Report: Yankees have acquired Damaso Marte and Xavier Nady [Archive]

Looie #19

07-25-08, 06:55 PM

Phil Coke has been pulled from his game in Trenton.

http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/25/game-102-yankees-at-red-sox/

Not someone the organization will miss if they don't make the playoffs this season. If it's for a song, I don't see why not pulling the trigger.

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 06:56 PM

You guys dissing Nady are going to be sorry. I think Kennedy has to be part of this deal.

McMoose

07-25-08, 06:56 PM

I Heart Jeter

07-25-08, 06:56 PM

Baseball Prospectus says this deal has happened

ICEBERG18

07-25-08, 06:57 PM

If that's correct I think Ian is definitely gone.

AMYanks

07-25-08, 06:57 PM

I like the deal. The Yankees didn't need a big middle-of-the-order bat, a guy like Nady is good to lengthen the lineup.

Plus, Marte strengthens an already strong bullpen, and we aren't (I would assume) giving up one of the big names (Hughes, Montero, Jackson).

NYDCYankee

07-25-08, 06:57 PM

You guys dissing Nady are going to be sorry. I think Kennedy has to be part of this deal.

What are Marte and Nady's contract status?

I Heart Jeter

07-25-08, 06:57 PM

What position will Nady play?

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 06:58 PM

If that's correct I think Ian is definitely gone.
Yup, both of these guys will be part of next year's roster so Kennedy is part of that heavy price.

Looie #19

07-25-08, 06:58 PM

Coke looked great before he got pulled and now he's just sitting in the dugout. Obviously not the centerpiece but the kid's a hell of a pitcher. If this rumor is true, best of luck to Coke going forward.

He's 26 in AA. No one would miss him, and I wonder why the Pirates would want him. Considering he's filler, I would think a big name would be going to the Pirates, if they have competent individuals in their front office right now.

That is, unless they're repaying for the Damaso Marte for Enrique Wilson deal...

Yankees13

07-25-08, 06:58 PM

I agree with those saying Kennedy has to be gone. No way we got both of them without giving up something serious. Not sure if it's worth it. What's the FA status of the two? If we get say, 3 picks, from the two of them it might be worth it I guess.

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 06:59 PM

What are Marte and Nady's contract status?
Nady has one more year beyond this one for free agency. Marte has a club option of 6M for next season that I can easily see the Yankees picking up again if they want to.

YanksFan1992

07-25-08, 06:59 PM

What position will Nady play?

LF perhaps?

Then Damon can usually play DH, but can occasionally play CF to spell Melky and LF to spell Nady.

Or we could go with Damon in CF, Nady in LF and bench Melky, but I don't see that happening.

Depending on what we gave away I love this trade.

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 06:59 PM

What position will Nady play?
Nady can play either corner position and first base.

jeterdaman

07-25-08, 07:00 PM

Tabata, Ohlendorf and 2 minor leaguers

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/07/25/pirates.yanks.trade/index.html

THEBOSS84

07-25-08, 07:00 PM

I don't like Nady so I hope we didn't give up anyone special.

keg411

07-25-08, 07:00 PM

He's 26 in AA. No one would miss him, and I wonder why the Pirates would want him. Considering he's filler, I would think a big name would be going to the Pirates, if they have competent individuals in their front office right now.

Hopefully the Pirates have an incompetant Front Office.

I'm wondering if Whelan or Cox is in the deal too. Both pretty much cancel each other out in terms of the Yankees system.

I'm guessing Nady means that Christian is gone and Garnder becomes the 4th OF'er/pinch runner/defense off the bench.

ETA: Tabata :(. I'm guessing Coke is one of the other two; not surprised Ohlie is gone... I like his arm, but he's expendable.

Torre Must Go

07-25-08, 07:01 PM

I hope we kept Kennedy.

Cheesyhoboe

07-25-08, 07:01 PM

Jose Tabata, Ross Ohlendorf and possibly Phil Coke are gone with one more prospect.

YanksFan1992

07-25-08, 07:01 PM

Tabata, Ohlendorf and 2 minor leaguers

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/07/25/pirates.yanks.trade/index.html

Wow. :eek:

webassign

07-25-08, 07:02 PM

Tabata, Ohlendorf and 2 minor leaguers

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/07/25/pirates.yanks.trade/index.html
nice.

In Mo I Trust

07-25-08, 07:02 PM

Tabata, Ohlendorf and 2 minor leaguers

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/07/25/pirates.yanks.trade/index.html

Good deal as long as the other 2 minor leaguers are just filler.

Espinosa's Glasses

07-25-08, 07:02 PM

oh no.
i know tabata wasn't having the greatest year but oh no.

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 07:02 PM

Listen there are some players in which their OBP or OPS might be suspect, but for some strange reason can still be very dangerous in the right batting lineup. To me, Nady is that type.

Yankees13

07-25-08, 07:03 PM

Tabata, Ohlendorf and 2 minor leaguers

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/07/25/pirates.yanks.trade/index.html
Not Tabata's biggest fan, but I say it's BS to trade him in this deal.

keg411

07-25-08, 07:03 PM

oh no.
i know tabata wasn't having the greatest year but oh no.

AJax is still there... as likely is Corona (I hope!).

Sometimes you have to give a little to get. Nady and Marte are the types of good add on players; and are either FA's at the end of the season? That could mean picks.

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 07:03 PM

Who is the fourth player? Kennedy????

AMYanks

07-25-08, 07:03 PM

I can't say I'm surprised. Tabata, between the injuries and attitude, saw his stock plummet this year.

Masta Z

07-25-08, 07:04 PM

Whoa Wtf

THEBOSS84

07-25-08, 07:04 PM

I hate this deal.

Cheesyhoboe

07-25-08, 07:04 PM

Well, it'll be interesting to see if Tabata ever develops the power potential he was projected for. If not then we won this trade.

RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees

07-25-08, 07:05 PM

I hate this deal.

Me too. Nady's hitting .330 this year, but I don't see that holding.

mgpenguin

07-25-08, 07:05 PM

It's a good deal for the Yankees overall, I think. They give up an extra BP arm they don't need and a kid who won't be ready for a few years (and by all appearances, a kid who has annoyed them with attitude issues). As long as the other two are B-prospects, it's a good haul.

Yankees13

07-25-08, 07:05 PM

Listen there are some players in which their OBP or OPS might be suspect, but for some strange reason can still be very dangerous in the right batting lineup. To me, Nady is that type.
What makes you say that? Not being argumentative, I'm just curious to hear your perspective, because right now I'm not in love with this trade.

NYDCYankee

07-25-08, 07:05 PM

I like the deal. Tabata can be someone elses headache now.

keg411

07-25-08, 07:05 PM

I can't say I'm surprised. Tabata, between the injuries and attitude, saw his stock plummet this year.

