View Full Version : Source: Yankees likely to make trades and 'make a run'
So you trade the center-piece of the Sheff deal (that was loved by all around here) for a chance at two draft picks. I guess a lot of you have soured on Humberto, and I understand that considering his age and health. Secondly, Bruney coming back will lead to the DFA of Hawkins. Obtaining Fuentes will rid our team of a long man (Giese).
Fuentes is better than Giese and Bruney. And I take 2 top round draft picks over Sanchez.
Or a chance to come up empty in that regard.
Yes, but I think the chance of Sanchez hurting again is higher.
THEBOSS84
07-23-08, 03:27 PM
Fuentes is better than Giese and Bruney. And I take 2 top round draft picks over Sanchez.
Trading for Fuentes in order to get picks is something I'm fond of.
Especially if we lose our first round pick after signing one of the big boys this offseason.
Brick Tamland
07-23-08, 03:27 PM
The word from the media sources out in Colorado is that Holliday isnt on the trading block.
He's on the block for the right price. They can't sign him, he has to be available if they are offered a good enough deal.
Art Vanderlay
07-23-08, 03:27 PM
Yes, but you make arguments that don't make sense.
Thats funny coming from you.
Yankees1962
07-23-08, 03:28 PM
He's on the block for the right price. They can't sign him, he has to be available if they are offered a good enough deal.
The Yankees won't be offereing a good enough deal unless they're going to include Jackson and/or Hughes.
Yankees1962
07-23-08, 03:29 PM
Yes, but I think the chance of Sanchez hurting again is higher.
I can understand why some of you are down on Sanchez. I'm just not sure that Fuentes will perform well here.
Brick Tamland
07-23-08, 03:30 PM
They're probably willing to wait until next year. it seemed more logical anyway, considering they are not completely out of it this year...mostly, yes, but not completely. They could get a better haul next year.
Why would they get a better haul next year. The guy will be a rent-a-player going to FA with Boris as his agent. His value is highest now because he is under contract for another season.
metalboy15
07-23-08, 03:31 PM
The Yankees won't be offereing a good enough deal unless they're going to include Jackson and/or Hughes.
Something they won't do.
YESSIR!
07-23-08, 03:33 PM
Re: Draft Picks after Fuentes walks
If we are willing to deal for the guy because we like him so much, why wouldn't we try to resign him before he hits FA? We have no lefty relievers after all.
BonusCantos
07-23-08, 03:33 PM
There's no real need for Fuentes. Bruney is supposedly close, and he will displace Hawkins. After that, there are a lot of very good ERAs.
Re: Draft Picks after Fuentes walks
If we are willing to deal for the guy because we like him so much, why wouldn't we try to resign him before he hits FA? We have no lefty relievers after all.
Yeah, but we have very good righty relievers who don't cost anything and are good at getting both right-handed and left-handed hitters out. We also have even better (supposedly) relievers seasoning in the minors.
Thus, Fuentes' value is almost entirely in his ability to net us two top draft picks. Especially, since as was said before, we WILL be signing some free agents this offseason, and losing picks.
Deep Purple
07-23-08, 03:37 PM
They can't sign him
It's not that they can't sign him, it's that they won't. They have no intention of paying him because the Monforts are in the camp of owners who run their team like a business first, with winning being a very distant second. They're happy to keep the payroll down, collect welfare checks from MLB (I think they call them revenue sharing dollars, whatever) and line their pockets.
They'll make a token offer for the sake of public display that they know good and well will be rejected. Then they'll trot out the Hampton/Neagle disaster of seven years ago as an excuse and drop little comments here and there about Holliday's not wanting to stay.
Same old song and dance.
YESSIR!
07-23-08, 03:41 PM
Why would they get a better haul next year. The guy will be a rent-a-player going to FA with Boris as his agent. His value is highest now because he is under contract for another season.
Good point.
YESSIR!
07-23-08, 03:43 PM
Yeah, but we have very good righty relievers who don't cost anything and are good at getting both right-handed and left-handed hitters out. We also have even better (supposedly) relievers seasoning in the minors.
