View Full Version : Garrett Atkins (is he available? - mod)
Yankee Tripper
05-27-08, 01:50 PM
According to mlbtraderumors.com the Rockies are willing to listen to offers.
He'd be a right handed bat we need and could slot into everyday 1B next year.
I'd be willing to take a serious run at him if true. He does has a similar drawback as Holliday in that his home/road splits are pretty severe though in this years admittedly small sample he's been good at Coors & on the road.
THEBOSS84
05-27-08, 01:54 PM
I would prefer Atkins (assuming he can play 1b) over Tex - I'm not joking either.
Maynerd
05-27-08, 01:55 PM
I watched Atkins play in AAA here in Colorado Springs. We could do worse. He's got some pop, and he can hit fairly consistently. He played Third base here, but he has some First Base in his resume. He'd be a more solid, more consistent player than Giambi, at a significantly lower price.
ShaneTravis
05-27-08, 02:09 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=atkinga01&year=00
The Rockies need starters and they seem to want to build with young starters. We have plenty of those and Im sure we could be a top player if he is going to be traded.
Yankee Tripper
05-27-08, 02:15 PM
I would prefer Atkins (assuming he can play 1b) over Tex - I'm not joking either.me too. he's basically the same age (5 months older I think) but under club control through 2010 and much cheaper than Tex.
He can play 1B. Not a lot of experience but some. I think he'd make the transition pretty easily.
The question is what would it take to get him and should the Yankees pay that price? I don't think a collection of B prospects gets it done. I think a package of Betences + one of (Jackson/Tabata) + one of mid tier B pitching prospect might be attractive, especally if he have an extreme GB pitcher we could include. Although even that might not be enough, would they want Kennedy? Would we want to include him?
THEBOSS84
05-27-08, 02:24 PM
me too. he's basically the same age (5 months older I think) but under club control through 2010 and much cheaper than Tex.
He can play 1B. Not a lot of experience but some. I think he'd make the transition pretty easily.
The question is what would it take to get him and should the Yankees pay that price? I don't think a collection of B prospects gets it done. I think a package of Betences + one of (Jackson/Tabata) + one of mid tier B pitching prospect might be attractive, especally if he have an extreme GB pitcher we could include. Although even that might not be enough, would they want Kennedy? Would we want to include him?
If Kennedy/Tabata/C minor leaguer gets it done, I'm all for it.
Yankee Tripper
05-27-08, 02:32 PM
If Kennedy/Tabata/C minor leaguer gets it done, I'm all for it.I don't think that would be enough.
THEBOSS84
05-27-08, 02:34 PM
I don't think that would be enough.
Yeah me niether. The funny thing is, I was expecting outrage from people here about me wanting to trade Tabata for him.
Yankee Tripper
05-27-08, 02:42 PM
Yeah me niether. The funny thing is, I was expecting outrage from people here about me wanting to trade Tabata for him.They proabbaly haven't seen the thread. I just started a little while ago. I'm sure the Tabata following will be by soon to express their outrage.
I think if you replaced "C-prospect" with "Betences" in your trade that might get it done. I'm not sure I'd want to part with Betences upside for a hitter but a resaonably cost controlled middle of the order bat that solves both our RH bat and future 1B problem would be very intriguing. Though Kennedy doesn't look like a good Coors fit as a flyball picther. Don't get me wrong I like Kennedy and at 23 I'm not giving up on him but I don't think he'd be effective in COL, PHI, CIN, or TEX with his FB tendencies.
MaximMan121
05-27-08, 03:06 PM
They proabbaly haven't seen the thread. I just started a little while ago. I'm sure the Tabata following will be by soon to express their outrage.
I think if you replaced "C-prospect" with "Betences" in your trade that might get it done. I'm not sure I'd want to part with Betences upside for a hitter but a resaonably cost controlled middle of the order bat that solves both our RH bat and future 1B problem would be very intriguing. Though Kennedy doesn't look like a good Coors fit as a flyball picther. Don't get me wrong I like Kennedy and at 23 I'm not giving up on him but I don't think he'd be effective in COL, PHI, CIN, or TEX with his FB tendencies.
