View Full Version : Could Prince Fielder Be Traded?
Bleacher_Creature
06-16-08, 01:12 PM
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/06/16/could-prince-fielder-be-traded/
I started reading this as more BS to fire up the hot stove, but after reading the article and thinking about, it may not be that far fetched.
Smartin681
06-16-08, 01:17 PM
Already have too many DH type players.. Very intriguing nonetheless. If he is traded, wouldn't be to the Yanks.
Thoughts on the asking price?
THEBOSS84
06-16-08, 01:17 PM
I like Prince. He did however kill the hopes of my fantasy team this year.
If the price is right I'm all for it.
Jumpman_DJ
06-16-08, 01:29 PM
There are a few things that cross my mind about this, 1. what is the asking price for a overweight 1b albeit in his prime? 2.Back to the weight issue, a couple years back the yanks had concerns over wells and his weight, Prince looks like he ate wells.( And this is a vegatarian? what he do eat a redwood?)
Note to all vegatarians... this is a lifestyle choice i dont agree with but if its for you god bless.
3.Can the yankees sign him to along term deal?Or more to it would they want to citing his body style.
We all know his swing is viscous and would be devastating at the stadium, i just dont want to invest in another 1b long term then after two years falls apart. until his walk year.
THEBOSS84
06-16-08, 01:33 PM
Boras is his agent (no extensions possible)
He hasn't even reached his prime yet
effdamets
06-16-08, 01:38 PM
Boras is his agent (no extensions possible)
He hasn't even reached his prime yet
Reached his prime?
He sure has reach for a lot of prime beef! That is for sure.
I'd wouldn't come within 100 parsecs of this guy given that he is going to command a ton of money and then he is going to break down like a '72 Ford Pinto that never had its oil changed.
Yankee Tripper
06-16-08, 01:41 PM
Isn't next year his 1st year of arbitration? So wouldn't he be under club control for 3 or 4 years after this one?
I could see the Crew moving him for high cieling cost controlled talent. Don't know if this is worth exploring but having Fielder for 3.5 years at prevailing arb rates then letting him walk in FA isn't the worst idea I've heard.
THEBOSS84
06-16-08, 01:50 PM
The reason the Brewers would consider trading Prince is that he may get very costly in arbitration very soon. They have LaPorta and Gammel in the minors who are absolutely raking and either of them can play first.
Jumpman_DJ
06-16-08, 03:32 PM
Reached his prime?
He sure has reach for a lot of prime beef! That is for sure.
I'd wouldn't come within 100 parsecs of this guy given that he is going to command a ton of money and then he is going to break down like a '72 Ford Pinto that never had its oil changed.
Parsecs huh :P another star wars geek, we are just everywhere arent we
webassign
06-16-08, 03:38 PM
Where the hell is he gonna play on this team?
CallOfTheCrow
06-16-08, 03:41 PM
The reason the Brewers would consider trading Prince is that he may get very costly in arbitration very soon. They have LaPorta and Gammel in the minors who are absolutely raking and either of them can play first.
I rememeber in last year's draft thread, so many people were saying how pissed off they would be if the Yanks drafted him.
THEBOSS84
06-16-08, 03:43 PM
I rememeber in last year's draft thread, so many people were saying how pissed off they would be if the Yanks drafted him.
Yeah same here. I thought he'd be a scrub based on all those comments. The Brewers even got some heat for "over-drafting" him.
JavyVazquezIsSick
06-16-08, 03:47 PM
Where the hell is he gonna play on this team?
DH...
webassign
06-16-08, 03:49 PM
DH...
I think some guy from Japan is playing that position.
JavyVazquezIsSick
06-16-08, 03:53 PM
I think some guy from Japan is playing that position.
If we traded for him and I don't think there is any chance we will. I'd put Matsui in LF, Damon CF, Giambi 1B, Fielder DH.
webassign
06-16-08, 03:55 PM
If we traded for him and I don't think there is any chance we will. I'd put Matsui in LF, Damon CF, Giambi 1B, Fielder DH.
And what about Melky? Shipping him to Milwaukee?
That also makes our outfield defense even worse.
JavyVazquezIsSick
06-16-08, 03:56 PM
And what about Melky? Shipping him to Milwaukee?
That also makes our outfield defense even worse.
Yes, but the offense gained would be worth the defense lost.
Mr. Mxylsplk
06-16-08, 05:40 PM
Reached his prime?
He sure has reach for a lot of prime beef! That is for sure.
He actually became a vegetarian during the off-season. I don't know if he's still sticking to it, but he was at the beginning of the season.
NYDCYankee
06-16-08, 06:05 PM
I think some guy from Japan is playing that position.
Igawa?
YankeePride1967
06-16-08, 06:07 PM
If we are willing to give up what it would take to get Fielder, wouldn't we use those chips to get a pitcher?
cupcollector99
06-16-08, 06:12 PM
If we are willing to give up what it would take to get Fielder, wouldn't we use those chips to get a pitcher?
I agree, unless Prince Fielder is actually CC Sabathia, the Yankees should save their trading chips for a quality starting arm.
yankeetomer54
06-16-08, 07:51 PM
He may be an option next season if we don't get Texiera but for now we have Matsui at DH and Gaimbi is doing well at first.
effdamets
06-17-08, 07:50 AM
He actually became a vegetarian during the off-season. I don't know if he's still sticking to it, but he was at the beginning of the season.
That's right.
Sorry for the oversight.
He's likely reaching for refridgerators full of salad and ranch dressing.
It's even more crazy to be that big AND be a vegetarian.
Still - no thank you to the non-athletic types!
Mr. Mxylsplk
06-17-08, 08:59 AM
It's even more crazy to be that big AND be a vegetarian.
That's a lot of black bean pancakes.
That's right.
Sorry for the oversight.
He's likely reaching for refridgerators full of salad and ranch dressing.
It's even more crazy to be that big AND be a vegetarian.
Still - no thank you to the non-athletic types!
Not a fan of Ortiz? Hell Cecil was pretty good for awhile. Giambi he's not the most athletic fellow in the world. Prince is far too young, will be break down? Perhaps but to expect it this soon is silly.
I'd rather wait and try to sign Adam Dunn in the off-season if you want a big lefty slugger. Dunn's 28, if I'm not mistaken.
Jumpman_DJ
06-17-08, 09:27 PM
I'd rather wait and try to sign Adam Dunn in the off-season if you want a big lefty slugger. Dunn's 28, if I'm not mistaken.
This guy may hit 40 hrs a year but he also strikes out more than Reggie used to.
Ynkcpt23
06-17-08, 09:30 PM
If we traded for him and I don't think there is any chance we will. I'd put Matsui in LF, Damon CF, Giambi 1B, Fielder DH.
That would quite possibly make us the worst fielding team in the AL. Please.
Ynkcpt23
06-17-08, 09:33 PM
I'd rather wait and try to sign Adam Dunn in the off-season if you want a big lefty slugger. Dunn's 28, if I'm not mistaken.
Can we please stop talking about Dunn? Seriously. That guy is used up and he's not even 30. He's a hired bat at best, the last thing we need. I can't believe you'd even bring up a guy that makes a Matsui/Damon tandem in the field sound reasonable.
yankeeman61
06-17-08, 09:34 PM
That would quite possibly make us the worse fielding team in the AL. Please.
Yep. Thankfully a professional GM is in place.
It ain't happening anyway. Britton doesn't want the competition for the post game banquet.
Can we please stop talking about Dunn? Seriously. That guy is used up and he's not even 30. He's a hired bat at best, the last thing we need. I can't believe you'd even bring up a guy that makes a Matsui/Damon tandem in the field sound reasonable.
For a guy that's been healthy his whole career, still under 30, hits 40+ homers, .380 career OBP, and could be had without trading any farm chips?...there's the bench, Melky. (which means an improved bench, at that.)
"Used up?" Go try to locate some of those home run balls that haven't landed yet in Cincy. He already has 18 homers and counting.
