View Full Version : The fate of Jason Varitek?
Varitek has a really huge problem. Boras really messed this one up. I can't see a team giving up a draft pick to sign the guy. If a team did that, that GM should be fired immediately. .
Lets say, Boston pulls off a trade for Montero or Salty then they no longer need Varitek. What happens then? Is it possible for a team to sign Varitek after a certain date and still not give up a draft pick?
What the are rules regarding this?
NYYDragoon
01-18-09, 03:51 PM
I can't answer your questions, but via mlbtraderumors.com, the Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2009/01/18/deep_thoughts_on_players/?page=4) is reporting that the Mariners are considering him "to improve the Seattle pitching staff." That could be a riot.
I can't answer your questions, but via mlbtraderumors.com, the Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2009/01/18/deep_thoughts_on_players/?page=4) is reporting that the Mariners are considering him "to improve the Seattle pitching staff." That could be a riot.
If the Mariners are that dumb, maybe Cash could get Felix for Melky.
Mr. Mxylsplk
01-18-09, 03:54 PM
There are a few scenarios outlined in this article. Most likely - wait until the amateur draft in June, after which there's no compensation involved, or do an nba-style sign and trade, where the Sox find someone who wants him and is willing to give something, though obviously less than a draft pick, and then sign him themselves to trade to that other team. Certainly a tough situation Tek put himself in.
http://blogs.weei.com/alexspeier/2009/01/13/mlb-red-sox-being-jason-varitek-or-his-successor/
DaSh 1s
01-18-09, 04:04 PM
I can't answer your questions, but via mlbtraderumors.com, the Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2009/01/18/deep_thoughts_on_players/?page=4) is reporting that the Mariners are considering him "to improve the Seattle pitching staff." That could be a riot.
Seattle's pick is proctected I would imagine. So it would be a Second Round pick, but even still.
eaganmafia
01-18-09, 04:22 PM
I can't answer your questions, but via mlbtraderumors.com, the Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2009/01/18/deep_thoughts_on_players/?page=4) is reporting that the Mariners are considering him "to improve the Seattle pitching staff." That could be a riot.
Seems like a move Seattle would make. There top prospect last year is a catcher (although ................ty defensively) and they still have 20+ million in Johjima.
That's how you rebuild a franchise.
DaSh 1s
01-18-09, 04:37 PM
Seems like a move Seattle would make. There top prospect last year is a catcher (although ................ty defensively) and they still have 20+ million in Johjima.
That's how you rebuild a franchise.
Johjima :lol:
eaganmafia
01-18-09, 04:48 PM
Johjima :lol:
Am I missing something...
DaSh 1s
01-18-09, 05:21 PM
Am I missing something...
Yup..
JeffWeaverFan
01-18-09, 05:30 PM
I think that he'll sign with the Sox for something like $5M. They'll give him more than he would get so he won't be too pissed. How he didn't accept arbitration is beyond me.
Breyean
01-18-09, 05:42 PM
I think that he'll sign with the Sox for something like $5M. They'll give him more than he would get so he won't be too pissed. How he didn't accept arbitration is beyond me.
I got a laugh out of this from mlbtraderumors.com last night:
11:37pm: More on Varitek from NESN's Heidi Watney (http://www.nesn.com/content/videocenter/default.aspx?videoid=4273@nesn.dayport.com&navCatId=18/default.aspx). She says Varitek's meeting with Henry was to "clear the air" rather than negotiate. The Red Sox had not been returning Scott Boras' phone calls, but now they'll reopen negotiations. Watney notes that Varitek was not aware when he turned down arbitration that any signing team would have to give up a draft pick. Tek does not blame Boras for this.
I mean, it's only his future job prospects involved here. Even if he didn't know the rules, which is sort of hard to believe, you'd think his agent would tell him what's what. Why else pay the guy?
eaganmafia
01-18-09, 05:53 PM
Yup..
mind filling me in...
nnysiny
01-18-09, 06:03 PM
I got a laugh out of this from mlbtraderumors.com last night:
I mean, it's only his future job prospects involved here. Even if he didn't know the rules, which is sort of hard to believe, you'd think his agent would tell him what's what. Why else pay the guy?
