View Full Version : 2009 Sergio Mitre Performance Thread
CT-Yankee
08-03-09, 08:52 PM
No medals for trying. We needed a pitcher...he didnt get us one. He takes the heat for that.
Now we're stuck with a huge black hole in the #5 spot while dealing with a #3 who has an innings limit.
I agree. Cashman has the most resources than anyone in baseball. Now that he has to work under a budget is when he needs to show what he can do. Get a little creative and wheel and deal and move what he can to make it work. Now, Boston can block any potential waiver move. Unless of course they move ahead again.
Rocketbooster
08-03-09, 09:23 PM
No medals for trying. We needed a pitcher...he didnt get us one. He takes the heat for that.
Now we're stuck with a huge black hole in the #5 spot while dealing with a #3 who has an innings limit.
Well, we'll have to part ways since I don't believe you can force other GMs to do what they don't want to do
No medals for trying. We needed a pitcher...he didnt get us one. He takes the heat for that.
Now we're stuck with a huge black hole in the #5 spot while dealing with a #3 who has an innings limit.
I agree. Cashman has the most resources than anyone in baseball. Now that he has to work under a budget is when he needs to show what he can do. Get a little creative and wheel and deal and move what he can to make it work. Now, Boston can block any potential waiver move. Unless of course they move ahead again.
what did you expect him to do? who did you want him to get? everyone was asking for joba and/or hughes or montero or jackson. would you have given those up for bannister or washburn? we don't have a deep minor league system like lots of other clubs. we don't have second tier depth to trade. we might have the most money but every club has a line they cannot cross. we are at ours. saying you expected him to be creative is like saying, "we don't have anything to trade with; let's try a magic trick. maybe they'll take beans for a pitcher?"
Yankee Tripper
08-04-09, 10:59 PM
I hope he does his best Yusmero Petit impersonation tomorrow.
Dannman103
08-04-09, 11:02 PM
For me, tomorrow's start should be make or break for Mitre. If he is competitive (ideally 6 innings, 3 runs of less, but 5 and 3 or 6 and 4 would be acceptable), then he stays in the rotation. If he stinks it up again, there's no reason to keep him around. I'm sure someone else in the minors can at least be as mediocre, and maybe better.
That said, I'd love to see Mitre go out there and pitch well. It would make things much easier.
ThePinStripes
08-04-09, 11:39 PM
For me, tomorrow's start should be make or break for Mitre. If he is competitive (ideally 6 innings, 3 runs of less, but 5 and 3 or 6 and 4 would be acceptable), then he stays in the rotation. If he stinks it up again, there's no reason to keep him around. I'm sure someone else in the minors can at least be as mediocre, and maybe better.
That said, I'd love to see Mitre go out there and pitch well. It would make things much easier. Me too. I'd be thrilled for him to go 5IP, 3ER every day from here on out. He does that, I'm happy. That's a 5.40 ERA. I just want the innings.
and lol http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=White%20Flag%20Pitching
Yankees13
08-04-09, 11:41 PM
Me too. I'd be thrilled for him to go 5IP, 3ER every day from here on out. He does that, I'm happy. That's a 5.40 ERA. I just want the innings.
and lol http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=White%20Flag%20Pitching
I've made up a term that made it onto urban dictionary. My life's goal is fulfilled.
BroadwayBomber55
08-04-09, 11:49 PM
It's up to you Sergio to keep your 5th starter job alive.
You want to keep it, you need to go out there and earn every bit of it.
Yankee defense: no reckless, careless baseball.
for some reason, i'm expecting a good start from the guy.
for some reason, i'm expecting a good start from the guy.When you figure out why, please let the rest of us know. I'm really curious.
ThePinStripes
08-05-09, 06:50 AM
When you figure out why, please let the rest of us know. I'm really curious.
:lol:
I used to be blindly optimistic for no good reason. Kei Igawa ended that real quick.
YankeePride1967
08-05-09, 06:57 AM
Right now if he gives us 5 innings and 3 ER, I'll take it.
for some reason, i'm expecting a good start from the guy.
Hes facing a pretty bad offense, so he has that going for him.
JavyVazquezIsSick
08-05-09, 08:09 AM
Is this really happening?
Derek2HOF
08-05-09, 10:06 AM
6IP 4 Runs ... sign me up. It would be nice if we could get a little length out of him before the Boston series.
Austin3
08-05-09, 10:09 AM
2+IP, 6ER, Mitre to AAA, Cody Ransom gets the #5 spot (not what I'm hoping for, but what I think is realistic)
hatfieldms
08-05-09, 10:10 AM
2+IP, 6ER, Mitre to AAA, Cody Ransom gets the #5 spot (not what I'm hoping for, but what I think is realistic)
:lol:
DEADSOX
08-05-09, 10:10 AM
Right now if he gives us 5 innings and 3 ER, I'll take it.
This would be ideal imo. Hopefully we can score a lot of runs to limit bullpen damage too, that's the one thing I'm worried about is burning out the bullpen. Maybe we can get an inning each from Melancon, Robertson, Coke, and Aceves; maybe a splash of Bruney in there. Need to rest Hughes and Rivera before the Sox series.
Snatch Catch
08-05-09, 10:40 AM
I still think he's going to be servicable as the #5 guy.
Yankee Tripper
08-05-09, 10:41 AM
I still think he's going to be servicable as the #5 guy.can I have some of what you're smoking?
Austin3
08-05-09, 10:47 AM
With his power sinker, I think he's the next Chien Wing Wang.
liv2create
08-05-09, 10:51 AM
I do better when I have no expectations
With his power sinker, I think he's the next Chien Wing Wang.
ERA close to 9 and constant meltdowns?
Sounds about right
Austin3
08-05-09, 11:03 AM
Oh...did I forget to say "2009 Chien Ming Wang"
JfromJersey
08-05-09, 11:28 AM
It's hard to fathom that on the AAA or AA level the Yankees don't have anything better than Mitre to serve as a number 5 starter. Are we that bad/depleted in SPs at SWB and Trenton? If the answer is yes, and assuming even Girardi can only go so far with Mitre if he keeps pitching to a 6.00+ ERA, then I guess it's safe to assume we will be seeing Igawa again.
MarthaT
08-05-09, 11:30 AM
With his power sinker, I think he's the next Chien Wing Wang.
certainly could be
Yankee Tripper
08-05-09, 11:37 AM
It's hard to fathom that on the AAA or AA level the Yankees don't have anything better than Mitre to serve as a number 5 starter. Are we that bad/depleted in SPs at SWB and Trenton? If the answer is yes, and assuming even Girardi can only go so far with Mitre if he keeps pitching to a 6.00+ ERA, then I guess it's safe to assume we will be seeing Igawa again.
Mitre was the best of the bunch at AAA when called up and deserved the callup. Though he's been pretty awful since coming up. There are some guys who aren't ready who might be thrown to the wolves or Johnson could get a look see or even Igawa again.
The touble is 6th & 7th starters Hughes & Acevas have been converted to BP guys this year and #8 starter Kennedy is rehabing from his surgery and won't be ready. Then a couple other guys Kontos & MacCalister (sp?) who might have been called on were both injured in MiLB and aren't options right now as I understand it.
When you are looking for your 9th, 10th or 11th starter to take meaningful starts in August it is a problem.
Brick Tamland
08-05-09, 11:39 AM
It's hard to fathom that on the AAA or AA level the Yankees don't have anything better than Mitre to serve as a number 5 starter. Are we that bad/depleted in SPs at SWB and Trenton? If the answer is yes, and assuming even Girardi can only go so far with Mitre if he keeps pitching to a 6.00+ ERA, then I guess it's safe to assume we will be seeing Igawa again.
Well I'm not sure if he's "better" but IPK was the insurance arm. Of course, there ought to be more than one of those...
Brick Tamland
08-05-09, 12:09 PM
Anyone know anything about this guy Rzepczynski going tonight for the Jays? 23 yr old lefty with a 3.25 ERA doesn't sound like a good time for the Yanks.
