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CanoForPresident

01-02-09, 01:03 PM

The Two major High School All American Bowls will take place this weekend. The AAA Bowl be air on NBC tomorrow at 1 and the UA Bowl on Sunday at 8 EST on ESPN. A good number of the best players in this years class are expected to make a decsion as to where they will be playing football next year over the next two days. I'll try to compile a list of everyone who will/does commit during those games. I'd appreciate it if fans of other teams who follow recruiting can let me know who I've forgotten on this list because I know I didn't come close to getting everyone...

QB Tajh Boyd - Committed to Clemson
OL John Martinez - Committed to USC
ATH Andre DeBose - Committed to Florida
ATH Ray Ray Armstrong - Committed to Miami
DE Dyron Dye - Committed to Miami
DT Jamarcus Mcfarland (unconfirmed) - Commited to Oklahoma
DE Devon Kennard - Committed to USC
DB Craig Loston - Commits to LSU
DT William Campbell - Committed to Michigan
WR/DB Adam Hall - Committed to Arizona
OT Xavier Nixon - Committed to Florida
WR Bryce Mcneal - Committed to Clemson
LB Jon Bostic - Committed to Florida
OT Marcus Hall - Committed to Ohio State
OL Brennan Williams - Committed to UNC
DB Michael Carter - Committed to WVU
OL Mike Brazinski - Committed to Cal
DB Branden Smith - Committed to Georgia

Yanks1976

01-02-09, 09:10 PM

Edited because I somehow missed Nixon on your list.

CanoForPresident

01-02-09, 09:43 PM

Edited because I somehow missed Nixon on your list.

No I added him in after you posted, thanks :lol:

CanoForPresident

01-03-09, 12:06 PM

Ah great, heres Lemming.

CanoForPresident

01-03-09, 12:13 PM

Initial impressions of the East Offense...

Aaron Murrary looks really, really small and im not talking about weight wise. I'm surprised that he is ranked as highly as he is. His arm strength looks pretty average too.

Patrick Hall dropped an easy pick. His hands are better than that.

and LOL at Jake Golic being in this game. What can Lemming do for you? (if you're an ND commit)

The West didn't get much going either other than a nice run by Christine Michael. This looks like its gonna be a low scoring game.

Nice run by Bryce Brown, then he dropped an easy TD on 3rd and 15.

The QB's in this game aren't nearly as good as the one who will play in the Under Armor game tomorrow.

West goes three and out again. Shaq Evans continues to drop passes.

Arizona WR Adam Hall Cuts his list down to Oregon, Arizona and Cal.

DJ Fluker is ridiculous.

Pick 6 for Willie Downs from the East.

Yanks1976

01-03-09, 01:40 PM

Have I ever mentioned I hate the hat game? Just pick up the damn thing and put it on.

CanoForPresident

01-03-09, 01:49 PM

Have I ever mentioned I hate the hat game? Just pick up the damn thing and put it on.

Its always been lame, except when Andre Smith did it :lol:

I'd also like to point out that West DB TJ Macdonald got ................ing HUGE over the last few months. I saw him out at Rising Stars in June and he was pretty lean, he looks bigger than some of the line backers in this game now.

Great throw by Boyd to Bryce Brown. Tajh Boyd is the only QB who has looked any good in this game.

I feel bad for that poor linebacker who was line up against Brown :lol:

Yanks1976

01-03-09, 02:49 PM

Its always been lame, except when Andre Smith did it :lol:

I'd also like to point out that West DB TJ Macdonald got ................ing HUGE over the last few months. I saw him out at Rising Stars in June and he was pretty lean, he looks bigger than some of the line backers in this game now.

Great throw by Boyd to Bryce Brown. Tajh Boyd is the only QB who has looked any good in this game.

I feel bad for that poor linebacker who was line up against Brown :lol:

I havent been really watching. Is your boy Barkley out there? I heard he was fantastic in the skills tourney.

CanoForPresident

01-03-09, 03:00 PM

I havent been really watching. Is your boy Barkley out there? I heard he was fantastic in the skills tourney.

Hes down in Orlando at the Under Armor game.

He won the skills tourny by 46 points. It was funny watching him go up against some of the other QB's there, it looked like they didn't even play the same position. He's been head and shoulders the best QB there all week over guys like Brehaut, Nunes, Sheppard and Gilbert.

I really wish Bryce Brown would have gotten the chance to run the ball a bit more. Getting him lined up with a LB and throwing it downfield doesn't really do a good job of showcasing his best talents.

Yanks1976

01-03-09, 04:05 PM

2010 5-star OT Christian Lombard committed to ND at the game apparently.

http://notredame.scout.com/a.z?s=109&p=8&c=1&nid=3800938

CanoForPresident

01-03-09, 04:17 PM

2010 5-star OT Christian Lombard committed to ND at the game apparently.

http://notredame.scout.com/a.z?s=109&p=8&c=1&nid=3800938

I was wondering what the hell Lemming was talking about when he said he committed to ND.

If ND can keep him committed and land Henderson next year they'll have the makings of an excellent O Line. Hopefully if they decide to go there they don't both go the way of Sam Young.

Yanks1976

01-03-09, 04:30 PM

I was wondering what the hell Lemming was talking about when he said he committed to ND.

If ND can keep him committed and land Henderson next year they'll have the makings of an excellent O Line. Hopefully if they decide to go there they don't both go the way of Sam Young.

Honestly, I still don't know what is going on with Sam Young. He was hurt for a good portion of last season, but that still doesn't explain this year. As you said, the technique along the ND line has been screwy. I am not certain that Latina will be back...so maybe it is a coaching issue, maybe he is just a bust. It will be interesting to see what happens next season.

CanoForPresident

01-03-09, 05:05 PM

Honestly, I still don't know what is going on with Sam Young. He was hurt for a good portion of last season, but that still doesn't explain this year. As you said, the technique along the ND line has been screwy. I am not certain that Latina will be back...so maybe it is a coaching issue, maybe he is just a bust. It will be interesting to see what happens next season.

I think it has to do with the fact that they don't have any road graders on their OL. Most of those guys are guys who need to rely on technique and finesse (which doesn't work when they dont excell at either) rather than pounding Dlines and getting down field and throwing huge blocks, which explains their lack of running game. Henderson falls into this type of Olineman, but hes huge and his ceiling is infinate. I've seen a few people compare him to Orlando Pace.

Lombard from what I understand is more physical and plays with a bit of a mean streak. Those are the types of players ND should be targeting IMO.