I'd offer Horne and Tabata for him. They get a potential bigtime bat, and a groundball machine (great for Coors). I'd actually argue that this is a better combination than Betances/Kennedy/Tabata. Betances is too far away to help a Rockies team which is, in the here and now, competing for a playoff spot (at least for the next few weeks). Atkins would slot in well anywhere in our lineup, and save us the tremendous amount of cash Tex is going to cost (raising the odds that we get Sabathia).
I think this trade would be extremely fair.
THEBOSS84
05-27-08, 03:09 PM
I'd offer Horne and Tabata for him. They get a potential bigtime bat, and a groundball machine (great for Coors). I'd actually argue that this is a better combination than Betances/Kennedy/Tabata. Betances is too far away to help a Rockies team which is, in the here and now, competing for a playoff spot (at least for the next few weeks). Atkins would slot in well anywhere in our lineup, and save us the tremendous amount of cash Tex is going to cost (raising the odds that we get Sabathia).
I think this trade would be extremely fair.
Atkins it is!
ARoDfan4life
05-27-08, 03:10 PM
Yeah me niether. The funny thing is, I was expecting outrage from people here about me wanting to trade Tabata for him.
you rang :mad:
primetime714
05-27-08, 03:19 PM
Anyone know how long Atkins is signed for?
I definitely like this idea and would have no problem parting with Horne and Tabata for him. With a 3rd prospect like Marquez maybe also included.
Yankee Tripper
05-27-08, 03:19 PM
I'd offer Horne and Tabata for him. I would too but I think you'll need at least one more decent arm to make the deal work for colorado.
Yankee Tripper
05-27-08, 03:20 PM
Anyone know how long Atkins is signed for?
year to year arbitration guy under club control though 2010
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=atkinga01&year=00
nuff said...home vs. road splits
nuff said...home vs. road splits
I'm not that concerned about his home/away career splits because he's shown he can hit on the road. In 2006 and this year his away numbers are better than his very good home numbers. In 2005, his first full year, and 2007 he hit much better at home.
His Home Run numbers are the same home and away.
I see a lot of similarities between him and Matsui. Both make good contact and don't swing at bad pitches. In addition Atkins has been a prolific Line Drive hitter the past couple years. From 2007 to now 25% of his batted balls have been Line Drives.
Kulish29
05-27-08, 04:23 PM
Why trade for him when the Yankees can sign either Tex or Burrell for just money next year?
THEBOSS84
05-27-08, 04:28 PM
Why trade for him when the Yankees can sign either Tex or Burrell for just money next year?
Would you rather be on the hook for an arbitration player or a player that wants a 7 yr 140 mil contract? If Atkins doesn't work out by the time he is an FA, so long. If Tex doesn't work out after 3 years, you have 4 gloriously back loaded years left of him.
Yankee Tripper
05-27-08, 04:28 PM
Why trade for him when the Yankees can sign either Tex or Burrell for just money next year?
1. Neither Tex nor Burrell are available this year.
2. Tex will want a boat load of money and long number of years. The years may not look so good at the end of the contract, see Giambi, Jason.
3. Burrell can not play 1B that I know of.
4. Attkins will be in his prime for the remainder of club control, then he can be allowed to walk in 2.5 years as FA.
5. He's a very good player.
6. It is no sure thing that Tex or Burrell will sign here next year.
7. Burrell may be the worst fielding LF in the game right now, yes he has competition but he's in the discussion.
8. The money not spent on Tex could be spent on pitching, see Sabathia, CC.
These would be most of my reasons.
1. Neither Tex nor Burrell are available this year.
2. Tex will want a boat load of money and long number of years. The years may not look so good at the end of the contract, see Giambi, Jason.
