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yanksphan
03-23-09, 09:59 AM
http://38pitches.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/curt-schilling/general/calling-it-quits/
By Curt Schilling
“Turn out the lights the party’s over” …
I used to wait with bated breath for Don Meredith to start singing that on Monday night football. Normally it was sweet music if the Steelers were playing.
If I could get him to sing it again I would. This party has officially ended. After being blessed to experience 23 years of playing professional baseball in front of the world’s best fans in so many different places, it is with zero regrets that I am making my retirement official.
eaganmafia
03-23-09, 10:12 AM
However you feel about the man, tip your cap to a hell of a career.
TheGameEpisode2
03-23-09, 10:26 AM
You were part of the two most hurtful sport moments of my life, but you were a hell of a pitcher, Curt.
:clap: :clap: on a great career.
dabomb2045
03-23-09, 10:27 AM
Dont like the man's personality....but you cant deny his greatness as a pitcher. Enjoy retirement.
Yankeeah
03-23-09, 10:27 AM
The best moment of his career
you can bite my ass,
You're an idiot.
effdamets
03-23-09, 10:28 AM
However you feel about the man, tip your cap to a hell of a career.
I agree!
Not my favorite player by any stretch of the imagination, but......
You got to do what every Little Leaguer dreams of doing!
Being a former professional athlete myself, I understand the tough decision to call it quits and move on.
Best of luck to you in whatever you decide to do!
Reggie Smith
03-23-09, 10:35 AM
Depending on which side of the rivalry you fall on, your love/hate of the player is understandable. From a philanthropic perspective, and from an ability to give insight to how a baseball team works, he is amongst the best ever. Like or dislike, we knew how he felt and I know more about how a baseball team acts behind the scenes now than I did before he came along.
From a baseball perspective, he was a tremendous big-game pitcher. He wanted the rock, and took it. No questions asked.
Rare is the athlete that interjects himself into a broo-haa and never backs down from it. From his first presser ("I guess I hate the Yankees now"), to the opening of the 2004 ALCS (I won't write it, but "shut up" line), he wanted the pressure. He could handle it...and never backed from it. Sometimes he got shelled. Sometimes he pitched unbelievably. But, he never backed from it.
Thank you Curt. Borderline HoF-er. See you around town.;)
(Plus, a Steelers' Fan!!!!)
http://www.nyyfans.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1436830&postcount=87
F*** him good riddance :-bye-:
JavyVazquezIsSick
03-23-09, 10:43 AM
Will his mouth retire as well?
dabomb2045
03-23-09, 10:43 AM
F*** him good riddance :-bye-:
Very classy
must have been awesome to get 7 million dollars to blog last season
teknetic
03-23-09, 10:54 AM
The best moment of his career
It's one of the top 5 funniest things I've read on the internet.
Very classy
Why don't you go back and take a look at all his quotes directed at the Yankees and our fans over the years and than talk about class. :barf:
Other than the "wanting to make 55,000 New Yorkers shut up", what has he said about NY and their fans that's so bad?
Mr. Mxylsplk
03-23-09, 11:28 AM
Personally, I always thought it was cool he popped up here on occasion. And I like his blog. Not a bad pitcher either.
Yankees13
03-23-09, 11:29 AM
How long until he gets the job as Baseball Tonight's lead analyst? :barf:
philleotardo
03-23-09, 11:32 AM
Will he still call a press conference at the All-Star break to explain why he's not on the team?
philleotardo
03-23-09, 11:35 AM
How long until he gets the job as Baseball Tonight's lead analyst? :barf:Or FOX News
At least Schilling goes onto internet forums to talk to the people who think he says dumb stuff.
Papelbon, on the other hand, probably doesn't have the intellectual capacity to handle anything more complex than Ecco the Dolphin on Sega Genesis.
YankeePride1967
03-23-09, 11:45 AM
I have nothing but respect for the way he played the game and the work he has done for ALS. I know of two people in the past 4 months that have passed on because of it. I wish Vurt the best of luck in the future.
President Kennedy
03-23-09, 11:54 AM
He was a giant phony. His "insight" into the sport didn't usually amount to much more than the usual jock cliche-speak about intangibles. Unfortunately his retirement probably means he'll have more time to devote to providing his opinion on different topics.
TheGameEpisode2
03-23-09, 11:55 AM
At least Schilling goes onto internet forums to talk to the people who think he says dumb stuff.
Papelbon, on the other hand, probably doesn't have the intellectual capacity to handle anything more complex than Ecco the Dolphin on Sega Genesis.
Screwattack?
Yeah he was a douche, but still a great pitcher. I don't really care what somebody does outside the field (unless like, they murder somebody), dude could still pitch.
35Knucklecurve
03-23-09, 11:58 AM
I can't deny his ability as Schilling, the pitcher. Schilling, The Mouth, is a different story. ;)
As one who's been active in sports for more years than I care to count, I know it's tough to face the time when you realize it's time to move on. I'm sure we haven't heard the last of Curt, however. He will be in the booth somewhere.
Mantle'sMutt
03-23-09, 12:10 PM
Does this mean that we will finally be spared his worthless opinions on any and every topic?
yanksphan
03-23-09, 12:14 PM
Does this mean that we will finally be spared his worthless opinions on any and every topic?
I dunno about that, but I expect to see him in the LTE and other Post Count Party threads.
yankeebot
03-23-09, 12:19 PM
Does this mean that we will finally be spared his worthless opinions on any and every topic?
Actually, I think it means he has even more time to spend on sharing them.
DiMaggio5CF
03-23-09, 12:20 PM
How do we know he's really retired and he's not just "grossly overstating" this?
Yankeeah
03-23-09, 12:21 PM
Why don't you go back and take a look at all his quotes directed at the Yankees and our fans over the years and than talk about class. :barf:
He named his son after a Yankee legend.
35Knucklecurve
03-23-09, 12:23 PM
How do we know he's really retired and he's not just "grossly overstating" this?
It's on the MLB site too.
[/URL][URL=http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090323&content_id=4052274&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb]LINK (http://forums.nyyfans.com/)
03/23/09 10:24 AM ET
Schilling announces his retirement
Right-hander won Series games for Phillies, D-backs, Red Sox
By Ian Browne / MLB.com
FORT MYERS, Fla. -- Curt Schilling, one of the finest and most clutch pitchers of his generation, announced his retirement Monday morning with his laptop.
Schilling revealed the end of his 20-year Major League career via his blog, 38pitches.weei.com.
"This party has officially ended," wrote Schilling. "After being blessed to experience 23 years of playing professional baseball in front of the world's best fans in so many different places, it is with zero regrets that I am making my retirement official.
"To say I've been blessed would be like calling Refrigerator Perry 'a bit overweight.' The things I was allowed to experience, the people I was able to call friends, teammates, mentors, coaches and opponents, the travel, all of it, are far more than anything I ever thought possible in my lifetime."
The 42-year-old Schilling last pitched in 2007. As it turns out, his last performance was a win for the Red Sox in Game 2 of the World Series, helping pave the way for Boston's four-game sweep of the Colorado Rockies.
Shoulder problems prevented Schilling from pitching a single inning in 2008, during which he was under a one-year contract with the Red Sox.
[snip]
Schilling compiled a record of 216-146, notching 3,116 strikeouts. In the postseason, Schilling went 10-2 with a 2.23 ERA in 19 starts.
He was part of three World Series championship teams -- the 2001 Diamondbacks and the Red Sox of 2004 and '07.
Schilling also pitched for the pennant-winning Phillies of 1993, and is the only pitcher to win a World Series start for three different teams.
DiMaggio5CF
03-23-09, 12:32 PM
It's on the MLB site too.
LINK (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090323&content_id=4052274&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)
Yeah, but he's a liar, so.....
TommyK8
03-23-09, 12:37 PM
He was a giant phony. His "insight" into the sport didn't usually amount to much more than the usual jock cliche-speak about intangibles. Unfortunately his retirement probably means he'll have more time to devote to providing his opinion on different topics.I understand your frustration with Curt. I hope you understand why Red Sox fans feel exactly the opposite. He helped change everything for a long-suffering fan base which is now no longer suffering at all. Thank you, Curt. You will be forever remembered as one of the greatest heroes in Red Sox history.
hardrain
03-23-09, 12:46 PM
how long until Schilling shows up in this thread to insult NYYFAN members?
yankeebot
03-23-09, 01:00 PM
I understand your frustration with Curt. I hope you understand why Red Sox fans feel exactly the opposite. He helped change everything for a long-suffering fan base which is now no longer suffering at all. Thank you, Curt. You will be forever remembered as one of the greatest heroes in Red Sox history. I hope you understand why most of us don't care how Red Sox fans feel.
hobokenfish
03-23-09, 01:00 PM
how long until Schilling shows up in this thread to insult NYYFAN members?
Apparently not before some members here showed up to insult him. And at least he comes here. I don't know of any other player who has interacted with the fans in this manner, so I give him credit there.
I never rooted for the guy, always thought he was a self-promoter, and don't agree with his politics. Nevertheless, I have to respect that he was a hell of a pitcher for a long time and pitched some huge playoff games. Plus, nobody can say he is dull.
dabomb2045
03-23-09, 01:03 PM
Apparently not before some members here showed up to insult him. And at least he comes here. I don't know of any other player who has interacted with the fans in this manner, so I give him credit there.
I never rooted for the guy, always thought he was a self-promoter, and don't agree with his politics. Nevertheless, I have to respect that he was a hell of a pitcher for a long time and pitched some huge playoff games. Plus, nobody can say he is dull.
Pretty much sums up my feelings as well. His outspokeness is annoying....but the dude does alot of good things with charities--esp for ALS.
NYYDragoon
03-23-09, 01:09 PM
Enjoy the retired life, Curt. Now you have more time for your MMOs ;).
TommyK8
03-23-09, 01:23 PM
I hope you understand why most of us don't care how Red Sox fans feel.I certainly do, and if was a Yankee fan, I wouldn't either. This is why most of us restrict the vast majority of our posts to the Red Sox thread, so as to not interlope on Yankee fans.
President Kennedy
03-23-09, 01:29 PM
Thank you, Curt. You will be forever remembered as one of the greatest heroes in Red Sox history.
Considering that history, I'd definitley agree with you that he's one of your greatest heroes.
Carry on, brave Tommy. Carry on.
Bro Jackhammer
03-23-09, 01:31 PM
how long until Schilling shows up in this thread to insult NYYFAN members?
My god! Probably really soon!
how long until Schilling shows up in this thread to insult NYYFAN members?Meh, this didn't bother me. At least the insults I saw him slinging weren't unprovoked. I think his general comments about NYC, the Yanks and just his attention whoring are what turn me off about him.
He was a great pitcher, he showed up when it mattered on the mound and he was an asshat. For that, congrats on the great career and hopefully there is a thread in sports bar to address your big mouth. :)
I'm sure nomaas is lamenting this news. I also think Kobayashi is also concerned about the potentail new competition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgqbCq_sxmo
Soriambi
03-23-09, 02:02 PM
Personally, I always thought it was cool he popped up here on occasion. Not a bad pitcher either.
I agree. I wish more players took a little bit of time to communicate with fans more.
I'm not always a fan of everything he says, and I dutifully hated him as a fan while he was a Red Sox, but he had a very nice career and his work with charities, especially ALS, is very impressive. I think it's hard to hate someone who spends that much of their time on worthy causes. When the worst thing that you can say about a person is that maybe they talk to the media a little bit too much and too openly, I think it's an indication that the person is doing a pretty good job. Maybe he can take a break for a year or two before he takes the inevitable analyst job at ESPN, though. :lol:
Soriambi
03-23-09, 02:17 PM
Enjoy the retired life, Curt. Now you have more time for your MMOs ;).
Curt's enjoyment of MMOs led to two of the funniest comments in FireJoeMorgan history:
Scythehands Voxslayer was Schilling's Everquest name circa 2001. He did an interview about this and it was amazing. For instance:
Q: Tell us some of the most interesting adventures you have had while playing Everquest? Did you ever do something really stupid? Something that you are really proud of?
A: My first foray into Lower Guk was a lot of fun. My favorite memories are pretty basic. Completing the Robe of the Lost Circle quest was a blast. Camping Raster was a nightmare, but I got stupidly lucky. I had pretty much resigned myself to camping Scythehands in the Mino room, logging in, seeing another monk already there camping, and waiting. One night I log in, and there's a 55 level monk there. Great guy. He's been there for like 12 hours. No Raster -- pop, despawn, pop, despawn -- still no Raster. Now I'm in about my 3rd day there -- total time camping him maybe 5-10 hours tops -- but getting some good groups when I did have the camp (lotsa guild mates showed up and we pulled and got great exp). Anyway, this guy says ok, one more spawn and it's yours. So I wait and this guy says 'screw it' and leaves. I get a full group and we get the camp. We are there for about 2 minutes when we are in a major, major brawl and we barely survive. I'm laying there, feign death style, and no one in the group is hurt but me. I have no mend and about a bub of health. My group runs some frogloks down the hall to finish them off and POP! RASTER! If there was a way to scream louder than caps in EQ I was doing it. Man I am straight panicking because I know I have NO CHANCE soloing and the party has run off. I'm in my hotel room; it's like 5am, and I am straight hollering, in EQ and in real life. Bottom line is the group comes back, heals me, and kills Raster! WOOT!
Once again, ladies and gentlemen, that was Curt Schilling.
Followed up by another comment stating:
The only time I've ever wanted to be a Yankees fan was when I read about this the first time, and wanted to show up at a game at Yankee Stadium that Schilling was pitching, just to hold up a sign taunting him, that read: "HEY SCHILLING: STILL NO RASTER!"
