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BennyTheJetRodriguez
07-08-08, 03:59 AM
My bad if there is another thread about him or a better place to put this, but i want Jason Bay. The Bucks are shopping him because they want McCutchen and McLouth to be in LF and CF respectively in 2009. They need young pitching, which we have. They are also dead last in MLB in stolen bases, so Gardner may interest them as a 4th OFer or if they are willing to move Nady to 1B and McLouth to RF. Also Jose Bautista, ADDam LaRoche, Freddy Sanchez, and Jack Wilson have ALL been terrible against right handed pitching, so Betemit may entice them as well.
If the Yankees were to do this then can then turn around and flip Abreu for some of the pieces they lost. Arizona for example is desperate for offense and has several quality relievers.
apalradio
07-08-08, 05:49 AM
Sounds like we're ultimately flipping Abreu for Bay, then swapping some utility players for other utility players. I don't know if it really accomplishes much, except for altering the team dynamic. Not that THAT would be a bad thing.
JavyVazquezIsSick
07-08-08, 08:06 AM
Yeah, I wanted him last offseason, figuring he was undervalued due to his 07' season. He'd be a great pickup.
JavyVazquezIsSick
07-08-08, 08:07 AM
Sounds like we're ultimately flipping Abreu for Bay, then swapping some utility players for other utility players. I don't know if it really accomplishes much, except for altering the team dynamic. Not that THAT would be a bad thing.
That's a gigantic upgrade right there.
themgmt
07-08-08, 08:20 AM
If Matsui doesn't come back, it would be perfect. He can DH for the remainder of this year.. And take over for Abreu next year
Or just in general, if Matsui doesn't come back the Yankees need another bat. I think they could survive with Damon at DH, except that means Melky will stay in center instead of the better performer of Melky and Gardner taking that role
yankeeman61
07-08-08, 08:56 AM
My bad if there is another thread about him or a better place to put this, but i want Jason Bay. The Bucks are shopping him because they want McCutchen and McLouth to be in LF and CF respectively in 2009. They need young pitching, which we have. They are also dead last in MLB in stolen bases, so Gardner may interest them as a 4th OFer or if they are willing to move Nady to 1B and McLouth to RF. Also Jose Bautista, ADDam LaRoche, Freddy Sanchez, and Jack Wilson have ALL been terrible against right handed pitching, so Betemit may entice them as well.
If the Yankees were to do this then can then turn around and flip Abreu for some of the pieces they lost. Arizona for example is desperate for offense and has several quality relievers.
Would love to have Bay in pinstripes. As always it depends on the price. Doesn't Abreu have a NTC? Not sure if he would go to AZ so there's no guarantee he would OK a trade.
NelsonMuntz
07-08-08, 09:00 AM
That's a gigantic upgrade right there.
Absolutely. Unfortunately I don't see anyone taking Abreu off our hands, plus I believe he has a NTC.
JavyVazquezIsSick
07-08-08, 09:02 AM
Absolutely. Unfortunately I don't see anyone taking Abreu off our hands, plus I believe he has a NTC.
Abreu historically is a big second half performer, I'd really like to hold on to both this year. If we trade for Bay and Matsui comes back, I'd send Melky down, keep Gardner up for the 4th outfielder, put Bay in left, Damon in CF, Matsui DH, and Abreu RF.
themgmt
07-08-08, 09:05 AM
Abreu historically is a big second half performer, I'd really like to hold on to both this year. If we trade for Bay and Matsui comes back, I'd send Melky down, keep Gardner up for the 4th outfielder, put Bay in left, Damon in CF, Matsui DH, and Abreu RF.
That would be ideal
THEBOSS84
07-08-08, 09:06 AM
Abreu historically is a big second half performer, I'd really like to hold on to both this year. If we trade for Bay and Matsui comes back, I'd send Melky down, keep Gardner up for the 4th outfielder, put Bay in left, Damon in CF, Matsui DH, and Abreu RF.
I'm totally in for this. We can then let Abreu walk (and takes the draft picks) after the season and have Bay (who is a very bad fielder *from what I've seen with my eyes, not metrics) play the easier RF in YS.
JavyVazquezIsSick
07-08-08, 09:12 AM
I'm totally in for this. We can then let Abreu walk (and takes the draft picks) after the season and have Bay (who is a very bad fielder *from what I've seen with my eyes, not metrics) play the easier RF in YS.
UZR shows he is above average.
THEBOSS84
07-08-08, 09:15 AM
UZR shows he is above average.
Fine. Either way he can slot into RF next season while adding a high OPS right handed bat to our team.
JavyVazquezIsSick
07-08-08, 09:19 AM
Fine. Either way he can slot into RF next season while adding a high OPS right handed bat to our team.
He would be an immense upgrade from Abreu defensively, I guess is the point.
NelsonMuntz
07-08-08, 10:33 AM
Abreu historically is a big second half performer, I'd really like to hold on to both this year. If we trade for Bay and Matsui comes back, I'd send Melky down, keep Gardner up for the 4th outfielder, put Bay in left, Damon in CF, Matsui DH, and Abreu RF.