3. Burrell can not play 1B that I know of.
4. Attkins will be in his prime for the remainder of club control, then he can be allowed to walk in 2.5 years as FA.
5. He's a very good player.
6. It is no sure thing that Tex or Burrell will sign here next year.
7. Burrell may be the worst fielding LF in the game right now, yes he has competition but he's in the discussion.
8. The money not spent on Tex could be spent on pitching, see Sabathia, CC.
These would be most of my reasons.
Excellent post Yankee Tripper. If I may add 1 more point.
9. Burrell is a career .199 hitter against the AL. Atkins is a .289 interleague hitter. In order for him to be as bad as Burrell he would have to go 0-90. That may indicate Burrell will take time to adjust to AL pitching.
teknetic
05-27-08, 04:56 PM
If they throw in Taylor Buchholz I'd consider it. I'm just weary of trading away both Tabata and Horne for a guy who has a lesser chance than Tex to produce for us.
Yankee Tripper
05-27-08, 05:06 PM
If they throw in Taylor Buchholz I'd consider it. I'm just weary of trading away both Tabata and Horne for a guy who has a lesser chance than Tex to produce for us.Why does he have a lesser chance? Ever check out Tex's career numbers minus his games in Arlington - which is almost but not quite as good a hitters park as Coors? If you want to get something of value you generally have to give something of value unless one team is making a pure salary dump and that isn't the case here. I would think a team would need to give up a package similar to what Atl gave to get Tex last year.
just-blaze
05-27-08, 05:09 PM
I guess we are assuming he will make a smooth transition to 1b.....
He's not a very good 3b as it is.
CT-Yankee
05-27-08, 05:19 PM
What I like about Texeira is he is a switch hitter. I would prefer him to Atkins but how likely is it that Hank is going to deal with Boras and win ?
How about a trade if Atl fades?
What I like about Texeira is he is a switch hitter. I would prefer him to Atkins but how likely is it that Hank is going to deal with Boras and win ?
How about a trade if Atl fades?
I don't like rent-a-player deals. The Yanks would have to give up good talent to have Teixeira for a couple months.
CT-Yankee
05-27-08, 06:13 PM
I don't like rent-a-player deals. The Yanks would have to give up good talent to have Teixeira for a couple months.
Yup, I agree with that but I'm thinking a Santana like contract extension as a condition. And without the Santana $ of course :)
There's only 1 problem and his name is Scott Boras.
Prison Mike
05-27-08, 06:30 PM
I want a real first baseman- no more of this "we can turn any player who sucks at their current position into a 1B so they can suck there" business.
teknetic
05-27-08, 06:52 PM
Why does he have a lesser chance? Ever check out Tex's career numbers minus his games in Arlington - which is almost but not quite as good a hitters park as Coors?
2004: .893OPS Road/.967OPS Home
2005: .801OPS Road/1.109OPS Home
2006: .983OPS Road/.791OPS Home
The difference isn't that drastic. He's a proven commodity, 4 months younger, switch hitter, and an elite defender. The only thing an issue here is the money, which we'll have plenty of to spend. Unless we're expecting Giambi part deux, there really isn't any reason to fret that we'd regret the contract. It's also not a stretch to say Tex is likely to produce more than Atkins.
If you want to get something of value you generally have to give something of value unless one team is making a pure salary dump and that isn't the case here. I would think a team would need to give up a package similar to what Atl gave to get Tex last year.
I doubt anyone of Salty's caliber is traded for Atkins.
yankeeman61
05-28-08, 08:39 AM
I'd pass. The guy just isn't good enough. I would rather have Tex in pinstripes no matter the cost difference. He's a much better ballplayer. Just because the Yankees made some bad contract decisions in the past doesn't mean you shouldn't risk bringing in high caliber players. The youth plan is great, but if you are going to compete for a championship you need some big time players as well. To sign Garrett Atkins when Tex is available just to be economical is a bad baseball decision IMO
1. Neither Tex nor Burrell are available this year.
2. Tex will want a boat load of money and long number of years. The years may not look so good at the end of the contract, see Giambi, Jason.