I have no idea what it means but I imagine it would really upset him.
I can read those two comments over and over and I laugh every time. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Those were comments by FJM writers in response to this entry:
http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2007/03/blogs-bad-old-media-good-nerds-nerdy.html
b-ball-lunachick
03-23-09, 02:36 PM
Will his mouth retire as well?
:lol: if only...
Very classy
yes, because Schilling himself is the epitome of class? blech...
Snatch Catch
03-23-09, 02:46 PM
Dear God,
If you exist, please have the other 100 or so names on the steroid list released, or another bombshell involving A-Rod dropped ASAP, so by the time the media stops seizuring over those stories this bit of news is forgotten and never gets addressed.
Thanks,
Snatch Catch
yanksphan
03-23-09, 03:02 PM
Dear God,
If you exist, please have the other 100 or so names on the steroid list released, or another bombshell involving A-Rod dropped ASAP, so by the time the media stops seizuring over those stories this bit of news is forgotten and never gets addressed.
Thanks,
Snatch Catch
PS - Please let Rob Neyer get hit by a bus.
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4008946&searchName=Neyer_Rob&campaign=rsssrch&source=neyer_rob&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fespn%2fblog%2findex%3fentryID%3d4008946%26searchName%3dNeyer_Rob%26campaign%3drsssrch%26source%3dneyer_rob
Two years I was lukewarm about Schilling's Hall of Fame candidacy. I wasn't against it, exactly. But neither was I for it. But during those two years, Schilling helped pitch the Red Sox to another championship and I got just a little bit smarter. Today I can't imagine a Hall of Fame without him.
Twice....I want him to get hit twice.
Thanks,
yanksphan
jlw1980
03-23-09, 03:13 PM
Dear God,
If you exist, please have the other 100 or so names on the steroid list released, or another bombshell involving A-Rod dropped ASAP, so by the time the media stops seizuring over those stories this bit of news is forgotten and never gets addressed.
Thanks,
Snatch CatchAmen.
JavyVazquezIsSick
03-23-09, 03:20 PM
Twice....I want him to get hit twice.
Thanks,
yanksphan
:lol:
philleotardo
03-23-09, 03:26 PM
PS - Please let Rob Neyer get hit by a bus.
....a bus filled with various ESPN "personalities" (Jim Capel, Jemele Hill, Gene Wojoworthless, Steve Phillips, etc) and let that bus go careening off a cliff.
JL25and3
03-23-09, 03:29 PM
PS - Please let Rob Neyer get hit by a bus.
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4008946&searchName=Neyer_Rob&campaign=rsssrch&source=neyer_rob&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fespn%2fblog%2findex%3fentryID%3d4008946%26searchName%3dNeyer_Rob%26campaign%3drsssrch%26source%3dneyer_rob
Twice....I want him to get hit twice.
Thanks,
yanksphanI usually like Neyer - or used to, when I could read him without paying.
But how can the last two years possibly make Schilling's HOF case? He was unexceptional in one and didn't pitch at all in the other.
JavyVazquezIsSick
03-23-09, 03:33 PM
I usually like Neyer - or used to, when I could read him without paying.
But how can the last two years possibly make Schilling's HOF case? He was unexceptional in one and didn't pitch at all in the other.
He's bias towards the Red Sox and/or hates the Yankees. I think the latter. It's pretty apparent in some of his articles and chats.
4bronxbombers
03-23-09, 04:15 PM
The best moment of his career
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you can bite my ass,
You're an idiot.
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4bronxbombers
03-23-09, 04:16 PM
PS - Please let Rob Neyer get hit by a bus.
Twice....I want him to get hit twice.
Thanks,
yanksphan
:lol:
puffyme
03-23-09, 04:23 PM
F*** him good riddance :-bye-:
What a demonstration of class. Most people on this site respect Schilling for coming here and discussing the game we all love. Don't have to like him but your comment is classless
I've actually become kind of a fan of Schill since he opened up his blog. Reading his whole thoughts tend to give you a better perspective than hearing single quotes filtered through the media. Yeah, sometimes his mouth still gets too big, but I think overall, he's a good guy.
And he took the Sox for $8 million last year. What's not to like about that?
Happy retirement, Schill.
Other than the "wanting to make 55,000 New Yorkers shut up", what has he said about NY and their fans that's so bad?
"The Yankees suck this year, and they're bitter and mad and they're making excuses over that," the over-opinionated Schilling said on WEEI-AM.
"The euphoria in New York is palpable," Schilling said when asked about Brady's injury. "They want us to be as bitter and mad and miserable as they are, and unfortunately it's not going to happen."
That was made after Brady got hurt, the funny thing is most Yankee fans are Giant fans so it was more than likely mets fans celebrating when fellow Yankee fan Tom Brady went down. He'll take any chance he can to rip New Yorkers even when he doesn't have a clue as to what he's talking about.
b-ball-lunachick
03-23-09, 05:14 PM
What a demonstration of class. Most people on this site respect Schilling for coming here and discussing the game we all love. Don't have to like him but your comment is classless
ooh goody - another Sox fan coming here to tell Yankee fans when they aren't acting classy!! woo hoo!
Please..not everyone likes that Schilling comes here...I argued with him a few times and I think he's a jerk..my favorite moment on any board was when his own SoSH buddies ripped him a new one about his comments about the Manny situation when he wasn't even a Red Sox team member anymore. Most Sox fans I know don't even like him so coming here and lecturing people is ridiculous.
ETA - I also think as much as he may like to come here to discuss baseball with baseball fans, he had an agenda. He got a good ball washing most of the time and came here at times to defend himself like he has nothing better to do. It's odd really.
I know someone will bring up his charity work now..I gave to his charity and I appreciate the work he's done. But just because someone does some good things in life, doesn't mean he's not a jerk the rest of the time.
The party is just starting! No more of that asswipe! :clap: :clapping: :cheer: WooHoo!!!!
He's not on any team anymore so I can spew my venom without worrying about violating any Community Standards!
I have detested this "man" since he was on the Phillies and my hatred for him just grew through the years.
Good riddance!!!!
TheoShmeo
03-23-09, 05:31 PM
Most Sox fans I know don't even like him so coming here and lecturing people is ridiculous.
That's bizarre to me.
The vast majority of Sox fans I know are huge fans of him as a player, are incredibly grateful for his role in 2004 and 2007 and, as a result, like him very much.
If you had written that most sox fans you know wish he'd be less outspoken or less of a media hound, that wouldn't surprise me...even though my experience is that most Sox fans who say those things still like Schilling on the whole because of all of the positives.
b-ball-lunachick
03-23-09, 05:33 PM
That's bizarre to me.
The vast majority of Sox fans I know are huge fans of him as a player, are incredibly grateful for his role in 2004 and 2007 and, as a result, like him very much.
If you had written that most sox fans you know wish he'd be less outspoken or less of a media hound, that wouldn't surprise me...even though my experience is that most Sox fans who say those things still like Schilling on the whole because of all of the positives.
well we know different people. ;) most Sox fans I know appreciate what he did on the field but can't stand his personality.
To be honest, it doesn't surprise me one bit that we aren't friends with the same people. :D
RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees
03-23-09, 05:48 PM
Someone start the "Steam" CD, please.
teknetic
03-23-09, 05:50 PM
Didn't he donate to this site? Not sure what the hate is about.
RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees
03-23-09, 05:51 PM
Didn't he donate to this site? Not sure what the hate is about.
Donating to a site =/= likeable.
Yankeeah
03-23-09, 06:03 PM
Didn't he donate to this site? Not sure what the hate is about.
The day the site said they need money happened to be the day he posted. I kept quoting his posts and saying "Please send us money" etc etc. I don't know if he ever did but I tried.
Snatch Catch
03-23-09, 06:10 PM
The day the site said they need money happened to be the day he posted. I kept quoting his posts and saying "Please send us money" etc etc. I don't know if he ever did but I tried.
This was a time a couple of years prior.
Good luck to him with the rest of his life!
stephsamps
03-23-09, 06:20 PM
I was quite the fan of Curt the baseball player before he kicked our ass in 2001 and then became a Red Sox. He had an impressive career and came up big in a lot of big games (which of course made me none too happy). I also respect the charity work that he's done. I am sure we'll see him on TV before too long, so I doubt we will be able to miss him!
Dear Curt,
Enjoy your retirement. Go away now. Take the Red Sox Fans with you.
Thanks.
Dave Visbeck
03-23-09, 06:34 PM
F*** him good riddance :-bye-:
Will his mouth retire as well?
Does this mean that we will finally be spared his worthless opinions on any and every topic?
At least Mr. Schilling doesn't mind coming to a place like this and takes whatever is dished out at him. :) How come an existing Yankee or any former Yankee player doesn't even attempt or bother to come interact with the World's Greatest Baseball Fans - unless they may possibly be doing it whiles hiding.
The only player that has made an effort to rub shoulders and maybe field some questions, from some of you good people at NYYFans, was when Mr. Clemens made a show at a NYYFans gathering. That was a classy thing to do and I'm sure it was a very nice experience for those there when he showed up.
But maybe I'm in the dark about other Yankee players that have shown themselves here. I wish it would happen. I've passed word about this site to a former Yankee that lives in the Cincy area, on a chanced meeting. He was polite and said he would check it out some time. Maybe he has ... maybe he just hasn't yet.
Maybe, someday soon, there will be someone else from your team that will come here and interact. Maybe it could be Curt Schilling that can make that happen! You good fans deserve that. But, until it does, I guess you're just stuck with someone like Curt Schilling giving a damn, one way or another, and showing his tail here now and then. Bless the man for that ... and I think more good Yankee fans actually appreciate it when it does happen. I also think Mr. Schilling enjoys it too ... or he wouldn't even bother showing up. He has even paid to experience some of the grief he expects to get when he shows. That was something nice he has done for this place. :2thumbs:
Was Paul O'Neill at Dewey's Pizza - near Montgomery.
Dave Visbeck
03-23-09, 06:36 PM
Dear Curt,
Enjoy your retirement. Go away now. Take the Red Sox Fans with you.
Thanks.
Awwwww shoot. I could of added you to my last post. Sorry about that.
Great pitcher, but hate the man.
Unfortunately we'll probably be hearing more from him than ever before.
Though I doubt it, I hope he'll do no better than The Best Damn Sports Show, Period.
MaineSoxFan
03-23-09, 06:46 PM
Good night, sweet prince.
At least Mr. Schilling doesn't mind coming to a place like this and takes whatever is dished out at him.
Please, I'm sure he's heard a hell of a lot worse on the road than on this forum. Lets be honest here, we all know the real reason why red light comes to these sites and thats to feed that massive ego of his. Michael Kay was saying on his radio show today that Schilling gets google alerts to let him know everytime his name is mentioned which led to Christina Staffo signing narcissistic. :lol:
TheGameEpisode2
03-23-09, 07:06 PM
I'm probably gonna start a big argument with this, but now the discussion of if he's Hall of Fame worthy or not will arise...
I think he will probably get in, but I don't think he SHOULD get in. He was great, don't get me wrong, but I don't think he was Hall of Fame worthy. If he gets in, Mussina should be in the Hall as well.
DEADSOX
03-23-09, 07:21 PM
I hate what he did to us as Yankee fans, but that aside he had a hell of a career and is no different than any other loud opinionated american, only he's a famous athlete so it's always exagerrated. Why change who you are just because your opions are heard by everyone? I'm sure many of us have said equally offensive and likely much more offensive things then he has... it's just that no one gives two shi!ts about what we say. He probably does hate New Yorkers, can you blame him? honestly? We are some of the most loud, obnoxious people on the planet.... sounds like he might have actually fit in.
nhyankeefan
03-23-09, 07:21 PM
well we know different people. ;) most Sox fans I know appreciate what he did on the field but can't stand his personality.
To be honest, it doesn't surprise me one bit that we aren't friends with the same people. :D
You and I must be friends w/ the same people. A lot of the sox fans I know appreciate his on-field contributions, but they won't miss him now that he's gone.
yanksphan
03-23-09, 07:24 PM
I hate what he did to us as Yankee fans, but that aside he had a hell of a career and is no different than any other loud opinionated american, only he's a famous athlete so it's always exagerrated. Why change who you are just because your opions are heard by everyone? I'm sure many of us have said equally offensive and likely much more offensive things then he has... it's just that no one gives two shi!ts about what we say. He probably does hate New Yorkers, can you blame him? honestly? We are some of the most loud, obnoxious people on the planet.... sounds like he might have actually fit in.
Had he played in NY instead of BOS, he would have been a media darling, and I'd bet a good portion of the NYY fan base would have enjoyed it.
The Q Bomb
03-23-09, 07:24 PM
The best compliment I can give him is that I couldn't STAND him - because he was good and played for The Red Sox. No denying that he was a competitor both on the field and in the field of expressing opinions. You have to tip your cap to him and wish him well in retiremen.
On the other hand, I'm still sorry not one Yankee player (or even Yankee fan) ran out on the field in 2004 to spike his ankle!
TheGameEpisode2
03-23-09, 07:26 PM
The best compliment I can give him is that I couldn't STAND him - because he was good and played for The Red Sox. No denying that he was a competitor both on the field and in the field of expressing opinions. You have to tip your cap to him and wish him well in retiremen.
On the other hand, I'm still sorry not one Yankee player (or even Yankee fan) ran out on the field in 2004 to spike his ankle!
I still don't understand how nobody didn't attempt to bunt on him with that bum ankle. Whole game could have been different if he was running on that ankle all game...