Boras wants to manipulate his clients as much as possible. the less they know, the better for him
It's impossible to believe. It was in dozens of articles from the time it become public he was a type A to the time the Sox offered him arb right up to the deadline.
NYYDragoon
01-18-09, 06:48 PM
I mean, it's only his future job prospects involved here. Even if he didn't know the rules, which is sort of hard to believe, you'd think his agent would tell him what's what. Why else pay the guy?It's like Donovan McNabb not knowing you could tie in an NFL game.
BeantownYankee
01-18-09, 07:17 PM
There are a few scenarios outlined in this article. Most likely - wait until the amateur draft in June, after which there's no compensation involved, or do an nba-style sign and trade, where the Sox find someone who wants him and is willing to give something, though obviously less than a draft pick, and then sign him themselves to trade to that other team. Certainly a tough situation Tek put himself in.
http://blogs.weei.com/alexspeier/2009/01/13/mlb-red-sox-being-jason-varitek-or-his-successor/
Love the way Pedroia & the Youk give big discounts, and then someone like Varitek whom they are just about done with, they throw a chain around his neck by offering him Arbitration, I don't think they were wrong as it seems they want him back cheap, but they basically have prevented him from cashing in one last time...
ShaneTravis
01-18-09, 07:26 PM
If Varitek did not know that a team would surrender a draft pick (to sign) if he refused arb....
Well, he is not very accountable for his career. I mean there are baseball fans with computer under the age of 13 that knew that.
I think Boras fed him a line that he would get a 2/3 year at 10 million per. That's why he refused Arb.
I hope he goes to Seattle for 900,000
Yankeeah
01-18-09, 07:28 PM
Love the way Pedroia & the Youk give big discounts, and then someone like Varitek whom they are just about done with, they throw a chain around his neck by offering him Arbitration, I don't think they were wrong as it seems they want him back cheap, but they basically have prevented him from cashing in one last time...
What?
If Varitek accepted arbitration he would make the most money in his career after having the worst season of his career. Not accepting it was really, really, really stupid.
No way Varitek would have made $9 million on the open market, with or without the loss of draft pick because of signing him.
Love the way Pedroia & the Youk give big discounts, and then someone like Varitek whom they are just about done with, they throw a chain around his neck by offering him Arbitration, I don't think they were wrong as it seems they want him back cheap, but they basically have prevented him from cashing in one last time...
Except that the arbitration award itself, if he'd just have accepted it, would likely have been more than generous.
DaSh 1s
01-18-09, 08:24 PM
It's like Donovan McNabb not knowing you could tie in an NFL game.
lmaoo
DaSh 1s
01-18-09, 08:26 PM
mind filling me in...
I am sorry, if I have to fill you in why Johjima is laughabled at 20 mill dued... I don't know how to respond?
Lets trade JoPo fo Johjima?
Yankeeah
01-18-09, 08:45 PM
I am sorry, if I have to fill you in why Johjima is laughabled at 20 mill dued... I don't know how to respond?
I think that sentence might be more funny than Kenji's deal
Boras didn't help by turning down arbitration. How can Boras not see that teams weren't going to give Varitek any offers after the season he had/the compensation owed?
And Boras is still waiting for "serious offers" for Manny. Boras will get his money but this hasn't been his best offseason.
Jersey Yankee
01-18-09, 10:40 PM
Boras didn't help by turning down arbitration. How can Boras not see that teams weren't going to give Varitek any offers after the season he had/the compensation owed?
And Boras is still waiting for "serious offers" for Manny. Boras will get his money but this hasn't been his best offseason.
After he wanted a $100 mil contract for Matsuzaka but didn't get that, then somehow managed to get a $275 mil deal for A-Rod, he must've thought that the market only goes up, not down, and never levels off.
Varitek's earning power has shrunk. Someone needs to clue in Boras.
Love the way Pedroia & the Youk give big discounts, and then someone like Varitek whom they are just about done with, they throw a chain around his neck by offering him Arbitration, I don't think they were wrong as it seems they want him back cheap, but they basically have prevented him from cashing in one last time...
