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Rocketbooster
01-02-09, 08:51 PM
I'm purchasing the DVD tomorrow - it's a ton of $$$, but I really want it on DVD (that's why I'm not going to tape it off of the MLB network - I'd have to use too many tapes), plus the extras look good.
Does Ken Burns do the subject justice? I loved Burns' Civil War (and one of these days, I will buy his doc on WWII).....and I am beyond fascinated with baseball history. Did you love it? Think it was so-so?
I would really love to hear your thoughts on this.......thanks!
yankeebot
01-02-09, 09:06 PM
It is awesome. Simply fabulous.
GordonGecko
01-02-09, 09:08 PM
I'm purchasing the DVD tomorrow - it's a ton of $$$, but I really want it on DVD (that's why I'm not going to tape it off of the MLB network - I'd have to use too many tapes), plus the extras look good.
Does Ken Burns do the subject justice? I loved Burns' Civil War (and one of these days, I will buy his doc on WWII).....and I am beyond fascinated with baseball history. Did you love it? Think it was so-so?
I would really love to hear your thoughts on this.......thanks!
Make sure you buy it online, you'll get ripped off if you buy it in store. You'll also save on tax
SoCal Pinstriper
01-02-09, 09:28 PM
I post this, not to suggest that we do not need another thread (I hope that, as the series airs in MLB, it will generate discussion).
Rather, I had it in my mind that we had a much longer thread on this topic, and almost everyone was very positive.
Alas, this thread was all I could find.
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=78860&highlight=ken+burns
For the record, I agree with Yankeebot
Retire21
01-02-09, 10:10 PM
Oh my gosh, Rocketbooster, it is so worth it. It is the best documentary ever made on baseball. You know those Yankeeography & HBO Yankee docs we like so much- BASEBALL destroys those. Not even close. Ken Burns is a master storyteller- whether it is about the birth of radio, Mark Twain, Jazz, the Civil War, or WWII, the man is a gem.
Ken Burns' BASEBALL should be on every fans' shelf. I couldn't recommend it any more.
Rocketbooster
01-02-09, 10:12 PM
Make sure you buy it online, you'll get ripped off if you buy it in store. You'll also save on tax
I saw it on Amazon for over $160.00 - it's not that much more expensive in the store. Still, my jaw dropped at the price - I didn't think it would be that much. Oh well - I have no problem spending $$$ on something like this. I don't know why I haven't seen it yet....
Yankeebot, thanks ! I'm glad to hear you thought it was terrific. ..I'm psyched now!
Rocketbooster
01-02-09, 10:13 PM
I post this, not to suggest that we do not need another thread (I hope that, as the series airs in MLB, it will generate discussion).
Rather, I had it in my mind that we had a much longer thread on this topic, and almost everyone was very positive.
Alas, this thread was all I could find.
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=78860&highlight=ken+burns
For the record, I agree with Yankeebot
Hans, thanks for the link!!!
Yet another great review - I have no clue why I didn't just buy this when I went to the HOF in September (by the way, I place I could spend the rest of my life in - one of my favorite places in the world)
MunsonNY15
01-02-09, 10:14 PM
Absolutely fabulous! If you enjoy baseball history it is a must have.
I taped it when it originally ran on PBS but bought the DVDs a couple of years ago. I watch it at least twice a year (mostly to get me through the off season). My favorite inning (it's broken down by innings instead of chapters) is "The Capital of Baseball", which is about baseball in NY from the late 40s to the early 60s.
As GordonGecko said, buy them on line. I got mine from deepdiscount.com (around $100), but I've seen them pretty cheap on eBay too.
Heidi
Rocketbooster
01-02-09, 10:18 PM
Oh my gosh, Rocketbooster, it is so worth it. It is the best documentary ever made on baseball. You know those Yankeeography & HBO Yankee docs we like so much- BASEBALL destroys those. Not even close. Ken Burns is a master storyteller- whether it is about the birth of radio, Mark Twain, Jazz, the Civil War, or WWII, the man is a gem.
Ken Burns' BASEBALL should be on every fans' shelf. I couldn't recommend it any more.
Oh wow............
I just adore baseball history, especially the origins of the game through the 1920's/1930's......It took me nearly 3 hours to get through this part of the timeline at the HOF (by the way, one of my favorite places in the world - I could spend weeks in there). I think watching Baseball is going to be like having the HOF in my own home.
I will try to give brief reviews as I watch each episode......of course, I'll try to watch them in conjunction with MLB network's airing of same, so maybe we can all discuss it.
MunsonNY15
01-02-09, 10:24 PM
It is just full of baseball stories, both first person by players and coaches and through interviews with historians, writers, and fans.
Two of my favorites:
I like Mickey talking about hitting a home run. He said people come up and ask him, "Did you ever go up trying to hit a home run? And I say, 'Every time.' I wanted to hit the ball as far as I could every time I swung. It used to drive Casey crazy.'"
I also like the story George Will tells about Rogers Hornsby's batting eye. He was facing a young pitcher who threw in two close ones, neither of which Hornsby offered at. After the third close one, the pitcher looked at the ump and said, "Now that one was a strike." The ump walked toward the young pitcher and said, "Young man. Mr. Hornsby will let you know when you've thrown a strike."
The whole series is chock full of little gems like those.
Heidi
Retire21
01-02-09, 10:51 PM
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Rocketbooster
01-02-09, 11:03 PM
It is just full of baseball stories, both first person by players and coaches and through interviews with historians, writers, and fans.
Two of my favorites:
I like Mickey talking about hitting a home run. He said people come up and ask him, "Did you ever go up trying to hit a home run? And I say, 'Every time.' I wanted to hit the ball as far as I could every time I swung. It used to drive Casey crazy.'"
I also like the story George Will tells about Rogers Hornsby's batting eye. He was facing a young pitcher who threw in two close ones, neither of which Hornsby offered at. After the third close one, the pitcher looked at the ump and said, "Now that one was a strike." The ump walked toward the young pitcher and said, "Young man. Mr. Hornsby will let you know when you've thrown a strike."
The whole series is chock full of little gems like those.
