View Full Version : Roy Oswalt on the block, similar to Jenny
JavyVazquezIsSick
04-25-08, 10:44 AM
Apr 24 Oswalt said he would consider waiving his no-trade if the Astros approached him with a trade offer.
Recommendation: There had been rumors that Houston was shopping the righthander, but both Oswalt and Astros general manager Ed Wade downplayed the rumors on Thursday. The Yankees, not surprisingly, had been mentioned as a possible trade partner.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6646/news
I want that.
yankeesAZ
04-25-08, 10:45 AM
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http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6646/news
They'll probably want Joba or Hughes for him. No thanks.
aeromac76
04-25-08, 10:56 AM
For Oswalt, I am listening..
Sure they'd ask for Hughes and Joba and Cano and Melky. Perhaps even all at once if their GM went to Bill Smith school..
But you talk them down. Melky's value is going up. The guy is starting to remind me of Bernie Williams. Are we interested in including him for Oswalt?
Because if you start with that, and then start including guys like Kennedy and perhaps Horne, you are starting a reasonable discussion. But yeah, we'd have to give up some goods to get him.
JavyVazquezIsSick
04-25-08, 10:57 AM
They'll probably want Joba or Hughes for him. No thanks.
I think a deal could definitely be worked to not include either of them.
THEBOSS84
04-25-08, 10:57 AM
Contract status?
If the Astros trade Oswalt, they may as well trade Berkman, Lee and Tejada too.
Their farm system is one of the worst in baseball, so they'll want some nice talent.
JavyVazquezIsSick
04-25-08, 11:01 AM
Contract status?
Amazing contract in this market.
Roy Oswalt rhp
5 years/$73M (2007-11), plus $16M 2012 club option
signed extension 8/06
07:$13M, 08:$13M, 09:$14M, 10:$15M, 11:$16M,
12:$16M club option ($2M buyout)
Oswalt may opt out of 2012 option & take a reduced buyout
full no-trade clause
2 years/$16.9M (2005-06)
avoided arbitration 2/05 ($7.8M-$6M)
05:$5.9M, 06:$11M
award bonus based on finish in Cy Young vote ($0.5M for 1st, $0.35M for 2nd, $0.25M for 3rd)
contract also re-worked 10/05 to allow Houston owner Drayton McLane to give Oswalt a bulldozer for winning Game 6 of '05 NLCS
1 year/$3.25M (2004), avoided arbitration 1/04
1 year/$0.5M (2003) 2/03
1 year/$0.3M (2002)
drafted 1996 (23-684)
agent: Robert Garber
ML service: 6.149
-Cots
ShaneTravis
04-25-08, 11:02 AM
Contract status?
If the Astros trade Oswalt, they may as well trade Berkman, Lee and Tejada too.
Their farm system is one of the worst in baseball, so they'll want some nice talent.
If they were to trade Berkman I would be all over that.
THEBOSS84
04-25-08, 11:04 AM
Amazing contract in this market.
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-Cots
Wow, I'm dying for this dude now.
I'd trade Tabata and Kennedy plus another lower level minor leaguer for him right now.
JeffWeaverFan
04-25-08, 11:04 AM
I don't see how they would accept a deal without Hughes in it. If it's Kennedy and something else, I'd have to consider it depending on the something else.
dabomb2045
04-25-08, 11:06 AM
I don't see how they would accept a deal without Hughes in it. If it's Kennedy and something else, I'd have to consider it depending on the something else.
I feel the same way about this as I did the Santana deal. NO Joba and Hughes. If we can get him without giving up either of those two (and preferably not AJack either) then I'm all for it.
ShaneTravis
04-25-08, 11:06 AM
Didn't Peter Gammons mention it on Baseball Tonight a couple of days ago? And when asked Oswalt laughed it off like it had zero merit?
THEBOSS84
04-25-08, 11:07 AM
Mlbtraderumors:
Oswalt Staying Put
Last night on Baseball Tonight, Peter Gammons suggested that Roy Oswalt might become available and that he was willing to waive his no-trade clause.