Also, in case you thought I want him in the field...No. I'd want him as the primary DH. Maybe part-time fielder. Just to clear that up.
This guy may hit 40 hrs a year but he also strikes out more than Reggie used to.
1) It takes at least 3 pitches to strike out. Last I checked, the Yanks like guys who work deep counts.
2) Again, career .380 OBP. He gets on base plenty.
3) Strikeouts are usually better than double plays.
Jumpman_DJ
06-18-08, 06:50 AM
1) It takes at least 3 pitches to strike out. Last I checked, the Yanks like guys who work deep counts.
2) Again, career .380 OBP. He gets on base plenty.
3) Strikeouts are usually better than double plays.
1.Yes it does take three pitches to strike out
2.Career .247 avg 1161 k's only 735 bb's in 3566 career ab's....... yeah his obp is .380 but he is not the anwser here, he is sluggish and big and 30 yearsold already. youth is the key, not go out and buy the Big hitters with high obp.( I.E. -Giambi)
3.K's are alot better than Double plays except when there are runners in scoring position with 2 outs.
Mr. Mxylsplk
06-18-08, 09:33 AM
only 735 bb's in 3566 career ab's.......
Only?
Ynkcpt23
06-18-08, 09:37 AM
For a guy that's been healthy his whole career, still under 30, hits 40+ homers, .380 career OBP, and could be had without trading any farm chips?...there's the bench, Melky. (which means an improved bench, at that.)
"Used up?" Go try to locate some of those home run balls that haven't landed yet in Cincy. He already has 18 homers and counting.
Also, in case you thought I want him in the field...No. I'd want him as the primary DH. Maybe part-time fielder. Just to clear that up.
Yeah, but I think the primary reason he's stayed healthy is because of the lead weight around his torso. Hard to get hurt when you can't pick up speed.
Yeah, he hits long HRs. We've got plenty of guys that do that already. Plus, if he's not going to play the field, how many ABs does he get at DH on this team?
Yeah, bench Melky. Brilliant. Maybe Capt. Bloated can be pencilled in for LF so Damon can stretch out his limp noodle in center? Great idea...just to clear that up.
Mr. Mxylsplk
06-18-08, 09:38 AM
This is getting good.
Ynkcpt23
06-18-08, 09:44 AM
This is getting good.
I know, sorry, the caffeine finally kicked in right when I read his response. Just wondering how that guy could possibly help us move forward. We need arms not mashers. And limiting our defense behind uncertain pitching is a bad move.
Yeah, but I think the primary reason he's stayed healthy is because of the lead weight around his torso. Hard to get hurt when you can't pick up speed.
Yeah, he hits long HRs. We've got plenty of guys that do that already. Plus, if he's not going to play the field, how many ABs does he get at DH on this team?
Yeah, bench Melky. Brilliant. Maybe Capt. Bloated can be pencilled in for LF so Damon can stretch out his limp noodle in center? Great idea...just to clear that up.
We have guys who hit long HRs this year. What about next year when Giambi is gone? If you keep Abreu around, Melky can get plenty of time alternating in RF and CF, with Dunn and Matsui alternating in LF. You can upgrade the defense at the end of the game by sticking Damon in LF and Melky in CF.
I'm not looking to give Dunn a 10 year deal here. 4-5 years would be nice. Otherwise, no thanks.
You said "limp noodle." *snickers childishly*
1.Yes it does take three pitches to strike out
2.Career .247 avg 1161 k's only 735 bb's in 3566 career ab's....... yeah his obp is .380 but he is not the anwser here, he is sluggish and big and 30 yearsold already. youth is the key, not go out and buy the Big hitters with high obp.( I.E. -Giambi)
3.K's are alot better than Double plays except when there are runners in scoring position with 2 outs.
You just cited Giambi, who is one of our best hitters right now. If you can swap him out next year with a younger version of him, it would be foolish not to do so if you can get him. You want Alberto Gonzalez hitting 1-9? Matsui and Damon are doing well, but they're not getting younger either.
Dunn from 2005-2007, runners in scoring position w/ 2 out: .937 OPS (.465 OBP)
This year, same situation: .842 OPS (.387 OBP) - currently better than Giambi.
Youth is important, but I don't see anything wrong with signing a big hitter like Dunn (as long as the length of contract is right) to displace the Big G in the lineup. Again, Dunn's been healthy to this point in his career.
Jumpman_DJ
06-18-08, 01:50 PM
Look im not really feeling a guy who can only hit home runs. We didnt need a home run hitter in 96 and it can be done with contact guys. Id rather have a younger player who is going to play hard and give 100 %rather than a guy who is gonna be on the wqrong side of 30 for the whole contract. AS it seems this season we have at times looked lethargic. Too many players over 30 with large contracts. Isnt that what the team is looking to get away from. If not then why didnt we go out and trade Melky and sign Torii Hunter in the offseason?
Look im not really feeling a guy who can only hit home runs. We didnt need a home run hitter in 96 and it can be done with contact guys. Id rather have a younger player who is going to play hard and give 100 %rather than a guy who is gonna be on the wqrong side of 30 for the whole contract. AS it seems this season we have at times looked lethargic. Too many players over 30 with large contracts. Isnt that what the team is looking to get away from. If not then why didnt we go out and trade Melky and sign Torii Hunter in the offseason?
I'm not really sold on "going to play hard and give 100%" as much as I am career OPS=.901, career OBP= .382, OBP(2008)= .401, SLG.= ~.520. And BTW, Dunn is 28... turns 29 in the offseason. But, if you don't like guys who can only hit HRs, then by all means stick with Melky and "playing hard"
Ynkcpt23
06-18-08, 02:39 PM
We have guys who hit long HRs this year. What about next year when Giambi is gone? If you keep Abreu around, Melky can get plenty of time alternating in RF and CF, with Dunn and Matsui alternating in LF. You can upgrade the defense at the end of the game by sticking Damon in LF and Melky in CF.
I'm not looking to give Dunn a 10 year deal here. 4-5 years would be nice. Otherwise, no thanks.
You said "limp noodle." *snickers childishly*
:lol:
I need to stick to one thread I think! I've been on the Giambi thread where most of us are thinking Giambi might be around another year, maybe two. Obviously this is assuming he continues to produce as well as he has...
I see your point, though--you're working from the idea that not only Giambi but Abreu could both be gone. I gotcha. Yeah, I guess we could do worse. I'm definitely not a big fan, though. I'd like to see what Gardner can do before we commit $$ to Dunn.
primetime714
06-18-08, 02:54 PM
I don't want Dunn for the shear fact that we have nowhere to put him without trading Matsui or Damon. Unless one of the 3 can play RF and replace Abreu, although I wouldn't be too pysched about seeing any of those 3 guys in RF as none of them have a good arm and only Damon has range.
Dunn can't play 1B and I would want him in the OF often as he's worse than Matsui out there.
Just sign Teixeira this offseason. Great defense at position of need and a great switch hitting bat.
Jumpman_DJ
06-18-08, 05:19 PM
I'm not really sold on "going to play hard and give 100%" as much as I am career OPS=.901, career OBP= .382, OBP(2008)= .401, SLG.= ~.520. And BTW, Dunn is 28... turns 29 in the offseason. But, if you don't like guys who can only hit HRs, then by all means stick with Melky and "playing hard"
I never mentioned Melky once as far as im concerned i thinks he is trash. He is at best a fourth outfielder. And Matsui and Damon are both 34. Dunn is alot like Jose Canseco in the outfield big bat not so great on defense. You would rather go out and spend on a guy who hits Home runs and strikes out tons, than someone who has something to prove.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and yours obviously includes Dunn. So be it. I would rather not spend the cash on his talent because im not so sure he would be a good fit.
And 29 years old signed for 4-5 years means on the wrong side of 30 for at least 3 years of his contract. Whats to say he translates into the American league, where in my Opinion the pitchers are better. I would rather take a shot on a young guy who came from our system than overpay for a player we may get stuck with....ALA Giambi.
