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TheBamTino24

07-01-09, 09:55 AM

Thanks to another late inning, GW RBI by Melky Cabrera, the Yankees won their 6th consecutive game last night over the Seattle Mariners. Simultaneously, the Orioles were staging a prolific 9-run comeback over the 7th & 8th innings against the Red Sox.

The combination of events puts the Yankees (44-32) to within 2.5 games of the AL East-leading Red Sox (47-30). The Rays (44-35) trail by just 4 games and have the best run differential in MLB (+93; Dodgers 2nd at +83, BOS = +73, NYY = +58).

Tonight’s game features a battle of veteran LH starters as Andy Pettitte (7-3, 4.38) takes on Jarrod Washburn (4-5, 3.22).

On June 19th in Florida, Pettitte put together his best outing since April: 7 IP, 1 ER, 3 H, 0 BB, 7 K. He followed that up by reverting to the ineffective form that has characterized his performance for about 2 months now by allowing 7 hits and 3 walks in just 3.2 IP against the Braves last week.

Washburn has been both outstanding and consistent for the Mariners this season. Of his 14 starts, 10 have been at least “quality starts”, and he’s completed at least 6 IP in 12 of the 14 games. Furthermore, his 0.90 GO:AO is his best since his Angel days, and he’s featuring his best WHIP (1.19) since 2002, bolstered by a career-best 2.40 K:BB rate (6.04 K/9, 2.52 BB/9).

Over 89.1 IP this season, Washburn has a very high BAbip of .371.

