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It's not an either or system. An OF instead of Brackman or Cole. How did the Yankees get Romine, Weems, Angelini? They used their financial clout. How did Boston get Kalish, Anderson, Westmoreland. Did the same. My point is that the Yankees are weak in position players. Of course you can't replace four All Star regulars in one year. But you should replace one as you can. Like everything else there are percentages. Most kids don't make it to the Majors so you need numbers. The Yankees don't have numbers in the minors. As someone said in another thread, they have to work harder
Yankees1962
06-08-08, 06:25 PM
It's not an either or system. An OF instead of Brackman or Cole. How did the Yankees get Romine, Weems, Angelini? They used their financial clout. How did Boston get Kalish, Anderson, Westmoreland. Did the same. My point is that the Yankees are weak in position players. Of course you can't replace four All Star regulars in one year. But you should replace one as you can. Like everything else there are percentages. Most kids don't make it to the Majors so you need numbers. The Yankees don't have numbers in the minors. As someone said in another thread, they have to work harder
You do understand that outstanding pitching prospects are in high demand by the trade route with teams that might have a glut of outfielders.
Luke Anders is playing for Texas A+M against Rice on ESPNU and ESPN2 right now.
And he just singled to start the second!
Cheesyhoboe
06-08-08, 06:31 PM
It's not an either or system. An OF instead of Brackman or Cole. How did the Yankees get Romine, Weems, Angelini? They used their financial clout. How did Boston get Kalish, Anderson, Westmoreland. Did the same. My point is that the Yankees are weak in position players. Of course you can't replace four All Star regulars in one year. But you should replace one as you can. Like everything else there are percentages. Most kids don't make it to the Majors so you need numbers. The Yankees don't have numbers in the minors. As someone said in another thread, they have to work harder
The yankees have the 2nd deepest pitching system in baseball, deeper by a wide margin than any other farm system except for the Rays, so we certainly have numbers. As for position players, I would rather take a pitcher who has a chance of being decent than a position player who is likely to be mediocre and probably wouldn't cut it on our team as a starter. Besides, we've drafted plenty of OFers this year, a couple of which are intriguing (even if you've never heard of them). Oh, and prospects don't get drafted and then make it onto the major league roster within a year unless they're either some sort of super prospect or are getting rushed. Generally they're supposed to spend 2-4 years in the minors if they develop as they should, so I hope you don't think if we drafted some OF in the first round whose talent level was under Cole's that he would be patrolling left field in 2009. We have plenty other options to fill our OF in the meantime.
You do understand that outstanding pitching prospects are in high demand by the trade route with teams that might have a glut of outfielders.
Let's not get too obvious here, now I'm getting patronized. I give you Jackson, great draft pick, # 8. Henry bad draft pick, # 1. Smoak was asking for a mil to sign a few years back. Would it have been a good investment? He's not guaranteed yet but it's close. Yes, the Yankees should be looking to trade for high ceiling kids in A ball. What would a Cox, Robertson and Horne/IPK bring on the market? That's the kind of players that you would be talking about.
BomberBrian
06-08-08, 06:49 PM
It's not an either or system. An OF instead of Brackman or Cole. How did the Yankees get Romine, Weems, Angelini? They used their financial clout. How did Boston get Kalish, Anderson, Westmoreland. Did the same. My point is that the Yankees are weak in position players. Of course you can't replace four All Star regulars in one year. But you should replace one as you can. Like everything else there are percentages. Most kids don't make it to the Majors so you need numbers. The Yankees don't have numbers in the minors. As someone said in another thread, they have to work harder
you're now making a very different argument.
this post of yours you specifically mention a high ceiling college outfielder which is why i limited it to first rounders, becaus that is where you will be able to land high ceiling college players. you won't find a high ceiling college OFer in the 10th round you can throw $1 mil at and get him to sign.
I'm still boggled by the Yankees planning for the future. They have two possible high ceiling OFs within hailing distance to the main club. Almonte and Tabata are still kids. They have done nothing in recent drafts to address this issue. Do they plan to play Abreu and Damon for the next four years? Gardner is weak and Jackson is still adjusting to AA. Are they planning trades using pitching? They took one kid in Smith who's young. Boston took Westmoreland. Three years of drafting and they did not pick one high ceiling college OF, mindboggling.
Now if you want to look at their drafts starting in 2005 when they started to exert their financial strength and an argument can be made they haven't really ignored the OF it just may not have worked out to your liking.
In 2005 they took an OFer in the 3rd round in Brett Gardner and then took Austin Jackson in the 8th and gave him 800k.