2010 is going to be a fun year in recruiting. there are going to be a lot of battles for top players that will not be decided until late in the game. Pretty refreshing after how early most of the top kids committed this year.

CanoForPresident

01-04-09, 07:00 PM

Reminder that the Under Armor Game starts now on ESPN for anyone interested.

Yanks1976

01-04-09, 07:25 PM

Late start.

BroadwayBomber55

01-04-09, 07:32 PM

Here are the rosters for the 2009 Game
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/recruiting/tracker/underarmourgame?&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncf%2frecruiting%2ftracker%2funderarmourgame

BroadwayBomber55

01-04-09, 07:35 PM

And the Blog
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/news/story?id=3810095

CanoForPresident

01-04-09, 07:52 PM

Matt Barkley is on another level than the rest of these QB's.

Panamaniac42

01-05-09, 11:49 AM

Have I ever mentioned I hate the hat game? Just pick up the damn thing and put it on.

Even lamer is Brazinski (who committed to Cal at the Under Armour game). Made a big self-serving spectacle committing to RU (with his Superman tie and red blazer) and then flip-flopped a few months later. Hey the kid is entitled to change his mind but sheesh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzZ401q4I34

CanoForPresident

01-05-09, 01:42 PM

Even lamer is Brazinski (who committed to Cal at the Under Armour game). Made a big self-serving spectacle committing to RU (with his Superman tie and red blazer) and then flip-flopped a few months later. Hey the kid is entitled to change his mind but sheesh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzZ401q4I34

I thought he was a massive tool after he announced yesterday. After watching this, there is no doubt that I was right.

CanoForPresident

01-30-09, 09:55 PM

National Signing Day Update...

My top 10 classes so far heading into signing day.

10. Michigan - Regardless of what you think about Rich Rodriguez, you have to admire the job that he has done recruiting for the Wolverines coming off the season they just had. This class is headlined by Michigan DT William Campbell, big, strong, arguably the best D-linemen in the country against the run. Arizona DE Craig Roh had a very nice showing at the Under Armor game and figures to be an impact player once he puts some weight on his frame. The Wolverines also hold a committment from San Diego QB Tate Forcier, who has made more noise for his personal website (Http://www.QBforce.com) than his play on the field but all kidding aside, hes a solid fit for RichRod's system.

9. North Carolina - Butch Davis is taking a page out of the SEC's book this year as he holds 29 commitments for the class of 2009. They've complied a bunch of quality players in this class, though some of these kids will never step foot on campus, like Donnovan Tate who is assured to be a top 15 pick in this years mlb draft. The Prize of this class is DE Deonte Moss, who repeatedly got the better of Alabama commit DJ Fluker at the Army All American game, despite what was said in one of the other threads.

8. Miami - After landing a pretty awesome class last year, Randy Shannon has done a pretty solid job again this year but this class is completely different. For starters, there isn't a single linebacker committed to the Hurricanes this year and the ranking of their class hinges solely on whether or not they can sign Bryce Brown, but more on that later.

7. Georgia - Year after Year, the University of Georgia finds themselves ranked in the top 10 in recruiting but rarely have they landed that one kid who just wows you, this year is no different. Instate CB Branden Smith figures to be a good player but outside of him, the rest of the class is just solid. Some people like QB Aaron Murrary alot, but I'm not a fan (the 6'1" hes listed at is extremely generous.)

6. Florida - When Urban Meyer got to Gainsville, one of his biggest selling points to recruits was the lack of depth on the team and the oppurtunity to step in and contribute right away, he succeded in doing that and despite a national title, he hasn't picked up many impact players because of it since well, there isn't a ton of playing time to sell. Still, this is a pretty good class considering the Gators dont have many scholarships to give out (only 16 commits as of now.) They got a committment from Andre Debose, who is the most explosive and exciting offensive player in the country, which was essensial since Percy Harvin declared for the nfl draft. The Gators should pick up a committment or two on signing day, so they'll figure to move up this list.

5. Ohio State - 24 committs, probably looking at taking a full class at 25 when they pick up a verbal from Marcus Hall (announces Monday, sorry if I spoiled it for anyone who cares :P.) This isn't a watershed class for the Buckeyes but more of a "maintence" class, just like the one for the Hurricanes. OSU got their big catch in Terelle Pryor last year, now its all about surrounding him with the best team possible.

4. Texas - I like Texas' class alot this year. Garrett Gilbert is their big get (he set the state record for passing yards this season) but he'll need to bulk up and add arm strength if he wants to make it at the next level. Alex Okafor is one of the nations premiere Defensive Ends and Mason Walters is a beast at OT. Another kid I like a ton in this class is DT Calvin Howell, thought he played pretty well in the AAA. This class is done barring some last minute commit. Once again Texas is with out any Signing Day Drama, which is what happens when you get a ton of early commits from kids who were bread to go to UT.

3. Alabama - Nick Saban has his state on lock down but it shouldn't come as a shock. Saban put together one of the top 3 classes in the nation last year coming off of a poor season so to expect less coming off of a stellar season would be foolish. DJ Fluker is a mammoth OT with incredible athleticism for his size, but linebacker Nico Johnson is the guy who has stood out most to me - He moves effortlessly from side line to side line and he hits like a truck. Alabama still has some big names on the board (Ruben Randle, Patrick Patterson, Dre Kirkpatrick) and depending on what happens with the teams infront of them, they may finish at #1.

2. USC - It was a very big year talent wise in the state of California and the Trojans did well to land most of the state, and the nations top players. Matt Barkley seperated himself from every other HS QB during the all star weekend and they hold the commitment of the nations top Defensive End (Devon Kennard) top linebacker (Vontaze Burfict, thought that may change, more later), #2 Athlete (Patrick Hall) and #2 Safety (TJ McDonald.) Id have them at #1 if it looked like there was a better chance of them retaining Vontaze Burfict. They have a legit shot at finishing #1 if they retain their current commits, especially Burfict, and land a few players on signing day such as Hawaii linebacker Manti Teo.

1. lsu - Quality and Quantity. Russell Sheppard is one hell of an Athlete, Craig loston will be an incredible weapon at Safety and the rest of the class is littered with guys who will make positive contributions through out the next 4-5 years. Big name on the board is Ruben Randle and they're still in the Running for Georgia linebacker Jarvis Jones.