DEADSOX
03-23-09, 07:28 PM
I still don't understand how nobody didn't attempt to bunt on him with that bum ankle. Whole game could have been different if he was running on that ankle all game...
Joe Torre has too much class for that.
Until that book.
Now I'm confused.
b-ball-lunachick
03-23-09, 07:30 PM
You and I must be friends w/ the same people. A lot of the sox fans I know appreciate his on-field contributions, but they won't miss him now that he's gone.
That's because you're good people. ;)
TheGameEpisode2
03-23-09, 07:31 PM
Joe Torre has too much class for that.
Until that book.
Now I'm confused.
With a trip to the World Series on the line, you throw class out the window...which is why I don't totally hate A-Rod for slapping that ball out of Arroyo's hand. Sure, it was stupid and cheap, but if it gets you to the World Series, you gotta at least try...
You and I must be friends w/ the same people. A lot of the sox fans I know appreciate his on-field contributions, but they won't miss him now that he's gone.
As far as I can tell, the only part that's gone or going anywhere is the on-field part.
Yankeeah
03-23-09, 07:37 PM
which is why I don't totally hate A-Rod for slapping that ball out of Arroyo's hand. Sure, it was stupid and cheap, but if it gets you to the World Series, you gotta at least try...
Pedroia did the same thing in the 2007 World Series. No one made a stink about it
DEADSOX
03-23-09, 07:37 PM
With a trip to the World Series on the line, you throw class out the window...which is why I don't totally hate A-Rod for slapping that ball out of Arroyo's hand. Sure, it was stupid and cheap, but if it gets you to the World Series, you gotta at least try...
I agree defnitely. Torre frustrated me on so many levels in the '04 ALCS I get a headache thinking about it.
DEADSOX
03-23-09, 07:39 PM
Pedroia did the same thing in the 2007 World Series. No one made a stink about it
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Pedroia did the same thing in the 2007 World Series. No one made a stink about it
The little munchkin is gritty
TheGameEpisode2
03-23-09, 07:39 PM
Pedroia did the same thing in the 2007 World Series. No one made a stink about it
Really? Wow, I'd love to see a link to that or something. I believe you, but I honestly never even heard it.
I know Robert Fick did that in Atlanta and nobody talks about it.
EDIT: Forget it. Was he called out for that? That's blatant.
Yankeeah
03-23-09, 07:43 PM
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My bad, the 2007 ALCS. Thanks for the gif.
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Didn't some hypocrite call that same play by Arod bush league? :-whistle-
b-ball-lunachick
03-23-09, 07:48 PM
The little munchkin is gritty
and don't forget scrappy!! ;)
I never cared for his overbearing personality, but I did admire him as a pitcher and for his work with ALS charities.
I'm probably gonna start a big argument with this, but now the discussion of if he's Hall of Fame worthy or not will arise...
I think he will probably get in, but I don't think he SHOULD get in. He was great, don't get me wrong, but I don't think he was Hall of Fame worthy. If he gets in, Mussina should be in the Hall as well.
AS much as I hate to say it, I think he deserves to get in ( but I still hope he doesn't :P )
His numbers were dominant over a long period
His K/BB ratio was outrageous and his playoff numbers were excellent as well
Hobbes40
03-23-09, 08:03 PM
Joe Torre has too much class for that.
Until that book.
Now I'm confused.
The book actually explains it - Torre thought that the reports of how weak his ankle were might be exagerrated and didn't want to risk his hitters giving up at-bats/their normal hitting approach just to find out.
Anyway, Schilling was a great player, too bad he played for the Sox. No Schilling and the Curse might still exist...
TheGameEpisode2
03-23-09, 08:05 PM
The book actually explains it - Torre thought that the reports of how weak his ankle were might be exagerrated and didn't want to risk his hitters giving up at-bats/their normal hitting approach just to find out.
Anyway, Schilling was a great player, too bad he played for the Sox. No Schilling and the Curse might still exist...
Didn't he lose a few miles off his fastball after he went after a bouncer near him or something? Maybe I don't remember it...since I tried to wash away my memory of that series.
Meecham4ever
03-23-09, 08:06 PM
The best moment of his career
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For this alone, he deserves to be in Cooperstown.....imo.
PeteRFNY
03-23-09, 08:15 PM
Such sad news for MLB food concessions throughout this great nation.
Now he will have lots of time to blog and troll Yankees boards!
Hobbes40
03-23-09, 08:22 PM
Didn't he lose a few miles off his fastball after he went after a bouncer near him or something? Maybe I don't remember it...since I tried to wash away my memory of that series.
I mean, I'm not saying Torre was right, just relaying what he said. I don't really remember either, haven't really tried to recall that series too often.
gehrig38
03-23-09, 10:43 PM
Thanks. Most of you have handled my infrequent appearances here pretty calmly and I thought we had some decent back and forth.
When I chose the Red Sox (read Hatfields) I made my bed for better or worse since the Yankees (read Mccoys) presented a rivalry unmatched in sports.
Anyone taking "I guess I hate the Yankees now" literally is an idiot. It was a figure of speech. Now 5 years later there ARE some Yankee fans I intensely dislike, and they usually sat within shouting distance of the visiting dugout at Yankee stadium.
I can't hate the team that presented me with the ultimate challenges in my career, and the teams I played for.
To be the best you have to beat the best, and that was the Yankees. The sober fans in Yankee stadium were every bit as venomous and intelligent as the ones in Fenway, and that's what made it, and always will make it, the greatest and most intense rivalry in sports.
That I got the chance to be an intimate part of it is just cool as hell.
I know I did something right, because Yankee fans never seemed to boo the 5th outfielder or utility guy, but they had some clear throats when my name went over the loud speaker. I'd love to tell you anything but the truth, but that was as much motivation as anyone could possibly need not to suck in that ballpark.
Thanks for being fans of the game that gave me everything outside of the Lord and my family. Thanks for helping create a rivalry no player can EVER understand unless they partake in it.
God Bless
Curt
ColombiaYanksFan
03-23-09, 10:45 PM
I must admit, I had nightmares that Schilling came back as a tampa bay ray in solid form and defeated us in the playoffs..... again.
dabomb2045
03-23-09, 10:52 PM
Thanks. Most of you have handled my infrequent appearances here pretty calmly and I thought we had some decent back and forth.
When I chose the Red Sox (read Hatfields) I made my bed for better or worse since the Yankees (read Mccoys) presented a rivalry unmatched in sports.
Anyone taking "I guess I hate the Yankees now" literally is an idiot. It was a figure of speech. Now 5 years later there ARE some Yankee fans I intensely dislike, and they usually sat within shouting distance of the visiting dugout at Yankee stadium.
I can't hate the team that presented me with the ultimate challenges in my career, and the teams I played for.
To be the best you have to beat the best, and that was the Yankees. The sober fans in Yankee stadium were every bit as venomous and intelligent as the ones in Fenway, and that's what made it, and always will make it, the greatest and most intense rivalry in sports.
That I got the chance to be an intimate part of it is just cool as hell.
I know I did something right, because Yankee fans never seemed to boo the 5th outfielder or utility guy, but they had some clear throats when my name went over the loud speaker. I'd love to tell you anything but the truth, but that was as much motivation as anyone could possibly need not to suck in that ballpark.
Thanks for being fans of the game that gave me everything outside of the Lord and my family. Thanks for helping create a rivalry no player can EVER understand unless they partake in it.
God Bless
Curt
Enjoy you're retirement. I definetly "hated" you as a player....not the first athlete I've felt that way towards. But it is just a game--now that its all over, I can say I always respected your ability and competitiveness. Best of luck.
ColombiaYanksFan
03-23-09, 10:53 PM
Thanks. Most of you have handled my infrequent appearances here pretty calmly and I thought we had some decent back and forth.
When I chose the Red Sox (read Hatfields) I made my bed for better or worse since the Yankees (read Mccoys) presented a rivalry unmatched in sports.
Anyone taking "I guess I hate the Yankees now" literally is an idiot. It was a figure of speech. Now 5 years later there ARE some Yankee fans I intensely dislike, and they usually sat within shouting distance of the visiting dugout at Yankee stadium.
I can't hate the team that presented me with the ultimate challenges in my career, and the teams I played for.
To be the best you have to beat the best, and that was the Yankees. The sober fans in Yankee stadium were every bit as venomous and intelligent as the ones in Fenway, and that's what made it, and always will make it, the greatest and most intense rivalry in sports.
That I got the chance to be an intimate part of it is just cool as hell.
I know I did something right, because Yankee fans never seemed to boo the 5th outfielder or utility guy, but they had some clear throats when my name went over the loud speaker. I'd love to tell you anything but the truth, but that was as much motivation as anyone could possibly need not to suck in that ballpark.
Thanks for being fans of the game that gave me everything outside of the Lord and my family. Thanks for helping create a rivalry no player can EVER understand unless they partake in it.
God Bless
Curt
Curt, you were so close to being a Yankee, but Clemens indecision before joining the Astros prevented the Yankee organization from pursuing you and making you part of the ultimate Dynasty.
So close and yet so far.
TheGameEpisode2
03-23-09, 10:55 PM
Thanks. Most of you have handled my infrequent appearances here pretty calmly and I thought we had some decent back and forth.
When I chose the Red Sox (read Hatfields) I made my bed for better or worse since the Yankees (read Mccoys) presented a rivalry unmatched in sports.
Anyone taking "I guess I hate the Yankees now" literally is an idiot. It was a figure of speech. Now 5 years later there ARE some Yankee fans I intensely dislike, and they usually sat within shouting distance of the visiting dugout at Yankee stadium.
I can't hate the team that presented me with the ultimate challenges in my career, and the teams I played for.
To be the best you have to beat the best, and that was the Yankees. The sober fans in Yankee stadium were every bit as venomous and intelligent as the ones in Fenway, and that's what made it, and always will make it, the greatest and most intense rivalry in sports.
That I got the chance to be an intimate part of it is just cool as hell.
I know I did something right, because Yankee fans never seemed to boo the 5th outfielder or utility guy, but they had some clear throats when my name went over the loud speaker. I'd love to tell you anything but the truth, but that was as much motivation as anyone could possibly need not to suck in that ballpark.
Thanks for being fans of the game that gave me everything outside of the Lord and my family. Thanks for helping create a rivalry no player can EVER understand unless they partake in it.
God Bless
Curt
Holy crap, I'm actually talking to Curt Schilling. I have to admit man, you've made a lot of people in my house cry over the games you've pitched, but I have to give it to you, when you were out there you were one of the best I've ever seen.
:gulp:to a great career, and good luck!
TheYankee
03-23-09, 11:17 PM
At least Schilling goes onto internet forums to talk to the people who think he says dumb stuff.
Yep, I was thinking the same thing. That takes some guts.
And Curt, since you've supported conservatives in the past, why don't you pop by the political forum sometime to provide some back up?
I kid, I kid. ;) Congratulations on a hell of a career.
DontHateOnNumber2
03-23-09, 11:19 PM
The party's just begun! Congrats on a great career. Now he has all the time he needs to continue raising money for ALS research, spend time with his family, and post on forums and play World of Warcraft.
schwarzstein
03-23-09, 11:22 PM
I never cared for his overbearing personality, but I did admire him as a pitcher and for his work with ALS charities.
Same.
Enjoy retirement, Curt :gulp:
Dave Visbeck
03-23-09, 11:26 PM
Thanks. Most of you have handled my infrequent appearances here pretty calmly and I thought we had some decent back and forth.
When I chose the Red Sox (read Hatfields) I made my bed for better or worse since the Yankees (read Mccoys) presented a rivalry unmatched in sports.
Anyone taking "I guess I hate the Yankees now" literally is an idiot. It was a figure of speech. Now 5 years later there ARE some Yankee fans I intensely dislike, and they usually sat within shouting distance of the visiting dugout at Yankee stadium.
I can't hate the team that presented me with the ultimate challenges in my career, and the teams I played for.
To be the best you have to beat the best, and that was the Yankees. The sober fans in Yankee stadium were every bit as venomous and intelligent as the ones in Fenway, and that's what made it, and always will make it, the greatest and most intense rivalry in sports.
That I got the chance to be an intimate part of it is just cool as hell.
I know I did something right, because Yankee fans never seemed to boo the 5th outfielder or utility guy, but they had some clear throats when my name went over the loud speaker. I'd love to tell you anything but the truth, but that was as much motivation as anyone could possibly need not to suck in that ballpark.
Thanks for being fans of the game that gave me everything outside of the Lord and my family. Thanks for helping create a rivalry no player can EVER understand unless they partake in it.
God Bless
Curt
Thanks for your part in what you helped gifting me and my long suffering family members. We waited and waited and waited yet longer for what finally came. It was all worth the long wait in 2004. Thank you so much, Mr Schilling. :) 2007 only made it better. :D
Now ... will you please tell me about that first career hit you had against a team that plays near where I live. It was off one of the "Nasty Boys" ... Rob Dibble. At least you weren't one of his 124 strikeouts had in his 82.1 innings. :D Didn't that hit also get you your first rbi? I think a fight ensued. What's the story?
CanoForPresident
03-23-09, 11:27 PM
Thanks. Most of you have handled my infrequent appearances here pretty calmly and I thought we had some decent back and forth.
When I chose the Red Sox (read Hatfields) I made my bed for better or worse since the Yankees (read Mccoys) presented a rivalry unmatched in sports.
Anyone taking "I guess I hate the Yankees now" literally is an idiot. It was a figure of speech. Now 5 years later there ARE some Yankee fans I intensely dislike, and they usually sat within shouting distance of the visiting dugout at Yankee stadium.
I can't hate the team that presented me with the ultimate challenges in my career, and the teams I played for.
