Wang was healthy and effective.
hellonewman
08-15-09, 10:06 PM
Wowza have we finally found a team he can get out?
bomber999
08-15-09, 10:10 PM
I actually think Mitre's suck will work to Mitre's favor against Ichiro. Ichiro's game is slapping pitches in front of the outfielders to get on base. I think Mitre's pitches will be too hittable, and will actually result in Ichiro driving the ball out to where our outfielders can shag them down.
Solid prediction.
Let's see him get through the lineup 2-3 times.
dabomb2045
08-15-09, 10:17 PM
Mitre's awfulness vs The Seattle lineup's complete ineptness
So far Mitre is winning....
primetime714
08-15-09, 10:32 PM
Mitre's awfulness vs The Seattle lineup's complete ineptness
So far Mitre is winning....
Yep he could make it through this outing in decent shape (knock on wood). However good or even ok hitting teams are going to continue to kill this guy. Seems like everything hit is hit relatively hard. He keeps the ball low, but guys aren't haven't too much trouble picking up on his 90 MPH 2 seam FB.
bomber999
08-15-09, 11:01 PM
Yep he could make it through this outing in decent shape (knock on wood). However good or even ok hitting teams are going to continue to kill this guy. Seems like everything hit is hit relatively hard. He keeps the ball low, but guys aren't haven't too much trouble picking up on his 90 MPH 2 seam FB.
He fools few, always seems to work deep into and behind in counts, and walks too many. His WHIP must be scary. He may be able to sneak by a putrid lineup, but he will consistently get lit up by even a decent one. I hope that even if his line looks decent tonight that Girardi won't fall in love with him as the 5th starter. I would like to see what Russ Ortiz might be able to give us.
he pitched solidly. some hard hit balls, but also some bad luck.
bmxstreetrider86
08-15-09, 11:06 PM
he pitched solidly. some hard hit balls, but also some bad luck.
no such thing as bad luck with mitre.
JeterRodriguezSheff
08-15-09, 11:06 PM
Mite actually hasnt looked THAT bad his last 2 starts for a fifth starter coming back from Tommy John. Bad defense and luck seems to have done him in. His stuff isnt that bad. I give him a few more starts. We have a 6.5 game lead at worst after this. We can afford to give him an opportunity, imo.
no such thing as bad luck with mitre.
two infield singles to a catcher? lol...
bmxstreetrider86
08-15-09, 11:07 PM
two infield singles to a catcher? lol...
sarcasm.
JeterRodriguezSheff
08-15-09, 11:07 PM
no such thing as bad luck with mitre.
Eh, little choppers that hang up there to score a run and giving up a run without giving up a hit or a walk is bad luck. He doesnt seem like he is killing us in the fifth starter spot to be honest.
jesterno2
08-15-09, 11:07 PM
dang man, this couldve been his best start as a yank but looks like some bad luck on some infield hits. seemed fairly economical through those first 5 innings, got some big outs, too bad he couldnt get out of this inning.
Grxmites
08-15-09, 11:08 PM
yep giadi shouldve started the bullpen up a few outs earlier instead of the last minute when they load the bases. Mitre looked decent tonight untill this inning. But i still think hes not reliable enough, too many tough situations he gets himself into.
bmxstreetrider86
08-15-09, 11:08 PM
Eh, little choppers that hang up there to score a run and giving up a run without giving up a hit or a walk is bad luck. He doesnt seem like he is killing us in the fifth starter spot to be honest.
it was sarcasm.
jesterno2
08-15-09, 11:13 PM
there you go robertson, way to pick him up!
primetime714
08-15-09, 11:22 PM
I hope that even if his line looks decent tonight that Girardi won't fall in love with him as the 5th starter.
Fat chance. He was already in love with Mitre in the 5th starter spot before this game.
primetime714
08-15-09, 11:25 PM
it was sarcasm.
in all seriousness though there really isn't. In each of his starts there always seems to be an excuse for his line.
bmxstreetrider86
08-15-09, 11:36 PM
in all seriousness though there really isn't. In each of his starts there always seems to be an excuse for his line.
this can be "the" excuse, no need for multiple. coming into the game he had a .405 BABIP, and i doubt that got any better tonight with 2 infield singles from the catcher. if that isnt bad luck i dont know how to otherwise describe it.
dabomb2045
08-16-09, 12:11 AM
He snuck by a awful lineup tonight. Good for him....I'm happy cuz a win is a win.
But lets not fool ourselves into thinking this guy will be able to shutdown good lineups. Luckily, he wont be making another start until the Texas series at the earliest.
ThePinStripes
08-16-09, 12:14 AM
Meh.