The Astros, however, are far from cashing in their chips. They've won their last four and have no intention of trading Oswalt. Oswalt is signed through 2011 with a full no-trade clause. Oswalt repeated his stance from last year - he'd consider waiving it if the Astros approached him (and if the acquiring team is the Cardinals, Braves, or Red Sox). I imagine most players feel this way. It's a moot point right now; Ed Wade isn't considering trading him.
Oswalt seemed like the one true healthy ace who might be available come July. I'll touch on the remaining options in the next MLB Roundup.
I think Kennedy and Melky+ (probably Tabata or Jackson) is something they listen to. But then we don't have our up and coming CF, probably have to promote Gardner and live with his struggles
dabomb2045
04-25-08, 11:08 AM
Wow, I'm dying for this dude now.
I'd trade Tabata and Kennedy plus another lower level minor leaguer for him right now.
I would do that in a second. The emergence of AJack (as well as Tabata's power issues and hand injuries) has made me willing to include Tabata in a deal for an ace pitcher. Kennedy is a nice pitcher---but his ceiling isnt high enough that we shouldnt be willing to give him up for someone like Oswalt.
YankeePride1967
04-25-08, 11:08 AM
I'd be willing to listen as long as Joba and Phil are off the table.
JeffWeaverFan
04-25-08, 11:26 AM
I think Kennedy and Melky+ (probably Tabata or Jackson) is something they listen to. But then we don't have our up and coming CF, probably have to promote Gardner and live with his struggles
I don't see how we can give up Melky. Plus, they already have a CFer in Pence.
justtxyank
04-25-08, 12:33 PM
Pence is their RF. Bourne is the CF.
The GM of the Astros and Roy Oswalt have both laughed off the report saying it's bogus. There was a local article that while Roy is willing to waive his NTC if need be, the Yankees are not a team that would be on his short list of where'd he be willing to go.
This is a pipe dream.
JavyVazquezIsSick
04-25-08, 12:37 PM
Pence is their RF. Bourne is the CF.
The GM of the Astros and Roy Oswalt have both laughed off the report saying it's bogus. There was a local article that while Roy is willing to waive his NTC if need be, the Yankees are not a team that would be on his short list of where'd he be willing to go.
This is a pipe dream.
I'd like to see that article.
President Kennedy
04-25-08, 12:41 PM
I think a deal could definitely be worked to not include either of them.
Of course. Why in the world would Houston ask for one of top two young pitchers for one of baseball's elite starting pitchers?
Yankee fans can be as delusional as any other fan base when it comes to this stuff, convinced that we can pry other teams' great players for whatever parts from our own that we don't need.
Prison Mike
04-25-08, 12:42 PM
This is just a blog at the Houston Chronicle site- take it for what it's worth about him not going to the Yanks.
http://blogs.chron.com/baseballblog/archives/2008/04/yankees_need_no.html
I'd give up Kennedy and Tabata for him- but I doubt that would get it done. Both stocks are way down right now.
justtxyank
04-25-08, 12:42 PM
http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080424&content_id=2579533&vkey=news_hou&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou
A recent comment made on ESPN's "Baseball Tonight" indicated Oswalt was willing to waive his no-trade clause and that the Astros may have him on the trading block. The Yankees were mentioned as the front-runner in the Oswalt sweepstakes.
The report appears to be a rehashing of a story nearly a year old. Last season, as the Astros were in the middle of a season-long tumble to the bottom of the standings, Oswalt was asked if he would waive his no-trade clause if he thought the team wouldn't be competitive during the life of his contract, which expires in 2011. The club holds an option for 2012.
Oswalt said if the Astros approached him with a trade proposal, he'd consider it. He didn't specify which teams he'd go to, but it's unlikely the Yankees would be on the short list. The Red Sox, Braves and Cardinals would probably interest him.
justtxyank
04-25-08, 12:45 PM
On top of that, I've personally heard both him and Lance Berkman give interviews in which they said they have no interest to ever play in NYC.
JavyVazquezIsSick
04-25-08, 12:47 PM
Of course. Why in the world would Houston ask for one of top two young pitchers for one of baseball's elite starting pitchers?