They gave a 37 year old catcher coming off an OPS+ of 73 the chance to make 10 million dollars, but he turned it down. Were the Sox to waive draft pick compensation for Varitek, he still wouldn't get more than what he could have made in arbitration.
The Sox gave him his only chance to cash in
mBiferi
01-18-09, 11:53 PM
Love the way Pedroia & the Youk give big discounts, and then someone like Varitek whom they are just about done with, they throw a chain around his neck by offering him Arbitration, I don't think they were wrong as it seems they want him back cheap, but they basically have prevented him from cashing in one last time...
Do you really believe that some team would have made him an offer of more than 10m if the the Red Sox hadn't offered him arbitration? Really?
GordonGecko
01-18-09, 11:55 PM
What?
If Varitek accepted arbitration he would make the most money in his career after having the worst season of his career. Not accepting it was really, really, really stupid.
No way Varitek would have made $9 million on the open market, with or without the loss of draft pick because of signing him.
Then he deserves what he gets. What a tool
Jersey Yankee
01-19-09, 12:11 AM
They gave a 37 year old catcher coming off an OPS+ of 73 the chance to make 10 million dollars, but he turned it down. Were the Sox to waive draft pick compensation for Varitek, he still wouldn't get more than what he could have made in arbitration.
The Sox gave him his only chance to cash in
I could be wrong, but isn't there something in the arb process that you must offer your own players no less than 80% of what they'd last made? I don't know if that's the final year salary or average salary for the contract, or whether it's regulated by a signing before the arbitration results are made.
I'm still wondering why they even offered him arb, since they could've had him for far less, likely the $5-7 mil range.
JL25and3
01-19-09, 12:15 AM
I could be wrong, but isn't there something in the arb process that you must offer your own players no less than 80% of what they'd last made? I don't know if that's the final year salary or average salary for the contract, or whether it's regulated by a signing before the arbitration results are made.Not for free agents who accept arbitration.
GordonGecko
01-19-09, 12:23 AM
Here's the most recent article on the Varitek developments, he just met with JW Henry:
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2009/01/17/varitek_meets_with_henry/?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed7
NYDCYankee
01-19-09, 06:40 AM
Varitek never should have been a Type A FA to begin with.
I am sorry, if I have to fill you in why Johjima is laughabled at 20 mill dued... I don't know how to respond?
Lets trade JoPo fo Johjima?
You are slow. Anyone with half a brain would have known he was being sarcastic.
Varitek never should have been a Type A FA to begin with.
It's kind of a perfect storm. A player like him wouldn't have been a Type A at any other position or at a time when catching talent wasn't scarce, a team that had any depth at his position or didn't have a lot of spare cash never would have offered him arbitration, and maybe if he'd had a different agent, he'd have been advised to accept it.
Casey at the Bat
01-19-09, 09:16 AM
After entering the offseason suggesting Varitek would be seeking a deal similar to that of Yankees catcher Jorge Posada following the 2007 season - four years, $52 million - Boras rejected the Sox' offer for salary arbitration.
[In his best Boras impersonation] "Oops!"
Sounds like Boras botched this for his client. If I were Varitek I would lay the smackdown on him.
But who is going to call the no-hitters now?
GordonGecko
01-19-09, 09:30 AM
Sounds like Boras botched this for his client. If I were Varitek I would lay the smackdown on him.
Boras doesn't care, he's Satan :eek:
TommyK8
01-19-09, 09:52 AM
Sounds like Boras botched this for his client. If I were Varitek I would lay the smackdown on him.Boras hasn't been able to find a team for Ivan Rodriguez either. We don't hear too much about him, but I wonder how much he's asking for him? A team would not have to surrender a pick to sign IRod.
justtxyank
01-19-09, 10:09 AM
Considering that Jason Varitek is the greatest game caller in baseball history and is solely responsible for the good pitching that happens in Boston, is the Captain, and should have won an MVP by now (Thanks Ravech!) I don't see how the Sox could be so bold to let him go.
justtxyank
01-19-09, 10:11 AM
Boras hasn't been able to find a team for Ivan Rodriguez either. We don't hear too much about him, but I wonder how much he's asking for him? A team would not have to surrender a pick to sign IRod.
