View Full Version : Your new shortstop: Hanley Ramirez?
JobaDynasty
06-23-09, 10:17 AM
This is for a couple years down the road because Jeter is signed through 2010, but by that point Hanley Ramirez will be in the big money portion of his 6 year deal. The Marlins would probably love to have that taken off their hands if they can get a couple grade A prospects to go with it. How about Hanley Ramirez as the new Yankees shortstop?
YESSIR!
06-23-09, 10:19 AM
Get 'er done, Cash.
Bernforever51
06-23-09, 10:20 AM
I'd rather have JJ Hardy....
j/k Hanly would be a good heir apparnt to Jeter, but i'd rather develop a young shortstop then go sign one or trade for one
themgmt
06-23-09, 10:25 AM
Hanley will end up in the outfield shortly after Jeter does.
Hanley will end up in the outfield shortly after Jeter does.
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27IsNext
06-23-09, 10:42 AM
Hanley's future is at third base. We already have a third baseman locked up until he's 42. :-\
NYYDragoon
06-23-09, 10:58 AM
Hanley's future is at third base. We already have a third baseman locked up until he's 42. :-\I thought he was projected to end up in the OF?
knickfan23
06-23-09, 11:00 AM
This is for a couple years down the road because Jeter is signed through 2010, but by that point Hanley Ramirez will be in the big money portion of his 6 year deal. The Marlins would probably love to have that taken off their hands if they can get a couple grade A prospects to go with it. How about Hanley Ramirez as the new Yankees shortstop?
They're going to want another team to take Ramirez off their hands even though they are building a new stadium for 2011/2012?
Hellsing
06-23-09, 11:13 AM
Can he play 2B?
I thought he was projected to end up in the OF?
I think hes projected to end up at every other position on the field that isnt short stop.
THEBOSS84
06-23-09, 11:24 AM
I think hes projected to end up at every other position on the field that isnt short stop.
We should trade for him and groom him to be Posada's eventual replacement.
NYYDragoon
06-23-09, 11:26 AM
We should trade for him and groom him to be Posada's eventual replacement.Or Mo's.
Yankees13
06-23-09, 11:27 AM
When the Fish put him on the block, it's going to be quite the battle between the Yanks and Sox.
NYYDragoon
06-23-09, 11:29 AM
When the Fish put him on the block, it's going to be quite the battle between the Yanks and Sox.IIRC, wasn't there an article over the offseason about how he may not want to return to Boston?
Bernforever51
06-23-09, 11:48 AM
I would like Hanly, but shouldn't we be trying to groom our older players successors in our own farm system, just a thought.
BronxYanks45
06-23-09, 12:04 PM
guys whatever happened to Pena as Jeter replacement??????
anyway 2 key areas we should be looking for replacements is Mo's replacement and Posada's replacement, though I think we have him in Cervelli
JohnnyDamonfan
06-23-09, 12:21 PM
It depends. I would much rather have Pena (One of our guys at Shortstop more then give out some of grade A prospects. Grade A prospects don't really grow on trees. If Pena doesn't cut it then we look into it. Pena has got speed and his defense isn't so bad.
Hanley is now 25 going on 26 in December. Now, that's not old in the least but take in account that Jeter could be short stop for the next 2-3 years. Then he'd be about 27 maybe 28. Now, add to the fact that Hanley may wany a six year deal. That means we have him till he's 33 maybe 34 years old. As for the time being I say we go with Pena.
themgmt
06-23-09, 12:32 PM
It depends. I would much rather have Pena (One of our guys at Shortstop more then give out some of grade A prospects. Grade A prospects don't really grow on trees. If Pena doesn't cut it then we look into it. Pena has got speed and his defense isn't so bad.
Hanley is now 25 going on 26 in December. Now, that's not old in the least but take in account that Jeter could be short stop for the next 2-3 years. Then he'd be about 27 maybe 28. Now, add to the fact that Hanley may wany a six year deal. That means we have him till he's 33 maybe 34 years old. As for the time being I say we go with Pena.
I'm banging my head against a wall at virtually everything you just said. It was almost as if each line was more painful than the last.
NYYDragoon
06-23-09, 12:37 PM
I'm banging my head against a wall at virtually everything you just said. It was almost as if each line was more painful than the next.You've gotten a lot more cynical lately, haha.
themgmt
06-23-09, 02:07 PM
You've gotten a lot more cynical lately, haha.
My girlfriend left me and my wife is pregnant.
If only it was the other way around..
THEBOSS84
06-23-09, 02:09 PM
The last 4 posts in this thread had me LOL in the middle of my office.