Yankee fans can be as delusional as any other fan base when it comes to this stuff, convinced that we can pry other teams' great players for whatever parts from our own that we don't need.
Agreed. Posters can also be delusional when they do not know anything about the Yankees farm system and forget the Yankees financial advantages.
justtxyank
04-25-08, 12:49 PM
Agreed. Posters can also be delusional when they do not know anything about the Yankees farm system and forget the Yankees financial advantages.
With Oswalt's contract, there wouldn't be much of a benefit to have the Yankees financial advantages.
JavyVazquezIsSick
04-25-08, 12:49 PM
On top of that, I've personally heard both him and Lance Berkman give interviews in which they said they have no interest to ever play in NYC.
but it's unlikely the Yankees would be on the short list.
I'm not sure how much weight you could put into this quote, its not exactly convincing. Who is reporting this? Gammons?
JavyVazquezIsSick
04-25-08, 12:50 PM
With Oswalt's contract, there wouldn't be much of a benefit to have the Yankees financial advantages.
I wasn't referring to just taking on Oswalt's contract.
Of course. Why in the world would Houston ask for one of top two young pitchers for one of baseball's elite starting pitchers?
Yankee fans can be as delusional as any other fan base when it comes to this stuff, convinced that we can pry other teams' great players for whatever parts from our own that we don't need.
We're not getting Oswalt, but Hughes' perceived value has probably dipped enough where they could find pieces much easier in the minors to move instead of him now than before in most deals.
Prison Mike
04-25-08, 12:51 PM
Oswalt does not seem like a New York guy- he's kind of a hick.
President Kennedy
04-25-08, 12:51 PM
Agreed. Posters can also be delusional when they do not know anything about the Yankees farm system and forget the Yankees financial advantages.
Sure, those folks along with the other types who overvalue what we have believing that other organizations place them in as high a regard. I mean, the Twins would be NUTS to turn down any package we can offer over any flotsom the Mets could muster from their crappy system, right?
justtxyank
04-25-08, 12:52 PM
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I'm not sure how much weight you could put into this quote, its not exactly convincing. Who is reporting this? Gammons?
No, that's from Astros.com beatwriter Alsyon Footer. She's very sharp. Jesus Ortiz, one of the Chronicle's only knowledgeable baseball writers said this:
Believe what you want, but I'll tell you there are three teams he'll accept a trade to, and those teams aren't in New York. They aren't the Yankees. They aren't the Mets.
They are the St. Louis Cardinals, Atlanta Braves and Boston Red Sox.
http://blogs.chron.com/baseballblog/archives/2008/04/yankees_need_no.html
You can hold out whatever hope you want, but it's probably in vain. I'm telling you, Oswalt has never hidden the fact that he did not want to pitch in NY.
President Kennedy
04-25-08, 12:53 PM
We're not getting Oswalt, but Hughes' perceived value has probably dipped enough where they could find pieces much easier in the minors to move instead of him now than before in most deals.
I strongly doubt his value has dropped that much. Other teams don't scout via baseball message boards, so I doubt any of them are jumping off a cliff due to a 21 year old getting off to a rough start. Hughes, and Joba, are still the jewels in our system and there is no reason the Astros need to take anything less than Hughes if they're dealing Oswalt to us.
JavyVazquezIsSick
04-25-08, 12:54 PM
No, that's from Astros.com beatwriter Alsyon Footer. She's very sharp. Jesus Ortiz, one of the Chronicle's only knowledgeable baseball writers said this:
http://blogs.chron.com/baseballblog/archives/2008/04/yankees_need_no.html
You can hold out whatever hope you want, but it's probably in vain. I'm telling you, Oswalt has never hidden the fact that he did not want to pitch in NY.
Yeah I read that, that is more believable. Maybe Pettitte could help convince him. We'll see.
JavyVazquezIsSick
04-25-08, 12:57 PM
Sure, those folks along with the other types who overvalue what we have believing that other organizations place them in as high a regard. I mean, the Twins would be NUTS to turn down any package we can offer over any flotsom the Mets could muster from their crappy system, right?
