View Full Version : Official 2009 Andy Pettitte Performance Thread
Ynkcpt23
04-10-09, 05:29 PM
(Mods please merge if this is extraneous--I didn't see another one)
He is looking great today--mixing his pitches well and moving around the zone. His velocity isn't great, but I'm sure it will improve.
YESSIR!
04-10-09, 05:50 PM
What a game from Andy. Totally beasted the Royals. He should have went 7 with 0ER; that double they gifted KC off Swishers glove was baloney.
And yes, that's right folks, you just watched our #4 starter shut the door. Great feeling.
Method_62
04-10-09, 05:58 PM
Great outing by Andy.
He and Jorge were on the same page from the get go.
OldYankeeFan
04-10-09, 05:59 PM
Looks like Andy is on a mission to prove he's no #4. Great to see.
Great outing Andy!
sweet_lou_14
04-10-09, 06:10 PM
If Andy is #4, he's the best #4 in the league.
If Andy is #4, he's the best #4 in the league.
Good start to the season Andy! Keep it up.
Rocketbooster
04-10-09, 06:13 PM
Really happy for Andy - what a job he did and what a great #4 he is.
Ynkcpt23
04-10-09, 06:16 PM
If Andy is #4, he's the best #4 in the league.
D*** straight! Aren't you glad the whole summer contract thing is over now!?!
jeterismyhomeboy
04-10-09, 06:25 PM
Great job today. Glad that he's the fourth.
roblyo33
04-10-09, 06:25 PM
Amazingly, Posada didn't screw him up today. (tongue firmly in cheek)
roblyo33
04-10-09, 06:26 PM
Graet job in what could/should have been a combined one hit shutout.
Shanghai Bob
04-10-09, 06:36 PM
Amazingly, Posada didn't screw him up today. (tongue firmly in cheek)
hehe...i was thinking the same thing. I firmly believe that game calling is a function of familiarity with the pitcher.
Yankee Tripper
04-10-09, 06:37 PM
May this be the start of a 2008 :moose: like season for Andy! God bless the 7 IP start.
YESSIR!
04-10-09, 06:41 PM
I hope one big lefty takes a cue from the other, and the big guy comes out tomorrow looking to out-do Dandy.
jimmykey2
04-10-09, 07:10 PM
He's no Jon Garland, but Andy did a halfway decent job today.
yankeeman61
04-10-09, 07:13 PM
Wait, I thought he was done? Oh yeah. That was the 2008 AP Performance Thread.
CharmedForever61
04-10-09, 07:16 PM
Pettitte absolutely did very well today. Was able to get many hitters out.
OldYankeeFan
04-10-09, 07:23 PM
Wait, I thought he was done? Oh yeah. That was the 2008 AP Performance Thread.Haha. Like Moose was done in 2007. Andy looks like he's on a mission.
yankeeman61
04-10-09, 07:27 PM
Haha. Like Moose was done in 2007. Andy looks like he's on a mission.
Jeter was done last year, too. Just so ya know.
ThePinStripes
04-10-09, 07:49 PM
I am so happy to see Andy succeed. The PED and winter negotiations made me a bit upset, but I can't help but smile when he does well. I absolutely love watching Pettitte succeed, more so than any other Yankee.
Thanks, Andy!
ThePinStripes
04-10-09, 07:50 PM
Really happy for Andy - what a job he did and what a great #4 he is.
But the Cubs/sox/rays have the best rotation!
susan mullen
04-11-09, 12:08 AM
Andy made his major league debut in Kansas City in 1995. The Royals haven't beat him since August 1999. (overheard on radio today).
StatenIslandYankee
04-11-09, 01:24 AM
Dandy Andy put on a clinic.
Yeah, he's pretty excellent sometimes.
smckdwn989
04-11-09, 08:38 AM
it's clear andy doesn't need to throw much more than 90mph to be effective. he was working all of his pitches, and looked great. sure the royals sported a heavy lefty lineup, but who cares, this was very encouraging and a great start to andy's season. momentum is a wonderful thing, and with two good starts in a row CC hopefully will continue the train and get us going on a nice winning streak.
b-ball-lunachick
04-11-09, 09:42 AM
Andy was awesome..nice to see all those strike out swinging and looking bad - even if it was tough for the batters to see. Great job Andy. :)
justinvarnes
04-11-09, 10:45 AM
I was listening to the game on XM in my car driving home, and somewhere in the middle of his outing after he had struck someone out, the announcers started talking about how he is just dominating both sides of the plate.
I actually chuckled a little evil chuckle when I remembered he's our 4th starter.
heh heh.
And fitting that he went up against Ponson, who I have no problem with and thought he did about as good as he could do for the Yanks last year. But it was a reminder of the kinds of pitchers that have been called upon to win games for this team over the past several years.
Ynkcpt23
04-11-09, 12:01 PM
I actually chuckled a little evil chuckle when I remembered he's our 4th starter.
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So did I--when CC and CMW start pitching the way that they're capable of, this is going to be a hellishly good rotation.
Trey Hillman called Andy a Hall of Famer on the XM pregame show today. Nice bit of praise, but a bit lofty I think. He was really complimenting all the Yankee players he used to manage in the minors. Seems like a good guy.
i predicted he'd have a good season. so far, so good.
35Knucklecurve
04-13-09, 01:26 PM
I think it's also helped Andy that all the attention is on CC and Burnett right now. Last year, he had to deal with the PED's and Clemens' fiasco, plus his son's accident. He really never had the time or energy to focus on baseball.
I was frustrated with the contract sideshow during the off season.....but I'd love to see him pull a 20-game season out of his hat this year. :moose:
I really want Andy to succeed this season too for more reasons than 1... not the least of which is he's borderline HoF candidate that could really use a couple more really good seasons.
I really want Andy to succeed this season too for more reasons than 1... not the least of which is he's borderline HoF candidate that could really use a couple more really good seasons.
sadly, he's not even border line.
sadly, he's not even border line.
I am talking about something like 4 more 12~15+ win seasons with 115+ERA+. It won't all be with us, but if he goes back to Houston he could do it. He'd be 41 then, old, but not unheard of. I recognize it's a very long shot but I'd love to see him in there.
I wouldn't even have brought this up if 35knuckle didn't mention he'd love to see Andy with 20 wins.
I am talking about something like 4 more 12~15+ win seasons with 115+ERA+. It won't all be with us, but if he goes back to Houston he could do it. He'd be 41 then, old, but not unheard of. I recognize it's a very long shot but I'd love to see him in there.
I wouldn't even have brought this up if 35knuckle didn't mention he'd love to see Andy with 20 wins.
he won't play for anyone other than the yankees. he won't play beyond this season. he's back for one final year, to see the new stadium.
he won't play for anyone other than the yankees. he won't play beyond this season. he's back for one final year, to see the new stadium.
Then it ain't happening =( I was hoping he'd keep chugging along.
Then it ain't happening =( I was hoping he'd keep chugging along.
have you listened to him for the last few years?
