Berdard on the block?? [Archive] - Page 2

Hellsing

06-23-08, 10:03 AM

I've said this before. I think a package of Kennedy, Horne, and Gardner might get the deal done.

Would the Yankees make this trade?

If that was the offer, and the Yankees said no, I would be shocked.

In fact, I would throw in another prospect AND pick up Sexton's contract just to make them feel better about the deal! (I might throw Cox in that package if Robertson and Melancon were kept in the system)

YASS

06-23-08, 10:11 AM

If that was the offer, and the Yankees said no, I would be shocked.

In fact, I would throw in another prospect AND pick up Sexton's contract just to make them feel better about the deal! (I might throw Cox in that package if Robertson and Melancon were kept in the system)
Well, it depends on where the negotiations lead. Let me start by saying that I think Gardner is a very solid prospect who has improved his stock by generating a bit more power this year, and that I also like Alan Horne a great deal. Kennedy isn't really the centerpiece of this deal.

Seattle will likely have to settle for less than they paid for Bedard (depending on what the standings look like in a month or so -- they might get lucky and run into a GM who believes Erik Bedard is the missing piece, in which case all bets are off), so, while this package isn't overwhelming, it's likely to be among the best offers Seattle sees. If it takes a bit more ingenuity or another sweetener in the package to get it done (up to and including swallowing Sexton's contract), then the Yankees should probably consider it, especially since they'd be holding on to most of their prime arms.

Hellsing

06-23-08, 10:15 AM

Well, it depends on where the negotiations lead. Let me start by saying that I think Gardner is a very solid prospect who has improved his stock by generating a bit more power this year, and that I also like Alan Horne a great deal. Kennedy isn't really the centerpiece of this deal.

Seattle will likely have to settle for less than they paid for Bedard (depending on what the standings look like in a month or so -- they might get lucky and run into a GM who believes Erik Bedard is the missing piece, in which case all bets are off), so, while this package isn't overwhelming, it's likely to be among the best offers Seattle sees. If it takes a bit more ingenuity or another sweetener in the package to get it done (up to and including swallowing Sexton's contract), then the Yankees should probably consider it, especially since they'd be holding on to most of their prime arms.

I believe the Yankees are not bringing up Gardner in order to keep his numbers up and not reduce his trade value by exposing him to the Major leagues. I like Gardner, but I have a FEELING that everything you have just explained is exactly why the Yankees are keeping Brett in the minors. As you said, it is not a great package, but Horne and IPK (when healthy) have a shot to crack their rotation THIS YEAR. You put Horne + IPK + Gardner in a single package then you might be able to get something of real value.

just-blaze

06-23-08, 10:22 AM

which history are you referring to? The Haren deal, the Bedard deal, or the Santana deal. If history does repeat itself, chances are Bedard will cost a lot. Afterall the Diamondbacks and Mariners paid steep prices to get their ace.

I think I am agreeing with you for the most part, but.........lets calm down the ace talk on Bedard........he certainly isnt posting those numbers this year and has had an average career to date.

While he has the potential to do it, he also has the potential to get injured again as he already has this year and has a track record of doing so, and you don't give up the farm for "potential" aces, you give them for proven aces.

JavyVazquezIsSick

06-23-08, 10:27 AM

I think I am agreeing with you for the most part, but.........lets calm down the ace talk on Bedard........he certainly isnt posting those numbers this year and has had an average career to date.

While he has the potential to do it, he also has the potential to get injured again as he already has this year and has a track record of doing so, and you don't give up the farm for "potential" aces, you give them for proven aces.

He's certainly been better then average. I like Bedard, but his health worries me.

THEBOSS84

06-23-08, 10:29 AM

He's certainly been better then average. I like Bedard, but his health worries me.

I like Bedard, but his heart worries me.

YASS

06-23-08, 10:30 AM

I like Bedard, but his heart worries me.
You're afraid he won't like you back? :)

just-blaze

06-23-08, 10:32 AM

He's certainly been better then average. I like Bedard, but his health worries me.

Fair enough.

Average for a supposed ace.....above average for a SP.