Look im not really feeling a guy who can only hit home runs. We didnt need a home run hitter in 96 and it can be done with contact guys. Id rather have a younger player who is going to play hard and give 100 %rather than a guy who is gonna be on the wqrong side of 30 for the whole contract. AS it seems this season we have at times looked lethargic. Too many players over 30 with large contracts. Isnt that what the team is looking to get away from. If not then why didnt we go out and trade Melky and sign Torii Hunter in the offseason?
As I understood it, the team was looking to get away from trading young prospects. They may also be looking to avoid the luxury tax, which would mean no more big FA signings, but that remains to be seen.
Despite your point about 1996, they did bring in Cecil Fielder who hit 13 home runs in 200 ABs for us. Bernie had 30 homers and close to .400 OBP. O'Neill - .411 OBP. Boggs also close to .400 OBP.
Tino would probably be the best example of your '96 point. He did have 25 homers and 111 RBIs.
The game hasn't changed. Getting on base and hitting home runs are good traits. I'm not saying to make Dunn bat 1-9, but plugging him right into the 3rd spot in front of A-Rod makes the lineup all that much better, especially if you keep Abreu and bat him 5th. Talk about "Murderer's Row and Cano!"
Jumpman_DJ
06-19-08, 06:19 AM
As I understood it, the team was looking to get away from trading young prospects. They may also be looking to avoid the luxury tax, which would mean no more big FA signings, but that remains to be seen.
Despite your point about 1996, they did bring in Cecil Fielder who hit 13 home runs in 200 ABs for us. Bernie had 30 homers and close to .400 OBP. O'Neill - .411 OBP. Boggs also close to .400 OBP.
Tino would probably be the best example of your '96 point. He did have 25 homers and 111 RBIs.
The game hasn't changed. Getting on base and hitting home runs are good traits. I'm not saying to make Dunn bat 1-9, but plugging him right into the 3rd spot in front of A-Rod makes the lineup all that much better, especially if you keep Abreu and bat him 5th. Talk about "Murderer's Row and Cano!"
My point is if we are going to trade young players or sign big free agents, i would much rather try and get a guy like Matt Holiday( who plays hard and gives 100%) who is possibly on the block, than a guy like Dunn. As far as Murderers row goes, We still need pitching, and as the old cliche goes Pitching and Defense win titles. After this season, Pettitte and Mussina will most likely not be here, Wang Hughes Kennedy and Joba is Good but not alot of experience there.
I watch other coaches play small ball to score runs, and in the playoffs when pitching is more prevelant, you need to manufacture runs. MAn on first 0 outs why not bunt him over and set it up for your next guys to possibly bring him in. Time after time we sign big free agents who cant play all facets of the game. Until this season Giambi was a bad contract waiting to expire. Last year the damon signing looked like a bad idea, matsui continuosly grounding out to second was not a good sight for any fan, Dont get me started on Igawa and Pavano.Long term deals dont always work out espescially on players who rely on minimal tools.
Your point about Boggs, Oneill, Bernie and Tino reinforces my point of players who give 100 % all the time. Guys who didnt give away at bats.With the exception of Boggs- Those players had something to prove.
My point is if we are going to trade young players or sign big free agents, i would much rather try and get a guy like Matt Holiday( who plays hard and gives 100%) who is possibly on the block, than a guy like Dunn. As far as Murderers row goes, We still need pitching, and as the old cliche goes Pitching and Defense win titles. After this season, Pettitte and Mussina will most likely not be here, Wang Hughes Kennedy and Joba is Good but not alot of experience there.
I watch other coaches play small ball to score runs, and in the playoffs when pitching is more prevelant, you need to manufacture runs. MAn on first 0 outs why not bunt him over and set it up for your next guys to possibly bring him in. Time after time we sign big free agents who cant play all facets of the game.
Why not bunt him over? Because that more generally than not is a total waste of an out. I'm sure you'd love it if our clean up hitter was bunting over people with 0 outs instead of actually going for the homerun.
This guy may hit 40 hrs a year but he also strikes out more than Reggie used to.
Didn't they name a candy bar after that guy?
My point is if we are going to trade young players or sign big free agents, i would much rather try and get a guy like Matt Holiday( who plays hard and gives 100%) who is possibly on the block, than a guy like Dunn. As far as Murderers row goes, We still need pitching, and as the old cliche goes Pitching and Defense win titles. After this season, Pettitte and Mussina will most likely not be here, Wang Hughes Kennedy and Joba is Good but not alot of experience there.
I watch other coaches play small ball to score runs, and in the playoffs when pitching is more prevelant, you need to manufacture runs. MAn on first 0 outs why not bunt him over and set it up for your next guys to possibly bring him in. Time after time we sign big free agents who cant play all facets of the game. Until this season Giambi was a bad contract waiting to expire. Last year the damon signing looked like a bad idea, matsui continuosly grounding out to second was not a good sight for any fan, Dont get me started on Igawa and Pavano.Long term deals dont always work out espescially on players who rely on minimal tools.
Your point about Boggs, Oneill, Bernie and Tino reinforces my point of players who give 100 % all the time. Guys who didnt give away at bats.With the exception of Boggs- Those players had something to prove.
Your wish for Holliday kind of stresses my point. In his short career, Holliday has a career .382 OBP and has hit over 30 homers the past 2 years. He slugged .607 last year. If the Yanks could sign Matt Holliday without having to trade any chips for him (especially pitching chips), great. But that isn't the case. That could be the case with Dunn.
Damon is a notoriously "small ball" player. Giambi has had some great years for us, but he spent quite a few seasons on the DL with various ailments and controversy. Not the best of examples. Pettitte and Moose might or might not be back. Pitching is certainly a premium. If Sabathia can be had as a free agent, then go for it. But he'll likely be traded, which would cost Hughes and then some. No thanks.
You're looking for the bunt, where really the only time a bunt could be called for is 9th inning of Game 7. Then I can maybe understand pinch hitting Brett Gardner for Hank Aaron in order to get one down and move the runner to 3rd. It's one thing to work on fundamentals to be ready to be called upon for such a situation (that's why we do fire drills), but a sacrifice in the 3rd inning rarely wins you a ballgame, especially these days.
I'm not quite sure about your "gives 100% all the time" argument. Is Matsui dogging it as our DH? Damon checking out the hunnies in LF? When has A-Rod given away an at-bat? He's hit 4 homers in 4 games now, right? How selfish of him. Are you trying to tell me Dunn doesn't give 100% because he prefers to trot around the bases after blasting the ball 500 feet for a walk-off? Maybe you're right. Let's try Miguel Cairo instead.
If Jeter would have bunted in Houston, maybe Wang wouldn't be injured right now? Great, there goes my argument out the window. You win.
By the way, your beloved '96 team also had at least 2 drug addicts, 1 malcontent in Ruben Sierra, and Paul Gibson at one brief point.
They did move a lot on the basepaths, that's true, but the big moments of those playoffs came from Leyritz's homer, Jeter's "homer," and Girardi's triple. The team ranked 3rd in the AL that year in OBP. It was also a team that largely overachieved in many aspects. Mariano Duncan batted .340 in 400 ABs, at 33 years of age! The only other time he batted over .300 in his career was when he was 27 with the Reds. Speaking of Girardi, he hit .294 at 31 years of age, and the only other time he hit .290 was when he was 28 with Colorado. The cards just fell into place that year for that team to highly overachieve.
You know who likes to play small ball? Dusty Baker. He has guys like Dunn and Encarnacion bunt when the game is on the line. Then they fail to do so and hit homers to end the game, in the most selfish way possible. For all the talent on that team, there's no excuse for them to be in the cellar in the Central, behind Houston and Pittsburgh and Milwaukee.
The only ones who should bunt in the 3rd inning are pitchers. Then again, I happen to feel the NL should adopt the DH already, but that's a whole other debate.
By the way, the '98 Yanks ranked 1st in the AL in OBP, 4th in homers, they stole a lot of bases, but did not have a ton of sac flies or bunts.