Tabata may be better off in a place like Pittsburgh where they are going to push him. Jackson passed him on the depth chart easily and the Yankees clearly saw something they didn't like in his attitude. I still think he has a chance to be a very very good player down the line... unfortunately it won't be with NY.

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 07:05 PM

I hate this deal.
If Kennedy isn't part of this deal then I love this deal. I have soured on Tabata.

YanksFan1992

07-25-08, 07:05 PM

The poster here, "Tabata" is gonna be pissed. :lol:

RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees

07-25-08, 07:09 PM

The poster here, "Tabata" is gonna be pissed. :lol:

Probably less than "JeffWeaverFan" and "JavyVazquesIsSick".

Espinosa's Glasses

07-25-08, 07:09 PM

You know what.
Screw it.
I didn't know that Tabata was that big of a headache.
His career seems to be Eric Duncaning I guess as well.

I do like the idea of Marte in the pen too.

Am I right in thinking that Nady is a gritty player too... Seems as if so.
I think I like this.
No. I know I like this.

1936-1939JoeNLou

07-25-08, 07:09 PM

Bad deal.

Nady is nothing special.

THEBOSS84

07-25-08, 07:09 PM

If Kennedy isn't part of this deal then I love this deal. I have soured on Tabata.

I was killed here for souring on Tabata around a month ago.

I just don't love Nady or Marte enough to let him loose.

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 07:10 PM

What makes you say that? Not being argumentative, I'm just curious to hear your perspective, because right now I'm not in love with this trade.
I haven't done any type of analysis regarding Nady's numbers, but he seems to be the type that is in the middle of rallys and gets big hits especially against left-handed pitchers. Just a feeling I have about the guy similar to a Scott Brosius.

mgpenguin

07-25-08, 07:10 PM

Bad deal.

Nady is nothing special.
Clearly, the Yankees feel similarly about Tabata...

AMYanks

07-25-08, 07:10 PM

Bad deal.

Nady is nothing special.

Neither is Tabata.

keg411

07-25-08, 07:10 PM

I was killed here for souring on Tabata around a month ago.

I just don't love Nady or Marte enough to let him loose.

If Nady is a FA at the end of this year, it's worth it; if I'm pretty sure he'll be a Type A which means two draft picks :).

Is Xavier Nady a long term solution of any kind? No, he isn't special. But he can help the team at this point, which is very important.

NYYDragoon

07-25-08, 07:11 PM

I'm not too thrilled, but we'll see what happens.

Yankees13

07-25-08, 07:11 PM

Probably less than "JeffWeaverFan" and "JavyVazquesIsSick".
At least they got their shot with the Yankees and stunk. If Tabata turns out to be a star, it will be salt in the wounds to have that user name, and to a lesser extent to see posts with that username.

In Mo I Trust

07-25-08, 07:11 PM

Bad deal.

Nady is nothing special.

He is a significant upgrade over what the Yankees are currently running out there. Tabata isn't a top prospect anymore.

E-Rod

07-25-08, 07:11 PM

The Pirates will receive a package of four minor-league players, expected to be Class AAA right-hander Ross Ohlendorf, Class AA right-handers Phil Coke and George Kontos and Class AA outfielder Jose Tabata.

I read it in one site and can't remember the site right now, in cnnsi.com, they are saying Tabata, Ohlendorf, Coke and a prospect.

ICEBERG18

07-25-08, 07:11 PM

Tabata, Ohlendorf and 2 minor leaguers

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/07/25/pirates.yanks.trade/index.html

Wow, so we got to keep Ian out of the deal? (I'll miss ya Tabata.)

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 07:12 PM

I was killed here for souring on Tabata around a month ago.

I just don't love Nady or Marte enough to let him loose.
Doesn't really matter now because it appears they're ours now and Tabata is now Pittsburg worry.:D

Yankees13

07-25-08, 07:13 PM

I haven't done any type of analysis regarding Nady's numbers, but he seems to be the type that is in the middle of rallys and gets big hits especially against left-handed pitchers. Just a feeling I have about the guy similar to a Scott Brosius.
Hope so. I just think his numbers this year are an aberration and we're going to get the correction.

a yankeesfan

07-25-08, 07:13 PM

Kontos has got a bunch of potential

WeekendWarrior

07-25-08, 07:13 PM

If we kept kennedy, I am very ok with this trade. Assuming the yankees sign cc or sheets, and retain either pettite or mussina, then they are going to need some depth in pitching still (both of these guys are injury worries, as are wang and hughes) So the depth will be necessary.

keg411

07-25-08, 07:13 PM

Wow, so we got to keep Ian out of the deal? (I'll miss ya Tabata.)

The player I like the most in that deal was Kontos. Great arm. Would've preferred to give up Whelan or Claggett.

I Heart Jeter

07-25-08, 07:14 PM

He is a significant upgrade over what the Yankees are currently running out there. Tabata isn't a top prospect anymore.

Agreed. Austin Jackson is our top OF prospect

mc87yanks1

07-25-08, 07:14 PM

Great deal. Tabata is at least 3 years from being a regular in the bigs, and he's a huge question mark at just 19. With the wrist and now leg injuries, he's proving to be an injury risk as well. Coke, Ohli, and the 3rd guy likely never had a place in this organization.

Marte alone gives us the best bullpen around. Nady is a huge improvement from Gardner, even if he cools down. The guy has a career OPS just below .800. Marte will likely be a Type A this offseason if he ends up being just a rental, possibly bringing in a bigger return than we are even giving up.

I know we don't like to give up our kids, but this is a fair deal that is well worth the risk.

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 07:14 PM

I read it in one site and can't remember the site right now, in cnnsi.com, they are saying Tabata, Ohlendorf, Coke and a prospect.
I love this deal!

Again, Marte has a club option for next season for 6M. Depending on how he pitches the Yankees might pick it up.

Nady is not a free agent until 2010. This gives Cashman some wiggle room for the outfield next season with Abreu.

sweet_lou_14

07-25-08, 07:15 PM

Abraham says:

8:09 p.m.: YANKEES HAVE MADE A TRADE:

Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte from Pittsburgh for Jose Tabata, Ross Ohlendorf, Phil Coke and George Kontos.

THEBOSS84

07-25-08, 07:15 PM

b_joseph

07-25-08, 07:15 PM

Neither is Tabata.I agree..only average players make it to AAA at 19 years old.

Nick71

07-25-08, 07:16 PM

Terrific trade. Nady is hitting .330 this season and Marte has been a sick reliever for quite some time. Both players are signed through next season as well. Nady also leads the NL in outfield assists.

b_joseph

07-25-08, 07:16 PM

Kontos and Tabata...Smite me Lord, just Smite me. I know you have to give up something to get something but still......

yankeeman61

07-25-08, 07:16 PM

I like this. Gotta give up something to get something. Immediate dividends, please.

primetime714

07-25-08, 07:16 PM

I read it in one site and can't remember the site right now, in cnnsi.com, they are saying Tabata, Ohlendorf, Coke and a prospect.