I'd be less concerned about Abreu if it was just his average and slugging that were down but his plate patience seems to have gone out the window. His OBP and p/pa have declined precipitously. Of course none of this would deter me from finding a way to fit Bay into the OF. Even in decline Abreu is still putting up better numbers than Melky.
freebubba
07-08-08, 10:35 AM
He would be an immense upgrade from Abreu defensively, I guess is the point.
Yeah, Abreu is not a good defensive player any more, that has become obvious. Does Bay have any wall-phobia issues? What about Xavier Nady as an alternative? He appears to be a balls out OF'er with some decent pop.
JavyVazquezIsSick
07-08-08, 10:36 AM
I'd be less concerned about Abreu if it was just his average and slugging that were down but his plate patience seems to have gone out the window. His OBP and p/pa have declined precipitously. Of course none of this would deter me from finding a way to fit Bay into the OF. Even in decline Abreu is still putting up better numbers than Melky.
Without looking at the numbers, I'd venture to say last year his OBP was down before the All-Star break as well. Again, he is very much a second half player, and I'm pretty sure he has had a better 1st half this year than last.
EDIT: I don't doubt his overall game has declined from 3-5 years ago
CT-Yankee
07-08-08, 10:40 AM
I'd take a chance on Bay. Maybe some prospects will do it. I think he signed a big contract for Pitt, well as big as they give them, so maybe it is doable. His numbers aren't great with RISP but good RH power.
JavyVazquezIsSick
07-08-08, 10:40 AM
Yeah, Abreu is not a good defensive player any more, that has become obvious. Does Bay have any wall-phobia issues? What about Xavier Nady as an alternative? He appears to be a balls out OF'er with some decent pop.
Nady and Bay would both be solid additions for this year and next
Without looking at the numbers, I'd venture to say last year his OBP was down before the All-Star break as well. Again, he is very much a second half player, and I'm pretty sure he has had a better 1st half this year than last.
EDIT: I don't doubt his overall game has declined from 3-5 years agoLast year was actually the only year in the last four where he improved in the second half in terms of OPS+. He still had some good second halfs in there, but actually of late he's been a first half player, with last year being the obvious (and significant) exception.
JL25and3
07-08-08, 10:48 AM
Without looking at the numbers, I'd venture to say last year his OBP was down before the All-Star break as well. Again, he is very much a second half player, and I'm pretty sure he has had a better 1st half this year than last.
EDIT: I don't doubt his overall game has declined from 3-5 years agoAbreu had a brutal April and May last year, so his second-half stats were definitely better. But historically, he doesn't have any consistent 1st-half/2nd-half split.
Pinstripe Pride23
07-08-08, 10:48 AM
Yeah, Abreu is not a good defensive player any more, that has become obvious. Does Bay have any wall-phobia issues? What about Xavier Nady as an alternative? He appears to be a balls out OF'er with some decent pop.
Bay is a horrible defensive outfielder.
JavyVazquezIsSick
07-08-08, 10:49 AM
Last year was actually the only year in the last four where he improved in the second half in terms of OPS+. He still had some good second halfs in there, but actually of late he's been a first half player, with last year being the obvious (and significant) exception.
I guess I was including the year he was acquired (2006) as well when he came over and finished the year very strong, but I guess the overall splits show he was actually better the first half.
JavyVazquezIsSick
07-08-08, 10:50 AM
Abreu had a brutal April and May last year, so his second-half stats were definitely better. But historically, he doesn't have any consistent 1st-half/2nd-half split.
Yup, you guys are right, I didn't look up the numbers, was just going on the time he was acquired and last year. That said, I think he is going to have a better second half.
JL25and3
07-08-08, 10:51 AM
Yup, you guys are right, I didn't look up the numbers, was just going on the time he was acquired and last year.Yeah, he was really a ball of fire when the Yankees first got him. That was fun.
apalradio
07-08-08, 10:56 AM
Don't know enough about Bay as a player. But I'm wondering if he's anything like a Paul O'Neill type. I do know this lineup could really use a determined clutch player. If Bay is that kind of guy, this would be a positive move.
THEBOSS84
07-08-08, 11:03 AM
I just saw on mlbtraderumors that the LAD are considering trading Matt Kemp for Jack Wilson - are you kidding me?
MTYankee23
07-08-08, 11:05 AM
I just saw on mlbtraderumors that the LAD are considering trading Matt Kemp for Jack Wilson - are you kidding me?
Damn, is there a way of convincing them that Betemit can still play SS?
Brick Tamland
07-08-08, 11:06 AM
Bay would be a good addition to this team even if his defense is horrible. If Cashman can get it done without trading away important pieces, why not.
I just saw on mlbtraderumors that the LAD are considering trading Matt Kemp for Jack Wilson - are you kidding me?
If Ned Coletti completes that deal, it'll finally be time for him to be institutionalized. Kemp for Wilson is the very definition of insanity.
On the other hand, if he's in the market for a shortstop, I happen to have one in mind he could have for very cheap. I'll even throw in a nice fruit basket. Hmmmm .... I think I need to give Ned a call.