THEBOSS84

06-23-08, 10:33 AM

You're afraid he won't like you back? :)

Yes, me as well as the millions of other Yankee fans who are passionate about winning. I don't want a player on our team who supposedly looks at baseball as if it's a 9 to 5 job. A player who asks out of a game after 100 pitches. A player who is having trouble with the Seatle media.

I don't have the quote on hand with me, but Bavasi had a negative parting quote for Bedard that was published in SI this week.

Cheesyhoboe

06-23-08, 10:43 AM

Yeah, I've heard Bedard is a clubhouse cancer in Seattle. I'd much rather trade for Sabathia, IF we trade at all which we shouldn't do unless we have no other options on July 31.

CallOfTheCrow

06-23-08, 10:47 AM

Yes, me as well as the millions of other Yankee fans who are passionate about winning. I don't want a player on our team who supposedly looks at baseball as if it's a 9 to 5 job. A player who asks out of a game after 100 pitches. A player who is having trouble with the Seatle media.

I don't have the quote on hand with me, but Bavasi had a negative parting quote for Bedard that was published in SI this week.

On Bedard going only five or six innings and 100 pitches of late, Bavasi says a lot of pitchers can have days where 90 pitches feel like 200. On why Bedard can't go longer, Bavasi says it's a good question, but one that has to be put to Bedard.

"He'll have a stupid answer for you, you can count on it,'' Bavasi said. "He'll have some dumbass answer.''
Bavasi concludes that Bedard is a very talented pitcher. But he adds that all five pitchers in the rotation have not done the job at one time or another.
"With Erik, sometimes the wheels come off too easy,'' he said

YASS

06-23-08, 10:48 AM

On Bedard going only five or six innings and 100 pitches of late, Bavasi says a lot of pitchers can have days where 90 pitches feel like 200. On why Bedard can't go longer, Bavasi says it's a good question, but one that has to be put to Bedard.

"He'll have a stupid answer for you, you can count on it,'' Bavasi said. "He'll have some dumbass answer.''
Bavasi concludes that Bedard is a very talented pitcher. But he adds that all five pitchers in the rotation have not done the job at one time or another.
"With Erik, sometimes the wheels come off too easy,'' he said
I am amused by Bavasi calling someone else a dumbass. Doesn't he own a mirror?

Hellsing

06-23-08, 10:54 AM

"He'll have a stupid answer for you, you can count on it,'' Bavasi said. "He'll have some dumbass answer.''
Bavasi concludes that Bedard is a very talented pitcher. But he adds that all five pitchers in the rotation have not done the job at one time or another.
"With Erik, sometimes the wheels come off too easy,'' he said

Well...with THAT attitude, he would be HAPPY to accept the Yankees offer of
IPK + Melky for Bedard.

YASS

06-23-08, 10:55 AM

Well...with THAT attitude, he would be HAPPY to accept the Yankees offer of
IPK + Melky for Bedard.
If he still worked there, he might. :)

THEBOSS84

06-23-08, 10:56 AM

Well...with THAT attitude, he would be HAPPY to accept the Yankees offer of
IPK + Melky for Bedard.

He got fired last week.

Hellsing

06-23-08, 10:56 AM

If he still worked there, he might. :)

That's kinda what I was gettin' at...

Hellsing

06-23-08, 10:57 AM

He got fired last week.

Next time I will put the obvious joke in some strange text to make it perfectly clear.

YASS

06-23-08, 10:59 AM

Next time I will put the obvious joke in some strange text to make it perfectly clear.
Thanks!

It is Monday, after all. Obvious is definitely the way to go.

knickfan23

06-23-08, 10:59 AM

I think I am agreeing with you for the most part, but.........lets calm down the ace talk on Bedard........he certainly isnt posting those numbers this year and has had an average career to date.

While he has the potential to do it, he also has the potential to get injured again as he already has this year and has a track record of doing so, and you don't give up the farm for "potential" aces, you give them for proven aces.

So I take it the Red Sox trading Hanley Ramirez to Florida for Josh Beckett was a mistake then.

Outside of 4 playoff starts, nothing in his resume would signal "proven ace" when he was traded for.

Hellsing

06-23-08, 11:03 AM

So I take it the Red Sox trading Hanley Ramirez to Florida for Josh Beckett was a mistake then.