THEBOSS84
06-19-08, 09:56 AM
Re: Dunn from mlbtraderumors.com today:
It certainly doesn't sound like the Blue Jays will be going after Adam Dunn while J.P. Ricciardi is at the helm. Check out this interview Ricciardi did with Mike Wilner of The Fan 590.
First a fan calls up and asks Ricciardi whether the Jays have interest in Dunn. Ricciardi replies that he's not interested in Dunn. Then he says:
"Maybe we have more information and know the player a little more than the average fan."
Interesting. Another fan calls up and says he's surprised Ricciardi would be so quick to dismiss a power bat like Dunn. Ricciardi really goes off on Dunn this time:
"He's a lifetime .230-.240 hitter that strikes out a ton and hits home runs.
Did you know the guy doesn't really like baseball that much? Did you know the guy doesn't have a passion to play the game that much? I don't think you'd be very happy if we brought Adam Dunn here...We've done our homework on guys like Adam Dunn and there's a reason why we don't want Adam Dunn."
Why not bunt him over? Because that more generally than not is a total waste of an out. I'm sure you'd love it if our clean up hitter was bunting over people with 0 outs instead of actually going for the homerun.
Or a double, that way he has to give 200% hustle into 2nd base.
"There's a reason why we don't want Adam Dunn."
How many times have your Jays made the playoffs with you as the GM, J.P.?
This is the same guy who released Frank Thomas this year before he went on a hitting tear with Oakland. (yes, I know he's on the DL right now, but everyone hits the DL these days, so he might as well pay a visit.)
I heard Erik Bedard doesn't love baseball either, but he's still a pretty good young pitcher. For a guy that doesn't have a passion for the game, Dunn still reports to work for at least 150 games a year. Most people don't have a passion for their jobs (though it sounds weird for baseball to be considered a job), but it doesn't stop some of them from excelling at what they do.
What's this "more" about Dunn that the average fan might not know? Roids? Maybe. That's all I can really see being a possible deterrent (I don't know whether he took anything illegal or not). That and the Jays don't like paying high salaries for elite hitters. Matt Stairs hit cleanup last night.
If the Jays don't like Dunn, I hear Andruw Jones might be available. That might make Rios and Wells more comfortable. But then again, I guess Wilkerson and Mench are too valuable to this team.
At least dumping Reed Johnson was a good idea. Oh, wait...not really.
Pitching may win championships, but you do need some offense. I think the Jays probably prove that point best. Look at their pitching staff. The starters, the bullpen...all brilliant! One of the best top to bottom in baseball. Yet they are in last place! How? Because they got Matt Stairs hitting cleanup! Halladay has 5 complete games already this season, and I think 3 of those have been no-decisions! Inexcusable!
smckdwn989
06-19-08, 02:39 PM
I'd rather wait and try to sign Adam Dunn in the off-season if you want a big lefty slugger. Dunn's 28, if I'm not mistaken.
no thanks to a guy that hits in the .230's and strikes out a ton.
teknetic
06-19-08, 02:42 PM
Dunn would be the Jays biggest threat offensively, J.P's quite the tool.
In Mo I Trust
06-19-08, 02:46 PM
no thanks to a guy that hits in the .230's and strikes out a ton.
What about a guy who gets on base at an excellent clip and will be a lock to mash 40+ HRs at Yankee Stadium?
no thanks to a guy that hits in the .230's and strikes out a ton.
Is that you, J.P?
He has a lifetime OPS over .900.
no thanks to a guy that hits in the .230's and strikes out a ton.
...............
Rinse and repeat.
Dunn's response regarding Ricciardi:
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080507&content_id=2655965&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
Even Dusty Baker gets quoted in the smartest line I've ever seen out of him: "All I know is that, if I'm Adam Dunn, they'd [the Blue Jays] have a hard time getting me out, no lie."
Dunn, regarding any possible trade to Toronto in the future: "I'm not converting my dollars to loonies and toonies just yet."
flymick24
06-19-08, 03:47 PM
prince fielder just hit his 2nd career inside the park HR today
the guy can fly :lol:
prince fielder just hit his 2nd career inside the park HR today
the guy can fly :lol:
Pinch runner off the bench? :D
smckdwn989
06-19-08, 04:00 PM
Is that you, J.P?
He has a lifetime OPS over .900.
i don't care. he's basically feast or famine. i'll take mark teixeira even if he costs more money and more years.
i don't care. he's basically feast or famine. i'll take mark teixeira even if he costs more money and more years.
Suit yourself.
I'll admit he's sometimes pretty ugly at the plate, but ... aesthetics aside, he's an elite run producer and he always has been.
BTW, Mark Teixeira's OPS this season is .790. Adam Dunn's is .909.
Mr. Mxylsplk
06-19-08, 04:08 PM
BTW, Mark Teixeira's OPS this season is .790. Adam Dunn's is .909.
Yeah, but he's hitting .266. ;)
i don't care. he's basically feast or famine. i'll take mark teixeira even if he costs more money and more years.
"Feast or famine." I love that argument. So you're saying he either gets the job done or he doesn't? Well done. I happen to know he gets the job done 38% of the time over his career. We could definitely do worse than adding a guy like that to our lineup. One example of doing worse than that: Mark Teixeira. Though admittedly I wouldn't mind having him play 1B for me.
Now that I've managed to hijack this thread with Dunn talk, here's one for J.P. if he's reading (and I'm sure some of you have seen it by now): http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2008/06/rough-year-for-jp-ricciardi-huh.html
"Feast or famine." I love that argument. So you're saying he either gets the job done or he doesn't? Well done. I happen to know he gets the job done 38% of the time over his career. We could definitely do worse than adding a guy like that to our lineup. One example of doing worse than that: Mark Teixeira. Though admittedly I wouldn't mind having him play 1B for me.
Now that I've managed to hijack this thread with Dunn talk, here's one for J.P. if he's reading (and I'm sure some of you have seen it by now): http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2008/06/rough-year-for-jp-ricciardi-huh.html
J.P.? Some writer in the Toronto press had it right about him..... he's little more than hype and hair gel.
smckdwn989
06-19-08, 05:22 PM
"Feast or famine." I love that argument. So you're saying he either gets the job done or he doesn't? Well done. I happen to know he gets the job done 38% of the time over his career. We could definitely do worse than adding a guy like that to our lineup. One example of doing worse than that: Mark Teixeira. Though admittedly I wouldn't mind having him play 1B for me.
Now that I've managed to hijack this thread with Dunn talk, here's one for J.P. if he's reading (and I'm sure some of you have seen it by now): http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2008/06/rough-year-for-jp-ricciardi-huh.html
i don't care. i'd rather see giambi come back next year before I went after Adam Dunn. Might I add Giambi's OPS is better than Dunn's.
i understand what OPS is, you don't have to give me a lesson. Regardless, I don't care, I don't want Adam Dunn on this team. 72 Strikesouts already this year.
i don't care. i'd rather see giambi come back next year before I went after Adam Dunn. Might I add Giambi's OPS is better than Dunn's.
i understand what OPS is, you don't have to give me a lesson. Regardless, I don't care, I don't want Adam Dunn on this team. 72 Strikesouts already this year.
Also 61 walks..... leads the majors.
smckdwn989
06-19-08, 06:21 PM
Also 61 walks..... leads the majors.
i looked at his stats, still want no part of him. teixiera is more appealing to me, puts the ball in play more, switch hitter, great defense. he compliments the lineup nicely. even giambi is a better fit.
i looked at his stats, still want no part of him. teixiera is more appealing to me, puts the ball in play more, switch hitter, great defense. he compliments the lineup nicely. even giambi is a better fit.
Giambi is $7M more expensive.
smckdwn989
06-19-08, 06:43 PM
Giambi is $7M more expensive.
how do we know how much these players will be making next year?
note: we don't
how do we know how much these players will be making next year?
note: we don't
We can make a reasonable guess. Dunn makes $13M this year, and he'd probably be happy to extend for J.D. Drew-ish money.