2nd worst offense in the league
hitters park
generous strikezone
Molina framing
Went 5.1 innings, left the bases loaded with 1 out, and got bailed out by Robertson.
Pretty much what I expected from him, overall.
BxBomber44
08-16-09, 12:15 AM
Average spot start.
jimmykey2
08-16-09, 12:19 AM
He wasn't that bad.
ThePinStripes
08-16-09, 12:23 AM
He wasn't that bad.
Oh, he was bad. Let's get that straight.
It's better than what most expected from him- and that's because D-Rob/the HP ump bailed him out. Don't forget that when you assess his start.
7 hits, 2 walks, left the bases juiced in the 5th with 1 out.
and that's with Cano getting the error on what should debatable be a double for Ichiro.
5.1IP against the second-worst offense in the league in a pitchers park (slightly) is hardly "no bad."
jimmykey2
08-16-09, 12:27 AM
Oh, he was bad. Let's get that straight.
It's better than what most expected from him- and that's because D-Rob bailed him out. However, 5.1IP against the second-worst offense in the league in a pitchers park (slightly) is hardly "no bad."
7 hits, 2 walks, left the bases juiced in the 5th with 1 out.
and that's with Cano getting the error on what should debatable be a double for Ichiro.
The bases were loaded after a guy hit the ball 10 feet. The second run scored by the Mariners was on a batted ball that went 30 feet in the air.
He really wasn't that bad regardless of the offense he faced.
Oh, he was bad. Let's get that straight.
It's better than what most expected from him- and that's because D-Rob/the HP ump bailed him out. Don't forget that when you assess his start.
7 hits, 2 walks, left the bases juiced in the 6th with 1 out.
and that's with Cano getting the error on what should debatable be a double for Ichiro.
5.1IP against the second-worst offense in the league in a pitchers park (slightly) is hardly "no bad."
edited.
leutbneot
08-16-09, 12:38 AM
The two infield singles by the M's catcher were unlucky. He wasn't terrible. That being said, DRob totally bailed him out and Mitre should buy him a sandwich or something.
roblyo33
08-16-09, 12:39 AM
If Joba had pitched this type of game, he would be receiving rave reviews.
The Dream
08-16-09, 12:40 AM
He still sucks. Make him long man and Dream is happy
ThePinStripes
08-16-09, 12:59 AM
If Joba had pitched this type of game, he would be receiving rave reviews.
Lol what? No he wouldn't.
And even if he did, he's 23 with a sky-high ceiling. This is Mitre's prime. Expectations are different for a 23 year old in his full season as a starter and a 28 year old..
The Dream
08-16-09, 01:02 AM
Lol what? No he wouldn't.
Yes he would've! Everyone would be saying "only 5 innings and mediocre pitching from this guy, what's new?"
ThePinStripes
08-16-09, 01:04 AM
Yes he would've! Everyone would be saying "only 5 innings and mediocre pitching from this guy, what's new?"
Not exactly a rave review.
DEADSOX
08-16-09, 01:14 AM
He was extremely unlucky tonight. Unfortunately this probably bought him another start.
JeterRodriguezSheff
08-16-09, 01:45 AM
If Joba had pitched this type of game, he would be receiving rave reviews.
Not really. Well maybe, if he was throwing hard. People seem to care more about his velocity than results these days. Joba is held to a high standard though around here considering his age. It isnt easy to put up a sub 4 ERA in the AL East at the age of 23. And he seems to be going through what Verlander went through last year. A little dip in velocity, that hopefully comes back next year.
JeterRodriguezSheff
08-16-09, 01:47 AM
Lol what? No he wouldn't.
And even if he did, he's 23 with a sky-high ceiling. This is Mitre's prime. Expectations are different for a 23 year old in his full season as a starter and a 28 year old..
To be fair Mitre is just coming back from Tommy John surgery. Its hard to expect much from him. I do think he will be a solid back end pitcher next year. Just not for the Yankees.
flymick24
08-16-09, 01:57 AM
he looked his part tonight.. a number 5 starter
can't really ask of him much more than he gave us.. plus the unlucky hits didn't help either
did what we needed tonight. in fact, i'm not as down on him as most people. if he could learn to turn the DP to second base, he might actually get into the 6th.
The Mariners manage to make even Mitre look good.
diogenes
08-16-09, 08:10 AM
his best outing thus far. if he can keep it up give it up to girardi and cashman.
ThePost
08-16-09, 09:20 AM
I'm proud of him, he gave us a chance to win last night
I'm proud of him, he gave us a chance to win last night
Agreed, most of the hits he gave up were infield singles. Mitre can help himself by taking soem extra fielding practice. I think the reason Tex had those unassisted putouts is because he didn't trust Mitre.