Outside of 4 playoff starts, nothing in his resume would signal "proven ace" when he was traded for.

Really?
Age / ERA
23 / 3.04
24 / 3.79
25 / 3.38

His K rate was @ or nearly @ 9K per 9.

The Red Sox would not trade Hanley for a pitcher that was not an Ace. They are far too intelligent to trade a hitter like Ramirez for a TRUE Ace. Say what you want about the Sox...they have been making great choices for a number of years now.

He was/is a stud.

knickfan23

06-23-08, 11:03 AM

On Bedard going only five or six innings and 100 pitches of late, Bavasi says a lot of pitchers can have days where 90 pitches feel like 200. On why Bedard can't go longer, Bavasi says it's a good question, but one that has to be put to Bedard.

"He'll have a stupid answer for you, you can count on it,'' Bavasi said. "He'll have some dumbass answer.''
Bavasi concludes that Bedard is a very talented pitcher. But he adds that all five pitchers in the rotation have not done the job at one time or another.
"With Erik, sometimes the wheels come off too easy,'' he said

And to think, he traded 5 guys for him. I wonder who the real dumbass is.

McPhail took Bavasi to the cleaners. Now, Seattle has to try and recoup some of that investment in some capacity. They surely wont get 100%, but if they can get 70%, they'll take that.

knickfan23

06-23-08, 11:06 AM

Really?
Age / ERA
23 / 3.04
24 / 3.79
25 / 3.38

His K rate was @ or nearly @ 9K per 9.

He was/is a stud.

And he was hurt. Consistently. He never pitched more than 180 innings or ever made 30 starts. I dont disagree with you at all. But there is this idea floating using the term "proven ace". My intimation is based on injuries and lack of consistent performance, people would have blasted the Yanks for making such a trade if Ramirez was in our system. More so in fact when you consider that when he came to the AL in 06, he was getting lit up. You, myself and others would have known better. But a large consensus wouldnt have seen it our way.

fellows

06-23-08, 01:49 PM

And he was hurt. Consistently. He never pitched more than 180 innings or ever made 30 starts. I dont disagree with you at all. But there is this idea floating using the term "proven ace". My intimation is based on injuries and lack of consistent performance, people would have blasted the Yanks for making such a trade if Ramirez was in our system. More so in fact when you consider that when he came to the AL in 06, he was getting lit up. You, myself and others would have known better. But a large consensus wouldnt have seen it our way.

Ramirez had a down year in AA before he was traded so his stock was down a bit as well. .271/.335/.385 in 465 AB's.

ArodMVP217

06-23-08, 02:10 PM

Ramirez had a down year in AA before he was traded so his stock was down a bit as well. .271/.335/.385 in 465 AB's.

if you are saying we shouldn't trade Jose, then I agree

27IsNext

06-23-08, 07:24 PM

yet despite all the negatives you stated against Bedard, you want him still..funny how that works.

What I find comical is that you think Kennedy right now is a big piece to major trade but in the same breathe you scoff at the notion that Masterson can be. It matters not that in almost the same amount of innings pitched in the bigs this season Kennedy is nowhere near as affective as Masterson. You know those three nice starts last year where impressive (even though it was still only 19 innings sample size) but what has Kennedy done lately? Oh, he is injured that is right. Injuries have always been notorious for driving the price up for young pitchers and getting GM's to look past current track record. Now that is laughable.

When did I say I wanted him? Sure, it'd be nice if he could be had for B prospects, but I certainly wouldn't dump the farm for him considering his durability issues. And a team that gave up an A prospect for the guy would be foolish to do so.

When did I scoff at Masterson? Are you getting me confused with someone else? Masterson, Lowrie and Bowden would also be a package the Ms should consider. It would boil down to which players they value more. (I certainly wouldn't include Lars Anderson in any deal for Bedard though.)

My point is, no one is giving up A prospects for him. He's been injured twice this season, and is a one-and-a-half-year rental who's about to turn 30.

hockeypuck2008

06-23-08, 07:42 PM

When did I say I wanted him? Sure, it'd be nice if he could be had for B prospects, but I certainly wouldn't dump the farm for him considering his durability issues. And a team that gave up an A prospect for the guy would be foolish to do so.

