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THEBOSS84
08-12-08, 06:32 PM
Well 6 months ago I think that was what more than a few were hoping for.
Ahhh the Royal Flush. Were you around for that madness?
CC will be a Yankee - at any cost. You heard it from THEBOSS.
Yankee Tripper
08-12-08, 06:41 PM
Ahhh the Royal Flush. Were you around for that madness?
CC will be a Yankee - at any cost. You heard it from THEBOSS.
Yes and even had hopes myself for the dream home grown rotation at times in heady days of January when games were played on paper and potential wasn't exposed to the harsh reality of MLB hitters; but I think I've since said my prefered rotation for 2009 is -
CC
Sheets
Wang
Joba
Hughes - depending on how he pitches the rest of this year
SoCal Pinstriper
08-12-08, 06:44 PM
I'm think we go something like:
Wang
Hughes
Joba
Kennedy
Horne
Whose with me?As we waste another peak year of Alex on not-ready-for-prime-time players? Sure, what's another 180 million or so.
Yankee Tripper
08-12-08, 06:50 PM
As we waste another peak year of Alex on not-ready-for-prime-time players? Sure, what's another 180 million or so.I guess I should have made my sarcasm more obvious. I'll try harder next time.;)
SoCal Pinstriper
08-12-08, 06:52 PM
I guess I should have made my sarcasm more obvious. I'll try harder next time.;)No problem. I'm used to reading very similar posts from members who are serious. :)
1 of Sabathia or Sheets will be signed. Wang, Joba, and Hughes will all be in the rotation. Moose could be brought back (highly likely). Its not out of the question that Two starters are brought in, but I highly HIGHLY doubt this occurs unless Moose walks and one of Hughes/Kennedy really really struggles/gets injured again/is traded.
ArodMVP217
08-12-08, 07:41 PM
Hank is the man
Art Vanderlay
08-12-08, 07:50 PM
I'm think we go something like:
Wang
Hughes
Joba
Kennedy
Horne
Whose with me?
No Chance, Cashman will not repeat the mistakes he made this year. You can expect to see Pettete and/or Mussina resigned plus a veteran starter added.
Regarding Alan Horne, there is a much greater chance that he will be pitching in an idependent league next year than being an integral part of the Yankee rotation.
Hank: "We will sign a veteran pitcher if we have to". I wonder who he was referring to ??? Maybe that big guy pitching for the Brewers.
Brick Tamland
08-13-08, 08:09 AM
Yes and even had hopes myself for the dream home grown rotation at times in heady days of January when games were played on paper and potential wasn't exposed to the harsh reality of MLB hitters; but I think I've since said my prefered rotation for 2009 is -
CC
Sheets
Wang
Joba
Hughes - depending on how he pitches the rest of this year
Can't rely on Hughes being ready for primetime.
CC
Sheets
Moose
Wang
Joba/Pettitte
Can't rely on Hughes being ready for primetime.
CC
Sheets
Moose
Wang
Joba/Pettitte
If we get CC that gives us a top 3 of
CC
Joba
Wang
This is with assuming Wang is fully healthy and recovered from his injury with no rust. With that top 3 we also can bring back one of either Moose or Andy, Id go with Andy because he is a little bit younger and left handed. All we need than is for Hughes to be a 5th starter which I think he can handle and if not there is always someone in the minors who can hold it down for a time. I dont think we will get both CC and Sheets though.
THEBOSS84
08-13-08, 08:36 AM
If we get CC that gives us a top 3 of
CC
Joba
Wang
This is with assuming Wang is fully healthy and recovered from his injury with no rust. With that top 3 we also can bring back one of either Moose or Andy, Id go with Andy because he is a little bit younger and left handed. All we need than is for Hughes to be a 5th starter which I think he can handle and if not there is always someone in the minors who can hold it down for a time. I dont think we will get both CC and Sheets though.
That's one powerful top 3.
primetime714
08-13-08, 09:10 AM
If we get CC that gives us a top 3 of
CC
Joba
Wang
This is with assuming Wang is fully healthy and recovered from his injury with no rust. With that top 3 we also can bring back one of either Moose or Andy, Id go with Andy because he is a little bit younger and left handed. All we need than is for Hughes to be a 5th starter which I think he can handle and if not there is always someone in the minors who can hold it down for a time. I dont think we will get both CC and Sheets though.
I still don't get why almost everyone thinks we can only bring back Moose or Andy and not both of them. Yes, I know that would give us 6 starters, but given the fact that we've had to use 10+ starters every year for the past 3 or so years, I would think going into the season with 6 guys slotted for the rotation would put us in good shape. Especially since one of those 6 is a guy with limited ML experience who has been injured for the better part of the last two years and will likely have a pretty low innings cap given that he has barely pitched the past two years. I love Hughes' potential and think he should become a fixture in this rotation for years to come, but if we don't have to rely on him this year I see no problem taking some pressure off of him by bringing back two proven veterans for 1 more go around. Also Joba will likely be on an innings limit again especially if he is shut down for the rest of this year. Plus both Hughes and Joba will be handled with kid gloves, so even the smallest of injuries could have them held out for longer than the typical player. Add in the chance for another freak injury like Wang's and having that extra starter is not going to hurt.
Plus Moose and Pettitte on 1-year deals, how can you say no to that? Its a short term investment in quality pitching and will leave us with a lot of financial flexibility after the 2009 season.
If all 6 starters are healthy would it really hurt to put Hughes in the bullpen or have him go to AAA and work on his changeup? We'll certainly need a 6th starter at some point during the year, so he'd obviously get a shot, but I think it would only benefit him to take as much pressure as we can off of him and just let him do what he needs to do to develop into the pitcher we all hope he can be.
Art Vanderlay
08-13-08, 09:13 AM
I still don't get why almost everyone thinks we can only bring back Moose or Andy and not both of them. Yes, I know that would give us 6 starters, but given the fact that we've had to use 10+ starters every year for the past 3 or so years, I would think going into the season with 6 guys slotted for the rotation would put us in good shape. Especially since one of those 6 is a guy with limited ML experience who has been injured for the better part of the last two years and will likely have a pretty low innings cap given that he has barely pitched the past two years. I love Hughes' potential and think he should become a fixture in this rotation for years to come, but if we don't have to rely on him this year I see no problem taking some pressure off of him by bringing back two proven veterans for 1 more go around. Also Joba will likely be on an innings limit again especially if he is shut down for the rest of this year. Plus both Hughes and Joba will be handled with kid gloves, so even the smallest of injuries could have them held out for longer than the typical player. Add in the chance for another freak injury like Wang's and having that extra starter is not going to hurt.
Plus Moose and Pettitte on 1-year deals, how can you say no to that? Its a short term investment in quality pitching and will leave us with a lot of financial flexibility after the 2009 season.
If all 6 starters are healthy would it really hurt to put Hughes in the bullpen or have him go to AAA and work on his changeup? We'll certainly need a 6th starter at some point during the year, so he'd obviously get a shot, but I think it would only benefit him to take as much pressure as we can off of him and just let him do what he needs to do to develop into the pitcher we all hope he can be.
Not everyone. I agree with you 100%.
I still don't get why almost everyone thinks we can only bring back Moose or Andy and not both of them. Yes, I know that would give us 6 starters, but given the fact that we've had to use 10+ starters every year for the past 3 or so years, I would think going into the season with 6 guys slotted for the rotation would put us in good shape. Especially since one of those 6 is a guy with limited ML experience who has been injured for the better part of the last two years and will likely have a pretty low innings cap given that he has barely pitched the past two years. I love Hughes' potential and think he should become a fixture in this rotation for years to come, but if we don't have to rely on him this year I see no problem taking some pressure off of him by bringing back two proven veterans for 1 more go around. Also Joba will likely be on an innings limit again especially if he is shut down for the rest of this year. Plus both Hughes and Joba will be handled with kid gloves, so even the smallest of injuries could have them held out for longer than the typical player. Add in the chance for another freak injury like Wang's and having that extra starter is not going to hurt.
Plus Moose and Pettitte on 1-year deals, how can you say no to that? Its a short term investment in quality pitching and will leave us with a lot of financial flexibility after the 2009 season.
If all 6 starters are healthy would it really hurt to put Hughes in the bullpen or have him go to AAA and work on his changeup? We'll certainly need a 6th starter at some point during the year, so he'd obviously get a shot, but I think it would only benefit him to take as much pressure as we can off of him and just let him do what he needs to do to develop into the pitcher we all hope he can be.
It will be interesting to see what kind of demands as far as years go Moose will want. He may want a multi year deal so that he can get 300 wins with the yanks. I cant blame him for asking the yanks for that they signed A-Rod through age 43 (same age Moose would be at the end of a 3 year deal) for a similar reason in reaching milestons. Although A-Rods will be much greater overall. If Moose wants a multi year deal I dont want to go for it. Andy on the other hand we are going year to year with and would accept a 1 year deal.
Yankee Fan in Boston
08-13-08, 11:05 AM
It will be interesting to see what kind of demands as far as years go Moose will want. He may want a multi year deal so that he can get 300 wins with the yanks. I cant blame him for asking the yanks for that they signed A-Rod through age 43 (same age Moose would be at the end of a 3 year deal) for a similar reason in reaching milestons. Although A-Rods will be much greater overall. If Moose wants a multi year deal I dont want to go for it. Andy on the other hand we are going year to year with and would accept a 1 year deal.
Agree. I think it Moose may well want a two-year deal given his performance this year -- I think he'll want to know he has the security to take a shot at 300 wins, and he will probably get it somewhere if he finishes strong.