That post in response to JDFan was taken right out of the teknetic reply handbook.
JeterRodriguezSheff
06-23-09, 02:40 PM
I'm banging my head against a wall at virtually everything you just said. It was almost as if each line was more painful than the last.
I dont know, he did say that he would rather have fricking Pena playing as everyday short stop than Hanley Ramirez, and that was the second line. I dont think it can get more painful than that.
Chains_Of_Andromeda
06-23-09, 02:56 PM
Anything to get Jeter off the team.
themgmt
06-23-09, 03:00 PM
I dont know, he did say that he would rather have fricking Pena playing as everyday short stop than Hanley Ramirez, and that was the second line. I dont think it can get more painful than that.
True, but for effect, I had to put it that way. That was the most blatant of transgressions, but you have to look deeper at the other lines to appreciate them, very subtle.
Grade A prospects don't really grow on trees.
That is just, beautiful. Especially since Hanley Ramirez type players grow on trees, and top prospects only come and go every year, in bunches.
89FoxBody
06-23-09, 03:10 PM
I would love to see him play in NY. Not a lot of SSs with 30+ HR power, and he has good speed on the bases. Whether he gets moved or not is a non-issue, I think we should go after him regardless.
CyYoung4Vazquez
06-23-09, 09:10 PM
I have an idea. How about drafting a decent SS and actually bring him up through the system. When was the last time this organization produced an All Star caliber position player.
NYYRules#1
06-23-09, 09:45 PM
I have an idea. How about drafting a decent SS and actually bring him up through the system. When was the last time this organization produced an All Star caliber position player.
Robinson Cano.
Our system isn't exactly stacked with potential good middle infielders right now. Perhaps if we sign Sano, but he's not expected to stick at SS to begin with. Top of the line prospects at SS are REALLY hard to come by for us considering they're often some of the most in-demand prospects in the draft (and thus go higher than #25-30). So to rely on our system to develop a decent SS isn't going to work, unless we can A.) Sign Sano and B.) He sticks at SS (with B being even more unlikely than A), or by some miracle draft a great SS out of college next year, there won't be anyone in our system ready to take over for Jeter when he has to move (not that Sano would be ready by 2012 or whenever either).
(That said, Hanley Ramirez is not the next Yankee SS. He isn't sticking there once he's out of Florida.)
JeterRodriguezSheff
06-23-09, 10:02 PM
I have an idea. How about drafting a decent SS and actually bring him up through the system. When was the last time this organization produced an All Star caliber position player.
Or we could sign the all star short stop, and then draft and develop another need. Using the free market when you have the Yankees resources is a good thing.
b_joseph
06-23-09, 10:03 PM
Eddie Nunez...
22 years old..AA...OPS over 850 since May 1st. There you have it.
Patience is a virtue.
JeterRodriguezSheff
06-23-09, 10:04 PM
Nunez isnt going to be the player Ramirez is.
b_joseph
06-23-09, 10:07 PM
Nunez isnt going to be the player Ramirez is.He doesnt have to be because Hanley wont be a Shortstop by the time he becomes available.
ericns1
06-23-09, 10:13 PM
Who knows by then we might have the first pick in the draft if they keep sinking this way.
JeterRodriguezSheff
06-23-09, 10:36 PM
Harper does sound appealing, a very very very microscopic part of me, hopes we finish with the worst record somehow.
27IsNext
06-23-09, 11:17 PM
He doesnt have to be because Hanley wont be a Shortstop by the time he becomes available.
Quoted for truth.
BRNXBMRS
06-24-09, 07:49 AM
Why dont the Yankees get every single AllStar player from every other team and watch the other team flourish while the yankees have a great fantasy team and miss the playoffs.
montrealer
06-24-09, 08:54 AM
Jetes ain`t going anywhere.......
JavyVazquezIsSick
06-24-09, 08:57 AM
He doesnt have to be because Hanley wont be a Shortstop by the time he becomes available.
You guys know Hanley has been pretty good at SS the last couple seasons, right?
goin for 27
06-24-09, 09:56 AM
You guys know Hanley has been pretty good at SS the last couple seasons, right?
No he hasn't. He has improved, but he should just now be considered "pretty good".