To be the best you have to beat the best, and that was the Yankees. The sober fans in Yankee stadium were every bit as venomous and intelligent as the ones in Fenway, and that's what made it, and always will make it, the greatest and most intense rivalry in sports.
That I got the chance to be an intimate part of it is just cool as hell.
I know I did something right, because Yankee fans never seemed to boo the 5th outfielder or utility guy, but they had some clear throats when my name went over the loud speaker. I'd love to tell you anything but the truth, but that was as much motivation as anyone could possibly need not to suck in that ballpark.
Thanks for being fans of the game that gave me everything outside of the Lord and my family. Thanks for helping create a rivalry no player can EVER understand unless they partake in it.
God Bless
Curt
Great post.
Even though parts of the last seven years of your career were some of the worst moments I've had to witness in sports, It'd be foolish of me not to admire what you've done as a baseball player and that will one day be noticed with a plaque and a ceremony in Cooperstown.
Congrats Curt!
gehrig38
03-23-09, 11:47 PM
Thanks for your part in what you helped gifting me and my long suffering family members. We waited and waited and waited yet longer for what finally came. It was all worth the long wait in 2004. Thank you so much, Mr Schilling. :) 2007 only made it better. :D
Now ... will you please tell me about that first career hit you had against a team that plays near where I live. It was off one of the "Nasty Boys" ... Rob Dibble. At least you weren't one of his 124 strikeouts had in his 82.1 innings. :D Didn't that hit also get you your first rbi? I think a fight ensued. What's the story?
One of my top 5 all timers.
First ML AB in Cincinnati. I am the closer in Houton, Art Howe brings me in bottom of the 7th. Eric Davis hits a weak 404 mph line drive, no one sees, with the bases loaded, to SS for out #3.
We hit in the 8th, they do too. Top of the 9th, I'm fricking hitting! Dibble is pitching, 1 run game.
I've talked trash about my swing for years, never expecting to hit. Dibble is a bit stiff, throwing 98-104 with a 92mph slider. First 4 pitches I hear, and 2 sound like strikes.
He throws me a 98mph fastball, I hit a grounder up the middle, run scores!
On first, next pitch, Eric Yielding, I see the ball head to the backstop, I take off, I slide into 2nd, Eric Davis runs by me....um, he's the CF????
I look left, fans are screaming and I am thinking to myself "damn must be a lot of Astro fans here and man they are way too excited for a pitcher to get a stolen base", then I see what looks to be a pile of red and yellow uniforms. As I see it, Craig Biggio, in FULL CATCHERS GEAR, leaps onto the pile like he's celebrating a world title.
We're friggin brawling!! I run in just in time to see Ed Ott choking the life out of Dibble. Great stuff.
Dave Visbeck
03-24-09, 12:09 AM
One of my top 5 all timers.
First ML AB in Cincinnati. I am the closer in Houton, Art Howe brings me in bottom of the 7th. Eric Davis hits a weak 404 mph line drive, no one sees, with the bases loaded, to SS for out #3.
We hit in the 8th, they do too. Top of the 9th, I'm fricking hitting! Dibble is pitching, 1 run game.
I've talked trash about my swing for years, never expecting to hit. Dibble is a bit stiff, throwing 98-104 with a 92mph slider. First 4 pitches I hear, and 2 sound like strikes.
He throws me a 98mph fastball, I hit a grounder up the middle, run scores!
On first, next pitch, Eric Yielding, I see the ball head to the backstop, I take off, I slide into 2nd, Eric Davis runs by me....um, he's the CF????
I look left, fans are screaming and I am thinking to myself "damn must be a lot of Astro fans here and man they are way too excited for a pitcher to get a stolen base", then I see what looks to be a pile of red and yellow uniforms. As I see it, Craig Biggio, in FULL CATCHERS GEAR, leaps onto the pile like he's celebrating a world title.
We're friggin brawling!! I run in just in time to see Ed Ott choking the life out of Dibble. Great stuff.
:scared: Great and funny stuff for sure. :D Glad I hit one of you favorite memories. Bill Lee once told me that pitchers love talking about their hitting ... so I guess it's true. Thank you for the story. Hope you keep coming back to this place with more. I have more to ask but I'll let others get their chance. :)
Shoot ... one more thing. You have referrals. You have any Yankee player friends that you can talk into showing up at this place for my friends here at NYYFans. I tried with O'Neill. It's been a no-go. They wanna talk to someone. ;)
TheYankee
03-24-09, 12:10 AM
One of my top 5 all timers.
First ML AB in Cincinnati. I am the closer in Houton, Art Howe brings me in bottom of the 7th. Eric Davis hits a weak 404 mph line drive, no one sees, with the bases loaded, to SS for out #3.
We hit in the 8th, they do too. Top of the 9th, I'm fricking hitting! Dibble is pitching, 1 run game.
I've talked trash about my swing for years, never expecting to hit. Dibble is a bit stiff, throwing 98-104 with a 92mph slider. First 4 pitches I hear, and 2 sound like strikes.
He throws me a 98mph fastball, I hit a grounder up the middle, run scores!
On first, next pitch, Eric Yielding, I see the ball head to the backstop, I take off, I slide into 2nd, Eric Davis runs by me....um, he's the CF????
I look left, fans are screaming and I am thinking to myself "damn must be a lot of Astro fans here and man they are way too excited for a pitcher to get a stolen base", then I see what looks to be a pile of red and yellow uniforms. As I see it, Craig Biggio, in FULL CATCHERS GEAR, leaps onto the pile like he's celebrating a world title.
We're friggin brawling!! I run in just in time to see Ed Ott choking the life out of Dibble. Great stuff.lol. Classic :lol:
DaSh 1s
03-24-09, 12:13 AM
At least Schilling goes onto internet forums to talk to the people who think he says dumb stuff.
I love how everyone yells at Schilling for saying dumb stuff, but the amount of dumb stuff said on NYYFANs is beyond anything than what Schilling has said.
Rocketman
03-24-09, 12:16 AM
Curt,
As a Diamondback, you got lucky in 2001 when Mariano threw a ball into center field during game 7. As a Red Sock, you got lucky in 2004 when the Yankee bullpen blew games 4 and 5 of the ALCS despite having leads in both games.
As a Yankee fan by blood (related to Joe DiMaggio), I'll forever flash the "luck" card for both disappointing losses. Yet as a baseball fan from birth, I'll always remember the baseball card that says you won 22 games in 2001, 23 in 2002 and 21 in 2004. I'll always remember your absolutely filthy 9.58:1 K/BB ratio in 2002. I'll always remember that you won three rings - and the last without a hint of that notorious luck I always said you've had.
Take care of that old ankle of yours and continue to be a gentleman advocate for baseball.
Hope to still see you around,
Rocketman
Thanks for being fans of the game that gave me everything outside of the Lord and my family. Thanks for helping create a rivalry no player can EVER understand unless they partake in it.
Dave Visbeck
03-24-09, 12:23 AM
Curt,
As a Diamondback, you got lucky in 2001 when Mariano threw a ball into center field during game 7. As a Red Sock, you got lucky in 2004 when the Yankee bullpen blew games 4 and 5 of the ALCS despite having leads in both games.
As a Yankee fan by blood (related to Joe DiMaggio) I'll forever flash the "luck" card for both disappointing losses. Yet as a baseball fan from birth, I'll always remember the baseball card that says you won 22 games in 2001, 23 in 2002 and 21 in 2004. I'll always remember your absolutely filthy 9.58:1 K/BB ratio in 2002. I'll always remember that you won three rings - and the last without a hint of that notorious luck I always said you've had.
Take care of that old ankle of yours and continue to be a gentleman advocate for baseball.
Hope to still see you around,
Rocketman
There a chance you still have relatives in Martinez, CA maybe?
DiMaggio5CF
03-24-09, 12:47 AM
At least Mr. Schilling doesn't mind coming to a place like this and takes whatever is dished out at him. :) How come an existing Yankee or any former Yankee player doesn't even attempt or bother to come interact with the World's Greatest Baseball Fans - unless they may possibly be doing it whiles hiding.
The only player that has made an effort to rub shoulders and maybe field some questions, from some of you good people at NYYFans, was when Mr. Clemens made a show at a NYYFans gathering. That was a classy thing to do and I'm sure it was a very nice experience for those there when he showed up.
But maybe I'm in the dark about other Yankee players that have shown themselves here. I wish it would happen. I've passed word about this site to a former Yankee that lives in the Cincy area, on a chanced meeting. He was polite and said he would check it out some time. Maybe he has ... maybe he just hasn't yet.
Maybe, someday soon, there will be someone else from your team that will come here and interact. Maybe it could be Curt Schilling that can make that happen! You good fans deserve that. But, until it does, I guess you're just stuck with someone like Curt Schilling giving a damn, one way or another, and showing his tail here now and then. Bless the man for that ... and I think more good Yankee fans actually appreciate it when it does happen. I also think Mr. Schilling enjoys it too ... or he wouldn't even bother showing up. He has even paid to experience some of the grief he expects to get when he shows. That was something nice he has done for this place. :2thumbs:
Was Paul O'Neill at Dewey's Pizza - near Montgomery.
Yeah, I'll look the gift horse in the mouth if the gift I'm getting is Curt Schilling.
Getting Curt Schilling to post on your board is like getting a kick in the nards for Christmas.
Stick Michael
03-24-09, 01:12 AM
Curt, you had a fantastic career. What you did against the Yankees in 2001 and 2004 really wasn't appreciated. At all. Your reaching out to New Yorkers after 9/11, however, was and still is appreciated. If hard work and effort affords me the opportunity to be half as successful in my profession as you were in yours I will consider myself a very lucky man.
Congrats on putting together an exceptional MLB resume, and enjoy your retirement.
James
yanksphan
03-24-09, 06:40 AM
http://nomaas.org/images/SlappyOHairless.gif
Wow. Just look at that spunk.
yankeesAZ
03-24-09, 07:06 AM
Curt kind of announced his retirement right here not long ago:
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?p=5738346#post5738346
FWIW I am not a Red Sox, haven't been for a few months now and pretty sure never will be again.
Nyyfans had the scoop!
Anyway happy retirement Curt. Still rue the day, the D-Backs traded you to Boston for a bag of baseballs basically.
TommyK8
03-24-09, 07:12 AM
Dear Curt,
Enjoy your retirement. Go away now. Take the Red Sox Fans with you.
Thanks.First, I have a 3 point handicap in the baseball prediction contest, and now this.
DontHateOnNumber2
03-24-09, 08:13 AM
Wow. Just look at that spunk.
No need to be sarcastic. It's obvious that Pedroia is just giving him props for making such a bang-bang play. Though that's not a flattering shot of him. He looks like what I'd think Josh Beckett looked like at 13.
35Knucklecurve
03-24-09, 08:14 AM
Thanks for being fans of the game that gave me everything outside of the Lord and my family. Thanks for helping create a rivalry no player can EVER understand unless they partake in it.
God Bless
Curt
I just finished Verducci's book with Torre and I thought it was funny that you'd mention the Sox/Yankee rivarly because both Francona and Joe were tired of it. :lol:
When the stakes were the highest, you were at your best. I hated to see you on the mound in post season, but I know that as a pro athlete, you always want to beat the best. Take care.
yankeebot
03-24-09, 08:33 AM
Anyone taking "I guess I hate the Yankees now" literally is an idiot.
Nice. :)
b-ball-lunachick
03-24-09, 08:36 AM
Nice. :)
Yes, I was just reading that too Linda..let's see how many Red Sox fans come in here and call him out for his classy comment. ;)
Will his mouth retire as well?
i highly doubt it.
Reggie Smith
03-24-09, 09:42 AM
I'm probably gonna start a big argument with this, but now the discussion of if he's Hall of Fame worthy or not will arise...
I think he will probably get in, but I don't think he SHOULD get in. He was great, don't get me wrong, but I don't think he was Hall of Fame worthy. If he gets in, Mussina should be in the Hall as well.
Will he? Yes, I do think so.
Should he? Really on the fence here. He himself doesn't think so.
Should Mussina? Absolutely, and moreso than Schilling.
CoyoteYankee
03-24-09, 10:13 AM
I didn't realize that Curt wasn't retired already! :lol:
Good luck...please give me one season without your face and opinions all over baseball and the MLB network.
Thanks and good luck!
Mantle'sMutt
03-24-09, 10:44 AM
Thanks. Most of you have handled my infrequent appearances here pretty calmly and I thought we had some decent back and forth.
When I chose the Red Sox (read Hatfields) I made my bed for better or worse since the Yankees (read Mccoys) presented a rivalry unmatched in sports.
Anyone taking "I guess I hate the Yankees now" literally is an idiot. It was a figure of speech. Now 5 years later there ARE some Yankee fans I intensely dislike, and they usually sat within shouting distance of the visiting dugout at Yankee stadium.
I can't hate the team that presented me with the ultimate challenges in my career, and the teams I played for.
To be the best you have to beat the best, and that was the Yankees. The sober fans in Yankee stadium were every bit as venomous and intelligent as the ones in Fenway, and that's what made it, and always will make it, the greatest and most intense rivalry in sports.
That I got the chance to be an intimate part of it is just cool as hell.
I know I did something right, because Yankee fans never seemed to boo the 5th outfielder or utility guy, but they had some clear throats when my name went over the loud speaker. I'd love to tell you anything but the truth, but that was as much motivation as anyone could possibly need not to suck in that ballpark.
Thanks for being fans of the game that gave me everything outside of the Lord and my family. Thanks for helping create a rivalry no player can EVER understand unless they partake in it.