Giambi can be resigned for some number + $5M buyout or the Yankees can grab his option for $22M. He's having an excellent year, so the Yankees are not going to be able to resign him on the cheap.
Giambi is also 8 or 9 years older and has broken down physically in the past.
smckdwn989
06-19-08, 07:34 PM
Giambi is also 8 or 9 years older and has broken down physically in the past.
this is true, but having him for another year wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if they cannot get teixeira.
Jumpman_DJ
06-19-08, 07:58 PM
Why not bunt him over? Because that more generally than not is a total waste of an out. I'm sure you'd love it if our clean up hitter was bunting over people with 0 outs instead of actually going for the homerun.
Forget cleanup hitter can Robbie Cano get a bunt down that answer is no, Can posada, Melky or matsui, NO Jeter and damon are the only ones that can do that.
Jumpman_DJ
06-19-08, 08:10 PM
Your wish for Holliday kind of stresses my point. In his short career, Holliday has a career .382 OBP and has hit over 30 homers the past 2 years. He slugged .607 last year. If the Yanks could sign Matt Holliday without having to trade any chips for him (especially pitching chips), great. But that isn't the case. That could be the case with Dunn.
Damon is a notoriously "small ball" player. Giambi has had some great years for us, but he spent quite a few seasons on the DL with various ailments and controversy. Not the best of examples. Pettitte and Moose might or might not be back. Pitching is certainly a premium. If Sabathia can be had as a free agent, then go for it. But he'll likely be traded, which would cost Hughes and then some. No thanks.
You're looking for the bunt, where really the only time a bunt could be called for is 9th inning of Game 7. Then I can maybe understand pinch hitting Brett Gardner for Hank Aaron in order to get one down and move the runner to 3rd. It's one thing to work on fundamentals to be ready to be called upon for such a situation (that's why we do fire drills), but a sacrifice in the 3rd inning rarely wins you a ballgame, especially these days.
I'm not quite sure about your "gives 100% all the time" argument. Is Matsui dogging it as our DH? Damon checking out the hunnies in LF? When has A-Rod given away an at-bat? He's hit 4 homers in 4 games now, right? How selfish of him. Are you trying to tell me Dunn doesn't give 100% because he prefers to trot around the bases after blasting the ball 500 feet for a walk-off? Maybe you're right. Let's try Miguel Cairo instead.
If Jeter would have bunted in Houston, maybe Wang wouldn't be injured right now? Great, there goes my argument out the window. You win.
By the way, your beloved '96 team also had at least 2 drug addicts, 1 malcontent in Ruben Sierra, and Paul Gibson at one brief point.
They did move a lot on the basepaths, that's true, but the big moments of those playoffs came from Leyritz's homer, Jeter's "homer," and Girardi's triple. The team ranked 3rd in the AL that year in OBP. It was also a team that largely overachieved in many aspects. Mariano Duncan batted .340 in 400 ABs, at 33 years of age! The only other time he batted over .300 in his career was when he was 27 with the Reds. Speaking of Girardi, he hit .294 at 31 years of age, and the only other time he hit .290 was when he was 28 with Colorado. The cards just fell into place that year for that team to highly overachieve.
You know who likes to play small ball? Dusty Baker. He has guys like Dunn and Encarnacion bunt when the game is on the line. Then they fail to do so and hit homers to end the game, in the most selfish way possible. For all the talent on that team, there's no excuse for them to be in the cellar in the Central, behind Houston and Pittsburgh and Milwaukee.
The only ones who should bunt in the 3rd inning are pitchers. Then again, I happen to feel the NL should adopt the DH already, but that's a whole other debate.
By the way, the '98 Yanks ranked 1st in the AL in OBP, 4th in homers, they stole a lot of bases, but did not have a ton of sac flies or bunts.
I will start with the Brett Gardner for Hank Aaron thing, 1 im not a moron and 2 NOone in their right mind would pinch hit for Aaron ruth Arod or jeter, So lets not blow smoke up your ass on that one.
Next i will address the Adam Dunn trotting around the bases after he hits a 500 foot home run IN A LAUNCHING PAD OF A STADIUM. Great American is a lunchbox size stadium that has a jetstream in the middle of it. IM not gonna say Dunn cant hit them anywhere but it makes it real easy to hit when you play in a shoebox.By the way we tried Cairo and then we traded for Raul Mondesi.Dont believe for one minute Damon doesnt look at the honies out in LF.
Jeter not bunting oh well, so we lost our no.1 starter til september guess it doesnt matter huh.
I guess you didnt celebrate the 96 team when they WON THE SERIES! Team effort doesnt matter if they were on crack, weed or beating up drunks at the bar. They won. I chalk up those moments your referring to as Aura and Mystique, the Yanks got alot of breaks along the way to titles, such as KNobbies phantom tag.But they won right and if your a Yankee fan im sure you didnt mind them getting the benfit of the doubt.
Dusty has NO pitching to help him out otherwise he would be leading them to the NLchampionship series like he did in Chicago when he did bunt and move runners over in the playoffs.
I cant argue with your 98 yanks stats.... sorry.
Mr. Mxylsplk
06-19-08, 10:20 PM
Whoa, this has exceeded even my pretty wild expectations.
I will start with the Brett Gardner for Hank Aaron thing, 1 im not a moron and 2 NOone in their right mind would pinch hit for Aaron ruth Arod or jeter, So lets not blow smoke up your ass on that one.
Next i will address the Adam Dunn trotting around the bases after he hits a 500 foot home run IN A LAUNCHING PAD OF A STADIUM. Great American is a lunchbox size stadium that has a jetstream in the middle of it. IM not gonna say Dunn cant hit them anywhere but it makes it real easy to hit when you play in a shoebox.By the way we tried Cairo and then we traded for Raul Mondesi.Dont believe for one minute Damon doesnt look at the honies out in LF.
Jeter not bunting oh well, so we lost our no.1 starter til september guess it doesnt matter huh.
I guess you didnt celebrate the 96 team when they WON THE SERIES! Team effort doesnt matter if they were on crack, weed or beating up drunks at the bar. They won. I chalk up those moments your referring to as Aura and Mystique, the Yanks got alot of breaks along the way to titles, such as KNobbies phantom tag.But they won right and if your a Yankee fan im sure you didnt mind them getting the benfit of the doubt.
Dusty has NO pitching to help him out otherwise he would be leading them to the NLchampionship series like he did in Chicago when he did bunt and move runners over in the playoffs.
I cant argue with your 98 yanks stats.... sorry.
Ok, let's try to sort this out. Starting with the Dunn in a bandbox argument, moving him to 81 games with a short porch in RF won't hurt his home run production one bit. The guy is a power house.
Jeter didn't bunt, Wang got hurt running the bases. Of course it matters that we've lost him for the year, but if he didn't get hurt it's just a 2-run base knock. No problem. Even though I think pitchers should no longer hit since they don't anywhere else, the fact of the matter is plenty of pitchers run the bases without getting hurt. This was a freak thing.
Dusty has Edinson Volquez, probably the best pitcher in the NL right now. He has Harang, who has been one of the best pitchers in the NL. Johnny Cueto, people were amazed with his potential. Cordero in the bullpen. He's got plenty of pitching, they're just underperforming.
Otherwise, big reason why Dusty would be leading them to the NL championship series: Adam Dunn.
Jumpman_DJ
06-21-08, 08:18 AM
Ok, let's try to sort this out. Starting with the Dunn in a bandbox argument, moving him to 81 games with a short porch in RF won't hurt his home run production one bit. The guy is a power house.
Jeter didn't bunt, Wang got hurt running the bases. Of course it matters that we've lost him for the year, but if he didn't get hurt it's just a 2-run base knock. No problem. Even though I think pitchers should no longer hit since they don't anywhere else, the fact of the matter is plenty of pitchers run the bases without getting hurt. This was a freak thing.