Damn I hope the Kontos part isn't true. Otherwise I love it.

a yankeesfan

07-25-08, 07:17 PM

Kontos has the chance to become an elite setup man.

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 07:17 PM

The player I like the most in that deal was Kontos. Great arm. Would've preferred to give up Whelan or Claggett.
The Yankees have similar pitchers like Kontos making their way up the ladder.

I Heart Jeter

07-25-08, 07:17 PM

Can Nady play a decent first base?

YanksFan1992

07-25-08, 07:17 PM

I love this deal!

Again, Marte has a club option for next season for 6M. Depending on how he pitches the Yankees might pick it up.

Nady is not a free agent until 2010. This gives Cashman some wiggle room for the outfield next season with Abreu.

So he's signed through 2009 (meaning he becomes a free agent in late 2009/early 2010), or is he signed through 2010, and he'll become a free agent late that year?

JavyVazquezIsSick

07-25-08, 07:17 PM

Really hate losing Tabata

AROD800HRS

07-25-08, 07:17 PM

I agree..only average players make it to AAA at 19 years old.

He's in AA and struggling.

yankeeman61

07-25-08, 07:17 PM

The Yankees have similar pitchers like Kontos making their way up the ladder.

Can't keep them all if you want to win now

metalboy15

07-25-08, 07:17 PM

Tábata and Kontos... :mad:

jlw1980

07-25-08, 07:18 PM

Probably less than "JeffWeaverFan" and "JavyVazquesIsSick".Those usernames crack me up. They're even better than yours, Ry. :lol:

YanksFan1992

07-25-08, 07:18 PM

Here's the official deal according to Abraham:

Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte from Pittsburgh for Jose Tabata, Ross Ohlendorf, Phil Coke and George Kontos.

JavyVazquezIsSick

07-25-08, 07:18 PM

Can Nady play a decent first base?

He'll be the LFer.

The Comic Book Guy

07-25-08, 07:19 PM

I agree..only average players make it to AAA at 19 years
old.

Since when was Tabata in AAA?

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 07:19 PM

So he's signed through 2009 (meaning he becomes a free agent in late 2009/early 2010), or is he signed through 2010, and he'll become a free agent late that year?
Nady won't have the necessary ML service time to be a free agent until after 2009 season.

keg411

07-25-08, 07:19 PM

The Yankees have similar pitchers like Kontos making their way up the ladder.

True. While I think all players can be good, you also have to give something to get something and the only one with "All Star" potential was Tabata. The others have a chance to be solid pitchers, which the Pirates need.

I think it's a pretty fair deal. Would've like to keep the prospects, but I think that Nady and Marte will help the team and Kennedy and AJax (and guys further away like Montero and Betances) are still there.

Rui

07-25-08, 07:19 PM

I thought Nady was signed to a one year deal through 2008? Where do you guys get that his contract is through 2009?

YanksFan1992

07-25-08, 07:20 PM

Nady won't have necessary ML time to be a free agent until after 2009 season.

Alright, thanks.

Cashman earlier this evening:

Cashman is not optimistic about making a trade. “But it only takes one call.” He drove up to Boston today and was on the phone the entire time.

:lol:

b_joseph

07-25-08, 07:20 PM

He's in AA and struggling.I got crazy with the letter ''A'' because of the disappointment.

Who cares if he is struggling. Its his 1st bad stretch in his career. People are writing him off far too quickly.

I Heart Jeter

07-25-08, 07:20 PM

He'll be the LFer.

I'm thinking about '09. Let's say the Yanks bring Abreu back... Where does Nady play? If he plays LF, then Damon is the DH? What about Matsui?

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 07:20 PM

I thought Nady was signed to a one year deal through 2008? Where do you guys get that his contract is through 2009?

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/pittsburgh-pirates_08.html

bcom33

07-25-08, 07:20 PM

well we didn't give up Ajax, Kennedy, Betances, Montero, and any other number of pitching prospects....

Tabata, could still be damn good...I don't like seeing Kontos go because he was really dealing...Coke was decent too...Ohlendorf wasn't going to give us anything we couldn't get from someone else

AMYanks

07-25-08, 07:21 PM

I agree..only average players make it to AAA at 19 years old.

He obviously has a lot of talent, but the Yankees also obviously have major concerns about his attitude (and maybe his injury history).

tdel23

07-25-08, 07:21 PM

seems like they made a good deal, hopefully marte can handle the bright lights.

justtxyank

07-25-08, 07:21 PM

Nady is a good get. No, he isn't a great player, but he's above average. He's a solid hitter, usually above 100 OPS+, slugging over 450, that's not factoring in this years great numbers.

Even if he just reverts to his career numbers, I'll take him. Nady hitting 6th 7th, or in a fully healthy lineup 8th is nothing to sneeze at.

Cheesyhoboe

07-25-08, 07:21 PM

Damn it, we gave up Kontos? That's really a shame, he has potential to put it together and break out with his stuff.

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 07:21 PM

I'm thinking about '09. Let's say the Yanks bring Abreu back... Where does Nady play? If he plays LF, then Damon is the DH? What about Matsui?
It's too early right now for me to think about 2009, but the Yankees desperately need another right-handed bat this season and perhaps next season.

KeithF40

07-25-08, 07:22 PM

destro

07-25-08, 07:22 PM

I saw a lot of guys scouting Kontos recently at a Thudner game, kid was great.

SoCal Pinstriper

07-25-08, 07:22 PM

Xavier Nady of
1 year/$3.35M (2008)

re-signed 1/18/08 (avoided arbitration)
performance bonuses: $25,000 for 475 PAs, $50,000 for 500 PAs, $55,000 each for 550, 575 PAs, $65,000 for 600 PAs
1 year/$2.15M (2007), re-signed 1/07 (avoided arbitration)
1 year/$0.427M (2006), signed 3/06
1 year/$0.488M (2005)
5 years/$2.85M (2000-04)
$1.1M bonus ($0.1M up front)
$1.75M in salary, paid 2001-2004
bonuses based on days on 25-man roster, 2002-04
earned $0.275M incentive for more than 60 days on roster in 04
drafted 2000 (2-49), signed 9/00
agent: Scott Boras
ML service: 4.059 http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/pittsburgh-pirates_08.html

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 07:23 PM

Alright, thanks.

Cashman earlier this evening:

:lol:

I would hate to play poker with Cashman

bcom33

07-25-08, 07:23 PM

By the way...our bullpen is now SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK.

Rivera
Marte
Veras
Edwar
Farns
Robertson

HOLY ****!!!

fellows

07-25-08, 07:23 PM

I love the trade. Marte has an option for 6mil in 09' that will be picked up. Nady is under contract through 09' and can replace Abreu in RF next year. So they get picks for Abreu when he rejects arbitration.

tdel23

07-25-08, 07:23 PM

who goes hawkins or giese?