Sixty one
08-13-08, 11:19 AM
Who besides Sabathia or Sheets would the Yanks go after in the off season free agent market? What a job the GM is going to have!!
primetime714
08-13-08, 11:41 AM
It will be interesting to see what kind of demands as far as years go Moose will want. He may want a multi year deal so that he can get 300 wins with the yanks. I cant blame him for asking the yanks for that they signed A-Rod through age 43 (same age Moose would be at the end of a 3 year deal) for a similar reason in reaching milestons. Although A-Rods will be much greater overall. If Moose wants a multi year deal I dont want to go for it. Andy on the other hand we are going year to year with and would accept a 1 year deal.
Totally agree and that would be the one reason to let Moose go. Anything more than 1 year would be a mistake for either him or Pettitte. With Pettitte I can't imagine him wanting to play more than 1 more year though. With Moose while I do agree that he'll want a 2 year deal especially with the way he has peformed, I'm not sure if he is willing to go elsewhere to get it. Given his geographic restrictions and the desire to play for a winning team (so he can get more wins) that would limit his options to the Yankees, Mets, Phillies, and Red Sox. The Red Sox wouldn't sign him to a 2-year deal. The Mets or Phillies I could seeing going to 2-years, but would either want to give up their first round pick to do it? Personally though I think Moose may just accept arbitration or a 1-year deal from the Yankees. I have a feeling he doesn't want to play anywhere else. Maybe I'm wrong and if so well I'll be alright with getting those picks and finding rotation depth elsewhere.
primetime714
08-13-08, 11:44 AM
Who besides Sabathia or Sheets would the Yanks go after in the off season free agent market? What a job the GM is going to have!!
Probably Teixeira. If they can't get him its possible they shift their attention to Adam Dunn who could be a perrenial 50 HR hitter in Yankee Stadium, but is very limited defensively.
JavyVazquezIsSick
08-13-08, 11:44 AM
I could see a team going 3 years for Moose.
Brick Tamland
08-13-08, 11:46 AM
Totally agree and that would be the one reason to let Moose go. Anything more than 1 year would be a mistake for either him or Pettitte. With Pettitte I can't imagine him wanting to play more than 1 more year though. With Moose while I do agree that he'll want a 2 year deal especially with the way he has peformed, I'm not sure if he is willing to go elsewhere to get it. Given his geographic restrictions and the desire to play for a winning team (so he can get more wins) that would limit his options to the Yankees, Mets, Phillies, and Red Sox. The Red Sox wouldn't sign him to a 2-year deal. The Mets or Phillies I could seeing going to 2-years, but would either want to give up their first round pick to do it? Personally though I think Moose may just accept arbitration or a 1-year deal from the Yankees. I have a feeling he doesn't want to play anywhere else. Maybe I'm wrong and if so well I'll be alright with getting those picks and finding rotation depth elsewhere.
I would give him that 2 year contract for reasonable money.
THEBOSS84
08-13-08, 11:46 AM
I could see a team going 3 years for Moose.
As your boy Michael Kay would say - See ya!
Tehasguard
08-13-08, 11:52 AM
IMO, signing Sheets isn't happening...
I like his stuff, but it's more likely that the Yankees sign CC
Although the price tag will be higher obviously
CC
Wang
Joba
Hughes
This is all we need to be competitive...
primetime714
08-13-08, 11:52 AM
I could see a team going 3 years for Moose.
Really? I look at Moose as being in a similar situation as Schilling was before this year. Granted Schilling didn't have nearly the year Moose is having now, but he had another solid year for the Red Sox at the age of 40 and ended up signing a 1 year deal with them. I think its certainly possible that Moose will get some 2 year offers, but I can't imagine someone going to 3 years at his age.
Mr.Muhozi
08-13-08, 11:53 AM
having wang joba cc hughes and ? is all fine and dandy, but our biggest problem this year has been injuries to our pitching staff, we need good back ups to take over whilst our main 5 is either hurting or injured in addition to that, hughes is more than likely going to be on an inning limit for the season
continentalg5
08-13-08, 11:54 AM
Cano for Halladay.
Who's with me? :)
knickfan23
08-13-08, 11:54 AM
If we get CC that gives us a top 3 of
CC
Joba
Wang
This is with assuming Wang is fully healthy and recovered from his injury with no rust. With that top 3 we also can bring back one of either Moose or Andy, Id go with Andy because he is a little bit younger and left handed. All we need than is for Hughes to be a 5th starter which I think he can handle and if not there is always someone in the minors who can hold it down for a time. I dont think we will get both CC and Sheets though.
I would treat Hughes the same way the Red Sox are treating Buchholz this year. Do not expect anything from him next season. You figure that with injuries that will eventually happen to the rotation along with spot starts, their figures to be about 12-18 starts he could get. I do not want him to be in a spot where the Yanks are dependent on himin any way. If he overperforms, that's great. If not, the world doesnt end.
He can build up his innings in the minors as well as in the majors. The 150 IP limit is probably going to be in effect again, so you can allow him, in a less pressurized situation to develop and build stamina and he can still help your ballclub if need be.
Mr.Muhozi
08-13-08, 11:56 AM
Cano for Halladay.
Who's with me? :)
if we could get a suitable replacement for cano i.e someone with good D and can hit, sign me up, but good 2nd basemen are hard to find
Tehasguard
08-13-08, 11:56 AM
Cano for Halladay.
Who's with me? :)
I am...
JavyVazquezIsSick
08-13-08, 12:05 PM
Really? I look at Moose as being in a similar situation as Schilling was before this year. Granted Schilling didn't have nearly the year Moose is having now, but he had another solid year for the Red Sox at the age of 40 and ended up signing a 1 year deal with them. I think its certainly possible that Moose will get some 2 year offers, but I can't imagine someone going to 3 years at his age.
What other pitchers are out there besides CC and Sheets? I think Mussina is a pitcher that some would consider to be able to "age" better than Schilling, being that he has become a finesse pitcher. If you look at his last 3 years (ages 37, 38, 39), he has been a pretty damn good pitcher. So yeah, I definitely wouldn't be surprised to see a team sign Mussina, who pitches in the toughest division in baseball, to a 3 year deal.
justtxyank
08-13-08, 12:54 PM
Schilling also had health issues.
joshuaeagan
08-13-08, 01:13 PM
Cano for Halladay.
Who's with me? :)
I like it - lets get that done. Not much in the way of a 2B on the FA Market.
But with a rotation of:
CC
Halladay
Wang
Joba
Hughes
We might be able to get by with a guy like Orlando Hudson or Mark Ellis at 2B. ;)
montrealer
08-13-08, 02:56 PM
As your boy Michael Kay would say - See ya!
I must concur..........As much as I appreciate what he`s done you can`t invest more than a year......two.......??????? Oiy .......tough call....
TheGameEpisode2
08-13-08, 03:43 PM
Sabathia
Wang
Joba
Mussina
Pettitte/Kennedy/Hughes
I'm not sure whether to bring Pettitte back. He was great his last start, but I'm not sure. I'd bring Moose back, but that's part because I'm biased towards him, and nobody can doubt how good of a year he's having, and how it doesn't look like he's slowing down.
Cano for Halladay.
Who's with me? :)
Certainly nobody in the Jays organization.
yankeebot
08-13-08, 06:29 PM
He has apparently said he wants to pitch on the west coast but looking at west coast teams I dont see anyone there who can make an offer comparable to what the yanks could give him. The Angels dont really need him and they will probably make Tex their number 1 priority. The Dodgers might be a factor but other than that I dont see any other west coast team making a serious run at him. I've read that here a number of times but does anyone have a link to him actually saying this or is this just media speculation or a rumor that has taken on a life of it's own?
Sixty one
08-14-08, 10:50 AM
Cano for Halladay.
Who's with me? :)
Not me! I wouldn't give up on Cano. Don't forget he is still in his early 20's, and I have a feeling that he will be a different player next year. Also, I would think it is possible that his buddy Melky will be history next year and that will force Robinson to grow up and take advantage of his natural ability.
Ynkcpt23
08-14-08, 11:15 AM
I've read that here a number of times but does anyone have a link to him actually saying this or is this just media speculation or a rumor that has taken on a life of it's own?
It IS speculation, but it's coming from "inside sources" so take that for what it is, I guess. I've heard it enough from reasonable baseball writers that I take it relatively seriously. (i.e. not some loud mouth filling up air time on talk radio) I haven't written it off especially since Hank has already announced it pretty clearly (not too much subtlety in him) that they're going after the guys that they want and the checkbook will be open...
IMO, signing Sheets isn't happening...
I like his stuff, but it's more likely that the Yankees sign CC
Although the price tag will be higher obviously
CC
Wang
Joba
Hughes
This is all we need to be competitive...
Obviously you would have us fill in the blank with any 5th starter here. Going into this season with 3/5 rookie starters was not a good idea... so you counter that with 2 pitchers (especially if Joba doesn't come back this year) that will have inning limits next year. I hope the front office puts a bit more thought into the pitching staff for next year. :)
Yankees1962
08-14-08, 05:58 PM
Obviously you would have us fill in the blank with any 5th starter here. Going into this season with 3/5 rookie starters was not a good idea... so you counter that with 2 pitchers (especially if Joba doesn't come back this year) that will have inning limits next year. I hope the front office puts a bit more thought into the pitching staff for next year. :)
I'm with you. I don't think Cashman is going to make the same mistake next season with having two starting pitching slots filled with pitchers on innings limit and injury concerns. Depending on how negotiations go in the offseason regarding free agent pitchers, I can see the Yankees having Joba or Hughes in the 5th slot with the other four slots taken by veteran pitchers. A lot is going to depend on whether Pettitte takes another one year contract and/or Mussina doing something similar like his current expiring contract as far as it being two years in length. It's going to be interesting to see what happens in September regarding Joba and Hughes. What happens then will have some impact on Cashman's thought process for next season.
I don't think the Yankees will sign both, CC and Sheets. It will be one or the other if they're lucky as competition for both pitchers will be heavy.