Apparently not as much as I should. I kind of tuned him out with the steroids stuff... Not just him, for a while I focused on numbers and the game and tried to avoid everything else.
Apparently not as much as I should. I kind of tuned him out with the steroids stuff... Not just him, for a while I focused on numbers and the game and tried to avoid everything else.
not a bad idea.
:D
Apparently not as much as I should. I kind of tuned him out with the steroids stuff... Not just him, for a while I focused on numbers and the game and tried to avoid everything else.
First, he claimed that he used HGH to help him recover from an arm injury. He should have done that under a doctor's supervision with full knowledge to the Yankee organization.
Second, if you tune out all athletes who use/have used PED's you'd have only a handful of players to follow. Your position is shortsighted in view of the times we live in. I don't condone it. I just note it is what it is, a rampant practice.
Andy
First, he claimed that he used HGH to help him recover from an arm injury. He should have done that under a doctor's supervision with full knowledge to the Yankee organization.
Second, if you tune out all athletes who use/have used PED's you'd have only a handful of players to follow. Your position is shortsighted in view of the times we live in. I don't condone it. I just note it is what it is, a rampant practice.
Andy
I totally agree with you but that doesn't mean I should care to listen to all the morbid details, dirty laundry, and accusations.
I totally agree with you but that doesn't mean I should care to listen to all the morbid details, dirty laundry, and accusations.
gotta do some laundry before i go away this weekend. thanks for reminding me.
gotta do some laundry before i go away this weekend. thanks for reminding me.
http://www.betterthanmomslaundry.com/
Cheaper in most cities too.
http://www.betterthanmomslaundry.com/
Cheaper in most cities too.
i live a little too far from NJ to use this, plus i have my own washing machine and dryer.
I do too. But every city I've lived in has had a laundry service. All cheaper than betterthanmom too in my experience.
I do too. But every city I've lived in has had a laundry service. All cheaper than betterthanmom too in my experience.
we don't have many over here. the local one is in the next town and it's not worth it. most peopel own their own machines.
(can't believe i'm discussing this.)
Can't believe I am letting everyone on the interweb known I am a lazy bum that won't do his own laundry.
Can't believe I am letting everyone on the interweb known I am a lazy bum that won't do his own laundry.
hahahah, around here, that'll bring acceptance.
bmxstreetrider86
04-15-09, 05:53 PM
andy pitched great today
YESSIR!
04-15-09, 05:54 PM
andy pitched great today
Indeed. Pettitte's showing why his signing was so important this offseason.
CT-Yankee
04-15-09, 05:54 PM
why is he being taken out? too many pitches?? Just turned it on...
bmxstreetrider86
04-15-09, 05:56 PM
why is he being taken out? too many pitches?? Just turned it on...
upton is a righty, my guess. seemed like a good time to take him out, he was less than 100 pitches
plus bruney mowed through the same hitters yesterday
LIYanks
04-15-09, 06:05 PM
Andy can still be counted on in big games. WTG
THEBOSS84
04-15-09, 06:14 PM
upton is a righty, my guess. seemed like a good time to take him out, he was less than 100 pitches
plus bruney mowed through the same hitters yesterday
Upton smoked two balls off of him - that would be my guess.
Nice job today Andy. Making me look smart in the Dice K vs. Pettitte thread.
CoyoteYankee
04-15-09, 06:26 PM
Great job by Pettitte. I missed most of the game because I was at work but those shots of him talking himself from the highlights were awesome!
Shanghai Bob
04-15-09, 06:35 PM
Looks like Andy is well on his way to turn his $5M guaranteed to the $12M he thought he deserved. That's what i call a "money pitcher".
Kidding aside, very strong start to the season.
Rocketbooster
04-15-09, 07:04 PM
Andy has just pitched beautifully - and he seems strong and healthy. What a #4 he is. I also underestimated how important he'd be in the clubhouse, especially with CC and AJ. AJ in particular has picked Andy's brain as to playing in NY and that sort of thing. Andy is just invaluable - and I was annoyed at him in the off-season. It really feels like he's never left, like those years in Houston were a mirage
Yankeesfan811
04-15-09, 07:06 PM
man, I'm really glad Pettite is off to a great start. I thought he deserved a win today, but oh well.
I hope he continues to pitch at this level and makes all the Pettitte uber-aggressive bashers from this off-season eat their words.
TheGameEpisode2
04-15-09, 07:48 PM
Pettitte was awesome, I think he's even a little shocked about how good he's been doing:
http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_mlb_experts__24/ept_sports_mlb_experts-706969595-1239835340.jpg?ymMb_GBDarDvVtjx
roblyo33
04-15-09, 07:50 PM
man, I'm really glad Pettite is off to a great start. I thought he deserved a win today, but oh well.
The team won so, I'm sure Andy is pleased with that.
b-ball-lunachick
04-15-09, 08:03 PM
Pettitte was awesome, I think he's even a little shocked about how good he's been doing:
http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_mlb_experts__24/ept_sports_mlb_experts-706969595-1239835340.jpg?ymMb_GBDarDvVtjx
Is that pic for real? :D
b-ball-lunachick
04-15-09, 08:04 PM
Andy definitely pitched well enough to get a win..great win today by the team. :)
JCAD522
04-15-09, 08:05 PM
Is that pic for real? :D
that pic was great:D:D:D
It seems like he has taken the Moose approach from last year. Hes changing speeds and mixing everything in like a good veteran pitcher should do. Im not going to expect him to win 20 games like Moose but he looks really good so far.
Rocketbooster
04-15-09, 08:13 PM
Is that pic for real? :D
Greatest pic ever, lol
jimmykey2
04-15-09, 08:41 PM
It seems like he has taken the Moose approach from last year. Hes changing speeds and mixing everything in like a good veteran pitcher should do. Im not going to expect him to win 20 games like Moose but he looks really good so far.
No Moose approach.
Andy really wasn't as bad as his numbers stated last season. His peripherals were similar to the best pitchers in baseball.
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2009/02/categorizing_pi_4.php
Normally, that means a pitcher will have good numbers overall. Pettitte didn't last year. Hopefully, he can be that solid again, but have a better ERA.
yankeeman61
04-16-09, 07:53 AM
No Moose approach.
Andy really wasn't as bad as his numbers stated last season. His peripherals were similar to the best pitchers in baseball.
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2009/02/categorizing_pi_4.php
Normally, that means a pitcher will have good numbers overall. Pettitte didn't last year. Hopefully, he can be that solid again, but have a better ERA.
Nah, he's "done". I read it in his performance thread on this very website.
35Knucklecurve
04-16-09, 08:03 AM
Good Lord....that photo is gonna be stuck in my head for the rest of the day. :lol: "Roger.....is that you?!"
Now that he's been able to put all that baggage from PED's and his son's accident behind him, I think he'll look more like the Pettitte we're used to seeing. He may not be able to pitch like he did five years ago, but then, very few can.