That's not a failure though. I-Rod isn't a very good player anymore. On top of his offense falling off a cliff, he's got a bad defensive reputation. I'm not sure many teams feel he is an upgrade at this point over anything.
Casey at the Bat
01-19-09, 10:34 AM
Considering that Jason Varitek is the greatest game caller in baseball history and is solely responsible for the good pitching that happens in Boston, is the Captain, and should have won an MVP by now (Thanks Ravech!) I don't see how the Sox could be so bold to let him go.
I have no idea how the sox can walk away from an all-star catcher like Tek either.
JL25and3
01-19-09, 10:43 AM
That's not a failure though. I-Rod isn't a very good player anymore. On top of his offense falling off a cliff, he's got a bad defensive reputation. I'm not sure many teams feel he is an upgrade at this point over anything.Also, there's the amount of mileage on Pudge's body. There's some chance that Varitek could bounce back at least a little bit, that he's still got something left. After catching 2173 games, Rodriguez isn't bouncing back.
From this point forward, any player receiving bad advice from an agent shall be known to have been "Varitek-ed". I was surprised the Sox offered arb, and SHOCKED that he did not accept. What a collosal dunce move.
GordonGecko
01-19-09, 11:03 AM
Considering that Jason Varitek is the greatest game caller in baseball history and is solely responsible for the good pitching that happens in Boston, is the Captain, and should have won an MVP by now (Thanks Ravech!) I don't see how the Sox could be so bold to let him go.
That's why Theo Epstein is a genius, he's not afraid to cut players loose when his projections for future output don't meet his standards
justtxyank
01-19-09, 11:13 AM
That's why Theo Epstein is a genius, he's not afraid to cut players loose when his projections for future output don't meet his standards
Theo is a dunce for letting go of the guy who is solely responsible for the greatness of the Boston Red Sox. Without Varitek, no Red Sox pitcher will pitch to an era below 5 next year. Don't believe me? Ask Rick Sutcliffe. Jason Varitek is a vital element of that pitching staff. His pitchers need him! He spends countless hours preparing for every batter in the American League. Without that knowledge, his pitchers would be as stumped as the rest of baseball as to what pitches to throw!
None of that even begins to account for his significant contribution to the team's Chemistry. He has helped turn that clubhouse into a beacon of Chemistry and that Chemistry has helped the Red Sox win two World Series.
Even Peter Gammons thinks Theo would be an idiot to let Captain Chemistry go. Unless he does in which case Varitek's importance has been overstated.
GordonGecko
01-19-09, 11:16 AM
Theo is a dunce for letting go of the guy who is solely responsible for the greatness of the Boston Red Sox. Without Varitek, no Red Sox pitcher will pitch to an era below 5 next year. Don't believe me? Ask Rick Sutcliffe. Jason Varitek is a vital element of that pitching staff. His pitchers need him! He spends countless hours preparing for every batter in the American League. Without that knowledge, his pitchers would be as stumped as the rest of baseball as to what pitches to throw!
None of that even begins to account for his significant contribution to the team's Chemistry. He has helped turn that clubhouse into a beacon of Chemistry and that Chemistry has helped the Red Sox win two World Series.
Even Peter Gammons thinks Theo would be an idiot to let Captain Chemistry go. Unless he does in which case Varitek's importance has been overstated.
See that's why Epstein is smarter than everyone, it's not about what a player has done in the past, it's about what he'll do in the future.
Breyean
01-19-09, 11:21 AM
Theo is a dunce for letting go of the guy who is solely responsible for the greatness of the Boston Red Sox. Without Varitek, no Red Sox pitcher will pitch to an era below 5 next year. Don't believe me? Ask Rick Sutcliffe. Jason Varitek is a vital element of that pitching staff. His pitchers need him! He spends countless hours preparing for every batter in the American League. Without that knowledge, his pitchers would be as stumped as the rest of baseball as to what pitches to throw!