Top players left on the board, according to Rivals 100 (Home state in paranthesis)

1. Ruben Randle, Wide Reciever (lousiana) - Joe Mcknight was the exception, not the rule. Prediction: lsu

2. Jelani Jenkins, linebacker (Washington DC) - Penn State, Florida battle. There have been rumors that Jenkins has committed to both schools but he fits into Urban Meyer's preferance for smaller,speedier linebackers. Prediction: Florida

3. Manti Te'o, linebacker (Hawaii) - Shocked everyone by dropping BYU off his list last week when most deemed them the favorite to get his signature this Wednesday. He grew up idolizing Ken Norton Jr, his last visit is currently taking place at USC, they may have 3 linebackers drafted in the first round this year, not hard to see where this one is going, barring a disasterious visit. Prediction: USC

4. Dre Kirkpatrick, Cornerback (Alamaba) - do I need to get into this? Prediction: Alabama

5. Greg Reid, Athlete (Georgia) - this former Gator commit made one hell of an impression during the Under Armor game when he intercepted 2 passes and should have had a third. Hard to tell where hes leaning at the moment but the buzz says that hes going to be a nole. Prediction: FSU

6. Patrick Patterson - Wide Reciever (Mississippi), Alabama's consolation prize for losing out on Ruben Randle. Prediction: Alabama

7. Marlon Brown, Wide Reciever (Tenneessee) - The new regime at UT has been on him since they got in. Prediction: Tenneessee

8. Orson Charles, Tight End/WR (Florida) - says he will sign with a team after signing day and is scheduled to visit teams after this Wednesday. His HS QB (Aaron Murrary) is committed to Georgia, so i'll go with them. Prediction: Georgia

9. Xavier Su'a Filo, Offensive Tackle (Utah) - about four different teams have been rumored to be the favorite to sign him. When in doubt, stick with the home team. Prediction: Utah

10. Tana Patrick, linebacker (Alabama) - See: Dre Kirkpatrick

11. Jarvis Jones, linebacker (Georgia) - This one is one of the tougher ones to call. Hes been rumored to Florida for a while but those rumors are pretty much unfounded. What happens with Jones may depend on what happens with USC and Vontaze Burfict. Since it seems more likely than not that Burfict will Decommit from the Trojans, i'll give them the edge here. Prediction: USC

12. Byron Moore, Cornerback/Saftey (California) - hes committed and decommited from both SoCal schools. He lists Colorado, Notre Dame and USC, the school he just decommitted from as his final three. Prediction: Notre Dame

Soft Commits

Bryce Brown - It was pretty much assumed that once his older brother, Arthur, committed to the Canes last year that Bryce would follow in his footsteps. Since committing in Febuary, Bryce has seemingly played the recruiting game for attention, ala Terelle Pryor last year. To his credit, his most reason episode of wavering from Miami was due to the lack of an Offensive Coordinator but once Miami hired Mark Whipple, that pretty much quelled any fears Miami fans may have had of losing Brown. Can't say I'm 100% sure, but im confident that he'll remain a Hurricane.

Vontaze Burfict - Jumped on his offer from USC the second he recieved it and committed around the same time Brown verballed to Miami. Burfict isn't one of those kids who gives lipservice to the importance of Academics, his goal is to play three years in college and go straight to the nfl. Problem is, he needs to stay academically eligible in order to do that. I won't pull the Notre Dame card by saying he doesn't have the grades to get into USC (at this point, he doesnt have the grades to get in anywhere, but hes working on that), but I will say that USC is a MUCH tougher school to stay eligible at than say, Arizona State, the school that actually leads for his signature as of this moment. Pete Carroll has one last visit with the Burfict Family and if he cannot convince them that USC can provide Vontaze with the academic assistance he will need to stay eligible, then USC will lose the best HS linebacker to come out of California since DJ Williams to the Sun Devils.

Randall Carroll - His recruitment has been as up and down as anyones. He has been committed to USC for almost a year and a half and it seems like hes been ready to decommit for an entire year. He wants to go to USC but his family is pushing him to that other school in los angeles. If its his decision to make, he'll be a Trojan.

This has been the craziest year of recruiting I can remember. I can't remember the last time there were so many early commitments and some kids have committed to three different schools over the last year and its bound to only get crazier every year. If anyone feared that signing day this year would be without drama then worry not, you'll have plenty to worry about this Wedensday.

The Yankee Captain

02-03-09, 09:10 AM

Will ND get shut out on NSD again? They haven't had much luck lately on these NSD decisions. In on a few guys still.

CanoForPresident

02-03-09, 12:20 PM

Will ND get shut out on NSD again? They haven't had much luck lately on these NSD decisions. In on a few guys still.

No they wont. Thats all I'll say.

The Yankee Captain

02-03-09, 12:59 PM

No they wont. Thats all I'll say.

Do you have some inside info? I could see Moore choosing ND. Anybody else? People seem to think that ND is still in it for Te'o. I'd be pleasantly surprised if he chose ND, I just don't see it though. Starling has it down to USC and ND. Thigpen has opened his recruiting back up and just visited UCLA and may visit ND after NSD. If he doesn't sign tomorrow ND is still in it.

CanoForPresident

02-03-09, 01:07 PM

Do you have some inside info? I could see Moore choosing ND. Anybody else? People seem to think that ND is still in it for Te'o. I'd be pleasantly surprised if he chose ND, I just don't see it though. Starling has it down to USC and ND. Thigpen has opened his recruiting back up and just visited UCLA and may visit ND after NSD. If he doesn't sign tomorrow ND is still in it.

I'd say thats a fair assumption. The latest on Starling is that he is SC's to lose but I wont believe it until he signs.

and im pretty sure Thigpen already said he is delaying till after signing day.I like ND there too.

CanoForPresident

02-04-09, 01:11 AM

It's officially signing day everywhere except on the west coast!

Some quick things that have popped up in the last 12 hours...

- 4 Star Utah OL Xavier Sua Filo may push back signing his LOI. He has been leaning towards Utah but they don't have an offensive line coach at the moment and he may wait to see who they hire.

- 4 Star DB Byron Moore was all but signed to go to Notre Dame but in the last few hours, there are rumblings that he may re commit to USC. I should have known better than to predict Moore to ND, regardless of how many people i heard it from since hes already decommitted twice in the past year and can never make up his mind.

- The Buzz is that 5 star LB Jelani Jenkins will commit to Florida. Not a shock but Penn State was leading for him for a while.

- While his recruitment has been well under wraps, 5 Star LB Manti Te'o is scheduled for a conference call with USC's ESPN affilate, WeAreSC at 1 PM PST tomorrow.

I'll be pulling an all nighter, so I'll post more stuff when it come out.