BRNXBMRS
04-16-09, 08:16 AM
Vintage Andy!!
YESSIR!
04-21-09, 08:17 PM
How you like me now?
I go BLAO!
It's the pitch that moves crowds
makin every hitter out...
What NOW!?
Haha, lovin' me some Andy.
smckdwn989
04-21-09, 08:19 PM
andy has been huge. consistent in every start he has made. he is clearly pitching like he has something to prove.
Is that pic for real? :D
Is that pic Andy or Dock Ellis during his no hitter?:P
swingsandmisses
04-21-09, 08:29 PM
Pettitte's been pitching like a man on a mission (to earn his 12 million dollars). The Yankees' most consistently strong starter so far this season by a mile.
yankees101
04-21-09, 08:56 PM
How you like me now?
I go BLAO!
It's the pitch that moves crowds
makin every hitter out...
What NOW!?
Haha, lovin' me some Andy.Love it. Some people may not get the reference though, but classic.
Bostonsfavson
04-21-09, 09:02 PM
Andy finding 12 million reasons to pitch well. A healthy Pettitte is still a very good pitcher.
YESSIR!
04-21-09, 09:02 PM
Love it. Some people may not get the reference though, but classic.
Haha, nice. I was hoping there'd be some hip-hop head out there that'd get it :D
yankeeman61
04-21-09, 09:02 PM
Andy should have hit the bricks like Mussina last year.
Andy finding 12 million reasons to pitch well. A healthy Pettitte is still a very good pitcher.
Yep, hope the good health sticks.
Rocketbooster
04-21-09, 09:04 PM
I wanted Andy back, but I admit that he really annoyed me this offseason. I thought the Yankees’ offer was more than fair…....That said, like with Mo and Posada, I put any bad feelings I had on the back burner once he signed. One thing that I underestimated was what an influence he is in the clubhouse. AJ’s locker is next to Andy’s and he apparently spent ST picking his brain ….....in fact, CC did as well. LOL AJ actually texted and called Andy a LOT after he signed, asking him when he was going to re-sign (even though they barely knew each other).
I never had any doubt he would bounce back.
Shanghai Bob
04-21-09, 09:19 PM
Andy Pettitte....Moving from the 5 spot to the Ace of the staff! I like it.
MikeHitman
04-21-09, 09:28 PM
Well what else can you say about Andy. The bullpen was gassed all weekend except for Sunday and they get even one more days rest with Andy giving us 8 strong innings. I love it
ThePinStripes
04-21-09, 09:29 PM
Well what else can you say about Andy. The bullpen was gassed all weekend except for Sunday and they get even one more days rest with Andy giving us 8 strong innings. I love it
He did?
I hope all the Yankee fans who talked about Pettitte's "greed" and "selfishness" this offseason and went on and on about wanting him kicked to the curb are enjoying watching him pitch so far.
MikeHitman
04-21-09, 09:33 PM
f*** typo there...7 very strong innings
pinstripesphanatic
04-21-09, 09:34 PM
I hope all the Yankee fans who talked about Pettitte's "greed" and "selfishness" this offseason and went on and on about wanting him kicked to the curb are enjoying watching him pitch so far.
I got quite annoyed with AP this offseason, but I wanted him back, was glad when he re-signed, and he's been terrific thus far. :D
TheInfallibleOne
04-21-09, 09:34 PM
Pettitte was awesome, I think he's even a little shocked about how good he's been doing:
http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_mlb_experts__24/ept_sports_mlb_experts-706969595-1239835340.jpg?ymMb_GBDarDvVtjx
You guys dont understand. Andy's got DirecTV in his glove. He probably just saw the ShamWow commercial or saw Susan Boyle on Britains Got Talent.
machphantom
04-21-09, 10:56 PM
God it's been such a pleasure to watch him pitch this year. Besides Wang, I love the way the rotation has shaped up this year.
ThunderFan
04-21-09, 11:00 PM
So far he's making me look stupid. I didn't want them to bring him back.
ThePinStripes
04-21-09, 11:02 PM
So far he's making me look stupid. I didn't want them to bring him back.
drop in the bucket :o
burtons
04-21-09, 11:40 PM
great job so far, andy...
35Knucklecurve
04-22-09, 07:52 AM
So far he's making me look stupid. I didn't want them to bring him back.
You've got company there - I was fed up with all the mind games during the off-season, but seeing him look like the "old" Andy is a blessing.
I thought this was pretty cool:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/22/sports/baseball/22yankees.html?th&emc=th
And when Rivera got the last three outs, it was the 57th time that he and Pettitte had combined for a win and a save since 1996, tying the record set by Oakland’s Bob Welch and Dennis Eckersley.
“It’s definitely special,” said Rivera, who has saved more than a quarter of Pettitte’s 216 career wins. “Andy’s had a tremendous career for the Yankees, and I just had to follow him.”
Sensing the occasion, Rivera returned to the clubhouse and handed the ball to Pettitte.
“You know what,” he told Rivera, handing it back, “you keep that one. Hopefully, if we’re able to break this thing one day, let me have the one we break it with.”
aeromac76
04-22-09, 07:54 AM
So far he's making me look stupid. I didn't want them to bring him back.
I am with you in this boat, I was ready to say see ya and just have Hughes with us.
With Wang's struggles, his addition here has been nothing short of a godsend.
yanksphan
04-22-09, 09:17 AM
I am with you in this boat, I was ready to say see ya and just have Hughes with us.
With Wang's struggles, his addition here has been nothing short of a godsend.
Same here. I hope he continues to prove me wrong.
YESSIR!
04-22-09, 09:26 AM
You've got company there - I was fed up with all the mind games during the off-season, but seeing him look like the "old" Andy is a blessing.
I thought this was pretty cool:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/22/sports/baseball/22yankees.html?th&emc=th
Haha, this is hilarious. I guarantee Mo was thinking, "I'll give him this ball so I can keep the one we break it with." Backfire! That's not the way to close, Mariano old boy.
smckdwn989
04-22-09, 09:28 AM
So far he's making me look stupid. I didn't want them to bring him back.
you do a pretty good job of that yourself... :D
i kid... i kid... but come on, you made that too easy
StatenIslandYankee
04-22-09, 09:36 AM
Andy is the best 5th spot rotation pitcher in baseball. END OF STORY.
Metroidman
04-22-09, 09:44 AM
Andy is the best 5th spot rotation pitcher in baseball. END OF STORY.
Eh? His rotation spot was 3 as I recall
Joba's in the 5th spot
Andy is the best 5th spot rotation pitcher in baseball. END OF STORY.
considering he's the forth starter, that isn't surprising.
Yankee Tripper
04-22-09, 11:46 AM
I was very happy they brought him back on the incentive laiden deal but his pitching so far has exceed my expectations. I really hope he keeps it up.
racerc03
04-24-09, 12:47 PM
not really an update on Pettite's performance, but i work up in boston and just saw him walking around the mall. Damn he is tall.