Thus, Fuentes' value is almost entirely in his ability to net us two top draft picks. Especially, since as was said before, we WILL be signing some free agents this offseason, and losing picks.
Right on, but if CO is asking for one of our top prospects in exchange for Fuentes, why take the risk? If they ask for someone who our organization doesn't think too highly of then it makes sense, but if they ask for a potential impact player I think it's a wash.
THEBOSS84
07-23-08, 03:45 PM
Heyman:
• Yankees minor league-shortstop Alberto Gonzalez might become an option for the Dodgers if they can't land the Pirates' Jack Wilson or another more established shortstop like David Eckstein.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/07/23/heyman.nady/index.html?eref=T1
I want Andy LaRoche. Gonzalez and Kennedy for Andy
primetime714
07-23-08, 03:47 PM
And I take 2 top round draft picks over Sanchez.
I would too, but I don't believe that Colorado is scouting Sanchez as anything more than part of the deal for Fuentes. Can you really see the Rox doing Fuentes for Sanchez straight up?
Heyman:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/07/23/heyman.nady/index.html?eref=T1
I want Andy LaRoche. Gonzalez and Kennedy for Andy
LMAO...in your dreams. What positions can Andy play besides 3B?
THEBOSS84
07-23-08, 03:49 PM
LMAO...in your dreams. What positions can Andy play besides 3B?
I would assume 1b.
I would assume 1b.
Yeah, on baseballreference it looks like his secondary position is 1B and he's even played, very limited, 2B.
THEBOSS84
07-23-08, 03:50 PM
Some Yankee related info from Rosenthal in here regarding catcher and Washburn:
http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/8371098/Posada-injury-forces-Yanks-to-find-catching
primetime714
07-23-08, 03:50 PM
Yeah, but we have very good righty relievers who don't cost anything and are good at getting both right-handed and left-handed hitters out. We also have even better (supposedly) relievers seasoning in the minors.
Thus, Fuentes' value is almost entirely in his ability to net us two top draft picks. Especially, since as was said before, we WILL be signing some free agents this offseason, and losing picks.
That's exactly why we shouldn't trade for Fuentes in the first place. If his greatest value to us is the ability to net us 2 draft picks next year, he isn't worth what it will cost as the Rox aren't giving him up for prospects that they deem less valuable or just as valuable as 2 draft picks.
Ya know, Andy LaRoche is actually interesting since the Dodgers have a bit of a logjam at third now that Blake DeWitt has been doing so well in his call-up. Maybe we could net DeWitt in a package including Gonzalez. I'm not sure DeWitt can really play anything but 3rd base though. LaRoche definitely has spent enough time at 1B to be a legitimate fielder there.
YESSIR!
07-23-08, 03:56 PM
Ya know, Andy LaRoche is actually interesting since the Dodgers have a bit of a logjam at third now that Blake DeWitt has been doing so well in his call-up. Maybe we could net DeWitt in a package including Gonzalez. I'm not sure DeWitt can really play anything but 3rd base though. LaRoche definitely has spent enough time at 1B to be a legitimate fielder there.
What's the deal with LaRoche? I don't know anything about him, but his numbers are terrible.
What's the deal with LaRoche? I don't know anything about him, but his numbers are terrible.
He put up HUGE power numbers in the minors, while hitting for average and getting on base a lot. He's still a huge prospect even though his minor league numbers haven't translated to the majors yet.
THEBOSS84
07-23-08, 03:58 PM
What's the deal with LaRoche? I don't know anything about him, but his numbers are terrible.