In 2006 they took Colin Curtis in the 4th round and gave him overslot dollars. They took two signability guys late in Ohmed Danesh and Zak Presley but couldn't get either away from Florida State and Houston respectively. Not sure what type of offer if any was made to either however. I'd also like to add they used big $$ on a potential #1 starter, the best closer prospect in the draft and a potential very good late inning reliever. Much like the big club, despite suggestions to the contrary, they have a finite budget.
In 2007 they took Taylor Grote in the 8th round and gave him 250k, Austin Krum in the 9th round got 110k which is also over slot. Grote is a high upside high school kid signed away from a commitment to the University of Texas and Krum a college guy with a good track record at a high level, including Team USA i believe. They also took 2 late round guys they tried to sign. Eric Thames opted to go back for his senior year in an effort to boost his stock and he went in the 7th round. The Yankees offered him well into the 6 figures i believe but it wasn't enough. Komatsu was a juco kid and i'm not sure what type of $$ they offered but he opted to head to Cal State Fullerton and he went in the 8th round this year.
The long and short of it, is i don't think they're ignoring the problem, but it just hasn't shaked out great in terms of getting all the guys signed and/or the results stats wise you want.
The yankees have the 2nd deepest pitching system in baseball, deeper by a wide margin than any other farm system except for the Rays, so we certainly have numbers. As for position players, I would rather take a pitcher who has a chance of being decent than a position player who is likely to be mediocre and probably wouldn't cut it on our team as a starter. Besides, we've drafted plenty of OFers this year, a couple of which are intriguing (even if you've never heard of them). Oh, and prospects don't get drafted and then make it onto the major league roster within a year unless they're either some sort of super prospect or are getting rushed. Generally they're supposed to spend 2-4 years in the minors if they develop as they should, so I hope you don't think if we drafted some OF in the first round whose talent level was under Cole's that he would be patrolling left field in 2009. We have plenty other options to fill our OF in the meantime.
Boy, you do insist on snark. Let's state the obvious by all means. What, you're playing to an imaginary audience? So how many OFs do we have developing? Gardner is maybe ready, so we have Jackson, Tabata, Almonte and I believe Deleon. 1B - zero. Will they all make it, who knows, We have 1 1/2 quality position players below 30 on the Major club. Things need to be addressed. So I collect my token and proceed to Go.
IrishYankee
06-08-08, 07:55 PM
Boy, you do insist on snark. Let's state the obvious by all means. What, you're playing to an imaginary audience? So how many OFs do we have developing? Gardner is maybe ready, so we have Jackson, Tabata, Almonte and I believe Deleon. 1B - zero. Will they all make it, who knows, We have 1 1/2 quality position players below 30 on the Major club. Things need to be addressed. So I collect my token and proceed to Go.
I don't think anyone will argue with you that the system was derelict in every way until a few years ago. However, the immediate improvement you are looking for is extremely difficult to put in place.
The real, surefire college prospects in the field are usually gone by the time the Yankees draft. Couple that with the fact that what the guys picking know is pitching, and you have a good reason to continue the way we are in the draft. We take signability cases in later rounds and hope they reach their potential. If not, at least you still have your highly talented pitching prospects. This is a solid strategy.
Also, while this is going on, they have become ultra aggressive in Latin America. Montero and Tabata are fast risers who can have a huge impact/ You may be down on Tabata, but he is coming back from surgery, is 19 (year 20 season I believe), and has been getting better as the season wears on.
There are no immediate fixes, and yes, we should be critical of how the front office allowed the system to become so bare that only diamonds in the rough (Cano, Wang) could sneak through. However it is being addressed at every level. When you assess the system, look at the ages of the players, look at the steps forward their games are taking, and look at the physical tools. True, AAA looks like a graveyard outside of Gardner at the moment, but check out how Miranda was doing before his injury. At AA, check out how Pena has made huge strides, how Jackson has made the jump and is continuing to adjust (remember, most high impact positional players spend little time in AAA), and how Tabata is beginning to show the patience he had before his injury. I will say about Tabata thought that he needs someone on him about his physical conditioning, and his attitude, but I don't think the issues displayed are anything that should surprise people about a 19 year old who has been so much better than his competition until recenly.
At A level and below, this system is stacked as well as anyone else's. Over the next couple of years, enjoy watching this talent filter up, and in the meantime, hopefully, watch Cashman (unless he's fired) bring in the right FA's to fill holes.
As for your worry about 1st, do you really thing the front office cannot fill that need with all the money coming off the books, with the new stadium's tax breaks and income, and the lure of the Yankee dollar?
The future is bright. And I love this year's draft. Lets see what happens July 2nd.