Overvalue what we have? Yeah, it just us guys on the message boards and various independent minor league analyst/websites.
Bouton_Howe
04-25-08, 12:58 PM
Amazing contract in this market.
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-Cots
Did I read this right? "contract also re-worked 10/05 to allow Houston owner Drayton McLane to give Oswalt a bulldozer for winning Game 6 of '05 NLCS"
President Kennedy
04-25-08, 01:00 PM
Overvalue what we have? Yeah, it just us guys on the message boards and various independent minor league analyst/websites.
You're missing the point. It's not that our system isn't good or we don't have promising players in it, it's just that I doubt Houston would entertain a deal without wanting Hughes. They don't need to trade Oswalt to us, so they don't need to accept whatever pieces you've dreamed up that will bridge that gap.
This whole scenario, both getting Oswalt and getting him without Hughes, is the stuff of fantasy. Not to mention he would have to replace someone in the rotation and unless you're unloading one of our starters in any deal, it's not as simple as suggesting that, say, Mike Mussina be told he's now the new long man out of the bullpen.
JavyVazquezIsSick
04-25-08, 01:03 PM
You're missing the point. It's not that our system isn't good or we don't have promising players in it, it's just that I doubt Houston would entertain a deal without wanting Hughes. They don't need to trade Oswalt to us, so they don't need to accept whatever pieces you've dreamed up that will bridge that gap..
:lol: Your argument was originally this
we can pry other teams' great players for whatever parts from our own that we don't need.
This whole scenario, both getting Oswalt and getting him without Hughes, is the stuff of fantasy. Not to mention he would have to replace someone in the rotation and unless you're unloading one of our starters in any deal, it's not as simple as suggesting that, say, Mike Mussina be told he's now the new long man out of the bullpen.
Thats a problem the Yankees would gladly like to have.
justtxyank
04-25-08, 01:09 PM
Did I read this right? "contract also re-worked 10/05 to allow Houston owner Drayton McLane to give Oswalt a bulldozer for winning Game 6 of '05 NLCS"
Yep you read it right. They are very close and Oswalt is a major country boy.
I strongly doubt his value has dropped that much. Other teams don't scout via baseball message boards, so I doubt any of them are jumping off a cliff due to a 21 year old getting off to a rough start. Hughes, and Joba, are still the jewels in our system and there is no reason the Astros need to take anything less than Hughes if they're dealing Oswalt to us.
It's definitely dropped. Whatever his mechanical armageddon did to his stuff/command (although that's mercifully being corrected now) undoubtedly hurt his value. He went from being THE pitching prospect in all of MLB, a guy with ace potential, to guy many scouts/teams apparently now think is comparable to Kennedy and even then, not always in a favorable light.
We're not getting Oswalt, but it's not out of the question at all that a team could take a package without him now, especially with the depth of the Yankees' system, in a trade. We speculate tons of biased stuff, but this isn't one of them to just scoff at and dismiss immediately any more. :dunno:
just-blaze
04-25-08, 01:14 PM
You're missing the point. It's not that our system isn't good or we don't have promising players in it, it's just that I doubt Houston would entertain a deal without wanting Hughes. They don't need to trade Oswalt to us, so they don't need to accept whatever pieces you've dreamed up that will bridge that gap.
This whole scenario, both getting Oswalt and getting him without Hughes, is the stuff of fantasy. Not to mention he would have to replace someone in the rotation and unless you're unloading one of our starters in any deal, it's not as simple as suggesting that, say, Mike Mussina be told he's now the new long man out of the bullpen.
If the Yankees were to say Betances, Montero, IPK and AJ for Oswalt......the Astros would take it.
Not that the Yankees would be crazy enough to offer it though.
Oh wait....I forgot about Hank.
YankeePride1967
04-25-08, 01:19 PM
why would Houston trade him now anyway?
THEBOSS84
04-25-08, 01:22 PM
why would Houston trade him now anyway?