3. Burrell can not play 1B that I know of.
4. Attkins will be in his prime for the remainder of club control, then he can be allowed to walk in 2.5 years as FA.
5. He's a very good player.
6. It is no sure thing that Tex or Burrell will sign here next year.
7. Burrell may be the worst fielding LF in the game right now, yes he has competition but he's in the discussion.
8. The money not spent on Tex could be spent on pitching, see Sabathia, CC.
These would be most of my reasons.
1. We're not trying to sign them this year...
2. We will have a boatload of money
3. I don't want Burrell so I don't really care about this
4. Teixeira is also in his prime. And his prime is much better than Atkins'
5. Texeira is a much better player
6. We will doubtless make Teixeira the best offer
7. Again, i don't want burrell
8. We will have enough money to buy them both if we want to
Yankee Tripper
05-28-08, 10:53 AM
1. We're not trying to sign them this year...
2. We will have a boatload of money
3. I don't want Burrell so I don't really care about this
4. Teixeira is also in his prime. And his prime is much better than Atkins'
5. Texeira is a much better player
6. We will doubtless make Teixeira the best offer
7. Again, i don't want burrell
8. We will have enough money to buy them both if we want to
1. My point was Atkins addresses our need for a right handed hitter this year. The other two are not available. Atkins may or may not be.
2. Yes, I agree.
3. I don't either I was just addressing the original poster who brought it up.
4. We'll disagree. I think tex is a little better, not much better.
5. Again we'll disagree - I'd much rather have 2.5 years of Atkins prime than 3 years of Tex prime plus at least 4 years of his steady decline at a bloated salary - I think we've seen to many bad long term deals that bite us in the ass on the back end.
6. Yes, I'm afraid we will. Be careful what you wish for.
7. Again I agree.
8. Probably right but I think Atkins brings us much more roster flexibility when he comes of the books after 2010 to address whatever need we have then as opposed to being hamstrung by another overly large long term contract - It's not the money I worry about its the flexibility and too many bad back end deals.
1. My point was Atkins addresses our need for a right handed hitter this year. The other two are not available. Atkins may or may not be.
2. Yes, I agree.
3. I don't either I was just addressing the original poster who brought it up.
4. We'll disagree. I think tex is a little better, not much better.
5. Again we'll disagree - I'd much rather have 2.5 years of Atkins prime than 3 years of Tex prime plus at least 4 years of his steady decline at a bloated salary - I think we've seen to many bad long term deals that bite us in the ass on the back end.
6. Yes, I'm afraid we will. Be careful what you wish for.
7. Again I agree.
8. Probably right but I think Atkins brings us much more roster flexibility when he comes of the books after 2010 to address whatever need we have then as opposed to being hamstrung by another overly large long term contract - It's not the money I worry about its the flexibility and too many bad back end deals.
Definitely fair points. I just don't think we should let our nightmare experiences with Giambi and Pavano over-affect the way we go after free agents. Texeira is a gem. He's no Pavano with a history of not performing well, and he's not Giambi (steroids)...that we know of...
He should, by any modeling/forecasting...be a great/very good player for those 7 years.
And again, I'm just really not sold on Atkins' numbers outside of Coors. His homers may be the same or better, but his doubles and OPS go down significantly. Atkins is a good player...but in my opinion the real target should be Teixeira because we're going to need more offensive output to replace Giambi and Abreu (if he goes)
Prison Mike
05-28-08, 04:29 PM
I'd rather pay big time money for Teixera than big time prospects for Atkins.
Yankee Tripper
05-28-08, 04:55 PM
Definitely fair points. I just don't think we should let our nightmare experiences with Giambi and Pavano over-affect the way we go after free agents. Texeira is a gem. He's no Pavano with a history of not performing well, and he's not Giambi (steroids)...that we know of...
He should, by any modeling/forecasting...be a great/very good player for those 7 years.