35Knucklecurve
04-24-09, 12:55 PM
not really an update on Pettite's performance, but i work up in boston and just saw him walking around the mall. Damn he is tall.
Yeah - I saw him and Mo walking back to the hotel from the mall in Cleveland and Mo looked like a little kid next to him. It's amazing how far Andy actually stretches during his delivery.
racerc03
04-24-09, 01:04 PM
Yah, he was with Coke, and even Coke being at 6-1 he seemed short.
goin for 27
04-26-09, 08:14 AM
Big Game Andy.....Please stem the tide.
The series is already lost, but please help to salvage something.....
burtons
04-26-09, 08:26 AM
honestly..., I would not expect much..., this series is a mess so far. I expected a good game yesterday, and we all know what happend. tonight a defeat would be not a shock for me but course I hope andy gets us a win...
For about the millionth time in his career the yanks are looking to him to stop a losing streak. The Sox are white hot right now though, not sure if anyone can slow down their bats.
Yankees1962
04-26-09, 09:57 AM
For about the millionth time in his career the yanks are looking to him to stop a losing streak. The Sox are white hot right now though, not sure if anyone can slow down their bats.
Good pitching will always top good hitting. The Yankees didn't pitch well this weekend.
35Knucklecurve
04-26-09, 11:39 AM
For about the millionth time in his career the yanks are looking to him to stop a losing streak. The Sox are white hot right now though, not sure if anyone can slow down their bats.
They are killling everything lately. For a bunch of guys who're supposedly aging fast, they seem to have found the fountain of youth and it couldn't come at a worse time. Andy's been through this many, many times before. I hope that's worth something tonight.
A gutty performance tonight, wont get the win because the yanks couldnt touch the Sox 6th starter but he gave them everything he had and saved the pen a little bit.
smckdwn989
04-26-09, 10:11 PM
gritty outting, gutted through 6, but the yankees couldn't really put runs on the board
Truthfully, Pettitte could have allowed 0 runs if not for the error and allowing the SB of home. That being said, Andy didn't get much offensive help from the Yankees and he could have lost 2-1 just as easily tonight. All in all, he kept the game close.
ZIM 2002
04-26-09, 10:30 PM
Agree that he gave it his all, but it's pretty pathetic that the hitters couldn't do anything against the pitcher filling in for Matsuzaka! :(
goin for 27
04-26-09, 10:55 PM
Great job Andy. Sorry your team let you down.
35Knucklecurve
04-27-09, 07:48 AM
For about the millionth time in his career the yanks are looking to him to stop a losing streak. The Sox are white hot right now though, not sure if anyone can slow down their bats.
ESPN cursed his start before he even took the mound. They pointed out that in games where Pettitte was pitching to avoid a sweep or to stop a losing streak, his record is 17-1. Now it's 17-2. Thank you so very much, ESPN. :mad:
I thought he looked very good - the change up is going to be a bigger part of his game.
Truthfully, Pettitte could have allowed 0 runs if not for the error and allowing the SB of home. That being said, Andy didn't get much offensive help from the Yankees and he could have lost 2-1 just as easily tonight. All in all, he kept the game close.
I was at a game in KC a few years back (2002) when AP allowed Mike Sweeney to steal home on him. Exactly the same thing happened yesterday.
bmxstreetrider86
04-27-09, 12:49 PM
andy gave it his all, but you seriously cant walk jacoby ellsbury.......ever
i'd take another 25 performances like that from andy this year.
JeterRodriguezSheff
04-28-09, 04:20 PM
the ironic thing is, if Matsuzaka wasnt on DL, I think Pettitte gets the win.
b_joseph
05-01-09, 08:06 PM
Tough start. Didnt have his command and it caught up with him at the end....
ThunderFan
05-01-09, 08:07 PM
AWFUL start. 13 baserunners in 5.2 innings against this horrible offense. Just pathetic.
Torre Must Go
05-01-09, 08:13 PM
If Pena makes that play, we're probably viewing the start differently. Melancon didn't do any favors.
followwind
05-01-09, 08:16 PM
I don't know. He clearly didn't have his stuff today but fought through 5 without giving up a run.
I mean had Pena got that grounder I think anyone will gladly take a 6 IP 2 ER game.
b_joseph
05-01-09, 08:16 PM
If Pena makes that play, we're probably viewing the start differently. Melancon didn't do any favors.Probably not. The opinion on the process doesnt change because of the result.
He's been good this season and one wild start isnt that bad.
swingsandmisses
05-01-09, 09:22 PM
If Andy had been pulled after five allowing no runs, it would have been considered a gritty effort even with all the baserunners since he clearly had no control from the outset. The rain was a killer in the sixth inning, Pena probably makes the play if the ball isn't skidding off the wet grass. Girardi should keep Andy on a shorter leash; he managed Moose's innings almost perfectly last year, but Andy always seemed to be left out there two batters too long. Earth to Joe, Andy's not 25 anymore and shouldn't be pitching in a downpour having already logged 90+ pitches and flirting with disaster all night.
Dannman103
05-01-09, 09:26 PM
Earth to Joe, Andy's not 25 anymore and shouldn't be pitching in a downpour having already logged 90+ pitches and flirting with disaster all night.
Can you blame him for not wanting to go to this bullpen. I think we all were hoping that Andy could get through six and leave with the lead. Maybe Joe left him in for one batter too many, but I get the logic of trying to get him through six and only need the middle guys to get 6 outs.
Anyone else think Andy may have been overly preoccupied with the runners after the Ellsbury steal of home? He seemed concerned to the point of distraction to me.
Can you blame him for not wanting to go to this bullpen. I think we all were hoping that Andy could get through six and leave with the lead. Maybe Joe left him in for one batter too many, but I get the logic of trying to get him through six and only need the middle guys to get 6 outs.
Anyone else think Andy may have been overly preoccupied with the runners after the Ellsbury steal of home? He seemed concerned to the point of distraction to me.
Completely agree- it's one thing when it's a one run difference, but 4 runs it's just paranoia. Especially when Girardi had to come out and tell Andy to get his mind off it.
BxBomber44
05-01-09, 10:00 PM
It's all about command, he has to find it again.
AWFUL start. 13 baserunners in 5.2 innings against this horrible offense. Just pathetic.
I wouldnt say it was pathetic, thats a little strong but not one of his best. Still though he leaves the game with the team in the lead and a chance for the win. Thats 2 straight nights where our starters didnt have close to their best stuff and still gave us a chance to win, I will take that. If Melancon makes a better pitch to Gary Matthews than Andys line looks a little better.
junkman73
05-02-09, 08:07 AM
I thought Andy did a great job when he clearly did not have his best command. If Pena picks up that grounder its a 6IP, 2ER effort. No complaints there.
I also thought the offense stopped working the count in the middle innings and allowed Weaver to catch his breath.