Austin3
08-05-09, 12:13 PM
It's hard to fathom that on the AAA or AA level the Yankees don't have anything better than Mitre to serve as a number 5 starter. Are we that bad/depleted in SPs at SWB and Trenton? If the answer is yes, and assuming even Girardi can only go so far with Mitre if he keeps pitching to a 6.00+ ERA, then I guess it's safe to assume we will be seeing Igawa again.
There used to be two guys named Hughes and Aceves...
roblyo33
08-05-09, 12:13 PM
Anyone know anything about this guy Rzepczynski going tonight for the Jays? 23 yr old lefty with a 3.25 ERA doesn't sound like a good time for the Yanks.
I know one thing, he has a name that is impossible to pronounce.
pleasepassthesoup
08-05-09, 12:21 PM
Anyone know anything about this guy Rzepczynski going tonight for the Jays? 23 yr old lefty with a 3.25 ERA doesn't sound like a good time for the Yanks.
In his limited 5 big league starts, he's struck out a ton of guys, walked a ton of guys and gotten a lot of ground balls.
Edit: also, it looks like his fastball sits around 87-88 and has a lot of movement and he has a good slider.
Yankee Tripper
08-05-09, 12:28 PM
I know one thing, he has a name that is impossible to pronounce.
Isn't it rep-chin-ski?
In his limited 5 big league starts, he's struck out a ton of guys, walked a ton of guys and gotten a lot of ground balls.
Edit: also, it looks like his fastball sits around 87-88 and has a lot of movement and he has a good slider.
That matches up with this scouting report I found
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/210491-mark-rzepczynski-unpronounceable-name-great-prospect
Young Steinbrenner
08-05-09, 12:40 PM
I still think he's going to be servicable as the #5 guy.
Yea but you've been wrong before:
Jaret Wright's 2005 Cy Young Season: 20-3, 3.04 ERA
:uhh:
Young Steinbrenner
08-05-09, 12:41 PM
Now my damn lawn mower won't start....:-po'd-: MITRE !!:-po'd-:
It's hard to fathom that on the AAA or AA level the Yankees don't have anything better than Mitre to serve as a number 5 starter. Are we that bad/depleted in SPs at SWB and Trenton? If the answer is yes, and assuming even Girardi can only go so far with Mitre if he keeps pitching to a 6.00+ ERA, then I guess it's safe to assume we will be seeing Igawa again.
this has ben said before, but hughes, aceves, kennedy ...
Yea but you've been wrong before:
:uhh:
for real? where did you find that?
JohnnyEllis
08-05-09, 01:17 PM
I know one thing, he has a name that is impossible to pronounce.
Saw him pitch in Vegas the week he got called up. Lefty who reminds you of Ted Lilly, presentation-wise at least. Finesse, ground-ball-type. Pretty poised. The kind of pitcher we haven't lit up on the first try.
Austin3
08-05-09, 01:19 PM
Mitre can take him
bronxburning
08-05-09, 02:52 PM
Tonight will be a slugfest. I will settle for Mitre pitching 5 innings and giving up 5 runs. I am hoping the Yanks will outslug the Jays by 10-8.
hellonewman
08-05-09, 03:25 PM
Good luck to the FIP king tonight. :uhh:
am feeling confident about tonight.
yankeeman61
08-05-09, 05:48 PM
Meat Tray...not a good name for a pitcher
Slioman
08-05-09, 05:54 PM
I trust Meat Tray.
Yankee Tripper
08-05-09, 05:55 PM
now I'm hungry
yankeeman61
08-05-09, 05:59 PM
I trust Meat Tray.
In what sense?
ShaneTravis
08-05-09, 06:11 PM
Mitre surprises us all tonight.
6 innings and 3 runs.
yankeeman61
08-05-09, 06:13 PM
Mitre surprises us all tonight.
6 innings and 3 runs.
From your keyboard to God's ears
ShaneTravis
08-05-09, 06:17 PM
From your keyboard to God's ears
Listen, I know the results are not there but I don't think he is as bad as he's shown us.
I will leave this thread now. lol
Listen, I know the results are not there but I don't think he is as bad as he's shown us.
I will leave this thread now. lol
I kinda agree, but turf might not be the best showcase for a GB pitcher
Torre Must Go
08-05-09, 06:26 PM
This guy better not get another start. Cashman, find someone who's better than Mitre/Igawa/Towers.
Slioman
08-05-09, 06:27 PM
In what sense?
I think he's a solid 5th starter.
Edit: And I say as he gives up 2 runs.
teknetic
08-05-09, 06:27 PM
Worse than Sean Henn..except he starts games.
DaYanks24
08-05-09, 06:27 PM
It's hard to believe that he's starting meaningful games for the Yankees, until you realize that Brian Cashman is the GM. This is Cashman's specialty: terrible veteran pitchers who have never been any good. He loves them.
leutbneot
08-05-09, 06:28 PM
I can't watch this game. I thought after those first two strikeouts that maybe he'd found something but he proved me wrong pretty quickly. Someone wake me when it's over.
The Yankee brass continues to show ineptness in these areas. They can spend more money than god and still be forced to throw a AA pitcher out there on a consistent basis. The key here is consistent. A spot start due to an unexpected issue is one thing, but to keep doing it over and over again is the definition of insanity. With all of this money and resources they are still unable to find a barely serviceable 5th starter. Not a star mind you, just someone who could be serviceable against at least sub par teams. Another horrendous job with pitching for Cashman's resume.
Slioman
08-05-09, 06:33 PM
I still trust Mitre.
BonusCantos
08-05-09, 06:33 PM
That ERA's almost in Wang territory.
Yankees13
08-05-09, 06:36 PM
That ERA's almost in Wang territory.
His BAA must be approaching April Wang territory. 28 hits in 14 innings? Good God...
I just never trust sinker ballers.
teknetic
08-05-09, 06:38 PM
Fully expect him to get another start.
Young Steinbrenner
08-05-09, 06:42 PM
Fully expect him to get another start.
the sad part is your probably right :upset:
Damn you :-po'd-: MITRE !! :-po'd-: arrrrrrrrgh!!
Fully expect him to get another start.
So do I. Given their position in the standings I am sure they don't feel major pressure to keep running out this clown. I have no doubt, however, that he will not last into September.
BonusCantos
08-05-09, 06:45 PM
His BAA must be approaching April Wang territory. 28 hits in 14 innings? Good God...It's in the .380s right now (changing every AB of course).
I like him. He should get more innings. It's a shame he's not pitching in the Boston series.
Oh, my bad, a Red Sox fan took over my keyboard.
On the plus side, at least when Mitre pitches I have more free time to do other things. I've gotten a ton of work done tonight that wouldn't have happened if I was watching the game.
Well, he gave up a solid hit then 3 seeing eye grounders and a bloop
theDurk
08-05-09, 07:25 PM
Ignore this
JavyVazquezIsSick
08-05-09, 07:28 PM
Would have been sweet to give up some prospects and have Cliff Lee pitching in his place this season and the next one.
Would have been sweet to give up some prospects and have Cliff Lee pitching in his place this season and the next one.
That would have been nice but the phone is all the way on the other side of the conference table and Brian just doesn't feel like exerting himself.
theDurk
08-05-09, 07:34 PM
Oops, wrong thread
Yankee Fan in Boston
08-05-09, 07:39 PM
Would have been sweet to give up some prospects and have Cliff Lee pitching in his place this season and the next one.
Depends who the prospects were
teknetic
08-05-09, 07:45 PM
"He pitched really well I thin, gave up a couple of bloopers, a couple of line drives, and a couple of walks, and only lasted 4 1/3."
hellonewman
08-05-09, 07:45 PM
Watch Sergio's Army try to spin this one as a good start ...
Yankee Fan in Boston
08-05-09, 07:48 PM
Watch Sergio's Army try to spin this one as a good start ...
Sergio has fans?
Young Steinbrenner
08-05-09, 07:49 PM
The Good News: Mitre's out of the game and we're only down by 1 run.:eek:
The Bad News: Mitre's gonna start another game.:(
z32razer
08-05-09, 07:51 PM
Can't believe I'm saying this, but bring up Igawa! Can't be any worse than Mitre.