1) Since the Yankees obviously need help against lefties, Bay would be a good acquisition.
2) But I am skeptical about his playing RF whether this year or next, as he has always played LF. This suggests to me that his arm is mediocre, notwithstanding his getting lots of assists. RF in the Stadium may be less ground than LF, but as in any ball park, if a RFer has a weak arm, the opposition can go first to third too easily. I would be interested to know what kind of arm Bay has.
Abreu does seem to be on the decline and should have to take a big salary cut whereever he plays next year, but the Y's need to find a true RFer (power and arm and coverage) to replace him.
3) I doubt that Abreu will be moved this year. Bay, if acquired, can DH or play left, assuming an operation for Matsui.
3) Might the Pirates have an interest in Melky in the trade? I don't think the Yankees want Melky and Gardner in the same lineup, and I would rather see Gardner in CF at this point.
JavyVazquezIsSick
07-08-08, 11:11 AM
I just saw on mlbtraderumors that the LAD are considering trading Matt Kemp for Jack Wilson - are you kidding me?
There are a lot of stupid people out there, Cash needs to get off his ass and start making some moves. This team needs help.
THEBOSS84
07-08-08, 11:14 AM
If Ned Coletti completes that deal, it'll finally be time for him to be institutionalized. Kemp for Wilson is the very definition of insanity.
On the other hand, if he's in the market for a shortstop, I happen to have one in mind he could have for very cheap. I'll even throw in a nice fruit basket. Hmmmm .... I think I need to give Ned a call.
Kemp is a personal favorite of mine.
If the Sox get him for Lugo, I'd go mad.
Kemp is a personal favorite of mine.
If the Sox get him for Lugo, I'd go mad.
Rest easy, that's not going to happen.
But if Coletti would take Lugo and lots and lots of cash for somebody less ML-ready, like James McDonald or Ivan DeJesus, I'd smear myself with peanut butter for joy.
primetime714
07-08-08, 11:42 AM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/07/pirates-rumors.html
Jason Bay and Jack Wilson are not being shopped. The Bucs like having both under contract beyond this year. It sounds like Neal Huntington would have to be bowled over to move either guy.
Looks like Bay isn't really available and would cost an arm and a leg to get (i.e. Hughes would likely have to be included).
Later in the article they do go onto say that Nady is the most likely Pirate to be traded. He might be the better option. Although I'm weary of overpaying given the fact that he is having a career year.
Personally I think I'd prefer a cheaper option such as a Matt Murton or even Juan Rivera. Murton's value is relatively low right now given his lack of playing time in Chicago. I think he could be a very solid starting RF for us next year and in the future. For this year depending on Matsui's injury he'd still at least be a good RH bat off the bench. Rivera is a FA at the end of this year, he hits lefties well and will come cheap. If Matsui is out for the year though we might as well bring Bonds in. Few if anyone could have that same type of impact and no one will cost less.
flymick24
07-08-08, 11:59 AM
i have friends wsho live in pitt and watch him every game... they tell me first-hand that his defense is brutal
THEBOSS84
07-08-08, 12:02 PM
i have friends wsho live in pitt and watch him every game... they tell me first-hand that his defense is brutal
Right and that's why I said his defense is bad from what I've seen on TV - I remember last season when they came to NY, he was a butcher in LF. I guess I'll never understand those metrics when they have players who to the naked eyer look brutal (Matsui/Bay) as average/above average fielders.
I guess you guys have answered my question with your reports on Bay's fielding. He would be a good DH or perhaps a sometime LFer, but you can't have the guy as an everyday RFer. (I know that Abreu is wall-shy and may have declined in range, but he is still fast and has a fine arm. The Yankees could do a lot, lot worse in RF defensively. Think, for instance, if they had Matsui out there on an every day basis.)
Anyway; it does not sound as if he is available.
Brick Tamland
07-08-08, 12:18 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/07/pirates-rumors.html
Looks like Bay isn't really available and would cost an arm and a leg to get (i.e. Hughes would likely have to be included).
Later in the article they do go onto say that Nady is the most likely Pirate to be traded. He might be the better option. Although I'm weary of overpaying given the fact that he is having a career year.
Personally I think I'd prefer a cheaper option such as a Matt Murton or even Juan Rivera. Murton's value is relatively low right now given his lack of playing time in Chicago. I think he could be a very solid starting RF for us next year and in the future. For this year depending on Matsui's injury he'd still at least be a good RH bat off the bench. Rivera is a FA at the end of this year, he hits lefties well and will come cheap. If Matsui is out for the year though we might as well bring Bonds in. Few if anyone could have that same type of impact and no one will cost less.
It depends what the Pirates would ask for in exchange for Nady, the first half of this year has been great but what's to say he won't fall off? He's having a career year here so far but even in the past he has always been above average.
primetime714
07-08-08, 02:16 PM
It depends what the Pirates would ask for in exchange for Nady, the first half of this year has been great but what's to say he won't fall off? He's having a career year here so far but even in the past he has always been above average.