TheMick@ND

02-04-09, 10:11 AM

CanoForPresident

02-04-09, 10:35 AM

CFP, you there? Just saw Jelani make it official to the Gators. I knew he was going there but it always rubs me the wrong way when guys talk about how important education is to them and then pick Florida over Stanford, ND and USC. You can get a good education anywhere, but those schools are definitely more well respected as far as academics.

I'm here, I actually dozed off at my computer for a little bit.

Jelani was charmed by Urbie. It's hard not to be impressed by what Meyer has to offer when you're just 16 years old.

Soriambi

02-04-09, 10:51 AM

Vontaza Burfict, a ***** MLB (ranked #1 in the country by Scout.com), has switched his commitment from USC to Arizona State.

NelsonMuntz

02-04-09, 10:59 AM

Bryce Brown is starting to sound like he's going to be a major headache for whichever school he ultimately attends. His "manager" seems like a real scumbag: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/04/sports/ncaafootball/04recruit.html?pagewanted=1&_r=3&hp

Sharing the spotlight and the drama of the decision is Brian Butler, who identifies himself as the Brown brothers’ trainer and manager. To get to Bryce Brown, coaches must go through Butler. He handles Brown’s workouts, recruiting and news media requests.

On a Web site, Butler sells updates of Brown’s recruitment for $9.99 a month or $59 a year. He also seeks contributions that he says are used to take players on a tour of colleges each summer.
...
Butler encouraged Huldon Tharp, a linebacker he trains, to spread word that he got a scholarship offer from Miami to raise his recruiting profile. A Miami spokesman, who checked with Hurricanes Coach Randy Shannon, said that the Hurricanes did not offer Tharp a scholarship or seriously recruit him.

Butler’s efforts are not even limited to the realm of college athletics. He said that he was considering having Bryce Brown skip college and play in the Canadian Football League.
...
Byers said Butler disrupted his program and got into the Brown brothers’ heads by promoting a selfish approach, which he described this way: “We’re not going to worry about what happens with the team. If we can do what we need to do and the team wins, fine, but we just need to take care of ourselves.”

The brothers skipped a football camp that Wichita East held before the 2007 season. During his junior season, Bryce Brown did not even stretch with his teammates, Byers said. Brown went with his teammates to a team camp at Pittsburg State last summer but did not participate because he was concerned about being hurt. Nonetheless, he piled up impressive statistics during the season, rushing for 1,850 yards and 31 touchdowns.

“It’s always been him and then everybody else,” Byers said. “Our team chemistry was nonexistent.”
...

CanoForPresident

02-04-09, 11:17 AM

Te'o to ND...

What the ...................

Congrats Domers... This came outta left field.

The Yankee Captain

02-04-09, 11:31 AM

Te'o to ND...

What the ...................

Congrats Domers... This came outta left field.

Thanks C4P, but I don't think it came out of left field. It's a pleasant surprise, but not out of LF. ND did a heck of a job recruiting him, he visited the campus, then his parents visited, Weis flew out to Hawaii a few times I think, some coaches flew out, they worked thier ass off on Manti. Manti seemed genuinely interested in ND.

I guess in the sense that he is Morman and Samoan coming from Hawaii going to a small town in Indiana and go to a Catholic University then yes it is out of LF.

I think becasue he visited USC this past weekend the rumors started that he was heading that way and he may have committed and then his dad agreeing to do an interview at 1PM today with the USC Rivals site or whatever led to all this incorrect speculation.

But did you guys have to get both Moore and Starling today?! Damn, would've loved to have one of those kids.

CanoForPresident

02-04-09, 11:34 AM

Thanks C4P, but I don't think it came out of left field. It's a pleasant surprise, but not out of LF. ND did a heck of a job recruiting him, he visited the campus, then his parents visited, Weis flew out to Hawaii a few times I think, some coaches flew out, they worked thier ass off on Manti. Manti seemed genuinely interested in ND.

I guess in the sense that he is Morman and Samoan coming from Hawaii going to a small town in Indiana and go to a Catholic University then yes it is out of LF.

I think becasue he visited USC this past weekend the rumors started that he was heading that way and he may have committed and then his dad agreeing to do an interview at 1PM today with the USC Rivals site or whatever led to all this incorrect speculation.

But did you guys have to get both Moore and Starling today?! Damn, would've loved to have one of those kids.

I think thats what did it. I laughed at Charlie putting all his eggs in the Te'o basket but I think Manti really appreciated that. Theres no doubt that ND recruited him harder than everyone else.

Yankees1962

02-04-09, 11:58 AM

Vontaza Burfict, a ***** MLB (ranked #1 in the country by Scout.com), has switched his commitment from USC to Arizona State.
Not a surprise, doesn't have the academic work completed to get accepted at USC.

Yanks1976

02-04-09, 11:59 AM

I think thats what did it. I laughed at Charlie putting all his eggs in the Te'o basket but I think Manti really appreciated that. Theres no doubt that ND recruited him harder than everyone else.

Damn. i went to my PM before everything else. I hate meetings.

Yanks1976

02-04-09, 12:00 PM

Thanks C4P, but I don't think it came out of left field. It's a pleasant surprise, but not out of LF. ND did a heck of a job recruiting him, he visited the campus, then his parents visited, Weis flew out to Hawaii a few times I think, some coaches flew out, they worked thier ass off on Manti. Manti seemed genuinely interested in ND.

I guess in the sense that he is Morman and Samoan coming from Hawaii going to a small town in Indiana and go to a Catholic University then yes it is out of LF.

I think becasue he visited USC this past weekend the rumors started that he was heading that way and he may have committed and then his dad agreeing to do an interview at 1PM today with the USC Rivals site or whatever led to all this incorrect speculation.

But did you guys have to get both Moore and Starling today?! Damn, would've loved to have one of those kids.

My guess is that ND provided a bit of the spritiual aspect he was looking for in addition to being a football school. I really think that means something to the kid.

Yanks1976

02-04-09, 12:10 PM

There is a rumor that Toma may be switching from UCLA to ND...

Package deal with Manti? Hmmm...

CanoForPresident

02-04-09, 12:16 PM

Not a surprise, doesn't have the academic work completed to get accepted at USC.

That isn';t just limited to USC. he doesn't have the grades to get in anywhere right now and still has a ways to go before he does.

ASU is great at getting academic risks in by the skin of their teeth (see: Ryan Bass and Brandon Magee last year), they really sold Tez on this.

CanoForPresident

02-04-09, 12:37 PM

Jarvis Jones to USC. I'm still in shock on missing out on Te'o but we've cleaned up pretty well today.

CanoForPresident

02-04-09, 01:00 PM

Ruben Randle to LSU. Shocking, I know.

