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Again, another example of how spoiled we are!
Rocketbooster
04-10-09, 06:22 PM
Mo is to laugh at, he's so good. He gave up a hit, though, which is disgraceful
He's an incredible pitcher and a tremendous ambassador for the sport. When he retires, the game will be losing something special.
THEBOSS84
04-10-09, 06:23 PM
The legend lives on.
roblyo33
04-10-09, 06:24 PM
Yawn..........that was easy.
sweet_lou_14
04-10-09, 06:26 PM
Can't say enough good things about this guy.
17 saves away from 500 if my math is correct ... I wonder if he has a chance to catch Hoffman, who sits at 554?
spyglass
04-10-09, 06:32 PM
He cannot possibly be human...
Mo is to laugh at, he's so good. He gave up a hit, though, which is disgraceful
He's an incredible pitcher and a tremendous ambassador for the sport. When he retires, the game will be losing something special.
Except the hit was clearly an error.
But man is he sick good. Absolutely freaking sick.
Yankees13
04-10-09, 10:19 PM
As good as ever. Ageless.
teknetic
04-11-09, 08:21 AM
I can see him pitching into his 40's and dominating. He didn't throw a pitch over 92 yesterday, don't think he has all spring/first appearance in Baltimore.
Rocketbooster
04-11-09, 11:00 AM
I can see him pitching into his 40's and dominating. He didn't throw a pitch over 92 yesterday, don't think he has all spring/first appearance in Baltimore.
Do you think that's a byproduct of the surgery or that it's just early and the velocity will come as soon as it starts to heat up?
Do you think that's a byproduct of the surgery or that it's just early and the velocity will come as soon as it starts to heat up?
i'm not sure rivera is ever going to be consistently over 92 mph at this point
Shanghai Bob
04-11-09, 11:27 AM
i'm not sure rivera is ever going to be consistently over 92 mph at this point
And with his impeccable control and patented delivery it won't be necessary.
And with his impeccable control and patented delivery it won't be necessary.
no, it won't.. he seems to be getting better and is becoming maddux like with his control
Watching him you think he can probably get up in the middle of the night from a sound sleep and throw an effortless inning. He just makes it look so easy.
cyhughes22
04-11-09, 01:03 PM
I actually think his velocity will pick up a bit more as well. He doesn't need it obviously but I feel comfortable saying that you'll see a lot of 93's and a few 94's as the year goes on. The man is quite simply a gift from god and I'm not anywhere near deeply religious.
Here's to another year of this being the most boring, mundane, repetitive thread in the forum. Ah, the wonder that is Mariano Rivera.
cyhughes22 - nice sig.
Nuke LaLoosh
04-11-09, 02:25 PM
cyhughes22 - nice sig.
QFT - awesome sig
and oh yeah, Mo rules!
cyhughes22
04-11-09, 03:10 PM
Haha thanks guys. Long may it continue lol.
for the past three seasons, i've seen mo hit 95 and 94mph. even if he wasn't, i just wouldn't be concerned.
(wouldn't mind having soria in a few years time to take over from mo.)
Donmartini
04-12-09, 08:02 AM
Pure class - He makes it look so easy its unreal.
b-ball-lunachick
04-12-09, 03:59 PM
for the past three seasons, i've seen mo hit 95 and 94mph. even if he wasn't, i just wouldn't be concerned.
(wouldn't mind having soria in a few years time to take over from mo.)
Soria reminds me so much of Mo..he was nasty today unfortunately..
Clete Boyer
04-12-09, 06:22 PM
Forgive my putting this question here, but I didn't know where to put it. What in God's name is a "hold"? I was watching YES before today's game & they had shots of two pitchers from some other team not playing the Yankees, both of whom were credited with a "hold" before their closer came in. Is a "hold" the new term for not blowing the lead? Is it now a legitimate stat? If so, who the heck came up with that one & why? Is the print on the reverse of baseball cards going to be smaller to include all these fershlugginer statistics, or will the cards themselves become wider?
spyglass
04-12-09, 10:31 PM
Forgive my putting this question here, but I didn't know where to put it. What in God's name is a "hold"? I was watching YES before today's game & they had shots of two pitchers from some other team not playing the Yankees, both of whom were credited with a "hold" before their closer came in. Is a "hold" the new term for not blowing the lead? Is it now a legitimate stat? If so, who the heck came up with that one & why? Is the print on the reverse of baseball cards going to be smaller to include all these fershlugginer statistics, or will the cards themselves become wider?
A "hold" is when a relief pitcher enters the game in a save situation, records at least one out, and exits the game (doesn't close it out) with his team still in the lead -- therefore "holding" the lead for his team so the closer can close the game out.
DaSh 1s
04-12-09, 10:47 PM
Soria today was absolutely bananas
Clete Boyer
04-13-09, 07:26 PM
Thank you, Spyglass.
Soria reminds me so much of Mo..he was nasty today unfortunately..
correct on both points.
Every time I see Mo make the heart of an offense like Tampa's look like little leaguers I'm thankful. Man, I hope this guy pitches til he's 50.
teknetic
04-15-09, 06:20 PM
8 pitches to get through the heart of their order, none registered over 89mph. Ridiculous.
Every time I see Mo make the heart of an offense like Tampa's look like little leaguers I'm thankful. Man, I hope this guy pitches til he's 50.
He showed tonight that he can dominate while only throwing 89 mph and not going full tilt. I assume he could maintain that until he's 45.
THEBOSS84
04-15-09, 06:21 PM
Boring....
DEADSOX
04-15-09, 06:21 PM
This guy just isn't normal. I hope he brings his velocity back up to 94-95 though.
Boring....
Just the way we love it.
I think he has the best control ive ever seen. He didn't always, he used to just have really good control and he'd blow people away anyway
But now every pitch is Exactly where he wants it. Molina doesn't move an inch. Its a clinic
Metroidman
04-15-09, 06:22 PM
You guys need to stop with his velocity stuff. Same thing was said the last few years when he started off not throwing all out. He'll get there
teknetic
04-15-09, 06:23 PM
He showed tonight that he can dominate while only throwing 89 mph and not going full tilt. I assume he could maintain that until he's 45.
I don't think he's even trying to get more on his cutter/fastball. It'll come as the season progresses, I have more faith in him now than I did three-four years ago, if that's even possible.
teknetic
04-15-09, 06:28 PM
You guys need to stop with his velocity stuff. Same thing was said the last few years when he started off not throwing all out. He'll get there
Who's complaining?
b-ball-lunachick
04-15-09, 08:29 PM
correct on both points.
wondering when you'll learn that i'm usually correct on all points. ;)
roblyo33
04-15-09, 09:31 PM
Mo was Mo, today................nuff said.
sweet_lou_14
04-15-09, 09:34 PM
Mo was Mo, today................nuff said.
So easy to take him for granted, it's not fair.
Rocketbooster
04-15-09, 09:36 PM
Every time I see Mo make the heart of an offense like Tampa's look like little leaguers I'm thankful. Man, I hope this guy pitches til he's 50.
He probably could - I'm not sure Mo even has a pulse. Nothing touches this guy, nothing worries him. Mo has it all in perspective - when he blows a save, he just knows that he did the best he could and he moves on. He's just a well-oiled machine - really remarkable. There's no explanation for him/
roblyo33
04-15-09, 09:38 PM
So easy to take him for granted, it's not fair.