Girardi needs to get that pen squared away. I thought it was a strength of the team last year, and thus far I cringe when he makes his way to the mound. Outside of Wang and Burnett in Boston and CC in Baltimore on opening day, the rotation has not been bad.
I thought Andy did a great job when he clearly did not have his best command. If Pena picks up that grounder its a 6IP, 2ER effort. No complaints there.
I also thought the offense stopped working the count in the middle innings and allowed Weaver to catch his breath.
Girardi needs to get that pen squared away. I thought it was a strength of the team last year, and thus far I cringe when he makes his way to the mound. Outside of Wang and Burnett in Boston and CC in Baltimore on opening day, the rotation has not been bad.
i agree with all this except that the bullpen doesn't worry me. veras has clearly lost the plot but the others should be fine once the rotation are all going deep into games.
apalradio
05-07-09, 06:30 PM
After a putrid first inning, how desperate are we for Andy to turn this around and convert this into a respectable performance? It sickens me to see us fall behind early in a game yet again. I don't expect Cy Young here, but I certainly would like to see Andy shut the door so that we don't suffer the indignity of still another hapless loss.
YankeesAce4Life
05-07-09, 07:07 PM
Now that just ruined my night. :mad:
Pettitte's so addled by tonight's sad turn of events that he forgot how many games they've lost in a row. FIVE, Andy. Five. Not four. FIVE.
Rocketbooster
05-07-09, 10:46 PM
terribly disappointing performance from Andy - got off to a very bad start, then I thought he settled in. Giving up the game tying HR was crushing........he didn't give us what we needed tonight.
Just to inject some sense into this madness...
with tonight, Andy's ERA for the season is 4.38 and he's averaging 6.5 IP per start... which very easily puts him on pace for about 210 IPs for the year barring injuries.
4.38 ERA and 210 IPs, that pretty much sounds exactly what we signed up for. I mean, 4.38 is a bit high, but I am pretty sure, judging by posts in this particular thread, that's basically what we signed up for.
For a No. 4/5... that's really not bad at all.
JeterForPresident
05-08-09, 12:09 AM
Just to inject some sense into this madness...
with tonight, Andy's ERA for the season is 4.38 and he's averaging 6.5 IP per start... which very easily puts him on pace for about 210 IPs for the year barring injuries.
4.38 ERA and 210 IPs, that pretty much sounds exactly what we signed up for. I mean, 4.38 is a bit high, but I am pretty sure, judging by posts in this particular thread, that's basically what we signed up for.
As a 4th or 5th starter in the AL East, thats about all you can ask for. I wonder if a 4.35 and 200+ IP would get Andy to the milestones needed for extra money in the contract signed.
As a 4th or 5th starter in the AL East, thats about all you can ask for. I wonder if a 4.35 and 200+ IP would get Andy to the milestones needed for extra money in the contract signed.
His milestones are based on days on active roster and IP. 210 IP gets him 4.5 million and 2M for 180 days (basically whole season+)
So if he pitches 210IP he's basically got 13 million in the bank.
Rocketbooster
05-08-09, 07:29 AM
Just to inject some sense into this madness...
with tonight, Andy's ERA for the season is 4.38 and he's averaging 6.5 IP per start... which very easily puts him on pace for about 210 IPs for the year barring injuries.
4.38 ERA and 210 IPs, that pretty much sounds exactly what we signed up for. I mean, 4.38 is a bit high, but I am pretty sure, judging by posts in this particular thread, that's basically what we signed up for.
For a No. 4/5... that's really not bad at all.
That's true, but unfortunately he's no longer the #4/5. He's a number 3............not that it's his fault he is, but still........this is reality
Just to inject some sense into this madness...
with tonight, Andy's ERA for the season is 4.38 and he's averaging 6.5 IP per start... which very easily puts him on pace for about 210 IPs for the year barring injuries.
4.38 ERA and 210 IPs, that pretty much sounds exactly what we signed up for. I mean, 4.38 is a bit high, but I am pretty sure, judging by posts in this particular thread, that's basically what we signed up for.
For a No. 4/5... that's really not bad at all.
Yea you cant ask for much more than that from a 4 or 5 starter and Im sure he will still have the occasional game where he is just brilliant.
swingsandmisses
05-13-09, 10:18 PM
First Yankee starter to 3 wins, yay. Decent outing despite the walks.
burtons
05-13-09, 11:22 PM
hehe...think positiv..., I'm happy we won, and hope it gets better...
Shanghai Bob
05-14-09, 06:25 AM
That's true, but unfortunately he's no longer the #4/5. He's a number 3............not that it's his fault he is, but still........this is reality
How is that?
The Q Bomb
05-14-09, 06:35 AM
First Yankee starter to 3 wins, yay... Wow - that's unbelievable on May 14th.
Dates of the first Yankee to reach 3 wins in the past 10 seasons:
2009: Pettitte 3-1 on May 14 (Game 33)
2008: Wang 3-0 on April 11 (Game 11)
2007: Wang 3-3 on May 21 (Game 43)
2006: Johnson 3-2 on April 23 (Game 17)
2005: Mussina 3-2 on May 7 (Game 31)
2004: Brown 3-0 on April 14 (Game 9)
2003: Mussina 3-0 on April 15 (Game 13)
2002: Mussina 3-0 on April 14 (Game 13)
2001: Pettitte 3-1 on April 20 (Game 17)
2000: Nelson 3-0 on April 16 (Game 11)
Rocketbooster
05-14-09, 07:50 AM
How is that?
CC, AJ, Andy, Joba..........With Wang in the rotation, Andy was going up teams' #4 starters - his stats look better as a #4 because he's better than most teams' #4. Now he's the #3.........and he's not as good as many teams' #3.........
Good job by Andy tonight - nice to see us getting innings from our starters.
BRNXBMRS
05-14-09, 08:11 AM
Andy didnt have it last night, but gutted it out like the pro that he is. AJ should take notes.
Ynkcpt23
05-14-09, 08:16 AM
Andy didnt have it last night, but gutted it out like the pro that he is. AJ should take notes.
That's one thing you've always been able to say about Andy--he gives you everything that he's got and last night was just another good example. Of course, the offense putting up a five spot early doesn't hurt! :)
BRNXBMRS
05-14-09, 08:27 AM
That's one thing you've always been able to say about Andy--he gives you everything that he's got and last night was just another good example. Of course, the offense putting up a five spot early doesn't hurt! :)
True, but its about time the offense wakes up. Andy is the man.
Rocketbooster
05-14-09, 08:29 AM
Andy didnt have it last night, but gutted it out like the pro that he is. AJ should take notes.
That is really not fair to AJ. Aside from one game (Boston), he has definitely battled and kept his team in the games ...........I'm not going to post the game log again (you can get that from the AJ thread - I posted it yesterday), but it's all there in black and white.
Typical Andy start last night, a lot of hits given up and a lot of baserunners but the end result is 6 innings and only 2 runs allowed.