Young Steinbrenner
08-23-08, 07:15 AM
LHP Sabathia
RHP Wang
LHP Pettitte
RHP Mussina
RHP Joba
RHP Hughes
yeah it's six guys but some one will get hurt.
dont_ya_know24
08-23-08, 11:00 AM
LHP Sabathia
RHP Wang
LHP Pettitte
RHP Mussina
RHP Joba
RHP Hughes
yeah it's six guys but some one will get hurt.
this is what i think they'll do in the end. someone will get hurt, and we will be left with the same situation we have now: ponson, rasner, pavano= LMAO
and sheets isn't happening, unless sabathia goes elsewhere.
CC
Sheets
Wang
Joba
Pettitte
Damon(MVP)
08-23-08, 11:59 AM
CC Sabithia
Joba Chamberlain
Chien Ming Wang
Oliver Perez
Mike Mussina
Bullpen setup
Brian Fuentes
Jose Veras
Edwar Ramirez
Dan Giese
Kerry Wood
HughesIsNasty
08-23-08, 12:08 PM
Wood and Fuentes? lol nah not a need.
Damon(MVP)
08-23-08, 12:37 PM
Wood and Fuentes? lol nah not a need.
Ya your probably right especially after we sign CC, Tex and trade for Matt Halladay.:P
Bostonsfavson
08-23-08, 01:02 PM
So it seems like the main reason that people are against signing CC is because of his weight. What's the justification for this? Wells and Clemens were two bigger guys, and they seemed to do alright. Has there ever been a pitcher who was too fat to be effective? So long as CC's legs hold up, then his weight really shouldn't be an issue. I want to see him pitch, not pose in a bikini. It seems like an acceptable risk for me. Make it happen Cash.
nnysiny
08-23-08, 02:31 PM
So it seems like the main reason that people are against signing CC is because of his weight. What's the justification for this? Wells and Clemens were two bigger guys, and they seemed to do alright. Has there ever been a pitcher who was too fat to be effective? So long as CC's legs hold up, then his weight really shouldn't be an issue. I want to see him pitch, not pose in a bikini. It seems like an acceptable risk for me. Make it happen Cash.
this is something that a lot of people seem to overlook. Wells was in his prime until age 37, which is 3-4 years after CC's next contract will be up
aeromac76
08-23-08, 03:02 PM
I get CC, all in..
That gives you Wang, Sabathia, Joba as the top 3 (in no order per se).
I would still give Hughes the first crack at the 5 slot..
So we need one more..
Pettitte, Moose, O Perez, Burnett? One of them..
You could break the bank for Sheets I guess but I'd like Tex, and maybe even Manny as well, and I think we are pretty good with pitching..
I would bring back Sid Ponson as the 6 starter, he has acquitted himself wqell enough to warrant that I believe..
Damon(MVP)
08-23-08, 04:42 PM
Pavano
Kennedy
Hughes
Ponson
Rasner
:D
nyyfanatic85
08-23-08, 10:04 PM
Realistically, I think we'll see CC, Joba, Wang, Mussina, and Pavano. And I'd be fine with that. Keep Ponson around just in case.
Yankees47
08-23-08, 10:05 PM
Realistically, I think we'll see CC, Joba, Wang, Mussina, and Pavano. And I'd be fine with that. Keep Ponson around just in case.
Pavano?? I dont think so...The guy had a nice start but lets not forget the last 4 years here...I honestly think CC is not a shot in the bucket because he will want far more than what Santana got and he is from out west so well see about that
JeffWeaverFan
08-24-08, 01:55 AM
CC, Wang, Moose, Pettitte, Joba. Joba is the 5th starter and has his starts skipped to keep his inning low. Hughes starts either in AAA or in the majors as the long reliever and, if he's pitching well, will get in that rotation at some point of time.
genius-24
08-25-08, 11:59 AM
CC, Wang, Moose, Pettitte, Joba. Joba is the 5th starter and has his starts skipped to keep his inning low. Hughes starts either in AAA or in the majors as the long reliever and, if he's pitching well, will get in that rotation at some point of time.
I think that what yanks will do unless Phil gets traded. Though, I would expect someone else instead of either Moose or Pettite due to their age.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/08/25/heyman.scoop/index.html
Per Jon Heyman: A source close to CC says his first choice is to play near his home in San Francisco.
ICEBERG18
08-25-08, 01:06 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/08/25/heyman.scoop/index.html
Per Jon Heyman: A source close to CC says his first choice is to play near his home in San Francisco.
Right, I'll belive it when I see it.
JavyVazquezIsSick
08-25-08, 01:09 PM
:lol: I'm sure the source is his agent. "Your going to have to offer a lot Yankees if you want him because he wants to play on the West Coast."
SINCE77 2
08-25-08, 04:33 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/08/25/heyman.scoop/index.html
Per Jon Heyman: A source close to CC says his first choice is to play near his home in San Francisco.
I don't see anything wrong with a player who wants to pitch where he thinks he'll be happy. Last thing I want the Yankees to do is acquire someone who really doesn't want to be here, but is pressured by his agent and the players association to go for the money.
nycdoc999
08-25-08, 04:38 PM
What a silly idea....
The Giants have egg on their face for singning Zito to a $126M contract, have NO offense, and have excellent young minor-league pitching close to being ready.
AND they have Lincecum and Cain at the top of the rotation. Zito HAS to pitch, since his contract is immovable, and Jonathan Sanchez has established himself in the majors this year as well.
Highly unlikely they sign CC. He's building a house in SOUTHERN california anyway. The Dodgers or Angels seem more plausible than the Giants - at least those teams have the resources to pay him...
Realistically, I think we'll see CC, Joba, Wang, Mussina, and Pavano. And I'd be fine with that. Keep Ponson around just in case.
Guys, I honestly believe that the Yanks should resign Pavano for a small, incentive-laden contract ($5 million+). He wants to show someone he can be a bigtime pitcher again, and the Yanks need cheap pitching options and a backup in case the kids don't workout. If he gets hurt again, its not a major financial loss. Its win-win.
CC
Joba
Wang
Mussina or Pettitte (not both, IMO)
Phil Hughes
Kenedy / Pavano
Pitching depth is the key
dont_ya_know24
08-26-08, 11:03 AM
Guys, I honestly believe that the Yanks should resign Pavano for a small, incentive-laden contract ($5 million+). He wants to show someone he can be a bigtime pitcher again, and the Yanks need cheap pitching options and a backup in case the kids don't workout. If he gets hurt again, its not a major financial loss. Its win-win.
CC
Joba
Wang
Mussina or Pettitte (not both, IMO)
Phil Hughes
Kenedy / Pavano
Pitching depth is the key
seriously, i agree with you. why should we let someone else benefit from all that rehabbing at the expense of the yankees. i know he's a pain in the ass, and everyone can't wait to get rid of him, but face it, when he's healthy (not often), he is a solid pitcher. and i would also much rather have him as a backup starter than sidney ponson.
but the only way it would work is if it's a minor league contract, which i doubt he would take. someone will take a risk on him next year and give a ML contract. (like bartolo colon and the sox)
Ynkcpt23
08-26-08, 12:05 PM
seriously, i agree with you. why should we let someone else benefit from all that rehabbing at the expense of the yankees. i know he's a pain in the ass, and everyone can't wait to get rid of him, but face it, when he's healthy (not often), he is a solid pitcher. and i would also much rather have him as a backup starter than sidney ponson.
but the only way it would work is if it's a minor league contract, which i doubt he would take. someone will take a risk on him next year and give a ML contract. (like bartolo colon and the sox)
He's going to sign somewhere, I have no doubt at all. I hate his freaking guts for all the wasted $$, but it's not like he's running out of steam right now--he's essentially been rehabbing for the better part of four years, what if he's got something left?
(If he gets bombed in his next start, bring on the mob and run his a** out of town)
Young Steinbrenner
09-01-08, 04:25 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/08/25/heyman.scoop/index.html
Per Jon Heyman: A source close to CC says his first choice is to play near his home in San Francisco.
Yeah, maybe that is his first choice...
But a dumptruck full of Yankees cash could complicate matters :D
YanksFan1992
09-01-08, 04:41 PM
I'd go with:
Sabathia
Wang
Joba
Hughes
Mussina
Plus Kennedy or another youngster as the 6th starter.
dont_ya_know24
09-01-08, 05:22 PM
the bullpen looks like it will have good competition next year in ST.
melancon
veras
ramirez
bruney
aceves
coke
robertson
cox
albaladejo
britton
with rivera as an obvious lock, and marte as a lock if his option year is picked up.
Yeah, maybe that is his first choice...
But a dumptruck full of Yankees cash could complicate matters :D
I want CC, but I want him to really want to play for the yankees, not just come here because we were the highest bidder. I dont want to be stuck with a Randy Johnson type situation where a guy coming from a small market team comes here just because of money and then turns out to be miserable here which could affect his on field performance.
yank4life2005
09-01-08, 06:50 PM
Sabathia
Wang
Burnett/Sheets/Garland
Mussina/Pettite
Hughes
SoCal Pinstriper
09-01-08, 06:51 PM
CC, Wang, Moose, Pettitte, Joba. Joba is the 5th starter and has his starts skipped to keep his inning low. Hughes starts either in AAA or in the majors as the long reliever and, if he's pitching well, will get in that rotation at some point of time.eureka!!
One post out of a hundred that doesn't pencil Phil into the Yankees' starting five!
I want the kid to get every chance to be all he can be with the Yankees, but rushing him did not work out. Let's learn from that, and give an innings limited Phil a chance to ease his way into the rotation as his performance merits without the pressure of carrying 20% of the starts for a team with playoff hopes/expectations.
No matter the rotation, experience tells us that there will be plenty of opportunities for the 6th/7th starter on the Yankees.
PJMPirate
09-01-08, 06:55 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap;_ylt=AsTooLFx.fahAypEe2tH8SkRvLYF?gid=280901108&prov=ap
Sheets left his start in the fifth today with tightness in his groin. Damaged goods, anyone?
yankeebot
09-01-08, 06:56 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap;_ylt=AsTooLFx.fahAypEe2tH8SkRvLYF?gid=280901108&prov=ap
Sheets left his start in the fifth today with tightness in his groin. Damaged goods, anyone?