LH vs. Washburn (99 AB): .162/.198/.263
RH vs. Washburn (238 AB): .273/.330/.412

Pettitte vs. Seattle:
<TABLE class=tablehead border=0 cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 sizcache="0" sizset="163"><TBODY sizcache="0" sizset="163"><TR class=colhead align=right sizcache="0" sizset="165"><TD width=130 align=left>HITTER</TD><TD width=35 sizcache="0" sizset="165">AB (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=3171&teamId=12&sort=atBats)</TD><TD width=35 sizcache="0" sizset="166">H (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=3171&teamId=12&sort=hits)</TD><TD width=35 sizcache="0" sizset="167">2B (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=3171&teamId=12&sort=doubles)</TD><TD width=35 sizcache="0" sizset="168">3B (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=3171&teamId=12&sort=triples)</TD><TD width=35 sizcache="0" sizset="169">HR (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=3171&teamId=12&sort=homeRuns)</TD><TD width=35 sizcache="0" sizset="170">RBI (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=3171&teamId=12&sort=RBIs)</TD><TD width=35 sizcache="0" sizset="171">BB (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=3171&teamId=12&sort=walks)</TD><TD width=35 sizcache="0" sizset="172">SO (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=3171&teamId=12&sort=strikeouts)</TD><TD width=50 sizcache="0" sizset="173">BA (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=3171&teamId=12&sort=avg)</TD><TD width=50 sizcache="0" sizset="174">OBP (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=3171&teamId=12&sort=onBasePct)</TD><TD width=50 sizcache="0" sizset="175">SLG (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=3171&teamId=12&sort=slugAvg)</TD><TD width=50 sizcache="0" sizset="176">OPS (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=3171&teamId=12&sort=OPS)</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right sizcache="0" sizset="177"><TD align=left sizcache="0" sizset="177">Ken Griffey Jr. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=2148)</TD><TD class=sortcell>53</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>.340</TD><TD>.417</TD><TD>.509</TD><TD>.926</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right sizcache="0" sizset="178"><TD align=left sizcache="0" sizset="178">Mike Sweeney (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3360)</TD><TD class=sortcell>31</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>.290</TD><TD>.371</TD><TD>.323</TD><TD>.694</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right sizcache="0" sizset="179"><TD align=left sizcache="0" sizset="179">Ichiro Suzuki (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=4570)</TD><TD class=sortcell>30</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>.400</TD><TD>.400</TD><TD>.433</TD><TD>.833</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right sizcache="0" sizset="180"><TD align=left sizcache="0" sizset="180">Chris Woodward (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=4083)</TD><TD class=sortcell>13</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>.308</TD><TD>.400</TD><TD>.769</TD><TD>1.169</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right sizcache="0" sizset="181"><TD align=left sizcache="0" sizset="181">Adrian Beltre (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3878)</TD><TD class=sortcell>8</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>.375</TD><TD>.444</TD><TD>.500</TD><TD>.944</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right sizcache="0" sizset="182"><TD align=left sizcache="0" sizset="182">Yuniesky Betancourt (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=6218)</TD><TD class=sortcell>8</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>.250</TD><TD>.222</TD><TD>.250</TD><TD>.472</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right sizcache="0" sizset="183"><TD align=left sizcache="0" sizset="183">Franklin Gutierrez (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=6408)</TD><TD class=sortcell>8</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>.250</TD><TD>.333</TD><TD>.625</TD><TD>.958</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right sizcache="0" sizset="184"><TD align=left sizcache="0" sizset="184">Josh Wilson (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=6429)</TD><TD class=sortcell>8</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.500</TD><TD>.500</TD><TD>.750</TD><TD>1.250</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right sizcache="0" sizset="185"><TD align=left sizcache="0" sizset="185">Jose Lopez (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=6048)</TD><TD class=sortcell>7</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>.143</TD><TD>.222</TD><TD>.143</TD><TD>.365</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right sizcache="0" sizset="186"><TD align=left sizcache="0" sizset="186">Ronny Cedeno (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=6254)</TD><TD class=sortcell>6</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>.167</TD><TD>.167</TD><TD>.167</TD><TD>.333</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right sizcache="0" sizset="187"><TD align=left sizcache="0" sizset="187">Wladimir Balentien (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=28867)</TD><TD class=sortcell>6</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>.500</TD><TD>.500</TD><TD>.500</TD><TD>1.000</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right sizcache="0" sizset="188"><TD align=left sizcache="0" sizset="188">Endy Chavez (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=4727)</TD><TD class=sortcell>5</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.600</TD><TD>.600</TD><TD>1.200</TD><TD>1.800</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right sizcache="0" sizset="189"><TD align=left sizcache="0" sizset="189">Kenji Johjima (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=6458)</TD><TD class=sortcell>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.333</TD><TD>.333</TD><TD>.333</TD><TD>.667</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right sizcache="0" sizset="190"><TD align=left sizcache="0" sizset="190">Matt Tuiasosopo (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=29254)</TD><TD class=sortcell>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.333</TD><TD>.333</TD><TD>.667</TD><TD>1.000</TD></TR><TR class=colhead align=right><TD align=left>Totals</TD><TD>189</TD><TD>64</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>26</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>.339</TD><TD>.386</TD><TD>.481</TD><TD>.868</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Washburn vs. New York:
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sizset="173">BB (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=3834&teamId=10&sort=walks)</TD><TD width=35 sizcache="0" sizset="174">SO (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=3834&teamId=10&sort=strikeouts)</TD><TD width=50 sizcache="0" sizset="175">BA (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=3834&teamId=10&sort=avg)</TD><TD width=50 sizcache="0" sizset="176">OBP (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=3834&teamId=10&sort=onBasePct)</TD><TD width=50 sizcache="0" sizset="177">SLG (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=3834&teamId=10&sort=slugAvg)</TD><TD width=50 sizcache="0" sizset="178">OPS (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=3834&teamId=10&sort=OPS)</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right sizcache="0" sizset="179"><TD align=left sizcache="0" sizset="179">Mark Teixeira (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=4937)</TD><TD class=sortcell>49</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>.286</TD><TD>.364</TD><TD>.429</TD><TD>.792</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right sizcache="0" sizset="180"><TD align=left sizcache="0" sizset="180">Alex Rodriguez (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3115)</TD><TD class=sortcell>47</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>.319</TD><TD>.396</TD><TD>.702</TD><TD>1.098</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right sizcache="0" sizset="181"><TD align=left sizcache="0" sizset="181">Derek Jeter (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3246)</TD><TD class=sortcell>37</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>.324</TD><TD>.390</TD><TD>.432</TD><TD>.823</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right sizcache="0" sizset="182"><TD align=left sizcache="0" sizset="182">Johnny Damon (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3323)</TD><TD class=sortcell>37</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>.243</TD><TD>.310</TD><TD>.351</TD><TD>.661</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right sizcache="0" sizset="183"><TD align=left sizcache="0" sizset="183">Nick Swisher (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=5937)</TD><TD class=sortcell>24</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>.208</TD><TD>.321</TD><TD>.458</TD><TD>.780</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right sizcache="0" sizset="184"><TD align=left sizcache="0" sizset="184">Jorge Posada (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3341)</TD><TD class=sortcell>22</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>.273</TD><TD>.333</TD><TD>.318</TD><TD>.652</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right sizcache="0" sizset="185"><TD align=left sizcache="0" sizset="185">Hideki Matsui (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=5372)</TD><TD class=sortcell>14</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>.143</TD><TD>.143</TD><TD>.429</TD><TD>.571</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right sizcache="0" sizset="186"><TD align=left sizcache="0" sizset="186">Robinson Cano (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=6204)</TD><TD class=sortcell>14</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>.143</TD><TD>.200</TD><TD>.214</TD><TD>.414</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right sizcache="0" sizset="187"><TD align=left sizcache="0" sizset="187">Melky Cabrera (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=6347)</TD><TD class=sortcell>13</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>.000</TD><TD>.000</TD><TD>.000</TD><TD>.000</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right sizcache="0" sizset="188"><TD align=left sizcache="0" sizset="188">Jose Molina (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=4169)</TD><TD class=sortcell>9</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>.444</TD><TD>.444</TD><TD>.889</TD><TD>1.333</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right sizcache="0" sizset="189"><TD align=left sizcache="0" sizset="189">Eric Hinske (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=4606)</TD><TD class=sortcell>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>.000</TD><TD>.000</TD><TD>.000</TD><TD>.000</TD></TR><TR class=colhead align=right><TD align=left>Totals</TD><TD>269</TD><TD>69</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>25</TD><TD>39</TD><TD>.257</TD><TD>.323</TD><TD>.439</TD><TD>.762</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