Heidi
Those are great, especially the Hornsby one. I'm particularly interested in Christy Mathewson - and I don't know why. I hope there's some stuff on him........
This will be a nice lil gift to myself!
Rocketbooster
01-02-09, 11:04 PM
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Thanks!
MunsonNY15
01-02-09, 11:11 PM
I'm particularly interested in Christy Mathewson - and I don't know why. I hope there's some stuff on him........
Yep, he's in there (2nd inning, I believe. "Something Like a War".) They also cover his war service and untimely death.
Heidi
Retire21
01-02-09, 11:31 PM
Yep, he's in there (2nd inning, I believe. "Something Like a War".) They also cover his war service and untimely death.
Heidi
Yes, Burns covers him with pretty good detail. Mathewson died in the 20s. He was exposed to a mustard gas attack during World War I and his final years were unpleasant.
The only gripe I had with Burn's Baseball was it concludes with the early 90's.
The only gripe I had with Burn's Baseball was it concludes with the early 90's.
That would be because Burns didn't own a crystal ball back when he did the series. That's like saying I'm annoyed that my 1990 edition of the encyclopedia doesn't account for events in 1992.
Retire21
01-03-09, 12:28 AM
The only gripe I had with Burn's Baseball was it concludes with the early 90's.
BASEBALL premiered in late September 1994, so assuming it was shot during 1992-3, it would have been hard to include much from the 1990s.
Ironically, with MLB on strike August 12, 1994, Ken Burns' BASEBALL more or less replaced the World Series as baseball fans' entertainment that Fall. It was sad that here we were celebrating our grand national game via Ken Burns' film when its professional league walked out on its audience.
johnnyyankee
01-03-09, 12:44 AM
While you're at it, you may want to consider "When it Was a Game". I enjoyed it very much. Burns' Baseball is great. So is this one.
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/movies/moviem09.shtml
While you're at it, you may want to consider "When it Was a Game". I enjoyed it very much. Burns' Baseball is great. So is this one.
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/movies/moviem09.shtml
When It Was A Game was done for HBO. The first two were awesome, WIWAG 3, not as much...
Ken Burns' Baseball was a PBS production. They sell it at:
http://www.shoppbs.org/family/index.jsp?categoryId=3375974&ab=subkbsale
For $110.
penguin4
01-03-09, 08:06 AM
I very much enjoyed it, but just be wary, it does sometimes border on fawning towards "our national pastime", sort of putting it on this pedestal like this untouchable mythical institution. I own the boxed set (got it several years ago, so it takes up a lot of space -- I'd imagine they've since come out with slimmer sets), and it's worth it.
And yes, the timing is kind of ironic, how it was supposed to coincide with the World Series, but instead ended up sort of replacing it -- it was everyone's baseball fix that October. And their timing in producing it turned out to be pretty good -- they managed to catch a lot of people right before they passed on -- including the Babe's sister!
That would be because Burns didn't own a crystal ball back when he did the series. That's like saying I'm annoyed that my 1990 edition of the encyclopedia doesn't account for events in 1992.
I know... My point was that the documentary was great and I wanted it to continue.
MunsonNY15
01-03-09, 09:32 AM
That would be because Burns didn't own a crystal ball back when he did the series. That's like saying I'm annoyed that my 1990 edition of the encyclopedia doesn't account for events in 1992.
:lol:
Though I would like to see him do an updated installment for PBS. Think of all the material in the last 13 years he has to cover.
Heidi
jimmyclark
01-03-09, 10:13 AM
I haven't watched it since it was first broadcast on PBS almost 15 years ago. It was pretty good but not overwhelming. Too much (for me) of interviews with Burn's celebrity buddies: Doris Kearns Goodwin, George Will, Billy Crystal (who does have a great story about telling Ted Williams about the first game he saw 20 years earlier-"Bobby Shantz struck you out with the bases loaded"-"Curveball low and away"). I think Keith Olbermann once compiled a long list of Burns's errors in facts and mis identifications. It could have used more player interviews to provide insights such as Bill Rigney saying early on Giant teammate noticed Willie Mays would slap his glove when he knew he was gonna catch it, then showed the Vic Wertz 1954 catch so you could see it.
But there is lots of good stuff and I don't ever see anyone doing a better 10 hour documentary. And you just feel so good seeing Buck O'Neill.
BillBuckner
01-03-09, 10:23 AM
I got it for Christmas last year. It's fantastic, worth every penny. It sheds tremendous light not just on the facts and history of the game, but also the rich ties to American culture. An absolute wonderful documentary and if you liked the Burns Civil War series, you'll love this.
Rocketbooster
01-03-09, 11:16 AM
Absolutely fabulous! If you enjoy baseball history it is a must have.
I taped it when it originally ran on PBS but bought the DVDs a couple of years ago. I watch it at least twice a year (mostly to get me through the off season). My favorite inning (it's broken down by innings instead of chapters) is "The Capital of Baseball", which is about baseball in NY from the late 40s to the early 60s.
As GordonGecko said, buy them on line. I got mine from deepdiscount.com (around $100), but I've seen them pretty cheap on eBay too.
Heidi
Hi Heidi
I'm so excited about this. I think my favorite chapters are going to be the ones on the early history of baseball, the one with Christy Mathewson and Walter Johnson and the Black Sox/baseball in the 20's one.
Rocketbooster
01-03-09, 11:18 AM
Yes, Burns covers him with pretty good detail. Mathewson died in the 20s. He was exposed to a mustard gas attack during World War I and his final years were unpleasant.
Wow, how sad.
SI had an article on Mathewson and John McGraw a few years ago - it was a good one. Wasn't Christy also an educated man? I think I read that - apparently he was a really good guy.
Rocketbooster
01-03-09, 11:19 AM
While you're at it, you may want to consider "When it Was a Game". I enjoyed it very much. Burns' Baseball is great. So is this one.
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/movies/moviem09.shtml
I LOVED that show - the music always made me cry........but then, baseball always makes me cry. It reduces me to waxing poetic - I'm a baseball sentimentalist. I just think it's the most perfect game ever invented.