Brother of Pirate Adam
Very highly touted prospect who has been killed by the injury bug.
themgmt
07-23-08, 03:59 PM
Heyman:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/07/23/heyman.nady/index.html?eref=T1
I want Andy LaRoche. Gonzalez and Kennedy for Andy
He has no position on the Yankees and if the Yankees plan on contending they can't have a 1B with 650 OPS while he learns to hit ML pitching. Especially not for Kennedy. It'd be interesting to see how he does though, just not with the Yankees.
primetime714
07-23-08, 03:59 PM
Heyman:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/07/23/heyman.nady/index.html?eref=T1
I want Andy LaRoche. Gonzalez and Kennedy for Andy
If the Dodgers want Gonzalez, trade him for whatever we can get. We don't have any need for Gonzalez unless Jeter goes down, but if that happens we're screwed anyway.
I don't know the Dodgers system too well other than their top guys, but I'd take pretty much any relatively high potential low level player for Gonzalez.
YESSIR!
07-23-08, 03:59 PM
Gotcha, thanks guys.
THEBOSS84
07-23-08, 04:01 PM
He has no position on the Yankees and if the Yankees plan on contending they can't have a 1B with 650 OPS while he learns to hit ML pitching. Especially not for Kennedy. It'd be interesting to see how he does though, just not with the Yankees.
LaRoche wouldn't have to be a 2008-centered acquisition, ya know.
LaRoche wouldn't have to be a 2008-centered acquisition, ya know.
Yeah if we got LaRoche, I would NOT sign Teixeira...bring Giambi back for one more year and have LaRoche come up when he's ready, platoon him with Giambi for half a year and then have him start full-time in 2010.
fellows
07-23-08, 04:04 PM
Fuentes could sign with some bad team and net the Yankees two second round picks in the MLB draft not NFL. A draft that has 50 rounds. The pick could be Joba or C.J Henry. Sheff for 2nd rounders doesn't sound good. If they knew Sanchez was hurt when they traded for him they shouldn't bail on him now. Prospects may be overrated on this board but not nearly as much as draft pick comp.
THEBOSS84
07-23-08, 04:04 PM
Yeah if we got LaRoche, I would NOT sign Teixeira...bring Giambi back for one more year and have LaRoche come up when he's ready, platoon him with Giambi for half a year and then have him start full-time in 2010.
Exactly.
Cash in some RHP prospects for position prospects.
themgmt
07-23-08, 04:06 PM
Yeah if we got LaRoche, I would NOT sign Teixeira...bring Giambi back for one more year and have LaRoche come up when he's ready, platoon him with Giambi for half a year and then have him start full-time in 2010.
So pass on Tex in favor of LaRoche (True 3B), give up Kennedy with the off chance LaRoche can rake in 2010? Seems like a stretch
So pass on Tex in favor of LaRoche (True 3B), give up Kennedy with the off chance LaRoche can rake in 2010? Seems like a stretch
Yeah, I probably would be inclined to stay pat and sign Teixeira...but this way certainly is a LOT cheaper.
themgmt
07-23-08, 04:12 PM
I'd be more inclined to try it if he was a true 1B. Also, if I was sure he could hit enough for a 1B (he might, he might not), I'd also consider a trade. Not for Kennedy though
Yankees1962
07-23-08, 04:16 PM
Fuentes could sign with some bad team and net the Yankees two second round picks in the MLB draft not NFL. A draft that has 50 rounds. The pick could be Joba or C.J Henry. Sheff for 2nd rounders doesn't sound good. If they knew Sanchez was hurt when they traded for him they shouldn't bail on him now. Prospects may be overrated on this board but not nearly as much as draft pick comp.
That was my point too. It will come down to what value the Yankees place on Sanchez and how much they think they need Fuentes.
dont_ya_know24
07-23-08, 04:16 PM
gonzo and kennedy for kemp make it happen cash.
I prefer a pitcher. I have more confidence in Melky & Molina than Ponson & Rasner for the long haul.
Damn, imagine if we still had Wang along with Chamberlain, Pettitte, and Mussina. Ugh.