LecheCaberera2826
06-08-08, 08:24 PM
Hey does anyone have a scouting report(s) on Chris Dwyer. I couldn't find any and i'm starting to get really excited about this kid. Might be my favorite pick out of the bunch. Thanks.
indianyanksfan
06-08-08, 08:28 PM
Hey does anyone have a scouting report(s) on Chris Dwyer. I couldn't find any and i'm starting to get really excited about this kid. Might be my favorite pick out of the bunch. Thanks.
check nomaas.org and click on the draft blog. there's a lot on him.
bmxstreetrider86
06-08-08, 08:29 PM
Hey does anyone have a scouting report(s) on Chris Dwyer. I couldn't find any and i'm starting to get really excited about this kid. Might be my favorite pick out of the bunch. Thanks.
here you go
Anthony Hewitt isn't the only intriguing talent at the Salisbury School. Six-foot-3 lefthander Chris Dwyer is an impressive athlete who also starred as a quarterback for the Crimson Knights, but his baseball prowess earned him a scholarship to Clemson. Dwyer ran his fastball up to 92-93 mph early this season on a trip to Florida, but he worked in the 88-90 range most of the year without much life. He flashes an average breaking ball but lacks consistency with the pitch. Dwyer is already 20 and will be a draft-eligible freshman at Clemson, and most scouts consider him nearly unsignable this June.
LecheCaberera2826
06-08-08, 08:29 PM
check nomaas.org and click on the draft blog. there's a lot on him.
ight thanks.
ArodMVP217
06-08-08, 08:40 PM
I don't know what you are talking about boday from The Wire. I thought our outfield situation was pretty golden. and we could always trade a zMac, Cutch, Tabata package for an over the hill Vlad, guillen, beltre, overrated holliday etc. if that suits you, lol
BomberBrian
06-08-08, 08:54 PM
i had previously posted updates on some draftees that i found on summer league teams.
one name i had overlooked was 14th rounder David Phelps from Notre Dame, who is pitching for the Hyannis Mets.
Given that he had a poor junior season following a great sophomore campaign he might be there all summer to prove his worth.
JavyVazquezIsSick
06-08-08, 09:08 PM
Can the Yankees not offer a contract to a player they draft? Or is there a minimum you must offer?
Can the Yankees not offer a contract to a player they draft? Or is there a minimum you must offer?I believe they can pass.
LecheCaberera2826
06-08-08, 09:32 PM
what is marshall's upside if i may ask. When i first saw that we drafted him i didn't think that he had all that much talent but now i see otherwise i think.
ArodMVP217
06-08-08, 09:35 PM
Oswalt! no, i have no idea. big league comps are not very fair to draftees. especially high school seniors. wait until they are in LowA at least, lol
what is marshall's upside if i may ask. When i first saw that we drafted him i didn't think that he had all that much talent but now i see otherwise i think.Brett Marshall has top of the rotation stuff.
ARoDfan4life
06-08-08, 09:38 PM
what is marshall's upside if i may ask.
some say Zack Greinke but if he reaches his peek 1 2 or 3 SP stuff.
jesterno2
06-08-08, 09:40 PM
scouting reports i saw on marshall say he can dial it up to 95 or 97 (per his hs coach) with a developing plus slider and a changeup or curve thats coming along as well. i believe he is a little short (not quite oswalt or barreda short but still around 6') but stuff like that you just cant teach no matter the size.
Anders is available for signing.
sugmasterflex
06-09-08, 12:24 PM
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080606&content_id=2852718&vkey=draft2008&fext=.jsp
sugmasterflex
06-09-08, 12:27 PM
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/fan_forum/chat/index.jsp
Make sure to get your questions in!
jesterno2
06-09-08, 05:26 PM
anyone with a BA subscription wanna summerize what they thought of the yankee draft or tell us the grade they gave if they use such a system?
brnxbmbx
06-16-08, 03:22 PM
out of all yankees draft picks that we've signed, who is best suitable to play in tampa next year? what about our high school picks will they follow betances and mcallister's path by starting in staten island instead of charleston?
jeter62375
06-16-08, 03:28 PM
It's not an either or system. An OF instead of Brackman or Cole. How did the Yankees get Romine, Weems, Angelini? They used their financial clout. How did Boston get Kalish, Anderson, Westmoreland. Did the same. My point is that the Yankees are weak in position players. Of course you can't replace four All Star regulars in one year. But you should replace one as you can. Like everything else there are percentages. Most kids don't make it to the Majors so you need numbers. The Yankees don't have numbers in the minors. As someone said in another thread, they have to work harder
when did westmoreland sign ?
NY_GOLDENARMS
06-16-08, 03:30 PM
when did westmoreland sign ?
He didn't and he is asking for $1.2 million. He is a summer follow at this point.
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