The Yankee Captain

02-04-09, 02:10 PM

Thigpen letter is in with UCLA. Weis said they are still in on one more recruit, probably Toma.

CanoForPresident

02-04-09, 02:47 PM

Marlon Brown to Georgia. Thats actually sorta surprising.

Yanks1976

02-04-09, 03:19 PM

He isnt actually signing anything today, but 2010 Defensive Lineman Chris Martin verballed to ND....in only 365 days, he can make it official. After all, it isnt like these kids change their minds or anything.

http://notredame.scout.com/a.z?s=109&p=8&c=1&nid=3450156

The Yankee Captain

02-04-09, 03:24 PM

CanoForPresident

02-04-09, 03:40 PM

2010

Chris Martin from Oakland, CA verballed to ND today. He's a 5 star prospect. Along with Christian Lomabrd and Daniel Smith, ND off to a very strong start for 2010. It's going to be a very good class for them next year and could be great if they win 9 or 10 games this year. Many of the top prospects are showing early interest in ND.

Martin is one of the best players in California for 2010. I personally have him ranked 4th for the class of 2010 in CA behind Robert Woods, Dillon Baxter and Ronald Powell but he is a big time player for sure.

27IsNext

02-04-09, 04:19 PM

Trent Richardson to Alabama. 'Bama finishes No. 1 on Rivals.com for the second year in a row. First school to ever do that.

Roll Tide. :)

http://i43.tinypic.com/x0za6o.jpg

CanoForPresident

02-04-09, 04:28 PM

Trent Richardson to Alabama. 'Bama finishes No. 1 on Rivals.com for the second year in a row. First school to ever do that.

Roll Tide. :)

http://i43.tinypic.com/x0za6o.jpg

Eh, Id wait until the guys pushing back their announcements till after today announce before crowning Bama with the top class.

NDBoston

02-04-09, 06:11 PM

Notre Dame might not be done.

The Yankee Captain

02-04-09, 06:24 PM

Notre Dame might not be done.

I'm hearing Jawanza Starling isn't a done deal to USC quite yet. C4P you hear anything?

CanoForPresident

02-04-09, 06:27 PM

I'm hearing Jawanza Starling isn't a done deal to USC quite yet. C4P you hear anything?

His name wasnt on the official list handed out at the presser Carroll is holding but we've been told he isn't wavering.

Chances are his LOI may have not been cleared yet by the university. Sometimes that ................ takes a while. This recruiting year has been nuts so I got no idea what to think of this.

The Yankee Captain

02-04-09, 06:31 PM

His name wasnt on the official list handed out at the presser Carroll is holding but we've been told he isn't wavering.

Chances are his LOI may have not been cleared yet by the university. Sometimes that ................ takes a while. This recruiting year has been nuts so I got no idea what to think of this.

Thanks. Probably still a USC sign then, but you never know.

NDBoston

02-04-09, 06:31 PM

His name wasnt on the official list handed out at the presser Carroll is holding but we've been told he isn't wavering.

Chances are his LOI may have not been cleared yet by the university. Sometimes that ................ takes a while. This recruiting year has been nuts so I got no idea what to think of this.

I've never heard of a LOI being held up besides a parent refusing to sign it.

trapper700

02-05-09, 12:33 AM

UConn with our best recruiting class ever. I know it's not much compared to the other schools mentioned here, but it's a big deal for us, we are just a new program, after all. We were able to land our first ever 4* recruit in WR Dwayne Difton, as well as beat out some of the other major BCS football schools for other guys.

I'm excited to see if we can continue to improve on recruiting for the next few years and have a chance to stay competitive in the Big East year after year. I'd also like to think that Randy Edsall does a good job of finding and developing talent, as shown by the level of play he's able to get from guys who aren't heavily recruited or have the "star ratings" that more established schools get.

CanoForPresident

02-05-09, 01:11 AM

trapper700

02-05-09, 02:43 AM

When I read stuff like that, It makes me hate my fan base more than a little bit on days like today.

really, why's that?

Yanks1976

02-05-09, 07:43 AM

really, why's that?

Correct me if I am wrong CFP, but I am guessing it is because of the bitching that goes on at times without realizing how good they have it compared to other programs. I feel that way about some of our fans at times, and we haven't had near the consistency of USC recently.

CanoForPresident

02-05-09, 10:41 AM

Correct me if I am wrong CFP, but I am guessing it is because of the bitching that goes on at times without realizing how good they have it compared to other programs. I feel that way about some of our fans at times, and we haven't had near the consistency of USC recently.

You got it. The venom spewed towards Te'o after he picked ND was pretty embarrassing. Speaking of Te'o, I didn't say anything about this because I thought that my own shock may have been distorting how I saw it, but pretty much everyone I've spoken to who saw his presser said that he looked like he was about to break down when he picked ND.

This morning, former LSU Commit 5 star CB Janzen Jackson switched from LSU to Tennessee. Excellent job by Coach O.

UT finished very strong. Lane Kiffin gained back a few points he lost with me in 2006 after he called out Urban Meyer for committing a recruiting violation.

http://www.volunteertv.com/sports/headlines/39140432.html

Panamaniac42

02-05-09, 11:07 AM

Great job by Sarkisian to get the Huskies a top 30 class. :clap:

Sarcasm? :dunno:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/398805_husk05.html

Nationally, Washington's recruiting class barely registered a blip.
On ESPNU's coverage, analysts talked about two minor recruiting violations but failed to mention any Huskies signees by name.

Rivals.com (http://rivals.com/) ranked the 18-player class in a tie for 67th in the nation and ninth in the Pac-10.

Scout.com (http://scout.com/) put it at 66th and called it the worst in the conference.

Good thing first-year coach Steve Sarkisian doesn't measure his work by their standards.

CanoForPresident

02-05-09, 11:57 AM

Notre Dame might not be done.

They are with Starling. His LOI is in.

I'd like to find out the story of what happened here as well as with Te'o.

Yankees1962

02-05-09, 12:31 PM

You got it. The venom spewed towards Te'o after he picked ND was pretty embarrassing. Speaking of Te'o, I didn't say anything about this because I thought that my own shock may have been distorting how I saw it, but pretty much everyone I've spoken to who saw his presser said that he looked like he was about to break down when he picked ND.

He was definitely tearing up and had the sniffles, but I thought it had more to do with him becoming emotional about announcing his college pick and thus leaving home than the actual college choice ifself.

Yankees1962

02-05-09, 12:32 PM

They are with Starling. His LOI is in.