When did I scoff at Masterson? Are you getting me confused with someone else? Masterson, Lowrie and Bowden would also be a package the Ms should consider. It would boil down to which players they value more. (I certainly wouldn't include Lars Anderson in any deal for Bedard though.)

My point is, no one is giving up A prospects for him. He's been injured twice this season, and is a one-and-a-half-year rental who's about to turn 30.

you are right, it was not you. I apologize. But Kennedy as a centerpiece is a joke. It is not like the 23 year-old is injury free.

27IsNext

06-23-08, 07:45 PM

you are right, it was not you. I apologize. But Kennedy as a centerpiece is a joke. It is not like the 23 year-old is injury free.

I don't think that, in a deal of Kennedy, Horne and Melky/Gardner, that any player is a "centerpiece." Same with Masterson, Bowden and Lowrie. "Centerpiece" would imply that they were an A prospect surrounded by B prospects. None of the guys I just listed are A prospects.

I simply don't think Bedard, with his injury concerns and the fact that he's a year-and-a-half away from free agency, is worth any "centerpiece."

hockeypuck2008

06-23-08, 08:32 PM

than you shouldn't expect him in a Yankee uniform. But in that case if you are going to give up an A prospect I don't blame the Yanks for looking for better options (ie Sabathia).

primetime714

06-23-08, 09:44 PM

than you shouldn't expect him in a Yankee uniform. But in that case if you are going to give up an A prospect I don't blame the Yanks for looking for better options (ie Sabathia).

For a team as bad as the Mariners with as many weaknesses as they have 3 B+ prospects are pretty much just as good as an A and 2 B's.

I don't think a Kennedy, Horne, Melky package would be quite enough to get Bedard, but its not that far off either. Add in another B prospect like a JB Cox and also offer the option to switch Kennedy or Horne with Tabata if the M's so choose and that's a pretty decent offer. I mean Kennedy and Horne even with struggles and injuries are still easily top 5 prospects in our system and both capable of starting in the majors soon. Melky is a 23 year old starting caliber CF in the Majors. Add in Cox as potential setup man and that's something the M's would consider.

I mean 1 top of the rotation starter for 2 bottom-mid rotations starters, a starting CF who plays above average defense, and middle-reliever/setup man all of whom are ready soon and are cost controlled for a guy that has been a disappointment in Seattle and has one more year left on his contract.

just-blaze

06-23-08, 09:45 PM

So I take it the Red Sox trading Hanley Ramirez to Florida for Josh Beckett was a mistake then.

Outside of 4 playoff starts, nothing in his resume would signal "proven ace" when he was traded for.

What?

Calling Bedard an ace when he has had 1 surefire ace year and one other very good year isnt something I would do and it certainly plays a factor in his value....to say he has ace value and expect the return b/c of it is what I was arguing.

Edit: BTW - the Sox didn't give up their farm for Beckett and just as easy as it works for a team it backfires for another.......Javy Vazquez comes to mind amongst others.

27IsNext

06-23-08, 09:46 PM

than you shouldn't expect him in a Yankee uniform. But in that case if you are going to give up an A prospect I don't blame the Yanks for looking for better options (ie Sabathia).

Fine by me. Sabathia and Sheets are both free agents after this year. Sign them both and let Chamberlain and Hughes/Kennedy/Horne fill out the back end of the rotation.

just-blaze

06-23-08, 09:57 PM

Fine by me. Sabathia and Sheets are both free agents after this year. Sign them both and let Chamberlain and Hughes/Kennedy/Horne fill out the back end of the rotation.

I argued that we should have traded Kennedy and another prospect in the offseason for Sheets.

I thought the Brewers would take it, but I thought the Yankees might be weary of the injuries.

Would have been a great trade for us if we made it.

teknetic

06-23-08, 10:23 PM

Really?
Age / ERA
23 / 3.04
24 / 3.79
25 / 3.38

His K rate was @ or nearly @ 9K per 9.

The Red Sox would not trade Hanley for a pitcher that was not an Ace. They are far too intelligent to trade a hitter like Ramirez for a TRUE Ace. Say what you want about the Sox...they have been making great choices for a number of years now.

