Yankees are scouting Sabathia and Bronson Arroyo [Archive]

YanksFan1992

06-19-08, 06:05 PM

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/06/molonys-latest.html

The Yanks have scouted C.C. Sabathia and Bronson Arroyo but haven't made any offers. I just don't see how Arroyo could be effective back in the American League.

AcidLake

06-19-08, 06:09 PM

Arroyo...???

TheJobaRules

06-19-08, 06:09 PM

I'm not sure what this means right now, I'm just waiting to read an article that says Shapiro has given up on 08 and is ready to deal Sabathia.

As for Arroyo, yuck.

b_joseph

06-19-08, 06:10 PM

No surprises there. Arroyo will be the option if Sabathia cant be had.

bmxstreetrider86

06-19-08, 06:12 PM

major league teams scout everyone. no suprise to see them scouting sabathia.

nothing to see here

fellows

06-19-08, 06:14 PM

1000X no on Arroyo. 1.58 WHIP:barf: owed 25mil over the 09' and 10' so your stuck with him in the rotation blocking guys.

YASS

06-19-08, 06:43 PM

No surprises there. Arroyo will be the option if Sabathia cant be had.
Can't imagine why the Yankees would want Arroyo.

Heck of a nice guy, though.

continentalg5

06-19-08, 07:40 PM

HEY!! my last name is Arroyo!

As for Bronson, I say NO!

ARoDfan4life

06-19-08, 07:42 PM

The Indians are not giving a 72 hour window it would be a rental, So forget this.

R.V.47

06-19-08, 07:47 PM

major league teams scout everyone. no suprise to see them scouting sabathia.

nothing to see here

Yea Im not sure what to take out of the fact the yanks are scouting CC. Might just be a standard thing but I hope its more than that.

just-blaze

06-19-08, 07:49 PM

Aren't we playing the Reds soon?

yankeebot

06-19-08, 07:49 PM

The Indians are not giving a 72 hour window it would be a rental, So forget this.
Is this a fact or an opinion?

Ynkcpt23

06-19-08, 07:49 PM

The Indians are not giving a 72 hour window it would be a rental, So forget this.

Have to agree here. I know it's early in the process, but for the Indians to take this stance is completely unreasonable. There are only a few teams that can afford to sign him for the $$ he's going to ask for regardless. If the Indians continue to slide, they will have to back off if they want to get the return they're looking for.

NYDCYankee

06-19-08, 07:52 PM

I would rather see if the Yankees could buy low on Harang.

ace

06-19-08, 07:52 PM

They must have asked Mike Francesa's opinion. He's been championing Arroyo for quite a while now, God knows why.

I hate to break out a cheap plug, and you can remove this if it doesn't fit, but we talk (berate) about it all the time at: http://www.mikefrancesa.com/ (http://www.mikefrancesa.com/)

smckdwn989

06-19-08, 07:53 PM

don't believe everything you read on mlbtraderumors.com that's for sure.

YanksFan1992

06-19-08, 08:04 PM

don't believe everything you read on mlbtraderumors.com that's for sure.

Why's that?

NelsonMuntz

06-19-08, 08:07 PM

:barf: @ Arroyo.

themgmt

06-20-08, 08:15 AM

Yeah, no 72 hour window, no go.

Get Bedard while his stock plummets and the Mariners are firing and releasing everyone

teknetic

06-20-08, 08:36 AM

Is this a fact or an opinion?

• Lock those windows: You can probably forget that widespread assumption that any team willing to trade three high-ceiling young players for C.C. Sabathia (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6603) would first ask for a 72-hour window to try to sign him. The Indians have been telling teams they're not interested in complicating their lives by opening any negotiating windows. And if Sabathia attracts the number of bidders they expect him to attract, they can afford to take that hard line.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&page=rumblings

webassign

06-20-08, 08:44 AM

Just say no to Brandon.

smckdwn989

06-20-08, 08:50 AM

Just say no to Brandon.

bronson?

JavyVazquezIsSick

06-20-08, 08:53 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&page=rumblings

I fail to see how giving a team a window to negotiate a contract complicates their lives? Whatever team he is traded to is going to know what his demands are beforehand. No team is going to give up a great package for a rental. This would be very stupid of Cleveland.

bobbymagee

06-20-08, 08:55 AM

Bronson Arroyo .... don't know why Reds would trade him? Plus why would the Yanks want to give up any of their minor league arms?
Good example would be the recent Ranger/Reds trade .

Either way Arroyo would be a plus to haunt the Sox.

cupcollector99

06-20-08, 08:59 AM

ARoDfan4life

06-20-08, 09:00 AM

I don't know why the Yanks will give anything for Arroyo, I mean I'd slit my own throat if I found out Abraham Almonte or Austin Jackson or Jose Tabata went for him.