Well because he is having a career year the Pirates can ask for more than they would've otherwise been able to. No one is ignoring his career stats and they won't get the type of prospects they would for a superior player like Bay, but make no mistake Nady's value now is about as high as its ever been anyone that acquires him will be buying high.
Me personally I'd rather buy low on guys like Murton or Juan Rivera who while not quite as good as Nady may be able to provide similar production at a much more affordable cost.
TheYankee
07-08-08, 03:32 PM
Abreu historically is a big second half performer, I'd really like to hold on to both this year. If we trade for Bay and Matsui comes back, I'd send Melky down, keep Gardner up for the 4th outfielder, put Bay in left, Damon in CF, Matsui DH, and Abreu RF.I heart you.
knickfan23
07-08-08, 03:46 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/07/pirates-rumors.html
Looks like Bay isn't really available and would cost an arm and a leg to get (i.e. Hughes would likely have to be included).
Well I guess that takes that plan out.
My vision of such a move would have been to trade Abreu to the Mets if they were interested (and lacking outfielders) and then working Bay to the Yanks. Some type of 3 way deal to swing that.
But it's all for nothing now.
JavyVazquezIsSick
07-08-08, 04:04 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/07/pirates-rumors.html
Looks like Bay isn't really available and would cost an arm and a leg to get (i.e. Hughes would likely have to be included).
Later in the article they do go onto say that Nady is the most likely Pirate to be traded. He might be the better option. Although I'm weary of overpaying given the fact that he is having a career year.
Personally I think I'd prefer a cheaper option such as a Matt Murton or even Juan Rivera. Murton's value is relatively low right now given his lack of playing time in Chicago. I think he could be a very solid starting RF for us next year and in the future. For this year depending on Matsui's injury he'd still at least be a good RH bat off the bench. Rivera is a FA at the end of this year, he hits lefties well and will come cheap. If Matsui is out for the year though we might as well bring Bonds in. Few if anyone could have that same type of impact and no one will cost less.
I'd be more then happy with Nady.
JavyVazquezIsSick
07-08-08, 04:05 PM
i have friends wsho live in pitt and watch him every game... they tell me first-hand that his defense is brutal
You have friends?
BennyTheJetRodriguez
07-08-08, 04:43 PM
3) Might the Pirates have an interest in Melky in the trade? I don't think the Yankees want Melky and Gardner in the same lineup, and I would rather see Gardner in CF at this point. Even if Bay is traded McCutchen, McLouth, Nady, and even Doumit profile as outfielders. The reason I thought Gardner would interest them is because they are dead last in the Majors in stolen bases.
Something interesting I found out is it seems Pirate fans use Bay and Nady interchangeably when discussing potential trades. Almost as if they think the two are a wash. Strange.
freebubba
07-09-08, 03:21 PM
Even if Bay is traded McCutchen, McLouth, Nady, and even Doumit profile as outfielders. The reason I thought Gardner would interest them is because they are dead last in the Majors in stolen bases.
Something interesting I found out is it seems Pirate fans use Bay and Nady interchangeably when discussing potential trades. Almost as if they think the two are a wash. Strange.
It's easy to be in love with Garner right now, but excepting that AB against Pap-smear, he hasn't really shown that he can hit ML pitching as of yet.
CyYoung4Vazquez
07-09-08, 03:27 PM
This is completely random but what about Darin Erstad or Ryan Doumit?
southernNYYfan
07-09-08, 03:43 PM
This is completely random but what about Darin Erstad or Ryan Doumit?
Darin Erstad is 34 years old and is around a .280 hitter whos miledge is up there, I would say no to him. I swear I head the Pirates were trying to lock Doumit up long term since Paulino has been less than stellar but I wouldn't mind if the Yanks made a run for him...
BennyTheJetRodriguez
07-09-08, 03:47 PM
It's easy to be in love with Garner right now, but excepting that AB against Pap-smear, he hasn't really shown that he can hit ML pitching as of yet.
The Papelbon hit was one of his softest hit balls all year. He hasn't proven anything yet, but he's made solid enough contact that a GM would be foolish to judge him only on his 20 something AB ML sample size.
Darin Erstad is 34 years old and is around a .280 hitter whos miledge is up there, I would say no to him. I swear I head the Pirates were trying to lock Doumit up long term since Paulino has been less than stellar but I wouldn't mind if the Yanks made a run for him...
Ryan Doumit is just a solid ballplayer. He strikes out a bit more than I like, but he's cheap, he's got some power ... who wouldn't want him?
Why would the Pirates be shopping him? Are they?
montrealer
07-09-08, 04:27 PM
I dunno.....he` Canadian...........creeps me out those Canucks.
NO to Bay and Nady and a huge YES to Ryan Spilborghs the Rockies 4th outfielder!!!!
NO to Bay and Nady and a huge YES to Ryan Spilborghs the Rockies 4th outfielder!!!!
The Rockies might sooner trade Taveras or even Holliday.