Yes, please.
aeromac76
09-01-08, 08:10 PM
Sabathia
Wang
Burnett/Sheets/Garland
Mussina/Pettite
Hughes
I guess Joba's stuff is not quite good enough?
;)
Please don't say bullpen, please..
We have a deep crop of arms for it and Joba is a potential #1, he'll be starting next year..
Roberto Kelly
09-01-08, 08:56 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/08/25/heyman.scoop/index.html
Per Jon Heyman: A source close to CC says his first choice is to play near his home in San Francisco.
Is Boras CC's agent? Because I thought I read somewhere during the Arod saga last year that Heyman is a schill for Boras.
dont_ya_know24
09-01-08, 09:26 PM
He's going to sign somewhere, I have no doubt at all. I hate his freaking guts for all the wasted $$, but it's not like he's running out of steam right now--he's essentially been rehabbing for the better part of four years, what if he's got something left?
(If he gets bombed in his next start, bring on the mob and run his a** out of town)
that's what i'm saying. if he would sign for cheap, then i'd be all for it, because i'd rather have him pitch than a ponson or a rasner. if he's healthy he can definitely be an effective pitcher.
Damon(MVP)
09-01-08, 10:05 PM
CC-(CY Young winner)
Wang-(Won the most games the last two years in baseball)
Joba-(The second coming of Roger Clemens)
Bedard-(Last year's strikeout king)
Hughes-(Hottest prospect in baseball at one time)
This line up would be absolutely sick and I mean totally sick if you ask me.
Roberto Kelly
09-01-08, 10:14 PM
Bedard has a questionable makeup...I think many are starting to think that he is "Pavano lite."
dont_ya_know24
09-01-08, 10:28 PM
CC-(CY Young winner)
Wang-(Won the most games the last two years in baseball)
Joba-(The second coming of Roger Clemens)
Bedard-(Last year's strikeout king)
Hughes-(Hottest prospect in baseball at one time)
This line up would be absolutely sick and I mean totally sick if you ask me.
too many ifs, but what else is new?
instead of bedard, i would rather just take the risk on burnett.
JohnnyDamonfan
09-01-08, 10:51 PM
I want it to be
CC
Wang
Joba
Hughes
Kennedy
???
All though I am a little worried about Sabathia. That guy is a ace pitcher, A superb pitcher even. If he was on any other team I'd be all for it. But, has anybody seen how much Brewers are using him? That's the part that worries me that he might be a disaster waiting to happen because of how much work he is forced to do. He's an awesome pitcher but the thought of him going on the DL scares me.
primetime714
09-01-08, 11:14 PM
eureka!!
One post out of a hundred that doesn't pencil Phil into the Yankees' starting five!
I want the kid to get every chance to be all he can be with the Yankees, but rushing him did not work out. Let's learn from that, and give an innings limited Phil a chance to ease his way into the rotation as his performance merits without the pressure of carrying 20% of the starts for a team with playoff hopes/expectations.
No matter the rotation, experience tells us that there will be plenty of opportunities for the 6th/7th starter on the Yankees.
Agreed. I've been saying for a while that Phil should be slotted in as the #6 to start the year. If everyone is healthy he works on his changeup in AAA until a spot opens up.
CC, Wang, Joba are slotted in for next year. Then for the 4th and 5th spots you look to sign Pettitte and Moose to 1-year deals. If one of them turns you down you shift your attention to the likes of Garland and Burnett.
JohnnyDamonfan
09-01-08, 11:17 PM
Agreed. I've been saying for a while that Phil should be slotted in as the #6 to start the year. If everyone is healthy he works on his changeup in AAA until a spot opens up.
CC, Wang, Joba are slotted in for next year. Then for the 4th and 5th spots you look to sign Pettitte and Moose to 1-year deals. If one of them turns you down you shift your attention to the likes of Garland and Burnett.
Somehow, I think Garland may be better to go after. Because Burnett is gonna be looking for a lot like a 4-5 year contract. And I think getting Garland may be a little bit easier and much less of a risk.
yankswn23
09-02-08, 08:58 AM
Sabathia
Wang
Petitte
Mussina
Chamberlain
Prob gonna trade Hughes and Melky to get a decent CF, but not sure, if we can get Sabathia and resign Moose and Andy, prob let Hughes kennedy work in the minors all season and I think we will resign Abreu and let Giambi Go, Signing Tex.
Damon - CF (OF)
Jeter - SS
Abreu - RF
ARod- 3B
Matsui - DH
Tex - 1B
Posoda - C
Nady - LF
Cano - 2b
Bench - C Pudge/ split time with Posoda after he accepts Arbitration
OF - Gardner, IF - Miranda/Ransom
BP
here is where Cashman is gonna make his money, they need to overpay K-Rod to setup for MO.. don't know if it could happen but it would be unreal..
I can actually see the Yankees signing Farnsworth again as much as some of you hate him for a hometown discount, and becoming the setup man to MO
JohnnyDamonfan
09-02-08, 09:55 AM
Sabathia
Wang
Petitte
Mussina
Chamberlain
Prob gonna trade Hughes and Melky to get a decent CF, but not sure, if we can get Sabathia and resign Moose and Andy, prob let Hughes kennedy work in the minors all season and I think we will resign Abreu and let Giambi Go, Signing Tex.
Damon - CF (OF)
Jeter - SS
Abreu - RF
ARod- 3B
Matsui - DH
Tex - 1B
Posoda - C
Nady - LF
Cano - 2b
Bench - C Pudge/ split time with Posoda after he accepts Arbitration
OF - Gardner, IF - Miranda/Ransom
BP
here is where Cashman is gonna make his money, they need to overpay K-Rod to setup for MO.. don't know if it could happen but it would be unreal..
I can actually see the Yankees signing Farnsworth again as much as some of you hate him for a hometown discount, and becoming the setup man to MO
You really want to give up our top pitcher for a Center Fielder who's not gonna be able to play Center by 2011 at the latest? Jackson is on his way up by early 2010 he's gonna be our Center Fielder. Unless this Center fielder you're thinking about can somhow play Right Field then I don't want him. I think we should go after Kemp we can probably get him without Hughes or Joba or Jackson. The great thing about Kemp is not only is he young and a good hitter. He is a Right Fielder for the Dodgers. So let him play Center for about 2 years until Jackson comes up then we can shift him over to Right. It's a win-win situation here.
I Heart Jeter
09-02-08, 11:50 AM
What about Yu Darvish? Any possibility we could get him?
yankswn23
09-02-08, 12:13 PM
You really want to give up our top pitcher for a Center Fielder who's not gonna be able to play Center by 2011 at the latest? Jackson is on his way up by early 2010 he's gonna be our Center Fielder. Unless this Center fielder you're thinking about can somhow play Right Field then I don't want him. I think we should go after Kemp we can probably get him without Hughes or Joba or Jackson. The great thing about Kemp is not only is he young and a good hitter. He is a Right Fielder for the Dodgers. So let him play Center for about 2 years until Jackson comes up then we can shift him over to Right. It's a win-win situation here.
I just think the Yankees will do something drastic like that, not saying that is what i want ;)
Sabathia
Wang
Petitte
Mussina
Chamberlain
Prob gonna trade Hughes and Melky to get a decent CF, but not sure, if we can get Sabathia and resign Moose and Andy, prob let Hughes kennedy work in the minors all season and I think we will resign Abreu and let Giambi Go, Signing Tex.
Damon - CF (OF)
Jeter - SS
Abreu - RF
ARod- 3B
Matsui - DH
Tex - 1B
Posoda - C
Nady - LF
Cano - 2b
Bench - C Pudge/ split time with Posoda after he accepts Arbitration
OF - Gardner, IF - Miranda/Ransom
BP
here is where Cashman is gonna make his money, they need to overpay K-Rod to setup for MO.. don't know if it could happen but it would be unreal..
I can actually see the Yankees signing Farnsworth again as much as some of you hate him for a hometown discount, and becoming the setup man to MO
The chances of this happening are beyond zero. K-Rod will not set up for Rivera.
Roberto Kelly
09-02-08, 02:01 PM
I'd love to get CC, but it seems like we're all thinking it's a foregone conclusion...it sort of reminds me of the sentiments on the board in the '06 offseason with regard to Matsuzaka. Hopefully we don't end up disapointed again.
yankswn23
09-02-08, 03:08 PM
The chances of this happening are beyond zero. K-Rod will not set up for Rivera.
So you are saying there's a chance........
Abe Frohman
09-02-08, 03:14 PM
K-Rod will def NEVER setup for Mo ... he thinks he's
better than Mo. He'd probably want Mo setting up for him ... LoL.
yankswn23
09-02-08, 03:16 PM
K-Rod will def NEVER setup for Mo ... he thinks he's
better than Mo. He'd probably want Mo setting up for him ... LoL.
You pay K-Rod enough and he will carry Mo's stuff out to the bullpen players like K-Rod are motivated by Money..
JohnnyDamonfan
09-02-08, 03:18 PM
I just think the Yankees will do something drastic like that, not saying that is what i want ;)
I hope you are wrong. This Santana thing was a test in the offseason. I really think the Yankees would not be stupid enough to trade Hughes and Melky for a Center Fielder. They probably will get one just not by trading Hughes. Cause if they didn't crack for Santana something tells me they won't crack for a Center Fielder................. I hope! And by the way we do kinda need a plan B in case CC doesn't come here.
You know what I have gotten to the point where I would be thrilled if CC came here. But, happy if another team got him as long as it didn't interfere with us. (For example if CC went to Boston or to an AL East team I'd be pretty upset. But if he stays in the NL I'm happy)
MissingBillyMartin
09-03-08, 09:09 AM
. I think we should go after Kemp we can probably get him without Hughes or Joba or Jackson. The great thing about Kemp is not only is he young and a good hitter. He is a Right Fielder for the Dodgers. So let him play Center for about 2 years until Jackson comes up then we can shift him over to Right. It's a win-win situation here.