Ram Man
08-16-09, 09:39 AM
If we assume that he's not yet 100% following the surgery and therefore can get better, he has the potential to be a serviceable no. 5 starter considering that he's a ground ball pitcher. Ground balls will bail him out of some situations with DPs and he isn't likely to give up a lot of home runs.
NelsonMuntz
08-16-09, 10:13 AM
He snuck by a awful lineup tonight. Good for him....I'm happy cuz a win is a win.
But lets not fool ourselves into thinking this guy will be able to shutdown good lineups. Luckily, he wont be making another start until the Texas series at the earliest.
My sentiments exactly.
Mitre must be the most unlucky pitcher in the MLB. I have never seen so many ground ball singles as last night. I want one person to name me a better #5 starter in the majors.
I actually like Mitre as a starter. He doesn't walk many batters and he as shown that he has "swing and miss" stuff. He will be fine.
ThePinStripes
08-16-09, 10:53 AM
Mitre must be the most unlucky pitcher in the MLB. I have never seen so many ground ball singles as last night. I want one person to name me a better #5 starter in the majors.
It's because they are getting hit hard. It's not luck. Wang didnt have this problem.
They are either sinking, but over the middle of the plate,
or sinking just hard enough to get a GB, but not enough to keep them from being a rocket
or both.
smckdwn989
08-16-09, 11:28 AM
guy gets no credit. when he does a respectable job, he deserves some credit.
nnysiny
08-16-09, 12:24 PM
It's because they are getting hit hard. It's not luck. Wang didnt have this problem.
They are either sinking, but over the middle of the plate,
or sinking just hard enough to get a GB, but not enough to keep them from being a rocket
or both.
ground balls are ground balls, whether they are from strikes down the middle or on the black. the fact that Mitre produced an unusual amount of ground balls that find holes has nothing to do how he pitches compared to Wang. it doesnt look like he can be trusted to be a #5 until the season is over, but you cant say that a guy with a .390 BABIP and FIP 1.34 lower than his ERA isnt being unlucky
ThePinStripes
08-16-09, 12:26 PM
ground balls are ground balls, whether they are from strikes down the middle or on the black. the fact that Mitre produced an unusual amount of ground balls that find holes has nothing to do how he pitches compared to Wang. it doesnt look like he can be trusted to be a #5 until the season is over, but you cant say that a guy with a .390 BABIP and FIP 1.34 lower than his ERA isnt being unlucky
A lot of the ground balls were hit hard. Hard hit ground balls find holes easier than soft ground balls. Confusion?
nnysiny
08-16-09, 12:32 PM
A lot of the ground balls were hit hard. Hard hit ground balls find holes easier than soft ground balls. Confusion?
none at all. he may have given up hard GBs last night (i didnt watch), but that hasnt been the case for his whole season.
and no, they wont find holes easier if hit harder unless theyre overpowering the fielder, which also hasnt happened all season
hobokenfish
08-16-09, 12:33 PM
guy gets no credit. when he does a respectable job, he deserves some credit.
He certainly did a respectable job last night, but he still scares the crap out of me every time he pitches. He gives up a ton of base hits, and almost never has a 1-2-3 inning. The runs then come in bunches if he walks someone.
ThePinStripes
08-16-09, 12:37 PM
none at all. he may have given up hard GBs last night (i didnt watch), but that hasnt been the case for his whole season.
and no, they wont find holes easier if hit harder unless theyre overpowering the fielder, which also hasnt happened all season
Fielder can cover X feet per second. If it takes less time to get there, the fielder can cover less ground. Cover less ground = bigger holes. Bigger holes = easier to find.
Are we really arguing that soft hit ground balls are just as likely to get through the infield as hard hit ground balls? This is like arguing that line drives are just as easy to field as pop ups.
nnysiny
08-16-09, 12:40 PM
Fielder can cover X feet per second. If it takes less time to get there, the fielder can cover less ground. Cover less ground = bigger holes. Bigger holes = easier to find.
Are we really arguing that soft hit ground balls are just as likely to get through the infield as hard hit ground balls? This is like arguing that line drives are just as easy to field as pop ups.
the difference isnt what you are making it out to be. and as i already said, hes not giving up harder hit balls that way you are describing it, either. you still havent given me one tangible reason
JfromJersey
08-16-09, 12:59 PM
I have to give him some props for last night, but I won't jump on the Mitre bandwagon until he pitches likewise against a good offensive team.
As good as if not better than what we could have expected out of Harang or Arroyo. Close at least.
