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Metroidman
07-23-08, 02:45 PM
Jose Molina = 3.47 in 478.2 Innings caught
Jorge Posada = 4.61 in 234.1 Innings caught

I'm sure its just a statistical aberration but still
SandHut
07-23-08, 02:49 PM
Jose Molina = 3.47 in 478.2 Innings caught
Jorge Posada = 4.61 in 234.1 Innings caught

I'm sure its just a statistical aberration but still

Maybe not. Posada can't throw out any base stealers this year and he's not exactly Pudge Rodriguez when it comes to getting dirty and blocking balls in the dirt. Without having the actual statistics in front of me, I feel as though Posada definitely lets more runners advance than Molina. Anyway we don't have to worry about it since he's not catching anymore this year.
THEBOSS84
07-23-08, 02:56 PM
I think Posada does a terrible job at framing pitches as well. Nothing bothers me more than when there is a borderline high pitch and Posada will stand up while catching it, which is to say to the ump that even Posada thinks it's high.
Yankee Fan in Boston
07-23-08, 02:59 PM
Jose Molina = 3.47 in 478.2 Innings caught
Jorge Posada = 4.61 in 234.1 Innings caught

I'm sure its just a statistical aberration but still

Molina is a better catcher, and I am sure over time the staff would be better with him catching. But let's also remember that Jorge caught most of his innings early, when Hughes and Kennedy were pitching poorly, and Moose was as well. Some of this difference is related to how the staff was doing as well.
DEADSOX
07-23-08, 03:01 PM
Molina is sick at framing pitches. If would could only combine Posada and Molina into one super catcher.
SHORTSTOP 4 LIFE
07-23-08, 03:03 PM
Molina has "schooled" Posada defensively this year. I really don't see any room for him on the first base depth charts, if he insists on coming back. Hopefully Jorge will be a 100% next year.
Plus it'll be interesting to see the Red Sox are hesitant about giving Varitek a big long term contract now, since they're both in their late 30's and play a brutal position.
NYYDragoon
07-23-08, 03:04 PM
But let's also remember that Jorge caught most of his innings early, when Hughes and Kennedy were pitching poorly, and Moose was as well. Some of this difference is related to how the staff was doing as well.Excellent point. And to answer SandHut's question:

Jorge's thrown out 7 and has had 34 steal on him.
Molina's thrown out 26 and has had 27 steal on him.

Posada's numbers are also a little inflated since the league made it a point to run on him and test his shoulder.
SoCal Pinstriper
07-23-08, 03:05 PM
Some of this difference is related to how the staff was doing as well. That's a chicken/egg situation. How can you say that the under-performing staff wasn't due, at least in part, to poor catching (framing/pitch selection) on Jorge's part?

BTW, a run a game is massive, and hard to overcome with offensive production.
SandHut
07-23-08, 03:09 PM
Excellent point. And to answer SandHut's question:
Jorge's thrown out 7 and has had 34 steal on him.
Molina's thrown out 26 and has had 27 steal on him.Posada's numbers are also a little inflated since the league made it a point to run on him and test his shoulder.

Nice post. Agreed that the league tested Posada. But Molina is far more competent defensively. I also agree with one of the posters above that Posada has never been a great framer of pitches. Nor does he ever really snap throw to first or 2nd, which I have seen Molina do this year successfully and it really embarrasses the baserunners on the other team. If Molina could hit he'd be one hell of a catcher.
BxBomber44
07-23-08, 03:11 PM
Molina is sick at framing pitches. If would could only combine Posada and Molina into one super catcher.

named pudge about 5-9 years ago.
Yankee Fan in Boston
07-23-08, 03:14 PM
That's a chicken/egg situation. How can you say that the under-performing staff wasn't due, at least in part, to poor catching (framing/pitch selection) on Jorge's part?

BTW, a run a game is massive, and hard to overcome with offensive production.

Yeah, I thought about that too, and it may play into it, but it's not like Kennedy was that much better when Molina was out there. Like I said in my post, I have no doubt that the staff is better with Molina, I was just questioning the size of the gap
PinstripeDynasty
07-23-08, 03:57 PM
Jose Molina = 3.47 in 478.2 Innings caught
Jorge Posada = 4.61 in 234.1 Innings caught

I'm sure its just a statistical aberration but still

By any chance can you break that down by each pitcher? Also, include 2007. (If you're got nothing better to do. Thanks.)
Mr. Mxylsplk
07-23-08, 04:13 PM
But let's also remember that Jorge caught most of his innings early, when Hughes and Kennedy were pitching poorly, and Moose was as well. Some of this difference is related to how the staff was doing as well.
Actually Posada has caught almost none of Hughes and Kennedy's innings - 1 start for Hughes is it. He also caught only 1 of Moose's starts in April when Moose wasn't doing as well.
Yankees13
07-23-08, 04:17 PM
For one thing, a big chunk of Molina's innings caught are for Mussina, our best pitcher. Secondly, Molina is better defensively, but that difference has been magnified this season with Posada's injury problems.
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