MunsonNY15
01-03-09, 11:20 AM
Hi Heidi
I'm so excited about this. I think my favorite chapters are going to be the ones on the early history of baseball, the one with Christy Mathewson and Walter Johnson and the Black Sox/baseball in the 20's one.
They are all great. Since you're so excited about it, I can't wait to read your reviews after you've watched it.
Good off-season discussion topic. :)
Heidi
Rocketbooster
01-03-09, 11:22 AM
I very much enjoyed it, but just be wary, it does sometimes border on fawning towards "our national pastime", sort of putting it on this pedestal like this untouchable mythical institution. I own the boxed set (got it several years ago, so it takes up a lot of space -- I'd imagine they've since come out with slimmer sets), and it's worth it.
And yes, the timing is kind of ironic, how it was supposed to coincide with the World Series, but instead ended up sort of replacing it -- it was everyone's baseball fix that October. And their timing in producing it turned out to be pretty good -- they managed to catch a lot of people right before they passed on -- including the Babe's sister!
IMO, that's not something to be wary about. I put baseball on a pedestal myself - I know you could argue that football is more popular in this country now (not sure if that is true or not), but baseball is ingrained in the American consciousness. It is part of our collective memory and there is a mythology about the game.
Rocketbooster
01-03-09, 11:24 AM
:lol:
Though I would like to see him do an updated installment for PBS. Think of all the material in the last 13 years he has to cover.
Heidi
MLB network is reairing Baseball and there will be new interviews with Burns -perhaps we will learn more about his future plans..........It would be great if he could update Baseball, but then, I'm not sure how practical it would be. Baseball is ongoing - he can't update it ever few years. I say, though, that if he were to do this, that he should only go through 2003, lol
MunsonNY15
01-03-09, 11:25 AM
Wow, how sad.
SI had an article on Mathewson and John McGraw a few years ago - it was a good one. Wasn't Christy also an educated man? I think I read that - apparently he was a really good guy.
Yes he went to college, something not a lot of early baseball players did. I think he was also the class president, IIRC.
He was also pretty religious. One of his nicknames was The Christian Gentleman and he refused to pitch on Sundays.
John McGraw on the other hand....
Although, his hatred/resentment of the Yankees and Babe Ruth aside, there is a part in the series where they mention that when his wife was going through his papers after he died, she found a hand written list of all the negro league players he would have liked to have had on his team is it was allowed at the time. Baseball's history sure would have been altered if the times were different.
Heidi
Wow, how sad.
SI had an article on Mathewson and John McGraw a few years ago - it was a good one. Wasn't Christy also an educated man? I think I read that - apparently he was a really good guy.
I went to a Hofstra-Bucknell football game at Bucknell once, and their field was named after Christy Matthewson, so I assume he is an alumnus from there.
MunsonNY15
01-03-09, 11:33 AM
I went to a Hofstra-Bucknell football game at Bucknell once, and their field was named after Christy Matthewson, so I assume he is an alumnus from there.
I think it was Bucknell. He was from Pennsylvania.
Heidi
Rocketbooster
01-03-09, 11:57 AM
Yes he went to college, something not a lot of early baseball players did. I think he was also the class president, IIRC.
He was also pretty religious. One of his nicknames was The Christian Gentleman and he refused to pitch on Sundays.
John McGraw on the other hand....
Although, his hatred/resentment of the Yankees and Babe Ruth aside, there is a part in the series where they mention that when his wife was going through his papers after he died, she found a hand written list of all the negro league players he would have liked to have had on his team is it was allowed at the time. Baseball's history sure would have been altered if the times were different.
Heidi
Thanks, Heidi! I'm pretty sure there is a biography of Mathewson out there - I may buy it.
You're certainly right about this.
JfromJersey
01-03-09, 12:02 PM
Burns documentaries are national treasures. The major ones on Baseball, The Civil War, Jazz, and The War (WW2) are great, but I also loved the minor biographical documentaries on Jefferson, Frank Lloyd Wright, and Mark Twain.
Of course, when you have the resources to produce 8 to 12 hour films, you can go into a lot greater depth and detail on the subject.
ChinMusic
01-03-09, 12:34 PM
Yes, Burns covers him with pretty good detail. Mathewson died in the 20s. He was exposed to a mustard gas attack during World War I and his final years were unpleasant.
I can vouch for that. I shared a bedroom with my brother growing up, and I was exposed to a mustard gas attack everytime he ate hotdogs.
:lol:
Though I would like to see him do an updated installment for PBS. Think of all the material in the last 13 years he has to cover.
Heidi
Agreed. That would be great, but a lot of it would have to be steroids coverage.
Retire21
01-03-09, 01:24 PM
I can vouch for that. I shared a bedroom with my brother growing up, and I was exposed to a mustard gas attack everytime he ate hotdogs.
Hopefully your subsequent years weren't unpleasant. :)
njyankeesfan
01-04-09, 04:47 PM
I was home sick for a week over the holidays some years ago and watched the whole series, in sequence. It's wonderful!
Rocketbooster
01-04-09, 05:45 PM
I may watch the first part tonight......
I just ordered a few books :
Matty : An American Hero by Ray Robinson
The Old Ballgame - by Frank Deford (about Mathewson and John McGraw - a fleshing out of an article he wrote for SI in 2003).
The Player - also about Mathewson
Has anyone read those?
MunsonNY15
01-04-09, 06:21 PM
I may watch the first part tonight......
I just ordered a few books :
Matty : An American Hero by Ray Robinson
The Old Ballgame - by Frank Deford (about Mathewson and John McGraw - a fleshing out of an article he wrote for SI in 2003).
The Player - also about Mathewson
Has anyone read those?
I haven't read any of them, but I'm always up for a good biography.
Try posting the question the Good Yankees Books forum:
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=108725
Even though it's primarily about Yankees related books, other baseball books are also discussed from time to time. You might find someone there who has read them.
Heidi
Rocketbooster
01-04-09, 10:47 PM
I haven't read any of them, but I'm always up for a good biography.
Try posting the question the Good Yankees Books forum:
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=108725
Even though it's primarily about Yankees related books, other baseball books are also discussed from time to time. You might find someone there who has read them.