Dusty has Edinson Volquez, probably the best pitcher in the NL right now. He has Harang, who has been one of the best pitchers in the NL. Johnny Cueto, people were amazed with his potential. Cordero in the bullpen. He's got plenty of pitching, they're just underperforming.
Otherwise, big reason why Dusty would be leading them to the NL championship series: Adam Dunn.
Has Harang performed this seson like in years past ? No. Volquez is good but Cueto is over rated in my opinion.
As for the continuing Dunn Argument, i hope you cought the Blue jays Gm comments on him, because they were about as truthful as any ive heard. It was something along the lines of if i trade for this guy you people will be calling on a tuesday or wednesday night and ask Why the hell did you get this guy? IF i can find a link ill post it but the whole point was that it questioned his passion about playing. Ill pass. Considering reports now are the yankees may keep Giambi past this year at a lower price than his $22 million option, it would be wiser to get a righthanded Bat instead of another lefty.
Mr. Mxylsplk
06-21-08, 08:24 AM
Using JP Riccardi as support isn't going to get anyone very far.
nnysiny
06-21-08, 08:44 AM
just saw that Fielder is listed at 5'11, 270 lbs. good lord. no more DHs, please
teknetic
06-21-08, 08:52 AM
Has Harang performed this seson like in years past ? No. Volquez is good but Cueto is over rated in my opinion.
As for the continuing Dunn Argument, i hope you cought the Blue jays Gm comments on him, because they were about as truthful as any ive heard. It was something along the lines of if i trade for this guy you people will be calling on a tuesday or wednesday night and ask Why the hell did you get this guy? IF i can find a link ill post it but the whole point was that it questioned his passion about playing. Ill pass. Considering reports now are the yankees may keep Giambi past this year at a lower price than his $22 million option, it would be wiser to get a righthanded Bat instead of another lefty.
Perfect example!
Has Harang performed this seson like in years past ? No. Volquez is good but Cueto is over rated in my opinion.
As for the continuing Dunn Argument, i hope you cought the Blue jays Gm comments on him, because they were about as truthful as any ive heard. It was something along the lines of if i trade for this guy you people will be calling on a tuesday or wednesday night and ask Why the hell did you get this guy? IF i can find a link ill post it but the whole point was that it questioned his passion about playing. Ill pass. Considering reports now are the yankees may keep Giambi past this year at a lower price than his $22 million option, it would be wiser to get a righthanded Bat instead of another lefty.
Don't bother, they've already been posted here. Read the thread, it's only 3 pages. And I've already long since responded to Ricciardi's comments. Summary of my response: Ricciardi is not long for his job because, first of all, you don't bad mouth a player in the media when you're in charge of baseball operations. It's just not smart. Could you imagine if Cashman went and did something like that? Secondly, when you release Frank Thomas and Reed Johnson in exchange for Brad Wilkerson and Kevin Mench, you clearly don't know what you're doing and you clearly don't want to pay for offense. The Jays have some of the best pitching in baseball, but maybe the worst lineup to go with it.
Case in point, they lost to the Pirates last night, 1-0 in 12 innings. Yet another brilliant start wasted for Halladay. Zach Duke is pretty good, but I'm sure if he had to choose one lineup to face in order to give him the best chance to win a ballgame, he'd love to face the Blue Jay lineup everytime.
I'm personally not for keeping Giambi at 38 years old and $22 million. I'd rather give 4-5 years and $15-20 million per to a 29 year old Dunn. I'd be amazed if Giambi doesn't break down before the end of next year.
As for your comment about a heavy lefty lineup. If any team can afford to do that, it's the Yanks. They play 81 games with that short porch in RF. And I'd rather bat Adam Dunn than Alberto Gonzalez just because he's a righty.
Jumpman_DJ
06-22-08, 04:52 PM
Don't bother, they've already been posted here. Read the thread, it's only 3 pages. And I've already long since responded to Ricciardi's comments. Summary of my response: Ricciardi is not long for his job because, first of all, you don't bad mouth a player in the media when you're in charge of baseball operations. It's just not smart. Could you imagine if Cashman went and did something like that? Secondly, when you release Frank Thomas and Reed Johnson in exchange for Brad Wilkerson and Kevin Mench, you clearly don't know what you're doing and you clearly don't want to pay for offense. The Jays have some of the best pitching in baseball, but maybe the worst lineup to go with it.
Case in point, they lost to the Pirates last night, 1-0 in 12 innings. Yet another brilliant start wasted for Halladay. Zach Duke is pretty good, but I'm sure if he had to choose one lineup to face in order to give him the best chance to win a ballgame, he'd love to face the Blue Jay lineup everytime.
I'm personally not for keeping Giambi at 38 years old and $22 million. I'd rather give 4-5 years and $15-20 million per to a 29 year old Dunn. I'd be amazed if Giambi doesn't break down before the end of next year.
As for your comment about a heavy lefty lineup. If any team can afford to do that, it's the Yanks. They play 81 games with that short porch in RF. And I'd rather bat Adam Dunn than Alberto Gonzalez just because he's a righty.
IM sure we can find a better righty bat than Alberto Gonzalez. And im not really for keeping Giambi either we are about to shed something like $80 million this offseason.
Martini6196
06-23-08, 11:42 AM
As of today Dunn is now 6 for his last 66.
JL25and3
06-23-08, 02:31 PM
As far as Murderers row goes, We still need pitching, and as the old cliche goes Pitching and Defense win titles.
Well, Earl Weaver's formula was pitching, defense and three-run homers. Earl was pretty successful with that.
swityak11
06-23-08, 03:42 PM
Now that I've managed to hijack this thread with Dunn talk, here's one for J.P. if he's reading (and I'm sure some of you have seen it by now): http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2008/06/rough-year-for-jp-ricciardi-huh.htmlThis is excellent. I love FJM.
I'd rather wait and try to sign Adam Dunn in the off-season if you want a big lefty slugger. Dunn's 28, if I'm not mistaken.
Adam "K-Master" Dunn
Adam "K-Master" Dunn
Never heard of him.
I think the previous poster was referring to Adam "40 HRs 4 years in a row, lifetime OPS near .900" Dunn.
As of today Dunn is now 6 for his last 66.
Heading into today, his OBP is .386 with an OPS of .880.
Melky's OPS? .681 (Not just trying to single out Melky, but I don't even want to look at Cano's stats)
I'm pretty sure Dunn would still be an improvement.
primetime714
06-28-08, 10:20 AM
I think I might be able to live with Adam Dunn's batting average and strikeout problems if the guy were able to actually play a position. He is awful in LF and even worse at 1B. Signing a DH to a long term contract on a team with several aging veterans is a big mistake.
How is Prince at 1B? Can he handle the position or is more or less a DH that has to play 1B in the NL? If he can play 1B well I think he might be our best option to add youth to this offense. The guy is 24 and is easily one of the best power hitters and overall hitters in the game.
I think I might be able to live with Adam Dunn's batting average and strikeout problems if the guy were able to actually play a position. He is awful in LF and even worse at 1B. Signing a DH to a long term contract on a team with several aging veterans is a big mistake.
How is Prince at 1B? Can he handle the position or is more or less a DH that has to play 1B in the NL? If he can play 1B well I think he might be our best option to add youth to this offense. The guy is 24 and is easily one of the best power hitters and overall hitters in the game.
Prince has DH written all over him as well.
Snatch Catch
08-05-08, 12:52 PM
I bet he's a hot name this offseason, especially due to the dugout fight he got in with Manny Parra last night.
He's already a malcontent in Milwaukee, and now this. I'd be pretty shocked if his name doesn't become a pretty big one in rumors this winter.
iWant27
08-07-08, 12:01 PM
I didnt read the whole thread just the title . Why would anyone start this thread seriously ?
What do you think ? Would he be traded ? Team's one of the best hitters in a playoff hunt and could he be traded .
Some fans need to think first before starting a thread .
teknetic
08-07-08, 12:20 PM
What do you think ? Would he be traded ? Team's one of the best hitters in a playoff hunt and could he be traded .