THEBOSS84

07-25-08, 07:24 PM

If Nady hits here like he hit there....

themgmt

07-25-08, 07:24 PM

This is an excellent trade. Nady will be a decent RH bat and Marte will make an already good pen - dynamite.

Nady can also be a bench player next year if he is indeed signed through 09.

NelsonMuntz

07-25-08, 07:24 PM

I love Marte's arm but I think Nady is vastly overrated. He's a league average player having a career year. And I'm pi*sed that we gave up Tabata.

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 07:24 PM

Marte is great, do we get the option of the 6m club option for next year, idk if that is transferable. I figured that he would make around 6 next year anyway but that makes me feel a little more comfortable that we can get him.
Yes, we inherit the contract.

This is a great deal for the Yankees. This is not a rental if the Yankees don't want it to be. They have two more pieces for next year's roster if they please.

nyctalopia

07-25-08, 07:24 PM

justtxyank

07-25-08, 07:25 PM

fans will also like that he hits well with RISP

JavyVazquezIsSick

07-25-08, 07:25 PM

If Nady hits here like he hit there....

He's murdered lefties his whole career, this is a great trade.

primetime714

07-25-08, 07:25 PM

I really like this deal. Tabata is at a crossroads he is either about to breakout at the AA level or he is about to see his stock completely plummet ala Eric Duncan. Its a big question though if he can ever be a major leaguer. His potential is still great, but I feel like trading him now for a player like Nady is getting good value while you can. Also I think the organization really soured on him with his attitude problems earlier this year, so it doesn't surprise me.

Then minor league pitching depth for a dominant lefty reliever is great value. I mean if we don't pickup Marte's 2009 option (I think we will though) we could get two picks which could turn out to be greater value than Ohlendorf, Coke, Kontos. I like those three guys, but none of them was a major part of our future pitching staff. Some of them could've contributed, but none were crucial to our plan.

Great job Cash!

E-Rod

07-25-08, 07:25 PM

The only problems with this trades is how i will change my roster in my season in the MLB 08 that i'm playing :P

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 07:26 PM

I love Marte's arm but I think Nady is vastly overrated. And I'm pi*sed that we gave up Tabata.
The Yankees have obviously soured on Tabata. So have I with doubts about him realizing his potential.

portman7387

07-25-08, 07:26 PM

So is Nady signed through next year or not?

Torre Must Go

07-25-08, 07:26 PM

Seems like a very good trade.

THEBOSS84

07-25-08, 07:26 PM

He's murdered lefties his whole career, this is a great trade.

I don't want you to think he's only playing vs LHP. He's going to be the full time starter in LF/DH

YanksFan1992

07-25-08, 07:27 PM

who goes hawkins or giese?

My guess is Hawkins (DFA'd) and Christian (demoted) will be taken off the 25 man roster to make room for Nady and Marte.

bennyc64

07-25-08, 07:27 PM

justtxyank

07-25-08, 07:27 PM

So is Nady signed through next year or not?

Nady is under club control through 2009

cyhughes22

07-25-08, 07:28 PM

Really good trade here. We didn't give up a whole heck of a lot and if Marte struggles(I'm unsure of his contract status) we either get picks when he leaves or he'll still have decent trade value to somebody. We basically traded guys who were probably not going to make a whole hell of a lot of impact at the big league level except maybe Tabata, but he's been pretty disappointing. Seems like a decent deal for both teams. Not as unreasonable as people thought Pittsburgh would be but they certainly didnt get hosed.

YanksFan1992

07-25-08, 07:28 PM

So is Nady signed through next year or not?

Yup, he's signed through 09.

Bub

07-25-08, 07:28 PM

If Nady hits here like he hit there......in 2008, sure. He's particulary hitting right handers this year, and that would really make him valuable. However, over the past 3 years his stats against righties are less than average.

primetime714

07-25-08, 07:28 PM

I love Marte's arm but I think Nady is vastly overrated. He's a league average player having a career year. And I'm pi*sed that we gave up Tabata.

A league average righty who hits lefties really well, hits well with RISP, and is a good defender who can play multiple positions is a nice acquisition for us.

I know people love Tabata's potential, but its very questionnable if he'll ever be even as good as Nady has been.

The pitchers we gave up are not crucial to our future either. They're nice players that can contribute on the major leagues but nothing I'll lose sleep over.

THEBOSS84

07-25-08, 07:28 PM

For 2008, this trade is incredible (if Nady hits).

It can also be good for 2009.

Art Vanderlay

07-25-08, 07:28 PM

I love this trade. Great job by Cashman. This may be the begiining of him restoring my faith in him!!!!

Allan

07-25-08, 07:29 PM

This is an excellent trade. Nady will be a decent RH bat and Marte will make an already good pen - dynamite.

Nady can also be a bench player next year if he is indeed signed through 09.
Nady a bench player? And Melky a starter? Bet you're wrong.

metalboy15

07-25-08, 07:29 PM

WTF?

Update: The final package from the Yankees is Ross Ohlendorf, Jose Tabata (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/TABATA19880812A.php), Phil Coke, and George Kontos (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/KONTOS19850612A.php), according to multiple sources. Rotoworld is reporting a different set of prospects, including Austin Jackson (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/JACKSON19870201A.php), so I continue to follow this.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=958

JavyVazquezIsSick

07-25-08, 07:30 PM

I don't want you to think he's only playing vs LHP. He's going to be the full time starter in LF/DH

I'm well aware, but he is going to help our struggles against lefties greatly.

Masta Z

07-25-08, 07:30 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3505686

Art Vanderlay

07-25-08, 07:30 PM

Nady can be out first baseman or rightfileder next year

BroadwayBomber55

07-25-08, 07:30 PM

I like the deal.

Xavier Nady gives us a starting RHB in the lineup to balance the all-LHB lineup.
Like Richie Sexson, all Nady has to do is to chip in.

As for Damaso Marte, he gives the NYY a quality lefty in the pen (better than Billy Traber). Hopefully, he thrives and succeeds under the big lights.

I'll miss George Kontos and Jose Tabata though.

Masta Z

07-25-08, 07:30 PM

WTF?

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=958 rotoworld fails

b_joseph

07-25-08, 07:30 PM

McCutchen - McClouth - Tabata

That could be some outfield.

themgmt

07-25-08, 07:30 PM

I don't want you to think he's only playing vs LHP. He's going to be the full time starter in LF/DH

But that makes our lineup 7 deep, then clear Molina and you have Melky/Gardner/Christian in the 9 hole

Gob Rules

07-25-08, 07:30 PM

Nady has a .995 OPS away from home. He's a pretty good hitter. Last year he had an .833 OPS away from home.

TheBamTino24

07-25-08, 07:31 PM

Good trade. I know Tabata could turn out to be very good, but he's only 19. You're not going to get good players for free.

themgmt

07-25-08, 07:31 PM

Nady a bench player? And Melky a starter? Bet you're wrong.