Rasner worries me (mainly b/c I think he's hitting an "innings wall"), but I'm oddly confident that Ponson is going to continue to be solid for us. He seems to have rediscovered his sinker, and he is definitely a guy who seems to step it up when he gets in trouble. Picking up a scrap heap backup starter wouldn't be a bad idea, I guess, but I think as far as "splash" trades the only one that really makes sense is Holliday, and I'm not even sure I think we need him bad enough to give up what we'd have to give up.
Cheesyhoboe
07-23-08, 04:18 PM
LaRoche has been up and down from the majors to AAA for a reason. He still hasn't been able to hit yet in the majors consistently, and until he does so he's still an unproven prospect. His power numbers are down this year, too.
JeffWeaverFan
07-23-08, 04:56 PM
Ugh...Fuentes is fine but the Bullpen has been so good lately, it's just not an area of need on this team right now.
Completely agree. Fuentes would be a luxury. This team has real needs that need to be addressed before a luxury.
JeffWeaverFan
07-23-08, 04:57 PM
Its not that I dont love Sanchez
But its a chance at another Gerritt Cole and Joba vs Sanchez
There is a strong believe throughout the industry that Fuentes will simply accept arbitration.
Enough of these rumors, I think we need to call upon an expert. Oh Bobcat where are you
http://www.richwooders.com/appalachian/wildlife/copyright/bobcat.jpg
Brick Tamland
07-23-08, 05:08 PM
Completely agree. Fuentes would be a luxury. This team has real needs that need to be addressed before a luxury.
Yeah I mean, I'm not assuming to be a more intelligent baseball mind than Brian Cashman, and I know the team doesn't have a lefty out of the pen, but there is glaring hole here and it's a corner outfielder. Adding a nice relief pitcher to one of the strongest bullpens in all of baseball just seems kind of...
Deep Purple
07-23-08, 05:12 PM
There is a strong believe throughout the industry that Fuentes will simply accept arbitration.
Maybe, but it seems like he's intent on being a closer and will likely hit the market if a team plans to use him as a set up man.
Enough of these rumors, I think we need to call upon an expert. Oh Bobcat where are you
http://www.richwooders.com/appalachian/wildlife/copyright/bobcat.jpg
Now youre thinking like a GM.
NYDCYankee
07-23-08, 05:19 PM
Enough of these rumors, I think we need to call upon an expert. Oh Bobcat where are you
http://www.richwooders.com/appalachian/wildlife/copyright/bobcat.jpg
He lives in all of our hearts.
Zimmers' Helmet
07-23-08, 05:27 PM
Enough of these rumors, I think we need to call upon an expert. Oh Bobcat where are you
http://www.richwooders.com/appalachian/wildlife/copyright/bobcat.jpg
ROTFLMAO!!
He's baaack!!
McMoose
07-23-08, 05:37 PM
I'm not sure we do need a corner outfielder. Why not put Damon out there and go and get someone like Aubrey Huff to DH. He's a guy who would more than likely produce at a high level but not really cost all that much prospect-wise. He could DH and play a little first and left field, Damon could play left and DH a little, and Giambi and Sexson could rotate playing at first and DH'ing.
Good idea, right?
Brick Tamland
07-23-08, 06:55 PM
I'm not sure we do need a corner outfielder. Why not put Damon out there and go and get someone like Aubrey Huff to DH. He's a guy who would more than likely produce at a high level but not really cost all that much prospect-wise. He could DH and play a little first and left field, Damon could play left and DH a little, and Giambi and Sexson could rotate playing at first and DH'ing.
Good idea, right?
That's not a long term solution though. Damon will be gone after next season and as good as he's been this season he is not going to knock in 110 RBI and hit you 30 HRs like a stud LF or RF would. And Damon plays a crap OF, let's be honest, his arm is pathetic. Huff is a good player, but he's 31. I don't know what his contract looks like but I'm tired of this team bringing in aging veterans. Quit dicking around and get a superstar if you have the means.
NYDCYankee
07-23-08, 07:39 PM
I wonder what it would take to get Jeremy Guthrie from the O's. He has been quite good the past year and a half.
themgmt
07-23-08, 07:44 PM
I wonder what it would take to get Jeremy Guthrie from the O's. He has been quite good the past year and a half.