And again, I'm just really not sold on Atkins' numbers outside of Coors. His homers may be the same or better, but his doubles and OPS go down significantly. Atkins is a good player...but in my opinion the real target should be Teixeira because we're going to need more offensive output to replace Giambi and Abreu (if he goes)
I'm not as sold on Tex as some others are. I could be wrong but I think that the 7+ year contract at $20M+ per is going to be more than he is worth.
I agree it would not likely be a Pavano like contract and you are right, I've never heard of any roid's allegations with Tex. In fact, I can't think of any stories I heard where he a problamatic teammate either.
If the Yanks do sign Tex, I'll root very hard for him to succeed, I just don't think he's the slam dunk answer to our problems that others do.
yankeeman61
05-28-08, 05:19 PM
I'm not as sold on Tex as some others are. I could be wrong but I think that the 7+ year contract at $20M+ per is going to be more than he is worth.
I agree it would not likely be a Pavano like contract and you are right, I've never heard of any roid's allegations with Tex. In fact, I can't think of any stories I heard where he a problamatic teammate either.
If the Yanks do sign Tex, I'll root very hard for him to succeed, I just don't think he's the slam dunk answer to our problems that others do.
There isn't one answer to the problems the Yankees have, but Tex is a good start. A very good switch hitting 1B who is heading into his prime and can play good defense will help this team. Add Sabathia and you have another piece of the answer.
Yankee Tripper
05-28-08, 05:45 PM
There isn't one answer to the problems the Yankees have, but Tex is a good start. A very good switch hitting 1B who is heading into his prime and can play good defense will help this team. Add Sabathia and you have another piece of the answer.I don't doubt that Tex would be very nice fit for the 2009 - 2011 seasons and likely worth every penny of the contract he signs (barring injury), in fact I think he'd be a perfect fit for us. It's the 2012 - 2016 and possibly beyond years that worry me greatly in a potential tex deal.
yankeeman61
05-28-08, 05:49 PM
I don't doubt that Tex would be very nice fit for the 2009 - 2011 seasons and likely worth every penny of the contract he signs (barring injury), in fact I think he'd be a perfect fit for us. It's the 2012 - 2016 and possibly beyond years that worry me greatly in a potential tex deal.
He will be turning 29 next year. He'll be 32 in 2012. I wouldn't worry about a steep decline at that point
Yankee Tripper
05-28-08, 06:00 PM
He will be turning 29 next year. He'll be 32 in 2012. I wouldn't worry about a steep decline at that point
Looking at his comps I would http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp.cgi?I=teixema01:Mark+Teixeira&st=int&compage=27&age=27
some very good post age 32 performances but some that completely disappeared. In the "pre-steroid" era many players began their decline at age 32 and most were not particulary productive by age 35. Again I see no taint of steriods with Tex so that may no be a concern and clearly training methods are better today than the past so maybe players will experience a longer peak but IIRC from Bill James a player's peak year were generally over by age 32. Dale Murhpy for example was pretty much finished as a hitter by age 32, he kept himself in great shape and was a multiple MVP.
AlbanyColonieYankee
05-30-08, 11:08 AM
1. We're not trying to sign them this year...
2. We will have a boatload of money
3. I don't want Burrell so I don't really care about this
4. Teixeira is also in his prime. And his prime is much better than Atkins'
5. Texeira is a much better player
6. We will doubtless make Teixeira the best offer
7. Again, i don't want burrell
8. We will have enough money to buy them both if we want to
Regarding #6....don't forget that the Mets will also be in need of a 1B next year, and aren't afraid of spending a lot of money and years to get what they want.
THEBOSS84
05-30-08, 11:11 AM
Regarding #6....don't forget that the Mets will also be in need of a 1B next year, and aren't afraid of spending a lot of money and years to get what they want.
I understand that the Mets are a big market team and have some salaries coming off the books after the season. That being said, can you imagine them spending another 6 yrs and around $120M on one player after spending more than that on Johan this past offseason? I can't.
smckdwn989
05-30-08, 12:13 PM
I would too but I think you'll need at least one more decent arm to make the deal work for colorado.
throw in igawa and I'd make the deal lol
anyways... i'm in the Teixiera camp. He'll just cost money and the yankees have a ton of it. We can use prospects to deal for other needed areas.