NelsonMuntz
08-16-09, 01:22 PM
A lot of the ground balls were hit hard. Hard hit ground balls find holes easier than soft ground balls. Confusion?
I agree with you. When Wang is at his best, the balls in play are being pounded into the ground. Granted Mitre had a few like that last night, but the majority of the hits he gives up are scorched. It's an oversimplification to simply attribute these hits to just bad luck.
ThePinStripes
08-16-09, 02:43 PM
I'm baffled. Harder hit balls are more likely to be hits. That applies to hard hit balls in the air and on the ground.
I looked up his GB stats. His sOPS+ for this stat is 124. (Lower is Better) If he had league average results when the batter hit a groundball, he'd have an sOPS+ of 100. If he was better than average, it would be below 100.
Something is obviously up with his GB.
and his sOPS+ on his flyballs is even worst (167!) and his line drives are bad too (126).
The dude is just getting hit hard.
BUT, in all fairness, I feel obligated to post this up. He's getting hit harder than everyone else, but he's not out-of-this-world hit hard.
I looked up what happens when he induces a ground ball.
GB Induced H from GM BA on GB
Hughes 65 17 0.262
Joba 157 41 0.261
Mitre 62 16 0.258
Pettitte 196 50 0.255
AJ 184 43 0.234
CC 213 49 0.230
CMW-07 375 30 0.205
Coke 47 8 0.170
Aceves 59 8 0.136
Mo 70 8 0.114
It looks like he's not the only one that has trouble recording outs with the GB. The difference, however, is that all the other guys had a good sOPS+ for flyballs and some of them get some serious Ks. If he can get K's like he did in his previous start, he might be okay, but contact is killing him. Ground ball, fly ball, line drive- you name it, the sOPS+ is higher. NOT a good sign.
Edit: Added Wang 07 for reference. His GB sOPS+ =68. That's pretty good, but this is why he was so good- ALL contact had better than average results.
sOPS+ for FB= 63.
sOPS+ Line Drive = 83
Wang was a good all around contact pitcher. Any contact made was weak, relative to the league averages. Mitre is similar, but all the contact they make- GB, FB, or LD, is hit HARD.
ThePinStripes
08-16-09, 02:55 PM
I agree with you. When Wang is at his best, the balls in play are being pounded into the ground. Granted Mitre had a few like that last night, but the majority of the hits he gives up are scorched. It's an oversimplification to simply attribute these hits to just bad luck.
Added CMW stats for you above.
JeffWeaverFan
08-16-09, 03:02 PM
We are now 4-2 in his 6 starts. I think we all would have signed up for that.
We are now 4-2 in his 6 starts. I think we all would have signed up for that.
totally. i would like us to hold onto him. he could be good depth for us next year.
Young Steinbrenner
08-17-09, 04:04 PM
I'm here to stop all the Mitre love, he has had 2 passable starts, 4 duds.
Quality? No.
Length? No.
But he's a living, breathing human, and he wears a Yankees uniform!
And hey, we're 4-2! 4-2!
:-ponder-:
Young Steinbrenner
08-17-09, 04:07 PM
"He threw the ball well for us, some balls found some holes and a few found the outfield seats. Aside from that, the walks, and the high pitch count, I thought he did a really good job tonight for us. But you have to remember, Sergy's coming of Surgery. He only went 4 innings for us but we've won 4 of his 6 starts so he's been good for us."
This is vintage Girardi speak :clap:
CallOfTheCrow
08-17-09, 04:17 PM
I'm here to stop all the Mitre love, he has had 2 passable starts, 4 duds.
Quality? No.
Length? No.
But he's a living, breathing human, and he wears a Yankees uniform!
And hey, we're 4-2! 4-2!
:-ponder-:
There's Mitre love let alone enough for you to "stop all the Mitre love"?
I don't see any posts that qualify.
Young Steinbrenner
08-18-09, 04:07 PM
"Mitre apologists" is probably more accurate.
I'm here to stop the Mitre apologists.
This is vintage Girardi speak :clap:
you'd rather girardi bash him?
themgmt
08-21-09, 10:07 PM
Still stinks.
The Greek
08-21-09, 10:07 PM
For the love of God, get off the team. Now.
Don Wrigley
08-21-09, 10:08 PM
As if there wasn't enough stat padding in this game, Sergio Mitre had to pad his ERA stat.
joesalto
08-21-09, 10:08 PM
I dont even want this guy for mop up duty
DaYanks24
08-21-09, 10:08 PM
The Cody Ransom of the pitching staff.