O's aren't trading Guthrie supposedly
with the hot streak Oppenheimer and Cash have been on lately, I'd think you'd get at least one very good prospect with those 2 picks.But is Sanchez already one good prospect, and maybe a year away from the big leagues? Has Humberto's stock gone down that much?
hongchihkuo
07-23-08, 08:12 PM
Kennedy, Igawa, and Alberto Gonzalez to the Dodgers for Kuo and Hu.
dont_ya_know24
07-23-08, 08:20 PM
Kennedy, Igawa, and Alberto Gonzalez to the Dodgers for Kuo and Hu.
Hu?
it was going to be said sooner or later.
KeithF40
07-23-08, 09:34 PM
The real untouchables list, barring any tremendous deal, should be Hughes, AJ, Mel, and Miranda.
IPK is a 2-3 pitcher if he gets healthy and plays to expectations. Rest of the minors is hit or miss, I think the four I mentioned are most likely hit.
ArodMVP217
07-24-08, 12:11 AM
Of course, but let me ask you this:
If it's 11:59 on July 31st and the only package O'Dowd is willing to accept involves Jackson, what would you say?
why? they have fowler. why would it be essential they want Jackson? we all agree that jackson should be untouchable in a deal that would get a 1.38 yr rental, but maybe he doesn't even have to be deemed untouchable... we have so many other prospects.
Methinks we should do business with Texas and get some combination of Bradley, Ramirez and Cruz
Nelson Cruz is a 28 yr old minor leaguer currently leading the minors with 32 jacks (tied) he will be up for waivers at teh end of the yr, so it shouldn't take much. has cannon for an arm and has good speed for RF (right handed) in Olahoma is .338/.441/.709
Max Ramirez was the YS in the futures game, good defensive catcher and one of four catchers that Texas could potentially use full time, so, really we could deal for Saltalamacchia too or tailor or gerald, was mashing the minors .363/.457/.662
Texas would prolly want some major league ready pitching as well as low minors pitching such as a Kennedy, Horne, Pope/Heredia, Betamit for Max Ramirez, Nelson Cruz
The big orginizational meeting is supposedly happening today according to Bill Madden. I dont think anything immediate will come out of it but hopefully the FO will come away from this meeting with a plan on how to approach the deadline, who to target and what our limits will be. My guess though is that the Steinbrenners and Levine will be willing to go a lot further than Cash.
YESSIR!
07-24-08, 08:15 AM
Well, they only have a week to go, so they better get get moving.
Art Vanderlay
07-24-08, 08:21 AM
The big orginizational meeting is supposedly happening today according to Bill Madden. I dont think anything immediate will come out of it but hopefully the FO will come away from this meeting with a plan on how to approach the deadline, who to target and what our limits will be. My guess though is that the Steinbrenners and Levine will be willing to go a lot further than Cash.
Hopefully they come to a concensus of trading some of the surpluss pitching in the system for position players who can help this year and beyond. Down in AAA they have Kennedy, McCutchen, Acves, and Cox that are close to being ready (I didn't include Horne because he's hurt). There simply isn't room for all of them and the pitchers at the low levels. One or two from that group should land you a decent position player.
aeromac76
07-24-08, 08:33 AM
The real untouchables list, barring any tremendous deal, should be Hughes, AJ, Mel, and Miranda.
IPK is a 2-3 pitcher if he gets healthy and plays to expectations. Rest of the minors is hit or miss, I think the four I mentioned are most likely hit.
I would disagree about Miranda and would add Montero and Betances to the nearly untradeable list.
THEBOSS84
07-24-08, 08:36 AM
I hope the FO doesn't look at the current run and think moves don't need to be made. This team is truly a hitter + Wang away from championship caliber.
The real untouchables list, barring any tremendous deal, should be Hughes, AJ, Mel, and Miranda.
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The untouchable list should be Hughes, AJ, and Montero.