THEBOSS84
05-30-08, 01:17 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/05/30/heyman.rockies/index.html?eref=T1
teknetic
05-30-08, 01:18 PM
I understand that the Mets are a big market team and have some salaries coming off the books after the season. That being said, can you imagine them spending another 6 yrs and around $120M on one player after spending more than that on Johan this past offseason? I can't.
I don't. They're already skimping out on the draft, Santana broke the Wilpon bank.
I don't doubt that Tex would be very nice fit for the 2009 - 2011 seasons and likely worth every penny of the contract he signs (barring injury), in fact I think he'd be a perfect fit for us. It's the 2012 - 2016 and possibly beyond years that worry me greatly in a potential tex deal.
Isn't this how most deals for studs who are in their prime go about? pay for performance for the first few years and hope they can keep it up as the contract comes to an end? ARod is in the same boat, so is CC, and so will anyone who signs a megacontract after the age of 28.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/05/30/heyman.rockies/index.html?eref=T1
Wonder what it'll take to nab Buchholz. His numbers as a starter weren't so hot, but he's been dominant since entering the bullpen. He has a wicked curve and was sitting 92-94 with a decent changeup in the Mets game I saw last week.
Under multimedia "Buchholz K's five"
http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=430587
THEBOSS84
05-30-08, 01:23 PM
I don't. They're already skimping out on the draft, Santana broke the Wilpon bank.
Isn't this how most deals for studs who are in their prime go about? pay for performance for the first few years and hope they can keep it up as the contract comes to an end? ARod is in the same boat, so is CC, and so will anyone who signs a megacontract after the age of 28.
Thanks for making it look like I wrote that comment that I also happen to disagree with.
teknetic
05-30-08, 01:24 PM
Thanks for making it look like I wrote that comment that I also happen to disagree with.
I was too lazy to quote his post so I copied and pasted, blame it on the format :mad:
Yankee Tripper
05-30-08, 01:40 PM
Thanks for making it look like I wrote that comment that I also happen to disagree with.
Looks like my quote he mixed in wit yours. I'll take credit/blame.
for tecknetic
On Buchlotz, just an :lol: moment I picked him up for holds in one fantasy league just cuz he had been dealing and has SP eligibility - 1st outing for me last night - 0 IP, 3 R, 2 ER, 3 H. Though I wouldn't judge him on just one outing. Anyway I don't think he's on the block.
teknetic
05-30-08, 03:28 PM
Looks like my quote he mixed in wit yours. I'll take credit/blame.
for tecknetic
On Buchlotz, just an :lol: moment I picked him up for holds in one fantasy league just cuz he had been dealing and has SP eligibility - 1st outing for me last night - 0 IP, 3 R, 2 ER, 3 H. Though I wouldn't judge him on just one outing. Anyway I don't think he's on the block.
Yea, I wasn't expecting him to be available, with them wanting to ship out Fuentes and all.
Yankee Tripper
05-30-08, 03:59 PM
Yea, I wasn't expecting him to be available, with them wanting to ship out Fuentes and all.
Fuentes is a guy I wouldn't mind getting.
Kulish29
05-30-08, 04:20 PM
So, you dont want Burrell because you dont think he can play first base, but you want a guy who, is primarliy a 3rd baseman, has a career 111 OPS+, and hits about 20 HR's a year, over a guy like Burrell who, has played 1st and actually hits like a first baseman should (career 120 OPS+, about 30 HR's a year)?
Ok then.
Burrell would come cheaper than Tex and Atkins (with Tex I'm talking money, with Atkins I'm talking prospects), would come for less years and does not have Boras as an agent. His H/R splits are nearly identical. Meanwhile, Atkins H/R splits arent that great and he doesnt hit like a first baseman should. Hell, he doesnt hit like a 3rd baseman should.