JavyVazquezIsSick

07-01-09, 09:58 AM

Be good Andy...

JOBA RULES

07-01-09, 09:59 AM

Make it 7 tonight boys!

THEBOSS84

07-01-09, 10:00 AM

All good things must come to an end...

hatfieldms

07-01-09, 10:00 AM

Keep it rolling

tdel23

07-01-09, 10:04 AM

stupid Joe batting Cano 5th.

Bub

07-01-09, 10:05 AM

Looks like a good time to give Melky a night off.

BRNXBMRS

07-01-09, 10:05 AM

Make it 7 tonight boys!

I hope so, I'll am going tonight.

teknetic

07-01-09, 10:07 AM

Washburn butchers us.

JOBA RULES

07-01-09, 10:18 AM

Got to take advantage of these games against SEA as the sch gets tougher....@ Minny, @Det, and @LAA...

delv

07-01-09, 10:21 AM

Looks like a good time to give Melky a night off.

Washburn is better against lefties... I dunno why Gardner would be a better bet..

Melky used to be caca batting righty, and he's better now.

the_coach

07-01-09, 10:24 AM

Looks like a good time to give Melky a night off.

Maybe Hinske gets a start in RF?

THEBOSS84

07-01-09, 10:25 AM

Alright I got a scoring question that I have nowhere else to put but here, I guess:

NL park, Pettitte is on first base. DJ hits one to dead center that makes the CF dive for it and come up empty-handed. Andy is chugging around the bases with DJ literally on his tail. There is a play at the plate. Andy gets nailed at the plate, but DJ manages to score somehow eluding the tag.

What is DJ credited with? A triple and he scores on a fielder's choice?

JavyVazquezIsSick

07-01-09, 10:26 AM

I'd think so.

EDIT: I think he'd get a RBI too.

Mark19

07-01-09, 10:31 AM

I'm sure Girardi will go with his "we won yesterday, the lineup must have been correct" reasoning but I would go with:

Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Posada DH
Swisher RF
Cano 2B
Cervelli C -- (8 for 20 against LHP)
Cabrera CF

JOBA RULES

07-01-09, 10:36 AM

THEBOSS84

07-01-09, 10:38 AM

I'd think so.

EDIT: I think he'd get a RBI too.

I don't think he would get an RBI. Anyone else care to chime in?

delv

07-01-09, 10:39 AM

and Matsui did well yesterday. It's rough to drop him out of the lineup the day after the DH position opens up. he's good against LHP

pleasepassthesoup

07-01-09, 10:41 AM

Yanks have the best run differential in baseball since May 9: +81. Keep it going, guys!