I would trade Miranda easily. He really has no place on the Yankees.
CyYoung4Vazquez
07-24-08, 09:04 AM
Call it a hunch but I think they make a play for Lo Duca.
4bronxbombers
07-24-08, 09:05 AM
I hope the FO doesn't look at the current run and think moves don't need to be made. This team is truly a hitter + Wang away from championship caliber.
That's my fear too - esp when they're on a winning streak.
vin777b
07-24-08, 09:05 AM
Hughes, AJ, Montero.
have to add Melancon, to the list as well.
I would definitely move Kennedy, Betances, Tabata, in the right trade. For example, Holiday. However, they will demand the players on the untouchable list.
Brick Tamland
07-24-08, 09:08 AM
Miranda isn't an untouchable piece by any stretch.
Yankee Fan in Boston
07-24-08, 09:15 AM
I hope the FO doesn't look at the current run and think moves don't need to be made. This team is truly a hitter + Wang away from championship caliber.
I actually think it makes them more likely to make a deal, as they really have a chance at the division... I'd still prefer no deal to giving too much away though...
pleasepassthesoup
07-24-08, 09:18 AM
Call it a hunch but I think they make a play for Lo Duca.
Well, the Star Ledgar says they're looking at him, among other options:
"Word as of Wednesday afternoon was that the Yankees were looking everywhere for a catcher. Worried that Jose Molina might not be built to hold up the rest of the way as an everyday starter, they have checked in on a number of possibilities, including Texas' Gerald Laird, Washington's Paul Lo Duca, Kansas City's Miguel Olivo and Toronto's Rod Barajas"
http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2008/07/ny_yankees_in_the_market_for_a.html
edit: on a side note, Lo Duca's been pretty atrocious this year.
Brick Tamland
07-24-08, 09:23 AM
I actually think it makes them more likely to make a deal, as they really have a chance at the division... I'd still prefer no deal to giving too much away though...
I agree. As much as I'd like to see Matt Holliday or Jason Bay come here, if the asking price is too exorbitant (i.e. Phil Hughes or Robbie Cano) you have to pass. I am of the opinion the right deal can be worked out for one of the two without trading either Hughes or Cano. Hope I am right.
NelsonMuntz
07-24-08, 09:51 AM
Call it a hunch but I think they make a play for Lo Duca.
I'm sure we could have him. He's awful and the Nationals aren't going to be in contention anytime soon. They'd probably love to move him. Then again, this is the organization that just gave Cristian Guzman a contract extension so apparently they like holding on to awful players.
cupcollector99
07-24-08, 10:02 AM
I would rather the team miss the playoffs than make a deal for an overaged, overpaid player just to get there. The Yankees are on a great roll and busting up the team or mortgaging the future for another first round exit will not work.
I expect the starting pitching to hit a few bumps from now until then so it might make sense to get a fill-in guy for a few "prospects", but nobody high.
ShaneTravis
07-24-08, 10:57 AM
Paul La Duca offers nothing that Chad and Molina can't handle.
Now, Laird is another story.
wang+cano=future
07-24-08, 11:39 AM
I just don't want Melancon, Jackson or Montero traded........
vin777b
07-24-08, 11:52 AM
I just don't want Melancon, Jackson or Montero traded........
word. You cannot trade any, of those. And would have to add Hughes, to the list.
THEBOSS84
07-24-08, 11:54 AM
There's no way I put Melancon on the untouchable list.
Prison Mike
07-24-08, 11:56 AM
What exactly has Melancon done to make him untouchable?
scooterfan
07-24-08, 12:16 PM
What exactly has Melancon done to make him untouchable?
Here are the numbers:
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Mark%20Melancon&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453343
His WHIP at Trenton is under 1, and his ground-out/all other outs ratio is over two.
He throws a low to mid 90s FB, and has a plus curve, and was the premier closer in the 2006 draft:
http://yankees.scout.com/2/537533.html
He's doing all this after having TJ surgery 10/31/06 (less than 2 years)
He's the one guy among all the power arms we have that projects to be an elite closer.