I would love to be smoking what you are smoking. I am not even sure that Hughes and Jackson would be enough to get Kemp. We don't have a lot of value to offer outside those two (Joba is going nowhere).
We aren't getting Kemp.
JL25and3
09-03-08, 10:21 AM
You really want to give up our top pitcher for a Center Fielder who's not gonna be able to play Center by 2011 at the latest? Jackson is on his way up by early 2010 he's gonna be our Center Fielder. Unless this Center fielder you're thinking about can somhow play Right Field then I don't want him. I think we should go after Kemp we can probably get him without Hughes or Joba or Jackson. The great thing about Kemp is not only is he young and a good hitter. He is a Right Fielder for the Dodgers. So let him play Center for about 2 years until Jackson comes up then we can shift him over to Right. It's a win-win situation here.How on earth are you expecting to get Kemp for second-tier prospects?
JL25and3
09-03-08, 10:23 AM
I really think the Yankees would not be stupid enough to trade Hughes and Melky for a Center Fielder. They probably will get one just not by trading Hughes. I hope you don't have a problem with trading Melky.
Bottom line, of course, is that if you're not willing to trade one of the top prospects, you're not going to get much of a return, either.
JohnnyDamonfan
09-03-08, 10:28 AM
I hope you don't have a problem with trading Melky.
Bottom line, of course, is that if you're not willing to trade one of the top prospects, you're not going to get much of a return, either.
Are you kidding? I would trade Melky today for nothing, Hughes is what I'm more concerned about trading. But, if the Dodgers said today that they wanted Hughes and Cano for Kemp. I'd probably end up doing it. I wouldn't be happy about it but Kemp is a great player.
JL25and3
09-03-08, 10:34 AM
Are you kidding? I would trade Melky today for nothing, Hughes is what I'm more concerned about trading. But, if the Dodgers said today that they wanted Hughes and Cano for Kemp. I'd probably end up doing it. I wouldn't be happy about it but Kemp is a great player.Fair enough. Honestly, I'm not even sure I'd give up that much for him, because I still think Cano will be good.
Cashman said today that most likely Joba will start in the pen because he doesn't have enough innings to be a starter. That being said it would rule out Kennedy or Hughes as starters. I wouldn't be surprised to see them resign both Pettitte, Mussina and then go with Wang and try and sign a ace like CC and look for another starter by trade
JohnnyDamonfan
09-03-08, 10:42 AM
Fair enough. Honestly, I'm not even sure I'd give up that much for him, because I still think Cano will be good.
So will Hughes. I really think Cano and Hughes both will end up being good. If they ask for more then Hughes and Cano I'm willing to let him go. He's a great young Right Fielder. But, I really don't want 3 of our good guys (or possibility to get good) for just one guy. Hughes and Cano would be my final offer unless they wanted to put in one more guy like Loney in the trade of course.
primetime714
09-03-08, 11:49 AM
Are you kidding? I would trade Melky today for nothing, Hughes is what I'm more concerned about trading. But, if the Dodgers said today that they wanted Hughes and Cano for Kemp. I'd probably end up doing it. I wouldn't be happy about it but Kemp is a great player.
Hughes AND Cano? Seriously? I'd probably do either or, but certainly not both. Let's remember that a couple months ago we probably could've gotten Kemp and Lowe for Cano. At least it was rumored that the Dodgers were willing to do that. Since then Kemp has really played well, but so has Cano. I think a straight up Cano for Kemp deal would get it done. If they wanted more you throw in Melky at most.
I'd rather do Hughes and Melky though, but I don't know how much interest the Dodgers would have in that deal. As I think they'd rather not downgrade their offense.
I don't want to give up any of our prospects and I WILL NOT give up Cano. He has too much upside potential, but maybe we are evaluating Hughes too highly. He is beginning to look like our pitching version of Nick Johnson. In his first full season of organized ball (2005) he only appeared in 17 games, then in his second year in 26 games, 21 in his third year and so far in only 8 games in this his fourth full year.
I am not saying I want to trade him but I am not ready to call him our best pitcher just yet.
dont_ya_know24
09-03-08, 12:50 PM
I don't want to give up any of our prospects and I WILL NOT give up Cano. He has too much upside potential, but maybe we are evaluating Hughes too highly. He is beginning to look like our pitching version of Nick Johnson. In his first full season of organized ball (2005) he only appeared in 17 games, then in his second year in 26 games, 21 in his third year and so far in only 8 games in this his fourth full year.
I am not saying I want to trade him but I am not ready to call him our best pitcher just yet.
if hughes started to have arm troubles then i'd get concerned. i think the injury this year was a result of his messed up mechanics.
once he starightens them out, i'm confident phil will be fine.
metalboy15
09-03-08, 12:58 PM
if hughes started to have arm troubles then i'd get concerned. i think the injury this year was a result of his messed up mechanics.
once he starightens them out, i'm confident phil will be fine.
Messed up mechanics?
His delivery/mechanics looked exactly like '07, although I suspect he was throwing from a lower slot this year.
Young Steinbrenner
09-03-08, 01:33 PM
I don't even want Ben Sheets.
CC is better, more durable...
metalboy15
09-03-08, 01:39 PM
The Red Sox will target A.J. Burnett this winter, a rival executive told FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal.
We're skeptical that they'd really pursue Burnett over CC Sabathia and Ben Sheets, but he will a realistic alternative once the two superior pitchers are off the board. Assuming that he gets through September without any arm troubles, he'll almost certainly opt out of the final two years of his deal with the Jays.
Source: FOXSports.com (http://feeds.feedburner.com/%7Er/foxsports/rss/rosenthal/%7E3/382228283/With-Cubs-ownership-uncertain,-Hendry-has-options)
..............
Joltin' Joe
09-03-08, 01:40 PM
..............
I do not want that to happen Burnett absolutely dominates the Yankees. If he is going to be in the AL East I want him on the Yankees.
JohnnyDamonfan
09-03-08, 02:42 PM
Hughes AND Cano? Seriously? I'd probably do either or, but certainly not both. Let's remember that a couple months ago we probably could've gotten Kemp and Lowe for Cano. At least it was rumored that the Dodgers were willing to do that. Since then Kemp has really played well, but so has Cano. I think a straight up Cano for Kemp deal would get it done. If they wanted more you throw in Melky at most.
I'd rather do Hughes and Melky though, but I don't know how much interest the Dodgers would have in that deal. As I think they'd rather not downgrade their offense.
Well I did say that would be the HIGHEST I'd go for Kemp. Question though why would you rather do Hughes and Melky? I see Hughes as being a number 1 starter. Cano has played very well and Hughes will pitch very well. For me I just think it would be easier to find a good young playing 2nd baseman then to find another Hughes.
I guess I'm just worried the Red Sox somehow get him. I mean think about it I have had nightmares of the Red Sox letting go of JD Drew and having Kemp play Right Field.
knickfan23
09-03-08, 02:46 PM
Damon - CF (OF)
Jeter - SS
Abreu - RF
ARod- 3B
Matsui - DH
Tex - 1B
Posoda - C
Nady - LF
Cano - 2b
If I have this right, with the exception of 2 players (one FA and one player coming from major surgery), we are bringing back the exact same offense (one year older) that is having problems scoring this year?
Please help me with this.
Young Steinbrenner
09-03-08, 03:13 PM
If I have this right, with the exception of 2 players (one FA and one player coming from major surgery), we are bringing back the exact same offense (one year older) that is having problems scoring this year?
Please help me with this.
you beat me to it
and why does he have Texiera hitting 6th?!?
Scrap this entire group of choke-a-holics, the lineup is poo
frostdude1
09-03-08, 08:54 PM
is Oliver Perez a FA this offseason as well ?
DiMaggio5CF
09-03-08, 09:05 PM
Assuming Joba goes back to the bullpen to start the season, and that Hughes and Kennedy are in the minors or the bullpen:
1. C.C. Sabathia, L
2. Chien-Ming Wang, R
3. Roy Halladay, R
4. Johan Santana, L
5. Brandon Webb, R
And get one of Erik Bedard, Scott Kazmir, or Jake Peavy for insurance in case of injury.
JohnnyDamonfan
09-03-08, 10:06 PM
Assuming Joba goes back to the bullpen to start the season, and that Hughes and Kennedy are in the minors or the bullpen:
1. C.C. Sabathia, L
2. Chien-Ming Wang, R
3. Roy Halladay, R
4. Johan Santana, L
5. Brandon Webb, R
And get one of Erik Bedard, Scott Kazmir, or Jake Peavy for insurance in case of injury.
Please tell me your either joking or being sarcastic.
wang+cano=future
09-05-08, 01:28 PM
Please tell me your either joking or being sarcastic.
Haha pretty sure that is a joke.
JohnnyDamonfan
09-05-08, 02:05 PM
Haha pretty sure that is a joke.
If not maybe he was extremely drunk the day he wrote that.:D
That would probably be one of the best rotations I have ever seen.
teixeira is a freakin first baseman. his bat isn't huge enough to go after, frankly. he's replaceable nearly every single year in FA. the uniqueness of sabathia creates leverage for NY. a lefty. an innings eater. a guy who pushes everybody in your rotation down a notch.
ever play team tennis? the advantages to a sabathia signing far, far outweigh that of a teixeira one..
The money he's turned down was extremely high. He will want too much for his output.
Let Posada play first...
Put the money in pitching...
JL25and3
09-05-08, 02:27 PM
The money he's turned down was extremely high. He will want too much for his output.
Let Posada play first...
Put the money in pitching...That will give you a first baseman, though not a good one. But then you still need a catcher.
And no, the answer is not Molina.