Damon will play center, you're right. Even better.

JavyVazquezIsSick

07-25-08, 07:31 PM

WTF?

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=958

:lol: Rotoworld wishes. Rotoworld said a package of that size could include Austin Jackson, its a Red Sox site wishing the Yankees lose their best prospect. Nothing more.

Bub

07-25-08, 07:31 PM

Seems like a very good trade.Might take 5 years to tell for sure.

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 07:32 PM

WTF?

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=958
Jackson is still playing with Trenton tonight.

dont_ya_know24

07-25-08, 07:32 PM

a-jax wasn't in any deal.

also tabata is on the DL, so commish will have to approve IIRC.

R.V.47

07-25-08, 07:32 PM

Love the deal, fills 2 holes, Ohlendorf and Tabatas stock had fallen greatly recently, we just announced to the league tonight that the yankeees are definitly still here.

themgmt

07-25-08, 07:32 PM

McCutchen - McClouth - Tabata

That could be some outfield.
If his name was McTabata they'd really have something

JeterForPresident

07-25-08, 07:32 PM

Addresses the issues we seem to have, and hopefully it works out for us...Nice trade by Cash.

ICEBERG18

07-25-08, 07:33 PM

I love this deal!

Again, Marte has a club option for next season for 6M. Depending on how he pitches the Yankees might pick it up.

Nady is not a free agent until 2010. This gives Cashman some wiggle room for the outfield next season with Abreu.

I'm kind of with you 62, this also sets us up even better for next year.

Brent

07-25-08, 07:34 PM

Wow, this is a hell of a deal.

primetime714

07-25-08, 07:34 PM

Is there a general reason why everyone thinks Nady is absolute trash? I know he doesn't have the best track record but he's a proven everyday starter hitting .330 with 13 hrs in a pitchers park.... Certainly an improvement over Gardner/Christian and even if Matsui comes back, we'll have a solid bench with Nady, Betemit, Sexson, and Gardner as the PR.

Its the perception that since he is having a career year this year that he is overrated and that we overpaid.

Personally I don't feel he is that overrated. No one is really putting him in the same light as a guy like Bay. He is a league average hitter, but that's not a bad thing. The guy is a professional hitter, a good defender who can play multiple positions, he hits lefties extremely well, he hits with RISP. He's also signed at a reasonable salary for this year and next when we'll need someone to take Abreu's spot in RF.

I also definitely don't feel we overpaid. Tabata has alot of upside but in my mind is a big question mark. He's shown no power albeit coming off of hamate surgery. He's regressed terribly at the plate, his attitude and maturity level have definitely come into question this year. I'm seriously questioning whether he can ever be the type of player Nady is much less reach his ceiling.

NelsonMuntz

07-25-08, 07:34 PM

Nady has a .995 OPS away from home. He's a pretty good hitter. Last year he had an .833 OPS away from home.
Career OPS+ of 108. Ok, but nothing special. I just hope we don't look back on this trade in 4 years in horror as Tabata develops into a superstar.

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 07:34 PM

Nady can be out first baseman or rightfileder next year
If Nady has truly turned the corner in his career then he becomes a corner outfielder for the Yankees for the next 5-6 seasons. If Austin Jackson is our CF in 2010 then that leaves only one outfield position to worry about.

Masta Z

07-25-08, 07:34 PM

7:25pm: Ken Rosenthal confirms it: minor leaguers Ohlendorf, Coke, Kontos, and Tabata. My impression at first glance: the return is not terribly impressive for Nady and Marte. I don't like the idea of the Bucs taking Tabata as the centerpiece - there is too much projection involved with him. If Ohlendorf and Ian Kennedy could've been had, I would've opted for that.

Rosenthal also says the Yankees' talks for Jarrod Washburn are still ongoing.

southernNYYfan

07-25-08, 07:34 PM

I like this one, Tabata is a nutcase, too risky. Coke and Orlendorf, eh not that great. Kontos hurt but hey Nady & Marte are both real good and I'll take it...

KeithF40

07-25-08, 07:34 PM

mlb contracts says 08, how do you guys know its 09.

When I read the trade was made I was pretty sure it was yankees cause of the positions as alot of teams want nady but with marte also didnt think so.

Russ is never gonna be a star in the bullpen, the other 2 guys I dont know much about, and Tab idk I think its taking too long for him to come around and we are done with him.

I cannot believe we got these guys so cheap, I dont think marte is super important this year but is a great building block to build a stellar pen and take over for mo possibly in a few years.

I think Hawk and Christian are the ones to go down, def send down an OF and christian is worst and def send down a reliever and hawk is worst.

Good job cash, i gotta give you props on this one.

I normally dont like rental type players and these are only semi rental types as they will both most likely be back next year.

Nady is having best year of career but Im good with it. I actually like this guy alot for some odd reason cause Im normally a numbers man and besides this year this guys numbers are not that great.

YanksFan1992

07-25-08, 07:35 PM

Rosenthal is confirming it:

The Yankees are on the verge of acquiring outfielder Xavier Nady and left-hander Damaso Marte from the Pirates, according to major-league sources.

The deal is pending a review of medical records, sources say. The Pirates will receive a package of four minor-league players, expected to be Class AAA right-hander Ross Ohlendorf, Class AA right-handers Phil Coke and George Kontos and Class AA outfielder Jose Tabata.

The deal with the Pirates might not be the Yankees' last before Thursday's unrestricted trade deadline. The team also is pursuing Mariners left-hander Jarrod Washburn for its rotation, and the Mariners spoke with Washburn on Friday about waiving his no-trade clause to the Yankees, according to a major-league source.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8380066/Sources:-Yanks-strike-deal-for-Pirates'-Nady

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 07:35 PM

Career OPS+ of 108. Ok, but nothing special. I just hope we don't look back on this trade in 4 years in horror as Tabata develops into a superstar.
Sometimes, you just have to take chances and hope your baseball experts gave you sound advice. By the way, the Yankee are loaded with more promising outfielders in the lower minors.

BroadwayBomber55

07-25-08, 07:36 PM

But that makes our lineup 7 deep, then clear Molina and you have Melky/Gardner/Christian in the 9 hole
Hmmm?

Against LHP
1. Damon DH
2. Jeter SS
3. Abreu RF
4. A-Rod 3B
5. Cano 2B
6. Nady LF
7. Sexson 1B
8. Jose Molina C
9. Melky CF

Against RHP

1. Damon LF
2. Jeter SS
3. Abreu RF
4. A-Rod 3B
5. Cano 2B
6. Giambi 1B
7. Nady DH
8. Jose Molina C
9. Melky CF

a yankeesfan

07-25-08, 07:36 PM

Don't need Bruney anymore.

KeithF40

07-25-08, 07:36 PM

What does under team control mean and more so in Nadys case?

longtimeyankeefan

07-25-08, 07:37 PM

Personally, I love this deal.