So if not Sergio then who? Didn't the Yankees put themselves between a rock and a hard place by not getting another SP at the trading deadline? I mean there's Igawa and I guess putting Aceves is an option as well at this point. No matter how well that Igawa pitches in Scranton, I do not see the Yankees having any confidence in him at the ML level.
fredgmuggs
08-05-09, 07:52 PM
Sergio has fans?
I believe his army are all conscripts.
Slioman
08-05-09, 07:52 PM
I'll give Mitre one last start, Igawa would be worse.
dabomb2045
08-05-09, 07:59 PM
Please get this guy off the team. Immediately.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again---expecting different results when all you do is fail time and time again. Sending Mitre out there every 5th day is INSANITY. You know he will fail.
Try something else!
unfamous loser
08-05-09, 08:03 PM
Sergio has fans?
Two. They're named Brian and Joe.
4 starts with 0 of them fitting the baseball definition of a "quality start".
hellonewman
08-05-09, 09:10 PM
32 hits in 18 innings. Just wow.
BroadwayBomber55
08-05-09, 09:14 PM
Not even Rick 'Wild Thing' Vaughn's glasses can save Sergio Mitre.
b_joseph
08-05-09, 09:23 PM
Poor fella really. He isnt good enough for this level and is being thrown into it.
NYYRules#1
08-05-09, 09:27 PM
Hughes. Rotation. Now.
Seriously, I'm glad Mitre didn't cough up more runs tonight, but you can't have a guy keep not even completing 5 innings. He's absolutely murdering the pen. And his stuff will get killed by better lineups.
Poor fella really. He isnt good enough for this level and is being thrown into it.
I'm sure he's happy he's making major league money, at least for the time being.
He is still unbeaten!! :D:D:D:D
primetime714
08-05-09, 09:36 PM
Please get this guy off the team. Immediately.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again---expecting different results when all you do is fail time and time again. Sending Mitre out there every 5th day is INSANITY. You know he will fail.
Try something else!
4 starts, 3 Yankee Wins. It hasn't been pretty by any stretch of the imagination, but at the same time when our alternatives are guys like Igawa, Towers, and Sanchez do we really need to be in rush to get Mitre out of there for guys who aren't performing as well as he did at AAA and aren't likely to do any better?
If we had any reason to believe that those guys might be better than Mitre other than the fact that Mitre hasn't been good I would agree, but I just can't see why any of those guys is a significant upgrade.
I guess it doesn't make a big difference, but as poorly as Mitre has pitched he has yet to lose a game for us and has given us a decent enough shot to win 3 of 4. While there is the chance the next guy could be better, there's also the chance that they could be worse and lose games for us.
NelsonMuntz
08-05-09, 09:47 PM
I'd give Towers a shot. He's pitching well in AAA. I doubt he could be worse than Mitre.
hellonewman
08-05-09, 09:53 PM
Zach Kroenke?
primetime714
08-05-09, 10:00 PM
Zach Kroenke?
He probably needs at least one more start in AAA to get his innings up there. He could be an option though after he does that though.
ShaneTravis
08-05-09, 10:03 PM
Zach Kroenke?
last pitched August 3rd, has not gone over 5 innings due to the fact he is recently converted pen guy.
CT-Yankee
08-05-09, 10:04 PM
If Mitre can give you another inning it would have been great. He's as good as any alternative right now.
The Red Sox just signed Paul Byrd. For the second year in the row we let him go to Boston when we clearly have a need for back of the rotation guy with some experience. Even at close to 40 after sitting on a couch for a year hed still probably be better than Mitre.
roblyo33
08-05-09, 10:13 PM
The Red Sox just signed Paul Byrd. For the second year in the row we let him go to Boston when we clearly have a need for back of the rotation guy with some experience. Even at close to 40 after sitting on a couch for a year hed still probably be better than Mitre.
AS long as he has continued his HGH regimen otherwise, he's a waste.
Spiker101
08-05-09, 10:17 PM
Paul Byrd. If that doesn't smack of desperation, I don't know what does.
Paul Byrd. If that doesn't smack of desperation, I don't know what does.
Its depth, something the yankees are lacking right now with starters. Right now we have to throw Mitre out there since he is the only thing stopping Kei Igawa from returing to the bigs. I wouldve liked to have other options.
Young Steinbrenner
08-05-09, 10:19 PM
He is still unbeaten!! :D:D:D:D
LOL:lol:
Breyean
08-05-09, 11:03 PM
Paul Byrd. If that doesn't smack of desperation, I don't know what does.
They only signed Byrd to counter the Yankees signing Ortiz.
Bostonsfavson
08-05-09, 11:28 PM
Paul Byrd. If that doesn't smack of desperation, I don't know what does.
Sergio Mitre?
They only signed Byrd to counter the Yankees signing Ortiz.
IMO Byrd's better than Ortiz and probably an improvement over Smoltz. The only issue is how long it will take him to prepare.
ThePinStripes
08-06-09, 12:18 AM
4 starts, 3 Yankee Wins. It hasn't been pretty by any stretch of the imagination, but at the same time when our alternatives are guys like Igawa, Towers, and Sanchez do we really need to be in rush to get Mitre out of there for guys who aren't performing as well as he did at AAA and aren't likely to do any better?
If we had any reason to believe that those guys might be better than Mitre other than the fact that Mitre hasn't been good I would agree, but I just can't see why any of those guys is a significant upgrade.
I guess it doesn't make a big difference, but as poorly as Mitre has pitched he has yet to lose a game for us and has given us a decent enough shot to win 3 of 4. While there is the chance the next guy could be better, there's also the chance that they could be worse and lose games for us.
That has more to do with with his performance- at least, not in a good way. It has to do with OTHER players stepping it up from the offense and pen.
Chairman-of-TheBoard
08-06-09, 01:59 AM
"I think he threw the ball pretty well." -- Joe Girardi on Mitre (ESPN.com, 5th Aug. 2009)
Why is Girardi attempting to make us see a silver lining on this horrible pitcher? Talk about towing the company line. He sucked tonight and the only improvement over the hiding the White Sox gave him, is that he got a fortuitous hook tonight before the Jays could really start to bombard him.
If the Yanks get blown out every time Mitre starts (which taxes the BP), then you'll see Mitre sent to the galleys. The only reason why NY isn't leveled every time he pitches, is because Girardi only gives him 4 innings & change to put the team in a hole.
My question at this point, is that since Mitre is a guaranteed "batting practice" style start every 5th day, why not try a couple different options in the farm system? Since Girardi is already resigned to using the pen every 5th start, why not try some other options? Whatever the case is, I really wish he would not try to fool people into thinking that Mitre actually had a decent start. Threw it "pretty well?" Ya, in a pig's a__.
bluetree
08-06-09, 05:57 AM
Silver lining, he gave Aceves an opportunity to shine.
PirateChief
08-06-09, 06:37 AM
How many losses does Sergio Mitre have? 0.
How many losses does CC Sabathia have? More than 0.
So, it's a fact. Mitre is better than Sabathia. Stat lovers cry, cody ransom lives on in the hearts of true yankee fans
aeromac76
08-06-09, 06:55 AM
Not that I want to really defend this guy, but last night was not unltra horrible.
He gave up three runs, but the two in the first inning came off a weak astroturf seeing eye grounder and a fisted bloop shot. He did hot get tagged by any means.
The Lind HR was legit, but that happens.
If that Wells grounder is on grass or goes at someone, he gets out of the inning unscored, saves some pitches, and maybe gets through 5 innings with just one run.
He had decent movement, and is, remember, coming back from injury and suspension.
Believe me, if there was a better option I'd be all for it. (No Hughes is not a better option, he is filling a role beautifully that we need filled, to say nothing of the stretch out process).
But at this point, if we keep shuffling our rotation to make sure he does not pitch in major games (as we did this week for Boston) then I am willing to send him out there again in 5 days for the moment.
