View Full Version : Why The Yanks Need To Obtain Damaso Marte
Because he's a lefty--they need a lefty bigtime IMO
Because he could take Chamberlain's spot in the bullpen
Chamberlain could move into the rotation and still not pitch too many innings
Wang
Mussina
Pettitte
Chamberlain
Rasner/Kennedy
Rivera
Marte
Farnsworth
Hawkins
Ohlendorf
Kennedy/Rasner
Britton/Veras/Ramirez
What would it take to get Marte, that's the question. I'd give up someone like Marquez, maybe pull the trigger on moving Tabata too. Would those two interest the Pirates? What about throwing in Betamit? That would give the Pirates two potential everyday position players and a potential #3 or #4 starter for that staff. All three players are inexpensive for several years, and the Pirates shed some salary.
I don't mind overpaying with players if it shores up the rotation, gives us a lefty setup guy, and doesn't realy cost anyone who's prominent in the team's future plans. Tabata may be the closest to being in that category,but outfielders can be obtained much easier than quality lefty relievers. Betemit can be replaced by Alberto Gonzalez, who brings another source of energy and fire to this club. There are several pitching prospects higher on the totem pole than Marquez, he's expendable.
What do you think?
MattUNC2003
05-17-08, 08:36 AM
If he can be had for just Marquez, sure.
Remember, the Pirates were talking about trading him this past winter and were demanding some quality blue-chips. Marquez probably doesn't have that status right now, as AAA hasn't been to kind to him.
Besides, I really think this team's problem isn't the lack of a LHP in the bullpen. You can have pitchers allow only one run a game, and still lose.
Someone needs to remind this team how to hit with RISP.
longtimeyankeefan
05-17-08, 08:43 AM
If he can be had for just Marquez, sure.
Remember, the Pirates were talking about trading him this past winter and were demanding some quality blue-chips. Marquez probably doesn't have that status right now, as AAA hasn't been to kind to him.
Besides, I really think this team's problem isn't the lack of a LHP in the bullpen. You can have pitchers allow only one run a game, and still lose.
Someone needs to remind this team how to hit with RISP.
Totally agree.
If he can be had for just Marquez, sure.
Remember, the Pirates were talking about trading him this past winter and were demanding some quality blue-chips. Marquez probably doesn't have that status right now, as AAA hasn't been to kind to him.
Is Tabata a "blue-chip"? Can Betemit put up good numbers with 400-500 AB s? Marquez would be just part of the package, not the center of it. What pitching prospect would you give up that the Pirates would be interested in?
Besides, I really think this team's problem isn't the lack of a LHP in the bullpen.
The main thing this acquisition would do would be to shore up the rotation (by adding Chamberlain to it) without weakening the bullpen. The rotation has been one of the biggest,most glaring weaknesses of this club.
I have confidence the offense will revert back to its true potential as soon as Girardi can pencil in the same guys each and every day. The injuries and all the juggling has played a big part in the inconsistency,IMO.
nnysiny
05-17-08, 08:58 AM
ill take Marte for someone like Marquez or White, but thats about it
MattUNC2003
05-17-08, 09:11 AM
Is Tabata a "blue-chip"? Can Betemit put up good numbers with 400-500 AB s? Marquez would be just part of the package, not the center of it. What pitching prospect would you give up that the Pirates would be interested in?
Trading Tabata in any package for Marte alone, despite his numbers thus far, is beyond absurd.
Honestly, the biggest package I think would be reasonable for Marte is Marquez + someone like Chase Wright. That's honestly about it.
The main thing this acquisition would do would be to shore up the rotation (by adding Chamberlain to it) without weakening the bullpen. The rotation has been one of the biggest,most glaring weaknesses of this club.
I understand that. But why trade for someone? Realistically, a trade like this would go down July 31st. At roughly that time, you could have people like Robertson/Melancon/Cox/Patterson/McCutchen do the same job (especially Robertson, Cox, and Melancon) for cheaper than Marte AND get to keep Marquez and whoever else would be in the package and hope that Marquez pans out into a decent 6th or 7th inning pitcher.
I have confidence the offense will revert back to its true potential as soon as Girardi can pencil in the same guys each and every day. The injuries and all the juggling has played a big part in the inconsistency,IMO.
I'm desperately awaiting the re-arrival of A-Rod. But, the inability to hit with RISP is still troubling no matter how you spin it.