JavyVazquezIsSick

07-01-09, 10:46 AM

I don't think he would get an RBI. Anyone else care to chime in?

Why not? Someone should? You get a RBI on a fielder's choice and a sac fly.

THEBOSS84

07-01-09, 10:47 AM

Why not? Someone should? You get a RBI on a fielder's choice and a sac fly.

Yeah, but can someone get an RBI for their OWN run on a fielder's choice?

It's like when there is a double steal. If the out is made at third base, the guy who stole second doesn't get credited with a steal even though he moved up a base, because an out was made on that play. He advanced on a fielder's choice.

JOBA RULES

07-01-09, 10:50 AM

I hope so, I'll am going tonight.

You might want to know this if your going tonight..Per Pete

If you’re going to the game today:
Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain and Alfredo Aceves will greet fans entering through Gate 4 at roughly 4 p.m.

JavyVazquezIsSick

07-01-09, 10:50 AM

Yeah, but can someone get an RBI for their OWN run on a fielder's choice?

It's like when there is a double steal. If the out is made at third base, the guy who stole second doesn't get credited with a steal even though he moved up a base, because an out was made on that play. He advanced on a fielder's choice.

I don't know, but you can't get an RBI unless a bat is in your hand.

aeromac76

07-01-09, 10:58 AM

I don't think he would get an RBI. Anyone else care to chime in?

Triple.
Scores on FC.
No RBI.

THEBOSS84

07-01-09, 10:59 AM

Triple.
Scores on FC.
No RBI.

That's exactly what I thought.

JavyVazquezIsSick

07-01-09, 11:01 AM

Triple.
Scores on FC.
No RBI.

You know this for a fact?

aeromac76

07-01-09, 11:01 AM

Why not? Someone should? You get a RBI on a fielder's choice and a sac fly.

Nope.
It is more like a runner on third base and the hitter bounces back to the mound.
They get the runner coming home in a rundown. But somehow he winds up scoring.
It is a FC, no RBI.

The only way you get get an RBI for driving yourself in is on a HR.
If Andy is thrown out ahead of Jeter, then you cannot give Jeter a HR (ITP variety of course) so he gets just a triple. You cannot drive yourself in with a triple.

aeromac76

07-01-09, 11:02 AM

You know this for a fact?
99% sure..

THEBOSS84

07-01-09, 11:03 AM

Nope.
It is more like a runner on third base and the hitter bounces back to the mound.
They get the runner coming home in a rundown. But somehow he winds up scoring.
It is a FC, no RBI.

The only way you get get an RBI for driving yourself in is on a HR.
If Andy is thrown out ahead of Jeter, then you cannot give Jeter a HR (ITP variety of course) so he gets just a triple. You cannot drive yourself in with a triple.

That line is the clincher for me.

Thanks - I was wondering about this over the weekend.

JavyVazquezIsSick

07-01-09, 11:03 AM

Nope.
It is more like a runner on third base and the hitter bounces back to the mound.
They get the runner coming home in a rundown. But somehow he winds up scoring.
It is a FC, no RBI.

The only way you get get an RBI for driving yourself in is on a HR.
If Andy is thrown out ahead of Jeter, then you cannot give Jeter a HR (ITP variety of course) so he gets just a triple. You cannot drive yourself in with a triple.

Gotcha, don't agree with it, but I understand.

I also don't agree with the no RBI on a DP.

THEBOSS84

07-01-09, 11:04 AM

Gotcha, don't agree with it, but I understand.

I also don't agree with the no RBI on a DP.

Really? It seems obvious to me. He did more bad than good for his team in that spot. It meant there were 2 on and no outs. He absolutely minimized the damage there.

aeromac76

07-01-09, 11:05 AM

Gotcha, don't agree with it, but I understand.

I also don't agree with the no RBI on a DP.

I tend to agree with you, but them's the current scoring rules!
:)

JavyVazquezIsSick

07-01-09, 11:07 AM

Really? It seems obvious to me. He did more bad than good for his team in that spot. It meant there were 2 on and no outs. He absolutely minimized the damage there.