He was/is a stud.

By Red Sox, do you mean Theo? because he had no involvement in that trade. No one expected Hanley to blow up like the way he has, so that whole "too intelligent to trade Hanley" logic is complete hogwash.

hockeypuck2008

06-23-08, 11:30 PM

Fine by me. Sabathia and Sheets are both free agents after this year. Sign them both and let Chamberlain and Hughes/Kennedy/Horne fill out the back end of the rotation.

has throwing money on free agents been the answer though?

JeterRodriguezSheff

06-23-08, 11:59 PM

has throwing money on free agents been the answer though?

It hasnt been the signing of free agents that has been the problem, it has been the choice of which ones we sign. Sabathia will be the best pitcher we have signed in free agency in a long long time.

27IsNext

06-24-08, 12:36 AM

has throwing money on free agents been the answer though?

As the guy above me said, it depends on the choice. No more Pavanos or Wrights. Sabathia is an ace in the American League, plus would be a lefty in Yankee Stadium. Sheets has three good pitches and great command, so I think his stuff would translate.

No more putting the season of a $200 million team in the hands of three rookie starters. That kind of pressure did wonders for Hughes and Kennedy.

27IsNext

06-24-08, 12:38 AM

It hasnt been the signing of free agents that has been the problem, it has been the choice of which ones we sign. Sabathia will be the best pitcher we have signed in free agency in a long long time.

He and Sheets would be the best since Mussina IMO.

knickfan23

06-24-08, 09:18 AM

has throwing money on free agents been the answer though?

Not one pitcher the Yankees signed/traded for in the last 5 years you could look at as bonafide good signing. There was some issue with each of them prior to them getting here that you could have projected as problematic.

Vazquez: Burnout. Some people fail to realize that prior to him being traded to the Yankees, he has being overworked in Montreal. I'll never forget the graphic that FOX showed during Game 7 of the 03 NLCS when they showed that Mark Prior and Kerry Wood were two of the top three pitchers who lead in pitches thrown that season. Who was #1? Vazquez. Ironically, since that season all them have suffered from either performance decline (Vazquez), conversions (Wood to closer), or injuries (Prior, Wood). How the Yanks did not see that coming right around July 2004, I dont know.

Pavano: National League. Big ballpark. Great defense. Contract year. Enough said.

Wright: Who knows? Visions of 97 perhaps.

Brown: Clearly reactionary after Pettitte went to Houston and Schilling was traded to Boston. You get what you pay for. I mean, they did trade Jeff Weaver for him.

Johnson: Back and knee issues. Over 40 years old. Bad National League West inflating performance. What happened in Game 3 against the Angels in 05? No one knows.

Red flags were on all those guys before they showed up.

jeterlove

06-24-08, 09:27 AM

They gave up on Vazquez WAY too soon though.

He would be the #1 pitcher on the Yankees this season

THEBOSS84

06-24-08, 09:30 AM

Letz tradez for Bedard!!!111!!

The Seattle Times suggests that Erik Bedard could need a second stint on the disabled list due to his sore back.

Manager Jim Riggleman says the team isn't "thinking that way yet," but pitching coach Mel Stottlemyre says the team doesn't have Bedard penciled in for the Mariners' weekend series in San Diego.

http://rotoworld.com/

Martini6196

06-24-08, 10:09 AM

They gave up on Vazquez WAY too soon though.

He would be the #1 pitcher on the Yankees this season

You're joking right?

27IsNext

06-24-08, 11:42 AM

They gave up on Vazquez WAY too soon though.

He would be the #1 pitcher on the Yankees this season

George pressured his baseball committee (which is what basically made all the decisions at the time, with Cashman, Connors and Emslie all vying for George's ear) to trade for Randy Johnson. It wasn't a matter of giving up on him as much as it was George acting in fiat and demanding he have the Big Unit.

Hellsing

06-24-08, 11:56 AM

George acting in fiat and demanding he have the Big Unit.

There's always Viagra. It's much cheaper.