God Bless
Curt
Nice juxtaposition of sentiments there, Curt. BTW, the guy close to the visitor's dugout would have been me, could I have afforded the tickets.
NYYfan24
03-24-09, 11:03 AM
Curt,
I wish you a long, happy retirement. Sorry I could NEVER root for you... :P but I can't deny that you had great talent.
Now that your long, successful career is over.... can you tell us if it was really blood on that sock back in 2004?? :)
LongLiveBernie51!
03-24-09, 11:07 AM
Nice juxtaposition of sentiments there, Curt. BTW, the guy close to the visitor's dugout would have been me, could I have afforded the tickets.
Nicely said.
DiMaggio5CF
03-24-09, 11:25 AM
Curt,
I wish you a long, happy retirement. Sorry I could NEVER root for you... :P but I can't deny that you had great talent.
Now that your long, successful career is over.... can you tell us if it was really blood on that sock back in 2004?? :)
Of course not. Anyone who took that red spot literally is an idiot.
THEBOSS84
03-24-09, 11:27 AM
You all know that if Schilling were a Yankee, we'd worship the ground he steps on. Paul O'neil style, but more due to his HOF status.
Just one man's opinion.
roblyo33
03-24-09, 11:33 AM
You all know that if Schilling were a Yankee, we'd worship the ground he steps on. Paul O'neil style, but more due to his HOF status.
Just one man's opinion.
You know what they say about opnions.............;)
THEBOSS84
03-24-09, 11:35 AM
You know what they say about opnions.............;)
Sure do, I just wanted to throw that out there though.
Lots of venom aimed towards Schil, none from me.
GAMER.
I'm a baseball fan. I don't give a crap about off the field stuff.
effdamets
03-24-09, 11:36 AM
You all know that if Schilling were a Yankee, we'd worship the ground he steps on. Paul O'neil style, but more due to his HOF status.
Just one man's opinion.
I fully disagree with these "if Schill were a Yankee, we'd love him" thoughts.
He would have had to succeed in pinstripes first. To an extent that pitchers before him didn't. We don't worship Jimmy Key in that "Paul O'Neill" type manner, do we? And he brought a championship to the Bronx after a pretty long wait - Schilling couldn't do that.
How about El Duque who really saved the 1998 Yankees from 'embarrassing themselves in the ALCS? Or Roger Clemes who pitched a 2 hit shutout against the mighty 2001 Mariners?
Schilling would not have been revered as a Yankee pitcher the way he is revered by The Red Sox fanbase because there was nothing "out of the ordinary" for him to accomplish in New York.
roblyo33
03-24-09, 11:38 AM
Sure do, I just wanted to throw that out there though.
Lots of venom aimed towards Schil, none from me.
GAMER.
I'm a baseball fan. I don't give a crap about off the field stuff.
Just kidding with you. I have an opinion,also, and I will just keep it to myself. Let's just say that he is not one of my favorite ex- MLB participants.
Mantle'sMutt
03-24-09, 11:39 AM
You all know that if Schilling were a Yankee, we'd worship the ground he steps on. Paul O'neil style, but more due to his HOF status.
Just one man's opinion.
If that were true, I'd like Clemens. ;)
Just one man's opinion.
35Knucklecurve
03-24-09, 11:41 AM
Will he? Yes, I do think so.
Should he? Really on the fence here. He himself doesn't think so.
Should Mussina? Absolutely, and moreso than Schilling.
Buster Olney brought up the issue with some of the HOF voters carrying a grudge because Schilling rubbed them the wrong way. Of course it shouldn't even enter into the decision, but as he said, sadly, it does. Like Moose, he should also get some credit for pitching during the steroid era, but I doubt it'll be enough to get him in. 216 wins vs. 270 for Mike is a big gap and all of those 270 were in the AL East.
His post season record was outstanding, but the regular season stats don't quite match up to others who're already in or will be. Although he "only" has 214 wins, Pedro will be voted in because he was so dominant for years and only has 99 loses vs. 146 for Schilling and Curt's career lasted 20 years. Post season stats vs. career stats - it'll be interesting in 5 years to see how the committee handles it.
THEBOSS84
03-24-09, 11:52 AM
I fully disagree with these "if Schill were a Yankee, we'd love him" thoughts.
He would have had to succeed in pinstripes first. To an extent that pitchers before him didn't. We don't worship Jimmy Key in that "Paul O'Neill" type manner, do we? And he brought a championship to the Bronx after a pretty long wait - Schilling couldn't do that.
How about El Duque who really saved the 1998 Yankees from 'embarrassing themselves in the ALCS? Or Roger Clemes who pitched a 2 hit shutout against the mighty 2001 Mariners?
Schilling would not have been revered as a Yankee pitcher the way he is revered by The Red Sox fanbase because there was nothing "out of the ordinary" for him to accomplish in New York.
I would separate Key from the others in your post.
The others came along for the ride and helped something good out.
I personally would have loved to have had Schilling from 2004-2007 instead of Javier Vazquez (who is not sick BTW). I think he would have become a legend here, but again, that's just me.
Mantle'sMutt
03-24-09, 11:52 AM
Buster Olney brought up the issue with some of the HOF voters carrying a grudge because Schilling rubbed them the wrong way. Of course it shouldn't even enter into the decision, but as he said, sadly, it does. Like Moose, he should also get some credit for pitching during the steroid era, but I doubt it'll be enough to get him in. 214 wins vs. 270 for Mike is a big gap and all of those 270 were in the AL East.
His post season record was outstanding, but the regular season stats don't quite match up to others who're already in or will be.
If a person could only choose one between the two, there is no contest. I personally think there should be no question regarding a Moose induction, and many were thinking that a possibility when he was still with the Orioles. I never really heard much talk of Schilling and the Hall until his postseason success. A very good pitcher, yes, Great postseason performer, yes, HOF'er? Not on that basis. If so, then Bernie gets in, too. Another very good player with great postseason stats.
Curt... just do us Yanks fans a favor. For the love of god please don't take an ESPN job. We already think they hate the Yankees.
Reggie Smith
03-24-09, 11:58 AM
- it'll be interesting in 5 years to see how the committee handles it.
It definately won't be in 5 years. He does not deserve a first-ballot election. 5 years will tell us how far he has to go, but I'm guessing that in a down year, maybe year 8-9 (just a guess here) that he will get in.
THEBOSS84
03-24-09, 12:01 PM
It definately won't be in 5 years. He does not deserve a first-ballot election. 5 years will tell us how far he has to go, but I'm guessing that in a down year, maybe year 8-9 (just a guess here) that he will get in.
It was cute seeing Gammons trying to get him on the first ballot last night.
TheoShmeo
03-24-09, 12:05 PM
Yes, I was just reading that too Linda..let's see how many Red Sox fans come in here and call him out for his classy comment. ;)
You'd have to be pretty tone deaf to believe Schilling meant that.
He made that comment sheepishly while shrugging his shoulders and, even if you missed the press conference, it was well known that he had listed the Phillies, Yankees and Red Sox as the teams he'd accept a trade to in 2003. If he really hated the Yankees, he wouldn't have considered going there inthe first place.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1669959
"I am going to meet with (Boston) on Wednesday," Schilling said. "Money is not going to be the key factor. I already have more money then I am ever going to spend. It will have to be right for me, my wife and family. The Red Sox have some positives, the Yankees have some positives, but we will see after I talk to them."
.....
Schilling said he would not agree to any trades after the start of spring training. He did not indicate whether he was likely to accept this deal, but said he would only consider a trade to three teams, listing his preferences in order as the Philadelphia Phillies, New York Yankees (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=nyy) and Boston.
As he's said numerous times in the past and as he repeated in this thread, the thing for Schilling was to be playing in the Rivalary. When he got to the Sox, he said "I guess I hate the Yankees now" since he was part of it, but as a Sox fan who would love to believe that all of the Sox players hate the Yankees (and vice versa), I well knew then and know now that he didn't mean that. The days of Munson, Nettles, Lee and Fisk truly hating the opposition are long over.
And yeah, my signature could be read as contradicting my point. My assumption is that Schilling said that after having been in the rivalry, and like guys like Jeter and Pettitte vis-a-vis the Red Sox, at this point, Schilling couldn't love the Yankees.
Reggie Smith
03-24-09, 12:06 PM
If a person could only choose one between the two, there is no contest. I personally think there should be no question regarding a Moose induction, and many were thinking that a possibility when he was still with the Orioles. I never really heard much talk of Schilling and the Hall until his postseason success. A very good pitcher, yes, Great postseason performer, yes, HOF'er? Not on that basis. If so, then Bernie gets in, too. Another very good player with great postseason stats.
I agree with the Moose angle. He is a sure-fire for me...not in year 1 but by year 2-3. the difference when bring up Bernie is his stats are accumulated stats. Schill's were average stats. That makes a difference (for me anyway).
It's not unusual for people to change their opinions about players credentials as they get near the end of their careers. A 3rd WS win. Another great PS...eventually you look and see, to Eddie's point earlier, tremendous k/bb stats, low ERA, and it creeps up on you.
Mantle'sMutt
03-24-09, 12:13 PM
I agree with the Moose angle. He is a sure-fire for me...not in year 1 but by year 2-3. the difference when bring up Bernie is his stats are accumulated stats. Schill's were average stats. That makes a difference (for me anyway).
It's not unusual for people to change their opinions about players credentials as they get near the end of their careers. A 3rd WS win. Another great PS...eventually you look and see, to Eddie's point earlier, tremendous k/bb stats, low ERA, and it creeps up on you.
Point taken with regard to the Bernie analogy. Perhaps I am reacting to the numerous calls I have been hearing and reading from people who want to argue for Schilling's induction, mostly based on post-season performance. As of now, I just don't think the entire body of work deserves induction (though the k/bb IS impressive), but I will try to keep an open mind as the years pass by - as if that makes a difference. ;).
yankeebot
03-24-09, 12:13 PM
You'd have to be pretty tone deaf to believe Schilling meant that.
Who cares if he means it or not? Once again, he comes to a Yankee site and refers to Yankee fans as idiots. What a guy.
Yes, I was just reading that too Linda..let's see how many Red Sox fans come in here and call him out for his classy comment. ;)
You're going to compare that, to someone saying, "F him, good riddance"??
I know the address above me says nyyfans, but this is a tough crowd.
Mantle'sMutt
03-24-09, 12:15 PM
Who cares if he means it or not? Once again, he comes to a Yankee site and refers to Yankee fans as idiots. What a guy.
Wonder what would hit the fan if someone like, say, Swisher would do something similar on that Horn site. Be fun to see.
effdamets
03-24-09, 12:16 PM
You're going to compare that, to someone saying, "F him, good riddance"??
I know the address above me says nyyfans, but this is a tough crowd.
What do you think Sox fans are going to say about Rivera when he retires? Or about Jeter?
Let me give you a little preview....
"F*ck him, good riddance and never come back!!!!!"
Just so you know and can prepare yourself.
CallOfTheCrow
03-24-09, 12:17 PM
What do you think Sox fans are going to say about Rivera when he retires? Or about Jeter?
Let me give you a little preview....
"F*ck him, good riddance and never come back!!!!!"
Just so you know and can prepare yourself.
That's putting it politely.
yankeebot
03-24-09, 12:19 PM
Wonder what would hit the fan if someone like, say, Swisher would do something similar on that Horn site. Be fun to see.Go back and look at all the fun from when Shelley Duncan wrote Sox Suck on an autograph and you'll get a pretty good idea. And that was coming from AAAA Shelley and not even on their website.
effdamets
03-24-09, 12:20 PM
That's putting it politely.
Of course.
Rival fans are vile towards the stars of their enemy.
No big deal to me.
yankeebot
03-24-09, 12:21 PM
Of course.
Rival fans are vile towards the stars of their enemy.
No big deal to me.Exactly. What kind of rivalry is it anyway if there isn't any hate?
LongLiveBernie51!
03-24-09, 12:22 PM
Wonder what would hit the fan if someone like, say, Swisher would do something similar on that Horn site. Be fun to see.
Or seeing Posada show up and talk about his accomplishments.
Reggie Smith
03-24-09, 12:23 PM
Point taken with regard to the Bernie analogy. Perhaps I am reacting to the numerous calls I have been hearing and reading from people who want to argue for Schilling's induction, mostly based on post-season performance. As of now, I just don't think the entire body of work deserves induction (though the k/bb IS impressive), but I will try to keep an open mind as the years pass by - as if that makes a difference. ;).
Only if you have a vote! If I were not a RS fan, I would look at it probably more critically. I'm trying not to, which is why I've said "I'm on the fence". Not to bring up bad memories, but after 2004 it's hard to not look only at the positive about the guy. If I were a Royals fan (are there any left) that opinion may mean more than one from a Sox or Yankees. Just a thought.
i think its pretty cool that Curt isnt so wrapped up in himself and can come to this site and post once in a while.
roblyo33
03-24-09, 12:25 PM
i think its pretty cool that Curt isnt so wrapped up in himself and can come to this site and post once in a while.
Or...........he is so wrapped up in himself that he comes to this site?? Just a thought.
Snatch Catch
03-24-09, 12:26 PM
i think its pretty cool that Curt isnt so wrapped up in himself and can come to this site and post once in a while.
:lol: :roflmao: :lol: It funny because the reason he posts here is the polar opposite of that.
LongLiveBernie51!
03-24-09, 12:26 PM
i think its pretty cool that Curt isnt so wrapped up in himself and can come to this site and post once in a while.
Why do you honestly think he comes on this site to talk about himself to us for?
Reggie Smith
03-24-09, 12:27 PM
What do you think Sox fans are going to say about Rivera when he retires? Or about Jeter?