That will give you a first baseman, though not a good one. But then you still need a catcher.
And no, the answer is not Molina.
You could do lots worse than Molina. An excellent defensive catcher is worth a bundle, even if he doesn't get on base as often as you'd like. It's going to take a king's ransom to pry Salty, Ramirez, or Teagarden out of Texas. Is there another team with the kind of catching surplus that might lead to a deal?
THEBOSS84
09-05-08, 04:15 PM
You could do lots worse than Molina. An excellent defensive catcher is worth a bundle, even if he doesn't get on base as often as you'd like. It's going to take a king's ransom to pry Salty, Ramirez, or Teagarden out of Texas. Is there another team with the kind of catching surplus that might lead to a deal?
I don't think so. They more or less have to trade one and everyone knows it.
I don't think so. They more or less have to trade one and everyone knows it.
Fair point, but the demand for catchers is so high around both leagues that there'll be very strong offers for either of them.
Teagarden will probably go the cheapest, I'm guessing.
bmxstreetrider86
09-05-08, 04:49 PM
You could do lots worse than Molina. An excellent defensive catcher is worth a bundle, even if he doesn't get on base as often as you'd like. It's going to take a king's ransom to pry Salty, Ramirez, or Teagarden out of Texas. Is there another team with the kind of catching surplus that might lead to a deal?
true enough,
and ramriez certainly isnt a catcher long term, Salty might not be, Chris davis should be a full time 1B, and they just drafted justin smoak.
quite the logjam
primetime714
09-05-08, 08:06 PM
Posada will be fine defensively at C. There is no reason to move him. Especially since he is one of the best offensive Catchers in the game and would be at best average offensively at 1B.
Sign Teixeira and if you can't do that sign Adam Dunn or Giambi for another year. Or if you want to get crazy we might be able to pry Fielder away from the Brewers in a package that featured Hughes.
a-RobinsonCano-Fan
09-05-08, 08:42 PM
Posada will be fine defensively at C. There is no reason to move him. Especially since he is one of the best offensive Catchers in the game and would be at best average offensively at 1B.
Sign Teixeira and if you can't do that sign Adam Dunn or Giambi for another year. Or if you want to get crazy we might be able to pry Fielder away from the Brewers in a package that featured Hughes.
I dont rate Fielder much higher than Giambi. Id say we sign Giambi for cheap and keep Phil over trading Phil+ for Prince
THEBOSS84
09-05-08, 08:43 PM
Posada will be fine defensively at C. There is no reason to move him. Especially since he is one of the best offensive Catchers in the game and would be at best average offensively at 1B.
Sign Teixeira and if you can't do that sign Adam Dunn or Giambi for another year. Or if you want to get crazy we might be able to pry Fielder away from the Brewers in a package that featured Hughes.
I LOVE it.
Damon(MVP)
09-05-08, 09:04 PM
Have you seen Posada at first base?, absolutely horrible defensively at first, he would definitely cost us a few games if they put him there, first base belongs to Tex, I love Giambi but I think the Yankees need to get younger, it is rumored that the Blue Jays are interested in him.
Ynkcpt23
09-05-08, 09:09 PM
Haha pretty sure that is a joke.
It really had better be, there only so many narcotics that strong that could be available.
primetime714
09-05-08, 10:58 PM
I LOVE it.
Yea I wouldn't be opposed either especially if we couldn't sign Teixeira but could get CC and Sheets. Although I don't know how likely the Brewers would be to deal with us if we stole both of their ace pitchers.
bmxstreetrider86
09-05-08, 11:19 PM
Have you seen Posada at first base?, absolutely horrible defensively at first, he would definitely cost us a few games if they put him there, first base belongs to Tex, I love Giambi but I think the Yankees need to get younger, it is rumored that the Blue Jays are interested in him.
that would be awesome, since they are right on the good side of the draft pick cutoff
THEBOSS84
09-05-08, 11:25 PM
that would be awesome, since they are right on the good side of the draft pick cutoff
I can't imagine the Yanks offering Giambi arb. If they do, Ican't imagine a team willing to lose their first rounder for him, if he's a type-A.
b_joseph
09-05-08, 11:31 PM
I can't imagine the Yanks offering Giambi arb. If they do, Ican't imagine a team willing to lose their first rounder for him, if he's a type-A.A lesser team wouldnt have to lose a 1st rounder...just a couple supp picks.
bmxstreetrider86
09-05-08, 11:37 PM
I can't imagine the Yanks offering Giambi arb. If they do, Ican't imagine a team willing to lose their first rounder for him, if he's a type-A.
giambi would easily be the best hitter on the BJ's team
i think its a no brainer to offer him arb, and i think a number of teams would give up a 1st rounder for him, especially the BJ's
primetime714
09-05-08, 11:43 PM
giambi would easily be the best hitter on the BJ's team
i think its a no brainer to offer him arb, and i think a number of teams would give up a 1st rounder for him, especially the BJ's
We won't offer him arbitration it would probably cost more if he accepted it than picking up his option as he has a 5M buyout on his contract and I can't see his salary being reduced by that much in arbitration simply because it never works out that way. I also can't see anyone giving him a better per year deal than he would get by accepting arbitration. I also doubt anyone goes beyond 2 years for him making a 1 year deal worth probably around 20M a good deal for him as the most he'll get in FA is probably 2 years at 25-30M.
bmxstreetrider86
09-06-08, 12:01 AM
We won't offer him arbitration it would probably cost more if he accepted it than picking up his option as he has a 5M buyout on his contract and I can't see his salary being reduced by that much in arbitration simply because it never works out that way. I also can't see anyone giving him a better per year deal than he would get by accepting arbitration. I also doubt anyone goes beyond 2 years for him making a 1 year deal worth probably around 20M a good deal for him as the most he'll get in FA is probably 2 years at 25-30M.
A) i dont think there is any way he gets 20 mil in arbitration.
B)i think he can get more than 20 mil elsewhere. a 2 year 24 mil contract should be cake, and i could see him getting 30 easily as well. thats 10 mil more than he will make here if the arbitrator awards him 20 mil.
C) even if he accepts, we get an .850-.900 OPS player on a 1 year deal
he would have the highest OPS on the BJ's by far
teknetic
09-06-08, 12:50 AM
Originally Posted by ojo
teixeira is a freakin first baseman. his bat isn't huge enough to go after, frankly. he's replaceable nearly every single year in FA. the uniqueness of sabathia creates leverage for NY. a lefty. an innings eater. a guy who pushes everybody in your rotation down a notch.
ever play team tennis? the advantages to a sabathia signing far, far outweigh that of a teixeira one..
Switch hitting-GG caliber 1B who sport a .916 career OPS who just turned 28, 5 months ago are actually a dime a dozen. His bat isn't special? are you on some heavy dose of meth? What 1B (which we have a glaring hole in) is out there, next year and the years after that?
Perhaps you're talking about another Mark Texiera?
primetime714
09-06-08, 09:40 AM
A) i dont think there is any way he gets 20 mil in arbitration.
B)i think he can get more than 20 mil elsewhere. a 2 year 24 mil contract should be cake, and i could see him getting 30 easily as well. thats 10 mil more than he will make here if the arbitrator awards him 20 mil.
C) even if he accepts, we get an .850-.900 OPS player on a 1 year deal
he would have the highest OPS on the BJ's by far
A) He won't get much less than 20M (probably around 18M) in arbitration AND we have to buyout his contract at 5M next year bringing the total up to about 23M on the year. In arbitration very rarely are players salaries reduced and never by much. Guys in line for a drop in pay don't get offered arbitration.
B) He wants to play for the Yankees and has said so, so I'd imagine that there's at least a decent change that he'd be willing to accept a 1 year deal at around 18M over a 2 year 24-30M deal from another team except maybe a west coast team.
C) If he does accept it'll prevent us from signing a younger and better 1B like Teixeira and could make it harder to sign more pitching.
D) He will only be a type B FA- The chance of getting a sandwich pick for him is not worth the chance of his accepting arbitration. If he were a type A maybe it would be a different story, but probably not.
Simply put 0% chance we offer arbitration to Giambi. We may offer him a low-ball 1-year deal just to see how much he wants to come back, but that's probably it.
bmxstreetrider86
09-06-08, 10:14 AM
A) He won't get much less than 20M (probably around 18M) in arbitration AND we have to buyout his contract at 5M next year bringing the total up to about 23M on the year. In arbitration very rarely are players salaries reduced and never by much. Guys in line for a drop in pay don't get offered arbitration.
its very possible he gets less than 18 million. jason giambi isnt going to ask an arbitrator for 20 mil
and they dont care about the 5 mil buyout
B) He wants to play for the Yankees and has said so, so I'd imagine that there's at least a decent change that he'd be willing to accept a 1 year deal at around 18M over a 2 year 24-30M deal from another team except maybe a west coast team.
he is going to pass up 12 million dollars to stay here on a 1 year deal? doubtful
C) If he does accept it'll prevent us from signing a younger and better 1B like Teixeira and could make it harder to sign more pitching.
having giambi signed for 1 year wont prevent us from doing anything
D) He will only be a type B FA- The chance of getting a sandwich pick for him is not worth the chance of his accepting arbitration. If he were a type A maybe it would be a different story, but probably not.
which makes it even more likely a team will sign him, since they dont have to forfeit a pick
Simply put 0% chance we offer arbitration to Giambi. We may offer him a low-ball 1-year deal just to see how much he wants to come back, but that's probably it.
disagree. even if he accepts, we are "stuck" with an .850-.900 OPS player.
frostdude1
09-06-08, 10:58 AM
Sign CC and Perez
Sabathia
Joba
Wang
Perez
Hughes
Best 1-5 in the league
Sign CC and Perez
Sabathia
Joba
Wang
Perez
Hughes
Best 1-5 in the league
It kind of tells you how crazy our upcoming offseason will be when our rotation in April could either look like that or look something like
Wang
Maybe Andy, maybe Moose
??