Heidi
Thanks, Heidi......will check that out!
jimmyclark
01-05-09, 08:57 AM
I may watch the first part tonight......
I just ordered a few books :
Matty : An American Hero by Ray Robinson
The Old Ballgame - by Frank Deford (about Mathewson and John McGraw - a fleshing out of an article he wrote for SI in 2003).
The Player - also about Mathewson
Has anyone read those?
The Deford book is alright. Worth reading if you are not that familiar with Mathewson and McGraw. Of course Mathewson's own "Pitching in a Pinch" is a classic.
Rocketbooster
01-05-09, 11:11 AM
The Deford book is alright. Worth reading if you are not that familiar with Mathewson and McGraw. Of course Mathewson's own "Pitching in a Pinch" is a classic.
I didn't know Mathewson wrote a book - thanks, Jimmy!
I think Mathewson also played a part in uncovering the Black Sox scandal.....I think he was covering the Series for a newspaper, but I admit I forget the details.
I saw the "First Inning" last night - and I loved it. I admit, I'm gushy over baseball. Everything those talking heads said about how beautiful a game it is .....it's how I feel. Early baseball history is so interesting - and it shows how nothing ever changes. The owners now are no different then the owners then - interested in controlling the players and the bottom line. I know some people get upset about how much $$$ the players make, but IMO, it is a far better system now than it was with the reserve clause in place. That was detestable and I found myself on the side of the players.......which I am still today. Baltimore and Boston were the top two teams.....all the other teams felt rather hopeless in their wake, and so did the fans. Sound familiar? It's amazing how the game has come full circle.
I loved hearing about John McGraw and the feisty Baltimore Orioles - just extremely interesting.
Burns just said on Hot Stove that there will be an update to the documentary!
MunsonNY15
01-05-09, 06:48 PM
Burns just said on Hot Stove that there will be an update to the documentary!
I turned it on too late. Did he say what the update was? I'd love it to be an installment on the last 13 years since the show originally aired.
Heidi
I turned it on too late. Did he say what the update was? I'd love it to be an installment on the last 13 years since the show originally aired.
Heidi
Inning 10 will likely include the 1992 NLCS to the present. He mentioned steroids, Ripken, the BoSox, Braves dominance, and of course, the Yankee dynasty. I am stoked for this.
MunsonNY15
01-05-09, 06:56 PM
Inning 10 will likely include the 1992 NLCS to the present. He mentioned steroids, Ripken, the BoSox, Braves dominance, and of course, the Yankee dynasty. I am stoked for this.
Did they say when it was going to air?
Heidi
Did they say when it was going to air?
Heidi
No. He didn't say when it might air. Apparently Burns is still working on it.
MunsonNY15
01-05-09, 08:42 PM
No. He didn't say when it might air. Apparently Burns is still working on it.
Oh, OK. So it's something we can expect to see in the future. I thought maybe it was something that would be on when the MLB channel is re-showing the documentary.
Heidi
Well, whenever Ken Burns does finish the "10th Inning", it would seem that it will be shown on the MLB Network. Burns mentioned that when he was first pitching "Baseball" to the various networks, he thought that it could only be shown on PBS or at some point in the future when MLB had its own network. Happily, the future is now!
Rocketbooster
01-05-09, 10:14 PM
Burns just said on Hot Stove that there will be an update to the documentary!
I heard that - it's going to be fabulous. Whoo hoo, I'm really excited. Anyone going to watch tomorrow, Baseball - First Inning? There will be some new Burns interviews as well
BillBuckner
01-06-09, 09:56 AM
I think Mathewson also played a part in uncovering the Black Sox scandal.....I think he was covering the Series for a newspaper, but I admit I forget the details.
He certainly did. It was one of his last contributions to the game before he died. You'll get the details in the third inning.
Toaderly
01-06-09, 10:08 AM
While you're at it, you may want to consider "When it Was a Game". I enjoyed it very much. Burns' Baseball is great. So is this one.
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/movies/moviem09.shtml
I've got a few of those taped from when it aired on FSN last fall. Like you said, it's great. The only downside is the commercials, which I assume "Baseball" will now have when it's shown on MLBN.
jimmyclark
01-06-09, 10:11 AM
He certainly did. It was one of his last contributions to the game before he died. You'll get the details in the third inning.
Mathewson had also been the manager of the Cincinnati Reds in 1918. I think he was in the military too long to manage them in 1919 plus at some pointed he was exposed to poison gas which weakened his lungs and eventually killed him. He gave Chicago sportswriter Hugh Fullerton his opinions on which plays were legitimate and weren't. As Reds manager he tried to get rid of the notorious Hal Chase (first Yankee captain, by the way) who was involved in all sorts of shady deals.
Toaderly
01-06-09, 10:13 AM
Inning 10 will likely include the 1992 NLCS to the present. He mentioned steroids, Ripken, the BoSox, Braves dominance, and of course, the Yankee dynasty. I am stoked for this.
He also said it would go up to 2007, which I thought was a little off since 2008 was sort of the "official" post-steroids season. Either way, it will be interesting to see how he handles the whole PED thing. Whether he names names, how much detail he might go into each individual player and/or team and/or records being broken, etc.
hardrain
01-06-09, 03:10 PM
Inning 1 is tonight on MLB at 8pm - (sorry if already mentioned)
teknetic
01-06-09, 03:26 PM
I had the slightest clue as to who he was until last night. He seemed so enamored with the sport and would have probably kept talking for ages had it not been for HR constantly interrupting him.
Rocketbooster
01-06-09, 05:53 PM
He certainly did. It was one of his last contributions to the game before he died. You'll get the details in the third inning.
Thanks!
I just got my books on Mathewson - can't wait to really get into them.
1936-1939JoeNLou
01-06-09, 06:51 PM
Thanks!
I just got my books on Mathewson - can't wait to really get into them.
Great pitcher, especially in the world series.
Im glad I'm not the only one who loves to read about past players.
Rocketbooster
01-06-09, 07:32 PM
Great pitcher, especially in the world series.
Im glad I'm not the only one who loves to read about past players.