Let me give you a little preview....
"F*ck him, good riddance and never come back!!!!!"
Just so you know and can prepare yourself.
Absolutely, 100% not true. I have nothing but respect for the both of them. They have handles their successes, and failures, with nothing but class and are amongst the best at their position of all time (Rivera) or their time (Jeter). Jeter with the deoderant poster...excellent stuff. Rivera tipping his hat to start the 2005 season was the funniest thing I've seen at the park in a long time. Yeah, they wear pinstripes...but not sure how I could hate either of them.
roblyo33
03-24-09, 12:38 PM
Absolutely, 100% not true. I have nothing but respect for the both of them. They have handles their successes, and failures, with nothing but class and are amongst the best at their position of all time (Rivera) or their time (Jeter). Jeter with the deoderant poster...excellent stuff. Rivera tipping his hat to start the 2005 season was the funniest thing I've seen at the park in a long time. Yeah, they were pinstripes...but not sure how I could hate either of them.
A typo or, were they DFA'ed???
Reggie Smith
03-24-09, 12:41 PM
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A typo or, were they DFA'ed???
Ha! Stupid job got in the way there. Fixed it....
effdamets
03-24-09, 12:42 PM
Absolutely, 100% not true. I have nothing but respect for the both of them. They have handles their successes, and failures, with nothing but class and are amongst the best at their position of all time (Rivera) or their time (Jeter). Jeter with the deoderant poster...excellent stuff. Rivera tipping his hat to start the 2005 season was the funniest thing I've seen at the park in a long time. Yeah, they wear pinstripes...but not sure how I could hate either of them.
I never said anything about hate.
Just the fact that Sox fans are not going to be begging Rivera or Jeter to come back anytime soon after they retire.....
Reggie Smith
03-24-09, 01:03 PM
I never said anything about hate.
Just the fact that Sox fans are not going to be begging Rivera or Jeter to come back anytime soon after they retire.....
Fair enough. But, if Jeter keeps regressing..... I kid, I kid!!!!
Point taken with regard to the Bernie analogy. Perhaps I am reacting to the numerous calls I have been hearing and reading from people who want to argue for Schilling's induction, mostly based on post-season performance. As of now, I just don't think the entire body of work deserves induction (though the k/bb IS impressive), but I will try to keep an open mind as the years pass by - as if that makes a difference. ;).
I think that for Curt to get in, it'll be on perception and not purely on stats.
Some players seem better than what their final stats indicate. Maybe they developed their reputaion during the postseason or always seemed to come up big in a tough spot. Maybe they played on a lot of championship teams.Maybe it was just hogwash. In any case, I think Curt falls into this group of players. Enough so to compensate for 214 wins and no Cy Youngs? I dunno, but I think he'll be a lot closer than any other pitcher with comparable "stats" has been.
TommyK8
03-24-09, 01:54 PM
What do you think Sox fans are going to say about Rivera when he retires? Or about Jeter?
Let me give you a little preview....
"F*ck him, good riddance and never come back!!!!!"
Just so you know and can prepare yourself.Are you kidding me? This is one of the most incorrect posts I have ever read on nyyfans
Red Sox fans are generally also baseball fans. Mariano Rivera is the greatest closer of all time and while I hate to see him warming up in the bullpen and while it usually means the Red Sox are going to lose, he is a first ballot Hall of Famer and deserves respect not only for his onfield accomplishments, but he's also a solid citizen as well.
I have in the past similarly praised Derek Jeter for being a talented player, winner, and champion. I have accorded similar respect to Paul O'Neill, Tino Martinez, Scott Brosius and Bernie Williams.
Just to show you how wrong you are, all of those players in the paragraph above are retired. There was no commentary like that here or on Red Sox sites when they retired. Most Red Sox fans expressed admiration and respect for them, and well they should.
Are you kidding me? This is one of the most incorrect posts I have ever read on nyyfans
Red Sox fans are generally also baseball fans. Mariano Rivera is the greatest closer of all time and while I hate to see him warming up in the bullpen and while it usually means the Red Sox are going to lose, he is a first ballot Hall of Famer and deserves respect not only for his onfield accomplishments, but he's also a solid citizen as well.
I have in the past similarly praised Derek Jeter for being a talented player, winner, and champion. I have accorded similar respect to Paul O'Neill, Tino Martinez, Scott Brosius and Bernie Williams.
Just to show you how wrong you are, all of those players in the paragraph above are retired. There was no commentary like that here or on Red Sox sites when they retired. Most Red Sox fans expressed admiration and respect for them, and well they should.
No commentary on any sawx fan site?
You'd have to be pretty tone deaf to believe Schilling meant that.
He made that comment sheepishly while shrugging his shoulders and, even if you missed the press conference, it was well known that he had listed the Phillies, Yankees and Red Sox as the teams he'd accept a trade to in 2003. If he really hated the Yankees, he wouldn't have considered going there inthe first place.Schilling was an instant rivalry poseur the minute he was traded to the Sox. The fact that he listed the Yankees as a team he wanted to go to, and then immediately started in like he'd been part of the rivalry for years with his anti-Yankee commentary rubbed some people (present party included) the wrong way. And are you really implying that press conference was the only time he made an anti-NYY or even anti-NYC comment?
He tried to play up the rivalry to get in good with Boston fans and to me it came off over the top and poseur-ish.
I admire his ability - how could you not - and I admire his charitable work, but I'm not a fan of the scenario I just described.
Are you kidding me? This is one of the most incorrect posts I have ever read on nyyfans
Red Sox fans are generally also baseball fans. Mariano Rivera is the greatest closer of all time and while I hate to see him warming up in the bullpen and while it usually means the Red Sox are going to lose, he is a first ballot Hall of Famer and deserves respect not only for his onfield accomplishments, but he's also a solid citizen as well.
I have in the past similarly praised Derek Jeter for being a talented player, winner, and champion. I have accorded similar respect to Paul O'Neill, Tino Martinez, Scott Brosius and Bernie Williams.
Just to show you how wrong you are, all of those players in the paragraph above are retired. There was no commentary like that here or on Red Sox sites when they retired. Most Red Sox fans expressed admiration and respect for them, and well they should.Yeah, Mo is a really poor comp. The guy has been nearly flawless both on and off the field. Very respectful of the competition, very modest, no controversy. Schilling on the other hand...
A better comp might be A-Rod. When he retires, what would you expect to read on SOSH?
MaineSoxFan
03-24-09, 02:21 PM
Yeah, Mo is a really poor comp. The guy has been nearly flawless both on and off the field. Very respectful of the competition, very modest, no controversy. Schilling on the other hand...
A better comp might be A-Rod. When he retires, what would you expect to read on SOSH?
That could get ugly.
Yeah, Mo is a really poor comp. The guy has been nearly flawless both on and off the field. Very respectful of the competition, very modest, no controversy. Schilling on the other hand...
A better comp might be A-Rod. When he retires, what would you expect to read on SOSH?
It depends on how succesful the Yankees are over the remainder of his contract. Should he be instumental in leading them to a few titles, you won't read very nice things about him after he goes. If he doesn't lead the Yankees to any titles, you'd probably see a lot of "mock" regrets that he's gone.
TheoShmeo
03-24-09, 02:24 PM
And are you really implying that press conference was the only time he made an anti-NYY or even anti-NYC comment?
I'm not implying that. I'm stating that his comment in his first press conference was pretty obviously tongue in cheek.
TheoShmeo
03-24-09, 02:25 PM
That could get ugly.
Then again, it might be ugly at NYYFans, too.
Bozidar
03-24-09, 02:26 PM
A better comp might be A-Rod. When he retires, what would you expect to read on SOSH?I expect anyone who posts on both SOSH and Nyyfans.com will likely have trouble knowing which site they're currently reading.
I'm not implying that. I'm stating that his comment in his first press conference was pretty obviously tongue in cheek.So what? The point was that Schilling went out of his way to tick off Yankee fans and really acted as if he'd been part of this rivalry since it started. Even if you go with the assumption that his first comment was tongue in cheek, what does that have to do with the second? The third? And so on? What is your point?
WashingtonYankee
03-24-09, 02:40 PM
What a great player. Kudos to him for his great career even.
:)
justtxyank
03-24-09, 02:45 PM
I hate ESPN.
ESPN rad the headline "Why Schilling decided to walk away from the game..."
WHAT?
Mike Mussina walked away from the game, the game walked away from Curt Schilling.
I don't mean this is as a personal attack against him, but he wasn't in high demand LAST year and ended up getting a contract from the Sox only to sit out the entire season due to injury. He wasn't in any demand this offseason. The idea that he "walked away" is so laughable. But that's ESPN for you...
Mantle'sMutt
03-24-09, 02:58 PM
Curly Top Dan of the Globe was just on Dan Patrick and said about Schilling (among other thsngs) that all of the rumors he would play again came solely from Schilling's blog, that Schilling's responses on his blog are always contrived and often contradictory, that Schilling is a "blow hard" (old news) and, based on regular season numbers, is not a HoF'er. But what do the out of town writers say?
It's funny, a lot of guys start their careers with a bang and look like sure fire Hall of Famers only to see their careers tail off due to age/injury. With Curt, his career took the opposite arc.
From age 30-39, he won 155 games, which is pretty impressive.
However, through age 30, he only won 52 career games--which is three really good seasons for some pitchers.
There's no doubt that if he doesn't get in, it will be because of the first half of his career. Right now, the good years are much fresher in people's minds than the mediocre ones, but I wonder if that will still be true in five years?
b-ball-lunachick
03-24-09, 03:46 PM
It's funny, a lot of guys start their careers with a bang and look like sure fire Hall of Famers only to see their careers tail off due to age/injury. With Curt, his career took the opposite arc.
From age 30-39, he won 155 games, which is pretty impressive.
However, through age 30, he only won 52 career games--which is three really good seasons for some pitchers.
There's no doubt that if he doesn't get in, it will be because of the first half of his career. Right now, the good years are much fresher in people's minds than the mediocre ones, but I wonder if that will still be true in five years?
Didn't he need some tough love/hard advice from Clemens to turn things around?
Interesting that if he had been more dedicated and had more wins during that time, he would have a stronger candidacy for the HOF...to me, he's borderline at best and I don't think he gets in...
DEADSOX
03-24-09, 03:52 PM
What do you think Sox fans are going to say about Rivera when he retires? Or about Jeter?
Let me give you a little preview....
"F*ck him, good riddance and never come back!!!!!"
Just so you know and can prepare yourself.
I can honestly say I've never heard a Red Sox fan say a bad thing about Rivera. One of my old professors, absolutely diehard Sox fan, said if he could take any player on his team it would be Rivera.
Derek Jeter is a different story, I've heard a lot of colorful terms used for him from Sox fans.
yankeebot
03-24-09, 03:53 PM
It's funny, a lot of guys start their careers with a bang and look like sure fire Hall of Famers only to see their careers tail off due to age/injury. With Curt, his career took the opposite arc.
From age 30-39, he won 155 games, which is pretty impressive.
However, through age 30, he only won 52 career games--which is three really good seasons for some pitchers.
There's no doubt that if he doesn't get in, it will be because of the first half of his career. Right now, the good years are much fresher in people's minds than the mediocre ones, but I wonder if that will still be true in five years?Let me just preface this by saying I believe he's clean but do you think the fact that he did have much better results after he turned 30 while pitching in the steroid era may play against him when his name comes up for the HOF?
THEBOSS84
03-24-09, 03:55 PM
Let me just preface this by saying I believe he's clean but do you think the fact that he did have much better results after he turned 30 while pitching in the steroid era may play against him when his name comes up for the HOF?
I believe he's clean too, but I think the question may arise. There are other pitchers who have had similar trends - Unit and Wells to name a few. Both put up the majority of their career numbers (in a big way, off the top of my head) after they turned 30...Unit in the NL though, but Wells in the AL East mostly...both in the steroid era.
Casey at the Bat
03-24-09, 03:58 PM
What do you think Sox fans are going to say about Rivera when he retires? Or about Jeter?
Let me give you a little preview....
"F*ck him, good riddance and never come back!!!!!"
Just so you know and can prepare yourself.
Nothing but respect for both Jeter and Rivera from me (although I admit to cheering when he came in to close at Fenway at the beginning of the season a few years ago, after he a blew a save or two to start the season). I hate seeing Jeter up to bat, no matter what team he is playing. Same for Rivera. But when they retire, the only thing I am going to be saying is "He was a HELL of a ball player. I am glad I got to see him play."
b-ball-lunachick
03-24-09, 04:12 PM
Nothing but respect for both Jeter and Rivera from me (although I admit to cheering when he came in to close at Fenway at the beginning of the season a few years ago, after he a blew a save or two to start the season). I hate seeing Jeter up to bat, no matter what team he is playing. Same for Rivera. But when they retire, the only thing I am going to be saying is "He was a HELL of a ball player. I am glad I got to see him play."
I'm not sure why those names were mentioned anyway...they are not guys with obnoxious personalities...the Sox fans I know feel the same way as you...they also got more respect for Mo when he tipped his cap at Fenway when they cheered him....
Let me just preface this by saying I believe he's clean but do you think the fact that he did have much better results after he turned 30 while pitching in the steroid era may play against him when his name comes up for the HOF?
I thought about that when I posted those numbers too. Normally, you'd be skeptical of a player with a split like that. I think he showed enough potential during the beginning of his career, in 1993 particualrly, that his later numbers are somewhat credible. It might be different if he were nothing more than a journeyman pitcher who suddenly defied everybody's expectations.
TommyK8
03-24-09, 04:19 PM
Yeah, Mo is a really poor comp. The guy has been nearly flawless both on and off the field. Very respectful of the competition, very modest, no controversy. Schilling on the other hand...