??
??
primetime714
09-06-08, 12:30 PM
its very possible he gets less than 18 million. jason giambi isnt going to ask an arbitrator for 20 mil
Ok but if he asks for 18M unless we say 17M or something close like that the arbitrator is going to side with him. He'd get 16M at the absolute lowest and that's extremely doubtful. Player's salary simply don't get lowered by that much if anything in arbitration.
and they dont care about the 5 mil buyout
Yes they do. They just realize that if they don't want to pay him 23M next year they need to pay it. It still factors into their payroll and if they offer him arbitration the amount they're paying him would be relatively no different than if they had picked up the option and not paid the buyout.
he is going to pass up 12 million dollars to stay here on a 1 year deal? doubtful
Yes, because if he can get 1 year 18M and he has to figure that he has at least a good chance of making more than 6M on another 1 year contract the following year. Even if someone goes to 2 years 30M which is overpaying he still might be able to get a 1 year 12M deal next year.
having giambi signed for 1 year wont prevent us from doing anything
Yes it will, that's another ~18M on our payroll and it locks up 1B for next year which means we won't be signing a younger, better player to play the position like Teixiera. The money spent could also limit what we could spend on pitching.
which makes it even more likely a team will sign him, since they dont have to forfeit a pick
Not if he accepts arbitration before another team signs him. Plus as I mentioned before a 1 year arbitration deal from the Yankees may be his best option money wise as he isn't going to make nearly that much per year from another team and won't get offered more than 2-years.
disagree. even if he accepts, we are "stuck" with an .850-.900 OPS player.
Barring someone signing him before the deadline to offer arbitration I just don't see it happening. Its not a matter of us being "stuck" with him as Giambi is still a good player, its a matter of overpaying for another aging vet when this team should be concentrating on getting younger. Its just not an acceptable risk to take unless the team feels that Giambi is worth about 23M (factoring in the buyout) for 2009 which he is not.
JL25and3
09-06-08, 12:37 PM
which makes it even more likely a team will sign him, since they dont have to forfeit a pick
Not if he accepts arbitration before another team signs him.
You were talking about him as a type B free agent. The compensation for a type B is a sandwich pick only, the signing team doesn't give up anything.
I don't think Giambi will get as much in arbitration as you think he will. In general, though, I think a team shouldn't offer arbitration unless they're willing to have the player accept it.
primetime714
09-06-08, 12:58 PM
You were talking about him as a type B free agent. The compensation for a type B is a sandwich pick only, the signing team doesn't give up anything.
Yea I know that. My point was that if Giambi is offered arbitration he only has a limited amount of time to accept it which gives him less time to explore the FA market. While another team may be more apt to sign him if they don't have to give up a pick, teams still aren't going to pay him anything approaching the salary he'll get from arbitration at least not in terms of per year amount, which is why the probability of him accepting arbitration would be high.
I don't think Giambi will get as much in arbitration as you think he will. In general, though, I think a team shouldn't offer arbitration unless they're willing to have the player accept it.
Why? Giambi has had a good year he has done nothing to warrant a significant decrease in salary. An arbitrator will see that and if they Yankees offer is low they will undoubtedly side with Giambi. The history of the arbitration process shows that players rarely receive less than they did previously and pretty much never see the types of decreases you're thinking he'll get.
THEBOSS84
09-06-08, 01:10 PM
When you combine Giambi's 07 and 08, is it even close to a sure thing that he's going to be type-B?
yankeebot
09-06-08, 01:15 PM
When you combine Giambi's 07 and 08, is it even close to a sure thing that he's going to be type-B?
If you haven't seen it yet, this guy is doing projections. I've backed a few of them out based on what I believe is the formula and come up with pretty close to the same numbers. He has Giambi as a B.
http://tigers-thoughts.blogspot.com/2008/08/projected-elias-rankings.html
THEBOSS84
09-06-08, 01:16 PM
If you haven't seen it yet, this guy is doing projections. I've backed a few of them out based on what I believe is the formula and come up with pretty close to the same numbers. He has Giambi as a B.
http://tigers-thoughts.blogspot.com/2008/08/projected-elias-rankings.html
Ok good to know thanks. I saw when he was doing the catchers (Pudge).
I know that a lot of people on this board want CC, and I'm sure it's addressed somewhere on this thread, but I'm really concerned about the number of innings/pitches he's thrown at such a young age.
I have a theory: The reason teams like the A's and the Brewer's do so well in some seasons compared to others is because they sometimes have (or acquire) a fireballer. So because they know they only have him for a short amount of time, they abuse him. And when a team like the Giants pick him up (e.g. think Mulder, Hudson, Zito from A's) they flounder or get hurt.
I'm concerned the same thing will happen when (if) we pick up CC.
Am I out of wack? Has this theory come up before? Does this make anyone else nervous or am I wrong?
JL25and3
09-06-08, 02:33 PM
I know that a lot of people on this board want CC, and I'm sure it's addressed somewhere on this thread, but I'm really concerned about the number of innings/pitches he's thrown at such a young age.
I have a theory: The reason teams like the A's and the Brewer's do so well in some seasons compared to others is because they sometimes have (or acquire) a fireballer. So because they know they only have him for a short amount of time, they abuse him. And when a team like the Giants pick him up (e.g. think Mulder, Hudson, Zito from A's) they flounder or get hurt.
I'm concerned the same thing will happen when (if) we pick up CC.
Am I out of wack? Has this theory come up before? Does this make anyone else nervous or am I wrong?If a pitcher's going to get injured because he pitched too many innings at a young age, it will usually happen when he's young. CC's basically made it through the danger zone. At this point he just looks like a durable pitcher.
primetime714
09-06-08, 03:34 PM
If a pitcher's going to get injured because he pitched too many innings at a young age, it will usually happen when he's young. CC's basically made it through the danger zone. At this point he just looks like a durable pitcher.
Exactly. He's not going to be another Kerry Wood or Mark Prior because he has gotten past the point where he is still building up arm strength.
A lot of people comment about his weight as well, but he is actually very athletic for his size and I remember reading an article where it said bigger pitchers were actually less likely to get injured than skinnier ones.
Also when you look at the other pitchers on the market (Sheets, Burnett) you have to be more concerned by their history of injury problems than you are about the possibility of CC suffering the first major injury of his career.
bmxstreetrider86
09-06-08, 05:07 PM
Ok but if he asks for 18M unless we say 17M or something close like that the arbitrator is going to side with him. He'd get 16M at the absolute lowest and that's extremely doubtful. Player's salary simply don't get lowered by that much if anything in arbitration.
when they are making a ton of money on the back end of a long term deal and they are almost 40 they do. he isnt going to get paid for what he has done, he will get paid for what he will do and what he has done recently, and that isnt 20 mil, and it probably isnt 18
Yes they do. They just realize that if they don't want to pay him 23M next year they need to pay it. It still factors into their payroll and if they offer him arbitration the amount they're paying him would be relatively no different than if they had picked up the option and not paid the buyout.
a one time 5 mil buyout is a drop in the bucket, it is of no conern what so ever
Yes, because if he can get 1 year 18M and he has to figure that he has at least a good chance of making more than 6M on another 1 year contract the following year. Even if someone goes to 2 years 30M which is overpaying he still might be able to get a 1 year 12M deal next year.
no player is passin up a potential multi year deal for 12 mil more for a 1 year deal, its just not going to happen. you dont give up guarenteed money and years, especially at his age
Yes it will, that's another ~18M on our payroll and it locks up 1B for next year which means we won't be signing a younger, better player to play the position like Teixiera. The money spent could also limit what we could spend on pitching.
its another 18 mil in a year where we had 88 come off the books. we couls sign sabathia and texiera with giambi and still significantly lower payroll, and giambis deal is a 1 year deal.
it wont stop the yankees from doing what they want
Not if he accepts arbitration before another team signs him. Plus as I mentioned before a 1 year arbitration deal from the Yankees may be his best option money wise as he isn't going to make nearly that much per year from another team and won't get offered more than 2-years.
he wont make more per year, he will make mroe total, and thats important when you nearly 40 and have had on and off years the past couple of years. if he accepts and leaves 12 mil on the table and gets hurt, then what happens?
Barring someone signing him before the deadline to offer arbitration I just don't see it happening. Its not a matter of us being "stuck" with him as Giambi is still a good player, its a matter of overpaying for another aging vet when this team should be concentrating on getting younger. Its just not an acceptable risk to take unless the team feels that Giambi is worth about 23M (factoring in the buyout) for 2009 which he is not.
he can get more than 23 in the open market. a 2 year deal at 24 with an option would get him more
he is one of the top 5 bats on the market, he wont be expensive in terms of years and dollars, and he brings things that other teams lack in his on base ability and power.
Switch hitting-GG caliber 1B who sport a .916 career OPS who just turned 28, 5 months ago are actually a dime a dozen. His bat isn't special? are you on some heavy dose of meth? What 1B (which we have a glaring hole in) is out there, next year and the years after that?