Believe me, I don't take him for granted. He is such a master at his craft that it is pure joy to watch him and I truly appreciate it.
i know that hoffman has mre saves. i know that closer of yester-year threw more innings to get a svae, but mo is not only the best but i don't even consider it to be close. he is not a once in a life time player - he is a once ever player. we will not replace him but one day we will have another good closer.
i know that hoffman has mre saves. i know that closer of yester-year threw more innings to get a svae, but mo is not only the best but i don't even consider it to be close. he is not a once in a life time player - he is a once ever player. we will not replace him but one day we will have another good closer.Yep. And the Mo of yesteryear and the playoffs has had plenty of multi-inning saves.
ThunderFan
04-17-09, 03:24 PM
Mo has nothing today. Hopefully he can gut it out. 2 hits to 2 terrible players with one out.
hardrain
04-17-09, 03:28 PM
Mo has nothing today. Hopefully he can gut it out. 2 hits to 2 terrible players with one out.
ya. let's DFA him...can't wait till you're gone
ThunderFan
04-17-09, 03:29 PM
ya. let's DFA him...can't wait till you're goneYeah because thats EXACTLY what I said. To DFA him.
ThunderFan
04-17-09, 03:30 PM
Strike 3 is called a ball and ball 4 is called a strike. lol. Mo gets it done.
Strike 3 is called a ball and ball 4 is called a strike. lol. Mo gets it done.
There's a gamethread
smckdwn989
04-17-09, 03:32 PM
Strike 3 is called a ball and ball 4 is called a strike. lol. Mo gets it done.
is mo done too?
ThunderFan
04-17-09, 03:33 PM
is mo done too?Did I say he was? Please show me where I said he was or are you just making a post that is just intended to start an argument?
Rocketbooster
04-17-09, 03:33 PM
Mo gutted it out on a day he was without his best stuff - he's just the greatest.
RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees
04-17-09, 03:34 PM
There's a gamethread
Not for ThunderFan.
ThunderFan
04-17-09, 03:34 PM
Mo gutted it out on a day he was without his best stuff - he's just the greatest.Duck. You might get attacked. I mean you said the same thing I just did...
b-ball-lunachick
04-17-09, 03:38 PM
I wish I could have seen the first Enter Sandman played and Mo pitching at the new Stadium live. :)
ThunderFan
04-17-09, 03:38 PM
There's a gamethreadI don't post in threads with dumb rules like there are in game threads. I'm done over there.
Rocketbooster
04-17-09, 03:39 PM
Duck. You might get attacked. I mean you said the same thing I just did...
I know what you meant - people, IMO, are overreacting to your comment. I said something similar in the CC thread. From now on, don't every say that a pitcher has "nothing".......
That said, I'm sure Mo didn't have nothing, but obviously he didn't have his best....
roblyo33
04-17-09, 03:40 PM
I don't post in threads with dumb rules like there are in game threads. I'm done over there.
I hope that's a promise, not a threat.
We are truly blessed with a closer who, as a 39 year old on an off day, is still good enough to retire some pretty darn good hitters to record the Save.
sweet_lou_14
04-17-09, 04:01 PM
I don't post in threads with dumb rules like there are in game threads. I'm done over there.
Good thing there aren't any rules in threads like this one ...
Oh, wait.
ThunderFan
04-17-09, 04:03 PM
Good thing there aren't any rules in threads like this one ...
Oh, wait.I broke no rules in this thread and I don't intend to. Thanks for pointing that out.
What can I say good about Mo that hasn't already been said? :)
That's a great thing!
Metroidman
04-17-09, 05:18 PM
Velocity climbing up
Mo has nothing today. Hopefully he can gut it out. 2 hits to 2 terrible players with one out.And he was throwing to your boy Molina. I hope someone had the difibrilators on standby and a framed photo of Olivo nearby wherever you were.
teknetic
04-17-09, 06:21 PM
I don't post in threads with dumb rules like there are in game threads. I'm done over there.
Weren't you banned from GDT's? :lol:
NYYDragoon
04-17-09, 10:56 PM
We are truly blessed with a closer who, as a 39 year old on an off day, is still good enough to retire some pretty darn good hitters to record the Save.Indeed. What was it? Was his cutter not moving? That's what I assumed.
themgmt
04-19-09, 03:32 PM
How can a pitcher be this good?
THEBOSS84
04-19-09, 03:32 PM
Boring...
smckdwn989
04-19-09, 03:35 PM
for those that were worrying about mo's velocity. he was 92-93 today with the sick cutter movement.
teknetic
04-19-09, 03:36 PM
I'll be thoroughly pissed if this man doesn't have a plaque in Monument Park. I'll settle for a statue also.
themgmt
04-19-09, 03:38 PM
I'll be thoroughly pissed if this man doesn't have a plaque in Monument Park. I'll settle for a statue also.
He won't get a plaque. You have to be deceased to get in there. Mo is clearly not human, therefore incapable of dying. Shame really. Except for the whole eternal life thing.
jughead
04-19-09, 04:32 PM
Dominant... but how could it be? I thought Mariano was done:
http://www.nyyfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25752
http://www.nyyfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26133
Date? 2002
jnewmark
04-19-09, 04:35 PM
He won't get a plaque. You have to be deceased to get in there. Mo is clearly not human, therefore incapable of dying. Shame really. Except for the whole eternal life thing.
Yogi is dead?
themgmt
04-19-09, 04:45 PM
Yes, so are Reggie, Don, and Gator.
Saying retired doesn't work with my joke, and now you've ruined it. I hope you're happy.
jnewmark
04-19-09, 04:50 PM
Yes, so are Reggie, Don, and Gator.
Saying retired doesn't work with my joke, and now you've ruined it. I hope you're happy.
Sorry :o
themgmt
04-19-09, 04:51 PM
I don't know if I can ever forgive you. You're on my list.
Dominant... but how could it be? I thought Mariano was done:
http://www.nyyfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25752
http://www.nyyfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26133
Date? 2002
you don't even go back that far. two year's ago i recall reading crap about mo being so far past his best that they shouldn't consider giving him a contrcat useless he has prepared to picth in middle relief. what can i say? we yankee fans are stupid.
Just wait until his first blown save ;). Doesn't it seem like he usually has a couple each year in April?
Dominant... but how could it be? I thought Mariano was done:
http://www.nyyfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25752
http://www.nyyfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26133
Date? 2002
ThePost
04-21-09, 03:54 PM
Dominant... but how could it be? I thought Mariano was done:
http://www.nyyfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25752
http://www.nyyfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26133
Date? 2002
Haha it's hard to believe...overreaction on a message board!
Haha it's hard to believe...overreaction on a message board!
haha it's hard to believe...overreaction on a yankee message board!
And another save, ho hum. :D :D :D
Bostonsfavson
04-21-09, 09:02 PM
And another save, ho hum. :D :D :D
He allowed a hit, and barely struck anyone out. I'm not counting this one.
This Mariano cat is pretty good
He allowed a hit, and barely struck anyone out. I'm not counting this one.
Yea, it was quite a struggle. :D
Riveras definitly getting his work in so far this year. Its good because he needs to get in some work after not really pitching at all in the spring, they just need to be careful though. Theres a fine line between gettting work in and overwork. The offense will have to help him out there.
Rocketbooster
04-21-09, 09:08 PM
It's amazing the bar that Mo has set for himself, lol. If he gives up a hit, it's almost a surprise -then again, most of the hits he gives up are of the weak, pathetic variety.
I don't even know how to describe this man anymore as he simply beggars description. He's just too good, period.
roblyo33
04-21-09, 09:16 PM
Thanks, again, Mo.
machphantom
04-22-09, 01:19 AM
Just dominant on a level that is unheard of in this day & age. I don't know how we will ever replace him once he retires.
Mo's control is just ridiculous. He throws a cutter 2 inches outside to test the ump.
Doesn't get the call.
He throws it just an inch closer probably still outside and gets the call.