This guy is simply horrendous at everything
kongull
08-21-09, 10:10 PM
People get concerned about 40 man rosters. There are people on the 25 that don't belong on the 25 man let alone the 40.
southernNYYfan
08-21-09, 10:10 PM
Anyone who wanted Mitre to start over Gaudin get in this thread right now and apologize.
NelsonMuntz
08-21-09, 10:10 PM
The Cody Ransom of the pitching staff.
:lol: It's funny because it's true.
This guy is simply horrendous at everything
Had his chance. Bye.
Hope the Red Sox claim him off waivers.
hellonewman
08-21-09, 10:13 PM
Hopefully this helps cement Gaudin as the 5th starter.
teknetic
08-21-09, 10:14 PM
Had to meet his quota of giving up 4+
Best team in baseball should not have this guy pitching for them, DFA and call up Melancon.
Unwatchable trash. Not a major league caliber player.
JohnnyEllis
08-21-09, 10:18 PM
The chorus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YOo1XqKBJg
Yankee Tripper
08-21-09, 10:22 PM
Give me a D
Give me an F
Give me an A
BonusCantos
08-21-09, 10:23 PM
6.82 ERA. He's awful.
hellonewman
08-21-09, 10:26 PM
At least we're no longer being serenaded with tributes to his fine FIP.
primetime714
08-21-09, 10:28 PM
Give me a D
Give me an F
Give me an A
I wish, but I doubt it. If he gets bombed in his next start which you almost have to expect hopefully the Yankees pull the plug and give his spot to someone else, anyone else. Josh Towers would probably be first in line.
bomber999
08-21-09, 10:31 PM
Give me a D
Give me an F
Give me an A
ROTFL...
But seriously, think of it as a good thing that we had a large enough lead tonight that not even Mitre could blow it. He took the beating he is supposed to take and saved our better pen arms. It's Miller Time!
themgmt
08-21-09, 10:40 PM
I forgot what I was looking up but I stumbled upon an article saying Joe Girardi is the reason Mitre is pitching for the Yankees. Fluff piece that made me vomit in my shoes.
GordonGecko
08-21-09, 10:45 PM
Hey Sergio, this Bud's for you
http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu273/areacode212/dfabeer.jpg
Yankees13
08-21-09, 10:57 PM
Away with him.
Well at least he didnt start the game.
good thing for him that he is not a horse.
Reggievision
08-21-09, 11:06 PM
You think he'd end up a Fenway Frank?
continentalg5
08-22-09, 12:34 AM
Wow, he even fails at mop up duty...DFA please.
ThePinStripes
08-22-09, 03:15 AM
So Mitre sucks at baseball :lol:
anubis7010
08-22-09, 03:36 AM
why is he still on the team? what possible reason could they have for keeping him on the team
well they aren't gonna need him for the next five or so days at least. i presume that he or gaudin will pitch in joba's place when we go to baltimore. in light of this, maybe he will go down sometime soon.
A waste of 2 million dollars.
ymike673
08-22-09, 09:09 AM
I thought Gaudin pitched better in Oakland than Mitre has shown in any of his starts. So why not let Gaudin have the 5th spot and get Mitre off this team.
Yankee Tripper
08-22-09, 09:17 AM
Gaudin starts, Melancon called up to be post season eligible, just in case.
themgmt
08-22-09, 09:17 AM
A waste of 2 million dollars.
I thought he signed for like 1M?
Either way, he earned himself a DFA. It was a step in the right direction seeing him throw out of the pen.
apalradio
08-22-09, 09:29 AM
As bad as Mitre was in his two innings, he was better than Bruney who couldn't even complete his two. All of Bruney's damages were charged to Pettitte so his line looks a little better than Mitre's. I give Sergio just a bit more rope hoping he's still shaking off some rust.
ymike673
08-22-09, 09:41 AM
As bad as Mitre was in his two innings, he was better than Bruney who couldn't even complete his two. All of Bruney's damages were charged to Pettitte so his line looks a little better than Mitre's. I give Sergio just a bit more rope hoping he's still shaking off some rust.
Bruney had pitched well in his previous outings and besides, he is a one inning reliever. What has Mitre done so far that merits him staying in the rotation?
Yanks4eva1
08-22-09, 09:43 AM
Give me a D
Give me an F
Give me an A
LMAO!
yankeeman61
08-22-09, 09:48 AM
As bad as Mitre was in his two innings, he was better than Bruney who couldn't even complete his two. All of Bruney's damages were charged to Pettitte so his line looks a little better than Mitre's. I give Sergio just a bit more rope hoping he's still shaking off some rust.
Meat Tray is giving himself plenty of rope. It's hard to believe the Yanks couldn't come up with a better option. The guy is just extremely hittable at the ML level. If Marte continues to be good out of the pen I think I'd rather give Aceves another try in the rotation before running this guy out there time after time.