How long were we going to hear about Tabata's potential? The Yankees have a plethora of OFers in their minor league system and can afford to let him go.

Russ Ohlendorf, IMO, is a throw in, as are the other two.

Personally, if I were a Pirates fan, I would be irate that the Pirates did not get more in this deal.

KeithF40

07-25-08, 07:37 PM

keep bruney i think he has some great stuff that might work out

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 07:37 PM

What does under team control mean and more so in Nadys case?
Nady doesn't have enough ML service time to be a free agent until the 2009 season is completed.

dont_ya_know24

07-25-08, 07:38 PM

do you think the yankees will resign marte, or take the picks?

NelsonMuntz

07-25-08, 07:38 PM

Sometimes, you just have to take chances and hope your baseball experts gave you sound advice. By the way, the Yankee are loaded with more promising outfielders in the lower minors.
Tabata was that "more promising outfielder" just a year ago. People gave up on him way too quick. I almost would have preferred that we dealt Kennedy. I really think Tabata is going to be special.

Trojan Pony

07-25-08, 07:38 PM

btw justtxyank, its "passed a diving Jeter ..."

:)
no, actually, you're wrong, it's "past".

great trade.

justtxyank

07-25-08, 07:38 PM

What does under team control mean and more so in Nadys case?

He does not have enough service time to be a free agent, so even if he isn't signed for 09, he is arbitration eligible for one more season.

THEBOSS84

07-25-08, 07:38 PM

Guys, we don't need stars at every position. Nady is a perfect role player for this team going forward.

I originally hated the deal. I absolutely love it now.

DEADSOX

07-25-08, 07:38 PM

I really like this move, it made me happy.

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 07:39 PM

Tabata was that "more promising outfielder" just a year ago. People gave up on him way too quick. I almost would have preferred that we dealt Kennedy. I really think Tabata is going to be special.
Well in due time, we'll find out who was right about him.

bennyc64

07-25-08, 07:39 PM

Hmmm?

Against LHP
1. Damon DH
2. Jeter SS
3. Abreu RF
4. A-Rod 3B
5. Cano 2B
6. Nady LF
7. Sexson 1B
8. Jose Molina C
9. Melky CF

Against RHP

1. Damon LF
2. Jeter SS
3. Abreu RF
4. A-Rod 3B
5. Cano 2B
6. Sexson 1B
7. Giambi DH
8. Jose Molina C
9. Melky CF

So Sexson plays against everyone and hits ahead of Giambi?

KeithF40

07-25-08, 07:39 PM

nah broadway nady over sexson against righties and dh damon.

Cheesyhoboe

07-25-08, 07:39 PM

do you think the yankees will resign marte, or take the picks?

Marte is likely to be a Type A agent. Picks, all the way.

Trojan Pony

07-25-08, 07:39 PM

Hmmm?

Against LHP
1. Damon DH
2. Jeter SS
3. Abreu RF
4. A-Rod 3B
5. Cano 2B
6. Nady LF
7. Sexson 1B
8. Jose Molina C
9. Melky CF

Against RHP

1. Damon LF
2. Jeter SS
3. Abreu RF
4. A-Rod 3B
5. Cano 2B
6. Sexson 1B
7. Giambi DH
8. Jose Molina C
9. Melky CF

Sexson against RHP?? No thank you! Put Giambi 6th, Nady 7th and I agree.

yankstaketitle

07-25-08, 07:40 PM

i think now washburn for cabera might happen

teknetic

07-25-08, 07:40 PM

Gob Rules

07-25-08, 07:40 PM

Ew, why are we going after Washburn?

dont_ya_know24

07-25-08, 07:40 PM

THEBOSS84

07-25-08, 07:40 PM

do you think the yankees will resign marte, or take the picks?

If Marte does for us what we hope he'll do for the rest of the year, we are picking up his option 100%

justtxyank

07-25-08, 07:41 PM

Ok, did Cashman make this deal? They just showed him on NESN sitting in Fenway Park. TBH, he didn't look very happy sitting on his cell phone.

nyctalopia

07-25-08, 07:41 PM

no, actually, you're wrong, it's "past".

great trade.
you're right. i'm wrong. apologies.

YanksFan1992

07-25-08, 07:42 PM

As time goes on, I'm even more excited with this trade.

Our bullpen is now absolutely stacked.

BroadwayBomber55

07-25-08, 07:42 PM

So Sexson plays against everyone and hits ahead of Giambi?

Sexson against RHP?? No thank you! Put Giambi 6th, Nady 7th and I agree.

Ooops. I got carried away. My bad. Sorry.

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 07:42 PM

Ew, why are we going after Washburn?
Because I don't think the Yankees are sure about Hughes and Wang helping them in September. If they can acquire him without giving up much in player value then you have a good 4th or 5th starter with WS and playoff experience.

dont_ya_know24

07-25-08, 07:42 PM

wasburn will probably happen since we just got nady. makes cabrera/gardner/christian too expendable.

teknetic

07-25-08, 07:43 PM

Ok, did Cashman make this deal? They just showed him on NESN sitting in Fenway Park. TBH, he didn't look very happy sitting on his cell phone.

The deal was probably ironed out in the morning or early afternoon. Cashman isn't pissed, that's how he always looks.

THEBOSS84

07-25-08, 07:43 PM

Hawkins, we hardly knew ye

justtxyank

07-25-08, 07:43 PM

I'd like them to hold onto Melky and Gardner. Melky can play CF for them and Gardner can run.

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 07:43 PM

Ok, did Cashman make this deal? They just showed him on NESN sitting in Fenway Park. TBH, he didn't look very happy sitting on his cell phone.
Cashman never looks happy. Abrahams says he was on his phone the entire drive up to Boston.

BroadwayBomber55

07-25-08, 07:43 PM

Don't need Bruney anymore.
Especially the way David Robertson is pitching so far.

Let Brian Bruney rest his foot.

As for Latroy Hawkins, it just didn't work out on the field.

Torre Must Go

07-25-08, 07:43 PM

So do we DFA Hawkins?

dont_ya_know24

07-25-08, 07:44 PM

Ok, did Cashman make this deal? They just showed him on NESN sitting in Fenway Park. TBH, he didn't look very happy sitting on his cell phone.

deal was probably discussed in tampa. could have been someone else's idea.

JavyVazquezIsSick

07-25-08, 07:44 PM

Cash is the man. I love how everyone was freaking out when he made some comments that implied he isn't going to make a trade.

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 07:44 PM

The deal was probably ironed out in the morning or early afternoon. Cashman isn't pissed, that's how he always looks.
Yup, he always looks like he's constipated.

Art Vanderlay

07-25-08, 07:44 PM

This was a trade that had to be made. I will not second guess it even if it doesn't work out.

dave8274

07-25-08, 07:45 PM

Hope I'm wrong, but if Tabata turns out to be a good player, this is a terrible trade. We didn't need to give up so much for an average outfielder, and we didn't need another reliever.