JavyVazquezIsSick
04-22-09, 08:22 AM
It was nice to see him hit 93 a couple times last night.
Mo's control is just ridiculous. He throws a cutter 2 inches outside to test the ump.
Doesn't get the call.
He throws it just an inch closer probably still outside and gets the call.
Yea, that pitch he threw right before he got the K for the 2nd out was so perfect, it should have been called a strike. It's as if Mariano was offended, and threw the next pitch 3 millimeters to the left and got the strike. Mariano is god.
Yea, that pitch he threw right before he got the K for the 2nd out was so perfect, it should have been called a strike. It's as if Mariano was offended, and threw the next pitch 3 millimeters to the left and got the strike. Mariano is god.
Honestly it was off... and last pitch was probably off by fraction of an inch too.
But when you got that kind of control you can test the strike zone all you want.
Honestly it was off... and last pitch was probably off by fraction of an inch too.
But when you got that kind of control you can test the strike zone all you want.
But when you got that kind of control you can tease the strike zone all you want too.
But when you got that kind of control you can tease the strike zone all you want too.
THat sounds kinky.
35Knucklecurve
04-22-09, 12:05 PM
Sometimes I think he just misses so he can get a chance to throw some more pitches. If I was that good, I'd hate to come off the mound. :D
CoyoteYankee
04-22-09, 12:11 PM
Just dominant on a level that is unheard of in this day & age. I don't know how we will ever replace him once he retires.
Mariano Rivera is just awesomeness personified.
We won't be able to replace that level of dominance for that long a stretch but we should be able to get or develop a servicable closer.
I feel bad for whoever takes over after Mo because no matter what he does he won't be able to live up to the "Mo standards" which are impossibly high.
Mariano Rivera is just awesomeness personified.
We won't be able to replace that level of dominance for that long a stretch but we should be able to get or develop a servicable closer.
I feel bad for whoever takes over after Mo because no matter what he does he won't be able to live up to the "Mo standards" which are impossibly high.
Yea, not fun shoes to fill, especially in NY ;) .
Mariano Rivera is just awesomeness personified.
We won't be able to replace that level of dominance for that long a stretch but we should be able to get or develop a servicable closer.
I feel bad for whoever takes over after Mo because no matter what he does he won't be able to live up to the "Mo standards" which are impossibly high.
if i were a free agent closer, i wouldn't even consider new york as an option the winter that mo retires.
Mantle'sMutt
04-23-09, 11:40 AM
Yea, that pitch he threw right before he got the K for the 2nd out was so perfect, it should have been called a strike. It's as if Mariano was offended, and threw the next pitch 3 millimeters to the left and got the strike. Mariano is god.
I heard CB Bucknor was home plate umpire. No disrespect to Mo, who is all-time great, but I wouldn't put any stock in whether a ball or strike call by Bucknor was the correct call. ;) That guy is the WORST, and the fact that he is STILL a major league umpire speaks volumes to the umpires union's lack of enforcable review and rating procedures. Sorry for the OT rant.
roblyo33
04-23-09, 12:02 PM
I heard CB Bucknor was home plate umpire. No disrespect to Mo, who is all-time great, but I wouldn't put any stock in whether a ball or strike call by Bucknor was the correct call. ;) That guy is the WORST, and the fact that he is STILL a major league umpire speaks volumes to the umpires union's lack of enforcable review and rating procedures. Sorry for the OT rant.
CB was bad but, he was better than the ump on Monday..........just saying.
mo doesn't care what the umpires call, he gets the job done - no excuses.
mo doesn't care what the umpires call, he gets the job done - no excuses.
I'm sure he cares, but he doesn't let it get him all flustered as many other pitchers do. Mussina was notorious for this; if he was getting squeezed by the ump, the game was over. Mo just accepts it and throws the next pitch. I'm in front of my television screaming at the umpire but not Mo. As you said, no excuses, just get the job done. He's amazing.
I'm sure he cares, but he doesn't let it get him all flustered as many other pitchers do. Mussina was notorious for this; if he was getting squeezed by the ump, the game was over. Mo just accepts it and throws the next pitch. I'm in front of my television screaming at the umpire but not Mo. As you said, no excuses, just get the job done. He's amazing.
Striking out Boston's clutch hitter in the 8th..... another example.
teknetic
04-24-09, 09:29 PM
He had strike 3 on Ellsbury.
machphantom
04-24-09, 09:30 PM
I just don't understand... how is it possible to be that sick?
He had strike 3 on Ellsbury.
And still came through.... umpires can't even phase him!!
I'm sure he cares, but he doesn't let it get him all flustered as many other pitchers do. Mussina was notorious for this; if he was getting squeezed by the ump, the game was over. Mo just accepts it and throws the next pitch. I'm in front of my television screaming at the umpire but not Mo. As you said, no excuses, just get the job done. He's amazing.
Best ever!!!!
The Greek
04-24-09, 09:49 PM
Ouch.
THEBOSS84
04-24-09, 09:49 PM
That hurt.
ThunderFan
04-24-09, 09:50 PM
Crap happens. This game is on the offense.
YESSIR!
04-24-09, 09:50 PM
what a heart sinking feeling
teknetic
04-24-09, 09:51 PM
There's nothing worse than seeing him blow a save. Nothing.
I'll put that one on Cano.
a yankeesfan
04-24-09, 09:57 PM
One wonders if this is the beginning of the end for Mariano. He's getting up there in years. He won't ever be as good as he once was.
We need to groom Joba for closer. He obviously proved today that he is ineffective as a starter.
Yankee Fan in Boston
04-24-09, 09:58 PM
One wonders if this is the beginning of the end for Mariano. He's getting up there in years. He won't ever be as good as he once was.
We need to groom Joba for closer. He obviously proved today that he is ineffective as a starter.
Is this great satire or lunacy?
One wonders if this is the beginning of the end for Mariano. He's getting up there in years. He won't ever be as good as he once was.
We need to groom Joba for closer. He obviously proved today that he is ineffective as a starter.
Hahah, very funny
The Greek
04-24-09, 10:11 PM
Is this great satire or lunacy?
Has to be satire.
One wonders if this is the beginning of the end for Mariano. He's getting up there in years. He won't ever be as good as he once was.
We need to groom Joba for closer. He obviously proved today that he is ineffective as a starter.
That is only if Joba can accept being the 8th inning guy for this year and next. I love Joba but don't know if his ego can take it.
VFBundy
04-24-09, 11:13 PM
That is only if Joba can accept being the 8th inning guy for this year and next. I love Joba but don't know if his ego can take it.Now that the Wanger looks like he might be on the shelf, this isn't an option anymore.
bomber999
04-24-09, 11:31 PM
I don't mean to commit heresy, and I love Mo, but it sure seems as though he has blown a lot of saves against Boston since '04.
JeterRodriguezSheff
04-24-09, 11:33 PM
I love how we go through the same thing every year. Everyone(myself included) will be praising the hell out of this guy for his longevity come mid season.
i love mo too (how can you not?), and i don't worry about the "blown saves v. boston" thing, because some of it is due to luck or quirk and so on. the greater concern is that he's not looked unhittable so far this year. part of this could be conditioning, and there's no doubt it's early. but he's almost 40, and coming off surgery. did anyone else notice that the radar gun had him at 88-90 mph?
ThePinStripes
04-24-09, 11:55 PM
I love how we go through the same thing every year. Everyone(myself included) will be praising the hell out of this guy for his longevity come mid season.
This guy gets it.
Rocketbooster
04-25-09, 12:01 AM
Mo struggles in April - the Yankees face the Sox often in April - the Sox are a good team. Mo doesn't fear any team, not the Sox or anyone else. The Sox are not in his head -he's human and he had a bad game. I guess if I was going to read the papers, I'd read about how he is done, but since I have no intention or reading the papers, I won't.
njyankeesfan
04-25-09, 12:07 AM
A fan just called into WFAN a little while ago and said Rivera was "overrated":eek:. Must be a Mets fan. Maybe I'll stay up long enough to hear the call that Mo should be traded:giveup: .
I think I recall that Michael Kay stated that this was Rivera's 12th blown save out of 90 appearances against Boston. The only reason his failures against Boston seem so remarkable is that his failures are generally so few.
jughead
04-25-09, 12:07 AM
He didn't even get roughed up, it was one bad pitch.
it wasn't "one bad pitch". he gave up four hits in 1 1/3 innings. i think mo is the best ever, but it seems to me he shouldn't be getting hit so hard and throwing 88-89 mph. i am really hoping he's not hit the wall.
Sometimes you just gotta give the hitters credit. Today was one of those nights.
ThunderFan
04-25-09, 12:19 AM
Sometimes you just gotta give the hitters credit. Today was one of those nights.I'd much rather continue savaging the yankee lineup for the disgrace they threw up on the field enough.
wow. i hope you're right. didn't seem that way to me. i am seeing rockets off the bat of people like asdrubal cabrera and ben francisco. i really hope you're right.
anubis7010
04-25-09, 12:27 AM
it wasn't "one bad pitch". he gave up four hits in 1 1/3 innings. i think mo is the best ever, but it seems to me he shouldn't be getting hit so hard and throwing 88-89 mph. i am really hoping he's not hit the wall.
he just had shoulder surgery and his only pitched about 10 inn. RELAX
ThePinStripes
04-25-09, 12:30 AM
A fan just called into WFAN a little while ago and said Rivera was "overrated":eek:. Must be a Mets fan. Maybe I'll stay up long enough to hear the call that Mo should be traded:giveup: .
I think I recall that Michael Kay stated that this was Rivera's 12th blown save out of 90 appearances against Boston. The only reason his failures against Boston seem so remarkable is that his failures are generally so few.
It also makes sense that they'd happen there with the most frequency since
a) they are a good team
b) they've seen him so often (especially since so many of these games are played like game 7 games and so many of them are close)
I mean... he's throwing the same pitch over and and over again. It might help the batter a bit when they've seen it 3000 times. It's incredible he's as good as he is against them.
peeps4iife
04-25-09, 12:50 AM
hard hit? you people are freakin insane... the only hard hit ball was the mistake to bay. everything else was a bloop. this was a freak game that will not be repeated. yanks win 2 of 3.
ThunderFan
04-25-09, 12:52 AM
hard hit? you people are freakin insane... the only hard hit ball was the mistake to bay. everything else was a bloop. this was a freak game that will not be repeated. yanks win 2 of 3.His mistakes were pitch selection. he threw youkilis the same pitch twice which he never should've and he gave bay a cookie right over the plate.
djhitman01
04-25-09, 01:37 AM
Rivera= owned... again..... by the red sox...... they are in his head....did anyone really think rivera was just gonna lock this game down? Bad thing is Boston fans love it when rivera comes in the game.....all my boston friends think rivera is the best closer of all time.... they also said they don't fear rivera at all anymore... he"s lost to much on his fastball.... you'LL see.... against bad teams he"ll get away with it... but against good teams.. he cant hide that 89 mph cutter no more..... remember this post
fellows
04-25-09, 01:52 AM
Gameday had him at 92. The YES gun is a piece of crap never to be trusted. It had Lester at 101 early in the game.
ThePinStripes
04-25-09, 01:55 AM
Rivera= owned... again..... by the red sox...... they are in his head....did anyone really think rivera was just gonna lock this game down? Bad thing is Boston fans love it when rivera comes in the game.....all my boston friends think rivera is the best closer of all time.... they also said they don't fear rivera at all anymore... he"s lost to much on his fastball.... you'LL see.... against bad teams he"ll get away with it... but against good teams.. he cant hide that 89 mph cutter no more..... remember this post
Even if there was a semblance of truth or logic to that post that couldn't be shot down with 1/2 a second of thought, I refuse to take someone seriously if they haven't mastered the art of basic punctuation, namely the period.
Gameday had him at 92. The YES gun is a piece of crap never to be trusted. It had Lester at 101 early in the game.
they clocked him at 103 once.
as for mo, he's fine.
burtons
04-25-09, 04:57 AM
"You give me any game where we have a lead and we have Mo on the mound," Johnny Damon said, "and I'll take it. I'll take it every time."
damn right...
Today, 4/25/09...how many teams do you think would get in-line to have Mariano Rivera as their closer?
Today, 4/25/09...how many fans of those teams would KILL to have him close out games for their team?
Every time Mo blows a save it's the same thing. Mo is fine. The only real mistake was Bay which was over the plate.
We lost that game not because of Mo but because we did NOT score with men on base. Especially the ninth, bases loaded, no outs, and they had a pitcher (Lopez?) who could not find the plate with his slider and had only one pich (FB). That was poor batting by Cano and Melky.
One of those Hs was a ball Jeter should have caught. He did not have a good read, not a good jump, looked easy, and make it more difficult than it was. I was thinking Gardner could have got it. Cheap hit. (I think it was 8th)
(and I don't like Marte)
Pissed,
Bucky
rpbri2886
04-25-09, 06:22 AM
I don't mean to commit heresy, and I love Mo, but it sure seems as though he has blown a lot of saves against Boston since '04.
Did you ever just think that perhaps that has to do with the amount of save opportunities he has against Boston? We play them 18 times a year, and often the wins are very close. It's all about sample size, bud.
I think the whole situation pretty much sucks; that's all I have to say about last night.
4-2 lead in the bottom of the 9th.
This is on Mo.
He blew it, plain and simple.
Next.
dabomb2045
04-25-09, 09:51 AM
4-2 lead in the bottom of the 9th.
This is on Mo.
He blew it, plain and simple.
Next.
Yeah he made a bad pitch to Bay...it happens. But this game should not have been 4-2--god forbid the offense actually scores runs when they have unbelievable chances like bases loaded 0 out.
Rocketbooster
04-25-09, 09:56 AM
Rivera= owned... again..... by the red sox...... they are in his head....did anyone really think rivera was just gonna lock this game down? Bad thing is Boston fans love it when rivera comes in the game.....all my boston friends think rivera is the best closer of all time.... they also said they don't fear rivera at all anymore... he"s lost to much on his fastball.... you'LL see.... against bad teams he"ll get away with it... but against good teams.. he cant hide that 89 mph cutter no more..... remember this post
Yeah, right.............and I don't give a rat's butt what Sox fans think. No team is ever in Mariano's head - too bad your friends don't remember the times when he's shut them down......which is most of the time.
OnTheBorder79
04-25-09, 10:19 AM
they clocked him at 103 once.
as for mo, he's fine.
I haven't read the Joba thread yet, but that's why Yes makes me so upset. The gun was juiced just so we would think Joba was throwing 97 or something and not the 92 he's sitting at now. But when you do that, Jon f'n Lester is throwing 103. Hah.
OnTheBorder79
04-25-09, 10:22 AM
Yeah, right.............and I don't give a rat's butt what Sox fans think. No team is ever in Mariano's head - too bad your friends don't remember the times when he's shut them down......which is most of the time.
I'd love to believe this, but I'm not sure. Seriously, in the last 5 years, it seems like be blows one of every three or four against the Sox. So, yeah, there are many times "he's shut them down." But a crappy closer would save the game 75% of the time. Don't get me wrong, I love Mo and he's the best and I'm not falling into the group of people here who think he's done because he's not even if he hasn't looked great yet. I'm just saying the Red Sox are in his head, or even if they're not, they should be because they have his number.
dabomb2045
04-25-09, 10:28 AM
I'd love to believe this, but I'm not sure. Seriously, in the last 5 years, it seems like be blows one of every three or four against the Sox. So, yeah, there are many times "he's shut them down." But a crappy closer would save the game 75% of the time. Don't get me wrong, I love Mo and he's the best and I'm not falling into the group of people here who think he's done because he's not even if he hasn't looked great yet. I'm just saying the Red Sox are in his head, or even if they're not, they should be because they have his number.
Pitchers who have a career ERA of .77 in the PLAYOFFS against the best of the best.....are never psyched out by anything.
frostdude1
04-25-09, 10:30 AM
argghhhh damn you 2004
24Rickey
04-25-09, 10:43 AM
Sports/fans are so sad these days.
A player ot team just can't be beat without an excuse.
Either a team is in their head, or your team choked and lost the other team really didn't deserve to win.
I think the Red Sox might be in the heads of some Yankee fans, but I am pretty sure a 4 time WS ring holder and best closer in the games history doesn't let a team or game get in his head in April.
He got beat.
Oh it all starts again...
Do a search here. People were calling for Tom Gordon to close against the Sox a few years back.
Mo's numbers have been creeping up against the Sox for a long time now. And there is no doubt that the Sox players lack the fear they used to have. You can see it in the body language. They know the game isn't over.
And I live in Boston and can confirm beyond the shadow of a doubt that Sox fans LOVE when Mo comes into the game these days. I wish I could show you the text messages I got last night when he came in. When I am out at a bar, the place cheers when he comes into a game.
As upset as I am about losing these types of games, in a way I am more upset that Mo is thought of in this way now.
Clemens831
04-25-09, 10:45 AM
4-2 lead in the bottom of the 9th.
This is on Mo.
He blew it, plain and simple.
Next.
I don't think we can say fairly say this is all on Mo "plain and simple" when the offense couldn't push a run across with bases loaded and nobody out in the half-inning before...
NYYDragoon
04-25-09, 10:46 AM
I'm just saying the Red Sox are in his head, or even if they're not, they should be because they have his number.It was just a bad pitch to Jason Bay, who's not even a long-time member of the Red Sox. C'mon folks; think about what you're saying here.
cyhughes22
04-25-09, 10:47 AM
The guy is coming off of shoulder surgery and his good cutter isn't there yet. He left a pitch over the plate, it happens to the best of them. Calm down. Bruney is what we should all be on the ledge about.
24Rickey
04-25-09, 10:55 AM
Oh it all starts again...
Mo's numbers have been creeping up against the Sox for a long time now.
.
Yup
the last 2 years
2-1 with 9 saves in 10 chances.
Boston fans are smart for wanting him in the game;)
On the flipside Paps is
0-3 with 6 saves in 7 chances. Are the Yankees in his head? Should Yankee fans be equally excited to see him in the game??
NYYDragoon
04-25-09, 11:02 AM
The guy is coming off of shoulder surgery and his good cutter isn't there yet. He left a pitch over the plate, it happens to the best of them. Calm down. Bruney is what we should all be on the ledge about.Can we really "blame" it on the surgery? He was lights out during ST.
24Rickey
04-25-09, 11:03 AM
Can we really "blame" it on the surgery? He was lights out during ST.
Lights out against some major leaguers, some minor leaguers who were getting ready for the season as well??
Gardner hit what 400 in ST?
What does ST mean?
Oh it all starts again...
Do a search here. People were calling for Tom Gordon to close against the Sox a few years back.
Mo's numbers have been creeping up against the Sox for a long time now. And there is no doubt that the Sox players lack the fear they used to have. You can see it in the body language. They know the game isn't over.
And I live in Boston and can confirm beyond the shadow of a doubt that Sox fans LOVE when Mo comes into the game these days. I wish I could show you the text messages I got last night when he came in. When I am out at a bar, the place cheers when he comes into a game.
As upset as I am about losing these types of games, in a way I am more upset that Mo is thought of in this way now.
you hang out in places consumed by stupid people?
njyankeesfan
04-25-09, 11:05 AM
It's possible that Rivera was a bit rattled by having to duck from being hit in the head by a flying baseball--we sometimes forget, the guy is human!
you hang out in places consumed by stupid people?
To avoid that here, I'd have to not leave the house ;)
Rocketbooster
04-25-09, 11:12 AM
I'd love to believe this, but I'm not sure. Seriously, in the last 5 years, it seems like be blows one of every three or four against the Sox. So, yeah, there are many times "he's shut them down." But a crappy closer would save the game 75% of the time. Don't get me wrong, I love Mo and he's the best and I'm not falling into the group of people here who think he's done because he's not even if he hasn't looked great yet. I'm just saying the Red Sox are in his head, or even if they're not, they should be because they have his number.
Ok, if that's how you feel. It's not reality..........I'm not going to argue this as it's completely ridiculous.
NYYDragoon
04-25-09, 11:13 AM
Lights out against some major leaguers, some minor leaguers who were getting ready for the season as well??
Gardner hit what 400 in ST?
What does ST mean?It means the most at the end of the spring when you see more starters.
cyhughes22
04-25-09, 11:15 AM
Can we really "blame" it on the surgery? He was lights out during ST.
Of course you can. Spring training is an entirely different animal. Not to mention that his velocity command an movement aren't the same yet. I'm not concerned about it just saying that you have to give a 39 year old coming off of shoulder surgery a bit of leeway even if he is basically god on the mound.
NYYDragoon
04-25-09, 11:19 AM
Of course you can. Spring training is an entirely different animal. Not to mention that his velocity command an movement aren't the same yet. I'm not concerned about it just saying that you have to give a 39 year old coming off of shoulder surgery a bit of leeway even if he is basically god on the mound.IMO the main difference is the mental effect of it all. His movement looked fine during the end of Spring (granted, I didn't watch all of his outings, but I'm speaking for those that I did see). But it is true though that his pitches have looked pretty flat in the season thus far. Needless to say, I'm not even close to jumping ship; bad pitches happen.
(If Lord Jacoby can strike out, Mariano Rivera can give up a HR.)
OnTheBorder79
04-25-09, 11:22 AM
Ok, if that's how you feel. It's not reality..........I'm not going to argue this as it's completely ridiculous.
Why? Do you think Mo's numbers against the Red Sox the last few years have been good? Do you not think he blows far more saves (relatively) against them? I'm just asking. It seems like that's reality to me. Even when he does save a game against them, it seems like they hit him hard, which they did last night besides the Bay homer. Four hits ...
cyhughes22
04-25-09, 11:29 AM
Why? Do you think Mo's numbers against the Red Sox the last few years have been good? Do you not think he blows far more saves (relatively) against them? I'm just asking. It seems like that's reality to me. Even when he does save a game against them, it seems like they hit him hard, which they did last night besides the Bay homer. Four hits ...
Has it maybe occurred to you that over that time frame the Red Sox have been the best team in baseball and had some pretty lethal lineups. Add that to the fact that they see Mariano a lot during the course of the year and know his stuff better than most teams. Maybe just maybe that might have a bit of an impact on the numbers....;)
NYYDragoon
04-25-09, 11:30 AM
Why? Do you think Mo's numbers against the Red Sox the last few years have been good? Do you not think he blows far more saves (relatively) against them? I'm just asking. It seems like that's reality to me. Even when he does save a game against them, it seems like they hit him hard, which they did last night besides the Bay homer. Four hits ...Career-wise, he has a higher ERA against LAA, BAL, and CLE than against the Sox. His WHIP is also higher vs. the Angels. I can't find blown save numbers, but I feel like we have a habit of remembering his mistakes against Boston more than any others.
Rocketbooster
04-25-09, 11:34 AM
Why? Do you think Mo's numbers against the Red Sox the last few years have been good? Do you not think he blows far more saves (relatively) against them? I'm just asking. It seems like that's reality to me. Even when he does save a game against them, it seems like they hit him hard, which they did last night besides the Bay homer. Four hits ...
and you don't remember all the saves he garners against them. You're reading way too much into this - even those times he does struggle against the Sox, you're assuming they are in his head. I have watched Mo for over a decade. No one, no team, no nothing gets in this guy's head; he is the most mentally tough athlete I've ever seen. If the Sox (or whomever) beat him on a particular day, so be it.
24Rickey
04-25-09, 12:33 PM
Why? Do you think Mo's numbers against the Red Sox the last few years have been good?...
The last 2 years 2-1 record 9 saves in 10 chances.
24Rickey
04-25-09, 12:39 PM
and you don't remember all the saves he garners against them. You're reading way too much into this.
Exactly!
Last year he was 2-0 and a perfect 3-3 in saves.
.148 BAA against with 1 run givin up in 7 innings with 8k's.
Were the Sox not in his head last year? Does this in the head stuff come and go? I am not sure how it works.
It also makes sense that they'd happen there with the most frequency since
a) they are a good team
b) they've seen him so often (especially since so many of these games are played like game 7 games and so many of them are close)
I mean... he's throwing the same pitch over and and over again. It might help the batter a bit when they've seen it 3000 times. It's incredible he's as good as he is against them.
Agree completely. I've really been thinking about this and I've decided that I'm SICK of the unbalanced schedule. I wish we could go back to the balanced schedule for a few seasons. First off, it's much fairer to have all the teams in the league see the same teams the same amount of times (rather than having the three best teams in baseball--all of whom just happen to reside in the AL East--beat up on each other 18+ times). From a financial perspective for MLB, it can only be a good thing for teams to get the Red Sox and Yankees into their cities more than just three games a season. I really miss playing the other AL teams more often. I wish we could play the Twins, White Sox, A's, etc. more often. I sometimes feel as if I'm only familiar with the AL East. :mad:
4-2 lead in the bottom of the 9th.
This is on Mo.
He blew it, plain and simple.
Next.
If the offense had done what it's supposed to do, Mo doesn't even need to be in the game. Yeah, Mo blew the save, but this one was really on the offense.
It's possible that Rivera was a bit rattled by having to duck from being hit in the head by a flying baseball--we sometimes forget, the guy is human!
Are you sure about that? ;)
and you don't remember all the saves he garners against them. You're reading way too much into this - even those times he does struggle against the Sox, you're assuming they are in his head. I have watched Mo for over a decade. No one, no team, no nothing gets in this guy's head; he is the most mentally tough athlete I've ever seen. If the Sox (or whomever) beat him on a particular day, so be it.
Thank you.
VFBundy
04-27-09, 09:29 AM
If this has already been covered, I apologize.
Before Friday, Mariano's last blown save against the Red Sox: April 20, 2007. That's over two whole years!
His last blown save before that?: April 6, 2005. That's another two years!
So, he's blown just TWO saves against the Red Sox in a period of OVER FOUR YEARS!
To sum it up...
Blown saves against the Sox April 6, 2005 and earlier: 12 (includes playoffs)
Blown saves against the Sox after April 6, 2005: 2
So yeah, he's blown a lot of saves against the Red Sox, but most of those were a long time ago.
I do not know if it has been posted, but Mo's career numbers vs the sox:
12-6, 2.91 ERA, 89G, 99 IP, 92 H, 92K, and 44 SAVES
Exactly!
Last year he was 2-0 and a perfect 3-3 in saves.
.148 BAA against with 1 run givin up in 7 innings with 8k's.
Were the Sox not in his head last year? Does this in the head stuff come and go? I am not sure how it works.
very funny
he threw a bad pitch. it was the offense problem not giving him more of a cushion
Yankee Tripper
04-27-09, 12:54 PM
very funny
he threw a bad pitch. it was the offense problem not giving him more of a cushion
My thoughts exactly.
I hate to harp of Jeter's defense but if catches that ellbury pop in the 8th, that's one less batter Mo has to face and Bay might not even come to bat in the 9th.
effdamets
04-27-09, 01:15 PM
My thoughts exactly.
I hate to harp of Jeter's defense but if catches that ellbury pop in the 8th, that's one less batter Mo has to face and Bay might not even come to bat in the 9th.
That's not fair.
If Girardi doesn't panic, Rivera pitches to two less batters.
Yankee Tripper
04-27-09, 01:26 PM
That's not fair.
If Girardi doesn't panic, Rivera pitches to two less batters.With that pen and no Bruney, I had no problem with Mo in that situation. In fact you might never get to Mo if doesn't come in in the 8th.
Mo has been so damn good in his career, it's easy to forget he's human.
effdamets
04-27-09, 01:39 PM
With that pen and no Bruney, I had no problem with Mo in that situation. In fact you might never get to Mo if doesn't come in in the 8th.
Mo has been so damn good in his career, it's easy to forget he's human.
I have a huge problem with Girardi claiming that he is not going to use Rivera before the 9th inning... and then he does...
I also have a huge issue removing a pitcher that has thrown 9 pitches, 7 for strikes, out of the game in the middle of an at bat to a .270 hitter in which he already has a strike on..... Not to mention the fact that if Ellsbury hits the ball to Rhode Island, the Yankees still have a 4-3 lead.
Awful, awful, awful in game management there.
roblyo33
04-27-09, 01:41 PM
I have a huge problem with Girardi claiming that he is not going to use Rivera before the 9th inning... and then he does...
I also have a huge issue removing a pitcher that has thrown 9 pitches, 7 for strikes, out of the game in the middle of an at bat to a .270 hitter in which he already has a strike on..... Not to mention the fact that if Ellsbury hits the ball to Rhode Island, the Yankees still have a 4-3 lead.
Awful, awful, awful in game management there.
Agree 1000%
ThunderFan
04-27-09, 01:45 PM
I have a huge problem with Girardi claiming that he is not going to use Rivera before the 9th inning... and then he does...
I also have a huge issue removing a pitcher that has thrown 9 pitches, 7 for strikes, out of the game in the middle of an at bat to a .270 hitter in which he already has a strike on..... Not to mention the fact that if Ellsbury hits the ball to Rhode Island, the Yankees still have a 4-3 lead.
Awful, awful, awful in game management there.This is being overdone. They didn't lose that game because he brought mo into the 8th inning. The homer was a mistake pitch to a good hitter. it happens. I'm MUCH more upset about Cano's AB in the 9th. Thats why they lost. And it's very clear becuase their pathetic AB's with RISP continued throughout the weekend against bad pitching. Even in the game they score 11 runs they left 7-8 more on the table with awful AB after awful AB.
effdamets
04-27-09, 01:52 PM
This is being overdone. They didn't lose that game because he brought mo into the 8th inning. The homer was a mistake pitch to a good hitter. it happens. I'm MUCH more upset about Cano's AB in the 9th. Thats why they lost. And it's very clear becuase their pathetic AB's with RISP continued throughout the weekend against bad pitching. Even in the game they score 11 runs they left 7-8 more on the table with awful AB after awful AB.
I want to try to be on board with that but it's difficult to do.
When you are ahead in a baseball game with 4 outs to go and you have a guy dealing, why are you taking him out right in the middle of his momentum? Especially when the last 3 outs are reserved for the king of saves? I mean WTF?
All the Yankees really needed to do was get one more out to get to Rivera in the 9th.
No matter what happened in the top of the inning - albeit a trajedy....
Breaking the momentum of the bottom of the 8th was the beginning of the end for the Yankees all weekend.
If then, Rivera blows it in the 9th, then I'm more on board with blaming the pathetic approach the hitters have when there is RISP....
still the closest thing to perfect i've ever seen.
eaganmafia
04-28-09, 04:22 PM
still the closest thing to perfect i've ever seen.
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll115/greenapple92_2008/scarlett-johanson.jpg
Maybe the second closest thing to prefection.
ICEBERG18
04-28-09, 05:03 PM
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll115/greenapple92_2008/scarlett-johanson.jpg
Maybe the second closest thing to prefection.
Jeter does have range when it comes to his lady friends.
Hellsing
04-28-09, 05:04 PM
Mo seems like he would be a good setup man for Melancon.
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll115/greenapple92_2008/scarlett-johanson.jpg
Maybe the second closest thing to prefection.
pretty but not perfect.
b-ball-lunachick
04-29-09, 11:42 AM
Maybe the second closest thing to prefection.
for real? not even close...blech.
roblyo33
04-29-09, 11:44 AM
for real? not even close...blech.
he's done better
b-ball-lunachick
04-29-09, 11:45 AM
he's done better
agreed..and she's a bitch on top of it all. double blech. ;)
Hellsing
04-29-09, 11:46 AM
pretty but not perfect.
No one is perfect, but if you have ever laid eyes on Scarlett in person, you'd think if anyone WAS perfect, she would be it.
I have seen her a few times in LA at the IVY and CUT and I can assure you that she is gorgeous.
Hellsing
04-29-09, 11:46 AM
agreed..and she's a bitch on top of it all. double blech. ;)
Being a bitch has nothing to do with the way she looks...
Or how MO pitches!
roblyo33
04-29-09, 11:47 AM
Being a bitch has nothing to do with the way she looks...
Or how MO pitches!
MO's pitches can be pretty "bitchy", at times. ;)
b-ball-lunachick
04-29-09, 11:48 AM
Being a bitch has nothing to do with the way she looks...
Or how MO pitches!
the point was someone said she was close to perfect...not even close and being a bitch can make someone uglier, and thus less perfect. Unless that kind of thing turns you on, then have at it. ;)
as for how it relates to Mo's pitching, I have no idea..no woman (or guy) for looks should be compared to that...
effdamets
04-29-09, 11:49 AM
Being a bitch has nothing to do with the way she looks...
Or how MO pitches!
She looks great until she opens her mouth... her voice is deeper than Wolfman Jack's!
b-ball-lunachick
04-29-09, 11:49 AM
MO's pitches can be pretty "bitchy", at times. ;)
Beep, Beep, Beep...back away from the computer there r33..that one was bad. ;) :D
roblyo33
04-29-09, 11:50 AM
Beep, Beep, Beep...back away from the computer there r33..that one was bad. ;) :D
sorry about that :(
b-ball-lunachick
04-29-09, 11:52 AM
sorry about that :(
aww, I'm just joking with you! Don't be sad...you'll make me sad! :(
We'll just take it back to Mo..he's as close to perfection on a baseball diamond then I have seen in my lifetime. :)
TheMick@ND
04-29-09, 09:18 PM
ESPN was saying it looked like there was something wrong with Mo's leg tonight because he wasn't pushing off and was only throwing 89. Uhh he had like 1 minute to warm up and he just grooved a fastball because we had a 5 run lead and just wanted to end the game. I know it's my fault for watching ESPN but still.
Rocketbooster
04-29-09, 09:30 PM
ESPN was saying it looked like there was something wrong with Mo's leg tonight because he wasn't pushing off and was only throwing 89. Uhh he had like 1 minute to warm up and he just grooved a fastball because we had a 5 run lead and just wanted to end the game. I know it's my fault for watching ESPN but still.
Whose fault is it that he wasn't fully warmed up? That's inxcusable.
We go through this every year - FSPN (F for a bad word and also for FAIL) just wants to stir up a hornet's nest with Yankee fans. Mo doesn't get a lot of work in in ST and he struggles in April......then he settles down. I seriously doubt he was throwing 89 - I heard others say ESPN gun read 92 or 93 and BBTN was using a messed up YES gun
Whose fault is it that he wasn't fully warmed up? That's inxcusable.
We go through this every year - FSPN (F for a bad word and also for FAIL) just wants to stir up a hornet's nest with Yankee fans. Mo doesn't get a lot of work in in ST and he struggles in April......then he settles down. I seriously doubt he was throwing 89 - I heard others say ESPN gun read 92 or 93 and BBTN was using a messed up YES gun
I agree with your statement about April, but it looked obvious that Mo wasn't ready tonight. I was watching ESPN & according to them his pitches were 87-88-89- and topped out at 90.
ThePinStripes
04-29-09, 09:37 PM
He's not good enough to close. Move him to the rotation!!!!!!!!!!
He's not good enough to close. Move him to the rotation!!!!!!!!!!
Switch him with Joba.
I think Mo was just thinking to himself that hes closing in on 500 saves might as well get a cheapie tonight.
NYYDragoon
04-29-09, 10:04 PM
I think Mo was just thinking to himself that hes closing in on 500 saves might as well get a cheapie tonight.You can't create your own save situation.
Rocketbooster
04-29-09, 10:05 PM
I agree with your statement about April, but it looked obvious that Mo wasn't ready tonight. I was watching ESPN & according to them his pitches were 87-88-89- and topped out at 90.
I read, though, that they were using (even for Joba) YES' gun (which is messed up) and not ESPN's gun, which was 2-3 MPH faster and seems more accurate.........
You can't create your own save situation.
Oh.... well then he just hung a cutter to Granderson. You learn something new everyday.
TheMick@ND
04-29-09, 10:10 PM
Whose fault is it that he wasn't fully warmed up? That's inxcusable.
I'm not sure what you mean here. He's supposed to be ready to go into a game that's 8-1 in the 9th inning? That escalated pretty quickly and I don't think there's any way he had his normal warm up time.
CT-Yankee
04-29-09, 10:25 PM
I agree he probably wasn't ready. Mentally and physically. Mo goes through long preparations. One out in the 9th with a 7 run lead, he's probably checked out for the night...and I can't fault him there.
SuperMariano42
04-29-09, 10:25 PM
I think the tigers must be in his head!
roblyo33
04-29-09, 10:26 PM
He doesn't have a closer's mentality. Put him in the rotation.
CT-Yankee
04-29-09, 10:28 PM
He doesn't have a closer's mentality. Put him in the rotation.
Yeah, that must be it!! Make him prove himself or something. We can't just have anyone closing games :)
I read, though, that they were using (even for Joba) YES' gun (which is messed up) and not ESPN's gun, which was 2-3 MPH faster and seems more accurate.........
Actually, I used the MLB pitch F/X numbers for Joba and they were spot on with ESPN's. That's why I relied on them the rest of the way.
1936-1939JoeNLou
04-30-09, 12:33 AM
Last year he was 93-95 mph.....
This year he's been 88-91 mph. But it's still early and he did have surgery so I'm not worried about him.
35Knucklecurve
04-30-09, 07:52 AM
ESPN was saying it looked like there was something wrong with Mo's leg tonight because he wasn't pushing off and was only throwing 89. Uhh he had like 1 minute to warm up and he just grooved a fastball because we had a 5 run lead and just wanted to end the game. I know it's my fault for watching ESPN but still.
I had to watch it on ESPN and Sutcliffe did say that he didn't think Mo had nearly enough time to warm-up. It was a very cool night, so he may have had some stiffness. I don't think he actually tweaked any muscles. They clearly weren't expecting to have to use him with that kind of lead. Mo almost looked like he had a slight smile after giving up the HR, as if he was thinking, "I saw that one coming."
I kept a close eye on ESPN's radar and it did seem to appear more accurate, if YES had both Joba and Mo throwing slower than it looked. That's about the only thing on ESPN that's accurate.
I had to watch it on ESPN and Sutcliffe did say that he didn't think Mo had nearly enough time to warm-up. It was a very cool night, so he may have had some stiffness. I don't think he actually tweaked any muscles. They clearly weren't expecting to have to use him with that kind of lead. Mo almost looked like he had a slight smile after giving up the HR, as if he was thinking, "I saw that one coming."
I thought it was more a "That's what Albaladejo gets for making me get up." Those are your runs.
heyabbott
04-30-09, 09:15 AM
I'm not sure what you mean here. He's supposed to be ready to go into a game that's 8-1 in the 9th inning? That escalated pretty quickly and I don't think there's any way he had his normal warm up time.
I think it was foolish to get Mo up at all. It was 8-3 when he came in with 2 outs, that's a waste of Mo. Throw Melancon, it's for 1 out and let Mo rest. Too much Torreitis from Girardi.
PittsburghYankeeFan
04-30-09, 09:23 AM
Let Mo get it out of his system now in April. This always happens every year, with the same discussion.
I like Melancon, and can't wait to see him get more time...
freebubba
04-30-09, 09:25 AM
yeah, mo clearly wasn't loose. I think that pitch Granderson hit was 88 with 0 movement.
StatenIslandYankee
04-30-09, 10:04 AM
What's MO's top velocity so far this year?
YESSIR!
04-30-09, 09:01 PM
Mo's velocity has been pretty iffy. I'm wary...
pinstripesphanatic
04-30-09, 09:02 PM
Mo's velocity has been pretty iffy. I'm wary...
as am i......
smckdwn989
04-30-09, 09:03 PM
cutter still has some sick movement and he's a control artist
hellonewman
04-30-09, 09:04 PM
Looked OK to me ...:2thumbs:
Rocketbooster
04-30-09, 09:04 PM
Mo looked good - he just has to get through his usual April dead arm (or whatever) period. Every April - it's as sure as death and taxes.
JohnnyEllis
04-30-09, 09:19 PM
Started totally nailing pitches at the end down and away to the righties, Napoli and Kendrick. Unhittable.
Rocketbooster
04-30-09, 09:26 PM
A few people have mentioned on another board that Mo was grimacing after a pitch and Buster Olney noticed it as well.........did anyone else notice this? I missed it........
roblyo33
04-30-09, 10:02 PM
A few people have mentioned on another board that Mo was grimacing after a pitch and Buster Olney noticed it as well.........did anyone else notice this? I missed it........
I think he grimaced because of the location. He just missed his spot. He didn't seem hurt at all.
Rocketbooster
04-30-09, 10:28 PM
I think he grimaced because of the location. He just missed his spot. He didn't seem hurt at all.
Thanks! I'm glad to hear it- that's all we need if Mo goes down
JeterForPresident
04-30-09, 10:30 PM
A few people have mentioned on another board that Mo was grimacing after a pitch and Buster Olney noticed it as well.........did anyone else notice this? I missed it........
Last night on ESPN it was his foot, and tonight on ESPN they are talking about how he grimaced after a pitch.
Sounds like some wishful thinking by the folks at ESPN.
ThePinStripes
05-01-09, 04:11 AM
I think it was foolish to get Mo up at all. It was 8-3 when he came in with 2 outs, that's a waste of Mo. Throw Melancon, it's for 1 out and let Mo rest. Too much Torreitis from Girardi.
Or, you know... Melancon tonight?
ThePinStripes
05-01-09, 04:12 AM
Mo looked good - he just has to get through his usual April dead arm (or whatever) period. Every April - it's as sure as death and taxes.
Death? You die every April? I'm with you regarding Mo and taxes in April...but death? I sure hope not :o
Shanghai Bob
05-01-09, 04:15 AM
Or, you know... Melancon tonight?
I actually thought he'd bring in Melancon last night. I guess Melancon hasn't climbed the depth chart quite that high yet.
A Coke/Melancon 8th inning tandem until Bruney's returns would work fine for me. And after that the A team could be
7th: Malancon/Coke (depending on pitching match up)
8th: Bruney
9th: Mo
ThePinStripes
05-01-09, 04:35 AM
It was a freaking 3 run lead....
Death? You die every April? I'm with you regarding Mo and taxes in April...but death? I sure hope not :o
woooosh
Rocketbooster
05-01-09, 07:21 AM
Death? You die every April? I'm with you regarding Mo and taxes in April...but death? I sure hope not :o
I also walk on water, lol
35Knucklecurve
05-01-09, 07:29 AM
Last night on ESPN it was his foot, and tonight on ESPN they are talking about how he grimaced after a pitch.
Sounds like some wishful thinking by the folks at ESPN.
It's a big deal when Mo isn't lights out. That's one of the few negative things about being the best closer in history. However, I agree that ESPN seems to get a kick out of showing a Yankee meltdown (or in this case, a near meltdown). Beckett got lit up last night and they barely mentioned it or the fact that Boston got their Sox handed to them 13-0.
the YES gun had him at 88mph but i don't trust that at all.
sprucemoose
05-01-09, 09:03 AM
the YES gun had him at 88mph but i don't trust that at all.
Yeah, the gun was all over the place last night. Is it possible that rain/mist can affect the radar?
leiter said scoreboard said 90. he purposely or flaherty sorry not leiter... mentioned it, because on screen it said 87
what did gameday have him at?
justtxyank
05-01-09, 09:58 AM
the YES gun had him at 88mph but i don't trust that at all.
The Yes gun had AJ throwing some fastballs at like 84 mph. That gun was WAY out of whack last night.
The Yes gun had AJ throwing some fastballs at like 84 mph. That gun was WAY out of whack last night.
it has been all season.
effdamets
05-01-09, 11:27 AM
Mo looked good - he just has to get through his usual April dead arm (or whatever) period. Every April - it's as sure as death and taxes.
I didn't realize death was a sure thing in April.....
teknetic
05-06-09, 09:41 PM
Picasso.
6 days without pitching and..nada.
TheBamTino24
05-06-09, 09:42 PM
Picasso.
6 days without pitching and..nada.
Money.
It was nice to see Rivera again, LOL.
the YES gun had AJ at 95 and coke at 94 but it had mo at 88 again.
SuperMariano42
05-07-09, 09:58 AM
Actually from what i saw Yes had him a mph or 2 faster than gameday last night. Saw 91 92 on YES and 90-91 on gameday.
Who cares what his velocity is if hes going to pitch like he did last night.
Perhaps with less velocity he has more control or more cut now. His K to BB ratio is off the charts so far this season.
he has given up more hits then usual but I have a feeling those will come down as well. Besides the two HR's everything else has been singles I believe.
Don Wrigley
05-07-09, 10:07 AM
Perhaps with less velocity he has more control or more cut now. His K to BB ratio is off the charts so far this season.
His K to BB ratio is the illustrious "undefined" :P
Mantle'sMutt
05-07-09, 10:26 AM
Poor, Mo. He was extra pumped for the Yankees to win it in the bottom of the ninth. When they didn't, up the tunnel he went, probably, and understandably figuring that the pen would proceed to give it up.
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