Say no to Arroyo.

cajunyankee

06-20-08, 10:44 AM

Arroyo! Everyone knows the team needs a new lead guitarist who can shred it-- Cornrow can put down some licks. We haven't had a decent front man since Bernie got run out of town.

Hellsing

06-20-08, 11:02 AM

....Please...
Give HORNE a shot before you sign Arroyo.

I would take Horne WITH a torn bicep over Arroyo.

webassign

06-20-08, 11:33 AM

bronson?
Brandon.

smckdwn989

06-20-08, 11:57 AM

I fail to see how giving a team a window to negotiate a contract complicates their lives? Whatever team he is traded to is going to know what his demands are beforehand. No team is going to give up a great package for a rental. This would be very stupid of Cleveland.

I agree. Cleveland is stupid to do this. If anything, this should lessen the prospects that they get in a deal.

teknetic

06-20-08, 12:43 PM

I fail to see how giving a team a window to negotiate a contract complicates their lives? Whatever team he is traded to is going to know what his demands are beforehand. No team is going to give up a great package for a rental. This would be very stupid of Cleveland.

I figured they'd find a team desperate enough to unload talent at the deadline. Definitely an odd move.

TheJobaRules

06-20-08, 01:34 PM

Brandon.

Brandon is A-Rod's favorite person in the world. :P

primetime714

06-20-08, 01:41 PM

Have to agree here. I know it's early in the process, but for the Indians to take this stance is completely unreasonable. There are only a few teams that can afford to sign him for the $$ he's going to ask for regardless. If the Indians continue to slide, they will have to back off if they want to get the return they're looking for.

The only reason they're doing this is because they know Sabathia likely isn't going to sign an extension, so they don't want to waste time putting together a deal that is only going to fall apart because Sabathia wont sign.

They won't back off this unless Sabathia lets them know that he would be open to signing an extension. However that doesn't make a lot of sense for him considering how close he is to FA where is assured to make a ton.

The team that acquires him will acquire him as a rental and will just have to hope that they can either convince him to sign an extension before the end of the year or re-sign him when he hits FA. As as result Cleveland will not be able to demand as much as they would if he were willing to sign an extension upon being traded.

aeromac76

06-21-08, 04:54 PM

The only reason they're doing this is because they know Sabathia likely isn't going to sign an extension, so they don't want to waste time putting together a deal that is only going to fall apart because Sabathia wont sign.

They won't back off this unless Sabathia lets them know that he would be open to signing an extension. However that doesn't make a lot of sense for him considering how close he is to FA where is assured to make a ton.

The team that acquires him will acquire him as a rental and will just have to hope that they can either convince him to sign an extension before the end of the year or re-sign him when he hits FA. As as result Cleveland will not be able to demand as much as they would if he were willing to sign an extension upon being traded.

Perhaps true, but teams would also be willing to trade a better package for someone they know is going to sign a deal..

For instance, there is a good chance the Yankees would include someone like Hughes in a deal for CC if they had the window and got a deal signed.
But if not, they'd never get that kind of player..

1936-1939JoeNLou

06-21-08, 05:02 PM

Sabathia:

Innings eater = check

Throws 99 mph = check

Strikes people out = check

Left handed = check

Competitive = check

Young = check

Ace = check

I'd give up the farm.

ArodMVP217

06-22-08, 06:30 AM

also, theoretically if CLE is not offering an extension, there would be more suiters

primetime714

06-22-08, 02:06 PM

Perhaps true, but teams would also be willing to trade a better package for someone they know is going to sign a deal..

For instance, there is a good chance the Yankees would include someone like Hughes in a deal for CC if they had the window and got a deal signed.
But if not, they'd never get that kind of player..

No doubt there, but the Indians have no control over whether or not Sabathia will sign an extension. I'm sure they'd love it if he was willing to because they could get more for him, but them allowing the window doesn't change Sabathia's feelings. I'm sure they're not offering the window because they are near certain that Sabathia is not thinking extension regardless of the team that acquires him. They've likely had talks with Sabathia and that have indicated that he is set on hitting free agency. With that in mind there is no reason for them to offer a window. The Indians are not going to come out and say that as that'll decrease his value even more, but considering the situation that is almost certainly the reason for them not offering a window.

4bronxbombers

06-22-08, 02:09 PM

Sabathia:

Innings eater = check

Throws 99 mph = check

Strikes people out = check

Left handed = check

Competitive = check

Young = check

Ace = check

I'd give up the farm.

Is any one concerned that he didn't pitch well in the play offs? Just curious.

yankeesAZ

06-22-08, 02:11 PM

Is any one concerned that he didn't pitch well in the play offs? Just curious.

Yes that is a concern before we give up the farm for him.

PJMPirate

06-22-08, 02:12 PM

Sabathia:

Innings eater = check

Throws 99 mph = check

Strikes people out = check

Left handed = check

Competitive = check

Young = check

Ace = check

I'd give up the farm.