Yep, and I'm particularly enamored of old-time baseball history. In addition to learning more about Mathewson, it will also give me a chance to learn about the era in which he pitched. Absolutely fascinating
Was just watching one of the early episodes on MLB Channel tonight and what strikes me as so interesting is that we think of the early days of baseball as this time when it was all about the game and it was still pure. But even in the 1880s baseball was criticized for being to much of a business and players getting paid to much and yet people still loved it just like today.
Yankees Empire
01-06-09, 10:13 PM
One of the great highlights of this fabulous series is the material with Buck O'Neil. I found his enthusiasm and dignity absolutely wonderful. The stories he tells are truly joyous.
machphantom
01-06-09, 10:18 PM
I found it interesting there was a huge deal about curveballs, even having the Harvard Pres voicing his anger over the deceptive pitch.
hellonewman
01-06-09, 10:20 PM
Yes, Burns covers him with pretty good detail. Mathewson died in the 20s. He was exposed to a mustard gas attack during World War I and his final years were unpleasant.I believe his exposure to mustard gas actually happened during a training drill stateside. They were teaching recruits about utilizing a gas mask and had a bunch of the recruits in a room. A bell was supposed to ring to signal that you had something like 10 seconds to get your mask on before they released the gas into the room (unbelievable that they actually used real gas in these drills). Apparently, the bell malfunctioned and didn't go off, but the gas got released. It was an awful scene as you can imagine with men dropping to the floor in agony, some of them killed right on the spot.
Ty Cobb was in that room as well, by the way. He saw what was happening in time and threw himself on the floor and got the mask on before swallowing a substantial dose. Mathewson wasn't so lucky. :(
Rocketbooster
01-06-09, 10:59 PM
Was just watching one of the early episodes on MLB Channel tonight and what strikes me as so interesting is that we think of the early days of baseball as this time when it was all about the game and it was still pure. But even in the 1880s baseball was criticized for being to much of a business and players getting paid to much and yet people still loved it just like today.
I posted that earlier - it's ironic, or circular or whatever. The National League took control and instituted that reserve clause - you had labor problems and disgruntled fans (thanks to two dominant teams). It's really amazing.......LOL The Cincinnati Red Stockings lost 1 game after winning 92 and they were forced to fold because of unhappy, angry fans. They make Yankee fans look tolerant!
Rocketbooster
01-06-09, 11:03 PM
I believe his exposure to mustard gas actually happened during a training drill stateside. They were teaching recruits about utilizing a gas mask and had a bunch of the recruits in a room. A bell was supposed to ring to signal that you had something like 10 seconds to get your mask on before they released the gas into the room (unbelievable that they actually used real gas in these drills). Apparently, the bell malfunctioned and didn't go off, but the gas got released. It was an awful scene as you can imagine with men dropping to the floor in agony, some of them killed right on the spot.
Ty Cobb was in that room as well, by the way. He saw what was happening in time and threw himself on the floor and got the mask on before swallowing a substantial dose. Mathewson wasn't so lucky. :(
According to the books I have ( I thumbed through them), Christy was exposed to the gas during drills in France.......
It's heartbreaking to me, really. This guy was literally the All-American boy- very handsome, college-educated, a gentleman and a legendary pitcher. Dying at 45 is so tragic.......and his son died young as well.
One of the great highlights of this fabulous series is the material with Buck O'Neil. I found his enthusiasm and dignity absolutely wonderful. The stories he tells are truly joyous.
Love your avatar. Vader rules.
penguin4
01-07-09, 10:56 AM
According to the books I have ( I thumbed through them), Christy was exposed to the gas during drills in France.......
It's heartbreaking to me, really. This guy was literally the All-American boy- very handsome, college-educated, a gentleman and a legendary pitcher. Dying at 45 is so tragic.......and his son died young as well.Has anyone ever read The Celebrant by Eric Rolfe Greenberg? It's a fictionalized account that revolves around Christy Mathewson and baseball of that era. I had some problems with the actual story, but it's definitely worth a read, because you really get sense of what baseball was like in that era and the kind of person Matty was -- by the end, you sort of feel like you know him in the same way the protagonist does.
It really makes me want to get my hands on the Ray Robinson biography, too -- if it's anything like his Gehrig biography (which was until recently the "gold standard" of Gehrig bios), the research is probably not perfect, but it's likely a good read -- I've enjoyed everything else I've read by him, as well (plus I met him a few years ago and he's a super-nice guy). Definitely let me know how it is.
hellonewman
01-07-09, 01:32 PM
According to the books I have ( I thumbed through them), Christy was exposed to the gas during drills in France.......OK, may have been France. I am sure it was during a drill, though, and not an attack as a previous poster mentioned. I'm also pretty sure about Ty Cobb having been involved in the same drill but escaping injury.
It's heartbreaking to me, really. This guy was literally the All-American boy- very handsome, college-educated, a gentleman and a legendary pitcher.Not the complete goody-goody his image sometimes portrays him as, though. I think Cait Murphy mentioned in "Crazy '08" that Christy really liked his Scotch whiskey. There had to be SOME reason he got along so well with McGraw. :)
penguin4
01-07-09, 03:04 PM
BTW, speaking of Ken Burns' "10th inning", this press release just came in the mail:
LANDMARK KEN BURNS SERIES "BASEBALL"
UP TO BAT IN SPRING 2010 ON PBS
New Episode THE TENTH INNING
Chronicles the Sport's Past 15 years
PBS Press Tour; Los Angeles, CA; January 7, 2009 - PBS (Public Broadcasting
Service) announced today that it will air the new Ken Burns documentary film,
THE TENTH INNING, in the spring of 2010. The program is co-directed by Burns and
longtime colleague Lynn Novick and co-written and produced by Burns, Novick and
David McMahon. The special will coincide with a re-broadcast of the original
nine-part documentary series, BASEBALL, which debuted in 1994 and was seen by
more than 48 million viewers.