I dont' know about anyone else, but if I were suddenly asked to come out of the pen out of nowhere in a game with a billion run lead, I'd have trouble pitching my A game too.
Yankee Tripper
08-22-09, 10:03 AM
I dont' know about anyone else, but if I were suddenly asked to come out of the pen out of nowhere in a game with a billion run lead, I'd have trouble pitching my A game too.
At least you have an A game; Mitre apparently does not.
themgmt
08-22-09, 10:09 AM
I dont' know about anyone else, but if I were suddenly asked to come out of the pen out of nowhere in a game with a billion run lead, I'd have trouble pitching my A game too.
He was in the bull pen to start the game. I noted it in the early innings in the game thread when they showed the Pen. He wasn't surprised to be pitching.
The only surprise is that his first inning was scoreless.
Eclipsed
08-22-09, 10:30 AM
last night sealed the deal for me in regards to mitre, I tried to cut him some slack but uhh...he really is just that bad.
conkermaniac
08-22-09, 10:34 AM
He actually did a great job in his first inning of work, which is cause of cautious optimism. But of course, then he completely imploded in the second inning.
Brick Tamland
08-22-09, 10:50 AM
I mean, Mitre is awful but he's the mop up guy. Yeah it was brutal watching him try to end that game but we all know he's not good, I expected it to be an adventure. He's not making the post season roster and the Yanks are 31 games above .500 even though he's been taking the ball every five days. He is what he is. I'm sure he'll be DFA'ed shortly.
YankeeFaninATL
08-22-09, 11:05 AM
It's 32 games over.
teknetic
08-22-09, 11:15 AM
I dont' know about anyone else, but if I were suddenly asked to come out of the pen out of nowhere in a game with a billion run lead, I'd have trouble pitching my A game too.
I don't know why you keep making excuses for him, bad pitchers are bad.
"A" game :lol:
I am not even saying he's good. When I see him up on the mound I expect something like 4.2 IP with ~5 ERA. Very good days he'll give us 3ER and 5+IP. But I just find it hard to count last night against him or anyone else under the circumstances.
Brick Tamland
08-22-09, 12:51 PM
It's 32 games over.
Sorry, 32 games. My point was that while Mitre is awful, he won't be around much longer and life as a Yankee fan is pretty good in spite of him.
themgmt
08-22-09, 12:53 PM
I am not even saying he's good. When I see him up on the mound I expect something like 4.2 IP with ~5 ERA. Very good days he'll give us 3ER and 5+IP.
You (probably unintentionally) just summed up Mitre. You said you expect 4.2IP with a 5 ERA.... and on good days 5IP and 3ER. Well my friend, 5IP and 3 ER is a 5.4 ERA. Even on his good day, he's not good.
ymike673
08-23-09, 12:35 AM
I mean, Mitre is awful but he's the mop up guy. Yeah it was brutal watching him try to end that game but we all know he's not good, I expected it to be an adventure. He's not making the post season roster and the Yanks are 31 games above .500 even though he's been taking the ball every five days. He is what he is. I'm sure he'll be DFA'ed shortly.
The problem is he is not the mop up guy. He is the guy Girardi hands the ball to when the Yankees need a fifth starter.
It makes sense to have a ................ty 5th starter with post season all but locked.
teknetic
08-23-09, 12:30 PM
I'd much rather prefer a useful bullpen arm, Melancon for example.
He's just dead weight with Gaudin here.
nyyanksfan20
08-25-09, 11:21 AM
Does anyone know when his next start is? espn.com is showing Friday, previously they had CC starting Friday. I'm going to the game on Friday and really hope I'm not seeing Mitre pitch.
Yankee Tripper
08-25-09, 11:32 AM
Does anyone know when his next start is? espn.com is showing Friday, previously they had CC starting Friday. I'm going to the game on Friday and really hope I'm not seeing Mitre pitch.The Yankees site has Friday's pitching matchup as Buerhrle v Mitre
Saturday is TBD v Sabbathia.
Sorry man.
You (probably unintentionally) just summed up Mitre. You said you expect 4.2IP with a 5 ERA.... and on good days 5IP and 3ER. Well my friend, 5IP and 3 ER is a 5.4 ERA. Even on his good day, he's not good.
We don't need a good 5th starter at this point in the season. We need someone who can go up there and eat some some innings even if we end up losing.
35Knucklecurve
08-25-09, 12:10 PM
The Yankees site has Friday's pitching matchup as Buerhrle v Mitre
Saturday is TBD v Sabbathia.
Sorry man.