Exactly. As I said previously, trading Oswalt would be the first step in a complete rebuild-mode. Are they ready to do this?
cupcollector99
04-25-08, 01:22 PM
If the Yankees can package some younger guys for a starter that will help now, I'm all for it. this is what player development is for. It would be nice to get him for a bunch of b-prospects but I don't think Houston is that stupid.
StatenIslandYankee
04-25-08, 01:27 PM
I'd LOVE to have Oswalt.
effdamets
04-25-08, 02:44 PM
It would be nice to have Oswalt at a price that everyone else in the major leagues would pay.
Because I can tell you this - as soon as the Astros see that the Yankees are serious about a deal, they are going to become extremely aroused and that makes the blood flow away from the brain, causing them not to think straight and eventually ask for Hughes, Chamberlain, and one of Cano or Cabrera.
Eventually, when the Yankees turn them down, the Astros settle on trading Oswalt for 3 minor league prospects.
I think a great deal would be to send Wang, Action Jackson and Horne to Houston for Oswalt.
It ain't happening that way so I'm not getting any of my hopes up.
THEBOSS84
04-25-08, 02:46 PM
I think a great deal would be to send Wang, Action Jackson and Horne to Houston for Oswalt.
It ain't happening that way so I'm not getting any of my hopes up.
No way dude! I'd rather have Wang alone over Oswalt.
Wang is a proven AL East commodity.
effdamets
04-25-08, 02:47 PM
No way dude! I'd rather have Wang alone over Oswalt.
Wang is a proven AL East commodity.
While Wang is good, I think Oswalt is better....
CallOfTheCrow
04-25-08, 02:49 PM
I bet he ends up in Boston for Jed Lowrie, Manny Delcarmen, & a Fenway Frank.
effdamets
04-25-08, 02:49 PM
I bet he ends up in Boston for Jed Lowrie, Manny Delcarmen, & a Fenway Frank.
Less.
THEBOSS84
04-25-08, 02:50 PM
While Wang is good, I think Oswalt is better....
Oswalt may be slightly better, but Wang has done it in the AL, costs less. Plus even IF Oswalt is better (which is no sure thing), he is definitely not Horne + Ajax type better.
On top of that, I've personally heard both him and Lance Berkman give interviews in which they said they have no interest to ever play in NYC.
His mind might change when the Astros are 10 games out at the break and he realizes he is nearing the end of the prime of his career on a team going nowhere.
effdamets
04-25-08, 02:53 PM
Oswalt may be slightly better, but Wang has done it in the AL, costs less. Plus even IF Oswalt is better (which is no sure thing), he is definitely not Horne + Ajax type better.
I hear what you're saying but a trade ain't happening for anything less than that.
The Astros, no doubt, will want 2 of the 3 kids plus Cano or Cabrera.
My point was that they'll settle for 3 AA prospects from the Phillies.
It would be nice to have Oswalt at a price that everyone else in the major leagues would pay.
Because I can tell you this - as soon as the Astros see that the Yankees are serious about a deal, they are going to become extremely aroused and that makes the blood flow away from the brain, causing them not to think straight and eventually ask for Hughes, Chamberlain, and one of Cano or Cabrera.
Eventually, when the Yankees turn them down, the Astros settle on trading Oswalt for 3 minor league prospects.
I think a great deal would be to send Wang, Action Jackson and Horne to Houston for Oswalt.
It ain't happening that way so I'm not getting any of my hopes up.
I want Oswalt but trading Wang for him wouldnt make any sense. The major reason we need Oswalt IMO is because he is a proven 200 innings guy on top of being one the leagues best pitchers and we only have 2 guys who will even sniff 200 innings this year. If we trade Wang we are right back at square one.
effdamets
04-25-08, 04:09 PM
I want Oswalt but trading Wang for him wouldnt make any sense. The major reason we need Oswalt IMO is because he is a proven 200 innings guy on top of being one the leagues best pitchers and we only have 2 guys who will even sniff 200 innings this year. If we trade Wang we are right back at square one.
How about square one and a half.
The yankees would be gaining a bonafide ace, which they have lacked.