JohnnyDamonfan
07-24-08, 12:34 PM
The real untouchables list, barring any tremendous deal, should be Hughes, AJ, Mel, and Miranda.
IPK is a 2-3 pitcher if he gets healthy and plays to expectations. Rest of the minors is hit or miss, I think the four I mentioned are most likely hit.
What about Chamberlain ya gotta add him to the list. Since you mentioned Hughes and he's played in the majors I feel as if you mean Hughes should be on the untouchables list while Joba shouldn't. Joba should be the top guy on the untouchables list. I think Horne might be a hit. And Tabata I don't know we do need a young right fielder so if we can get a better young right fielder for him in a package it might be good. The Untouchables list for me is: Joba, Hughes, A -Jax and Horne. Any others as long as we get someone better for what we're giving away I got no problem with it.
Brick Tamland
07-24-08, 12:39 PM
What about Chamberlain ya gotta add him to the list. Since you mentioned Hughes and he's played in the majors I feel as if you mean Hughes should be on the untouchables list while Joba shouldn't. Joba should be the top guy on the untouchables list. I think Horne might be a hit. And Tabata I don't know we do need a young right fielder so if we can get a better young right fielder for him in a package it might be good. The Untouchables list for me is: Joba, Hughes, A -Jax and Horne. Any others as long as we get someone better for what we're giving away I got no problem with it.
You are right, but I think the Yankees have made it very clear to everyone in baseball Joba Chamberlain will not be included as a part of any trade. I don't even view him as a prospect anymore, he is legit.
Matsui-San
07-24-08, 12:42 PM
What about Chamberlain ya gotta add him to the list. Since you mentioned Hughes and he's played in the majors I feel as if you mean Hughes should be on the untouchables list while Joba shouldn't. Joba should be the top guy on the untouchables list.
Joba's already entrenched in the rotation. He's no longer a prospect, and given his performance, I think it goes without saying that he's not going to be involved in any trades.
JohnnyDamonfan
07-24-08, 01:52 PM
You are right, but I think the Yankees have made it very clear to everyone in baseball Joba Chamberlain will not be included as a part of any trade. I don't even view him as a prospect anymore, he is legit.
Really? Then at what point is someone not a prospect any more? I would think that Hughes was about as legit as Joba. Let's see he was here since about early 2007. He almost pitched a no hitter against the Rangers . Helped us win a game in the playoffs. I really don't know but wouldn't a guy on the team for a Year in a half not count as a prospect? And Hughes probably would be entrenched in the rotation too if he hadn't gone on the DL.
Yankee Fan in Boston
07-24-08, 01:54 PM
Really? Then at what point is someone not a prospect any more? I would think that Hughes was about as legit as Joba. Let's see he was here since about early 2007. He almost pitched a no hitter against the Rangers . Helped us win a game in the playoffs. I really don't know but wouldn't a guy on the team for a Year in a half not count as a prospect? And Hughes probably would be entrenched in the rotation too if he hadn't gone on the DL.
I'd say there are a couple differences -- Joba has proven himself at this level -- Hughes still needs to (and I think he will). Also, Joba is a top of the rotation guy for us now -- that makes trading him for a playoff push problematic, because you are weakening your rotation to get stronger in another area - not the kind of thing you want to do at this time of year.
wang+cano=future
07-24-08, 03:14 PM
word. You cannot trade any, of those. And would have to add Hughes, to the list.
I meant in terms of prospects....But in terms of players I would add Hughes and Joba.
BobbyMeacham's glove
07-24-08, 05:01 PM
All these dang reporters who claim inside knowlegde these days, it's all BS.
Anyone, I mean anyone these days can claim anything on a trade rumor and have ZERO accountability.
Seems like every year the Yankees get mentioned in almost any trade. GM's talk to each other all the time, it means nothing, except cheap ways for these newspapers to sell papers and drive visitors to their websites.