35Knucklecurve
08-06-09, 07:53 AM
I was following on Game Day and was wondering if Mitre only has one pitch. At one point, there were 6 sinkers in a row at 91 and then he finally threw a different pitch.....a sinker at 89. He did throw a couple of change-ups, but if you only feel comfortable throwing one pitch and that's not effective, it's time for a new game plan. It could have been a lot worse - I'll give him credit for not completely imploding - but he's not going to be able keep doing that at this level.
Snatch Catch
08-06-09, 07:54 AM
Not that I want to really defend this guy, but last night was not unltra horrible.
He gave up three runs, but the two in the first inning came off a weak astroturf seeing eye grounder and a fisted bloop shot. He did hot get tagged by any means.
The Lind HR was legit, but that happens.
If that Wells grounder is on grass or goes at someone, he gets out of the inning unscored, saves some pitches, and maybe gets through 5 innings with just one run.
He had decent movement, and is, remember, coming back from injury and suspension.
Believe me, if there was a better option I'd be all for it. (No Hughes is not a better option, he is filling a role beautifully that we need filled, to say nothing of the stretch out process).
But at this point, if we keep shuffling our rotation to make sure he does not pitch in major games (as we did this week for Boston) then I am willing to send him out there again in 5 days for the moment.
Totally agree.
JavyVazquezIsSick
08-06-09, 07:55 AM
He needs to be replaced. This was a big time mistake not to get anyone during the deadline.
JavyVazquezIsSick
08-06-09, 08:07 AM
Not that I want to really defend this guy, but last night was not unltra horrible.
He gave up three runs, but the two in the first inning came off a weak astroturf seeing eye grounder and a fisted bloop shot. He did hot get tagged by any means.
The Lind HR was legit, but that happens.
If that Wells grounder is on grass or goes at someone, he gets out of the inning unscored, saves some pitches, and maybe gets through 5 innings with just one run.
He had decent movement, and is, remember, coming back from injury and suspension.
Believe me, if there was a better option I'd be all for it. (No Hughes is not a better option, he is filling a role beautifully that we need filled, to say nothing of the stretch out process).
But at this point, if we keep shuffling our rotation to make sure he does not pitch in major games (as we did this week for Boston) then I am willing to send him out there again in 5 days for the moment.
It seems to be a common theme of every one of his starts that we keep defending ground balls finding holes and bloops finding land. He's always been a bad pitcher despite the high GB rates, I don't know why we are expecting any different.
Austin3
08-06-09, 08:12 AM
He needs to be replaced. This was a big time mistake not to get anyone during the deadline.
We picked up Russ Ortiz, so it's all good :D
http://www.lohud.com/article/20090806/SPORTS01/908060415/-1/SPORTS
YankS1302
08-06-09, 01:45 PM
He did keep it close. No telling how bad it could of been though if not for Joe pulling him when he did. Seeing that we don't have many better options he'll probably get another start.
fellows
08-06-09, 02:13 PM
He is terrible 4 GS, 18.0 IP, 32 H, 4.5 K/9, 2.5 BB/9, 2.06 WHIP, 25.0 LD%. Give anyone a chance over this guy.
nyybronxbomber73
08-06-09, 02:15 PM
He is terrible 4 GS, 18.0 IP, 32 H, 4.5 K/9, 2.5 BB/9, 2.06 WHIP, 25.0 LD%. Give anyone a chance over this guy.
can i pitch lol
Slioman
08-07-09, 01:29 AM
I give him a last shot.
I still like Mitre.
I give him a last shot.
I still like Mitre.Well, I like him too. However, he's had 4 starts, all bad. We've been very fortunate to have won 3 of the 4, scoring an average of 7.75 runs per start. He has good stuff, but the sinker needs more work and his location is poor. We seem to have a couple more options right now, so I'd go with someone else and let him throw a couple of starts in AAA to tighten things up.
we'll only need a 5th about 10 times again this season. if we can win half of those starts, i'll be happy. if we don't make the playoffs, it won't be because of sergio mitre.
Stealthspy
08-10-09, 04:19 PM
BABIP is sky high at .414, FIP is in line with career average... I personally think he deserves a couple more starts. I support Girardi for keeping him in the rotation and applaud him for not having such a quick hook. Yes, Mitre has performed very poorly statistically, but there is reason to believe that he's been pitching better than that indicates.
A couple more consecutive bad starts, on the other hand, and he'll be pulled from the rotation, bad luck or not.
Don_Veto
08-10-09, 04:35 PM
I don't like pitchers who rely on one pitch and rely entirely too much on contact.
teknetic
08-10-09, 04:48 PM
With Smoltz out, does he qualify as the worst pitcher in this division?
Slioman
08-10-09, 04:55 PM
With Smoltz out, does he qualify as the worst pitcher in this division?
Rich Hill?
Edit: Never mind, he had season ending surgery.
diehardyankeefan
08-10-09, 04:59 PM
Rich Hill?
Edit: Never mind, he had season ending surgery.
Jason Berken?
Slioman
08-10-09, 05:00 PM
Jason Berken?
Is there any non-Oriole to name?
Slioman
08-10-09, 05:01 PM
BABIP is sky high at .414, FIP is in line with career average... I personally think he deserves a couple more starts. I support Girardi for keeping him in the rotation and applaud him for not having such a quick hook. Yes, Mitre has performed very poorly statistically, but there is reason to believe that he's been pitching better than that indicates.
A couple more consecutive bad starts, on the other hand, and he'll be pulled from the rotation, bad luck or not.
Yeah, there is no way he could sustain a BABIP that high. I've been in favor of putting Mitre out there again but another bad start and maybe we start looking at our alternatives. Maybe Gaudin, but he isn't that good vs. lefties...
Yankee Tripper
08-10-09, 05:07 PM
With Smoltz out, does he qualify as the worst pitcher in this division?
Does Dice K count or no beacuse of DL? I realize he'll probably be better than he was early season when he comes back but then most of us thought that about Wang too and unfortuantely were wrong.
Otherwise in the non-Orioles division I can't think of anyone worse (or even close).
Maybe he'll have some of the starter magic from the last 3 days rub off on him and throw a decent game against the Jays tonight, stranger things have happened.
JfromJersey
08-10-09, 05:31 PM
With Smoltz out, does he qualify as the worst pitcher in this division?
I think he's the worst starting pitcher in the league, but Girardi likes him, so what do I know?
If Mitre tanks tonight, what options do the Yankees have in replacing him? Is somebody like Vincente Padilla an option?
Yankee Tripper
08-10-09, 06:04 PM
If Mitre tanks tonight, what options do the Yankees have in replacing him? Is somebody like Vincente Padilla an option?
Gaudin probably.
Padialla didn't exactly get a ringing endorsement from his former Texas teamates who I think threw a party (i kid) but yeah I suppose the usual suspects that need a 5th starter: Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers... will be kicking the tires on Vicente.
BonusCantos
08-10-09, 06:05 PM
If Mitre tanks tonight, what options do the Yankees have in replacing him? Is somebody like Vincente Padilla an option?Gaudin. Hell, if Mitre tanks, we'll see him tonight.
justtxyank
08-10-09, 06:06 PM
Padilla is pretty much universally hated. Teixeira was pretty vocal about his dislike for the man earlier this year. I'd be surprised if they even kicked the tires on him.
themgmt
08-10-09, 06:22 PM
This guy gives up 2 hits every inning.
Slioman
08-10-09, 06:40 PM
5Ks 6 outs.
Let's see if my trust will pay off.
Rocketbooster
08-10-09, 06:41 PM
Gaudin probably.
Padialla didn't exactly get a ringing endorsement from his former Texas teamates who I think threw a party (i kid) but yeah I suppose the usual suspects that need a 5th starter: Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers... will be kicking the tires on Vicente.
A big NO thank you......he's a bad guy. I don't think anyone on the team would want him and Tex obviously detests him (AJ's probably not too thrilled with him either).