They didn't deal Hughes and Kennedy for Santana, they certainly won't do it for Oswalt. Naturally, I'd love to get him, but I don't see what it would take. Unless they're interested strongly in Austin Jackson and cash...
Prison Mike
04-25-08, 04:22 PM
If Oswalt actually wanted to come here...They may be more interested in Tabata than Jackson. They already have a young CF in Bourn.
President Kennedy
04-25-08, 04:28 PM
It's definitely dropped. Whatever his mechanical armageddon did to his stuff/command (although that's mercifully being corrected now) undoubtedly hurt his value. He went from being THE pitching prospect in all of MLB, a guy with ace potential, to guy many scouts/teams apparently now think is comparable to Kennedy and even then, not always in a favorable light.
I have absolutely no idea what you're basing this on. It's simply not true, but I'd welcome any evidence you'd care to present on behalf of this premise...?
President Kennedy
04-25-08, 04:32 PM
:lol: Your argument was originally this
That wasn't my argument, that was yours. I found it funny too.
Thats a problem the Yankees would gladly like to have.
Yes, it would. Shame we're not more "lucky" like that, but we're not.
How about square one and a half.
The yankees would be gaining a bonafide ace, which they have lacked.
True, there is no doubt that Oswalt is a better pitcher than Wang but if we could have 3 200 inning guys at the top of the rotation instead of 2, our rotation becomes a lot deeper. I think we could grab Oswalt for Kennedy and one of Jackson or Tabata and maybe another mid level guy. Seems like a lot but worth it IMO. Also this cant really be compared to Santana because there wont be any 27 mill a year extension coming to Oswalt.
primetime714
04-25-08, 05:52 PM
The only reason for the Astros to consider this is if they want to rebuild and think they can absolutely fleece someone. Their moves this offseason suggest that they're not in a rebuilding mode. Which means if there is any talk of this its mostly the Astros just testing the water to see if anyone is going to go crazy. For us that would mean a deal that starts with Joba or at the very least Hughes. Kennedy, Melky, + type deals likely aren't even going to be listened to. Oswalt may not be as good as Santana, but he isn't that far off, he is signed to a much more reasonable deal, and the Astros do not have to trade him. If we couldn't get Santana for less than Hughes we're certainly not going to get Oswalt for those type of packages.
All of this is compounded by the fact that it seems fairly well known that Oswalt has zero interest in playing in NY.
If we're looking to trade for a big name pitcher mid-season Sabathia is likely the only semi-realistic option and that's only if the Indians fall out.
JavyVazquezIsSick
04-25-08, 07:31 PM
That wasn't my argument, that was yours. I found it funny too.
You mind showing me where I said we could get Oswalt for players we don't need?
teknetic
04-25-08, 09:15 PM
While Wang is good, I think Oswalt is better....
So what are we improving on exactly? we don't know how Oswalt would react to going from the weakest division in the game to the hardest. We want him to go along with Wang, not swap him.
If we wouldn't budge on Kennedy and Wang for Johan, why would we remotely even consider adding AJax to the mix?
I would do that in a second. The emergence of AJack (as well as Tabata's power issues and hand injuries) has made me willing to include Tabata in a deal for an ace pitcher. Kennedy is a nice pitcher---but his ceiling isnt high enough that we shouldnt be willing to give him up for someone like Oswalt.
Yeah, lets give up on Tabata at the age of 19 and give him up for someone who doesn't want to play for the Yankees.
The PRO
04-25-08, 09:35 PM
Pence is their RF. Bourne is the CF.
The GM of the Astros and Roy Oswalt have both laughed off the report saying it's bogus. There was a local article that while Roy is willing to waive his NTC if need be, the Yankees are not a team that would be on his short list of where'd he be willing to go.
This is a pipe dream.
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Good. I'm glad. Usually National Leaguers don't fare that well in the American League and we'd be giving up too much. The only American Leaguer I can think of who has stunk up the NL is Barry Zito.
YankeesRule51
04-26-08, 03:15 PM
I would get him. I probably trade maybe Mussina and take Farnsworth with him. I want Kyle gone.