Set to air 16 years after the landmark Emmy Award-winning series captivated
American viewers, THE TENTH INNING will follow baseball's trajectory from 1993
through 2008, beginning where the original series left off. Produced in
association with Major League Baseball Productions, the film celebrates
baseball's enduring appeal and showcases the unforgettable heroics and
achievements on the field over the past 15 years, vividly presented against a
backdrop of the social and cultural history of America during this same period.
It also details the tumultuous times the sport faced during this era, from
performance-enhancing drugs to the players' strike that tested the loyalty of
many fans.
"So much has transpired in baseball since we last examined the game and all of
its many nuances" said Ken Burns. "Above all, this new installment furthers a
sense of celebration and introspection around one of our nation's greatest
institutions, the seemingly simple stick and ball game whose infinite variations
and possibilities have entranced our ever-changing nation for nearly 200 years."
"Ken and I are passionate baseball fans ourselves, so it's a project that
resonates with us on many levels," added Lynn Novick. "We were extremely
fortunate to capture a cross-section of compelling perspectives on the game, and
gain a deeper understanding of what it means in our ever-changing world."
"We're thrilled to revisit BASEBALL with Ken, Lynn and all of the talented folks
at Florentine Films," said John Boland, PBS Chief Content Officer. "For all of
the loyal viewers who have clamored over the years for a new chapter of
BASEBALL, we can now officially say it's time to 'play ball' once again."
Many familiar faces from the first nine installments of the series will add
their welcome perspectives on events of the last fifteen years, including
writers Roger Angell, Dan Okrent, Gerald Early and Doris Kearns Goodwin, as well
as broadcaster Bob Costas. The film will also feature revealing interviews with
player/managers Felipe Alou and Joe Torre, players Omar Vizquel and Ichiro
Suzuki, writers Marcos Breton and Howard Bryant, and other players, managers,
writers and fans from across the country, as well as overseas.
MunsonNY15
01-07-09, 04:13 PM
BTW, speaking of Ken Burns' "10th inning", this press release just came in the mail:
Thanks for posting, Penguin. I've been hoping for years for an update so I can't wait!
Heidi
Rocketbooster
01-07-09, 09:13 PM
Has anyone ever read The Celebrant by Eric Rolfe Greenberg? It's a fictionalized account that revolves around Christy Mathewson and baseball of that era. I had some problems with the actual story, but it's definitely worth a read, because you really get sense of what baseball was like in that era and the kind of person Matty was -- by the end, you sort of feel like you know him in the same way the protagonist does.
It really makes me want to get my hands on the Ray Robinson biography, too -- if it's anything like his Gehrig biography (which was until recently the "gold standard" of Gehrig bios), the research is probably not perfect, but it's likely a good read -- I've enjoyed everything else I've read by him, as well (plus I met him a few years ago and he's a super-nice guy). Definitely let me know how it is.
It's funny, but I could hardly find any reviews on Matty - An American Hero. I will definitely let you know how I like it as I go along.
Rocketbooster
01-07-09, 09:17 PM
OK, may have been France. I am sure it was during a drill, though, and not an attack as a previous poster mentioned. I'm also pretty sure about Ty Cobb having been involved in the same drill but escaping injury.
Not the complete goody-goody his image sometimes portrays him as, though. I think Cait Murphy mentioned in "Crazy '08" that Christy really liked his Scotch whiskey. There had to be SOME reason he got along so well with McGraw. :)
LOL Even his widow said that (just paraphrasing here) there's no way she'd marry a prig! It's not that he was a goody-goody, but by all accounts he had an extraordinarily strong character and was just such a decent guy. When basball at that time was populated by all sorts of no-goodniks, what a change Matty presented to people. What a great nickname - Big Six. I also love the name "fadeaway" better than "screwball". I find his relationship with McGraw very touching - of course, I only know about it in a vague way. Hopefully reading these books will rectify that situation.
3 complete game shutouts in the 1905 WS - 373 wins. Crazy good. I'd guess he's probably in the top 5 pitchers of all time
mjdlight
01-08-09, 12:36 PM
I'm very, very pumped for this, but everyone prepare yourselves for some MAJOR Doris Kearns Goodwin gushing about the RS when we get to 2004...
penguin4
01-08-09, 01:31 PM
I'm very, very pumped for this, but everyone prepare yourselves for some MAJOR Doris Kearns Goodwin gushing about the RS when we get to 2004...Good point. I may have to turn off the TV when they get to that part. I feel sick just from seeing pictures of the way that ALCS ended.
Rocketbooster
01-08-09, 10:48 PM
I just watched the Second Inning - it's probably going to be one of my favorites. How can it not, learning about Mathewson, Johnson, Cobb, Wagner.......Then, poor Merkle......It was just extremely well done.
mjdlight
01-09-09, 11:17 AM
I just watched the Second Inning - it's probably going to be one of my favorites. How can it not, learning about Mathewson, Johnson, Cobb, Wagner.......Then, poor Merkle......It was just extremely well done.
After you finish Baseball, if you've never seen his documentary on the Civil War, you really need to take a look. Every bit as good.
Rocketbooster
01-09-09, 06:17 PM
After you finish Baseball, if you've never seen his documentary on the Civil War, you really need to take a look. Every bit as good.
I did and I absolutely loved it. I am a Civil War buff, so that was crack to me, lol.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AvL5N92NR21K1iYZKJ_KPd85nYcB?slug=jp-burns070909&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Burns had said he would never make a sequel. And here he was, at his favorite ballpark, with his favorite cinematographer, watching his favorite team, and doing just that. The nine-part “Baseball” series Burns delivered on PBS in 1994 wasn’t just a documentary about a sport. It was an oral history of the nation’s last 100 years told through a game that so often mirrors its country’s fortunes, and the 15 years since begged for Burns’ eye to be turned on baseball once more.
So what started as a seed in Burns’ head following the 2004 World Series bloomed into what he’s deeming the “10th inning” – a look at steroids and statistics, the Latin American and Japanese revolution, dynasties built and curses broken, and how no matter the feelings of the public about baseball or its flagging popularity, its place in America remains unchanged.