Micky Rivers's Bat
05-14-09, 08:39 AM
Very happy they signed Andy in the offseason. Imagine the rotation if they had not.
justtxyank
05-14-09, 09:01 AM
Andy didnt have it last night, but gutted it out like the pro that he is. AJ should take notes.
Burnett gave you 7 innings of 3 run ball on Tuesday without his best stuff and is sent back out for the 8th, (lol Joe) and gives up two more.
Andy gives you 6 innings of 2 run ball.
Burnett's a bum who needs to take notes from a season pro like Andy...
BRNXBMRS
05-14-09, 09:15 AM
Burnett gave you 7 innings of 3 run ball on Tuesday without his best stuff and is sent back out for the 8th, (lol Joe) and gives up two more.
Andy gives you 6 innings of 2 run ball.
Burnett's a bum who needs to take notes from a season pro like Andy...
So youre saying Andys not a pro?
BRNXBMRS
05-14-09, 09:16 AM
That is really not fair to AJ. Aside from one game (Boston), he has definitely battled and kept his team in the games ...........I'm not going to post the game log again (you can get that from the AJ thread - I posted it yesterday), but it's all there in black and white.
It seems like AJ has that one bad inning and it gets in his head. My point was Andy didnt have his stuff walk a few batters and still battled through it. AJ is a great pitcher.
justtxyank
05-14-09, 09:20 AM
So youre saying Andys not a pro?
Andy is a pro. So is CC. So is AJ.
If Girardi didn't try (again) to get one more inning out of him, his line would have been 7 innings of 3 run ball.
Andy gave you 6 innings of 2 run ball.
I didn't mean to knock Andy in any way, I just don't get why AJ should be taking notes from Andy on how to give a good outing without his best stuff. Maybe Girardi should be the one taking notes from somebody about when to let your pitcher call it a night.
35Knucklecurve
05-14-09, 03:05 PM
Andy is a pro. So is CC. So is AJ.
If Girardi didn't try (again) to get one more inning out of him, his line would have been 7 innings of 3 run ball.
Andy gave you 6 innings of 2 run ball.
I didn't mean to knock Andy in any way, I just don't get why AJ should be taking notes from Andy on how to give a good outing without his best stuff. Maybe Girardi should be the one taking notes from somebody about when to let your pitcher call it a night.
Yep - I'm inclined to agree with you. The only negative that I can see about AJ so far is that he seems to get too psyched up for the games that carry a lot of "baggage" - the Boston game and one against his former team. Andy's always been more even tempered out there, no matter who he's facing or when. AJ will settle down - he's already said he realizes what he's doing. It's just easier said than done to control your emotions sometimes.
Rocketbooster
05-14-09, 11:56 PM
It seems like AJ has that one bad inning and it gets in his head. My point was Andy didnt have his stuff walk a few batters and still battled through it. AJ is a great pitcher.
I'm sure he's not a great pitcher, though I love the guy - but regardless of how he's gotten there, AJ has absolutely battled this year. Believe me, Andy has had some low moments this year as well - for one, he was awful last out. I'm not criticizing him, but some of the knocks on AJ are just unfair.
Rocketbooster
05-14-09, 11:59 PM
Yep - I'm inclined to agree with you. The only negative that I can see about AJ so far is that he seems to get too psyched up for the games that carry a lot of "baggage" - the Boston game and one against his former team. Andy's always been more even tempered out there, no matter who he's facing or when. AJ will settle down - he's already said he realizes what he's doing. It's just easier said than done to control your emotions sometimes.
I don't see how you can say that about his game in Toronto. The guy had the daylights booed out of him and he came out smoking...........he had one bad inning (ok, sort of two), but I don't think that had anything to do with the emotional "baggage" of the game. If he was too emotional yesterday, he would have been brutal from the beginning.
i'd take that every night.
burtons
05-18-09, 11:12 AM
come on, andy...help us to sweep the twins...
35Knucklecurve
05-19-09, 08:05 AM
Andy was really upset with himself last night. The camera was on him for almost a full minute after he sat down in the dugout. He was talking to himself, head in his hands and when he finally looked up, I don't think he blinked his eyes the whole time.
Well anyway, congrats, Andy, on being #3 on the Yankee all-time K's list.....1,600 and counting.
JavyVazquezIsSick
05-19-09, 08:12 AM
I'm happy we finally got a pitcher a win.
I'm happy we finally got a pitcher a win.
presume you mean a starting pitcher.
;)
Andy was throwing melons last night, but some how found a way to win.
Stache Fan
05-19-09, 02:57 PM
Andy is 4-1, the best record in the Yankees' rotation. Is this some kind of sick, twisted joke, that the guy who went 14-14 last year would be outpitching two ace fireballers and a quality sinkerballer?
Yankee Fan in Boston
05-19-09, 02:58 PM
Andy is 4-1, the best record in the Yankees' rotation. Is this some kind of sick, twisted joke, that the guy who went 14-14 last year would be outpitching two ace fireballers and a quality sinkerballer?
Maybe he'll win 20 and retire.
Yankee Tripper
05-19-09, 03:04 PM
Maybe he'll win 20 and retire.i think i saw that movie
Rocketbooster
05-19-09, 05:17 PM
Andy is 4-1, the best record in the Yankees' rotation. Is this some kind of sick, twisted joke, that the guy who went 14-14 last year would be outpitching two ace fireballers and a quality sinkerballer?
He's really not pitched that well - I wouldn't say he's outpitching them at all.
bomber999
05-23-09, 04:21 PM
Not good enough, Andy, to be outpitched by a rookie who has been a relief pitcher.
YankeesAce4Life
05-23-09, 04:21 PM
Not good enough, Andy, to be outpitched by a rookie who has been a relief pitcher.
Did you really expect anything different?
bomber999
05-23-09, 04:24 PM
Did you really expect anything different?
Sadly, no.
Yankees47
05-23-09, 04:24 PM
The walls have to be moved back, this is like watching a home run derby, i cant wait till they go back on the road to get back to watching an actual baseball game rather than a decently hit pop up or a line drive being a home run,
gotnoname19
05-23-09, 04:25 PM
Gosh, AJ, Petitte, Wang..............Really disapointing.
bomber999
05-23-09, 04:30 PM
The walls have to be moved back, this is like watching a home run derby, i cant wait till they go back on the road to get back to watching an actual baseball game rather than a decently hit pop up or a line drive being a home run,
It's a shame that it's only a home run derby for Philadelphia. Perhaps they could move the fences back only for the road team.
BTW, Ibanez's shot was not a YS home run. That was smoked.
Yankees Pride
05-23-09, 04:37 PM
Pettitte pitched himself into that situation, of course, but he did pitch the rookie the way he should have. You have to challenge the kid in his second ML AB to beat you there and he did. Kudos.
AnA-bombforA-rod
05-23-09, 04:38 PM
It's not Andy's fault this lineup can't touch some scrub from Philadelphia.
YankeesAce4Life
05-23-09, 04:52 PM
Sadly, no.