NelsonMuntz
07-14-08, 04:08 PM
Something interesting I found out is it seems Pirate fans use Bay and Nady interchangeably when discussing potential trades. Almost as if they think the two are a wash. Strange.
My brother-in-law is a Pirates fan and we had this exact discussion this past weekend -- he views Nady as being just as good, if not better than, Bay. I couldn't believe it.
Just heard Olney on Sportscenter before saying Jason Bay is a possibility. I don't take that too seriously though. Would like to have him aboard, but I don't want to give up too much for him.
Brick Tamland
07-17-08, 06:21 PM
Just heard Olney on Sportscenter before saying Jason Bay is a possibility. I don't take that too seriously though. Would like to have him aboard, but I don't want to give up too much for him.
A possibility as in for the Yankees or a possibility as in an available trade to anyone?
b_joseph
07-17-08, 08:19 PM
A possibility as in for the Yankees or a possibility as in an available trade to anyone?I read somewhere a few minutes ago that Tim Kurk-whatever his last name is, said that we will go for a bat and mentioned Nady and Bay.
A possibility as in for the Yankees or a possibility as in an available trade to anyone?
He was referring specifically to the Yanks.
I read somewhere a few minutes ago that Tim Kurk-whatever his last name is, said that we will go for a bat and mentioned Nady and Bay.
Let me just clarify it might have been Kurkjian that I heard say it, not Olney. I think we're referring to the same thing.
bmxstreetrider86
07-18-08, 12:23 AM
bay would be preferred over holliday, for me
i have friends wsho live in pitt and watch him every game... they tell me first-hand that his defense is brutal
a good reason to leave him in pittsburgh.
the red sox can get away with having manny in left cos thier own left field is so small.
knickfan23
07-18-08, 08:44 AM
Count me in the "Pro-Bay" crowd.
Count me in the "Pro-Bay" crowd.
noooo. not another bad defensive outfielder.
knickfan23
07-18-08, 08:54 AM
noooo. not another bad defensive outfielder.
We have to investigate his zone ratings and the like to make a final judgement. Maybe he just playing the Clemente Monster out in RF badly and adjusting to our RF can make up for it.
Last week with a friend. I proposed for him in a three way trade with another NL East team who just so happens to be lookng for an outfielder at the present moment.
b_joseph
07-18-08, 08:59 AM
noooo. not another bad defensive outfielder.Corner OF field defense is hardly important, when you are are getting a bat that delivers an OPS+ above 130.
Plenty of teams have won without having great corner outfield defense.
Jason Bay is 19th this year in VORP.
1) I think people here are not being realistic. At least under the assumption that Damon returns, the Yankees are not going to take any risks to compromise the future for another hitter this year and nothing suggests that they could get this guy cheap. If they could do a deal like the one that got them Abreu two years ago, then sure, they could do it. But no one suggests that Bay is being dumped in that way.
2) Did I miss someone describing Bay's arm as being of RF quality? You cannot talk about replacing Abreu with him if it is not. I hope everyone understands that basic point about what is essential in the OF. You would not want a Matsui-type arm out there in right. I think that folks should root for Abreu to have a great later season; there is a much better chance of that happening than him being replaced this year by a better RFer.
dont_ya_know24
07-18-08, 11:39 AM
who cares if his OF defense sucks? his bat makes up for it. wouldn't you rather melky be a good offensive player and a bad defensive player? i would...
webassign
07-18-08, 11:44 AM
If you're willing to accept the crappy defense, why wouldn't you want Bonds? His bat is much better, and he won't cost anything except about $150 K as opposed to valuable prospects for Bay.
dont_ya_know24
07-18-08, 11:50 AM
If you're willing to accept the crappy defense, why wouldn't you want Bonds? His bat is much better, and he won't cost anything except about $150 K as opposed to valuable prospects for Bay.
i do want bonds, problem is cash doesn't so i'm looking at other options.
it sucks though, because bonds is really a slam dunk for this team's needs. we're already the most hated team in baseball so i don't know what the problem is.....
sweet_lou_14
07-18-08, 10:42 PM
If you're willing to accept the crappy defense, why wouldn't you want Bonds? His bat is much better, and he won't cost anything except about $150 K as opposed to valuable prospects for Bay.
It seems Barry Bonds is going to keep coming up in as many threads as possible until he's dead or in jail.
Just saw on BBTN, apparently talks are starting to get a bit more serious between the yanks ant Pirates over one of either Nady or Bay. That report came from Steve Phillips though so I guess we really cant know how much truth there is to this.
b_joseph
07-20-08, 05:21 PM
Just saw on BBTN, apparently talks are starting to get a bit more serious between the yanks ant Pirates over one of either Nady or Bay. That report came from Steve Phillips though so I guess we really cant know how much truth there is to this. Fingers crossed that it is Bay.
YanksFan1992
07-20-08, 05:40 PM
Fingers crossed that it is Bay.