Yankee Tripper
05-30-08, 04:32 PM
So, you dont want Burrell because you dont think he cant play first base, but you want a guy who, is primarliy a 3rd baseman, has a career 111 OPS+, and hits about 20 HR's a year, over a guy like Burrell who, has played 1st and actually hits like a first baseman should (career 120 OPS+, about 40 HR's a year)?
Ok then.
Burrell would come cheaper than Tex and Atkins (with Tex I'm talking money, with Atkins I'm talking prospects), would come for less years and does not have Boras as an agent. His H/R splits are nearly identical. Meanwhile, Atkins H/R splits arent that great and he doesnt hit like a first baseman should. Hell, he doesnt hit like a 3rd baseman should.
3B -> 1B easier than LF -> 1B. Burell hasn't played a game at 1B since 2000 and even then he wasn't very good at it.
Burrell has never hit 40 HRs, his career high is 37 back in 2002.
Burrell is 3 years older and entering the same decline phase I would worry about Tex (or Atkins) in 3 to 4 years.
CBP is an excellent HR park, Yankee Stadium not so much for RHB. Check out his 2007 H/R splits and his career line in CBP his numbers there are far better than his career line. 2008 looks like the outlier in his splits, not the norm at its a relatievly small sample.
Would rather have Andy LaRoche instead of Garrett Atkins. LaRoche is controlable for the next 6 years and entering his prime.
stillma7ic
06-01-08, 02:22 AM
who is also extremely streaky and inconsistent.
Yankees1962
06-08-08, 06:26 AM
Joel Sherman wants to trade Kennedy, Cabrera and Melancon for Atkins. I rather not make the playoffs then to make that trade.
JohnnyDamonfan
06-08-08, 07:02 AM
What I want is a big powerbat. Because once we lose Giambi we are losing a big power batter who can hit a lot of homeruns for us. Can Atkins really be that power bat in our line up when Giambi leaves?
primetime714
06-08-08, 12:45 PM
Joel Sherman wants to trade Kennedy, Cabrera and Melancon for Atkins. I rather not make the playoffs then to make that trade.
Replace Melancon with another reliever and that's not a bad deal.
Then you move Damon to CF and Matsui to LF in the everyday lineup. Bring up Gardner to give them some rest and give us better defense.
Kennedy and Melky are tradeable assets IMO. Melky gives us great defense but is a below average offensive CF and we have Jackson and Gardner in the minors at CF. Kennedy I'd like to keep and see him turn it around, but at the same time he is still a bottom of the rotation type.
BennyTheJetRodriguez
06-08-08, 12:48 PM
Replace Melancon with another reliever and that's not a bad deal.
Then you move Damon to CF and Matsui to LF in the everyday lineup. Bring up Gardner to give them some rest and give us better defense.
Kennedy and Melky are tradeable assets IMO. Melky gives us great defense but is a below average offensive CF and we have Jackson and Gardner in the minors at CF. Kennedy I'd like to keep and see him turn it around, but at the same time he is still a bottom of the rotation type.
I'd make that trade if they included Fuentes. That probably wouldn't entice the Rox, but maybe Hawpe(who played 1B coming up) instead of Atkins?
BennyTheJetRodriguez
06-08-08, 01:15 PM
Just realized Hawpe is left handed, I guess that acquisition would be pretty redundant. Although he could slide right into RF as the Yankees pick up two draft picks for Abreu.
Bleacher_Creature
09-17-08, 12:17 PM
Atkins May Be Shopped For Pitching (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/09/atkins-may-be-s.html)
Let's take a look at Rockies first/third baseman Garrett Atkins. Atkins turns 29 in December and is disappointed by his .287/.331/.451 line in 632 plate appearances this year. His hitting away from Coors has been worrisome - .245/.305/.417 in 600 ABs the past two seasons.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/09/atkins-may-be-s.html
Igawa for Atkins!!!