Stealthspy
08-10-09, 06:43 PM
A big NO thank you......he's a bad guy. I don't think anyone on the team would want him and Tex obviously detests him (AJ's probably not too thrilled with him either).I tend to agree, especially given how good the chemistry of this team has been as of late. A clubhouse cancer can be far worse for this team than even the worst #5 starter scenario.
jesterno2
08-10-09, 06:50 PM
actually if gaudin doesnt get the call it will probably be russ ortiz who we picked up as well.
people forget that mitre is just barely more than a year removed from having tommy john surgery and that his stuff isnt back to 100% of where it was before the surgery. i know he hasnt had much success in his mlb career, but he has had a couple of good stretches and the guy is still just 28. its quite possible that he could turn the corner and become a decent 5th starter, and hopefully what he has done so far in this game is a good sign of more to come.
Yankee Tripper
08-10-09, 06:52 PM
A big NO thank you......he's a bad guy. I don't think anyone on the team would want him and Tex obviously detests him (AJ's probably not too thrilled with him either).
Yeah I don't want him but if the Yanks would bring in Ponson last year, I'd be surprised if they didn't at least make some inquires when he clears waivers.
jesterno2
08-10-09, 07:00 PM
his stuff seems to be working tonight... is he throwing dirty stuff or is the strike zone just really terrible tonight?
another point regarding his coming back from surgery and the comments about his location being poor. command and control are the absolute last thing a pitcher regains after TJ surgery, and being just a tad over a year removed from that surgery i would bet that he starts to put up better numbers if we can keep giving him run support and ride out his tough starts. it was a pretty high reward signing in the first place so as long as it isnt costing us games i would say giving him more chances to round back into form isnt necessarily a bad idea.
Sunday@1
08-10-09, 07:10 PM
his stuff seems to be working tonight... is he throwing dirty stuff or is the strike zone just really terrible tonight?
another point regarding his coming back from surgery and the comments about his location being poor. command and control are the absolute last thing a pitcher regains after TJ surgery, and being just a tad over a year removed from that surgery i would bet that he starts to put up better numbers if we can keep giving him run support and ride out his tough starts. it was a pretty high reward signing in the first place so as long as it isnt costing us games i would say giving him more chances to round back into form isnt necessarily a bad idea.
M. Kay mentioned that the Yankees are happy with Mitre. He mentioned Cashman asked him about the quality of other 5th starters in MLB. I guess he has us there?
primetime714
08-10-09, 07:24 PM
M. Kay mentioned that the Yankees are happy with Mitre. He mentioned Cashman asked him about the quality of other 5th starters in MLB. I guess he has us there?
Wow Mitre. As a groundball pitcher you'd figure he'd be a good defender. That's the second time he has missed a throw to 2B. Although I think Cano should've had that. Still it was a bad throw to turn a DP.
teknetic
08-10-09, 07:24 PM
After four really good games it feels like I just ran into a buzzsaw of suck.
He might as well have pissed on himself after making that snare.
dabomb2045
08-10-09, 07:24 PM
I want this guy off my team. Give Gaudin a chance and see what he has.
primetime714
08-10-09, 07:26 PM
It might be time to start up the Chad Gaudin performance thread.
hardrain
08-10-09, 07:26 PM
Cano lollygagged on that potential DP -- not Mitre's fault.
Slioman
08-10-09, 07:26 PM
That error was killer.
smckdwn989
08-10-09, 07:28 PM
Cano lollygagged on that potential DP -- not Mitre's fault.
mitre a) took forever to make the throw and b) was by no means accurate with it.
i really don't have a problem seeing what Gaudin has got. Mitre has not proved he that he has earned the right to start.
teknetic
08-10-09, 07:31 PM
Depending on how long he goes today..
5GS/14IP/17ER and hasn't gone past the 5th in any of them. This isn't John Smoltz where there was at least some hope he might be successful, this is a guy who has been a really bad pitcher his entire career. How many more starts?
Cano probably wanted to the turn the DP, that throw had some serious tail on it. The quadruple-pump prior to making the throw didn't help either.
YESSIR!
08-10-09, 07:32 PM
Please let this be the last we see of Sergio Mitre. He flat out has no business being in the NY Yankees rotation. Not that Gaudin does, but I think it's safe to say we should take our chances at this point. This guy is just putrid.
BonusCantos
08-10-09, 07:34 PM
I do want to see what Gaudin can do now. If he's better than Mitre, fine, and if he's not, then he's not the solution, either.
jesterno2
08-10-09, 07:39 PM
after seeing the replay on espn looks like it was cano's fault, he took his eye off the ball with the slide coming in, but ill give you that the throw was to the glove side but did have some tail on it.
mitre's pitch count is getting up, im sure we'll see gaudin for some long relief action.
primetime714
08-10-09, 07:43 PM
after seeing the replay on espn looks like it was cano's fault, he took his eye off the ball with the slide coming in, but ill give you that the throw was to the glove side but did have some tail on it.
mitre's pitch count is getting up, im sure we'll see gaudin for some long relief action.
Eh, I'd say that Cano should've caught it but Mitre really miffed up the double play by taking forever and not making a good throw. He did the same thing to Jeter in another start. Turning a double play is about rhythm the infielder expects that ball to be there right when they get over there. I mean they do have a runner bearing in on them at 2B.
I'd give that error to Mitre, but I understand the scoring because if the DP wasn't a factor Cano should make that catch.
The Greek
08-10-09, 07:44 PM
What's the point of this guy if he pitches 4 innings each start and give up 4-7 runs a start? There's nothing good that comes out of continuing to have him pitch. I don't understand why Girardi defends him. Did something go on with him and Mitre in Florida that we don't know about?
Yankee Fan in Boston
08-10-09, 07:51 PM
What's the point of this guy if he pitches 4 innings each start and give up 4-7 runs a start? There's nothing good that comes out of continuing to have him pitch. I don't understand why Girardi defends him. Did something go on with him and Mitre in Florida that we don't know about?
I don't understand why people don't get that Girardi gains nothing by ripping his players apart in the media. Listen to Torre. Listen to Francona. What is going on in their minds has little to do with the quotes they give to reporters.
Art Vanderlay
08-10-09, 07:52 PM
What's the point of this guy if he pitches 4 innings each start and give up 4-7 runs a start? There's nothing good that comes out of continuing to have him pitch. I don't understand why Girardi defends him. Did something go on with him and Mitre in Florida that we don't know about?
Giradi defends him for the same reason he dedended Cook last night and A-Rod last week when he didn't hustle out of the box and got thrown out at second. You are dealing with Human Beings, not robots. What kind of message would it send to every player on the team if he threw them under the bus at the first sign of trouble? Mitre is in the rotation because he was the best option at the time. Giradi is trying to instill confidence in him but If he continues to suck he will be replaced.
themgmt
08-10-09, 07:53 PM
No Girardi defends him because Mitre is his "guy" that he told Cashman to sign in the off season.
Art Vanderlay
08-10-09, 07:58 PM
No Girardi defends him because Mitre is his "guy" that he told Cashman to sign in the off season.
Giradi has a mandate from management, make the playoffs or else. Do you really believe he is going to risk his dream job and possibly his managerial career to protect Sergio Mitre?
ArodEra
08-10-09, 07:59 PM
Can we get rid of run per inning Mitre like now? Which pitcher in this organization will do worse?
primetime714
08-10-09, 08:02 PM
Yikes. Gaudin should be coming in next inning if not sooner. From there he'll have a great opportunity to take the 5th starter spot.
Phil-Me-Up
08-10-09, 08:03 PM
UGHH! That homerun hurts :( I am so done with this guy. Just done. For a few of his starts I had the "blind faith/optimism" going on, but no more. Anyone would be a better #5. Anyone. UGHH
Espinosa's Glasses
08-10-09, 08:04 PM
I believe that he is the worst pitcher of ALL TIME.
ArodEra
08-10-09, 08:04 PM
UGHH! That homerun hurts :( I am so done with this guy. Just done. For a few of his starts I had the "blind faith/optimism" going on, but no more. Anyone would be a better #5. Anyone. UGHH
Hey, but he induces grounders and plays with a lot of heart!
YESSIR!