Some fans need to think first before starting a thread .
I read this a few times, but what?
This is ITl II, why do you care?
NelsonMuntz
08-07-08, 12:52 PM
He strikes me as a bit of a jerk.
Bleacher_Creature
08-07-08, 01:02 PM
I didnt read the whole thread just the title . Why would anyone start this thread seriously ?
What do you think ? Would he be traded ? Team's one of the best hitters in a playoff hunt and could he be traded .
Some fans need to think first before starting a thread .
Wow...I didn't know ITL 2 had thread police....
Read the article first, which was posted before Sabathia was traded, then it may make a little more sense.
teknetic
08-07-08, 01:19 PM
He strikes me as a bit of a jerk.
According to some Brewers fans on another board, he's taken shots at the fans for not being supportive enough. He supposedly did it last year also.
THEBOSS84
08-07-08, 01:38 PM
According to some Brewers fans on another board, he's taken shots at the fans for not being supportive enough. He supposedly did it last year also.
Give him a break, he plays in Milwaukee. I've been there around 8-10 times on business - booooooooring.
Bleacher_Creature
10-08-08, 09:07 AM
Where Could Prince Land? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/10/where-could-pri.html)
Prince Fielder will be an intriguing name if he hits the trade market. Many teams will not be able to afford Mark Teixeira, while Ryan Howard is apparently unavailable (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/10/dont-expect-rya.html). So three years of Prince at a reasonable price looks pretty good. Which teams have a vacancy at first base?
Yankees.
The Brewers would probably want MLB-ready talent, meaning Phil Hughes.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/10/where-could-pri.html
This is only pure speculation on the writer's part by the way....
THEBOSS84
10-08-08, 09:11 AM
As I said in the offseason ideas thread, I'd trade Hughes for Prince if we were to sign TWO big ticket pitchers. That would be my only condition.
I'm thinkin that if any team is going to deal one of their premier players to the Yanks, the deal is going to start with Hughes/Joba..... for me, no way, no trades... free agency is the way to acquire premier players
JohnnyDamonfan
10-16-08, 08:58 AM
As I said in the offseason ideas thread, I'd trade Hughes for Prince if we were to sign TWO big ticket pitchers. That would be my only condition.
I'm having trouble what exactly is "Big Ticket pitchers"? Would that be qualified as like CC and Burnett? Or CC/Moose/Pettitte?
THEBOSS84
10-16-08, 09:00 AM
I'm having trouble what exactly is "Big Ticket pitchers"? Would that be qualified as like CC and Burnett? Or CC/Moose/Pettitte?
CC and another solid pitcher who we would control for 3 or more years.
JohnnyDamonfan
10-16-08, 09:05 AM
CC and another solid pitcher who we would control for 3 or more years.
So something like CC/ Burnett. I think those would be the only options unless you want to trade for another solid pitcher. Burnett might be a little bit of a risk but he is a solid pitcher.
As I said in the offseason ideas thread, I'd trade Hughes for Prince if we were to sign TWO big ticket pitchers. That would be my only condition.
Not for nothing, but hasn't anyone learned you can't just buy players and expect to win? The Cubs took the same Yankee approach and look how far they got. Compare those to the 4 teams currently in the mix who have a solid core of home grown talent.
JohnnyDamonfan
10-16-08, 09:26 AM
Not for nothing, but hasn't anyone learned you can't just buy players and expect to win? The Cubs took the same Yankee approach and look how far they got. Compare those to the 4 teams currently in the mix who have a solid core of home grown talent.
I wouldn't really call the Red Sox a "Solid Core" of Home Grown talent. But other then that you've got a point.
Where Could Prince Land? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/10/where-could-pri.html)
Prince Fielder will be an intriguing name if he hits the trade market. Many teams will not be able to afford Mark Teixeira, while Ryan Howard is apparently unavailable (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/10/dont-expect-rya.html). So three years of Prince at a reasonable price looks pretty good. Which teams have a vacancy at first base?
Yankees.
The Brewers would probably want MLB-ready talent, meaning Phil Hughes.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/10/where-could-pri.html
This is only pure speculation on the writer's part by the way....
I'd be tempted on that one, but would probably say no or at least try to talk it down to Kennedy and maybe someone else like Melancon (even though I'm eagerly awaiting the chance to see what Melancon can do). Prince is a big player, literally and figuratively. As I said, he has DH written all over him, but he can certainly hit and he's still young. Still, I don't think I'd give up Hughes for him.
Slioman
10-16-08, 07:50 PM
I'd be tempted on that one, but would probably say no or at least try to talk it down to Kennedy and maybe someone else like Melancon (even though I'm eagerly awaiting the chance to see what Melancon can do). Prince is a big player, literally and figuratively. As I said, he has DH written all over him, but he can certainly hit and he's still young. Still, I don't think I'd give up Hughes for him.
I'm pretty sure that they won't accept Kennedy or Melancon for Fielder, personally.
THEBOSS84
10-16-08, 07:52 PM
IPK and Melancon? Come on guys. The dude hit FIFTY homers as a 23 year old in 2007.
teknetic
10-16-08, 08:06 PM
Trade Melancon? no wai.
THEBOSS84
10-16-08, 08:24 PM
Trade Melancon? no wai.
You would make him an untouchable? I'd trade him without much hesitation if the return is right. Especially in a deal for a talented position player.
cliftonite
10-16-08, 09:14 PM
You would make him an untouchable? I'd trade him without much hesitation if the return is right. Especially in a deal for a talented position player. As would I but not for someone who is morbidly obese.
Yankee Fan in Boston
10-16-08, 10:37 PM
As would I but not for someone who is morbidly obese.
Well, it won't matter. I am pretty sure Milwaukee is not doing that unless Melancon brings some friends in that deal.
IPK and Melancon? Come on guys. The dude hit FIFTY homers as a 23 year old in 2007.
And 28 the year before and 34 this last year. He's definitely a player I'd like to have in my lineup, but we can't overrate him. He has his father's genes. You want to empty out the farm for a future DH?
Well, it won't matter. I am pretty sure Milwaukee is not doing that unless Melancon brings some friends in that deal.
Add in Kennedy, Marquez, and cash.
You would make him an untouchable? I'd trade him without much hesitation if the return is right. Especially in a deal for a talented position player.
Too much of a one dimensional player. Doesn't hit over .300, weight issues, K's a lot, DH waiting to happen. I don't empty our farm systems and give a lot of money to players like that.
THEBOSS84
10-18-08, 01:31 PM
Too much of a one dimensional player. Doesn't hit over .300, weight issues, K's a lot, DH waiting to happen. I don't empty our farm systems and give a lot of money to players like that.
His OPS+ in 2007 was 158 as a 23 year old. No, he's not athletic. I still would want him on the Yanks if the package isn't out of control.
Slioman
10-18-08, 01:42 PM
Add in Kennedy, Marquez, and cash.
I still don't see this as nearly enough. Think of it this way, you have a hitter who averaged 37 HRs per year in the last 3 years. His isolated OBP is almost .100 and his career average is .270. He's the youngest player to hit 50 HRs in a season.
Do you trade him for a pitcher who posted an 8.17 ERA last year, a 24-year-old who posted a 5.45 K/9 in the minors this year and who has struggled with injuries, and a strong relief pitching prospect? I think they ask for more, especially because they made the playoffs this season.
His OPS+ in 2007 was 158 as a 23 year old. No, he's not athletic. I still would want him on the Yanks if the package isn't out of control.
Thats the problem the package is gonna be out of control.
Zimmers' Helmet
10-18-08, 02:17 PM
The irony with Prince is his last name and how bad he is at being one.
Slioman
10-18-08, 02:19 PM
Thats the problem the package is gonna be out of control.
I completely agree. I wouldn't trade for Fielder, unless the Brewers are being incredibly stupid, which I highly, highly doubt they will. Prince Fielder, at this point, is not a good fit.
yank4life2005
10-18-08, 03:16 PM
Rather target Votto instead
I still don't see this as nearly enough. Think of it this way, you have a hitter who averaged 37 HRs per year in the last 3 years. His isolated OBP is almost .100 and his career average is .270. He's the youngest player to hit 50 HRs in a season.