SINCE77 2

06-26-08, 12:19 PM

After much thought, I am on the Bedard bandwagon. IIRC, he is under control through 2009 so the Yankees would stand to get 1.5 seasons of non-contractual pitching from Bedard. Considering that Bedard wants to pitch for that Canadien team in Toronto, the Yankees stand to acquire some nice picks from the Jays after 2009 which would allow them to replace what was given up to acquire Bedard in the first place. Most important imo is the fact that he has shown great success in the AL East. If the Yankees were to acquire him and made the postseason I have to admit that I like our chances of getting out of the 1st round with Joba/Wang/Bedard/Pettitte. Lastly, he should come a bit cheaper then CC considering that his ultimate destination is Toronto.

YESSIR!

06-26-08, 02:33 PM

Well, it looks like we might not be interested, for the obviously stated reasons in this thread:

• The Bedard Watch: Much as the Yankees need pitching, we're hearing they've all but decided Erik Bedard (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6910)'s personality issues would make him a no-go in their always-serene clubhouse

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&page=rumblings&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos1

I think it would be a mistake not to give him a bit more of a look; like, actually sit the guy down and talk to him (somehow) and find out how he'd feel about NY. But we'll see I guess.

CommerceComet

06-26-08, 03:13 PM

I think it would be a mistake not to give him a bit more of a look; like, actually sit the guy down and talk to him (somehow) and find out how he'd feel about NY. But we'll see I guess.I would state it more strongly than that. I think that it would be irresponsible not to at least take a good long look at Bedard. Certainly, personality (motivation) issues, injury history, and contract concerns need to be considered but I'm not sure any or all of them together suggest a no-go if the price is right. Quality left-handed pitching is certainly a desirable commodity. Bedard makes a great insurance policy if Pettitte doesn't return next season.

YESSIR!

06-26-08, 03:17 PM

I would state it more strongly than that. I think that it would be irresponsible not to at least take a good long look at Bedard. Certainly, personality (motivation) issues, injury history, and contract concerns need to be considered but I'm not sure any or all of them together suggest a no-go if the price is right. Quality left-handed pitching is certainly a desirable commodity. Bedard makes a great insurance policy if Pettitte doesn't return next season.

Indeed. And I see the Mariners as a very viable trading partner for the Yankees. I really believe Cashman could find a very appealing match with Seattle that wouldn't cost us any of the 'crown jewels.'

dont_ya_know24

06-26-08, 04:39 PM

Just think of a rotation next year of

Bedard
Sheets/ Sabathia
Wang
Joba
Hughes/Pettitte

Boner :ga-ga:

teknetic

06-26-08, 04:41 PM

YanksFan1992

06-26-08, 11:00 PM

Apparently we're not interested in him because of his demeanor.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/06/starks-latest-2.html

continentalg5

06-27-08, 02:21 AM

My father always used to tell me "the best indicator of future behavior is past behavior." To some extent I can see why Bedard doesn't like pitching anymore :
a) The way I viewed it, his time with the Orioles was one of frustration. Imagine being a true ace, and having a crap team be your run support with successive years of records below .500.
b) 2008 Mariners- that says it all- an absolute train wreck of a team.

Perhaps with a little motivation, and the knowledge that he could become an ace pitcher on an excellent team, he could get rid of that negative vibe that he has had.

themgmt

06-27-08, 09:08 AM

Well, it looks like we might not be interested, for the obviously stated reasons in this thread:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&page=rumblings&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos1

I think it would be a mistake not to give him a bit more of a look; like, actually sit the guy down and talk to him (somehow) and find out how he'd feel about NY. But we'll see I guess.

That's a crock. A) Personality issues wouldn't get in the way of how he's always pitched on the mound B) PERSONALITY ISSUES? Why would they sign Ponson if that was really a concern? Sheffield? Etc..

effdamets

06-27-08, 09:19 AM

That's a crock. A) Personality issues wouldn't get in the way of how he's always pitched on the mound B) PERSONALITY ISSUES? Why would they sign Ponson if that was really a concern? Sheffield? Etc..
Sheffield and Ponson are a little different.

I mean, Bedard is asking out of games for crissakes! I do not want a j/o like that on the Yankees.