I'm hoping for Bay as well. If talks really are heating up, that leads me to believe that the front office thinks Matsui is done for the year. :(
yank4life2005
07-20-08, 05:49 PM
Bay is
.205 against LHP
.301 against RHP
.203 with RISP
themgmt
07-20-08, 05:52 PM
Bay is also awful in the field from what I've seen and read but the kid can hit. Nady would be awesome as well since he can field and throw, as well as play a little first base in a pinch. I said this before but I would pay more for Bay since he's signed through next year and is a bit of a better hitter. But I'd go for Nady as well as long as the Yankees don't over pay.
webassign
07-20-08, 05:54 PM
Bay is
.205 against LHP
.301 against RHP
.203 with RISP
He'll fit right in with this offense.
yank4life2005
07-20-08, 05:54 PM
Bay is also awful in the field from what I've seen and read but the kid can hit. Nady would be awesome as well since he can field and throw, as well as play a little first base in a pinch. I said this before but I would pay more for Bay since he's signed through next year and is a bit of a better hitter. But I'd go for Nady as well as long as the Yankees don't over pay.
Nady won't be a FA until after 2009 and could be a nice option if Abreu doesn't come back next year in RF or Texeira snubs the Yankees at 1B.
themgmt
07-20-08, 05:55 PM
Bay is
.205 against LHP
.301 against RHP
.203 with RISP
That's an aberration, he hits lefties just fine. All things considered, I think Nady is the better fit. He will cost less, can play first base, can play RF and move Abreu to left and let Damon DH.
themgmt
07-20-08, 05:56 PM
Nady won't be a FA until after 2009 and could be a nice option if Abreu doesn't come back next year in RF or Texeira snubs the Yankees at 1B.
Nady is signed through next year as well? I've been going under the impression that he's a FA after this year. If so I want Nady. Better range, better arm, can play first, will cost less than the younger better hitter in Bay.
Actually if they are talking with the Pirates, I hope it's Marte.
yank4life2005
07-20-08, 06:00 PM
Nady is signed through next year as well? I've been going under the impression that he's a FA after this year. If so I want Nady. Better range, better arm, can play first, will cost less than the younger better hitter in Bay.
Actually if they are talking with the Pirates, I hope it's Marte.
Xavier Nady of
1 year/$3.35M (2008)
re-signed 1/18/08 (avoided arbitration)
performance bonuses: $25,000 for 475 PAs, $50,000 for 500 PAs, $55,000 each for 550, 575 PAs, $65,000 for 600 PAs
1 year/$2.15M (2007), re-signed 1/07 (avoided arbitration)
1 year/$0.427M (2006), signed 3/06
1 year/$0.488M (2005)
5 years/$2.85M (2000-04)
$1.1M bonus ($0.1M up front)
$1.75M in salary, paid 2001-2004
bonuses based on days on 25-man roster, 2002-04
earned $0.275M incentive for more than 60 days on roster in 04
drafted 2000 (2-49), signed 9/00
agent: Scott Boras
ML service: 4.059
nnysiny
07-20-08, 06:06 PM
Fingers crossed that it is Bay.
me too. i want no part of Nady
yank4life2005
07-20-08, 06:08 PM
Rather have Jose Guillen over Jason Bay any day of the week.
teknetic
07-20-08, 06:13 PM
Only thing I'm worried about Bay is how his power numbers are gonna translate into the old/new stadium.
themgmt
07-20-08, 06:16 PM
Xavier Nady of
1 year/$3.35M (2008)
re-signed 1/18/08 (avoided arbitration)
performance bonuses: $25,000 for 475 PAs, $50,000 for 500 PAs, $55,000 each for 550, 575 PAs, $65,000 for 600 PAs
1 year/$2.15M (2007), re-signed 1/07 (avoided arbitration)
1 year/$0.427M (2006), signed 3/06
1 year/$0.488M (2005)
5 years/$2.85M (2000-04)
$1.1M bonus ($0.1M up front)
$1.75M in salary, paid 2001-2004
bonuses based on days on 25-man roster, 2002-04
earned $0.275M incentive for more than 60 days on roster in 04
drafted 2000 (2-49), signed 9/00
agent: Scott Boras
ML service: 4.059
That says 1 year (2008) right?.. I have seen somewhere else on here that he was signed through 09, anyone care to clear it up
yank4life2005
07-20-08, 06:19 PM
Pirates control him since he has less than 6 years of MLB service time.
He will be arby eligible again after this season only with the Bucs.
Yankees13
07-20-08, 06:21 PM
Bay is
.205 against LHP
.301 against RHP
.203 with RISP
He'll fit right in!
Oops beaten to it.
yanksphan
07-20-08, 06:27 PM
Rather have Jose Guillen over Jason Bay any day of the week.
Interesting.
vs LHP:
.311 .354 .589 .943
themgmt
07-20-08, 06:30 PM
Bay is the much better hitter but he will cost a lot more in terms of prospects. Nady isn't that great offensively but I think he would fit in as a role player. Neither player will make a huge difference but they will add balance to the lineup. I'd still prefer Holliday and would trade pretty much anyone for him.
I don't really want either one of these guys at the price that they're going to cost and I don't really get the fascination that people have with them. I mean, if they'll take Kennedy and something small for one of them, then sure. But I doubt that happens.