Do you trade him for a pitcher who posted an 8.17 ERA last year, a 24-year-old who posted a 5.45 K/9 in the minors this year and who has struggled with injuries, and a strong relief pitching prospect? I think they ask for more, especially because they made the playoffs this season.
No I wouldn't take it, and I don't think Milwaukee would either. If Fielder is available, you have to inquire, but I think there are ultimately better options and I doubt he'll be traded anyway. If we want that kind of an upgrade at first base, we might as well go hard after signing Teixeira. But of course that depends on if he wants to come here and if the Steinbrenners would be willing to spend on him.
metalboy15
10-19-08, 05:20 PM
Rather target Votto instead
Reds would be stupid to trade him.
Next year will be his age 26 season, he's above average offensively for a 1st baseman (career OPS+ of 124), excellent defender (+19 in the +/- system this season) and he's not arb elegible till '11 IIRC.
Stud.
yank4life2005
10-19-08, 05:23 PM
Reds would be stupid to trade him.
Next year will be his age 26 season, he's above average offensively for a 1st baseman (career OPS+ of 124), excellent defense (+19 in the +/- system this season) and he's not arb elegible till '11 IIRC.
Stud.
Yes he is certainly but NY could sweeten the deal with pitching. Perhaps a deal around Kennedy/BP arm and perhaps Miranda could do it
metalboy15
10-19-08, 05:26 PM
Yes he is certainly but NY could sweeten the deal with pitching. Perhaps a deal around Kennedy/BP arm and perhaps Miranda could do it
It would have to start with Hughes or Jackson/Montero.
He's very good.
nnysiny
10-19-08, 05:27 PM
Yes he is certainly but NY could sweeten the deal with pitching. Perhaps a deal around Kennedy/BP arm and perhaps Miranda could do it
for Votto? Joey Votto?
Chairman-of-TheBoard
10-21-08, 11:39 AM
Milwaukee stands to lose Sheets and CC. Taking that into account, does anyone here really think Milwaukee won't be looking to deal Prince for some starting pitching? Besides, 1) Prince isn't too happy in Milwaukee and is looking to cash in somewhere, 2) Milwaukee got a taste of big revenue with all of the sold-out houses in a playoff run, AND 3) a new GM/Manager is in-coming and wanting to keep that going.
Trust me, Milwaukee is looking to deal, and it won't take Hughes-for-Prince. Kennedy (who I don't consider a loss at all) + some promising starter like Aceves would net Prince + one of their better minor league relievers.
Yankee Fan in Boston
10-21-08, 11:41 AM
Milwaukee stands to lose Sheets and CC. Taking that into account, does anyone here really think Milwaukee won't be looking to deal Prince for some starting pitching? Besides, 1) Prince isn't too happy in Milwaukee and is looking to cash in somewhere, 2) Milwaukee got a taste of big revenue with all of the sold-out houses in a playoff run, AND 3) a new GM/Manager is in-coming and wanting to keep that going.
Trust me, Milwaukee is looking to deal, and it won't take Hughes-for-Prince. Kennedy (who I don't consider a loss at all) + some promising starter like Aceves would net Prince + one of their better minor league relievers.
Why do you think that? You don't think another team would offer more?
MTYankee23
10-21-08, 11:47 AM
Why do you think that? You don't think another team would offer more?
Another team would offer much more, up to an including someone like Hughes.
THEBOSS84
10-21-08, 11:50 AM
IPK and Aceves for Prince? Come on now, let's wake up.
Another team would offer much more, up to an including someone like Hughes.
When you say someone like Hughes, I'm assuming you mean a major league ready talent like Hughes either a pitcher or positional player. Because other teams don't have a pitching talent like Hughes aside from the Rays (Price), Boston (Buchholz), Reds (Bailey)
THEBOSS84
10-21-08, 11:52 AM
When you say someone like Hughes, I'm assuming you mean a major league ready talent like Hughes either a pitcher or positional player. Because other teams don't have a pitching talent like Hughes aside from the Rays (Price) or Boston (Buchholz).
This isn't really true. So the Brewers wouldn't take a chance on a guy like Trevor Cahill? He is further from arbitration than Hughes and can potentially be better at the ML level. He's not ML ready but he's awfully close.
This isn't really true. So the Brewers wouldn't take a chance on a guy like Trevor Cahill? He is further from arbitration than Hughes and can potentially be better at the ML level.
They aren't gonna take a guy who has only pitched 37 innings in AA who walked 4.62 guys per 9. This guy has a lot more to do before you can put him in Hughes's class.
Give me a guy who has the same potential as Hughes and is major league ready like Price or Buccholz. Those are the pitchers you can put in Hughes class.
MTYankee23
10-21-08, 11:58 AM
When you say someone like Hughes, I'm assuming you mean a major league ready talent like Hughes either a pitcher or positional player. Because other teams don't have a pitching talent like Hughes aside from the Rays (Price) or Boston (Buchholz).
Exactly what I meant. Although I'd say Price is much more valuable than the other 2.
I'd say the trouble right now (I'll make this a short player development rant) is that the Yankees don't have the type of pitching prospects right now that fit between Hughes and the Kennedy level.
THEBOSS84
10-21-08, 11:59 AM
They aren't gonna take a guy who has only pitched 37 innings in AA who walked 4.62 guys per 9. This guy has a lot more to do before you can put him in Hughes's class.
Give me a guy who has the same potential as Hughes and is major league ready like Price or Buccholz. Those are the pitchers you can put in Hughes class.
Cahill was just an example. "The same potential as Hughes" could be defined in many ways right now. For example, if you weren't a Yankee fan, what would the same potential as Hughes mean to you?
Cahill was just an example. "The same potential as Hughes" could be defined in many ways right now. For example, if you weren't a Yankee fan, what would the same potential as Hughes mean to you?
I said same potential as Hughes and major league ready. Cahill is not major league ready.
Exactly what I meant. Although I'd say Price is much more valuable than the other 2.
I'd say the trouble right now (I'll make this a short player development rant) is that the Yankees don't have the type of pitching prospects right now that fit between Hughes and the Kennedy level.
We do but they got hurt. Sanchez, Garcia, Horne.
TheDynasty26
10-21-08, 12:06 PM
You cant compare Hughes to Price's jockstrap
JL25and3
10-21-08, 12:13 PM
Trust me, Milwaukee is looking to deal, and it won't take Hughes-for-Prince. Kennedy (who I don't consider a loss at all) + some promising starter like Aceves would net Prince + one of their better minor league relievers.That's the whole point. People think we can get top talent in exchange for our castoffs. Rule of thumb: if you don't consider it a loss at all, it's not enough to get Prince Fielder.
Mantle'sMutt
10-30-08, 11:56 AM
In the final analysis, who will have eaten themselves out of the game quicker, Prince or Cecil?
O'sFan2131
10-30-08, 01:30 PM
Wow, you guys are way off on what the Brewers will be looking for in return for Fielder. Kennedy and Aceves? Is that a serious offer? That might get you Bill Hall. Maybe.
Prince Fielder? You're talking Phil Hughes and Austin Jackson. I could see something like Hughes, Jackson and McAllister for Fielder. Anyone willing to give up that much? That's the type of offer Milwaukee is going to be looking for.
nnysiny
10-30-08, 01:33 PM
Wow, you guys are way off on what the Brewers will be looking for in return for Fielder. Kennedy and Aceves? Is that a serious offer? That might get you Bill Hall. Maybe.
Prince Fielder? You're talking Phil Hughes and Austin Jackson. I could see something like Hughes, Jackson and McAllister for Fielder. Anyone willing to give up that much? That's the type of offer Milwaukee is going to be looking for.
i agree completely
You cant compare Hughes to Price's jockstrap
Yes Hughes certainly is not flexible, durable, nor smelly.
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