Quite true. Without him every pitch not hit would roll to the backstop (unless they hit the ump).
justtxyank
01-19-09, 11:23 AM
Quite true. Without him every pitch not hit would roll to the backstop (unless they hit the ump).
At least you played along!
GordonGecko
01-19-09, 11:44 AM
Quite true. Without him every pitch not hit would roll to the backstop (unless they hit the ump).
:lol:
JL25and3
01-19-09, 12:13 PM
Quite true. Without him every pitch not hit would roll to the backstop (unless they hit the ump).Gotta give credit to Casey Stengel for that one.
I have no idea how the sox can walk away from an all-star catcher like Tek either.
:lol: Neither do I.
Breyean
01-19-09, 01:00 PM
Gotta give credit to Casey Stengel for that one.
I couldn't remember who said it - I figured it was maybe Yogi, but thanks for the info.
aeromac76
01-19-09, 01:03 PM
ESPN has already prepapred both storylines:
If he reups with the Sox
"Both parties came to their senses, the Sox realized they need an Tex, who will surely regain his all star form with a fresh new start in Boston. He did have a down year, but his importance to a staff that ranks among the best in baseball cannot be overstated and his leadership kept a potentially combustible clubhouse situation calm and cool. He is am important part of the Sox and they are a far stronger team for having him back in the fold".
If he leaves
"The Sox have cut ties with their long time catcher. It is a smart move. He is fast declining and cannot help this team offensively. Their talented rotation should thrive with any reasonable backstop behind the dish and his leadership abilities have been overstated. The Sox have plenty of good character players to take care of any clubhouse policing, and without Manny there, those should be few and far between.
Varitek was no longer an important part of the Sox and they are a far stronger team for having moved on without him".
Nashwan
01-19-09, 01:10 PM
Theo is a dunce for letting go of the guy who is solely responsible for the greatness of the Boston Red Sox. Without Varitek, no Red Sox pitcher will pitch to an era below 5 next year. Don't believe me? Ask Rick Sutcliffe. Jason Varitek is a vital element of that pitching staff. His pitchers need him! He spends countless hours preparing for every batter in the American League. Without that knowledge, his pitchers would be as stumped as the rest of baseball as to what pitches to throw!
None of that even begins to account for his significant contribution to the team's Chemistry. He has helped turn that clubhouse into a beacon of Chemistry and that Chemistry has helped the Red Sox win two World Series.
Even Peter Gammons thinks Theo would be an idiot to let Captain Chemistry go. Unless he does in which case Varitek's importance has been overstated.
Excellent! Thanks for a great laugh! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
TheoShmeo
01-19-09, 01:13 PM
Why wouldn't the Yankees sign him as a hedge for Posada being hurt?
If they did that and signed Manny to boot, Yankees fans who have been killing Manny for "playing the game wrong" and mocking the urban legend surrounding Tek's skills behind the plate/preparation would have a high class problem on their hands.
aeromac76
01-19-09, 01:23 PM
Why wouldn't the Yankees sign him as a hedge for Posada being hurt?
If they did that and signed Manny to boot, Yankees fans who have been killing Manny for "playing the game wrong" and mocking the urban legend surrounding Tek's skills behind the plate/preparation would have a high class problem on their hands.
He'd cost too much and I doubt he would be happy as a backup if Posada is healthy enough to catch. Not to mention Tex seems to me to be like a Pettitte type guy. He'd leave the Sox, but never to go to the Yankees. I think he values his Sox legacy too much to show up in a Yankee uniform.
And at this point, to be honest, his performance does not significantly outpace that of a typical backup catcher, who does not much and is simply a catch and throw guy.
RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees
01-19-09, 04:15 PM
Personally, I want to see Varitek go back to the Sox.
THEBOSS84
01-19-09, 04:30 PM
I'm wondering if the Sox FO would be happy or mad to see Varitek sign with the Yankees. On the one hand they'll receive draft pick compensation, which was no guarantee up to this point. On the other hand, Varitek knows the Sox pitchers pretty damn well, as well as other organizational information that is under wraps.
Casey at the Bat
01-19-09, 04:30 PM
Personally, I want to see Varitek go back to the Sox.