Atkins May Be Shopped For Pitching (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/09/atkins-may-be-s.html)
Let's take a look at Rockies first/third baseman Garrett Atkins. Atkins turns 29 in December and is disappointed by his .287/.331/.451 line in 632 plate appearances this year. His hitting away from Coors has been worrisome - .245/.305/.417 in 600 ABs the past two seasons.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/09/atkins-may-be-s.html
Igawa for Atkins!!!
Igawa for Spilborghs instead please!!!!!!!!
flymick24
09-17-08, 12:48 PM
are people just ignoring his splits? he's terrible outside of coors... and even at coors, he's pretty average
THEBOSS84
09-17-08, 12:49 PM
If we can get him for IPK+ I'm all for it. Put him at first base and see what he can do.
JohnnyDamonfan
09-17-08, 06:07 PM
I'd be happy with a Kennedy package for him. Depending on who the other guys in this package are.
teknetic
09-17-08, 07:04 PM
IPK, Igawa, Marquez, Albaladejo, and Melky for Atkins.
Quantity over quality?
Roberto Kelly
09-17-08, 07:40 PM
I'll eat my hat if igawa returns anything of value.
metalboy15
09-18-08, 02:57 AM
1. He's not that very good offensively.
2. He's been well below average defensively at 1st.
3. Would cost blue chip prospects.
No thanks.
Abe Frohman
09-18-08, 07:05 AM
1. He's not that very good offensively.
2. He's been well below average defensively at 1st.
3. Would cost blue chip prospects.
No thanks.
Can he get the job done ? Thats the question. I feel like these are the kind of players
we need to be targeting this winter. Scrappy hard nosed players that just get the job
done with none of the Contract drama ... something we wouldtn stop hearing if we
signed Tex. I bet that if we put him at 1st he can field the position, has some pop in
his bat, can move runners in situations, can hit a friggin sac fly. I like Garrett Atkins
for this team. I had him on my Fantasy team this year. The guy goes on tears for
extended periods of time and he beats himself up when hes underperforming. A
Gamer. These are the kinds of players we're missing. Nady was a good start.
metalboy15
09-18-08, 02:12 PM
Can he get the job done ? Thats the question. I feel like these are the kind of players
we need to be targeting this winter. Scrappy hard nosed players that just get the job
done with none of the Contract drama ... something we wouldtn stop hearing if we
signed Tex. I bet that if we put him at 1st he can field the position, has some pop in
his bat, can move runners in situations, can hit a friggin sac fly. I like Garrett Atkins
for this team. I had him on my Fantasy team this year. The guy goes on tears for
extended periods of time and he beats himself up when hes underperforming. A
Gamer. These are the kinds of players we're missing. Nady was a good start.
The guy has a career tOPS+ of ~80 outside of Coors.
Defensively at 1st so far this year (53 games):
PECOTA's FRAA (FRAR): -6 (-1)
Hardball Times's RZR: .667
Hardball Times's OOZ: 6
No thanks.
MaximMan121
09-18-08, 03:25 PM
Can he get the job done ? Thats the question. I feel like these are the kind of players
we need to be targeting this winter. Scrappy hard nosed players that just get the job
done with none of the Contract drama ... something we wouldtn stop hearing if we
signed Tex. I bet that if we put him at 1st he can field the position, has some pop in
his bat, can move runners in situations, can hit a friggin sac fly. I like Garrett Atkins
for this team. I had him on my Fantasy team this year. The guy goes on tears for
extended periods of time and he beats himself up when hes underperforming. A
Gamer. These are the kinds of players we're missing. Nady was a good start.
Yeah....he goes on tears when he is playing at Coors for an extended period of time.
I mean, if he cost Igawa, I'd cry for joy. I still wouldn't want him to play on the team, though.
Abe Frohman
09-18-08, 07:56 PM
Yeah....he goes on tears when he is playing at Coors for an extended period of time.
I mean, if he cost Igawa, I'd cry for joy. I still wouldn't want him to play on the team, though.
Hey, Just a thought you know ? I'd love to have Tex on this team but its the contract,
not the actual money just what comes with the contract that turns me off as a fan. If
we could find a role player, a scrappy guy to get the job done too id rather that.
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