2007
26 errors, second-worst among shortstops
-19.2 Ultimate Zone rating, worst among shortstops
-37 Fielding Bible plus-minus, worst among shortstops
2008
22 errors, worst among shortstops
-0.7 UZR, 12th among shortstops
+3 Fielding Bible plus-minus, 15th among shortstops
2009 (as of about a week ago)
5 errors, tied for 11th among shortstops
1.3 UZR, 12th among shortstops
+3 Fielding Bible plus-minus, 12th among shortstops
If his 2009 progresses on the same plane, he will be a slightly above average (or pretty good SS)
That said, I agree with the point that I think you are trying to make. If he does solidify, his bat makes him a huge win at SS, (like ARod in the day) as you can get great production offensively, from a defensive position.
JavyVazquezIsSick
06-24-09, 10:16 AM
Yeah, he's made great strides on the defensive end. He's not this atrocious mess defensively people are making him out to be.
i'd rather have a short stop who could catch.
b_joseph
06-24-09, 11:00 AM
Yeah, he's made great strides on the defensive end. He's not this atrocious mess defensively people are making him out to be.I dont think he is awful. I just think his body is going to grow and he'll get worse with it. Kinda like how Miggy Cabrera just gradually became too big to move around at 3rd.
Would be awesome if he didnt though because it would be great to see him wear our uni.
JohnnyDamonfan
06-24-09, 11:06 AM
Yeah, he's made great strides on the defensive end. He's not this atrocious mess defensively people are making him out to be.
I don't think he is a mess. Not, in a long shot. I am worried about how much someone like that would cost. I think that Hanley might be one of the best short stops in the National League. I just don't want them to get fleeced in the process of getting him.
JavyVazquezIsSick
06-24-09, 11:10 AM
I dont think he is awful. I just think his body is going to grow and he'll get worse with it. Kinda like how Miggy Cabrera just gradually became too big to move around at 3rd.
Would be awesome if he didnt though because it would be great to see him wear our uni.
Cabrera just kinda got fat. He's always been terrible.
Hanley's frame is pretty different. Very wirey. Not to mention he's 25/26, don't think he body will be doing much more growing.
themgmt
06-24-09, 11:14 AM
I think that Hanley might be one of the best short stops in the National League.
How about "definitely the best shortstop in both leagues" and the closest thing to A-Rod since A-Rod was at the position.
He's basically Jeter with 10 HRs, 10 2Bs, 10 SB more every year. How sick is that?
JohnnyDamonfan
06-24-09, 11:18 AM
How about "definitely the best shortstop in both leagues" and the closest thing to A-Rod since A-Rod was at the position.
He's basically Jeter with 10 HRs, 10 2Bs, 10 SB more every year. How sick is that?
Really? I had a feeling Hanley was the best in the National League I guess I had never realised how good of a shortstop he really was.
JobaDynasty
06-24-09, 11:20 AM
I don't think he is a mess. Not, in a long shot. I am worried about how much someone like that would cost. I think that Hanley might be one of the best short stops in the National League. I just don't want them to get fleeced in the process of getting him.
Ummm, you do realize that you aren't a fan of the Pirates or the Brewers, don't you? You need to realize that (1) Hanley is going to break the bank, (2) the Red Sox have a bigger need at SS than we do, and (3) if we don't get Hanley the Red Sox have about a 60% chance of landing him.
SLURPEE
06-24-09, 11:25 AM
Imagine this lineup:
LF Crawford
CF Jackson
1B Tex
3B Hanley
C Montero
2B Cano
DH Arod
SS Nunez
RF Romine
Awesome! Ahh the joys of fantasy baseball. :drool:
JohnnyDamonfan
06-24-09, 11:38 AM
Ummm, you do realize that you aren't a fan of the Pirates or the Brewers, don't you? You need to realize that (1) Hanley is going to break the bank, (2) the Red Sox have a bigger need at SS than we do, and (3) if we don't get Hanley the Red Sox have about a 60% chance of landing him.
I really don't want Hanley to go to the Red Sox believe me. But, here's a question for you because I'm sure the Red SOx aren't the only team in need of a short stop. Do you think Hanley would go back so willingly to the Red Sox after being shipped from the Red Sox in the first place for Beckett? I know Hanley is an all star short and the best shortstop in the league. And I know that he's gonna break the bank. But, with other teams in need of a shortstop I really don't think there's a 60 percent chance of him going back to the team that sold him in the first place.
I guess, I just want to see where he is and what's happened to him in 2-3 years time. There have been times where somebody could be a great shortstop and then in about 2 or 3 years time their stuff could get so bad that they are being moved to a different position. So, unless his stuff takes a huge downfall by 2011-2012 I say we go for it.
JavyVazquezIsSick
06-24-09, 11:43 AM
Being that Hanley DOESN'T have a NTC, he wouldn't have a choice.
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