What if you SO instead. Then the next guy DPs.

I'd much rather have the first guy hit into the DP and get the run.

THEBOSS84

07-01-09, 11:09 AM

What if you SO instead. Then the next guy DPs.

I'd much rather have the first guy hit into the DP and get the run.

As would I, but there's no way a player should get credited with an RBI for doing something that prevented a big inning for his team.

BRNXBMRS

07-01-09, 11:09 AM

JavyVazquezIsSick

07-01-09, 11:13 AM

As would I, but there's no way a player should get credited with an RBI for doing something that prevented a big inning for his team.

I just think if you get a run in, you should get an RBI. That "big inning" may not ever happen.

The rules aren't based on run expectency models, for some reason in this case, they are.

Mantle'sMutt

07-01-09, 11:13 AM

Winning streaks are good.

Bostonsfavson

07-01-09, 11:17 AM

I just think if you get a run in, you should get an RBI. That "big inning" may not ever happen.

The rules aren't based on run expectency models, for some reason in this case, they are.

Agree 100%. No RBI on DP balls drives me crazy. Can't make the assumption that you're costing your team multiple runs, when you for sure gave them at least one. And what if that run that scored ends up being the GW? Still no credit for an RBI.

Yankee Fan in Boston

07-01-09, 11:17 AM

I can't look at this matchup without thinking that if Seattle hadn't been so greeedy at the trade deadline last year Washburn is starting for us and Andy might not be on the team.

Mantle'sMutt

07-01-09, 11:20 AM

You might want to know this if your going tonight..Per Pete

If you’re going to the game today:
Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain and Alfredo Aceves will greet fans entering through Gate 4 at roughly 4 p.m.

I understand that Joba is restricted to a hundred handshake or ten minute limit, which ever comes first, and Hughes is only allowed to participate twenty minutes after the start and twenty minutes before the close. Aceves will be up and down off his stool like a yo-yo.

R.V.47

07-01-09, 11:44 AM

I bet Hinske probably gets a start tonight, Im just not sure where since everyones hitting. Maybe 1b to give Tex a breather.

Bob420

07-01-09, 12:03 PM

I think ground ball outs that score a runner from 3rd should be scored the same way as a fly ball out that scores a runner from 3rd.

Stache Fan

07-01-09, 12:06 PM

I can't look at this matchup without thinking that if Seattle hadn't been so greeedy at the trade deadline last year Washburn is starting for us and Andy might not be on the team.

Yeah but he's got a sizeable contract so that would mean no AJ.

EvanJ

07-01-09, 12:06 PM

I also don't agree with the no RBI on a DP.

You started a topic about that in 2007. See http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=104900 if anybody wants to read that topic.

I think ground ball outs that score a runner from 3rd should be scored the same way as a fly ball out that scores a runner from 3rd.

I agree. I think an RBI groundout (not a double play) should not count as an out in your batting average.

JavyVazquezIsSick

07-01-09, 12:07 PM

You started a topic about that in 2007. See http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=104900 if anybody wants to read that topic.

Yeah, I remember that, good times...:)

Bub

07-01-09, 12:22 PM

Maybe Hinske gets a start in RF?Hinske doesn't exactly rake lefties either. I'd rather he get his feet wet in NY against a right-hander.

Despite Melky's good stats against lefties this year, I'd give Gardner a try and see if he can work out a walk or slap a single. I've seen trends in the past where some guys just can't hit certain pitchers, and most of the time it continues....and Washburn owns Melky.

89FoxBody

07-01-09, 01:44 PM

Their team BA against Andy makes me shudder.

TinoFan84

07-01-09, 01:48 PM

I understand that Joba is restricted to a hundred handshake or ten minute limit, which ever comes first, and Hughes is only allowed to participate twenty minutes after the start and twenty minutes before the close. Aceves will be up and down off his stool like a yo-yo.

:lol: Good one!

Mark19

07-01-09, 02:01 PM

Their team BA against Andy makes me shudder.

They won't have Beltre or Chavez and not all of Wilson, Woodward and Betancourt will start.

MarthaT

07-01-09, 02:21 PM

I think ground ball outs that score a runner from 3rd should be scored the same way as a fly ball out that scores a runner from 3rd.