Believe nothing until you see it happen. Granted, Yankee management will deny anything is going on, even if the player is suited up an hits a game winning home run for the team that night, it will still take them 3 days to announce the acquisition.
:D:D:D
THEBOSS84
07-24-08, 10:20 PM
Hank:
Hank Steinbrenner declined to get into specifics about potential trades, but said "there's a couple things that might be promising."
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3503613
Prison Mike
07-24-08, 10:31 PM
Here are the numbers:
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Mark%20Melancon&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453343
His WHIP at Trenton is under 1, and his ground-out/all other outs ratio is over two.
He throws a low to mid 90s FB, and has a plus curve, and was the premier closer in the 2006 draft:
http://yankees.scout.com/2/537533.html
He's doing all this after having TJ surgery 10/31/06 (less than 2 years)
He's the one guy among all the power arms we have that projects to be an elite closer.
All of that is true, but no reliever should be considered "untouchable" in any organization.
dont_ya_know24
07-24-08, 10:49 PM
does melancon project to be a closer for the yanks? (after mo)
metalboy15
07-24-08, 10:55 PM
does melancon project to be a closer for the yanks? (after mo)
Yes.
From BA's '08 Handbook:
... With Mariano Rivera signed for three more seasons, Melancon has time to develop, and the Yankees see him as Rivera's eventual successor.
From what I've seen (spring training) and read, his pitches are showing flashes of being at their pre-surgery level this year.
Here's his scouting report from the time of the '06 draft:
A heavy college workload, particularly on a struggling 2006 team, finally caught up to Melancon, clouding an otherwise rosy draft picture for one of the best arms available. He set an Arizona freshman record in 2004, pitching in 29 games as he helped the Wildcats to the College World Series, and set a single-season record with 11 saves in 2005. His team struggled this season, though, with Melancon working longer stints to try to stretch a thin pitching staff. He had not pitched since feeling elbow pain April 7, and an MRI exam revealed a strained elbow ligament. He doesn't need surgery but he was not expected to pitch again before the draft. Melancon showed scouts plenty before getting hurt, sitting in the 92-95 mph range with good life on his fastball. He can pitch up in the zone with his heater to set up a 12-to-6 downer curve, a power pitch that at times sits in the 84-85 mph range. The delivery that helps create the quality power stuff also put stress on his elbow, though, and limits him to a future in the bullpen. If he can show he's healthy, Melancon could be the first college closer drafted, as early as late in the first round.
genius-24
07-24-08, 10:58 PM
Im hoping Humberto also comes near there but he still has long way to go.
dont_ya_know24
07-24-08, 11:07 PM
Yes.
From the BA '08 Handbook:
From what I've seen (spring training) and read, his pitches are showing flashes of being at their pre-surgery level this year.
Here's his scouting report from the time of the '06 draft:
sweet thanks.
yes, humberto when healthy has closer stuff too.
metalboy15
07-24-08, 11:16 PM
Some videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH4WMbzjyb0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf2vCdgAnD4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUTAPulOgto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxPAs3746Wo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PScXIlOCzQ
MattUNC2003
07-24-08, 11:32 PM
All of that is true, but no reliever should be considered "untouchable" in any organization.
So, would you consider Mo trade-able under that logic? I think that, no matter what position they play, there are certain talents that need to be held onto. Melancon is one of them.
I also nominate Brackman as untouchable. For the same reasons that Betances is. And Brackman has potentially better stuff.
1936-1939JoeNLou
07-25-08, 03:31 AM
Betances has the coolest name in the world.
Delin aint so shabby either.
themgmt
07-25-08, 07:35 AM
So, would you consider Mo trade-able under that logic? I think that, no matter what position they play, there are certain talents that need to be held onto. Melancon is one of them.
I also nominate Brackman as untouchable. For the same reasons that Betances is. And Brackman has potentially better stuff.
I'd ship any one of them out for Holliday
Brick Tamland
07-25-08, 07:46 AM
I'd ship any one of them out for Holliday
Or both of them.
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