The film is scheduled to debut in September 2010 on PBS, and after one more shoot over the weekend in Brooklyn, Burns will hunker down at his house in Walpole, N.H., and start cutting together what’s supposed to be a two-hour film. How he’ll cram the ’94 strike and the Yankees’ dynasty and Sosa and McGwire and Bonds and steroids and the 2004 ALCS and the Red Sox finally winning and countless other things into two hours is another question altogether.
Read the whole article if you've got a couple of minutes. I'm looking forward to the "10th Inning".
ZYanksRule
07-10-09, 08:09 PM
Wow, sounds awesome. can't wait to see what he does with it.
Retire21
07-10-09, 08:44 PM
Very, very exciting. Can't wait for the segment on the 1996-2001 dynasty, something about the Yankees' inspirational run during 2001, and possibly a segment on the brilliance of Mariano Rivera.
The segment on Rivera would fit well. Establish how incredible he was/has been 1996-2000 or thru 2009, which would set up the miraculous losses of 2001 & 2004 with him right at the center. It would help to make the D-Backs and Sox wins seem even more noteworthy that they beat the Great Rivera.
Can't wait.
Tommy John
02-01-10, 08:33 PM
It'll be 1:50 on the ................ing 2004 Boston ................ing Red Sox, 10 minutes for everything else. Pass.
sweet_lou_14
02-01-10, 08:53 PM
Very, very exciting. Can't wait for the segment on the 1996-2001 dynasty, something about the Yankees' inspirational run during 2001, and possibly a segment on the brilliance of Mariano Rivera.
The segment on Rivera would fit well. Establish how incredible he was/has been 1996-2000 or thru 2009, which would set up the miraculous losses of 2001 & 2004 with him right at the center. It would help to make the D-Backs and Sox wins seem even more noteworthy that they beat the Great Rivera.
Can't wait.
The 9th inning of Game 7 in 2001 might be the worst inning Rivera's thrown in his whole career. The D'Backs beat him, but he also beat himself with a throwing error and a hit batter (Craig Counsell of all people).
In 2004, the degree to which the Red Sox "beat" him is hugely exaggerated. A walk, a stolen base, and a seeing-eye grounder tied Game 4. His "blown save" in Game 5 involved inheriting a runner on third with nobody out and giving up a sac fly to tie the game. He never gave up the winning run to Boston in any of their four victories.
(That said, I like your general idea ... I just had to get that off my chest.)
BRNXBMRS
02-02-10, 08:11 AM
It'll be 1:50 on the ................ing 2004 Boston ................ing Red Sox, 10 minutes for everything else. Pass.
A sox love fest and a brief mention of everything else thats happened since 1994.
yankeesjetsfan
02-02-10, 08:20 AM
I love watching this documentary and have been meaning to pick it up. I see it for good prices on ebay so I may break down and buy the dvd set as a birthday present from me to me. I'm also looking forward to the tenth inning. I can only assume that MLB Network will be airing it?
Mike
BronxYanks45
02-02-10, 01:20 PM
just starrted watching this series on MLB Network, really good
ericns1
02-02-10, 02:31 PM
Just fast forward over the 2004 playoffs
BRNXBMRS
02-02-10, 03:37 PM
just starrted watching this series on MLB Network, really good
Its incredible!!! The "Capital of Baseball" episode is amazing.
Cool Papa B.
02-02-10, 08:11 PM
Awesome series & good job by Ken Burns!!! I was going to buy the box set, but then I found about the "10th inning" addition Burns is doing. Should I just wait for that to come out and then buy the whole set or just buy the set now and buy the 10th inning when it comes out? What do you guys think?
MunsonNY15
02-02-10, 08:20 PM
Awesome series & good job by Ken Burns!!! I was going to buy the box set, but then I found about the "10th inning" addition Burns is doing. Should I just wait for that to come out and then buy the whole set or just buy the set now and buy the 10th inning when it comes out? What do you guys think?
I've had the DVD set for a few years now and I'm hoping they release the 10th inning separately. I'd hate to have to buy the whole thing again.
Heidi
BronxYanks45
02-03-10, 01:31 PM
hopefully the 10th inning coming out this fall on the MLB Network will cover alot since 1994:
-1994 strike
-moving to 3 divisions, new playoff format
-1998 home run race
-yankee dynasty 1996 to 2001 (maybe something extra on the 1998 team)
-september 11th and baseball
-2002 Wildcard World Series
-Bonds breaking HR records (both single season and career)
-Pete Rose coming clean
-Removal from 2012 Olympics
-World Baseball Classic
-last season in Old Yankee stadium
and yes sadly these topics as well
-steroid era
-2004 Red Sox (the topic is significant, I mean they ended their WS losing streak, but its a sore topic with Yankees fans)
MunsonNY15
02-03-10, 04:43 PM
hopefully the 10th inning coming out this fall on the MLB Network will cover alot since 1994:
-1994 strike
-moving to 3 divisions, new playoff format
-1998 home run race
-yankee dynasty 1996 to 2001 (maybe something extra on the 1998 team)
-september 11th and baseball
-2002 Wildcard World Series
-Bonds breaking HR records (both single season and career)
-Pete Rose coming clean
-Removal from 2012 Olympics
-World Baseball Classic
-last season in Old Yankee stadium
and yes sadly these topics as well
-steroid era
-2004 Red Sox (the topic is significant, I mean they ended their WS losing streak, but its a sore topic with Yankees fans)
That's what FF buttons are for. :)
Heidi
BronxYanks45
06-09-10, 11:32 AM
for those wanting info on the 10th inning he spoke about it at the Nationals game:
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=8801019
it will be on PBS Sept 28th and 29th
Yanks are @TOR both days so I will DVR it
snarkerella
06-09-10, 11:36 AM
I'm expecting it to be a lovefest over the 2004 Red Sox (with little to no mention of the 2005 White Sox), barf. Hopefully there's some good stuff on the Yankees' dynasty.
YanksFan1992
06-09-10, 12:04 PM
for those wanting info on the 10th inning he spoke about it at the Nationals game:
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=8801019
it will be on PBS Sept 28th and 29th
Yanks are @TOR both days so I will DVR it
Great news, and I can't wait to see it. I guess I'll have to rent the full series again before it's aired, just to familiarize myself with how good the series has been.