THEBOSS84

06-27-08, 09:20 AM

Say no to Erik Bedard

themgmt

06-27-08, 09:43 AM

Sheffield and Ponson are a little different.

I mean, Bedard is asking out of games for crissakes! I do not want a j/o like that on the Yankees.

Another crock. In his first 12 starts, Bedard has thrown more than 100 pitches 6 times. He's thrown 99 twice. 95 once. He was knocked out before he got to 100 3 times because of ineffectiveness (Yankees, Texas, LAA).

So he's thrown 99-110 pitches in 8 of the 9 full starts. In the other full start he threw 95. For comparison's sake, Andy Pettitte has thrown 99+ pitches 8 times in his 16 full starts. CC Sabathia has thrown 99+ in 13 of his 15.

flymick24

06-27-08, 12:18 PM

bedard has all the surliness of randy johnson but is only half the pitcher

philleotardo

06-29-08, 12:05 AM

I can't say completely "no" to this if we are rotating Rasner, Giese and Ponson. None of those guys is capable of an October start. I guess it would depend on asking price.

themgmt

07-19-08, 09:43 PM

Bedard is out until August aka he will not be traded.

CT-Yankee

07-19-08, 10:46 PM

Apparently we're not interested in him because of his demeanor.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/06/starks-latest-2.html

He is known as a complainer, always has a injury, etc. Little things. If the Yankees are making demeanor a factor that sounds like Stick Michael is calling the shots. Not a bad thing though, just an observation.

YanksFan1992

07-19-08, 11:27 PM

Bedard is out until August aka he will not be traded.

M's beat writers here are now saying that the Mariners are trying to get him one start before the deadline, most likely to try and prove he isn't injured.

If this injury somewhat lowers the cost a bit, and he can prove he's not seriously hurt I would be all for trading for Bedard.

Bleacher_Creature

09-17-08, 12:23 PM

Bedard A Non-Tender Candidate? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/09/bedard-a-non-te.html)

ESPN's Buster Olney (http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3592674&name=olney_buster) tosses out an interesting idea: he thinks the Mariners should consider non-tendering Bedard. Bedard is arbitration-eligible, and should receive a raise on his current $7MM salary. If the Mariners were to truly treat the players dealt for Bedard as a sunk cost, they'd only ask themselves whether he is worth a one-year, $9-10MM contract. Depending on the results of the September 26th surgery, cutting Bedard might be the right move. The Mariners' new GM probably will not have ties to the Bill Bavasi acquisition.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/09/bedard-a-non-te.html

False1

09-17-08, 02:15 PM

wang+cano=future

09-17-08, 02:51 PM

I would be shocked if they give up that early on Bedard and non-tender him. Especially without even attempting to trade him in order to get some return back.

flymick24

09-17-08, 02:57 PM

his value couldn't be lower though

YASS

09-17-08, 04:32 PM

his value couldn't be lower though
Well, there's nothing lower than a non-tender. They could get something for him, even with the uncertainties about his health. Some team will take a flyer on him.

aeromac76

09-18-08, 08:13 AM

Well, there's nothing lower than a non-tender. They could get something for him, even with the uncertainties about his health. Some team will take a flyer on him.

Yes and no. To deal him, they have to have him on the payroll.
And if you hope to get anything for him or ny note, you have to eat the $$ at this point.

So the question is, is it better to just save the $$, or pay him and hope you get something out of him or in return worth the $$ you shell out.
If not, then it is better value for the team to save the $$ and simply forget he ever existed.

Bleacher_Creature

09-18-08, 10:44 AM

Bedard could miss 6-9 months

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Given his general demeanor, Erik Bedard wasn't about to spend much of the past three months talking about his injuries. He's not big on talking, and what would have been the point? Bedard couldn't pitch, his left shoulder was sore and it wasn't getting better.

On Tuesday, Bedard and the Mariners agreed he needed to undergo exploratory surgery. On Wednesday, he talked about his painful first season in Seattle and the prospect of missing as much as half of the 2009 season.

On July 22, he had an MRI exam on his left shoulder. "We knew what it was after the MRI -- it's a tear in the labrum and a cyst," Bedard said. "Surgery was always an option, but you want it to be the last option. You're never 100 percent sure what will happen in surgery."