Nady is having a career year and he's a FA after this season. Which could be a good or a bad thing.
Bay is Matsui-esque in the field, strikes out a lot and has a batting average that is, well...average. And the stats the yank4life posted about him aren't really enticing me, to say the least.
If I had to pick which one I wanted, it'd probably be Nady. Simply because I think he would be the cheaper option and he would be a better fit for this Yankees team with his better defense, very good batting average and versatility in the field. He also doesn't strike out a whole lot, I think he'd be a nice compliment to the rest of the hitters in our lineup.
themgmt
07-20-08, 06:33 PM
Rather have Jose Guillen over Jason Bay any day of the week.
Guillen is not that good. He's way better defensively but at the plate he is not an improvement in any fashion. BA, OBP, SLG, OPS, HR, SB etc.. not even close. Whoever they're acquiring would likely be a DH for the rest of the year so the defense won't matter.
Although if they got Holliday they could put him in LF and let Damon DH.
yank4life2005
07-20-08, 06:40 PM
Posada the way he is catching will spend some time at DH if NY wants his bat in the lineup.
Guillen will cost 2 prospects to land him.
fellows
07-20-08, 06:42 PM
I don't really want either one of these guys at the price that they're going to cost and I don't really get the fascination that people have with them. I mean, if they'll take Kennedy and something small for one of them, then sure. But I doubt that happens.
Nady is having a career year and he's a FA after this season. Which could be a good or a bad thing.
Bay is Matsui-esque in the field, strikes out a lot and has a batting average that is, well...average. And the stats the yank4life posted about him aren't really enticing me, to say the least.
If I had to pick which one I wanted, it'd probably be Nady. Simply because I think he would be the cheaper option and he would be a better fit for this Yankees team with his better defense, very good batting average and versatility in the field. He also doesn't strike out a whole lot, I think he'd be a nice compliment to the rest of the hitters in our lineup.
Nady only had 4 years of service coming into 08' so he can't become a FA until after 09'. He goes to arbitration after this year.
Ah, thanks. I guess that makes me want him a little more in that case. Even if he is having a career year and can't match those numbers next season, he probably wouldn't be making a whole lot and the Yankees would be off the hook after next season.
themgmt
07-20-08, 06:56 PM
Posada the way he is catching will spend some time at DH if NY wants his bat in the lineup.
Guillen will cost 2 prospects to land him.
Posada will DH some but I suspect he will catch 7 out of 10 games.
Guillen just isn't that good though. Average average, never walks so he has an extremely low OBP. .327 OBP for his career, it's at .297 this year
On top of that he's supposedly having problems with his back at the moment.
yank4life2005
07-20-08, 07:03 PM
Posada will DH some but I suspect he will catch 7 out of 10 games.
Guillen just isn't that good though. Average average, never walks so he has an extremely low OBP. .327 OBP for his career, it's at .297 this year
On top of that he's supposedly having problems with his back at the moment.
Did not know about his back condition.
Stay away from that for sure.
Not sure who else could be on the block OF wise.
AMYanks
07-20-08, 09:26 PM
Bay is
.205 against LHP
.301 against RHP
.203 with RISP
SSS.
2005-07
vs LHP: .296/.405/.543
w/RISP: .282/.400/.502
Cheesyhoboe
07-21-08, 08:09 AM
We need a power bat. At this point A-Rod and Giambi are the only hitters in our lineup with enough power who pitchers respect enough to pitch around. If you look at the numbers the only guys we have who have respectable slugging percentages are Damon at .470 (whoda thunk it?), Giambi at .540 and A-Rod at .581. As a result I'd much rather have Bay than Nady.
THEBOSS84
07-21-08, 08:56 AM
I'm on board with Bay if the price is right...or not too wrong.
knickfan23
07-21-08, 09:07 AM
Bay is the much better hitter but he will cost a lot more in terms of prospects. Nady isn't that great offensively but I think he would fit in as a role player. Neither player will make a huge difference but they will add balance to the lineup. I'd still prefer Holliday and would trade pretty much anyone for him.
Mgmt, here's why I make the Bay trade if it can be pulled off:
1. Come the end of the season, the Yanks will more than likely be looking for a RF. Abreu is in clear decline and should not be resigned. Even at a reduced price, he is not worth it.
2. The current FA crop for RF is awful. No one out there to me is worth signing unless you are telling me that Vlad would leave the Angels for the Yankees, which I dont see.
3. With the FA crop bring awful and Abreu in decline, it would make sense to me to give up the quality prospects needed to acquire him considering that he is cost controlled through the end of the 09 season.
In terms of defense, if he is average, that is fine. We need to see the zone ratings as I mentioned before for a further conclusion. This season, he is putting up number replicable to that of his 05 and 06 years before the offseason last year. He on pace to draw over 100 walks despite his high strikeout total, and give you 30 HR and 105 RBI with a plus .900 OPS (All Star quality when you consider the crackdown on PED's has caused offensive numbers to drop) at a premium position. That is not going to come cheap. And for the essential "discount" you are going him for next year as well, it is definitely some thing worth "paying" for. I'm trying to take a longer term view on the merit of such a move.