I don't think Buehrle has won a game since his perfecto. One can only hope. ;)
teknetic
08-25-09, 12:14 PM
We don't need a good 5th starter at this point in the season. We need someone who can go up there and eat some some innings even if we end up losing.
He doesn't even eat innings. I'd actually prefer getting to 100 wins.
4 or 5 innings on average is fine by me. Especially after roster expands in just over a week and we'll have plenty of arms to throw out there.
Much rather do this and have CC, AJ, Joba, Andy rotation with a pen led by Hughes and Mo than get some phantom 5th starter who can go 6IP with a low 4 ERA (that would be Andy on a good day.)
I guess Mitre will continue to start. I guess Gaudins strikeout stuff translates better to the pen but in the end they are both terrible so it really doesnt matter.
Young Steinbrenner
08-25-09, 01:03 PM
I don't know why you keep making excuses for him, bad pitchers are bad.
"A" game :lol:
that's how it is in this thread, everyone makes excuses for him, it's Bizzaro world:
"He's not bad, and he's just pitching bad because he's coming back from surgery! And he's unlucky!" etc.:roflmao:
Whatever the reason is, bad pitchers are bad. No more Mitre excuses.
Young Steinbrenner
08-25-09, 01:04 PM
I'd much rather see Gaudin start
CallOfTheCrow
08-25-09, 01:11 PM
that's how it is in this thread, everyone makes excuses for him, it's Bizzaro world:
"He's not bad, and he's just pitching bad because he's coming back from surgery! And he's unlucky!" etc.:roflmao:
Whatever the reason is, bad pitchers are bad. No more Mitre excuses.
Who else is making excuses for him besides grizy?
Young Steinbrenner
08-25-09, 01:16 PM
We don't need a good 5th starter at this point in the season. We need someone who can go up there and eat some some innings even if we end up losing.
Except Mitre can't do that.
Mitre can't eat innings! On his best day he can survive 5 innings and pray for the offense to bail him out. But usually he can only get to 4 innings.
:barf:
Young Steinbrenner
08-25-09, 01:22 PM
Who else is making excuses for him besides grizy?
the thread is 24 pages long.
There used to be others, but they have come to there senses and realized the truth about Mitre.
grizy and Girardi are the last apologists.
themgmt
08-25-09, 01:24 PM
Does anyone know when his next start is? espn.com is showing Friday, previously they had CC starting Friday. I'm going to the game on Friday and really hope I'm not seeing Mitre pitch.
I feel for you man, please proceed to vomit in your shoes.
For awhile I thought Mitre would be slated to start tomorrow's game but they decided to keep Pettitte on regular rest and now I can enjoy the game, win or lose.
CallOfTheCrow
08-25-09, 01:27 PM
the thread is 24 pages long.
There used to be others, but they have come to there senses and realized the truth about Mitre.
grizy and Girardi are the last apologists.
What does that have to do with anything?
Outside of grizy, I don't remember seeing anyone making excuses for him. He's an awful, awful pitcher.
Young Steinbrenner
08-26-09, 04:26 PM
What does that have to do with anything?
Outside of grizy, I don't remember seeing anyone making excuses for him. He's an awful, awful pitcher.
No one hates Mitre more than I do.
How am I even makign excuses for him?
What I am saying is with 7 games lead for a playoff berth at this point in the season it doesn't make sense to give up much, if anything, just to have a 5th starter of any kind, especially if it comes at the risk of hurting the playoff BP (namely moving Hughes/Aceves to rotation in this case).
Throw him out there for 3 to 5 innings. When roster expands we'll have plenty of arms in need of a taste for the big leagues.
I am far more interested in winning the WS than getting a 100 win season, and Mitre, while painful to watch, is enough for that purpose. Give Gaudin a shot if you want. But I wouldn't expect much better. Quite frankly, I don't think it matters.
Is our lead was smaller and there is serious question about our chances, then I'd be scrambling to upgrade too, but this is simply not the case.
At this point, why not give Gaudin the spot over Mitre. We have seen what Sergio can do, give Chad a longer leash to see if he can be any better.
Young Steinbrenner
08-28-09, 04:13 PM
At this point, why not give Gaudin the spot over Mitre. We have seen what Sergio can do, give Chad a longer leash to see if he can be any better.
Gaudin > Mitre
there is no debate
DEADSOX
08-28-09, 04:18 PM
Gaudin > Mitre
there is no debate
Gaudin > Throwrug >>>> Mitre.