08-10-09, 08:06 PM
Lefties are hitting .500 (25 for 50) with a ~.1200 OPS off of Mitre. He is totally helpless in getting them out. I've got to believe this is the last we see of this guy. With a half-way decent starter this game would be tucked away by now.
teknetic
08-10-09, 08:07 PM
His bad pitching is compounded by the fact that he's faced some mediocre-awful offensive clubs.
themgmt
08-10-09, 08:07 PM
Giradi has a mandate from management, make the playoffs or else. Do you really believe he is going to risk his dream job and possibly his managerial career to protect Sergio Mitre?
You're assuming I think Girardi is intelligent and a good judge of talent.
NelsonMuntz
08-10-09, 08:12 PM
He stinks.
Austin3
08-10-09, 08:15 PM
He pithced crappy enough to lose the game, but good enough for Girardi to be able to justify giving him another start.
nnysiny
08-10-09, 08:16 PM
Cashman needs to trade for a starter
This guy just gets hit hard, nothing really complicated about why he struggles, his pitches just dont seem to give any hitters real problems.
NelsonMuntz
08-10-09, 08:21 PM
He pithced crappy enough to lose the game, but good enough for Girardi to be able to justify giving him another start.
Nailed it. Girardi will milk the botched double play for all its worth.
I can't understand why this organization is willing to sit idle with this guy as our #5 starter. It pretty much guarantees that every 5th game our offense needs to score 6 runs and our bullpen is forced to throw at least 4 innings to keep us in the game.
leutbneot
08-10-09, 08:21 PM
That being said, we could easily be 4-1 in games pitched by the Serge after tonight if we can get a few more runs. Say what you want, the guy kept us where we needed to be today.
themgmt
08-10-09, 08:24 PM
Say what you want, the guy kept us where we needed to be today.
So they needed...
A) to be down in the 5th inning
B) 4 innings from the bullpen
C) at least 6 runs to win
?
Yeah, that's the winning ticket.
YESSIR!
08-10-09, 08:31 PM
That being said, we could easily be 4-1 in games pitched by the Serge after tonight if we can get a few more runs. Say what you want, the guy kept us where we needed to be today.
But that's really not saying much when the guy gave up 5 runs in 5 innings -- any pitcher has a good chance of doing that. The problem is that Mitre hasn't shown us that he can do any better than that. He's only kept us in games because our offense has been scoring him lots of runs.
dabomb2045
08-10-09, 08:34 PM
That being said, we could easily be 4-1 in games pitched by the Serge after tonight if we can get a few more runs. Say what you want, the guy kept us where we needed to be today.
Huh? So giving up 5 runs in 5 innings every start is good.....ummmm no. I dont care what the Yanks record is in games he started. He shouldnt be given any credit for the Yanks offense bailing him out in previous games.
He has done nothing but be terrible as a starter DFA him.
primetime714
08-10-09, 08:35 PM
The thing about Mitre is that he is consistently poor, but never horrendous. Still I don't think that's enough for me to say we shouldn't go to our next option. Which could be Aceves depending on how deep he goes into this game.
With Aceves recent nagging injury issues he might be better served getting consistent rest by moving into the rotation. Also looking at the feasible options he is the best one. Although I wouldn't be opposed to giving Gaudin a look.
ThePinStripes
08-10-09, 08:40 PM
Huh? So giving up 5 runs in 5 innings every start is good.....ummmm no. I dont care what the Yanks record is in games he started. He shouldnt be given any credit for the Yanks offense bailing him out in previous games.
He has done nothing but be terrible as a starter DFA him.
If we win, Girardi will say "what's wrong with him? He has a great heart and we've won 4/5 of his starts!"
fellows
08-10-09, 08:41 PM
The thing about Mitre is that he is consistently poor, but never horrendous. Still I don't think that's enough for me to say we shouldn't go to our next option. Which could be Aceves depending on how deep he goes into this game.
With Aceves recent nagging injury issues he might be better served getting consistent rest by moving into the rotation. Also looking at the feasible options he is the best one. Although I wouldn't be opposed to giving Gaudin a look.
His start against the White Sox was beyond horrendous. 3-0 lead in the 1st and was a complete disaster.
BonusCantos
08-10-09, 08:43 PM
That being said, we could easily be 4-1 in games pitched by the Serge after tonight if we can get a few more runs. Say what you want, the guy kept us where we needed to be today.He has a 7 ERA. The Yankees are winning in spite of him (not tonight, but in general).
mgpenguin
08-10-09, 08:46 PM
That being said, we could easily be 4-1 in games pitched by the Serge after tonight if we can get a few more runs. Say what you want, the guy kept us where we needed to be today. If he was a halfway decent pitcher, we'd probably be up 4-3 or something along those lines. As it stands, we need to score at least six runs to win this game, in addition to getting four innings out of the bullpen. That's not where we needed to be. Sorry to pile on, but jeez.
TheYankee
08-10-09, 08:53 PM
That being said, we could easily be 4-1 in games pitched by the Serge after tonight if we can get a few more runs. Say what you want, the guy kept us where we needed to be today.This is a perfect example of why Win-Loss records for a pitcher mean ZILCH.
leutbneot
08-10-09, 08:54 PM
Hey, I never said he was good. I was just pointing out that he hasn't ACTUALLY hurt us all that much yet. I know that statistically it's all a matter of time before we lose a bunch of ballgames where he starts, but luckily it hasn't bitten us in the a$$ yet.
That being said, yes: Sergio Mitre does suck, and if we have a better option, I am all for pitching someone else. I think Gaudin could pitch at least as well as Mitre, and I bet Aceves could probably pitch better than both of them but he's so key to our bullpen that I don't know if I'd want him to start.
primetime714
08-10-09, 08:56 PM
His start against the White Sox was beyond horrendous. 3-0 lead in the 1st and was a complete disaster.
Very true, that was a pretty awful start even though he didn't technically lose the game.
Mitre is just a demoralizing experience, he forces the offense to get overly aggressive and he drains the bullpen, teams win in spite of guys like him, not because of them.
teknetic
08-10-09, 09:07 PM
The amount of guys who are really bad at baseball that have been on this team this year is pretty nuts.
Slioman
08-10-09, 09:11 PM
At least he's been better than Washburn.
primetime714
08-10-09, 09:14 PM
The amount of guys who are really bad at baseball that have been on this team this year is pretty nuts.
Not really. I mean Mitre is the only bad starter we've had (excluding Wang who was never really healthy) and this is only his 5th start. I mean think of past years where we'd go through 12-15 different starters most of whom were not good. We've been really fortunate in the rotation this year. The bullpen and bench had some bad players earlier on but we seem to have weeded those guys out.
z32razer
08-10-09, 09:16 PM
Geeze, just DFA this guy already......freakin' useless.
The Dream
08-10-09, 09:29 PM
Get the F off my team. Twice, TWICE, you struggle against the Jays. This time, they don't have Rios in the lineup and you still give up 5 runs in 5 innings.
Time for a change.
DEADSOX
08-10-09, 09:29 PM
Well, his error lost the game for us. Giving up 5 runs every outing in 5 innings or less is not a serviceable 5th starter, time to move on.
The big problem when Mitre pitches is that he taxes the pen as he just does not go far enough into the game. He seems to be at the 90-100 PC by the
5th almost every time.
89FoxBody
08-10-09, 09:30 PM
This guy needs to go. Can't pitch, can't field, what is the point? Get rid of him.
The Dream
08-10-09, 09:31 PM
And unsurprisingly, Girardi brought this man to NY
teknetic
08-10-09, 09:33 PM
Not really. I mean Mitre is the only bad starter we've had (excluding Wang who was never really healthy) and this is only his 5th start. I mean think of past years where we'd go through 12-15 different starters most of whom were not good. We've been really fortunate in the rotation this year. The bullpen and bench had some bad players earlier on but we seem to have weeded those guys out.
Mitre, Ransom, Berroa, and Tomko.
Three of them were allowed to stay on the team for months when they were completely and utterly useless and offered nothing positive.
bluetree
08-10-09, 09:39 PM
Same post after every start. This guy is no help to us at all.
justinvarnes
08-10-09, 09:41 PM
When a starter's 7.50 ERA goes up after another start...