Career ERA+ of 115 = check

fellows

06-22-08, 08:52 PM

Career ERA+ of 115 = check

27 years old coming off 143 and 140 years. Never had an ERA+ below 100. A lot of innings at very young ages in the majors.

jeterlove

06-22-08, 08:54 PM

Is any one concerned that he didn't pitch well in the play offs? Just curious.

Way to small of a sample size following a season where he pitched like 240 innings.

He was probably just worn out.

machphantom

06-22-08, 09:01 PM

I mentioned this in the Dodgers thread, but I saw Sabathia on Saturday and he was warming up very closely to where I was sitting. I asked him why he would stay in Cleveland when he could join the Yanks, and I asked him if 7 yr/140 mil sounded good. He actually heard me and started laughing. I saw Sal Fasano and his amazing mustache too...

ArodMVP217

06-22-08, 09:11 PM

machphantom

06-22-08, 11:50 PM

more amazing than Giambi's?

there has been so much media coverage with CC and the Yanks, if i were cc i'd be getting tired of it; remember when he pitched here or he hosted us at teh JakeII, i forget which, the media asked him if he'd ever be interested in playing for the yankees. and he tried to sound nonchalant?
He was just laughing... he seems like a good guy, i'm guessing he didn't expect to hear it at Dodger Stadium, especially from someone wearing a Dodger shirt... Sal was laughing too. And yes, Sal's 'stache is classic Philly baseball fodder. I think it's the best in baseball :D.

kan_t

06-23-08, 04:23 AM

Scouting Sabathia may just means that the Yankees want to sign him as a FA. Lots of players are scouted by the Yankees. So it means little.

nyyfanatic85

06-24-08, 08:56 PM

CC's K/9 IP: :ga-ga:

We need a high-strikeout pitcher in the worst way.

Brick Tamland

06-26-08, 08:42 AM

I don't really see the Yankees getting Sabathia. Word is the Brew crew and Cubbies are willing to throw the kitchen sink at Cleveland for him and I even read a report this morning stating that the Indians were making one final run at signing him to a long term deal.

Of course he will still hit the FA market but for the stretch run here, I don't want to see the Yankees involved in a bidding war for the guy.

I am just hoping the Red Sox don't make a deal for him and sign him to a long term contract. They have the prospects to net him more so than any other team out there.

CyYoung4Vazquez

06-26-08, 08:58 AM

It seems like Philly and the Cubbies are going outbid everyone for either CC or Bedard.

effdamets

06-27-08, 07:42 AM

It seems like Philly and the Cubbies are going outbid everyone for either CC or Bedard.
The Phillies or the Cubs can HAVE Bedard... He is a huge baby. I don't want him on the Yankees.

ARoDfan4life

06-27-08, 07:48 AM

According to Jayson Starks we're not even interested in Bedard, Sabathia is one thing and we can forget about him because when it's all said and done LA Dodger, Angels, Cubs, Phillies can get him for more than the Red Sox or Yankees are willing to give.

NYDCYankee

06-27-08, 07:50 AM

Do the Phillies even have what it takes to get anyone? Don't they have like the worst system in the game?

Prison Mike

06-27-08, 07:52 AM

Carlos Carrasco and Adrian Cardenas would definitely to get Sabathia- if there's no window for an extension, they're probably overpaying.

ARoDfan4life

06-27-08, 07:57 AM

Do the Phillies even have what it takes to get anyone? Don't they have like the worst system in the game?

They have four players in the future's showcase

Carrasco, Gholson, Bastardo..that combo can net CC

ARoDfan4life

06-27-08, 07:58 AM

Carlos Carrasco and Adrian Cardenas would definitely to get Sabathia- if there's no window for an extension, they're probably overpaying.

Yup that too. Can you imagine what a Phillies team w/ Sabathia and Hamels can do in the NL ?

Martini6196

06-27-08, 08:00 AM

At this point the Yankees should just wait and sign him in the offseason. I'd rather wait and just buy him rather than trade away good prospects for him and then buy him.

ARoDfan4life

06-27-08, 08:02 AM

At this point the Yankees should just wait and sign him in the offseason. I'd rather wait and just buy him rather than trade away good prospects for him and then buy him.

We all know this yet we have too many wannabe die hards saying if Cashman doesn't get CC he should be fired. I think the opposite of this.

Brick Tamland

06-27-08, 08:35 AM

CC is not going to be a Yankee *this* season and I'm not sure that's a bad thing. Cubs are willing to give up anything to get him, the Brewers, Rays, and Angels are also supposedly very interested in getting him. All those teams would offer better packages than the Yankees. Also, the Red Sox have a deep farm system of ML ready talent (Masterson, Lowrie) who they could afford to give up without losing their crown jewels.

Wait until the off season and go after him as a FA.