Same here...:o
junkman73
05-23-09, 04:56 PM
Not good enough, Andy, to be outpitched by a rookie who has been a relief pitcher.
You can't complain about giving up 5 hits in 7IP to the World Champs. The point you make with your statement is that the offense didn't show up.
But everyone here knows that the easiest way to beat the Yanks is to throw a pitcher at them that they have never seen.
YESSIR!
05-23-09, 04:57 PM
Pettitte pitched himself into that situation, of course, but he did pitch the rookie the way he should have. You have to challenge the kid in his second ML AB to beat you there and he did. Kudos.
I agree with challenging him, but you don't leave a cupcake up in the zone like that. You need to not fall behind in th ecount and throw better strikes.
swingsandmisses
05-23-09, 05:02 PM
Andy's actually looked reasonably sharp today. He had excellent command on the corners but the umpire wouldn't call them strikes. Way fewer baserunners on today than he's been allowing in the last month. Just got beat with two runners on, unfortunately. Meanwhile his teammates are unable to hit a one pitch pitcher who barely throws 90 mph.
Yankees Pride
05-23-09, 05:02 PM
I agree with challenging him, but you don't leave a cupcake up in the zone like that. You need to not fall behind in th ecount and throw better strikes.
I know. Unfortunately, he hasn't thrown quality strikes for a couple of starts now.
smckdwn989
05-23-09, 05:53 PM
andy was fine, he made one mistake and paid for it. but his stuff was much better than his previous outings
junkman73
05-23-09, 06:22 PM
It was interesting to watch Andy pitch today. You could tell he was getting a little baffled by the zone. Especially when he was painting the outside to righties. It looked as if he started to throw the cutter off the plate in an effort to catch the outside corner instead of the one that bears in on the righties.
outside of the 2 HRs, I thought his control looked pretty good. he got them thru 7 and kept it close. nice solid effort against a good hitting club.
Shanghai Bob
05-23-09, 06:26 PM
andy was fine, he made one mistake and paid for it. but his stuff was much better than his previous outings
I felt like that the walk before the HR hurt more in retrospect.
Overall I was more than happy by Pettitte's effort. Gave us length and almost a QS.
burtons
05-24-09, 12:39 AM
there is still more to come from him..., he was okay...
andy is probably the best fourth starter out there. he's doing what we need. he's giving us innings and keeping us in games.
Any news on what happened to him?
Hellsing
05-29-09, 09:56 PM
Any news on what happened to him?
Early report is an injured back.
This might be an opening for Wang.
Any news on what happened to him?"Lower back stiffness"--YES.
Yankees13
05-29-09, 10:01 PM
Shouldn't be anything serious, but I always worry with back issues. Maybe a chance for Wang to get a start to prove himself.
Shouldn't be anything serious, but I always worry with back issues. Maybe a chance for Wang to get a start to prove himself.
I would expect them to be very careful with this. Wang is back.
themgmt
05-29-09, 10:25 PM
"Lower back stiffness"--YES.
No need to celebrate.
1936-1939JoeNLou
05-29-09, 10:43 PM
Dandy Andy!
roblyo33
05-29-09, 10:45 PM
"Gritty" performance tonite.
Yankeesfan811
05-29-09, 10:48 PM
gutty and gritty tonight Andy. I hope you aren't too hurt, we need your arm in this rotation.
smckdwn989
05-29-09, 10:48 PM
i'm sure he'll be fine. again, another game where he didn't have his best stuff but he grinded it out and got another W.
AnA-bombforA-rod
05-29-09, 10:51 PM
Grinded it out tonight, hope he is OK, but I expect we will see Wang in Andy's next turn.
Back issues are never good for a pitcher but he did come out the next inning after the initial pull or whatever it was and pitch fine. Hopefully taking him out was just precautionary. If not then he sits his next turn and Wang goes
Rocketbooster
05-29-09, 11:02 PM
I would skip Andy's turn and pitch Wang. I'm still not confident in Wang yet, but we've got to be careful.....Give Andy the extra time even if it's not serious and we'll end up preventing something more serious.
RogerYY
05-30-09, 06:42 AM
Hope he's ok. Good game!
Stache Fan
05-30-09, 07:49 AM
Andy is 5-1.....
How is this possible? Pettitte for Cy Young!!!1!!11!11!
nnysiny
05-30-09, 08:11 AM
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/05/30/pettitte-ill-make-my-next-start/
Pettitte made a sour face when asked if he would miss his next start.
“No, no, no,” he said. “I’ll be there.”
Girardi also said he expects Pettitte to be there. But the Yankees will keep an eye on him. There is no sense risking further injury at this point in the season, especially with Chien-Ming Wang twiddling his thumbs.
Tonight marked the 58th time that Mariano Rivera saved a victory for Pettitte. That broke the record held by Dennis Eckersley and Bob Welch.
the_coach
05-30-09, 08:22 AM
No need to celebrate.
I see what you did there... ;)
Mr.Muhozi
05-30-09, 09:19 AM
Andy is 5-1.....
How is this possible? Pettitte for Cy Young!!!1!!11!11!
lol, not if halladay has anything to say about it
swingsandmisses
05-30-09, 10:36 AM
Andy seems to have an uncanny ability to pitch to the level of his competition. His peripherals aren't so hot, but the Yankees are 8-2 in his starts, and he just outdueled the reigning Cy Young winner.
this is why i wanted him back. people were ragging on him during the winter, saying we didn't need him. the guy is class and can pitch.
hellonewman
05-30-09, 03:14 PM
He had some back issues around 1997 and 1998, didn't he?
EDIT:
• Andy Pettitte felt much better and in fact rode a bike and played catch. He said he’ll be ready for his next start.
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/
roblyo33
06-02-09, 11:39 AM
I thought Andy was going to die laughing after Joba's "Belly Flop" last night. Andy and CC couldn't stop laughing. btw, it was a fantastic, game changing play.
themgmt
06-02-09, 11:41 AM
I thought Andy was going to die laughing after Joba's "Belly Flop" last night. Andy and CC couldn't stop laughing. btw, it was a fantastic, game changing play.
Andy Pettitte is a starting Pitcher!
roblyo33
06-02-09, 12:17 PM
Andy Pettitte is a starting Pitcher!
Dont you mean PITCHAAAAAAAAAAA
Snatch Catch
06-03-09, 02:18 PM
Of course my first game in a month is tonight.
Of course.
THEBOSS84
06-03-09, 02:20 PM
Of course my first game in a month is tonight.
Of course.
Haha. I turned down tickets for tonight for that reason and the rain.
Yankee Tripper
06-03-09, 02:22 PM
Of course my first game in a month is tonight.
Of course.
hmmm...I've got Andy on 2 fantasy teams. Sit or start?
YESSIR!
06-03-09, 06:49 PM
hmmm...I've got Andy on 2 fantasy teams. Sit or start?
Sit might have been the prudent choice. Andy looks pretty bad so far tonight.