Don_Veto
08-10-09, 09:47 PM
Gutless fool who keeps giving up runs after 2-outs and can't field his position. Yep, he'll probably get another start.
roblyo33
08-10-09, 09:55 PM
Gutless fool who keeps giving up runs after 2-outs and can't field his position. Yep, he'll probably get another start.
Very classy!!!!.............
Nancy Newman just reported that the official scorer has changed a decision and charged Mitre with the error that had previously (wrongly, most of us thought) been charged to Cano.
pinstripesphanatic
08-10-09, 09:57 PM
Sergio's gotta go. Now.
Zimmers' Helmet
08-10-09, 10:01 PM
Sergio's gotta go. Now.
He had to go after his last start. He's become a rally killer.
It's time to give Gaudin a shot.
Chairman-of-TheBoard
08-10-09, 10:02 PM
So they needed...
A) to be down in the 5th inning
B) 4 innings from the bullpen
C) at least 6 runs to win
?
Yeah, that's the winning ticket.
You have to give it to Mitre. He effective kills any momentum every 5 days. I'm just not seeing ANY positives in starting this loser every 5 days. 1) He taxes the Pen. 2) He forces the O to score a ton or die. 3) He holds a lead about as well as Weaver ever did. Yet there are people (who I must assume are not mentally ill) who defend this bum?
pinstripesphanatic
08-10-09, 10:04 PM
He had to go after his last start. He's become a rally killer.
It's time to give Gaudin a shot.
Agreed completely. Seems though he will get at least another start. SIGH.
I understand that the 5th starter is a weak spot on almost every team, even contenders but Mitre is not even really measuring up to the expectations you would have for a 5th starter right now.
Panamaniac42
08-10-09, 10:06 PM
Tiiiiiiiiiiiiiime tooooooooooooooooo sayyyyyyy goodbyyyye
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Zimmers' Helmet
08-10-09, 10:08 PM
Agreed completely. Seems though he will get at least another start. SIGH.
Sadly, it seems that Girardi is in love with the guy. Apparently he hasn't realized that neither of them is in Miami anymore.
coachtsurfing
08-10-09, 10:17 PM
This is a perfect example of why Win-Loss records for a pitcher mean ZILCH.
that's why we needed a doc or lee type guy. hell even washburn would have been better. not for what they gave up for those guys or wanted, but we really do need a 5th starter.
jimmykey2
08-10-09, 10:30 PM
Mitre is torture to watch, but his performance tonight really wouldn't have been bad if he could field his position.
Yankee Tripper
08-10-09, 10:30 PM
Well in fairness to Mitre if the DP is turned the outing might have been different but still he allowed 5 R, 4 ER in 5 innings and most of the time that doesn't cut it.
I'd love him to get a mystery injury or be optioned to AAA if he can be but I think he's out of options.
I think the Yanks would like him to compete next year for a role when he's almost 2 years from TJS but he's really not that good. Though shocked the hell out of me with those early Ks.
Breyean
08-10-09, 10:50 PM
Sadly, it seems that Girardi is in love with the guy. Apparently he hasn't realized that neither of them is in Miami anymore.
Not just Girardi. Didn't Kay during the game tonight that he had spoken to Cashman about Mitre and he said he's as good a 5th starter as anyone in the league?
If that's true, and you never know with Cashman, Mitre could be around a long time.
ThePinStripes
08-10-09, 11:08 PM
If Ransom stuck around as long as he did, this guy is retiring here.
DonnieBaseball6979
08-11-09, 12:29 AM
He had to go after his last start. He's become a rally killer.
It's time to give Gaudin a shot.
Absolutely. The entire Mitre experiment was another disaster. What a horrible time to have a bad loss. ALL the momentum in the world is on our side and this guy totally craps the bed. Pathetic.
Also, the complete lack of clutch hitting tonight sucked, but seriously... Mitre sucks and has to go.
StatenIslandYankee
08-11-09, 01:10 AM
He must go ... like YESTERDAY
continentalg5
08-11-09, 05:34 AM
For the love of all things holy, make this cruel and unusual punishment stop, please!
Austin3
08-11-09, 07:30 AM
I agree it's time for him to go, but I don't want to hand the 5th starter job to Gaudin. I'd like to see Aceves in the rotation, Gaudin take over the long-man role in the bull pen and Melancon get called back up to take Mitre's spot. I don't know if Mitre has options, but if he does, fine AAA depth. If not, oh well. DFA.
junkman73
08-11-09, 07:47 AM
They are 3-2 in his 5 starts. If he turns the DP they probably win the game. Unlucky last night.
After the emotional weekend, they were due for a let down.
JavyVazquezIsSick
08-11-09, 07:48 AM
Why does everyone think Gaudin will be much better? They are both terrible. We should of got Cliff Lee, instead we are going to lose every 5th day.
PinstripeDynasty
08-11-09, 07:54 AM
I guess I'm the only one that thinks he didn't do that bad. He went 5 innings, struck out quite a few batters, and really only had the one bad inning because of the error. Definite improvement. This was a very winnable game If our offense could get a run or two in the last 5 innings.
Who else are we going to start, Gaudin? And when he fails, then what?
Can we bring Rasner back from Japan?
themgmt
08-11-09, 08:04 AM
Sergio has given up a run in 23 consecutive starts. And 3 or more in 16 of those.
I went over his gamelogs since 2007 and he's just always been terrible. Why Girardi would expect him to be better coming off surgery is beyond me.
Gaudin isn't much better but better he is.
BRNXBMRS
08-11-09, 08:08 AM
Just torture to watch this guy pitch, slows the game down beyond belief.
BRNXBMRS
08-11-09, 08:14 AM
Still, despite the recent addition of versatile Chad Gaudin to the staff, Joe Girardi was quick to confirm that Mitre's spot in the rotation is safe for at least another turn. "He threw the ball well. His miscue cost him a really good outing, in a sense," Girardi said. "You're looking at just a couple solo home runs and that's it."
Mitre, who played for Girardi in Florida, is grateful to have his manager's support while still regaining arm strength from 2008 Tommy John surgery on his right elbow.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2009/08/11/2009-08-11_sergio_mitre.html
This answers everyones question.
Well then, it looks like at least 1 more turn. If Gaudin comes in and pitches lights out in long relief, that may change his mind after the next start.
Don_Veto
08-11-09, 08:23 AM
Ugh. Ian Kennedy, where art thou?
shadyridr
08-11-09, 08:25 AM
I agree it's time for him to go, but I don't want to hand the 5th starter job to Gaudin. I'd like to see Aceves in the rotation, Gaudin take over the long-man role in the bull pen and Melancon get called back up to take Mitre's spot. I don't know if Mitre has options, but if he does, fine AAA depth. If not, oh well. DFA.
This is the way to go IMO
"TylerKepnerGirardi says Mitre will start the next time through the rotation."
"TylerKepnerJoe Girardi pre-game: "There's been a lot of talk about Serge, but I believe in Serge. I believe he's gonna get better and better." Still?"
Sheesh
DEADSOX
08-11-09, 08:40 AM
I hope he gets shelled for 9 runs in one inning next outing. He's yet to face a really good lineup yet...
Don_Veto
08-11-09, 08:47 AM
Girardi is starting to scare me.
teknetic
08-11-09, 08:51 AM
"TylerKepnerGirardi says Mitre will start the next time through the rotation."
"TylerKepnerJoe Girardi pre-game: "There's been a lot of talk about Serge, but I believe in Serge. I believe he's gonna get better and better." Still?"
Sheesh
Sergio-y doesn't quite sound as good as Serge.
Barf and barf.
Snatch Catch
08-11-09, 08:55 AM
I still have no problem with running him out there every 5th day. His stuff is solid, he's an arm there is no need to baby and he's clearly got the chance to develop positively.
NelsonMuntz
08-11-09, 08:58 AM
I'll say it again -- if Aceves has to bail Mitre out by pitching 4+ innings every time Mitre starts, then Aceves might as well be our 5th starter. At least that way our offense won't have to score 6 runs to give us a chance to win.