PeteRFNY
06-09-10, 12:21 PM
You know the only thing that will suck about watching the 10th Inning? When they get to the 2001 World Series. :(
Burns' Brooklyn Bridge documentary is also fascinating: http://www.pbs.org/kenburns/brooklynbridge/
MunsonNY15
06-09-10, 02:17 PM
I'm really looking forward to watching this.
Mike Francesa interviewed Burns about making the new episode. You can hear it here:
http://www.wfan.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=4703369
Heidi
I'm expecting it to be a lovefest over the 2004 Red Sox (with little to no mention of the 2005 White Sox), barf. Hopefully there's some good stuff on the Yankees' dynasty.One thing about the 1994 show; it TORCHED George Steinbrenner. One of the last segments of it had John Chancellor intoning how the Yankees hadn't won ANTYHING since Steinbrenner's banishment. Admittedly Steinbrenner has a mixed legacy. But the other side is whether Burns prefers the Glass family in KC or Kevin Mcclatchy in Pitsburgh or numerous other small market owners who pocket Yankee revenue sharing cash with one hand and show it into their pockets rather than spend it on their teams. One thing any basball historian will tell you if he;s honest is that there has never truly been equal competition, and that goes back to the 1800s.
Tommy John
06-12-10, 11:48 AM
I'm expecting it to be a lovefest over the 2004 Red Sox (with little to no mention of the 2005 White Sox), barf. Hopefully there's some good stuff on the Yankees' dynasty.Thank you, I am glad that you are also pointing this out. I feel the same way. I am sorry, but I cannot help but feel slighted over that. Here is what I expect:
Ken Burns presents: "Baseball! The Sequel!"
2004 Boston Red Sox win World Series!!!
Stephen King, Doris Kearns Goodwin, Dennis Leary, Ben Affleck, Dan Shaughnessy, and all long-suffering Boston fans will chip in and reveal their innermost thoughts about the Sawx winning it all, and how time stood still, and how they cried thinking of Gramps, Granny, Uncle Chowder, Aunt Clammy and all those dearly-departed loved ones who had their hearts permanently shattered by Johnny Pesky, Bob Gibson, the Big Red Machine, Bucky Dent, Bill Buckner, etc., etc., etc. George Will will chip in his thoughts and drone about how watching the 2004 Red Sox win it all made him hope against hope that their NL blood brothers the Cubs would be next, and how he is still waiting.
And here is what we will see about the 2005 White Sox ending a longer drought:
Not that I am bitter or anything.
allybear
06-12-10, 09:11 PM
:roflmao:
Outstanding!
Obviously that will all be in there, but according to Burns it is going to start out right where the last one ended - Joe Carter. So before we get to all those chowder-sucking clowns, there's a certain dynasty for them to cover that I'm quite fond of...until 2001, that is.
Tommy John
06-13-10, 11:24 AM
Obviously that will all be in there, but according to Burns it is going to start out right where the last one ended - Joe Carter. So before we get to all those chowder-sucking clowns, there's a certain dynasty for them to cover that I'm quite fond of...until 2001, that is.The heavy emphasis will be on 2001. But I think they'll cover the Yankees of that era pretty well. How could they not?
ericns1
06-14-10, 06:00 PM
Tommy John - that was brilliant - one thought watch the addition and just turn it off when the 2004 tragedy occurs!
DEADSOX
06-14-10, 06:12 PM
Ken Burns has always done an excellent job, I don't suspect he will overexaggerate anything or slight anything much. I'm sure the dynasty, the Maris record (and steroids by association), 2001, the '04 Red Sox, and '05 White Sox will get a pretty strong emphasis though.
Tommy John
06-19-10, 08:58 AM
Ken Burns has always done an excellent job, I don't suspect he will overexaggerate anything or slight anything much. I'm sure the dynasty, the Maris record (and steroids by association), 2001, the '04 Red Sox, and '05 White Sox will get a pretty strong emphasis though.I'm not holding out any hope that the 2005 White Sox will get their due. It would be nice if Ken Burns at least acknowledged that they won it all for the first time in 88 years.
Of course, they might get mentioned in conjunction with the Beloved Sox of 2004: Two teams! Two Curses! (GAG) Broken in back-to-back years! What are the odds???!!!
Ken Burns' Baseball Extra innings will air Sept 28 and 29 on PBS
http://www.florentinefilms.com/ffpages/WN-frameset.html
this series needs more on the labor struggles of baseball.
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Washington Post - Jun 15, 2010
The acclaimed filmmaker and lifelong Red Sox fan on why Joe Torre's brilliant leadership of the New York Yankees reminds him of Abraham Lincoln. ...
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Washington Post
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Washington Post (blog) - Jun 16, 2010
Burns: I think that, for all the bluster, the Martin-Steinbrenner axis didn't really produce that great Yankees teams. The Joe Torre model did
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that made me laugh, in the excellent manner of one mr.burns
I am probably late with this but the 2004 set of DVD's is now on sale at Amazon.com for $77.49, and they are taking orders for his new "Baseball - the tenth inning", due to be released 10/4/2010 and priced at $17.49
Andy
Octoberbaby
06-25-10, 03:08 AM
I had recorded the whole thing the last time they aired it on MLB Network. Then I forgot to take the last tape out of the VCR and this season I taped over one or two episodes by mistake, not realizing that was the Baseball tape. So now I am missing the 7th and 8th Innings. :( I wonder if they are going to repeat that on MLB so I can retape those?
MunsonNY15
06-25-10, 11:08 AM
I had recorded the whole thing the last time they aired it on MLB Network. Then I forgot to take the last tape out of the VCR and this season I taped over one or two episodes by mistake, not realizing that was the Baseball tape. So now I am missing the 7th and 8th Innings. :( I wonder if they are going to repeat that on MLB so I can retape those?
I would bet that MLB Network shows the whole thing again prior to showing the 10th inning.
Heidi
BronxYanks45
06-26-10, 09:15 AM
I would bet that MLB Network shows the whole thing again prior to showing the 10th inning.
Heidi
yea I bet too
I picked up the DVD box set and I freakin love it
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