A better comp might be A-Rod. When he retires, what would you expect to read on SOSH?The funny thing about ARod is that the commentary doesn't have to start with Red Sox fans. Examine your own fanbase first, and then we can discuss the rest of baseball. I have been in Yankee Stadium many times over the past several seasons. ARod has at times been booed unmercifully by the Yankee fans themselves. Very loud booing. Then we have the New York tabloids which eviscerate him regularly. Joe Torre threw him under the bus in an SI article two years ago, and he sorta did again in his book. Some of ARod's biggest critics are Yankee fans.
justtxyank
03-24-09, 04:24 PM
I believe he's clean too, but I think the question may arise. There are other pitchers who have had similar trends - Unit and Wells to name a few. Both put up the majority of their career numbers (in a big way, off the top of my head) after they turned 30...Unit in the NL though, but Wells in the AL East mostly...both in the steroid era.
Randy Johnson though is easy to explain. His mechanics were a LONG work in progress. He was however in the majors by age 24 and had his first "good" year at age 26 and never had another year that was even average, let alone below, until his early 40s.
Here in Houston they were saying this morning on 1560 that the knock on Schilling early was that he wasn't committed to baseball and had a bad work ethic early in his career.
The funny thing about ARod is that the commentary doesn't have to start with Red Sox fans. Examine your own fanbase first, and then we can discuss the rest of baseball. I have been in Yankee Stadium many times over the past several seasons. ARod has at times been booed unmercifully by the Yankee fans themselves. Very loud booing. Then we have the New York tabloids which eviscerate him regularly. Joe Torre threw him under the bus in an SI article two years ago, and he sorta did again in his book. Some of ARod's biggest critics are Yankee fans.
Hey Timmy, it's really irritating when you ( again ) attempt to tell people what they should be discussing and when you deem it proper to do so.
Just to let ya know as I'm sure you have no intention of flaming
yankeebot
03-24-09, 05:09 PM
Hey Timmy, it's really irritating when you ( again ) attempt to tell people what they should be discussing and when you deem it proper to do so.
Just to let ya know as I'm sure you have no intention of flaming :lol: Right.:lol:
puffyme
03-24-09, 05:12 PM
What do you think Sox fans are going to say about Rivera when he retires? Or about Jeter?
Let me give you a little preview....
"F*ck him, good riddance and never come back!!!!!"
Just so you know and can prepare yourself.
You couldn't be more wrong. Jeter and Mario are two of the classiest guys in the game. Always played it right. Did i hate it when they stuck it to the Sox yes. Both guys are 1st ballot Hall of Fame in my opinion, Now do I hate A-Rod and think he is a disgrace yep If he left baseball I would light a candle
The funny thing about ARod is that the commentary doesn't have to start with Red Sox fans. Examine your own fanbase first, and then we can discuss the rest of baseball. I have been in Yankee Stadium many times over the past several seasons. ARod has at times been booed unmercifully by the Yankee fans themselves. Very loud booing. Then we have the New York tabloids which eviscerate him regularly. Joe Torre threw him under the bus in an SI article two years ago, and he sorta did again in his book. Some of ARod's biggest critics are Yankee fans.You just loooove to argue. It's a comp. There are Sox fans that don't like Schilling outside the lines either. And by the end of his career, A-Rod will likely have played a key role in at least 1 WS championship in pinstripes, which may change the perspective of Yankee fans that boo him today.
I'm sure you got the point but chose to ignore it to try and get a rise out of people. Sorry - not biting.
Yeah, I'll look the gift horse in the mouth if the gift I'm getting is Curt Schilling.
Getting Curt Schilling to post on your board is like getting a kick in the nards for Christmas.
Thank you. Perfectly said. Except that it's apparently a kick that keeps on kicking.
Yankees Empire
03-24-09, 06:45 PM
Curt, congratulations on an excellent career. While I did find some of your off-the-field conduct to be, er, self-serving, you certainly did add a whole bunch of spice to this rivalry.
Oh, and if you do get inducted into Cooperstown, try to keep the speech under 13 hours, will you?
DEADSOX
03-24-09, 06:54 PM
Some people in here act is if it were Schillings life long plan to destroy the Yankees and their fans :lol:
jlw1980
03-24-09, 07:20 PM
Congrats on that illegitimate championship in '04. Gotta <s>love</s> hate the wild card. :gulp:
(And yes, I'd say the same were it the Yankees.)
BillBuckner
03-24-09, 08:41 PM
Congrats on that illegitimate championship in '04. Gotta <s>love</s> hate the wild card. :gulp:
(And yes, I'd say the same were it the Yankees.)
If it makes you feel any better, they did win the season series against us too I believe. Besides, you can't hold any admiration for a team to blows a 3-0 series lead.
Stashed_in_the_South
03-25-09, 01:02 AM
I have a quick question about the HoF "5 year rule".
Is Schilling eligible in 2012, because his last game was in 2007, or in 2013 as contracted for that season by Boston during 2008?
Mussina and Schilling would become eligible in the same year if it were the latter; anyone know?
Dave Visbeck
03-25-09, 03:10 AM
I have a quick question about the HoF "5 year rule".
Is Schilling eligible in 2012, because his last game was in 2007, or in 2013 as contracted for that season by Boston during 2008?
Mussina and Schilling would become eligible in the same year if it were the latter; anyone know?
Have things changed? Example. Do you maybe remember that Rickey Henderson played his final game in 2003? In his first year of eligibility for the National Baseball Hall of Fame ... Ricky makes the grade. (of course :)) He's in the class of 2009 coming up. That shows as 6 years between retirement and enshrinement.
Curt Schilling played his final game in 2007. I believe he would be eligible for the class of 2013. That's a 6-year spread again. The contract shouldn't make a difference. He did not take the field in 2008. A player has to be retired for five full years/seasons. In Mr. Schilling's case, he would be on the ballot sent out in January of 2013. I believe the voting then takes place in February. If he makes the grade, he's enshrined during the summer of 2013.
Unless the rules have changed. :-hide-: I'm a Sox fan ... so there is a good chance I could be wrong.
Mr. Mxylsplk
03-25-09, 08:55 AM
I have a quick question about the HoF "5 year rule".
Is Schilling eligible in 2012, because his last game was in 2007, or in 2013 as contracted for that season by Boston during 2008?
Mussina and Schilling would become eligible in the same year if it were the latter; anyone know?
You're eligible for election 5 years from when you were last active, not when you were last paid, so Schilling should be eligible a year earlier than Moose.
mentalgidget
03-25-09, 11:15 AM
You're eligible for election 5 years from when you were last active, not when you were last paid, so Schilling should be eligible a year earlier than Moose.
really? i always thought it was 5 yrs from when you "officially" retired
Mr. Mxylsplk
03-25-09, 11:19 AM
really? i always thought it was 5 yrs from when you "officially" retired
There's no language about retirement in their rules, just when a guy is active.
Player shall have ceased to be an active player in the Major Leagues at least five (5) calendar years preceding the election but may be otherwise connected with baseball.
http://web.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers/bbwaa.jsp
Soriambi
03-25-09, 11:19 AM
really? i always thought it was 5 yrs from when you "officially" retired
Nah. Ricky Henderson still hasn't officially retired, I don't think. He was searching for a job as a MLB player right up until he got elected to the HoF. :lol:
Meecham4ever
03-25-09, 05:08 PM
Congrats on that illegitimate championship in '04. Gotta <S>love</S> hate the wild card. :gulp:
(And yes, I'd say the same were it the Yankees.)
I believe that all WS championships won by a WC team should be wiped from the record,books,,along with with all those won pre-1947, and all Championships won in the Steroid Era.
Epy7280
03-25-09, 05:09 PM
Thanks. Most of you have handled my infrequent appearances here pretty calmly and I thought we had some decent back and forth.
When I chose the Red Sox (read Hatfields) I made my bed for better or worse since the Yankees (read Mccoys) presented a rivalry unmatched in sports.
Anyone taking "I guess I hate the Yankees now" literally is an idiot. It was a figure of speech. Now 5 years later there ARE some Yankee fans I intensely dislike, and they usually sat within shouting distance of the visiting dugout at Yankee stadium.
I can't hate the team that presented me with the ultimate challenges in my career, and the teams I played for.
To be the best you have to beat the best, and that was the Yankees. The sober fans in Yankee stadium were every bit as venomous and intelligent as the ones in Fenway, and that's what made it, and always will make it, the greatest and most intense rivalry in sports.
That I got the chance to be an intimate part of it is just cool as hell.
I know I did something right, because Yankee fans never seemed to boo the 5th outfielder or utility guy, but they had some clear throats when my name went over the loud speaker. I'd love to tell you anything but the truth, but that was as much motivation as anyone could possibly need not to suck in that ballpark.
Thanks for being fans of the game that gave me everything outside of the Lord and my family. Thanks for helping create a rivalry no player can EVER understand unless they partake in it.
God Bless
Curt
Dear Mr. Schilling,
Can I have your bloody sock :) ?
lol jk. Anyways Congrat on your retirement. You deserve it as well as your family since now you can spend more of your time with them. You were one of the top big game pitchers I ever since. And you did it in an era that is tainted with suspected steroids by many players and you proved to many that you didn't need Steroids to succeed. Do you only play MMO's? Go pick up MLB the Show '09 and lets play a game ;) . Name is FoxTrot-Two on PSN :D . Maybe we can have an replay of game 6 of the ALCS in 2004. Anyways congrats again.
Jenn6812
03-25-09, 05:56 PM
I believe that all WS championships won by a WC team should be wiped from the record,books,,along with with all those won pre-1947, and all Championships won in the Steroid Era.
Is that the first year that Jackie Robinson played? Do you know what year the steroid thing began. Was it some time in the 1980's?
First, I have a 3 point handicap in the baseball prediction contest, and now this.
You can thank Lou for the 3 point handicap.
I wanted it to be a 25 point handicap. Lou talked me out of it.
Epy7280
03-25-09, 09:21 PM
I can honestly say I've never heard a Red Sox fan say a bad thing about Rivera. One of my old professors, absolutely diehard Sox fan, said if he could take any player on his team it would be Rivera.
Derek Jeter is a different story, I've heard a lot of colorful terms used for him from Sox fans.
They call Mariano "Fruitbat" for some reason
They call Mariano "Fruitbat" for some reason
They say he looks like one. They post photos of a fruit bat on some boards to show how much he resembles one. Some Red Sox fans still poke fun at the tragedy that happened at his home in Panama.
They say he looks like one. They post photos of a fruit bat on some boards to show how much he resembles one. Some Red Sox fans still poke fun at the tragedy that happened at his home in Panama.
and some fans are poking fun at the kidnapping tragedy directly below this thread. i always the thought the fruitbat thing was funny and kind of true like the ortiz/shrek thing... and the schilling as a shark gif that the guys at nomass made a while back is pretty funny
HerbieLee20
03-25-09, 11:35 PM
Didn't he need some tough love/hard advice from Clemens to turn things around? .
Nice job by Olney: http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=olney_buster&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fespn%2fblog%2findex%3fname%3dolney_buster
(Apologies if already posted elsewhere -- lots of catching up to do. :))
Casey at the Bat
03-25-09, 11:59 PM
They call Mariano "Fruitbat" for some reason
I've called him far worse things than "fruitbat." BUt don't think for a second that I don't realize how great of a talent he is, or that I don't realize how great it is that I get to see him play live.
I never uttered a negative word towards Kei Igawa or Jeff Karstens. There's a reason for that, and it really isn't all that hard to figure out either.
Have things changed? Example. Do you maybe remember that Rickey Henderson played his final game in 2003? In his first year of eligibility for the National Baseball Hall of Fame ... Ricky makes the grade. (of course :)) He's in the class of 2009 coming up. That shows as 6 years between retirement and enshrinement.
Curt Schilling played his final game in 2007. I believe he would be eligible for the class of 2013. That's a 6-year spread again. The contract shouldn't make a difference. He did not take the field in 2008. A player has to be retired for five full years/seasons. In Mr. Schilling's case, he would be on the ballot sent out in January of 2013. I believe the voting then takes place in February. If he makes the grade, he's enshrined during the summer of 2013.
Unless the rules have changed. :-hide-: I'm a Sox fan ... so there is a good chance I could be wrong.
dave, you crazy Red Sox bastid, i couldnt agree with you more. did the real Curt Schilling really reply to you? that isnt really Curt Schilling is it?
TheYankee
03-26-09, 01:54 AM
I've actually never understood the angst for Schilling. Yeah, he beat our asses, and he had an opinion off the field, but what's wrong with a player -- GASP!! -- letting us know what he thinks?
4bronxbombers
03-26-09, 05:19 AM
You can thank Lou for the 3 point handicap.
I wanted it to be a 25 point handicap. Lou talked me out of it.
:lol: :D
Epy7280
03-26-09, 07:47 AM
and some fans are poking fun at the kidnapping tragedy directly below this thread. i always the thought the fruitbat thing was funny and kind of true like the ortiz/shrek thing... and the schilling as a shark gif that the guys at nomass made a while back is pretty funny
I remember that lol. I know it was messed up but man I couldn't help myself but to laugh a lil. I still remember one of the comments on SoSH were that when he is in Fenway and he is coming out of the pen that everyone should shake as if they were being electrocuted. I shouldn't have laughed but I did. Beside they were probably just kidding around.
Jeter Kid
03-26-09, 08:27 AM
I loved when he said he would throw at me when I said I could hit his fastball. :lol:
Have a good retirement, Schill.