ShaneTravis
05-17-08, 09:21 AM
Brian Fuentes:
-same age
-better numbers this year than Damaso
-free agent after this year
-5.5 million on a horrible team that is going no where,salary dump?
-complete monster vs Lefty
-Rockies are thinking of trading for Taverez-tell me we can't ship them Wright,Dan G,White...we have to come up with someone better than Julian.
apalradio
05-17-08, 10:04 AM
With all the complaints about this team's age, seems like we'll be hearing more of that by acquiring a 33 YO reliever. I do like Marte, but something about this doesn't sound like a fit.
The bullpen has actually been really good, so I don't see a need to change it right now. We need 2 things:
1) A-Rod and Posada - yes, you can deal with injuries, but having these two in the lineup are absolutely key to the offense.
2) Starting pitching - Kennedy needs to bring some of that AAA magic to the bigs, Hughes needs to get healthy and regain the stuff that made him a top prospect...or else the Yanks need to try something else. If Joba's going to the rotation soon, that's one thing, but I hate the idea of not having him on the big club for however long it would take to stretch him out.
ShaneTravis
06-02-08, 09:44 AM
Brian Fuentes:
-same age
-better numbers this year than Damaso
-free agent after this year
-5.5 million on a horrible team that is going no where,salary dump?
-complete monster vs Lefty
-Rockies are thinking of trading for Taverez-tell me we can't ship them Wright,Dan G,White...we have to come up with someone better than Julian.
Thought I would repost this. Denver Post mentioned today that the Yanks are keeping an eye on Fuentes.
No speculation on who they would want in exchange.
JohnnyDamonfan
06-05-08, 10:01 AM
If we're gonna get anyone I think it should be Fuentes. It sounds like he can be brought over here for a small fee. If the Rockies want Tavarez from the Red Sox in exchange for Fuentes. I believe we can get him for someone better then Tavarez. And in all honesty how hard could that be? Unless they up their price I say you got yourself a deal.
If we're gonna get anyone I think it should be Fuentes. It sounds like he can be brought over here for a small fee. If the Rockies want Tavarez from the Red Sox in exchange for Fuentes. I believe we can get him for someone better then Tavarez. And in all honesty how hard could that be? Unless they up their price I say you got yourself a deal.
If the Sox could have gotten Fuentes for Tavarez, don't you think they would have done so instead of designating him for assignment?
Yankee Tripper
06-05-08, 10:35 AM
ill take Marte for someone like Marquez or White, but thats about itso basically you have no interest in a 3 time all-star closer unless the rockes want to give him away for next to nothing.
JohnnyDamonfan
06-06-08, 09:54 PM
If the Sox could have gotten Fuentes for Tavarez, don't you think they would have done so instead of designating him for assignment?
Probably it's a package. I just read that they could get Fuentes with Tavarez. But, I would think they might want a couple more guys then that.
MattUNC2003
06-07-08, 07:53 AM
so basically you have no interest in a 3 time all-star closer unless the rockes want to give him away for next to nothing.
Damaso Marte doesn't play for the Rockies. He plays for the Pirates. Damaso Marte isn't a three time All-Star closer (he's not even a closer, nor has he closed games since 2003). He's a multiple time "People on NYYFans are obsessed with trading for me" guy, though. He's got a WS ring with the Chi-Sox and that's about it.
Brian Fuentes plays for the Rockies. Brian Fuentes is a three time All-Star closer. Fuentes > Marte. If Fuentes is on the table, most logically, more talent should be given up to obtain him because he's better than Marte.
I wish Marte would either retire, or get traded somewhere else so that people could stop pondering his acquisition.
BennyTheJetRodriguez
06-07-08, 02:44 PM
Damaso Marte doesn't play for the Rockies. He plays for the Pirates. Damaso Marte isn't a three time All-Star closer (he's not even a closer, nor has he closed games since 2003). He's a multiple time "People on NYYFans are obsessed with trading for me" guy, though. He's got a WS ring with the Chi-Sox and that's about it.
Brian Fuentes plays for the Rockies. Brian Fuentes is a three time All-Star closer. Fuentes > Marte. If Fuentes is on the table, most logically, more talent should be given up to obtain him because he's better than Marte.
I wish Marte would either retire, or get traded somewhere else so that people could stop pondering his acquisition.
I think a lot of the obsession comes from people talking about the enrique wilson trade at nauseam. How many times a persons name has been mentioned means more than production to some.
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