I'd like to find out the story of what happened here as well as with Te'o.
ND and USC recruit a lot of the same players, but ND is usually on the losing end.

The Yankee Captain

02-05-09, 04:36 PM

He was definitely tearing up and had the sniffles, but I thought it had more to do with him becoming emotional about announcing his college pick and thus leaving home than the actual college choice ifself.

That's it exactly.

USC fans think he was tearing up because he didn't pick them? That he was sad he was picking ND? We finally get a kid to choose us over them on NSD and they come up with this crap? Funny stuff.

CanoForPresident

02-05-09, 04:43 PM

That's it exactly.

USC fans think he was tearing up because he didn't pick them? That he was sad he was picking ND? We finally get a kid to choose us over them on NSD and they come up with this crap? Funny stuff.

Its not just SC fans... I decided against bringing this up yesterday because I didn't want my own biases to get into the way, but when fans of other teams drop me an instant message about how distraught Manti looked with out me initiating the conversation, I'd say that it wasn't an unfair assumption.

The Yankee Captain

02-05-09, 04:48 PM

Its not just SC fans... I decided against bringing this up yesterday because I didn't want my own biases to get into the way, but when fans of other teams drop me an instant message about how distraught Manti looked with out me initiating the conversation, I'd say that it wasn't an unfair assumption.

I mean seriously C4P do you think he was emotional and almost crying because he thinks it was the wrong decision to pick ND over USC? Seriously?

CanoForPresident

02-05-09, 04:54 PM

I mean seriously C4P do you think he was emotional and almost crying because he thinks it was the wrong decision to pick ND over USC? Seriously?

I'm saying that the whole thing was bizarre as hell. The vibe at his announcement was extremely uncomfortable.

If you heard what I heard, it really makes you wonder what exactly happened the night before signing day and why Te'o changed his mind at the last minute.

Yankees1962

02-05-09, 05:20 PM

I'm saying that the whole thing was bizarre as hell. The vibe at his announcement was extremely uncomfortable.

If you heard what I heard, it really makes you wonder what exactly happened the night before signing day and why Te'o changed his mind at the last minute.
I don't know Te'o, but if he's the type of player I think he is which is one that's high energy that feeds off his emotions, I didn't find his behavior bizarre. IMO, Te'o behaved in a way I wish more of those high school players would act instead of putting on a show like it's some kind of game with glitz and all. Furthermore, Te'o probably would've been happy going to USC too so I don't think his decision is any bad reflection on USC.

Also, looks like Starling's SOI was sent to USC.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/pac10/0-7-46/Starling-s-signature-gives-USC-18-member-class.html

CanoForPresident

02-05-09, 05:27 PM

I don't know Te'o, but if he's the type of player I think he is which is one that's high energy that feeds off his emotions, I didn't find his behavior bizarre. IMO, Te'o behaved in a way I wish more of those high school players would act instead of putting on a show like it's some kind of game with glitz and all. Furthermore, Te'o probably would've been happy going to USC too so I don't think his decision is any bad reflection on USC.

Also, looks like Starling's SOI was sent to USC.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/pac10/0-7-46/Starling-s-signature-gives-USC-18-member-class.html

Hes intense on the field but he looked depressed (IMO) when he was thanking everyone before he made his decision and even more so when he put on the ND hat. Didn't see him smile once throughout the whole thing and his body language was just off. I heard from too many different people that Te'o was 100% USC the night before signing day for it not to be true. Something must have happened between then and when he announced. I have an idea, and it was even sorta alluded to by Pete Carroll, but it really just doesn't make too much sense if you've followed Te'o's recruitment.

Yeah, Starling's LOI came in this morning. I think we can all agree that the Starling saga was bizarre.

YanksFan1992

02-05-09, 05:32 PM

Sarcasm? :dunno:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/398805_husk05.html

It actually wasn't. I haven't been following recruiting at all, and someone sent me a link yesterday that showed the Huskies as having the 29th best class (apparently it turned out to be from a few years ago).

My mistake. :o

CanoForPresident

02-05-09, 05:34 PM

It actually wasn't. I haven't been following recruiting at all, and someone sent me a link yesterday that showed the Huskies as having the 29th best class (apparently it turned out to be from a few years ago).

My mistake. :o

Huskies have a top 10 class in the Pac-10!

YanksFan1992

02-05-09, 05:36 PM

Huskies have a top 10 class in the Pac-10!

Well at least it wasn't last in the country! We finally beat someone!

Soriambi

02-05-09, 05:39 PM

Hes intense on the field but he looked depressed (IMO) when he was thanking everyone before he made his decision and even more so when he put on the ND hat. Didn't see him smile once throughout the whole thing and his body language was just off. I heard from too many different people that Te'o was 100% USC the night before signing day for it not to be true. Something must have happened between then and when he announced. I have an idea, and it was even sorta alluded to by Pete Carroll, but it really just doesn't make too much sense if you've followed Te'o's recruitment.

Yeah, Starling's LOI came in this morning. I think we can all agree that the Starling saga was bizarre.

What's your idea?

Wasn't this whole "his body language indicated that he didn't want to play for ND thing" brought up last year with Michael Floyd, too? Maybe he was just exhausted by the whole process and was relieved to have the whole thing out of the way. I don't see why a player who thinks that playing for Notre Dame (or whatever other team) is the wrong choice before he signs with Notre Dame would sign with Notre Dame.

CanoForPresident

02-05-09, 05:48 PM

What's your idea?

Wasn't this whole "his body language indicated that he didn't want to play for ND thing" brought up last year with Michael Floyd, too? Maybe he was just exhausted by the whole process and was relieved to have the whole thing out of the way. I don't see why a player who thinks that playing for Notre Dame (or whatever other team) is the wrong choice before he signs with Notre Dame would sign with Notre Dame.

You're talking about Deion Walker, not Michael Floyd. Walker was actually seen smiling for photos afterwards, I have yet to see one of Manti.

My idea? His pops got involved at the last minute. Makes little to no sense since Brian Te'o has stayed out of the entire process the whole time but its no secret that his preference for Manti was at Notre Dame. I see no other reason for Manti to filp so late in the game.

Yankees1962

02-05-09, 05:58 PM

Yanks1976

02-05-09, 06:15 PM

You're talking about Deion Walker, not Michael Floyd. Walker was actually seen smiling for photos afterwards, I have yet to see one of Manti.

My idea? His pops got involved at the last minute. Makes little to no sense since Brian Te'o has stayed out of the entire process the whole time but its no secret that his preference for Manti was at Notre Dame. I see no other reason for Manti to filp so late in the game.