Cheesyhoboe
07-21-08, 09:11 AM
Mgmt, here's why I make the Bay trade if it can be pulled off:
1. Come the end of the season, the Yanks will more than likely be looking for a RF. Abreu is in clear decline and should not be resigned. Even at a reduced price, he is not worth it.
2. The current FA crop for RF is awful. No one out there to me is worth signing unless you are telling me that Vlad would leave the Angels for the Yankees, which I dont see.
3. With the FA crop bring awful and Abreu in decline, it would make sense to me to give up the quality prospects needed to acquire him considering that he is cost controlled through the end of the 09 season.
In terms of defense, if he is average, that is fine. We need to see the zone ratings as I mentioned before for a further conclusion. This season, he is putting up number replicable to that of his 05 and 06 years before the offseason last year. He on pace to draw over 100 walks despite his high strikeout total, and give you 30 HR and 105 RBI with a plus .900 OPS (All Star quality when you consider the crackdown on PED's has caused offensive numbers to drop) at a premium position. That is not going to come cheap. And for the essential "discount" you are going him for next year as well, it is definitely some thing worth "paying" for.
Bay is already bad enough for a LF. Moving him to RF would be a recipe for disaster.
Like a broken record, since I have had no response and have not watched him play,I will ask again: Does Bay have a RFer's arm? I assume not since he has never played the position. If he is Matsui-esque as a defender, including the arm, no one would be happy with him in RF as a replacement for Abreu.
Bay's arm is about on par with Damon's. I live in Pittsburgh and watch him play daily. You don't want Bay in RF.
hatfieldms
07-23-08, 09:30 AM
Abreu historically is a big second half performer, I'd really like to hold on to both this year. If we trade for Bay and Matsui comes back, I'd send Melky down, keep Gardner up for the 4th outfielder, put Bay in left, Damon in CF, Matsui DH, and Abreu RF.
I just really don't inderstand how anyone would want to do this. While Melky has not been good this year he has been hitting the ball harder lately and could possibly come around. On the other hand Gardner has still yet to show me any reason why he should stay up in the majors
NelsonMuntz
07-23-08, 09:34 AM
I just really don't inderstand how anyone would want to do this. While Melky has not been good this year he has been hitting the ball harder lately and could possibly come around. On the other hand Gardner has still yet to show me any reason why he should stay up in the majors
I like JVIS and generally respect his posts but his (at times over the top) disdain for Melky on this board is pretty well documented. Not that I think Melky is by any means having a Hall of Fame season, but I do think he is better than Gardner.
JavyVazquezIsSick
07-23-08, 09:49 AM
I just really don't inderstand how anyone would want to do this. While Melky has not been good this year he has been hitting the ball harder lately and could possibly come around. On the other hand Gardner has still yet to show me any reason why he should stay up in the majors
I'd prefer my 4th OFer to be able to pinch run. Melky is still pretty young and has the ability to improve if sent down to the minors to work on things, Gardner not so much.
Cheesyhoboe
07-23-08, 09:55 AM
So Gardner is some sort of minor league journeyman now? He's one year older than Melky.
NelsonMuntz
07-23-08, 10:16 AM
I'd prefer my 4th OFer to be able to pinch run. Melky is still pretty young and has the ability to improve if sent down to the minors to work on things, Gardner not so much.
You're mellowing in your old age.
GordonGecko
11-06-09, 03:16 PM
Jason Bay announced his free agency today. Should the Yankees bid and take him away from the Red Sox?
Jason Bay announced his free agency today. Should the Yankees bid and take him away from the Red Sox?
ugh i dont want him...He strikes out too much and is streaky
Jason Bay announced his free agency today. Should the Yankees bid and take him away from the Red Sox?
No. Horrible left fielder, in Yankee Stadium which has a large LF. Bad combination.
GordonGecko
11-06-09, 03:19 PM
I don't think he'd be a great fit either, but then again it's always nice to take players away from Boston :D
If he is still on the market in late December or January and he is willing to take 3 years at $13 million per, I'd consider it. Since that is highly unlikely, I'll let someone else get ripped off.
pleasepassthesoup
11-06-09, 03:21 PM
Jason Bay announced his free agency today. Should the Yankees bid and take him away from the Red Sox?
No thanks. He's in his 30s already and has had back and knee problems in his career. Also, if we're going to sign a big money leftfielder, I'd like an actual defensive upgrade.
pleasepassthesoup
11-06-09, 03:21 PM
I don't think he'd be a great fit either, but then again it's always nice to take players away from Boston :D
I don't like the idea of giving draft picks to Boston for players who aren't worth it.
teknetic
11-06-09, 04:06 PM
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GordonGecko
11-06-09, 04:09 PM
would Damon go back to Boston if he doesn't re-sign
RedGlare
11-06-09, 04:20 PM
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The Greek
11-06-09, 05:04 PM
would Damon go back to Boston if he doesn't re-sign
He's not wanted there. The fans hate him.
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