I certainly agree with this, don't know why they dont

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pinstripesphanatic

07-01-09, 02:28 PM

oh joy, washburn......

JohnnyDamonfan

07-01-09, 02:36 PM

I don't care how you do just buckle down play hard and win. We win this game we're probably gonna be 1 or 1 1/2 games out of first. (How awesome would that be?)

Mark19

07-01-09, 02:43 PM

YANKEES (44-32)

Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
Ransom 3B

Pitching: LHP Andy Pettitte (7-3, 4.38).

THEBOSS84

07-01-09, 02:43 PM

Wow, Cano not hitting 5th.

NYYDragoon

07-01-09, 02:45 PM

YANKEES (44-32)

Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
Ransom 3B

Pitching: LHP Andy Pettitte (7-3, 4.38).Mark, you made a typo.

JohnnyDamonfan

07-01-09, 02:45 PM

Can someone tell me why A-rod isn't playing third? Does he have an injury that I don't know about. I would have said they gave him a day off but he's still being the DH.

JavyVazquezIsSick

07-01-09, 02:46 PM

Finally. Ransom? Where's Hinske?

THEBOSS84

07-01-09, 02:46 PM

Finally. Ransom? Where's Hinske?

I assume it's the LHP vs RHB thing.

Yankee Fan in Boston

07-01-09, 02:47 PM

Finally. Ransom? Where's Hinske?

I am sure it's because Washburn is so tough on lefties

Hellsing

07-01-09, 02:48 PM

Finally. Ransom? Where's Hinske?

Good to know they acquired this guy just so he can keep Alex company on the bench during his off-days.

teknetic

07-01-09, 02:48 PM

July 1st, 2009.

Never forget.

The Dream

07-01-09, 02:50 PM

Much rather have Pena playing 3rd tonight than Ransom, ughh. And no Gardner again

Mark19

07-01-09, 02:50 PM

Mark, you made a typo.

Maybe the recent sunshine caused Girardi to turn into the guy from 'Phenomenon"

schwarzstein

07-01-09, 02:55 PM

Much rather have Pena playing 3rd tonight than Ransom, ughh. And no Gardner again

Pete Abe said Ramiro was sent back to AAA... but I agree with you :/

NYYDragoon

07-01-09, 03:02 PM

July 1st, 2009.

Never forget.I will never forget July 1st, 2004.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYA/NYA200407010.shtml

themgmt

07-01-09, 03:24 PM

Wow, Cano not hitting 5th.

Only because a lefty is on the mound and Matsui is sitting. If yesterday was any indication, Cano will be back in there.

Yankee Fan in Boston

07-01-09, 03:26 PM

I will never forget July 1st, 2004.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYA/NYA200407010.shtml

Jeter in the stands. I was at that game.

THEBOSS84

07-01-09, 03:31 PM

Jeter in the stands. I was at that game.

"THAT'S ONE OF THE GREATEST GAMES YOU WILL EVER SEE!!!"

JavyVazquezIsSick

07-01-09, 03:33 PM

Didn't he say plays?

DEADSOX

07-01-09, 03:34 PM

Wow, Cano not hitting 5th.

My head just exploded on the computer screen.

THEBOSS84

07-01-09, 03:34 PM

Didn't he say plays?

No, that line was said when Flaherty hit the walkoff double.

Dave B

07-01-09, 03:36 PM

Finally. Ransom? Where's Hinske?
Hinske is also an awful third baseman. They're better off using him in his other 3 positions but letting Ransom cover ARod's spot.

Cano getting dropped down is cause for celebration.

Now let's hope that tonight doesn't end up being another one of those games where Washburn increases his trade value like last year. Didn't he shut them down right around the time there was talk that they might trade for him?

Yankee Fan in Boston

07-01-09, 03:37 PM

I often reference the Pedro/Admiral matchup when people look at pitching matchups and think a game is an automatic win or loss

ajra21

07-01-09, 03:44 PM

time for andy to step up.

Mark19

07-01-09, 03:49 PM

I often reference the Pedro/Admiral matchup when people look at pitching matchups and think a game is an automatic win or loss

That's up there with Levale Speigner outdueling Johan Santana a few years ago

pinstripesphanatic

07-01-09, 03:56 PM

time for andy to step up.