See if you're still laughing when Alex Cora pitches a no-hitter to 'Tek.
JL25and3
01-19-09, 04:36 PM
I couldn't remember who said it - I figured it was maybe Yogi, but thanks for the info.The Mets' first pick in the 1961 expansion draft was a catcher by the name of Hobie Landrith. When Stengel was asked why they chose him first, he said, "You gotta have a catcher or you're gonna have a lot of passed balls."
Carbon Fiber
01-19-09, 04:38 PM
I'm wondering if the Sox FO would be happy or mad to see Varitek sign with the Yankees. On the one hand they'll receive draft pick compensation, which was no guarantee up to this point. On the other hand, Varitek knows the Sox pitchers pretty damn well, as well as other organizational information that is under wraps.
How much do you think it would matter since baseball doesn't have much of a secret gameplan or anything? I doubt Tek knows much valuable about the organization up top (if he doesn't know what declining arbitration would do to him, how much would you trust him for any info?)...
THEBOSS84
01-19-09, 04:39 PM
How much do you think it would matter since baseball doesn't have much of a secret gameplan or anything? I doubt Tek knows much valuable about the organization up top (if he doesn't know what declining arbitration would do to him, how much would you trust him for any info?)...
I guess by organizational info, I also meant some inside scouting reports on all the pitchers that he made into aces.
President Kennedy
01-19-09, 04:43 PM
I'm wondering if the Sox FO would be happy or mad to see Varitek sign with the Yankees. On the one hand they'll receive draft pick compensation, which was no guarantee up to this point. On the other hand, Varitek knows the Sox pitchers pretty damn well, as well as other organizational information that is under wraps.
Yes, maybe he can spill the secret behind all of Dice-K's BB's. Or perhaps he can describe in detail what one of Beckett's blisters looks like up close.
Carbon Fiber
01-19-09, 04:45 PM
I guess by organizational info, I also meant some inside scouting reports on all the pitchers that he made into aces.
And there are many that he's going to make into aces just by looking at them - he's that amazing.
He could also teach your guys about mask etiquette.
Carbon Fiber
01-19-09, 04:47 PM
Yes, maybe he can spill the secret behind all of Dice-K's BB's. Or perhaps he can describe in detail what one of Beckett's blisters looks like up close.
Those aren't blisters, they're avulsions. And the Captain fixed them by sucking on his fingers between innings.
DJeter13
01-20-09, 09:10 AM
I would be shocked if anyone even signed Tek for $500,000 for 1 season. Simply put, he is not worth the 1st round pick the signing team would have to give up due to the fact that he is a type A free agent. His only hope of playing ball this year is if the sox re-sign him (in which case he could make $5 million for 1 year or $10 million over 2 seasons).
GordonGecko
01-20-09, 09:29 AM
I would be shocked if anyone even signed Tek for $500,000 for 1 season. Simply put, he is not worth the 1st round pick the signing team would have to give up due to the fact that he is a type A free agent. His only hope of playing ball this year is if the sox re-sign him (in which case he could make $5 million for 1 year or $10 million over 2 seasons).
If the Yankees signed him (not saying they would or should) then after this free agent spree Boston's first round pick could actually be a 5th round pick :P
If the Yankees signed him (not saying they would or should) then after this free agent spree Boston's first round pick could actually be a 5th round pick :P
The Yankees would still be doing them a favor, because they'd get the sandwich pick between the 1st and 2nd round, too. Which is better than what they'll get if no one signs him.
eaganmafia
01-20-09, 01:20 PM
I would be shocked if anyone even signed Tek for $500,000 for 1 season. Simply put, he is not worth the 1st round pick the signing team would have to give up due to the fact that he is a type A free agent. His only hope of playing ball this year is if the sox re-sign him (in which case he could make $5 million for 1 year or $10 million over 2 seasons).
I wouldn't touch Varitek if I was GM, But if you really believe Tek can help a young pitching staff and all his intangles bull................ who cares about the 1st round pick. You can get 1st round talent all over the draft if your willing to go overslot.
ChinMusic
01-20-09, 03:15 PM
See that's why Epstein is smarter than everyone, it's not about what a player has done in the past, it's about what he'll do in the future.