Perhaps you're talking about another Mark Texiera?
adam dunn is available in the same class. yes, he's not nearly as good with the glove, but their OPS' are comparable. and will cost less - like truckloads of meth-less.
frankly i think the future 1b is currently playing 3rd base now. sinking a ton of $ into the position would be ill advised considering the needs elsewhere.
i'd rather they throw a bunch of $ at ryan zimmerman in '11 and then make the switch. but you know, that might just be the meth talking.
and if you're going to be smug, spell his name accurately, ok champ?
primetime714
09-07-08, 02:23 PM
when they are making a ton of money on the back end of a long term deal and they are almost 40 they do. he isnt going to get paid for what he has done, he will get paid for what he will do and what he has done recently, and that isnt 20 mil, and it probably isnt 18
That's not how arbitration works. Arbitration doesn't take into account age, propensity to get injured. It takes into account how well a player has played and Giambi is coming off a good year. He will get ALOT in arbitration history shows this whether you want to believe it or not is your choice.
a one time 5 mil buyout is a drop in the bucket, it is of no conern what so ever
5M may not be a lot in the grand scheme of the Yankees payroll, but with that money you could sign a good bullpen arm. 5M is also roughly what would be spent on the entire bench. No, its not a lot, but its not a write off. Plus where the 5M really comes into play is if Giambi accepts arbitration. In that case when you combine the 5M with the amount he makes in arbitration we'll be paying him close to the amount we would have paid him had we picked up his option.
no player is passin up a potential multi year deal for 12 mil more for a 1 year deal, its just not going to happen. you dont give up guarenteed money and years, especially at his age
If the difference in the per year amount is great enough yes you do pass up the guaranteed money. I mean if the difference in the per year salary is about 5-6M you definitely pass it up and figure that you can make at least enough in another 1 year deal to make it worth it. I mean if he can make 18M this year in a 1-year deal, don't you think that he'll at least be able to get 6 or 7M on a 1-year deal next year? Even if he gets injured for a period of time he may still be able to make that. If he is healthy he is sure to make more than that on another 1 year deal. However if he gets bigger offers such as a 2-year 30M deal than he'd probably pass on arbitration to take the 2-year deal. Although that's not certain as he has said he does want to play for the Yankees next year and may take less to do so.
its another 18 mil in a year where we had 88 come off the books. we couls sign sabathia and texiera with giambi and still significantly lower payroll, and giambis deal is a 1 year deal.
it wont stop the yankees from doing what they want
Where is Teixeira playing with Giambi in the fold? Do you trade Matsui and put Giambi at DH? That's very unlikely to happen more than likely we just wouldn't sign Teixeira figuring that we already had our 1B in Giambi. That's also 58M spent (20 each for CC and Tex) and we'd still need at least 1 starter (probably 2), a CF, a lefty reliever (Marte at 6M?), and bench help. We'd probably still have enough to get all of that, but overpaying for Giambi doesn't help.
he wont make more per year, he will make mroe total, and thats important when you nearly 40 and have had on and off years the past couple of years. if he accepts and leaves 12 mil on the table and gets hurt, then what happens?
He won't make more total if he can makeup the difference in a 1 year contract next year. As I mentioned before if the difference per year is 5-6M he should easily be able to make that up or more in a 1 year contract next year. If he has another good year he'd making a lot more over the 2 years if he accepted arbitration. Given that he has said he wants to stay with the Yankees that's a risk I think he would definitely take.
he can get more than 23 in the open market. a 2 year deal at 24 with an option would get him more
he is one of the top 5 bats on the market, he wont be expensive in terms of years and dollars, and he brings things that other teams lack in his on base ability and power.
Would you really take a 2-year 24M deal over 23M in 1 year?
He is? I'd rank Teixeira, Manny, Burrell, Dunn, and Bradley above him. I'd also say that Abreu and Raul Ibanez could be above him as well. All certainly will be more highly sought after.
I do agree there will be interest in Giambi though given his power, OBP, and not having to commit a long term deal to him. Still no one is going to break the bank and give him anything approaching what he'd get in arbitration. He also may not get any good offers from winning teams or teams that he wants to play for. Given his age and lack of a championship I think he'd be happy to take a big 1 year deal to stay with the Yankees.
However I suspect we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this.
JL25and3
09-07-08, 02:39 PM
5M may not be a lot in the grand scheme of the Yankees payroll, but with that money you could sign a good bullpen arm.I'd much rather spend $5M on a player, even Giambi, than on a bullpen arm. Expensive bullpen arms are almost always a poor investment, because relief pitchers (except for the occasional Mariano) are inherently inconsistent.
This year's bullpen was built the right way, IMHO. Bring in every arm you can find, wherever you can find them - minor league system, minor league free agents, Mexican league, independent leagues, NRI, minor trades, rule 5 draft, whatever. Pick the best-looking group of arms, and as the season starts, don't hesitate to jettison any of them if you're not happy with them.
But don't spend much on any of them, either.
YankeesRule51
09-07-08, 03:46 PM
I'll take CC.
ROTATION
CC
Wang
Moose
Pettitte
Hughes
BULLPEN
Kennedy
Joba
Mo
Ramirez
Veras
maybe Britton
maybe Bruney
primetime714
09-07-08, 06:38 PM
I'd much rather spend $5M on a player, even Giambi, than on a bullpen arm. Expensive bullpen arms are almost always a poor investment, because relief pitchers (except for the occasional Mariano) are inherently inconsistent.
This year's bullpen was built the right way, IMHO. Bring in every arm you can find, wherever you can find them - minor league system, minor league free agents, Mexican league, independent leagues, NRI, minor trades, rule 5 draft, whatever. Pick the best-looking group of arms, and as the season starts, don't hesitate to jettison any of them if you're not happy with them.
But don't spend much on any of them, either.
I wasn't suggesting signing a reliever (altho Marte's 6M option for 1-year isn't a bad deal) it was just to highlight the point that 5M isn't a "drop in the bucket" as the other poster suggested.
bmxstreetrider86
09-07-08, 08:28 PM
That's not how arbitration works. Arbitration doesn't take into account age, propensity to get injured. It takes into account how well a player has played and Giambi is coming off a good year. He will get ALOT in arbitration history shows this whether you want to believe it or not is your choice.
how was his year before this year? arbitration is based on what a player is worth. players with less than 6 years of experience rarely see thier salary decreased, because they are making peanuts. near 40 year olds coming off of a good, not great, year arent worth 20 million
5M may not be a lot in the grand scheme of the Yankees payroll, but with that money you could sign a good bullpen arm. 5M is also roughly what would be spent on the entire bench. No, its not a lot, but its not a write off. Plus where the 5M really comes into play is if Giambi accepts arbitration. In that case when you combine the 5M with the amount he makes in arbitration we'll be paying him close to the amount we would have paid him had we picked up his option.
even if the yankees somehow lost that 5 million, its not stopping the yankees from doing anything. that 5 mil could be spent on a reliever, or they could just spend another 5 mil on said reliever without batting an eye
If the difference in the per year amount is great enough yes you do pass up the guaranteed money. I mean if the difference in the per year salary is about 5-6M you definitely pass it up and figure that you can make at least enough in another 1 year deal to make it worth it. I mean if he can make 18M this year in a 1-year deal, don't you think that he'll at least be able to get 6 or 7M on a 1-year deal next year? Even if he gets injured for a period of time he may still be able to make that. If he is healthy he is sure to make more than that on another 1 year deal. However if he gets bigger offers such as a 2-year 30M deal than he'd probably pass on arbitration to take the 2-year deal. Although that's not certain as he has said he does want to play for the Yankees next year and may take less to do so.
no player would pass up more money for a one year deal. there are way to manny ifs and mays
2 years at 30 mil IS 2 years at 30 mil, not 1 year at 20 and MAYBE another deal
Where is Teixeira playing with Giambi in the fold? Do you trade Matsui and put Giambi at DH? That's very unlikely to happen more than likely we just wouldn't sign Teixeira figuring that we already had our 1B in Giambi. That's also 58M spent (20 each for CC and Tex) and we'd still need at least 1 starter (probably 2), a CF, a lefty reliever (Marte at 6M?), and bench help. We'd probably still have enough to get all of that, but overpaying for Giambi doesn't help.
1B. matsui, giambi, damon are all on the wrong side of 30, and really on the wrong side of 35. the chances of them all staying helthy is slim, so rotating them would give them a better chance of staying healthy.
or a trade is a choice.
He won't make more total if he can makeup the difference in a 1 year contract next year. As I mentioned before if the difference per year is 5-6M he should easily be able to make that up or more in a 1 year contract next year. If he has another good year he'd making a lot more over the 2 years if he accepted arbitration. Given that he has said he wants to stay with the Yankees that's a risk I think he would definitely take.
its not guarenteed, and at almost 40 the chances of him to continue to stay healthy and produce high is slim. this is really his last chance to make some more money.
Would you really take a 2-year 24M deal over 23M in 1 year?
assuming he only got 12 mil a year on a short deal, even still its more money and more years
He is? I'd rank Teixeira, Manny, Burrell, Dunn, and Bradley above him. I'd also say that Abreu and Raul Ibanez could be above him as well. All certainly will be more highly sought after.
I do agree there will be interest in Giambi though given his power, OBP, and not having to commit a long term deal to him. Still no one is going to break the bank and give him anything approaching what he'd get in arbitration. He also may not get any good offers from winning teams or teams that he wants to play for. Given his age and lack of a championship I think he'd be happy to take a big 1 year deal to stay with the Yankees.
However I suspect we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this.
milton bradley? he is having a big year in arlington, not much of a shocker. id rather have giambi than take the chance that he reverts to his previous career .828 OPS
almost all of those players will be landing big time deals in terms of lenght (at least 3 in everyones case, most close to 5), so it make giambi the most attractive short term deal for a team looking for an upgrade
THEBOSS84
09-09-08, 09:56 PM
Aceves will be considered for a rotation spot if he pitches well for the rest of this season as well as in ST. He's looking pretty right now. Not afraid to throw inside.
Stan Musial
09-10-08, 04:49 AM
I dont believe there is actually people who believe the Yanks can sign both Sheets and Sabathia...no way is that happening.
Sheets..great pitcher, but he is very injury-prone..not durable at all. He's got amazing stuff, but he'll be on the DL for half the season...
C.C. is definitely the way to go...
primetime714
09-10-08, 12:11 PM
Aceves will be considered for a rotation spot if he pitches well for the rest of this season as well as in ST. He's looking pretty right now. Not afraid to throw inside.
Rasner looked good at first too as did Kennedy when he came up at the end of last year.
I like what I've seen from Aceves, but we shouldn't plan on him being much more than injury insurance. Still in that situation he'll get his chances.
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