Unless there was no flip involved. The kid has said multiple times he didn't decide until 5am and he has also said he wasn't telling people outside his family what he was thinking.

And here is a picture of him smiling at the ceremony.

http://hawaiipreps.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090205/SPORTS03/902050355/1032&template=PrepSports

Yankees1962

02-05-09, 06:20 PM

CanoForPresident

02-05-09, 06:39 PM

Unless there was no flip involved. The kid has said multiple times he didn't decide until 5am and he has also said he wasn't telling people outside his family what he was thinking.

And here is a picture of him smiling at the ceremony.

http://hawaiipreps.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090205/SPORTS03/902050355/1032&template=PrepSports

Theres one.

Kinda weird that other players in this years class were saying differently. Even ones who aren't committed to USC. Justin Chaisson (DE committed to Oklahoma) and Xavier Sua Filo both said that Manti told them he was going to USC when they were questioned about him going to ND. Randall Carroll said that Manti was trying to convince Randall to stay at SC. Also, if Manti was really "undecided" dont you think SC would have made a harder push for him at the end? Ken Norton Jr left the War Room at around 9 PM, he would have stayed and made a call or two if he was truely in play.

All signs point to Te'o changing his mind just hours before announcing. I doubt we'll ever get the story of what really happened since we never do.

Yankees1962

02-05-09, 06:46 PM

Theres one.

Kinda weird that other players in this years class were saying differently. Even ones who aren't committed to USC. Justin Chaisson (DE committed to Oklahoma) and Xavier Sua Filo both said that Manti told them he was going to USC when they were questioned about him going to ND. Randall Carroll said that Manti was trying to convince Randall to stay at SC. Also, if Manti was really "undecided" dont you think SC would have made a harder push for him at the end? Ken Norton Jr left the War Room at around 9 PM, he would have stayed and made a call or two if he was truely in play.

All signs point to Te'o changing his mind just hours before announcing. I doubt we'll ever get the story of what really happened since we never do.
Did you read the article? USC tried their best to change his mind just prior to his announcment. Are you a USC fan? If so then I can understand your line of reasoning.

Soriambi

02-05-09, 06:58 PM

CanoForPresident

02-05-09, 07:15 PM

Did you read the article? USC tried their best to change his mind just prior to his announcment. Are you a USC fan? If so then I can understand your line of reasoning.

Class of '08. Feels like its been much longer since I graduated :lol:

And yes I read the article, but you misunderstood me, or perhaps I wasn't clear enough. If Te'o was truly in play the night before he made his announcement, you can bet our coaches would have been on him then instead of making a play just before his announcement. Why would Pete Carroll allow KNJ, who was Te'o's primary recruiter home early the day before signing day if he didn't feel good about getting his signature?

Yankees1962

02-06-09, 04:56 AM

Class of '08. Feels like its been much longer since I graduated :lol:

And yes I read the article, but you misunderstood me, or perhaps I wasn't clear enough. If Te'o was truly in play the night before he made his announcement, you can bet our coaches would have been on him then instead of making a play just before his announcement. Why would Pete Carroll allow KNJ, who was Te'o's primary recruiter home early the day before signing day if he didn't feel good about getting his signature?
Because Carroll is human and might have just miscalculated like anybody else. These young men can be fickle in this decision-making process and suddenly change their minds just look at Moore, Jenkins and Starling.

NDBoston

02-06-09, 06:46 AM

Because Carroll is human and might have just miscalculated like anybody else. These young men can be fickle in this decision-making process and suddenly change their minds just look at Moore, Jenkins and Starling.

Exactly.

Cano is drinking the kool-aid over at the USC recruiting boards that the mods are putting out.

This isn't a conspiracy. I've been paying attention to this idiocy for 15 years. Kids change their minds every year.

BronxBaumer

02-06-09, 07:58 AM

Good job Michigan. Maybe we can get back to a bowl game next year!

The Yankee Captain

02-06-09, 08:33 AM

Official Roby Toma to ND.

The Yankee Captain

02-06-09, 09:28 AM

Exactly.

Cano is drinking the kool-aid over at the USC recruiting boards that the mods are putting out.

This isn't a conspiracy. I've been paying attention to this idiocy for 15 years. Kids change their minds every year.

USC has owned us on the field and in recruiting for 7 straight years and ND gets one huge prospect that both wanted on NSD and USC fans pull this crap. Go figure.

CanoForPresident

02-06-09, 11:11 AM

Exactly.

Cano is drinking the kool-aid over at the USC recruiting boards that the mods are putting out.

This isn't a conspiracy. I've been paying attention to this idiocy for 15 years. Kids change their minds every year.

Funny that NONE of what I've been hearing has been from a mod.

More of the situation is starting to come out now and all i have to say is...
You guys better start sending thank you cards to Brian Te'o.

NDBoston

02-06-09, 12:26 PM

Funny that NONE of what I've been hearing has been from a mod.

More of the situation is starting to come out now and all i have to say is...
You guys better start sending thank you cards to Brian Te'o.

Let me guess....the father wouldn't let his son go to USC.

I love that excuse in recruiting. That's Blame 101.

CanoForPresident

02-06-09, 12:36 PM

Let me guess....the father wouldn't let his son go to USC.

I love that excuse in recruiting. That's Blame 101.

I know you do, you guys use it all the time.

If you've followed his recruitment for the better part of 2 years like I have (I bet you didn't know who he was 8 months ago) you'd see how everything doesn't quite add up here.

With that said, I hope Manti does well at ND and that Chuckles doesn't waste his talent like hes done with other guys who have chosen to go there.

tdel23

02-06-09, 01:21 PM

any Hurricane fans? how did they do??

CanoForPresident

02-06-09, 01:25 PM

any Hurricane fans? how did they do??

Not a canes fan, but the quality of their class hinges on what Bryce Brown decides to do.

Brown will take visits to Tennessee and USC once he gets back from his vacation.

keg411

02-06-09, 02:11 PM

Not a canes fan, but the quality of their class hinges on what Bryce Brown decides to do.

Brown will take visits to Tennessee and USC once he gets back from his vacation.

Every since getting Fios a few weeks ago, my dad is now officially obsessed with ESPNU and said that Brown was pretty much "in" at Miami. But that's only one media report and there are probably places with better sources. Still, I don't think Shannon's going to let this kid go no matter what Kiffin and Carroll try to pull off.

CanoForPresident

02-06-09, 02:15 PM

Every since getting Fios a few weeks ago, my dad is now officially obsessed with ESPNU and said that Brown was pretty much "in" at Miami. But that's only one media report and there are probably places with better sources. Still, I don't think Shannon's going to let this kid go no matter what Kiffin and Carroll try to pull off.