THEBOSS84

07-25-08, 07:45 PM

I wonder if there are any more non-Washburn moves up his sleeve.

dont_ya_know24

07-25-08, 07:45 PM

this could also make farnsworth expendable. bullpen is really, really good now.

Nova1

07-25-08, 07:46 PM

Tabata was that "more promising outfielder" just a year ago. People gave up on him way too quick. I almost would have preferred that we dealt Kennedy. I really think Tabata is going to be special.

exactly my thoughts. I would have preffered Kennedy too. I cant believe they dealt him (tabata) while his stock was low.

primetime714

07-25-08, 07:46 PM

jackson then who else??
DSL guys are far far away.

Almonte in Charleston.

BroadwayBomber55

07-25-08, 07:47 PM

Because I don't think the Yankees are sure about Hughes and Wang helping them in September. If they can acquire him without giving up much in player value then you have a good 4th or 5th starter with WS and playoff experience.
And also, if the Yankees acquire Jarrod Washburn and if Phil Hughes and Chien-Ming Wang comeback from injury and if Ian Kennedy regains form, what will the rotation be if the Yankees do make the playoffs?

1. Moose, 2. Andy Pettitte, 3. Joba Chamberlain, 4. Wang, 5. Washburn

Hughes and Kennedy in the pen?

KeithF40

07-25-08, 07:47 PM

Posada def should have surgery now, we dont want him at 1B/DH next year, we need him behind the plate. I'm thinking next year looks like this:

lf damon
cf melky
rf nady
1b tex
2b cano
ss jeter
3b arod
c posada 75 percent, someone else 25 percent, one of the molina bros prob
dh matsui
fourth outfielder will be gardner
util inf betemit
i wouldnt be against 3 catchers on this team(pos and the 2 molina bros)

joba hughes wang as starters
pen rivera veras ramirez marte farns kennedy someone else probably

looking very nice and this is without increasing payroll prob or if so very little

fellows

07-25-08, 07:47 PM

Marte is likely to be a Type A agent. Picks, all the way.

Marte has a 6 mil option for 09'. The Yankees would be fools not to pick it up and let Farns walk for picks.

yankeesAZ

07-25-08, 07:47 PM

How can you hate this deal? Nady isn't Holliday and Marte is better than Fuentes, but compared to what we'd be giving up to get that package to what we gave up to get this..I'm in love, and I adored Tabata.

Our bullpen looks sick now.

Looks like a good deal to me based on their stats. Don't know much about these two though. Guess we'll see how they handle going to NY.

mrmike98

07-25-08, 07:47 PM

The only place Tabata's a star is on this board.

This is a good deal.

KeithF40

07-25-08, 07:47 PM

broadway i think hughes/wash are the fifth starter, see who performs better and kennedy in pen definitely

1936-1939JoeNLou

07-25-08, 07:48 PM

Guys, we don't need stars at every position. Nady is a perfect role player for this team going forward.

I originally hated the deal. I absolutely love it now.

Me too.

dont_ya_know24

07-25-08, 07:48 PM

Almonte in Charleston.

meh, hasn't really done anything this year...

primetime714

07-25-08, 07:49 PM

Hope I'm wrong, but if Tabata turns out to be a good player, this is a terrible trade. We didn't need to give up so much for an average outfielder, and we didn't need another reliever.

Tabata has yet to show he can even be as good as Nady on the ML level. He's taken a step back in his development and has shown a poor attitude and a severe lack of maturity. He still has a ton of potential, but a lot has to go right in Tabata's development for this deal to come back and bite us. Nothing else we gave up in this deal is anything we'll lose sleep over (bottom rotation starters in the NL or setup men at best).

IMO this was a relative steal.

Gob Rules

07-25-08, 07:49 PM

Looks like a good deal to me based on their stats. Don't know much about these two though. Guess we'll see how they handle going to NY.

Nady already played in New York, with the Mets.

babyyanks89

07-25-08, 07:49 PM

if tabata ends up reaching his potential I am going to chop my head off

surge511

07-25-08, 07:49 PM

Great trade the more I think about it. When I first heard Tabata was involved, I was a little angry. However, Marte completely solidifies the bullpen, giving us the set-up type left hander we've been needing. And Nady seems to be that type of very solid role player that helps win championships. He hits with runners in scoring position, plays good defense, and hustles. Seems like a guy who can really help this team, and he is just coming into his prime at 29 years old. Hopefully his best years are ahead of him. Great trade Cash, the man who never gets hosed in trades.

NelsonMuntz

07-25-08, 07:50 PM

The only place Tabata's a star is on this board.

This is a good deal.
Yeah, ok. He wasn't in the Futures game last year or anything.

ajra21

07-25-08, 07:50 PM

i'd rather we have not done this deal but as it looks, it's ok. shame tabata has to go. don't mind giving up ohlendorf. coke is nothing special. heard good things about kontos.

what is marte's option next year? we don't lose picks for picking it up do we? am afraid this might be nady's best year but it does mean we've replaced abreu in right for next season with a right-handed bat. he's only making $3,350,000 this season. what is he taking home next year?

maybe i like this more than i first thought.

THEBOSS84

07-25-08, 07:50 PM

if tabata ends up reaching his potential I am going to chop my head off

That may be in 5 years, when you won't even give a crap by then.

BomberBrian

07-25-08, 07:50 PM

Why are people talking about Xavier Nady for next year?

primetime714

07-25-08, 07:51 PM

meh, hasn't really done anything this year...

True. However corner OF's are not difficult to acquire. We got Nady in this deal who is a solid player, not a world beater by any means but if we wanted to keep him beyond 2009 that wouldn't be a bad idea.

There are also almost always good corner OF's on the market. And with our minor league pitching depth we could always trade for positional talent.

Espinosa's Glasses

07-25-08, 07:51 PM

let us not forget that Nady tested positive
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.FOR GRIT
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THEBOSS84

07-25-08, 07:51 PM

if tabata ends up reaching his potential I am going to chop my head off

That may be in 5 years from now, when you don't even care anymore.

Nova1

07-25-08, 07:51 PM

Tabata has yet to show he can even be as good as Nady on the ML level.

IMO this was a relative steal.

You're kidding right. He's 19 years old!

ICEBERG18

07-25-08, 07:51 PM

I just hope we don't look back on this trade in 4 years in horror as Tabata develops into a superstar.

Hopefully De Leon, etc. can make up for that if Tabata does indeed turn into a superstar.

primetime714

07-25-08, 07:52 PM

Why are people talking about Xavier Nady for next year?

Because he won't be a free agent. Expect him to move into RF as we let Abreu walk.

THEBOSS84

07-25-08, 07:52 PM

Why are people talking about Xavier Nady for next year?

Apparently he is signed for next year.