Pancake
03-26-09, 05:39 PM
They call Mariano "Fruitbat" for some reason
They are so wrong. Clay Bucholz is a dead ringer for a fruitbat, in my humble opinion.
They are so wrong. Clay Bucholz is a dead ringer for a fruitbat, in my humble opinion.
Buchholz looks more like a squirrel, to me, and Beckett's more chipmunk.
35Knucklecurve
03-27-09, 08:32 AM
Buchholz looks more like a squirrel, to me, and Beckett's more chipmunk.
Okay - now I'll never be able to look at either one of them again without cracking up. :lol:
Carbon Fiber
03-27-09, 09:00 AM
Buchholz looks more like a squirrel, to me, and Beckett's more chipmunk.
definitely some genetic relationship there.
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?p=5824419#post5824419
Somebody should do a really cheap cartoon, Yanks/Sox with little animals as all the players. Too bad Moose retired. CC would have to be a bear, but it's tough to see how you'd come up with a Damon animal and an Ellsbury animal who weren't pretty much identical.
stephsamps
03-27-09, 12:06 PM
Somebody should do a really cheap cartoon, Yanks/Sox with little animals as all the players. Too bad Moose retired. CC would have to be a bear, but it's tough to see how you'd come up with a Damon animal and an Ellsbury animal who weren't pretty much identical.
Damon's would have cooler hair ;).
Yankeeah
03-27-09, 12:36 PM
Pedroia can be the chihuahua
Pedroia can be the chihuahua
I had a dream last night where Lil' Dusty was riding a hot wheels around the bases
Cracked me up
Tough call. He looks more like a mouse, but the personality does lean toward chihuahua.
roblyo33
03-27-09, 01:50 PM
I've actually never understood the angst for Schilling. Yeah, he beat our asses, and he had an opinion off the field, but what's wrong with a player -- GASP!! -- letting us know what he thinks?
Schill's problem was that he let us know what his thoughts were on anything and everything.
philleotardo
03-27-09, 09:39 PM
Pedroia can be the chihuahua.....that gets kicked in anger by its owner.
Steve Dalkowski
03-27-09, 09:51 PM
I had a dream last night where Lil' Dusty was riding a hot wheels around the bases
Cracked me upThis doesn't surprise me.
Yankees Empire
03-27-09, 11:13 PM
Pedroia can be the chihuahua
Yo quiero Taco Bell.
bobbymagee
03-28-09, 01:39 PM
Great Player, Greater Man. Statistics only paint a partial picture of the whole player. Too bad this goober wasn't a Yankee. Instead of Getting Big Unit in 05: We should have pushed for him in 02.
JohnnyDamonfan
03-28-09, 06:09 PM
Buchholz looks more like a squirrel, to me, and Beckett's more chipmunk.
Yeah I can really see a resemblance LOL.
What animal would Papelbon be?(I would love to hear the answers for this)
Bambino22
03-29-09, 02:34 PM
Congrats on that illegitimate championship in '04. Gotta <s>love</s> hate the wild card. :gulp:
(And yes, I'd say the same were it the Yankees.)
Gotta love our illegitimate 03 ALCS with chemistry helping us hit 2 out against Pedro.
_______
Also Curt made a cool list.
http://unsexy.thephoenix.com/Unsexy/78775-88-Curt-Schilling/
mjdlight
03-29-09, 04:35 PM
I don't like Curt's politics, or the pain he caused me in 2004 and ESPECIALLY in 2001, but I've got nothing but respect for the guy.
He's colorful and outspoken, and I think that's a good thing -- baseball has always had its outsized personalities in every generation of players, and they add to the game and its history.
Enjoy retirement Curt -- HOF or not, you were great.
Bronson'sCornrows
03-29-09, 09:38 PM
Yeah I can really see a resemblance LOL.
What animal would Papelbon be?(I would love to hear the answers for this)
If we can use extinct animals, definitely go with the Dodo. If not, rock the burro.
Bambino22
03-29-09, 10:25 PM
Curt Schilling should post in the political soapbox forum.
Congrats on that illegitimate championship in '04. Gotta <s>love</s> hate the wild card. :gulp:
(And yes, I'd say the same were it the Yankees.)
Me, too. I despise the WC (which is not coincidentally the same initials used for toilet)
35Knucklecurve
03-30-09, 07:59 AM
Yeah I can really see a resemblance LOL.
What animal would Papelbon be?(I would love to hear the answers for this)
A jackass.
Bronson'sCornrows
03-30-09, 10:40 AM
Me, too. I despise the WC (which is not coincidentally the same initials used for toilet)
I say we should nix the wildcard, completely dissolve interleague play, whack the DH, reinstate segregated leagues, bring back the spitball, and resurrect the best-of-nine World Series. I also strongly believe that a batter shouldn't receive a walk on fewer than nine balls. Who's with me?;)
Evolution is good for the game; it brings in more fans, higher ratings, and generates more revenue. In a 30 team league, do you really think only 4 teams should make the playoffs?
Not to pick on you guys, but the only people I ever hear complain about the wildcard are old people who nostalgically romanticise days gone by and Yankee fans whose team has been burned the past 8 years mostly by wildcard teams in the playoffs.
Soriambi
03-30-09, 10:45 AM
I say we should nix the wildcard, completely dissolve interleague play, whack the DH, reinstate segregated leagues, bring back the spitball, and resurrect the best-of-nine World Series. I also strongly believe that a batter shouldn't receive a walk on fewer than nine balls. Who's with me?;)
Evolution is good for the game; it brings in more fans, higher ratings, and generates more revenue. In a 30 team league, do you really think only 4 teams should make the playoffs?
Not to pick on you guys, but the only people I ever hear complain about the wildcard are old people who nostalgically romanticise days gone by and Yankee fans whose team has been burned the past 8 years mostly by wildcard teams in the playoffs.
The last half of your last sentence is a cheap shot and is not cool given the setting, but I was with you completely up to there. I think the Wild Card is very good for baseball. Baseball is still the most exclusive sport when it comes to teams making the playoffs by far, with only 27% of teams making it vs. 38% in football and much more in hockey and basketball. In baseball, I actually think that the Wild Card often makes the champion more legitimate, as it lessens the chance of the best team in a weak division winning the World Series.
The Wild Card winner is usually a very strong team that is as good as or better than at least one division winner. This has been true in every year except for two in the AL since the WC was established, and in each of those, the WC was within a game or two of the worst division winner. Several times, the WC has been the second best team in the league.
yankeebot
03-30-09, 10:50 AM
I say we should nix the wildcard, completely dissolve interleague play, whack the DH, reinstate segregated leagues, bring back the spitball, and resurrect the best-of-nine World Series. I also strongly believe that a batter shouldn't receive a walk on fewer than nine balls. Who's with me?;)
Evolution is good for the game; it brings in more fans, higher ratings, and generates more revenue. In a 30 team league, do you really think only 4 teams should make the playoffs?
Not to pick on you guys, but the only people I ever hear complain about the wildcard are old people who nostalgically romanticise days gone by and Yankee fans whose team has been burned the past 8 years mostly by wildcard teams in the playoffs.Always nice to see you showing your true colors. You should really do it more often. You've managed to fool a few people.
President Kennedy
03-30-09, 12:40 PM
I say we should nix the wildcard, completely dissolve interleague play, whack the DH, reinstate segregated leagues, bring back the spitball, and resurrect the best-of-nine World Series. I also strongly believe that a batter shouldn't receive a walk on fewer than nine balls. Who's with me?;)
Evolution is good for the game; it brings in more fans, higher ratings, and generates more revenue. In a 30 team league, do you really think only 4 teams should make the playoffs?
Not to pick on you guys, but the only people I ever hear complain about the wildcard are old people who nostalgically romanticise days gone by and Yankee fans whose team has been burned the past 8 years mostly by wildcard teams in the playoffs.
I'm sure once we win a WS via the WC, that will go away. Of course, spending a ton of money to finally win a couple of WS hasn't shut you guys up about payroll, so perhaps some things won't ever change.
35Knucklecurve
03-30-09, 03:30 PM
I say we should nix the wildcard, completely dissolve interleague play, whack the DH, reinstate segregated leagues, bring back the spitball, and resurrect the best-of-nine World Series. I also strongly believe that a batter shouldn't receive a walk on fewer than nine balls. Who's with me?;)
Evolution is good for the game; it brings in more fans, higher ratings, and generates more revenue. In a 30 team league, do you really think only 4 teams should make the playoffs?
Not to pick on you guys, but the only people I ever hear complain about the wildcard are old people who nostalgically romanticise days gone by and Yankee fans whose team has been burned the past 8 years mostly by wildcard teams in the playoffs.
If it wasn't for us old people, they're be no young people. When you're in your 50's or 60's, you'll be nostalgic about the good ol' steroid-juiced ball-corked bat era.;)
The last half of your last sentence is a cheap shot and is not cool given the setting, but I was with you completely up to there. I think the Wild Card is very good for baseball. Baseball is still the most exclusive sport when it comes to teams making the playoffs by far, with only 27% of teams making it vs. 38% in football and much more in hockey and basketball. In baseball, I actually think that the Wild Card often makes the champion more legitimate, as it lessens the chance of the best team in a weak division winning the World Series.
The Wild Card winner is usually a very strong team that is as good as or better than at least one division winner. This has been true in every year except for two in the AL since the WC was established, and in each of those, the WC was within a game or two of the worst division winner. Several times, the WC has been the second best team in the league.I agree. I really like the WC. Prevents fans from tuning out really early in the season. And let's be honest... for a team that constantly invests in it's on the field product like the Yankees, in the long run it will get us in far more often than we get knocked out because of it. And if the Yanks lose to a WC team then why should anyone expect they would have won a championship anyway?
Not to mention, it extends the playoffs and creates an underdog feel which is all good by me.
4bronxbombers
03-30-09, 03:33 PM
A jackass.
:lol: bingo
4bronxbombers
03-30-09, 03:34 PM
I say we should nix the wildcard, completely dissolve interleague play, whack the DH, reinstate segregated leagues, bring back the spitball, and resurrect the best-of-nine World Series. I also strongly believe that a batter shouldn't receive a walk on fewer than nine balls. Who's with me?;)
Evolution is good for the game; it brings in more fans, higher ratings, and generates more revenue. In a 30 team league, do you really think only 4 teams should make the playoffs?
Not to pick on you guys, but the only people I ever hear complain about the wildcard are old people who nostalgically romanticise days gone by and Yankee fans whose team has been burned the past 8 years mostly by wildcard teams in the playoffs.
Wow....very surprised at the cheap shot as Kev said.
NYYDragoon
03-30-09, 04:21 PM
Not to pick on you guys, but the only people I ever hear complain about the wildcard are ... Yankee fans whose team has been burned the past 8 years mostly by wildcard teams in the playoffs.Yeah, not to pick on us or anything.
Good grief.
Bronson'sCornrows
03-30-09, 04:33 PM
Always nice to see you showing your true colors. You should really do it more often. You've managed to fool a few people.
Nice try, sweetie, but I've said the same thing before on this very forum. It wasn't intended as a cheap shot the first time I said it (nor is it now), and it wasn't taken as such. I'm not really sure what has changed between now and then, but since I can't control it, I won't worry about it much.
I'm not really sure if your agenda is to intentionally lump every Sox fan on this board in with TommyK8 and TheoSchmeo or whether those two have you so paranoid that you're constantly on the lookout for bogeymen, but either way, take me out because I'm not interested in the boring, redundant drama fest the three of you share.
If I'm being unfair and you really have a point, you'd be well served to clearly state what, indeed, my "true colors" are, how I've been nefariously hiding them all this time, and in what other instances I have revealed them. If you can't, perhaps you can salvage your credibility and mine by apologizing to me.
As to anybody else who didn't like what I said, what precisely about it didn't you like? That I insinuated that the majority of wildcard haters are either old or Yankee fans? That's just my personal observation, and I clearly stated that. Did you dislike that I said the reason most Yankee fans who oppose the WC dislike it mostly because the Yankees have had trouble in the playoffs with WC teams the past 7-8 years? Why would anybody have a problem with that? Jesus Christ.
If any one of you told me that a disproportionate amount of salary cap proponents are small-market team and Red Sox fans, I wouldn't accuse you of being anti-Red Sox or trying to hurt my feelings. If you also told me that the biggest reason those Sox fans support the salary cap is largely an emotional reaction toward the success of the Yankees, I wouldn't pout my lips and accuse you showing your true colors. I've been in a million arguments here without ever having been accused of haboring some hidden agenda before. This seems like a pretty absurd reason to suddenly accuse me of having one.
Bronson'sCornrows
03-30-09, 04:38 PM
Yeah, not to pick on us or anything.
Good grief.
You guys = the two anti-WC posters I was responding to.
You guys ≠ the entire Yankee fanbase.
At least I know what the problem with my statement was now. A little irritated that so many people would take one sentence out of context, but I suppose I could have worded it differently and avoided the whole thing in the first place.
I agree. I really like the WC. Prevents fans from tuning out really early in the season. And let's be honest... for a team that constantly invests in it's on the field product like the Yankees, in the long run it will get us in far more often than we get knocked out because of it. And if the Yanks lose to a WC team then why should anyone expect they would have won a championship anyway?
Not to mention, it extends the playoffs and creates an underdog feel which is all good by me.
I don't get wrapped up in the whole division thing at all, other than as a means of making the playoffs. I didn't feel any better about 2007 than 2004 simply because we won the division. Didn't really bother me in 2005 that the Sox and Yanks had the same record and we were a WC and you were the division winner.
Personally, I would vote for dumping the divisions entirely, playing a balanced schedule, and the best four records get in.
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