I don't think its up to Shannon. Brown is this year Terrell Pryor. Hes got an "adviser" who is shady as hell, one of the reasons I hope that USC cools on him a bit. FWIW, Oregon is Miami's biggest challenger for his signature though that may change when Brown visits UT, Kiffin and Co. have been cleaning up.

NDBoston

02-06-09, 03:15 PM

I know you do, you guys use it all the time.

If you've followed his recruitment for the better part of 2 years like I have (I bet you didn't know who he was 8 months ago) you'd see how everything doesn't quite add up here.

With that said, I hope Manti does well at ND and that Chuckles doesn't waste his talent like hes done with other guys who have chosen to go there.

He was the #1 defensive recruit in the nation. He was on the radar of any fan interested in college football recruiting. Stop acting like you are in the "know". You're not.

I've been following college football recruiting since 1995 with Mike Frank who is at Irish Eyes now. There's nothing I haven't seen or heard that would surprise me. Every fanbase has people blaming the parents, girlfriends or alumni. I have enough respect for USC not to point fingers and blame family members when it comes down to a 17 year old kid making a life time decision.

It's not like he's going to a conference that's notorious for paying players under the table (SEC). He picked between two quality institutions.

CanoForPresident

02-06-09, 04:15 PM

He was the #1 defensive recruit in the nation. He was on the radar of any fan interested in college football recruiting. Stop acting like you are in the "know". You're not.

I've been following college football recruiting since 1995 with Mike Frank who is at Irish Eyes now. There's nothing I haven't seen or heard that would surprise me. Every fanbase has people blaming the parents, girlfriends or alumni. I have enough respect for USC not to point fingers and blame family members when it comes down to a 17 year old kid making a life time decision.

It's not like he's going to a conference that's notorious for paying players under the table (SEC). He picked between two quality institutions.

I'm not acting like I'm in the know, though I have spoken with people who I do consider to be "insiders" and they're all saying the same thing - their track records are undeniable. Its extremely hard for me to believe that all of them are wrong.

And I dare you to find me anyone other than ESPN, who ranks their players according to whether or not they play in the Under Armor game (Rivals is guilty of this too with the AAA game, but not as much), who thinks that Te'o is the best defensive recruit in the nation. Hes a great player for sure, but as far as defensive players go, Devon Kennard stands on his own.

NDBoston

02-06-09, 04:26 PM

I'm not acting like I'm in the know, though I have spoken with people who I do consider to be "insiders" and they're all saying the same thing - their track records are undeniable. Its extremely hard for me to believe that all of them are wrong.

And I dare you to find me anyone other than ESPN, who ranks their players according to whether or not they play in the Under Armor game (Rivals is guilty of this too with the AAA game, but not as much), who thinks that Te'o is the best defensive recruit in the nation. Hes a great player for sure, but as far as defensive players go, Devon Kennard stands on his own.

Where is Kennard the #1 defensive recruit? Not Scout or Rivals.

Te'o is tied for #1 on Scout too.

CanoForPresident

02-06-09, 04:35 PM

Where is Kennard the #1 defensive recruit? Not Scout or Rivals.

Te'o is tied for #1 on Scout too.

Kennard was ranked as high as #2 overall player in the nation before he blew out his knee in October. The fact that hes still ranked as high as he is despite that should tell you all you need to know.

and scout has Jacobbi McDaniel ranked as the #1 Defensive player in the nation which IMO, says a lot about scout's rankings.

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=4&pid=88&yr=2009

NDBoston

02-06-09, 06:02 PM

Kennard was ranked as high as #2 overall player in the nation before he blew out his knee in October. The fact that hes still ranked as high as he is despite that should tell you all you need to know.

and scout has Jacobbi McDaniel ranked as the #1 Defensive player in the nation which IMO, says a lot about scout's rankings.

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=4&pid=88&yr=2009

In other words, he's not the top defensive recruit in the nation.

Thanks.

CanoForPresident

02-06-09, 06:11 PM

In other words, he's not the top defensive recruit in the nation.

Thanks.

Who McDaniels? no he isnt.

Neither is Te'o.

Glad to help!

BTW -These guys have subscriptions to sell which makes it tough to justify leaving a player who barely played his senior season at #2, no matter how good he is, though they kept Jimmy "I can't throw anything other than a check down or a fade route" Clausen at #1 for an entire year. Safe to say they learned from their mistakes.

NDBoston

02-07-09, 12:02 PM

Who McDaniels? no he isnt.

Neither is Te'o.

Glad to help!

BTW -These guys have subscriptions to sell which makes it tough to justify leaving a player who barely played his senior season at #2, no matter how good he is, though they kept Jimmy "I can't throw anything other than a check down or a fade route" Clausen at #1 for an entire year. Safe to say they learned from their mistakes.

Clausen dropped dramatically after he got hurt his senior season. He wasn't #1 come signing day.

Kennard got hurt. He's not the top defensive recruit and Teo's the #1 at ESPN and tied for #1 at Scout.com.

You like Kennard better because he's a USC recruit.

Clausen throws a great long ball. The problems revolve around the offensive line for Notre Dame.

CanoForPresident

02-07-09, 12:48 PM

Clausen dropped dramatically after he got hurt his senior season. He wasn't #1 come signing day.

Kennard got hurt. He's not the top defensive recruit and Teo's the #1 at ESPN and tied for #1 at Scout.com.

You like Kennard better because he's a USC recruit.

Clausen throws a great long ball. The problems revolve around the offensive line for Notre Dame.

He stayed #1 on Rivals the whole year. Word about his injury came out after signing day. If i remember correctly it was first reported during spring ball (He enrolled early right?), which is well after rivals does their final evaluations in the middle of January (a little over a week after Clausen played in the AAA game.)

btw- Jimmy stayed #1 on scout too http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=4&yr=2007

I like Kennard better because he is better. Has nothing to do with him being a USC recruit. You'll find out how good he is soon enough.

Clausen's deep ball = lob it up and hope that Floyd can come down with it. Michael Floyd is a fantastic player who made Mr. 4 heismans look alot better than he actually is.

Yankees1962

02-07-09, 01:36 PM

A little hostility between ND and USC fans. Luckily, I'm a big fan of both football programs which might seem strange, but it goes back to my youth when I rooted for ND due to the Lindsey Nelson replays on WPIX and USC with their great running backs. When they play each other every year, I root for the team that has the best chance to win a National Championship.