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 07:52 PM

True. However corner OF's are not difficult to acquire. We got Nady in this deal who is a solid player, not a world beater by any means but if we wanted to keep him beyond 2009 that wouldn't be a bad idea.

There are also almost always good corner OF's on the market. And with our minor league pitching depth we could always trade for positional talent.
There you go. As long as the Yankees continue to stockpile pitching, they can acquire the necessary hitters.

justtxyank

07-25-08, 07:52 PM

Why are people talking about Xavier Nady for next year?

Because he'll be on the team next year as well

southernNYYfan

07-25-08, 07:52 PM

Cash might try and trade Hawkins for a single A level project tonight just to get something back IMO...

surge511

07-25-08, 07:53 PM

this could also make farnsworth expendable. bullpen is really, really good now.

I agree, especially after this year. I think Farns is too valuable to the team right now. However, with his 6 million coming off the books at the end of the year, Marte gives us a good safety net at the same price to step up and take his place.

NYCrusader

07-25-08, 07:53 PM

let us not forget that Nady tested positive
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.FOR GRIT
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As well as a .919 OPS good for 14 in the NL

lets not act like he is David Eckstien when it comes to the "grit" over actual talent

teknetic

07-25-08, 07:53 PM

I agree, especially after this year. I think Farns is too valuable to the team right now. However, with his 6 million coming off the books at the end of the year, Marte gives us a good safety net at the same price to step up and take his place.

Agreed, no way Farns gets traded at this point.

BomberBrian

07-25-08, 07:54 PM

Apparently he is signed for next year.

he's not signed for next year.

he will be arbitration eligible and i don't know that I would want to bring him back.

ajra21

07-25-08, 07:54 PM

wasburn will probably happen since we just got nady. makes cabrera/gardner/christian too expendable.

why does this make these guys expendable? melky has to play centre. suppose they could package the other two.

cash made a great deal for abreu to replace sheff. he's now made a decent trade to replace abreu. time will tell if this is a good or grat trade.

if tabata turns into what people predict, we might regret it. coke and ohlendorf probably won't do much for the pirates. kontos is an unknown with upside.

Masta Z

07-25-08, 07:54 PM

Cash might try and trade Hawkins for a single A level project tonight just to get something back IMO...maybe if we eat the salary

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 07:54 PM

Because he'll be on the team next year as well
If he produces then he could be on the team for the next 5 years or so.

dave8274

07-25-08, 07:54 PM

There you go. As long as the Yankees continue to stockpile pitching, they can acquire the necessary hitters.

Interesting that the main prospect they gave up in this trade was a poistion player.

fellows

07-25-08, 07:55 PM

Nady does not have 6 years of ML service. He can not become a FA until after 09'.

southernNYYfan

07-25-08, 07:55 PM

he's not signed for next year.

he will be arbitration eligible and i don't know that I would want to bring him back.

Him for 6 mil or Abreu (presumably) for $15???

nnysiny

07-25-08, 07:55 PM

absolutely love this trade:

-the Yankees get their first dominant lefty reliever, and can get some serious picks from him
-Ross didnt work out
-Nady is a significant improvement over Melky/Gardner
-i think Tabata is a bust. i was hoping he would get traded

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 07:56 PM

he's not signed for next year.

he will be arbitration eligible and i don't know that I would want to bring him back.
If he produces you will and he can be your rightfielder beyond 2009.

primetime714

07-25-08, 07:56 PM

You're kidding right. He's 19 years old!

Exactly he's 19 years old he still has a lot of development and there's a great chance he won't be the player we think he can be or even a ML at all. A lot more talented prospects have failed. I'm not saying he'll be bust, I do acknowledge his talent and potential, but I feel like a lot of things will have to go right for him to reach the ML level and be better than a solid ML like Nady. He certainly has the raw ability to be able to do that, but I'm ok with not taking that risk and taking the sure thing in Nady who can help us now and down the road if we choose to keep him for a while.

justtxyank

07-25-08, 07:56 PM

he's not signed for next year.

he will be arbitration eligible and i don't know that I would want to bring him back.

You wouldn't want to bring back a guy who is good for 20 homeruns and OPS+ over 100 for around 6 million dollars? A guy who can play 1st, LF, RF and even CF in a pinch? A guy who hits lefties well?

Who exactly are you trying to replace him with? Even if he's just the 4th outfielder or if you put him at first, he has a lot of value to a team. To the Yankees next year, he'd be a guy who can give you good production from the bottom 3 spots of the order.

cyhughes22

07-25-08, 07:56 PM

Tabata has yet to show he can even be as good as Nady on the ML level. He's taken a step back in his development and has shown a poor attitude and a severe lack of maturity. He still has a ton of potential, but a lot has to go right in Tabata's development for this deal to come back and bite us. Nothing else we gave up in this deal is anything we'll lose sleep over (bottom rotation starters in the NL or setup men at best).

IMO this was a relative steal.

I agree. Not to mention that character in a young player is a big part of determining whether or not he can succeed under the bright lights in the Bronx. Tabata hasn't shown great character thus far, nor has he shown the kind of improvement you typically expect in a young guy. I think he's a long way off regardless and Nady fits a specific need for this team for the next couple of years at least IMO. Also, Marte is one heck of a 2nd piece and can really only make an already strong bullpen better. If we can get Washburn and maybe get 2 of Hughes, Ike and Wang healthy this team has a good chance to make the playoffs and then do damage there.

ajra21

07-25-08, 07:57 PM

Cash might try and trade Hawkins for a single A level project tonight just to get something back IMO...

yeah? just to shift a guy we don't need for something?

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 07:57 PM

Interesting that the main prospect they gave up in this trade was a poistion player.
A prospect that has loss some significant value to what he was two years ago.

By the way, the Yankees were able to keep their crown jewels in pitching prospects too.

Cheesyhoboe

07-25-08, 07:57 PM

Uh... did anyone notice that lefties are hitting .255 against Marte this year? Pretty much everyone else in our bullpen has a lower BAA against lefties except for Farnsworth, and his is only higher by 3 points. (There's also Hawkins, but he's probably gone by tomorrow.)

teknetic

07-25-08, 07:58 PM

mrmike98

07-25-08, 07:59 PM

Yeah, ok. He wasn't in the Futures game last year or anything.

Here we go again, babe.

Have a little faith in Cashman and Damon.

Remember it's a bit dicey to project talent and Tabata has had a horrible year.

You'll get over this loss, babe.

Yankees1962

07-25-08, 07:59 PM

You wouldn't want to bring back a guy who is good for 20 homeruns and OPS+ over 100 for around 6 million dollars? A guy who can play 1st, LF, RF and even CF in a pinch? A guy who hits lefties well?

Who exactly are you trying to replace him with? Even if he's just the 4th outfielder or if you put him at first, he has a lot of value to a team. To the Yankees next year, he'd be a guy who can give you good production from the bottom 3 spots of the order.
I can't agree with you more.