And by he'll, you are of course referring to Epstein. Since Epstein is the standard for smartness, smartness can be quantified by comparing any GM's action to what Epstein would have done.
ChinMusic
01-20-09, 03:19 PM
Also, there's the amount of mileage on Pudge's body. There's some chance that Varitek could bounce back at least a little bit, that he's still got something left. After catching 2173 games, Rodriguez isn't bouncing back.
The other thing Varitek has in his favor is that Bumbles supposedly bounce.
teknetic
01-20-09, 03:24 PM
Those aren't blisters, they're avulsions. And the Captain fixed them by sucking on his fingers between innings.
:lol:
ChinMusic
01-20-09, 03:31 PM
Here's the most recent article on the Varitek developments, he just met with JW Henry:
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2009/01/17/varitek_meets_with_henry/?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed7
http://www.entertonement.com/clips/48214/Humble-bumble
Personally, I want to see Varitek go back to the Sox.
I agree. The rivalry just wouldn't be the same. He's sort of a necessary evil, like the New York Islanders.
Yankeeah
01-20-09, 05:57 PM
I agree. The rivalry just wouldn't be the same. He's sort of a necessary evil, like the New York Islanders.
I think he wants Varitek in Boston because he sucks.
I know lots of Yankee fans would find this hard to believe, but there are actually catchers who hit even worse than Varitek.
I know lots of Yankee fans would find this hard to believe, but there are actually catchers who hit even worse than Varitek.
True, but not many play in the bigs:D
Jersey Yankee
01-20-09, 06:43 PM
I know lots of Yankee fans would find this hard to believe, but there are actually catchers who hit even worse than Varitek.
Yeah, I know of a few.
http://images.inmagine.com/img/brandxpictures/x255/bxp67983.jpg http://pro.corbis.com/images/CB041661.jpg?size=572&uid=%7B0E9AC738-3F52-4D18-A6BB-707D38482582%7D
sweet_lou_14
01-20-09, 06:46 PM
Varitek turning down arbitration was unbelievably stupid.
And as a Yankee fan I'm kind of pissed too. Boston should have ended up paying $10M for his feeble production. But I guess Theo's a genius.
Bronson'sCornrows
01-20-09, 07:12 PM
Wait a minute... does everyone see what Brad did there? I see it! They're GIRLS!
...They probably have cooties!
Yankeeah
01-20-09, 07:12 PM
I know lots of Yankee fans would find this hard to believe, but there are actually catchers who hit even worse than Varitek.
Among all qualified catchers last year:
2nd most strike outs (with the 12th most at-bats)
2nd worst average (ahead of Brandon Inge)
Tied for 3rd worst OPS with Inge
Tied for 2nd worst in runs
2nd worst SLG%
All of that with about half his AB's in an offensive park. To his credit though, he did get a fair amount of walks.
4bronxbombers
01-20-09, 07:21 PM
Yeah, I know of a few.
http://images.inmagine.com/img/brandxpictures/x255/bxp67983.jpg http://pro.corbis.com/images/CB041661.jpg?size=572&uid=%7B0E9AC738-3F52-4D18-A6BB-707D38482582%7D
Hmmm......girls? How about boys? :confused: :-ponder-:
4bronxbombers
01-20-09, 07:22 PM
Those aren't blisters, they're avulsions. And the Captain fixed them by sucking on his fingers between innings.
That's gross. :barf:
Jersey Yankee
01-20-09, 07:27 PM
Hmmm......girls? How about boys? :confused: :-ponder-:
Yeah, I'd forgotten you're not into the "Hits like a girl" thing. Even though he does. :P
http://www.avonlake.org/data/Images_Additional/boy%20baseball%20player.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/245/455728625_764b817093.jpg?v=0
Among all qualified catchers last year:
2nd most strike outs (with the 12th most at-bats)
2nd worst average (ahead of Brandon Inge)
Tied for 3rd worst OPS with Inge
Tied for 2nd worst in runs
2nd worst SLG%
All of that with about half his AB's in an offensive park. To his credit though, he did get a fair amount of walks.