Young Steinbrenner
08-28-09, 04:21 PM
Gaudin > used toilet paper > Mitre
Chairman-of-TheBoard
08-28-09, 08:40 PM
Being treated lately to meltdowns by Burnett and Joba (both with leads), I am interested in seeing how Mitre could possibly top them. :mad:
I keep saying that Mitre has good stuff but he has been very unlucky with groundballs. My only beef is that he needs to get his K/9 up.
Spiker101
08-29-09, 01:39 PM
I keep saying that Mitre has good stuff but he has been very unlucky with groundballs. My only beef is that he needs to get his K/9 up.
Mitre is Wang lite. Which might make him a decent No. 5 once he gets his command fully operational after the surgery.
Mitre is Wang lite. Which might make him a decent No. 5 once he gets his command fully operational after the surgery.
I think of him as a lighter Carlos Silva.
NelsonMuntz
08-29-09, 01:43 PM
I keep saying that Mitre has good stuff but he has been very unlucky with groundballs. My only beef is that he needs to get his K/9 up.
It's amazing how much "luckier" he is when he hits his spots. And by "amazing", I mean not a mere coincidence.
dabomb2045
08-29-09, 01:47 PM
He is pitching like the 2005-2008 version of Wang today. He's keeping the ball down, his sinker has great movement, he's spotting his slider well...I think the Sox have two hard hit balls off him thru 6 innings.
CanoForPresident
08-29-09, 01:49 PM
Sergio Maddux?
yanksphan
08-29-09, 01:51 PM
Posada's really got him dialed in today....oh wait. :-ponder-:
hardrain
08-29-09, 01:51 PM
gotta give the man his due -- no sense complaining about him today -- he came to pitch.
teknetic
08-29-09, 01:56 PM
I think of him as a lighter Carlos Silva.
A lighter Carlos Silva might be the worst pitcher, ever.
Suprisingly good today, props for that.
CallOfTheCrow
08-29-09, 02:04 PM
Props when props are due.
Hell of a job today.
Fantastic job by Mitre today.
AnA-bombforA-rod
08-29-09, 02:06 PM
I'm shocked, but Mitre did a great job today.
dabomb2045
08-29-09, 02:06 PM
1-hit ball thru 6.1 innings....awesome job today.
NYYRules#1
08-29-09, 02:07 PM
Great job by Mitre. A shame that he had to be taken out in the middle of his best start.
effdamets
08-29-09, 02:08 PM
I'm happy for him...
Maybe today's performance will launch him into hot streak...
ICEBERG18
08-29-09, 02:11 PM
Didn't see him pitch today but the results look good.
hellonewman
08-29-09, 02:12 PM
Can't deny it, he was great.
AnA-bombforA-rod
08-29-09, 02:13 PM
Didn't see him pitch today but the results look good.
Well, he only gave up 2 hard hit balls all day.
Didn't see him pitch today but the results look good.Unfortunately, the last pitch he threw came right back to him and struck him just below the right elbow. I hope he'll be OK ... if he could keep pitching like today, he'd be a great fifth starter for us!
Unfortunately, the last pitch he threw came right back to him and struck him just below the right elbow. I hope he'll be OK ... if he could keep pitching like today, he'd be a great fifth starter for us!
If he could keep pitching like he pitched today he could be a great 2nd starter for us.
AnA-bombforA-rod
08-29-09, 02:17 PM
If he could keep pitching like he pitched today he could be a great 2nd starter for us.
Yeah, but that's a little doubtful.
NelsonMuntz
08-29-09, 02:19 PM
Didn't see him pitch today but the results look good.
He was outstanding. Hit his spots consistently.
junkman73
08-29-09, 02:27 PM
He's probably been forced to a roster spot much sooner than the Yanks would have liked. He's coming back from surgery and building arm strength. He could prove to be a nice piece of the puzzle in 2010. Reminds me of when the Yanks gave Lieber the 2 year deal with 1 year set aside for rehab and the second year being the one the Yanks were concerned with.
Didn't see him pitch today but the results look good.
3 hard hit balls all day. 2 of which resulted in outs. The other being the double he gave up.
Rocketbooster
08-29-09, 02:33 PM
Too bad on a day he pitched well, it still ended badly for Mitre.......
JavyVazquezIsSick
08-29-09, 02:34 PM
Props.
ICEBERG18
08-29-09, 02:36 PM
3 hard hit balls all day. 2 of which resulted in outs. The other being the double he gave up.
Excellent.
roblyo33
08-29-09, 02:52 PM
Posada's really got him dialed in today....oh wait. :-ponder-:
Nice......
sweet_lou_14
08-29-09, 03:01 PM
Excellent job by Mitre in his last start before the rosters expand. He should be able to hold down the fifth spot the rest of the way.
yankeeman61
08-29-09, 03:05 PM
Bottle it and use it again
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