I'm not sure which worries me more, Andy or Washburn. :o

NYYDragoon

07-01-09, 04:02 PM

Jeter in the stands. I was at that game.One of my buddies had an extra ticket and he invited someone else :o. I was not thrilled.

Mantle'sMutt

07-01-09, 04:05 PM

Hinske is also an awful third baseman. They're better off using him in his other 3 positions but letting Ransom cover ARod's spot.

Cano getting dropped down is cause for celebration.

Now let's hope that tonight doesn't end up being another one of those games where Washburn increases his trade value like last year. Didn't he shut them down right around the time there was talk that they might trade for him?

He and Woodward in the same game at 3B would be brutal.

CoyoteYankee

07-01-09, 04:05 PM

Jeter in the stands. I was at that game.

Me too. :)

*sigh* I miss living near the Stadium and going to 20 to 30 games per year.

THEBOSS84

07-01-09, 04:20 PM

Going to Legends seats for free now. See ya boys. Sucks that Andy pitches...

themgmt

07-01-09, 04:22 PM

Fellas, every time there is a Lefty starting, Girardi switches Cano and Posada. I don't think he's made any changes yet.

mexicanyank

07-01-09, 04:24 PM

Damn, it was too much to ask from the O's to win a series vs. the Sox. Up by 4 in the ninth and ended up losing in extra-innings. Still, we have to win today. Cano batting fifth isn't surprising. Against LHP Girardi´s gone with Posada in that spot all season. Let's hope he has a big game and Joe keeps the lineup for tomorrow.

mexicanyank

07-01-09, 04:25 PM

Fellas, every time there is a Lefty starting, Girardi switches Cano and Posada. I don't think he's made any changes yet.

Beat me to it haha...

Mantle'sMutt

07-01-09, 04:26 PM

Rain odds?

Yankee Fan in Boston

07-01-09, 04:29 PM

One of my buddies had an extra ticket and he invited someone else :o. I was not thrilled.

I was living in Boston then and was down for work when a friend offered me a ticket. I was happy just to have some good seats at the Stadium -- even if it was Halsey vs. Pedro. Unbelievable the way it worked out.

mexicanyank

07-01-09, 04:32 PM

From Pete A.'s Blog:

MARINERS (39-37)
Suzuki RF
Branyan 1B
Lopez 2B
Griffey DH
Gutiuerrez CF
Balentien LF
Woodward 3B
Johnson CF
Cedeno SS
Pitching: LHP Jarrod Washburn (4-5, 3.22).

JohnnyDamonfan

07-01-09, 04:33 PM

Rain odds?

I don't think we have to worry about that. Light rain at 9 . Maybe some Isolated Thunderstorms at midnight but other then that it looks good.

http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/USNY0172?from=hrly_graph_tab

Mantle'sMutt

07-01-09, 04:36 PM

I don't think we have to worry about that. Light rain at 9 . Maybe some Isolated Thunderstorms at midnight but other then that it looks good.

http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/USNY0172?from=hrly_graph_tab

Thanks.

Pete Mariner line-up same as one on Seattle Times blog

CoyoteYankee

07-01-09, 04:49 PM

I don't think we have to worry about that. Light rain at 9 . Maybe some Isolated Thunderstorms at midnight but other then that it looks good.

http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/USNY0172?from=hrly_graph_tab

It would be nice to have one freakin' game where it doesn't rain at all.

NelsonMuntz

07-01-09, 05:13 PM

I thought the acquisition of Hinske would mean no starts for Ransom. Sadly, I was mistaken. :(

BxBomber44

07-01-09, 05:27 PM

Anyone see Wetteland on batting practice today?

mitch300

07-01-09, 05:36 PM

With Arod DHing tonicht does this count as his "off day" per week?
Sorry if this has been brought up in this thread. For some reason my computer locks up( EI) on some threads and pages. I cannot get on page 3 of this thread.

89FoxBody

07-01-09, 05:37 PM

I'm watching the pregame and Kim Jones just said that Joe told the press that Cano is ONLY batting 6th because Washburn is tough on lefties.

Epic facepalm.

delv

07-01-09, 05:39 PM

I'm watching the pregame and Kim Jones just said that Joe told the press that Cano is ONLY batting 6th because Washburn is tough on lefties.

Epic facepalm.

:lol::lol::lol: