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teknetic
05-07-09, 09:23 PM
This is the worst season ever.
Heh, if this team is going to crash out an lose 90 games, everyone is going to have to do their part
YankeesAce4Life
05-07-09, 09:24 PM
This is the worst season ever.
In play, homerun(s).
:lol::(
YESSIR!
05-07-09, 09:24 PM
I think it's safe to say we might have a problem on our hands here boys. All these HRs are frightening. And his velocity is simply not there.
spyglass
05-07-09, 09:25 PM
Heh, if this team is going to crash out an lose 90 games, everyone is going to have to do their part
Maybe we can get a top 5 draft pick?
hellonewman
05-07-09, 09:26 PM
This is the worst season ever.Seriously, at least in 1989-92 we knew we were supposed to suck.
JeterForPresident
05-07-09, 09:26 PM
I think it's safe to say we might have a problem on our hands here boys. All these HRs are frightening. And his velocity is simply not there.
I simply can't worry about Mo yet. I think he is just a little bit behind where he needs to be right now. I'd give him some time to work out the kinks and build up the arm strength.
YESSIR!
05-07-09, 09:28 PM
I simply can't worry about Mo yet. I think he is just a little bit behind where he needs to be right now. I'd give him some time to work out the kinks and build up the arm strength.
He's 89 and 90. Maybe he just can't be used 2 days in a row anymore or something. His cutter was flat and just plain not good tonight.
YankeesAce4Life
05-07-09, 09:29 PM
He's 89 and 90. Maybe he just can't be used 2 days in a row anymore or something. His cutter was flat and just plain not good tonight.
His cutter has looked flat most of the season already...it either looks great like how it usually looks or it's just been down the middle with no real movement. It's really weird. Maybe his arm isn't fully healed yet.
SLURPEE
05-07-09, 09:30 PM
He's 39 years old. You cannot expect his velocity to be like it once was.
40 y/o pitchers don't throw mid nineties if they are cough Clemens cough they're likely using PEDs.
I Heart Jeter
05-07-09, 09:32 PM
This may be the beginning of the end
ICEBERG18
05-07-09, 09:32 PM
I'm not shocked, stunned or amazed anymore that he's giving it up.
YESSIR!
05-07-09, 09:34 PM
He's 39 years old. You cannot expect his velocity to be like it once was.
40 y/o pitchers don't throw mid nineties if they are cough Clemens cough they're likely using PEDs.
Uhh, I think the Yankees sure expected it to be after signing him to a very lucrative 3 year deal. The shoulder surgery surely had something to do with it, but that's not exactly a good thing. Bottom line: Mo's been very hittable. When hitters make contact with his cutter they are squaring it up, and that's not something that's been common in the past.
hellonewman
05-07-09, 09:34 PM
He's been working on a changeup in spring training for several years. Might not be a terrible time to break it out.
thesportshero
05-07-09, 09:35 PM
This really may be it for him. He's never looked so awful, velocity is way down, they are hitting bombs off him.
He's given up 4 HRs in 11 innings, he normally gives up 4 HR or less in a season.
He's a 40 year old coming off shoulder surgery, I can't say I'm shocked. Just disappointed and very sad that his decline may have come so quickly and at the worst time.
smckdwn989
05-07-09, 09:35 PM
he's caught a bug from the other relievers... it's all their fault.
Yankee Fan in Boston
05-07-09, 09:36 PM
This really may be it for him. He's never looked so awful, velocity is way down, they are hitting bombs off him.
He's given up 4 HRs in 11 innings, he normally gives up 4 HR or less in a season.
He's a 40 year old coming off shoulder surgery, I can't say I'm shocked. Just disappointed and very sad that his decline may have come so quickly and at the worst time.
I am not ready to go there. Recovery could take a little time -- it may not have been realistic to expect him to be himself. It's just a bad time for him to be slumping
PJMPirate
05-07-09, 09:38 PM
Kay just announced that that was the first time ever Mo has given up back-to-back HRs.
YESSIR!
05-07-09, 09:40 PM
I am not ready to go there. Recovery could take a little time -- it may not have been realistic to expect him to be himself. It's just a bad time for him to be slumping
He had minor surgery immediately after the season. He's had tons of time to rehab. Slumping is one thing, but already 28 games into the season, Mo has been historically bad, for him. It's extremely troubling.
yankeefan122
05-07-09, 09:43 PM
Mo isn't finished. This was the first time he's EVER given up back to back homers in his career.
Frankly, he's the least of our problems. He's been "bad" by his standards with a 3.97 era.
A bigger problem is that he doesn't pitch on a regular basis. Why is this? Simple. We're usually losing due to bad starting pitching and lousy middle relief.
Wednesday night was his 1st time pitching in a week and it had been a few days since he was used before then.
The starting pitching and the middle relief needs to get the job done.
Quick question for the Mo is done people. Explain to me why he hasn't walked a guy all season and has an era under 4?
I don't think Mo is done...but ever year since like 02, people have said Mo is done when he has a bad stretch.
teknetic
05-07-09, 09:43 PM
I'd prefer if he doesn't go 6 days without pitching, again. Giving up a lot of hits, but still.
Flaherty saying tonight bothers him more than the other games in which Mo gave up home runs, because he had plenty of time to get loose.
And this is the first time he has EVER given up back to back home runs. Ever, in his career.
ICEBERG18
05-07-09, 09:50 PM
Can they stop with the he's so automatic nonsense on the Post Game show, please.
yankeefan122
05-07-09, 09:50 PM
He had minor surgery immediately after the season. He's had tons of time to rehab. Slumping is one thing, but already 28 games into the season, Mo has been historically bad, for him. It's extremely troubling.
You mean like in 2007 when he was "done"? He was lousy for the 1st month or so that year.
Right now the whole team is awful. It's not just Rivera. CC hasn't been good. Tex has been awful. AJ has an era over 5. Andy has struggled lately. The team is a mess.
I definitely wouldn't call anyone done or claim the team done this early, but right now the Yankees are awful.
People act like Mo has an 8 era with 5 blown saves. He's got 1 blown save and a 3.97 era. Rough start, but he'll get better.
Mo will get things fixed. I'm not worried about him.
I'm not going to give up on Mo, but his lower velocity is a major concern.
ICEBERG18
05-07-09, 09:53 PM
88-90 mph with off-season surgery.
That's the concern.
88-90 mph with off-season surgery.
That's the concern.
82% out of zone contact compared to 60% for his career. They're hitting the cutter.
teknetic
05-07-09, 09:58 PM
Papelbon: 12IP/12H/7BB/13K/2ER/1HR
Mo: 11IP/15H/0BB/17K/5ER/4HR
Both are getting hit, Mo's just happen to be of the longball variety. I'm pissed, but this whole "I knew he was gonna struggle!" stuff is a bit silly. He's still shown the ability to dominate without throwing in the mid 90's, **** happens.
I'd be more concerned about this damn bandbox we're playing in.
yankeefan122
05-07-09, 09:58 PM
88-90 mph with off-season surgery.
That's the concern.
It's funny how Mo was so great last night. K's the side and everyone says why didn't he pitch the 10th. 2.51 era... he was doing well outside the 1 pitch vs Bay.
Now he has 1 bad outing and all of a sudden he's a major concern lol.
Rivera is coming back from surgery. Didn't throw much in Spring training and hasn't been used much this season. More than anything else, he just had a bad night tonight. It happens. I'd still take him on a bad night over the rest of the garbage in our pen.
.439 BaBip prior to tonight and 28.6% LD's. He's getting hit like never before in his career.
YESSIR!
05-07-09, 09:59 PM
You mean like in 2007 when he was "done"? He was lousy for the 1st month or so that year.
I didn't say he was "done." There is undeniably a cause for concern, though. He hasn't walked a guy, as you say, because his control isn't an issue. The guy can obviously still locate. The problem is that he has pedestrian velocity and his cutter is flat. People are squaring up on him way too easily. That's troublesome no matter which way you slice it.
goin for 27
05-07-09, 10:00 PM
88-90 mph with off-season surgery.
That's the concern.
Yep. 4 dingers already. He has only had more than 4 dingers twice in his career as a reliever. Once in 2001, and once in 1997. Both of those years he gave up 5. Worrisome.
In fairness, the pitch to Crawford was a pretty good one he just hooked it out to the short porch. Longoria seems to be another in a long line of yankee killers.
RogerNatural
05-07-09, 10:01 PM
A less-than-usual-Mo is better than mostly everybody else.
DaSh 1s
05-07-09, 10:02 PM
A less-than-usual-Mo is better than mostly everybody else.
Hmm, no.
yankeefan122
05-07-09, 10:02 PM
.439 BaBip prior to tonight and 28.6% LD's. He's getting hit like never before in his career.
You are also judging by an incredibly small sample. He hasn't been used on a consistent basis either. So it's not really fair to make too much a judgment.
ThePinStripes
05-07-09, 10:05 PM
That was weird.
Rocketbooster
05-07-09, 10:05 PM
I just got back from the game - I was in the car when my mother told me the Yankees had tied it up. Absolutely crushing defeat - worse than in Boston.
I read elsewhere that on the post-game show Suzyn said Mo was having arm problems related to the surgery? Maybe he should be DL'd and sent to Tampa to rehab..........I want to cry right now
yankeefan122
05-07-09, 10:05 PM
I didn't say he was "done." There is undeniably a cause for concern, though. He hasn't walked a guy, as you say, because his control isn't an issue. The guy can obviously still locate. The problem is that he has pedestrian velocity and his cutter is flat. People are squaring up on him way too easily. That's troublesome no matter which way you slice it.
I still think it's too early to get really worried. It's just that the team has been so bad that everything is magnified.
On the YES postgame, Girardi admits Mo's velocity isn't what it has been, also that he has just come off a period when his shoulder was a little "tired." He didn't pitch for five days, but he felt all right. Girardi blames all this on the surgery, which he's still recovering from.
But as Bob Lorenz points out ... he was brilliant in Spring Training.
On the YES postgame, Girardi admits Mo's velocity isn't what it has been, also that he has just come off a period when his shoulder was a little "tired." He didn't pitch for five days, but he felt all right. Girardi blames all this on the surgery, which he's still recovering from.
But as Bob Lorenz points out ... he was brilliant in Spring Training.
Yea, and Mark Teixeira was a 400 hitter in spring.
On the YES postgame, Girardi admits Mo's velocity isn't what it has been, also that he has just come off a period when his shoulder was a little "tired." He didn't pitch for five days, but he felt all right. Girardi blames all this on the surgery, which he's still recovering from.
But as Bob Lorenz points out ... he was brilliant in Spring Training.
Post game trying to make more out of Mo then what there is i think.The guy K'ed 3 in a row last night and felt good tonight and they are being careful with him.
bmxstreetrider86
05-07-09, 10:10 PM
coming into the night, rivera was giving up HR's on a staggering 38.8 (though it will be even higher now) of his flyballs, compared to a league average around 11 and a personal high of 9.7 in the past 4 years.
nothing to see here people
You are also judging by an incredibly small sample. He hasn't been used on a consistent basis either. So it's not really fair to make too much a judgment.
I'm only expressing concern and certainly not giving up on Mo. He was also very bad in April of 2007 and actually lost a game on May 7 when he gave up a 9th inning HR to Beltre.
DaSh 1s
05-07-09, 10:11 PM
This really may be it for him. He's never looked so awful, velocity is way down, they are hitting bombs off him.
He's given up 4 HRs in 11 innings, he normally gives up 4 HR or less in a season.
He's a 40 year old coming off shoulder surgery, I can't say I'm shocked. Just disappointed and very sad that his decline may have come so quickly and at the worst time.
:lol:
NYYDragoon
05-07-09, 10:12 PM
Yea, and Mark Teixeira was a 400 hitter in spring.A good cutter's a good cutter regardless of the month.
DaSh 1s
05-07-09, 10:14 PM
I'm only expressing concern and certainly not giving up on Mo. He was also very bad in April of 2007 and actually lost a game on May 7 when he gave up a 9th inning HR to Beltre.
Didn't he give up a early homer to Scutaro (OAK) that year as well?
NYYDragoon
05-07-09, 10:15 PM
Didn't he give up a early homer to Scutaro (OAK) that year as well?Early May in Oakland. Yup.
teknetic
05-07-09, 10:15 PM
I'm only expressing concern and certainly not giving up on Mo. He was also very bad in April of 2007 and actually lost a game on May 7 when he gave up a 9th inning HR to Beltre.
The Beltre homer was the game where the infamous Bloomquist play at second base occured. Ugh.
Edit:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2RrhdyJFL5g/RkCd8LuIw9I/AAAAAAAAAWI/ohFpMwyejpM/s400/call.JPG
fredgmuggs
05-07-09, 10:16 PM
On the YES postgame, Girardi admits Mo's velocity isn't what it has been, also that he has just come off a period when his shoulder was a little "tired." He didn't pitch for five days, but he felt all right. Girardi blames all this on the surgery, which he's still recovering from.
But as Bob Lorenz points out ... he was brilliant in Spring Training.
He struck out the side last night. He seemed pretty brilliant last night, too.
Mo's arm strength is not there yet. His words.
yankeefan122
05-07-09, 10:24 PM
I'm only expressing concern and certainly not giving up on Mo. He was also very bad in April of 2007 and actually lost a game on May 7 when he gave up a 9th inning HR to Beltre.
Mo had given up his 3rd HR of the year that May also. He actually had an over 5 era in June 2007. The rest of the season he only gave up 1 HR and he was fine.
Also, K-Rod gave up 4 homers last year, 6 homers in 2006, 7 homers in 2005, and 12 homers in 2003.
Papelbon gave up 4 homers all of 2008 and 5 homers in 2007.
Nathan gave up 5 homers in 2008, 4 homers in 2007, and 5 homers in 2005.
I use those guys to use some of the best closers in baseball. We've been spoiled with Mo. As you can see the top closers have given up 4 or more homers in seasons. It's just strange seeing Mo do it, but I have confidence that he'll get better as the season progresses.
djhitman01
05-07-09, 10:27 PM
Mariano Rivera is officially done. I'll eat crow if im wrong. But he just doesn't have the stuff anymore. All he has is a good 89 mph cutter these days. About a 100 guys in the league have that.
goin for 27
05-07-09, 10:28 PM
Mo's arm strength is not there yet. His words.
I feel so bad for him, he was down. It is concerning with age and the surgery...he IS going to decline, he is not immortal. I hope this is not the beginning of it....
I posted this in the Injury Update thread, but I'll repeat it here:
Mo on the YES postgame: "I've been giving my best. I don't think it's 100% yet. But that's not an excuse ... I feel great, so the strength, it will be there ... I know how my body feels, and if it doesn't feel good, I won't be in the game."
He was bracing himself against the wall with his right arm, so I guess it's not exactly tender.
The Beltre homer was the game where the infamous Bloomquist play at second base occured. Ugh.
Edit:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2RrhdyJFL5g/RkCd8LuIw9I/AAAAAAAAAWI/ohFpMwyejpM/s400/call.JPG
Nice job. I remember that horrible call distinctly. Maybe it was a makeup for the Posada safe at first call the year before.
Rocketbooster
05-07-09, 10:52 PM
Did they boo Mo? I had already left the game ..........man, if that's true, I'm sick. Of course this isn't the first time.........I despise Yankee fans. I'll bet the new guys wondered why they ever thought it would be neat pitching in front of fans such as these
Rocketbooster
05-07-09, 10:55 PM
I posted this in the Injury Update thread, but I'll repeat it here:
Mo on the YES postgame: "I've been giving my best. I don't think it's 100% yet. But that's not an excuse ... I feel great, so the strength, it will be there ... I know how my body feels, and if it doesn't feel good, I won't be in the game."
He was bracing himself against the wall with his right arm, so I guess it's not exactly tender.
At least he doesn't hurt......and he does feel good. That's huge. Maybe Mo needs to rehab in Tampa -of course, that would leave us without a closer up here, but I don't think we can afford to build up his arm strength here.
njyankeesfan
05-07-09, 11:02 PM
This really may be it for him. He's never looked so awful, velocity is way down, they are hitting bombs off him.
He's given up 4 HRs in 11 innings, he normally gives up 4 HR or less in a season.
He's a 40 year old coming off shoulder surgery, I can't say I'm shocked. Just disappointed and very sad that his decline may have come so quickly and at the worst time.
Mariano Rivera won't turn 40 until November 29th; wow, that makes me feel as old as stating that Derek Jeter will be 35 on June 26th, but there it is!
I am not concerned about Rivera at this point. He knows his body and his arm, and if he says his arm isn't "there" yet (especially since he's coming off off-season surgery), I'll take his word for it.
We'll have a better picture as the season progresses.
yankeefan122
05-07-09, 11:03 PM
At least he doesn't hurt......and he does feel good. That's huge. Maybe Mo needs to rehab in Tampa -of course, that would leave us without a closer up here, but I don't think we can afford to build up his arm strength here.
Sure we can. Use him more often. Even if it's a blow out game either way. If his era raises....so be it. Especially if it means he's getting things corrected and then he has a strong finish to the season and the playoffs (if we make it).
Let's not forget that last year people called Mussina done early on. Most Yankee fans were sure of it. I know you didn't say he was done or even suggest it. I just mentioned it to give an example of an older player that had a bad start and then corrected it and had a good season.
Mo goes through this every year. It is always a bad stretch and then the old Mo returns. He is getting it out of the way early. There are a million reasons to be worried about this bunch, but Mo really isn't one of them right now.
NYYDragoon
05-07-09, 11:12 PM
Mo goes through this every year. It is always a bad stretch and then the old Mo returns. He is getting it out of the way early. There are a million reasons to be worried about this bunch, but Mo really isn't one of them right now.And every year, a few fans will jump ship. Will we ever learn?
spyglass
05-07-09, 11:13 PM
And every year, a few fans will jump ship. Will we ever learn?
Patience is a virtue that does not apply to Yankee fans.
Rocketbooster
05-07-09, 11:16 PM
Sure we can. Use him more often. Even if it's a blow out game either way. If his era raises....so be it. Especially if it means he's getting things corrected and then he has a strong finish to the season and the playoffs (if we make it).
Let's not forget that last year people called Mussina done early on. Most Yankee fans were sure of it. I know you didn't say he was done or even suggest it. I just mentioned it to give an example of an older player that had a bad start and then corrected it and had a good season.
It will cost us games, but on the other hand, he's better than anyone out there.....he's still the greatest. I guess as long as he's not hurt, and he's not, we'll have to bite the bullet. Then Mo will be great again and all will be right with the world....lol
yankeefan122
05-07-09, 11:26 PM
It will cost us games, but on the other hand, he's better than anyone out there.....he's still the greatest. I guess as long as he's not hurt, and he's not, we'll have to bite the bullet. Then Mo will be great again and all will be right with the world....lol
It won't cost us games in a blow out and honestly I'd rather have problems now than late in the season.
This team has the talent to get on a big run. It's just a matter of it actually happening.
Mo goes through this every year. It is always a bad stretch and then the old Mo returns. He is getting it out of the way early. There are a million reasons to be worried about this bunch, but Mo really isn't one of them right now.He's never gone through "this," exactly, before though. Four home runs is all he gave up ALL last year. And he had never, ever given up back to back home runs before. And even he admits he's not at full strength after the surgery, and the gun readings certainly bear that out.
I do think he'll get through it, but it's still a little bit different from the "this" he goes through every year.
ThePinStripes
05-07-09, 11:50 PM
It will cost us games, but on the other hand, he's better than anyone out there.....he's still the greatest. I guess as long as he's not hurt, and he's not, we'll have to bite the bullet. Then Mo will be great again and all will be right with the world....lol
I'm not quite sure he still is the greatest, this start aside. He had the best career- sure.
DaSh 1s
05-07-09, 11:52 PM
And every year, a few fans will jump ship. Will we ever learn?
And thats why Yankee fans are coined as ridiculous
Rocketbooster
05-07-09, 11:55 PM
I'm not quite sure he still is the greatest, this start aside. He had the best career- sure.
When Mo is right (and he will be with more arm strength), there is no one else I want on the mound.
teknetic
05-08-09, 12:04 AM
I'm not quite sure he still is the greatest, this start aside. He had the best career- sure.
There wasn't anyone better last year, which was the best year in his career. Still the greatest? meh.
I think we all need to remember Mo did have shoulder surgery and is 39...
Yes, I am setting myself up for a soft landing that hopefully will never come.
He's never gone through "this," exactly, before though. Four home runs is all he gave up ALL last year. And he had never, ever given up back to back home runs before. And even he admits he's not at full strength after the surgery, and the gun readings certainly bear that out.
I do think he'll get through it, but it's still a little bit different from the "this" he goes through every year.
My point was that he always goes through a rough patch. I am not going to start counting hits/runs/HR's. The point is he goes through a stretch where he blows games one way or the other. He always has gotten over it. Now if this continues and it becomes a true pattern then worrying surely won't matter because the season will certainly be over. For now he is doing his blow-up job, and given this yearly display is as certain as the sun rising, I don't think we are yet at the point of concern.
My point was that he always goes through a rough patch. I am not going to start counting hits/runs/HR's. The point is he goes through a stretch where he blows games one way or the other. He always has gotten over it. Now if this continues and it becomes a true pattern then worrying surely won't matter because the season will certainly be over. For now he is doing his blow-up job, and given this yearly display is as certain as the sun rising, I don't think we are yet at the point of concern.
Except before it wasn't because of diminished ability:
2008
FB 18.0% (93.1)
CU 82.0% (92.8)
2009
FB 6.4% (91.5)
CU 93.6% (90.9)
silverdsl
05-08-09, 06:53 AM
And thats why Yankee fans are coined as ridiculousWell, I don't think it's ridiculous to be concerned about Mariano given his age and other issues no matter how many rough patches he's gone through at this time of the year in the past. Even the best eventually start to decline. Hopefully Mariano will be fine but given that he's 39... I'm a little nervous.
goin for 27
05-08-09, 06:56 AM
Exactly. Mo is 39, and just had shoulder surgery. For anyone who simply dismisses his start to the season....is burying their head in the sand.
That said, it very well could be a rough patch as he builds arm strength. It is a small sample size, and we all have to wait and see, BUT - Mo WILL delcine, and we need to hope that this is not the beginning of it. Hopefully the team hands him some leads so we can find out.
Not having a lead for nearly a week? Incredible.
I Heart Jeter
05-08-09, 07:31 AM
Did they boo Mo? I had already left the game ..........man, if that's true, I'm sick. Of course this isn't the first time.........I despise Yankee fans. I'll bet the new guys wondered why they ever thought it would be neat pitching in front of fans such as these
I didn't hear any booing. I think the fans were too stunned to even think of booing
I Heart Jeter
05-08-09, 07:32 AM
When Mo is right (and he will be with more arm strength), there is no one else I want on the mound.
How long will it take himi to build arm strength? And what do we do in the meantime?
How long will it take himi to build arm strength? And what do we do in the meantime?
You keep throwing him out there. One player I will never worry about is Rivera even at 39 years old.
Bostonsfavson
05-08-09, 08:14 AM
Except before it wasn't because of diminished ability:
2008
FB 18.0% (93.1)
CU 82.0% (92.8)
2009
FB 6.4% (91.5)
CU 93.6% (90.9)
Well, I'm convinced. He's done. RO immediately.
Regarding the HRs, I think we also need to factor in this new bandbox of a ballpark he's playing his home games in. :mad:
Regarding the HRs, I think we also need to factor in this new bandbox of a ballpark he's playing his home games in. :mad:
Im not sure, the Bay homer last week was an absolute bomb. As for last night, the Crawford homer maybe gets out at the old stadium with the short porch, the Longoria homer was out anywhere.
Im not sure, the Bay homer last week was an absolute bomb. As for last night, the Crawford homer maybe gets out at the old stadium with the short porch, the Longoria homer was out anywhere.
It's not just the dimensions. The wind conditions have to be factored in also.
As to Longoria, as someone mentioned upthread, he's just become a Yankee killer. Hell, he's just a pitcher killer in general. He's a beast. (And thank God he's the third baseman on two of my fantasy teams. :D )
YankeePride1967
05-08-09, 08:33 AM
I heard some morons were booing Mo last night. Anyone who did should be embarrassed. Pathetic.
YankeePride1967
05-08-09, 08:37 AM
And every year, a few fans will jump ship. Will we ever learn?
Of course not.
cyhughes22
05-08-09, 08:58 AM
I'm no expert on this subject but I wonder if Mo would benefit from warming up longer. Maybe he already has adapted his routine but it seems to me that coming off of the surgery it takes longer to get warmed up. I also think that he's going to be fine but that it may take him longer to get into a groove. Maybe I'm imagining things but his shoulder doesn't look 100% yet to me. I could swear you can almost see a little hitch but I could be imagining things.
Rastven
05-08-09, 09:04 AM
I'm think this is a dead arm period exacerbated by chronic under use.
This team needs to find ways to get Mo into games 3-4 times a week not 3-4 times a month.
djhitman01
05-08-09, 09:05 AM
And if it is over for mo.... im not complaining, he's gonna go down as the best closer ever, even though I think Gossage was just as good.
161 and River Ave.
05-08-09, 09:06 AM
Or maybe he's just a 39 year old reliever who is starting to look human.
effdamets
05-08-09, 09:11 AM
Or maybe he's just a 39 year old reliever who is starting to look human.
... and therefore all the band wagon fans can boo him!
What a disgrace last night.
But yes - I think Mariano may be showing us that when his skin is cut, red stuff oozes out of the wound.....
Rocketbooster
05-08-09, 09:19 AM
Or maybe he's just a 39 year old reliever who is starting to look human.
No, he doesn't have his arm strength back. Once he gets it back, then we'll see where we are - I expect him to be just fine.
The problem is that the Yankees are walking a tightrope. Mo needs to pitch more in order to regain his arm strength, - but how do you do that and protect his arm, coming off of surgery?
Or maybe he's just a 39 year old reliever who is starting to look human.
The more economical view. After all, that age is what it is. As Carmella says, "Nothing is forever Tony."
161 and River Ave.
05-08-09, 09:26 AM
No, he doesn't have his arm strength back. Once he gets it back, then we'll see where we are - I expect him to be just fine.
The problem is that the Yankees are walking a tightrope. Mo needs to pitch more in order to regain his arm strength, - but how do you do that and protect his arm, coming off of surgery?
How do you know if its coming back? I pray that it does, but lets be realistic here. He isn't a 26 year old pitcher anymore.
This was bound to happen soon, we have been spoiled.
Shoulder discomfort (Rotoworld) for Mo.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines.aspx?sport=MLB&hl=262248
EstrangedNYer
05-08-09, 09:33 AM
How do you know if its coming back? I pray that it does, but lets be realistic here. He isn't a 26 year old pitcher anymore.
This was bound to happen soon, we have been spoiled.
We have been spoiled, absolutely. If his fastball losing bite at the tail end is more chronic due to his age, he may have to either consider changing up his arsenal (i.e. Trevor Hoffman) or he may hang it up soon.
Mariano is the ONLY Yankee that was absolutely irreplaceable during the 12 yr stretch and has contributed so much to the team. He is the last person on the roster to deserve any booing by the fans. Friggin' bandwagoners.
Shoulder discomfort (Rotoworld) for Mo.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines.aspx?sport=MLB&hl=262248
Uh-oh. And Wang throwing at only 91 mph in Florida. And Bruney maybe taking longer to come back. Joba-as-starter is my preference, but--IF Hughes pitches decently next time out--circumstances may force the Yankees' hand on this one. They cannot rely on the bullpen as it now is. Veras is a bases-on-balls accident always waiting to happen. Edwar has to count on poor short-term memory in hitters, so that they forget how many change-up's he's just thrown.
EstrangedNYer
05-08-09, 09:47 AM
I admit, I always thought of Joba as the next fireballing closer. The key to Yankee success in the late 90s was shortening the game and I think Joba has that kind of closer shut down ability that forces the opposition to be more aggressive than necessary in prior innings in order to try and get the runs in.
Metroidman
05-08-09, 09:50 AM
I admit, I always thought of Joba as the next fireballing closer. The key to Yankee success in the late 90s was shortening the game and I think Joba has that kind of closer shut down ability that forces the opposition to be more aggressive than necessary in prior innings in order to try and get the runs in.
Why do people think the 90's teams success was shortening the game? Who the hell was the Rays closer last year? The key to the dynasty Yankees was a AWESOME ROTATION. The bullpen played a very very very very very small part in the wins they had.
Romeo the Yankee
05-08-09, 10:11 AM
I think if Mo was used correctly we would see a difference.. Speaking of a clueless Joe:mad:
the_coach
05-08-09, 10:16 AM
Riveria's shoulder bothering him....
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines.aspx?sport=MLB&hl=262248
During Thursday's post-game show on the YES Network, Yankees manager Joe Girardi revealed that Mariano Rivera's surgically repaired shoulder has been bothering him.
The news came minutes after Rivera suffered his first loss of the season, allowing two home runs to the Rays after entering a tie game in the ninth inning. His velocity has taken a noticeable dip and he may need a few days off. Rivera still has a 3.97 ERA and a 17/0 K/BB ratio over 11 1/3 innings this season.
EDIT: just saw your post DJ27
goin for 27
05-08-09, 10:18 AM
Why do people think the 90's teams success was shortening the game? Who the hell was the Rays closer last year? The key to the dynasty Yankees was a AWESOME ROTATION. The bullpen played a very very very very very small part in the wins they had.
Come on now. Wetteland had an ERA+ of 167 with the Yanks. What starter in his years had better? None. (David Cone was VERY close in the second year)
Rivera? 450+ innings 1995-2000. ERA plus of 179. Mix in some great years by Stanton, Nelson, etc...
To say the bullpen played a very very very very, small role, is having amnesia.
Rotations? We had great ones, but we also won with simply solid ones.
Shortening the game is important. Right now we have two starters in Joba and Hughes, who will not even sniff 200 innings. Someone has to pick up that slack. Wang will not reach 200 innings even if great when he comes back.
That leaves CC/Burnett (risk)/Pettitte who need to be horses.
The pen is critical to this years success of the Yankees.
LIYanks
05-08-09, 10:26 AM
Why do people think the 90's teams success was shortening the game? Who the hell was the Rays closer last year? The key to the dynasty Yankees was a AWESOME ROTATION. The bullpen played a very very very very very small part in the wins they had.
The bullpen was a very critical part of our championship run in the late 90s. It may not have been THE reason but Mo made life much easier for our AWESOME rotation. Even Clueless Joe benefited greatly from Mo's domination during those years.
Shall we say that the bullpen played a small part in the wins we had in the late 90s. ;)
Mantle'sMutt
05-08-09, 10:44 AM
I would have been tempted to "go time" upside the head of Mo booers, had I been at the game yesterday. Talk about spoiled (ignorant) fans. Booing Mo Rivera. In the immortal words of JD Clampett "Pitiful. Juuuust pitiful."
That said, if Mo is out for any length of time, do the Yankees have any choice but to use Joba - short of some kind of deal?
What kind of Yankee fan boo's Mariano Rivera? I don't care if this guy starts pissing on Babe Ruth's plaque in monument park, there is nothing he can do that I would boo him for.
I'd love to see his career numbers when entering a tied game... does anyone have this handy?
... actually, I don't think I want to see it at all, but I'm curious.
Rocketbooster
05-08-09, 12:29 PM
Shoulder discomfort (Rotoworld) for Mo.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines.aspx?sport=MLB&hl=262248
That's just overreaction - Mo said himself he feels great and just needs to regain his arm strength. ***Rotoworld, lol
roblyo33
05-08-09, 12:35 PM
Except before it wasn't because of diminished ability:
2008
FB 18.0% (93.1)
CU 82.0% (92.8)
2009
FB 6.4% (91.5)
CU 93.6% (90.9)
Are the 2008 numbers for the whole season??
If so, do you have them for the comparable 2008 dates to 2009??? (I have no clue where to find them - sorry)
EstrangedNYer
05-08-09, 12:49 PM
Come on now. Wetteland had an ERA+ of 167 with the Yanks. What starter in his years had better? None. (David Cone was VERY close in the second year)
Rivera? 450+ innings 1995-2000. ERA plus of 179. Mix in some great years by Stanton, Nelson, etc...
To say the bullpen played a very very very very, small role, is having amnesia.
Rotations? We had great ones, but we also won with simply solid ones.
Shortening the game is important. Right now we have two starters in Joba and Hughes, who will not even sniff 200 innings. Someone has to pick up that slack. Wang will not reach 200 innings even if great when he comes back.
That leaves CC/Burnett (risk)/Pettitte who need to be horses.
The pen is critical to this years success of the Yankees.
Thanks gf27. Basically outside of '98 I saw nothing awesome in the rotation collectively in the stretch of 96-00. And in '98 the runs from the offense were pouring like a waterfall so even Anthony Young could be a 15 game winner that year. The bullpen just wasn't Mo, but Mo was the icon for how good the bullpen was and Mo will be talked about as a premier closer for many years after he retires. Guys like Wetteland, Nelson and Stanton were very good examples of how good the bullpen was back in the late 90s. Pitching and defense were very integral in winning the championships. When opposing teams were trailing going into the later innings, their morale goes down with the kind of bullpen they had to face back then.
bmxstreetrider86
05-08-09, 12:57 PM
the number that matters when talking about rivera, HR's on 65% (!!!!!) of his fly balls, thats not gonna continue folks, he will be fine
I feel Mo was rushed and wasn't ready (warmed up) last night. Maybe his arm was ready for the FB . Please don't go on the DL for soreness - this would be terrible for the pen and the team. (But I am concerned and we better start planing for another closer just in case. Everybody feel Melacon (sp) but I don't like it nor do I have an answer.)
Booing Mo is unbelievable. He was really down in the dugout.
Bucky
Melan-cynic
05-08-09, 01:49 PM
I'd love to see Mariano start throwing his change-up in game situations. I know people with the Yankees have always said he has a good one and now 2009 might be the right time to begin breaking it out. People in the organization always have said he has a good one and that he still will throw it on the side at times.
Brick Tamland
05-08-09, 01:53 PM
Seriously...why does this thread even exist?
I would have been tempted to "go time" upside the head of Mo booers, had I been at the game yesterday. Talk about spoiled (ignorant) fans. Booing Mo Rivera. In the immortal words of JD Clampett "Pitiful. Juuuust pitiful."
That said, if Mo is out for any length of time, do the Yankees have any choice but to use Joba - short of some kind of deal?
Booing didn't start till Girardi started walking to the mound.
I very much like to believe the booing was for JG pulling Mo.
goin for 27
05-08-09, 04:06 PM
Seriously...why does this thread even exist?
To post about Rivera's performance? There is a Jeter thread, and ARod thread, and so on.....
Brick Tamland
05-08-09, 04:44 PM
To post about Rivera's performance? There is a Jeter thread, and ARod thread, and so on.....
Good point. I meant to post this in the "We need a replacement for Mo" thread and got confused and posted in haste. I apologize for the oversight.
So he must be ok since he was up in the pen tonight during the 9th.
Rocketbooster
05-08-09, 09:41 PM
Very good blog entry by Kim Jones:
http://kimberlyjones.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/05/first_impressions_alex_is_thin.html (http://kimberlyjones.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/05/first_impressions_alex_is_thin.html)
I love that Cervelli is confident, that Alex is happier and that Mo has his sense of humor in tact:
Mariano also says—with a smile—that Yankees fans are “spoiled”—imagine that—and that as soon as he has a bad stretch, they wonder if he’s hurt or if he’s losing it.
He’s not losing it, he says. “At the end of the season, we’ll see numbers as great as they always are.”
LOL at Mo.......
Very good blog entry by Kim Jones:
http://kimberlyjones.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/05/first_impressions_alex_is_thin.html (http://kimberlyjones.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/05/first_impressions_alex_is_thin.html)
I love that Cervelli is confident, that Alex is happier and that Mo has his sense of humor in tact:
Mariano also says—with a smile—that Yankees fans are “spoiled”—imagine that—and that as soon as he has a bad stretch, they wonder if he’s hurt or if he’s losing it.
He’s not losing it, he says. “At the end of the season, we’ll see numbers as great as they always are.”
LOL at Mo.......
Awesome!!! Another reason why to love Mo!!!
Rocketbooster
05-08-09, 10:26 PM
Mo is awesome - he's by far my favorite Yankees. He's so quiet, but he has a good sense of humor - and he's incredibly dignified. He never worries about anything - it's amazing. He's just preternaturally calm.
Nice jab at the fans, lol
jesterno2
05-08-09, 11:48 PM
the "problem" with mo right now, or the reason he is struggling, is because the rest of the team has played so badly that he hasnt gotten the regular work and save opportunities he usually does. everyone should remember how badly he started a few years ago cause he barely had any action in the first month. same applies here... as soon as we start getting to use him regularly he'll be fine and post his usual stellar stuff.
the "problem" with mo right now, or the reason he is struggling, is because the rest of the team has played so badly that he hasnt gotten the regular work and save opportunities he usually does. everyone should remember how badly he started a few years ago cause he barely had any action in the first month. same applies here... as soon as we start getting to use him regularly he'll be fine and post his usual stellar stuff.
this happened two years ago.
27IsNext
05-10-09, 03:43 PM
Looked downright awful, but got the job done.
JohnnyEllis
05-10-09, 03:44 PM
That was about 75% of the real thing but he survived.
JeterRodriguezSheff
05-10-09, 03:45 PM
Gameday had him at 92-94, where he usually is. So for those worrying about his velocity that should ease your fears.
Mo will be fine for this season.
nnysiny
05-10-09, 03:46 PM
good to see his velocity up already
NYYDragoon
05-10-09, 03:47 PM
That was about 75% of the real thing but he survived.Indeed. But the outcome worked out, so...
JeterForPresident
05-10-09, 03:48 PM
He's back baby!
Looked downright awful, but got the job done.
I wouldnt say he looked awful, control wasnt pin point but he had more than enough to get the job done.
teknetic
05-10-09, 04:03 PM
First walk!
...to Felix Pie.
sweet_lou_14
05-10-09, 07:15 PM
I think Mo looked shaky at the start of the inning -- most of the pitches were up, though thankfully they had a ton of movement and came so far inside as to be unhittable. Then he started getting the ball down and by the time he got to Roberts, it looked like vintage Mo. The strikeout looking followed by the weak tapper to the mound were a welcome, familiar sight.
smckdwn989
05-10-09, 07:31 PM
velocity and movement were more consistent. control wasn't quite where he usually is, but the fact that we saw a couple additional ticks on the gun tell me Mo will be just fine.
SuperMariano42
05-10-09, 10:08 PM
Good outing today IMO.
I think the warmer weather had something to do with his velocity being up today. As long as he stays healthy he'll be fine. As he builds arm strength back up and the warm weather comes the velocity will be just like normal. As seen today. I'm not the least bit concerned about his command. 18 k's 1 BB
burtons
05-11-09, 12:29 AM
good job today.
if he stays healthy he will be fine. it's normal to have some bad games...
thesportshero
05-11-09, 01:03 AM
I was pleased to see the velocity up, but the control was still a bit off. I hope my initial fears were wrong and he's just taking longer to actually get "warmed up" for the season. I'm cautiously optimistic.
while his velocity was up a little, he seem to me to be trying to throw hard. still not worried about him though.
roblyo33
05-11-09, 11:13 AM
Just a reminder from Mo: "At the end of the season, we'll see numbers as great as they always are."............from Kim Jones blog - 5/8/2009
teknetic
05-11-09, 11:31 AM
Seems like he's not the only closer who's struggled.
Papelbon has allowed 22 baserunners in 14 innings. Soria has a WHIP of 1.38 and is on now on the DL with a shoulder injury, Fuentes is on another planet in terms of suck, Marmol (setup/closer, yadayada) has been terrible. Who else is there?
Seems like he's not the only closer who's struggled.
Papelbon has allowed 22 baserunners in 14 innings. Soria has a WHIP of 1.38 and is on now on the DL with a shoulder injury, Fuentes is on another planet in terms of suck, Marmol (setup/closer, yadayada) has been terrible. Who else is there?
with the exception of mo, nathan and k-rod, there isn't a reliever (closer) than has managed to be good longer than thre years or so.
with the exception of mo, nathan and k-rod, there isn't a reliever (closer) than has managed to be good longer than thre years or so.
I think Papelbon will join that list. I hate it when he pitches against us, but I watch him a lot and he has a way of finding the pitch to get people out.
I don't know what exactly the "reliever mentality" is, but whatever it is, Papelbon has got it in abundance. Papelbon has actually already been good for 3 years from '06 to '08 clocking in at .837WHIP and 277ERA+.
roblyo33
05-11-09, 03:16 PM
I think Papelbon will join that list. I hate it when he pitches against us, but I watch him a lot and he has a way of finding the pitch to get people out.
I don't know what exactly the "reliever mentality" is, but whatever it is, Papelbon has got it in abundance. Papelbon has actually already been good for 3 years from '06 to '08 clocking in at .837WHIP and 277ERA+.
Using those two words together in a sentence is a stretch!!!
Fewest home runs allowed from 2003 to 2008 with at least as many innings pitched as Rivera had during that time:
1. Mariano Rivera: 19
Tied 2. Francisco Rodriguez and Chien-Ming Wang: 34 each
Fewest home runs allowed from 2003 to 2008 with at least as many innings pitched as Rivera had during that time:
1. Mariano Rivera: 19
Tied 2. Francisco Rodriguez and Chien-Ming Wang: 34 each
Pitchers with 200IP or more from 2003 to 2009 sorted by HR/9.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/shareit/TXFM
Some pretty amusing names at the top.
goin for 27
05-11-09, 05:52 PM
with the exception of mo, nathan and k-rod, there isn't a reliever (closer) than has managed to be good longer than thre years or so.
I think Hoffman has had a few good years.;)
Papelbon for sure...Cordero? Jenks? This is off the top of my head, but these are good/great closers...
roblyo33
05-11-09, 06:24 PM
Pitchers with 200IP or more from 2003 to 2009 sorted by HR/9.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/shareit/TXFM
Some pretty amusing names at the top.
Too bad we didn't get Mo's cousin Saul
SuperMariano42
05-11-09, 09:15 PM
Lidge '09 - 8.53 ERA 1.89 whip
Is another top notch reliever that has struggled thus far.
I think Hoffman has had a few good years.;)
Papelbon for sure...Cordero? Jenks? This is off the top of my head, but these are good/great closers...
ok, forgot about hoffman but he picthes against some crap offenses. jenks and papelbon are close. cordero not so much.
Mo needs an inning tomorrow.
Well, at least he got to warm up last night. /rolleyes
b-ball-lunachick
05-14-09, 09:06 PM
Mo needs an inning tomorrow.
And he gets it..nice clean inning with only a one run lead..thank you Mo...AGAIN! :)
Mo's most challenging save of the year and he does it with ease, what a pro
CoyoteYankee
05-14-09, 09:13 PM
11 pitch save. That's Mo.
b-ball-lunachick
05-14-09, 09:16 PM
11 pitch save. That's Mo.
I was just going to say - 11 pitches bitches. :D
sweet_lou_14
05-14-09, 09:20 PM
His last time out, he threw a bunch of pitches early that sailed high and into the lefty batter's box. Then over the course of the inning he got the ball down and finished strong.
Tonight, his first pitch sailed up and out like that, and I was a little worried. But it turned out to be the only one. He looked much sharper for the rest of the inning (all 10 pitches' worth).
CoyoteYankee
05-14-09, 09:22 PM
I was just going to say - 11 pitches bitches. :D
:lol: Yours is better!
Good command as usual, pretty good movement on his cutters. He's a tad not Mo in velocity and perfection of command, but right now he's still good enough to be an elite closer. I imagine he regains/builds some arm strength as the season heats up.
b-ball-lunachick
05-15-09, 09:49 AM
what was his velocity?
I know the last pitch on the YES gun was 90 but who knows whether that thing is right or not. :dunno:
Have we determined if it is ever right and or if gameday's is right?
YankeePride1967
05-15-09, 09:52 AM
As usual there are quite a few people proclaiming Mo done that once again are enjoying a nice crow sandwich.
YESSIR!
05-15-09, 09:59 AM
what was his velocity?
In Mo's strikeout of Barajas to end the game, Gameday had the following (from memory):
Cutter - 93
Cutter - 92
Cutter - 92
Cutter - 93
Cutter - 93
IIRCC. I know he was 90-91 in the the first AB, but he got it up there eventually, finishing strictly in the 92-93 range. It seems evident that he cranks it up as he throws more pitches.
interesting. i have know seen the game. the unreliable YEs gun seemed to have him at 88 again.
roblyo33
05-16-09, 07:17 PM
To quote Mariano from the post game "worked out pretty well, I think"
Cant imagine who is going to have to close tomorrow if necessary, Albaladejo maybe because he didnt throw today? Probably not Coke for going 2 innings, maybe Aceves.
teknetic
05-16-09, 10:03 PM
Melanc...
DEADSOX
05-16-09, 10:14 PM
I would guess the only arms available tomorrow are Alba, Aceves, Melancon, and Tomko.
fredgmuggs
05-16-09, 10:17 PM
I would guess the only arms available tomorrow are Alba, Aceves, Melancon, and Tomko.
Did the Yankees make a roster move because I thought Melancon was sent down?
DEADSOX
05-16-09, 10:19 PM
Did the Yankees make a roster move because I thought Melancon was sent down?
Ah youre right, I forgot. It's hard to remember whos there seeing as we only see the same guys every game.
fredgmuggs
05-16-09, 10:21 PM
Ah youre right, I forgot. It's hard to remember whos there seeing as we only see the same guys every game.
I thought maybe they had made a move with Veras after the game that I didn't see. Oh well.
roblyo33
05-16-09, 10:33 PM
I thought maybe they had made a move with Veras after the game that I didn't see. Oh well.
One can hope!!!!
i know he'd only thrown a handful of pitches but i really didn't like seeing him out there for the second inning last night. he is still recovering and shouldn't be pushed. he was "mo" again, which is way he is so good.
One can hope!!!!
He probably goes down when Bruney comes back?:dunno::dunno:
man, a lot of the fans at the stadium are idiots. people chanting "we want Mo" when he's pitched 3 innings in 2 days. and booing Veras' first batter. i now know who the idiots who booed Mariano the other day are. First time I've sat not in the bleachers.
Rastven
05-19-09, 10:00 AM
I'd boo the appearance of Veras as well, don't think that makes me an idiot. He's been flat out not good.
But while he's playing, you support him. Boo him when he's on his way off the mound.
Rastven
05-19-09, 10:40 AM
I boo the decision to get a guy not throwing strikes into a very close game.
I think people calling for Mo in that case are idiots (or at the very least fans that didn't see an overworked Nathan implode on friday night).
Yankee Tripper
05-19-09, 10:45 AM
Mo is 39 coming off sholder surgery. It's a long season. I'd have MUCH rather lost last nights game than possibly lose Mo for an extended period of time due to an injury caused by overuse.
DaSh 1s
05-19-09, 10:51 AM
I'd boo the appearance of Veras as well, don't think that makes me an idiot. He's been flat out not good.
Did you boo Alex as well throughout the whole 2006 season? Did you boo Alex when he struck out and dropped a foul pop up in the first inning during the first game of the 2007 season? And then did you pretend like you were always there throughout the remainder of the 2007 season?
Rastven
05-19-09, 12:43 PM
Did you boo Alex as well throughout the whole 2006 season? Did you boo Alex when he struck out and dropped a foul pop up in the first inning during the first game of the 2007 season? And then did you pretend like you were always there throughout the remainder of the 2007 season?
Huh?
Why would I have boo'd him in decent season and why would I boo him for a single K and single error in a game.
As I said I wouldn't be booing Veras per say, merely the decision to use him in that particular spot. He's shown practically zero in high leverage situations his season.
I like Veras as a pitcher when he throws strikes but until he does keep him out of high leverage spots.
StatenIslandYankee
05-20-09, 09:42 PM
Why was Mo used tonight?
Spiker101
05-20-09, 09:45 PM
Why was Mo used tonight?
If I understand Girardi correctly, they couldn't use him last night because he was overworked. And they pitched him in the ninth tonight with an eight run lead because he needed more work.
I guess Girardi just wanted to get Rivera an easy save, I probably wouldve held him back though.
StatenIslandYankee
05-20-09, 09:54 PM
If I understand Girardi correctly, they couldn't use him last night because he was overworked. And they pitched him in the ninth tonight with an eight run lead because he needed more work.Um ... yeah! :-ponder-:
This is not really a big deal, just something to complain about in the midst of an 8 game win streak. Rivera will be available tomorrow and will be fine.
35Knucklecurve
05-21-09, 08:09 AM
I guess Girardi just wanted to get Rivera an easy save, I probably wouldve held him back though.
I was kinda surprised to see him too with that kind of a lead.
teknetic
05-21-09, 08:55 PM
Gameday fails me, was that a changeup? that thing had absurd movement.
ObscurePlayer
05-21-09, 08:59 PM
Gameday fails me, was that a changeup? that thing had absurd movement.
It was 93 mph, so I'm guessing it was a two-seamer that dropped about fifteen inches. Whatever it was, it was one of the nastiest pitches I've ever seen Mo throw.
Rocketbooster
05-21-09, 09:12 PM
Mo looked darn good...........and that last pitch was nasty, whatever it was. The Honorable Mariano Rivera still presides over the 9th inning......and he will continue to do so.........
roblyo33
05-21-09, 09:31 PM
The last pitch was, according to Gameday, a 93 MPH 4-seam FB.
EDIT: Whatever it was, it was filthy.
teknetic
05-21-09, 11:07 PM
That's ridiculous. That pitched tailed and dropped off the plate.
JavyVazquezIsSick
05-22-09, 07:30 AM
Yeah, I thought that was a changeup too.
35Knucklecurve
05-22-09, 07:39 AM
The last pitch was, according to Gameday, a 93 MPH 4-seam FB.
EDIT: Whatever it was, it was filthy.
The first thing that came to mind was an announcement: "Do not ajdust your TV - that pitch was real."
I think the laws of physics just took a direct hit.
man, a lot of the fans at the stadium are idiots. people chanting "we want Mo" when he's pitched 3 innings in 2 days. and booing Veras' first batter. i now know who the idiots who booed Mariano the other day are. First time I've sat not in the bleachers.
you don't need to continue. this statement stands for itself.
The first thing that came to mind was an announcement: "Do not ajdust your TV - that pitch was real."
I think the laws of physics just took a direct hit.
And then we find out Mariano has invented a new pitch at age 39. :D
roblyo33
05-22-09, 11:02 AM
And then we find out Mariano has invented a new pitch at age 39. :D
I didn't see the post-game. Did anyone ask Mo or Frankie what the pitch was???
themgmt
05-22-09, 02:00 PM
The pitch was a two seamer. The first pitch to Jones was a 2 seamer too.
The one to Huff was nasty. His has more sink than run.
kongull
05-22-09, 02:02 PM
The first thing that came to mind was an announcement: "Do not ajdust your TV - that pitch was real."
I think the laws of physics just took a direct hit.
Win! Screw you Newton!
Mo should be well rested for this weekend.
THEBOSS84
05-29-09, 10:27 PM
Every time I see his k:bb ratio (24:1), I chuckle.
THEBOSS84
05-29-09, 10:35 PM
Of course I meant to write 26:1...
The cutter was cutting like crazy tonight.
Yankees13
05-29-09, 10:37 PM
Of course I meant to write 26:1...
The cutter was cutting like crazy tonight.
It looked like he was throwing 92 MPH sliders out there. Pure filth. That K/BB rate is just absurd. He has the best command of any pitcher I've ever seen, if he walks you, it's because he wanted to.
JohnnyEllis
05-29-09, 10:42 PM
Vintage.
teknetic
05-29-09, 10:43 PM
Felix Pie's only highlight of this season has been the fact that he walked against Mo.
Anyone see the cutters to Sizemore? absolutely insane movement down and in.
Zeppelindays
05-29-09, 10:48 PM
Watching Mo is like eating lobster, drinking the finest wine, smoking the finest cigar and making love to Jessica Biel all at the same time. Well, something like that
If Mo still had his early season jitters, V-Mart would have gotten around on one of those. The Mo we know laughs at such mortals.
Rocketbooster
05-29-09, 11:07 PM
If Mo still had his early season jitters, V-Mart would have gotten around on one of those. The Mo we know laughs at such mortals.
Mo doesn't have jitters...........every. The man is made of ice on the mound. If he struggles, it's usually for good reasons (early in the season, just being somewhat human or, in this case, coming off surgery). I really worship Mo - I almost think he's perfect. Forget that - he is perfect, lol (off the field as well).
The movement on his cutter was nasty tonight even though the velocity seemed to be down a bit.
CallOfTheCrow
05-29-09, 11:17 PM
http://i42.tinypic.com/mr8bop.jpg
roblyo33
05-29-09, 11:17 PM
^ Sweet!!
Rocketbooster
05-29-09, 11:21 PM
http://i42.tinypic.com/mr8bop.jpg
What a fantastic picture. When Mo retires, it will be a sad day for the sport......not just the Yankees.
Zeppelindays
05-29-09, 11:38 PM
The movement on his cutter was nasty tonight even though the velocity seemed to be down a bit.
I think the Yes gun was a bit screwy today. Uncertain though
roblyo33
05-29-09, 11:40 PM
On Cleveland's telecast the gun was 91-93
dadrumma
05-29-09, 11:51 PM
you know, there are so few real superstars in this game today and i look back and wish i couldve seen mantle or maris or dimaggio. even if it was just old timers day. mariano really reminds me like these legends. he honestly is a living legend. granted, jeter is fantastic, but he isnt there yet. mariano honestly is a legend. you get that feeling when you see him play. you get goosebumps when he enters the game. and he goes about his business like the old timers.
when i watch mariano in a game, imagine this is what it was like when everyone else was watching mantle and dimaggio.
parkerstrong
05-30-09, 06:22 AM
What a fantastic picture. When Mo retires, it will be a sad day for the sport......not just the Yankees.
Remember when he talked about retiring early? That was scary lol....and hopefully Mo doesnt retire anytime soon. He is still dominating, so there isn't a need to retire. The last negotiations he wanted a 3rd year in the deal, so hopefully that means he wants to play as long as he can. Maybe he can last like a knuckleballer? (I wish!)
Rocketbooster
05-30-09, 10:13 AM
Remember when he talked about retiring early? That was scary lol....and hopefully Mo doesnt retire anytime soon. He is still dominating, so there isn't a need to retire. The last negotiations he wanted a 3rd year in the deal, so hopefully that means he wants to play as long as he can. Maybe he can last like a knuckleballer? (I wish!)
The fact that he's lasted at least this long (40 years old) as a closer is just remarkable. This is the most intense, pressure filled position in the game - it burns out players left and right - and Mo has been doing the job superbly (brilliantly, use whatever adjective you like) for over 10 years........unbelievable. I think he'd be a great pitching coach - I'd love to see him stay in the organization, maybe in the minors because he loves working with the kids.
JohnnyEllis
05-30-09, 11:12 AM
Nice quotes on the 58th save for Pettitte milestone:
"It means we are old," Rivera said. "We've been playing together for a long time, that's what it means. It's great. I think nobody deserves that more than Andy. He's been a big guy for us, and I'm glad that I just follow and try to do my job."
..."It's awesome. He's awesome," Pettitte said. "What can you say? I feel honored to have been able to play with him for as long as I have. He's a tremendous person and a tremendous baseball player."
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090530&content_id=5042630&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy&partnerId=rss_nyy
just-blaze
05-30-09, 11:53 AM
26/1 K/BB ratio..... couldn't put up better video game stats than that.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
You're ridiculous Mo.
cyhughes22
05-30-09, 12:35 PM
Watching Mo is like eating lobster, drinking the finest wine, smoking the finest cigar and making love to Elisabetta Gregoraci, Megan Fox and Adriana Lima all at the same time. Well, something like that
Fixed it for you pal. Jessica Biel is not attractive. In fact I had to add 3 beautiful women to cancel her manishness out. But yeah Mo is great.
Epy7280
05-30-09, 12:45 PM
Fixed it for you pal. Jessica Biel is not attractive. In fact I had to add 3 beautiful women to cancel her manishness out. But yeah Mo is great.
Man I will take your fantasy over the other guy's fantasy in a heart beat.
The movement on his cutter was nasty tonight even though the velocity seemed to be down a bit.
The cutters to Sizemore looked like amazing sliders they had so much bite. Truly unhittable.
jeterismyhomeboy
05-30-09, 01:18 PM
The cutters to Sizemore looked like amazing sliders they had so much bite. Truly unhittable.
It feels almost criminal to call them cutters. They were so much more than that. Watching them, I was like, "Has Mo invented a new pitch?"
sweet_lou_14
05-30-09, 02:28 PM
The cutters to Sizemore looked like amazing sliders they had so much bite. Truly unhittable.
Combined with Sizemore's awful approach (trying to hit a 600-foot homer on every swing), it was like watching a man pitch against a child.
i loved the "it means we're old" comment. that is why mo is mo.
i loved the "it means we're old" comment. that is why mo is mo.
With a grin.... Mo is THE MAN!!!
Lots of "worth" for this pic!!!
http://i42.tinypic.com/mr8bop.jpg
Rocketbooster
05-30-09, 10:22 PM
http://kimberlyjones.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/05/the_visiting_clubhouse_in_clev.html
I posted this in the Tex thread as well, but Mo deserved his own mention:
Another save by Mo: Last night, we walked with Mariano from the clubhouse to the team bus. We had to go through the Indians family room and up a flight of stairs. At the base of the steps, a young Cleveland player and his wife were struggling with their baby's stroller. The player was holding their sleepy daughter and the wife couldn't manage to lift the stroller on the steps. So Mariano did what a lot of people wouldn't have -- he carried the stroller up the stairs. You should have seen the looks on the faces of the Indians player and his wife. They were completely in awe. Mariano and the couple exchanged some words in Spanish and then he got on the bus.
http://kimberlyjones.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/05/the_visiting_clubhouse_in_clev.html
I posted this in the Tex thread as well, but Mo deserved his own mention:
Another save by Mo: Last night, we walked with Mariano from the clubhouse to the team bus. We had to go through the Indians family room and up a flight of stairs. At the base of the steps, a young Cleveland player and his wife were struggling with their baby's stroller. The player was holding their sleepy daughter and the wife couldn't manage to lift the stroller on the steps. So Mariano did what a lot of people wouldn't have -- he carried the stroller up the stairs. You should have seen the looks on the faces of the Indians player and his wife. They were completely in awe. Mariano and the couple exchanged some words in Spanish and then he got on the bus.
He is the ideal role model!!
jesterno2
05-30-09, 10:28 PM
http://kimberlyjones.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/05/the_visiting_clubhouse_in_clev.html
I posted this in the Tex thread as well, but Mo deserved his own mention:
Another save by Mo: Last night, we walked with Mariano from the clubhouse to the team bus. We had to go through the Indians family room and up a flight of stairs. At the base of the steps, a young Cleveland player and his wife were struggling with their baby's stroller. The player was holding their sleepy daughter and the wife couldn't manage to lift the stroller on the steps. So Mariano did what a lot of people wouldn't have -- he carried the stroller up the stairs. You should have seen the looks on the faces of the Indians player and his wife. They were completely in awe. Mariano and the couple exchanged some words in Spanish and then he got on the bus.
:clapping: a once in a lifetime player, both on and off the field. oh and where can i get a copy of that poster with the signature?
when mariano retires, the team, the yankees organisation and baseball will be worse for it.
there's that velocity. 94 mph. i guess june 1st is the may of years past given his surgery this offseason. i honestly thought he wouldn't be above 92/93 this yr.
themgmt
06-02-09, 09:03 AM
1 pitch at 94, 1 at 92, the rest at 93.
1 pitch at 94, 1 at 92, the rest at 93.
Good rest so far this year. Should be beneficial come Sept./Oct.!!
35Knucklecurve
06-03-09, 11:09 AM
Mo doesn't have jitters...........every. The man is made of ice on the mound. If he struggles, it's usually for good reasons (early in the season, just being somewhat human or, in this case, coming off surgery). I really worship Mo - I almost think he's perfect. Forget that - he is perfect, lol (off the field as well).
Sometimes when they show shots of him out in the pen before he has to warm up, he looks like he's about 2 seconds away from a good nap - regular season, play-offs or WS - it doesn't matter. I've seen him yawn at times when most guys would be praying for a pair of Depends. :lol:
when mariano retires, the team, the yankees organisation and baseball will be worse for it.
If and when Mo is no longer able to get the final 3 outs he can be the Yanks late inning defensive replacement in CF.
He just wanted to make it more interesting today. ;)
b_joseph
06-04-09, 03:09 PM
He isnt vintage but still better than everyone else.
NYYDragoon
06-04-09, 03:10 PM
Remember when people said he was done?
genius-24
06-04-09, 03:10 PM
He isnt vintage but still better than everyone else.
40 years old and still dealing.
Yankee Tripper
06-04-09, 03:17 PM
28:1 just wow, unbelievable.
Spiker101
06-04-09, 03:41 PM
nerves of steel
especially today. He didn't have much today. got by on sheer guts.
roblyo33
06-04-09, 03:43 PM
especially today. He didn't have much today. got by on sheer guts.
Nelson Cruz thinks otherwise.........;)
dabomb2045
06-04-09, 04:43 PM
especially today. He didn't have much today. got by on sheer guts.
His stuff got real good in the Cruz and Murphy AB's.
CoyoteYankee
06-04-09, 04:52 PM
Remember when people said he was done?
Which time?
roblyo33
06-04-09, 05:35 PM
Which time?
Every April since, oh about, 2003.
He looked fine against Blaylock too, he just threw him in the same location 10 times in a row and Blaylock eventually did a good job lining it up the middle
teknetic
06-04-09, 06:23 PM
28:1 just wow, unbelievable.
I've walked 5 guys in MLB The Show '09 during the first three months, I'm not really sure how that's possible.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's saving his changeup until he hits 40. With his control, he could easily be dominant past that age.
dabomb2045
06-04-09, 06:28 PM
Which time?
I still remember starting a thread in April 2005 basically ripping the fan base for booing him---remember when he blew two early games against the Sox in April? the crowds turned on him, many on this board turned on him. Said he was done, how Gordon should close games against the Sox (LOL!!), how the Sox are in his head due to the 04 ALCS, how we need to find a replacement as closer. The booing and criticizing was out of control...and I had enough of it. I just rambled on in a post about how dumb and unappreciative our fanbase is, and anyone who booed Mo is NOT a real fan.
Man, was I fired up that day. I'm sure someone can find that thread if they tried lol.
Yankee Tripper
06-04-09, 06:28 PM
I was wondering, how long can he pitch? There were a lot of complaints about handing him that 3rd year in the last contract. I'm starting to wonder if maybe it shouldn't have been 4.
I'm only half serious.
NYYDragoon
06-04-09, 06:36 PM
I still remember starting a thread in April 2005 basically ripping the fan base for booing him---remember when he blew two early games against the Sox in April? the crowds turned on him, many on this board turned on him. Said he was done, how Gordon should close games against the Sox (LOL!!), how the Sox are in his head due to the 04 ALCS, how we need to find a replacement as closer. The booing and criticizing was out of control...and I had enough of it. I just rambled on in a post about how dumb and unappreciative our fanbase is, and anyone who booed Mo is NOT a real fan.
Man, was I fired up that day. I'm sure someone can find that thread if they tried lol.
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=81133
roblyo33
06-04-09, 07:18 PM
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=81133
That thread was started in 2005. It probably had similar re-runs in 06, 07, 08 and 09. When will people learn???
That thread was started in 2005. It probably had similar re-runs in 06, 07, 08 and 09. When will people learn???
When Mo retires and we all post... "Man, Mo really was that good." Hope that is a couple years (and a championship away).
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