Girardi is starting to scare me.
he just says those things to be optimistic. he's really a catcher in mentality. he places a lot of value in the psychological portion of pitching. he wants his pitchers to know he has confidence in them.
themgmt
08-11-09, 09:09 AM
I still have no problem with running him out there every 5th day. His stuff is solid, he's an arm there is no need to baby and he's clearly got the chance to develop positively.
You forgot to mention the 7 ERA and average of 4.5 innings per start.
NelsonMuntz
08-11-09, 09:13 AM
You forgot to mention the 7 ERA and average of 4.5 innings per start.
Don't forget the 1.913 WHIP and the 1.6 HR/9.
Huktonfonix
08-11-09, 10:21 AM
Roster positions that Yankees fans don't seem to understand are by and large filled with guys who suck: fifth starter, backup catcher, utility infielder, middle reliever.
The amount of time people spend on this board clamoring for Cashman to find good players for those roles is ridiculous. Players with those skillsets who are actually pretty good at their jobs have different titles: third starter, starting catcher, shortstop, closer.
Cashman is right. 5th starters suck, and our 5th starter doesn't suck significantly more or less than just about any other team's 5th starter (historic depth aside). I don't want Cashman wasting time, money, or prospects trying to find a marginal upgrade to a guy who probably won't even be on the playoff roster, and won't see action before the 15th inning if he does make it.
millervt
08-11-09, 10:27 AM
so, that begs the interesting question - what is the average ERA for a 5th starter in the AL? Now, its going to be a bit tough to define, since often teams rotate people in and out of that position, but if we are truly trying to evaluate mitre's performance as a 5th starter, that would be a starting point.
Roster positions that Yankees fans don't seem to understand are by and large filled with guys who suck: fifth starter, backup catcher, utility infielder, middle reliever.
The amount of time people spend on this board clamoring for Cashman to find good players for those roles is ridiculous. Players with those skillsets who are actually pretty good at their jobs have different titles: third starter, starting catcher, shortstop, closer.
Cashman is right. 5th starters suck, and our 5th starter doesn't suck significantly more or less than just about any other team's 5th starter (historic depth aside). I don't want Cashman wasting time, money, or prospects trying to find a marginal upgrade to a guy who probably won't even be on the playoff roster, and won't see action before the 15th inning if he does make it.
I don't think it's one of the unwritten rules of baseball that the 5th starter HAS to suck.
I think people realize that it's the one weak link on the team and that Cashman/Girardi should be actively looking for upgrades. Whether it's Gaudin or someone else, Mitres short starts has a negative impact on the pen
Let's compare him to Smoltz whio the sawx just dumped. Both are recovering from surgery and don't have their command back. Both have pretty good stuff. The difference is that Smoltz was once great and Mitre was never even very good.
The sawx dumped Smoltz. Can't fault Yanks fans for wanting to upgrade an obvious weakness
Pags&Rags
08-11-09, 10:36 AM
so, that begs the interesting question - what is the average ERA for a 5th starter in the AL? Now, its going to be a bit tough to define, since often teams rotate people in and out of that position, but if we are truly trying to evaluate mitre's performance as a 5th starter, that would be a starting point.
Average ERA for a fifth starter on a good team probably is in the area of 5.00. I don't have a problem with Mitre starting a couple of more times just as long as it's not against teams in the hunt like Boston, L.A, Detroit or Chicago. Limit his starts to teams under .500. Also I think that Girardi should have used Chad Gaudin last night. I'm not sure why we burned out Aceves for a couple of days for last night's game.
I still have no problem with running him out there every 5th day. His stuff is solid, he's an arm there is no need to baby and he's clearly got the chance to develop positively.
i tend to agree. if he could practise his throw to second, he'll have some very different results. plus, listening to the guy, i'm very aware that he's coming off surgery.
justtxyank
08-11-09, 10:38 AM
I still have no problem with running him out there every 5th day. His stuff is solid, he's an arm there is no need to baby and he's clearly got the chance to develop positively.
Is this a joke? No need to baby his arm? Even if we WANTED to baby his arm we couldn't. The guy is out of the game before the 6th every single start.
Love those gutsy veterans who we can just throw out there and let pitch without concern for their arms!
Roster positions that Yankees fans don't seem to understand are by and large filled with guys who suck: fifth starter, backup catcher, utility infielder, middle reliever.
The amount of time people spend on this board clamoring for Cashman to find good players for those roles is ridiculous. Players with those skillsets who are actually pretty good at their jobs have different titles: third starter, starting catcher, shortstop, closer.
Cashman is right. 5th starters suck, and our 5th starter doesn't suck significantly more or less than just about any other team's 5th starter (historic depth aside). I don't want Cashman wasting time, money, or prospects trying to find a marginal upgrade to a guy who probably won't even be on the playoff roster, and won't see action before the 15th inning if he does make it.
i completely agree with this.
Huktonfonix
08-11-09, 10:53 AM
Also, people think we should've acquired Washburn instead?
Humor me for a minute and pretend the Yankees do not have limitless resources. Pretend that the economy is lousy, that despite having a new stadium and the best record in baseball they didn't sell out their second game until August. Pretend that they've demonstrated a commitment to maintaining and possibly even reducing payroll. Furthermore, pretend that they have shown a commitment to developing talent from within the organization, and that they would not want to give up a top prospect for a temporary stopgap at the back of the rotation. Suspend disbelief for a moment and assume that acquiring Peavy, Halladay and Lee to round out the rotation behind CC and AJ is not realistic.
With this crazy scenario in mind, Jarrod Washburn makes 10 million dollars per year. That's MORE than the difference anually between signing a CC Sabathia and a Derek Lowe. On the other hand, Sergio Mitre is essentially free.
So:
CC, AJ, Andy, Joba, Mitre?
or
DLowe, AJ, Andy, Joba, Washburn?
Wasting money on mediocre veterans to fill unimportant roles leads to things like signing a CF who can barely play left field, instead of ponying up for Carlos Beltran. Or for a more timely example: if we took on Washburn's contract at the deadline last year, Nick Swisher is probably our starting 1B today.
JfromJersey
08-11-09, 11:10 AM
I don't buy the idea that 5th starters have to suck. If you suck on a ML level you don't belong in the majors. If not for injuries, contending teams like the Yankees and Red Sox would have back end of the rotation starters who could be middle of the rotation guys on many teams. IMO if you have an ERA far north of 5.00 you don't belong on a contending major league team. If it's north of 6.00, you don't belong in the majors period. Joe Girardi likes to prop up his players and that's commendable, but he can't keep throwing Mitre out there if the Yankees have to keep scoring runs in bunches to bail him out. How many chances does he get before you try another option?
Panamaniac42
08-11-09, 11:14 AM
Also I think that Girardi should have used Chad Gaudin last night. I'm not sure why we burned out Aceves for a couple of days for last night's game.
Why would Girardi want to throw up the white flag at 5-4? Ace shut them down completely and gave us a chance to come back and win.
ShaneTravis
08-11-09, 11:47 AM
Ian Kennedy must be kicking himself. What an opportunity if he didn't go down with injury.
justtxyank
08-11-09, 11:48 AM
Why would Girardi want to throw up the white flag at 5-4? Ace shut them down completely and gave us a chance to come back and win.
If the Yankees believe Guadin is a white flag then are stupid for replacing Melancon with him.
Yankee Tripper
08-11-09, 11:53 AM
If the Yankees believe Guadin is a white flag then are stupid for replacing Melancon with him.It could be that Joe was stretching out Acevas to take the 5th starter spot on Saturday and that was Mitre's last chance.
At least that's what I'm hoping.
My guess is that unless Joba throws 7 pretty easy innings tonight, that Gaudin is first out of the pen today.
Yankee Fan in Boston
08-11-09, 11:55 AM
Ian Kennedy must be kicking himself. What an opportunity if he didn't go down with injury.
Seriously. Not sure how many chances like this that guy is going to get for us... it's too bad
JavyVazquezIsSick
08-11-09, 12:00 PM
Ummm, next season he'll get a chance if he stays healthy.
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