Well, I never said there were a lot of them, just that there were some. Few of them would get enough PAs to qualify.
theDurk
01-20-09, 07:56 PM
Well,if they hurry and make up their minds, they could borrow the Capitol stage and the White House parade stand for the inauguration of the new Red Sox captain in the case they don't bring Tek back. But who would be worthy of the big red "C"? And I am not sure DC could handle the monster crowd that would spread all the way to Teddy Roosevelt Island...
Yankeeah
01-20-09, 08:29 PM
Well, I never said there were a lot of them, just that there were some. Few of them would get enough PAs to qualify.
19 catchers qualified.
It's hard to pin which catcher hits the worst. It would have to be between Inge, Johjima and Varitek. Inge, I guess, gets a pass as he hadn't played catcher since 2004.
Johjima hit for less power, but stuck out 90 times less. He also walked less. It's a coin toss between those two.
GordonGecko
01-21-09, 09:18 AM
I know lots of Yankee fans would find this hard to believe, but there are actually catchers who hit even worse than Varitek.
Catcher isn't exactly a power position. We're lucky we have Posada (when healthy)
YankeePride1967
01-21-09, 09:22 AM
I find it incredulous that Varitek says he didn't know a team would have to give up a draft pick to sign him. Either he's lying or not too bright.
TheInfallibleOne
01-21-09, 10:50 AM
At this point Varitek has significant value to only one club in baseball, and that's Boston. He knows the staff and how to work with pitchers in that park, and he's probably too old and been in Boston too long to start over anywhere else.
On the other side of the coin, the Sox' failure to groom a successor due to their dependence on backup catcher Doug Mirabelli (except for 2008) has left them in a tight spot, and any new catcher they bring in will have a significant negative impact on their pitching staff.
Importing a quality catcher or even a quality prospect will not bode well for the pitching staff and will only have a marginal improvement in the lineup.
Long story short, the Sox are cooked without Tek next year. If Boras is smart, he will milk that for all its worth rather than using the same old trick: using multiple and even ficticious teams as leverage.
SubwayFanatic
01-21-09, 11:13 AM
Long story short, the Sox are cooked without Tek next year.
So, the Red Sox are cooked if they don't bring back a catcher who was one of the worst offensively in the majors?
Even if you do buy that "he handles the staff well," how much impact does that really have in the grand scheme of things?
mentalgidget
01-21-09, 11:22 AM
If Boras is smart, he will milk that for all its worth rather than using the same old trick: using multiple and even ficticious teams as leverage.
I agree with you up until that point. At this point, there seems to be absolutely no market for Varitek so Boras' ability to "milk" the Red Sox is rather limited. The argument that another catcher wont be as apt in handling the staff is one that, apparently, the Sox dont place a ton of value on as they were prepared to move on once Varitek declined arb. Now, whether or not hey are correct in "underestimating" the staff handling aspect remains to be seen, obviously.
yanksphan
01-21-09, 11:32 AM
I find it incredulous that Varitek says he didn't know a team would have to give up a draft pick to sign him. Either he's lying or not too bright.
Let's be fair here - not everyone can devote their time to learning the ins and outs of contract negotiation. Jason has kids to drop off at school in the morning, remember?
Snatch Catch
01-21-09, 11:35 AM
Let's be fair here - not everyone can devote their time to learning the ins and outs of contract negotiation. Jason has kids to drop off at school in the morning, remember?
(That was Trot, I believe)
yanksphan
01-21-09, 11:44 AM
ah right. Damn.
Let's be fair here - not everyone can devote their time to learning the ins and outs of contract negotiation. Jason has kids to drop off at school in the morning, remember?
Isn't the ex Mrs Tek doing that now anyway?
The Q Bomb
01-21-09, 07:03 PM
If the Yankees signed him (not saying they would or should) then after this free agent spree Boston's first round pick could actually be a 5th round pick :P "If The Yankees signed him..." I would throw up! UGH!
GordonGecko
01-22-09, 10:44 AM
"If The Yankees signed him..." I would throw up! UGH!
They wouldn't (unless it were for a quick turnaround trade), he doesn't fit
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