Snatch Catch
06-03-09, 06:53 PM
Of course my first game in a month is tonight.
Of course.
If any more of my tickets this year fall on a Pettitte start I'm not even going to try and sell them. I'm just going to light them on fire.
DaSh 1s
06-03-09, 06:54 PM
Andy Pettitte is a starting Pitcher!
ATROCIOUSSSS
Rocketbooster
06-03-09, 07:00 PM
Andy has absolutely nothing and I wouldn't be surprised to see him give up another 3 or 4 runs next inning. All I want is for him to hold the fort (bad job in the 2nd giving up the run the Yankees scored in the first) and give this gutsy, fiery team a chance to come back.
I hope his back is ok..........
b_joseph
06-03-09, 07:04 PM
Bad back...complains of a bad back...struggles through 5 innings in previous game because of bad back.
Does he miss his next start? Oh no, an old guy with a bad back is always quick to recover!!!!!!!
ICEBERG18
06-03-09, 07:05 PM
This is going on 7 starts now that he hasn't been particularly good, I'll give you the Toronto game.
If Joba was pitching this way, wow.
Torre Must Go
06-03-09, 07:05 PM
Hughes should get his start next time around.
teknetic
06-03-09, 07:09 PM
Painful watching him pitch.
b_joseph
06-03-09, 07:12 PM
In all fairness, that was an awesome comeback
jesterno2
06-03-09, 07:15 PM
this is very unlike andy... im watching gamecast so i cant see but high pitch counts and lots of k's? granted im sure the hitters are helpoing him out and its good to see that he is somewhat keeping it within reason but this is pretty disconcerting... wonder if his back is bothering more than he let on. :-/
It was the third time in Pettitte's career that he had a game with at least 6 strikeouts and at least 6 walks. Both of the previous times were in 1998.
Yankee Fan in Boston
06-03-09, 08:04 PM
Hughes should get his start next time around.
mmmmm... time for an Andy to the pen thread? ;)
primetime714
06-03-09, 08:08 PM
Andy should have never made this start. He clearly isn't 100% and with 6 starters in the mix skip him and get him right.
With that said the guy is still one hell of a gamer. Few if any guys can battle like he can when the stuff is not there.
YESSIR!
06-03-09, 08:17 PM
Andy should have never made this start. He clearly isn't 100% and with 6 starters in the mix skip him and get him right.
With that said the guy is still one hell of a gamer. Few if any guys can battle like he can when the stuff is not there.
I had a similar thought, but who goes tonight if not Andy? Wang on 2 days rest (41 pitches) or CC on 3? They really didn't have many other options.
AcidLake
06-03-09, 08:20 PM
andy should stop be selfish; stop pitching for awhile and rest till your back's good
NYYDragoon
06-03-09, 08:21 PM
andy should stop be selfish; stop pitching for awhile and rest till your back's goodGotta make those dollars. That's some serious motivation.
Had absolutely nothing tonight but still kept us somewhat in the game. I think hes fine and should make his next start.
Rocketbooster
06-03-09, 09:26 PM
Had absolutely nothing tonight but still kept us somewhat in the game. I think hes fine and should make his next start.
I’ve read that Andy did not look good covering first (forget what inning it was). His next turn needs to be skipped and also he needs to be examined…..I don’t want something relatively minor turning into something serious.
How many innings did he pitch anyway? I was kind of flipping back and forth and didn't spend a lot of time watching the game......
Had absolutely nothing tonight but still kept us somewhat in the game. I think hes fine and should make his next start.
I hope not. His back is not good and I think DL him is good for the team. Let him rest, so he can come back strong.
CT-Yankee
06-03-09, 10:14 PM
He looked like his back was a problem covering first. I am really sick of Andy battling (stubborn) when there is a real problem. Aches and pains are one thing but any time he has been bad, you always hear later he wasn't right.
JohnnyEllis
06-03-09, 10:18 PM
You do have to wonder if the incentives played an unhealthy role in his decision to pitch tonight. Anyone who watched that replay of him running to cover 1B saw that he obviously could have used the rest.
Rocketbooster
06-03-09, 10:19 PM
Now I just read that, on the YES post-game, Andy said that he hasn’t thrown his bullpen between starts because of the back issue that he had. His command has been off so he definitely has to throw between his next start
Wow, that’s disgraceful that the Yankees allowed Andy to take his turn when he couldn’t even throw BP. Unbelievable…....they are playing around with his back and it could lead to even more serious back problems, nevermind arm problems
Andy is a warrior, he fights through a lot of minor injuries that he rarely talks about.
That being said, I can easily see him saying that this is his last season. Playing in pain just isn't fun and the team has some young pitchers who could looking to win that rotation spot.
themgmt
06-03-09, 10:21 PM
His motion looked off from the start. Should have skipped the start. Should probably skip his next start and let Hughes Go.
TEX Wang
TB CC
TB Joba
TB AJ
TB Hughes
Rocketbooster
06-03-09, 10:21 PM
You do have to wonder if the incentives played an unhealthy role in his decision to pitch tonight. Anyone who watched that replay of him running to cover 1B saw that he obviously could have used the rest.
Shouldn't the Yankees be making these decisions?
CT-Yankee
06-03-09, 10:27 PM
Skip him. Go to Hughes for the next start.
Yankee Tripper
06-03-09, 10:31 PM
Too, many, walks, Too, many, walks. It's been that way too much this year.
I’ve read that Andy did not look good covering first (forget what inning it was). His next turn needs to be skipped and also he needs to be examined…..I don’t want something relatively minor turning into something serious.
How many innings did he pitch anyway? I was kind of flipping back and forth and didn't spend a lot of time watching the game......
I mustve missed that play, dont remember it but if thats true then he should get a second look from the team doctors. Andy cannot be succesful at this stage in his career without being able to locate and he wasnt tonight, wether thats a manifestation of the back problem or just a hiccup in his delivery, it cant continue.
CT-Yankee
06-03-09, 10:44 PM
Shouldn't the Yankees be making these decisions?
Given the track record with injuries lately,they should.
BRNXBMRS
06-04-09, 08:05 AM
Any word on Andys back after the game? Is he going to make his next start?
OldYankeeFan
06-04-09, 08:41 AM
Shouldn't the Yankees be making these decisions?Kind of tough to do if Andy was covering it up, which it definately appeared he did to me as he struggled to cover first.
I can't totally blame Andy though as he saw how tough it was for Wang to get back in the rotation and thought he could gut it out. He couldn't. Now it's time to rest it.
Yankee Tripper
06-04-09, 08:47 AM
Its kind of funny. Andy battles through 5, keeps his team in the game after coughing up 3 in the first. Allows 13 base runners but no extra base hits and Ks more than a batter per inning. If Hughes did that people would be saying how great it was he limited the damage w/o his best stuff. Weird.
That said, I agree - he looks out of whack with the back. He should be skipped next time through to make sure he's healthy.
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