I wouldn't give up a lot to get Oswalt. He is 30, has never pitched in the AL , and a small pitcher's frame.
He'd be a great addition. But you have to think that for the Astos to justify trading him, serious talent has to come back,a nd long-term not close to arbitration talent-Hughes, Kennedy or Cano, and add in some minoe league talent with that. Joba is a nonstarter. Still, otherwise without one of those 3 how do they possibly do it?
I would get him. I probably trade maybe Mussina and take Farnsworth with him. I want Kyle gone.
;) Yea, good luck with that offer.
rpbri2886
04-27-08, 11:55 AM
I would get him. I probably trade maybe Mussina and take Farnsworth with him. I want Kyle gone.
Yeah, Houston will jump all over that one.
Figure MAYBE those two if we eat their contracts and throw in Horne, Tabata, and another prospect or two.
I would get him. I probably trade maybe Mussina and take Farnsworth with him. I want Kyle gone.
We're not giving up that much without getting Berkman back as well.
PJMPirate
04-27-08, 04:34 PM
I'd give up Kennedy, Tabata, and a B prospect or something. Oswalt is a beast. Career 134 ERA+.
primetime714
04-27-08, 06:21 PM
I'd give up Kennedy, Tabata, and a B prospect or something. Oswalt is a beast. Career 134 ERA+.
The Astros would laugh at that offer. Kennedy and Tabata have both struggled this year and have seen their value drop.
When you consider Oswalt is signed to a reasonable deal you have to assume that he will cost more in terms of prospects than Santana did. That means nothing short of Joba, Hughes, or Cano as the centerpiece.
Add in the fact that Oswalt has a full no-trade clause and has stated that he doesn't want to play in NY and this isn't even worth discussing.
I'd give up Kennedy, Tabata, and a B prospect or something. Oswalt is a beast. Career 134 ERA+.
I wouldn't. The guy is already 30 and has a small pitcher's frame and has never pitched in the AL. I don't think we'll get the same results in the AL that he put up in the AL.
Not worth it IMO. He will cost too much, and it is unlikely he'll waive his NTC to come to New York. We should just wait to sign FA pitchers after this season, or go after a cheaper, back end of the rotation guy towards the trading deadline.
PJMPirate
04-27-08, 08:13 PM
I wouldn't. The guy is already 30 and has a small pitcher's frame and has never pitched in the AL. I don't think we'll get the same results in the AL that he put up in the AL.
He's got a way better chance of being good in the AL East than Ian Kennedy does.
I'd increase the offer, too. Oswalt is a great pitcher with a reasonable contract.
He's got a way better chance of being good in the AL East than Ian Kennedy does.
I'd increase the offer, too. Oswalt is a great pitcher with a reasonable contract.
Buts it not only Ian Kennedy that you are giving up. Plus with the contract that Johan got don't you think he'll ask from more money or threaten to go to free agency.
The guy is already 30 years old and has a small pitchers frame and has never pitched in the AL. IMO, his best years are behind him.
If I'm going to give big money to a pitcher, I wait until CC becomes a free agency. He is younger, a lefty, and has a track record in the AL.
Buts it not only Ian Kennedy that you are giving up. Plus with the contract that Johan got don't you think he'll ask from more money or threaten to go to free agency.
The guy is already 30 years old and has a small pitchers frame and has never pitched in the AL. IMO, his best years are behind him.
If I'm going to give big money to a pitcher, I wait until CC becomes a free agency. He is younger, a lefty, and has a track record in the AL.
He's signed through 2011 with a club option for 2012.
This is not a deal that will happen, but his contract terms are not the reason.
He's signed through 2011 with a club option for 2012.
This is not a deal that will happen, but his contract terms are not the reason.
I'm not giving up anything great for a guy who is gonna be 31 in July. You don't overpay of guys whose best years are behind them.
headshoes
04-28-08, 01:34 PM
He does not want to come to NY.. case closed...
There is some many obstacles... its crazy.. starting the with NTC..
CallOfTheCrow
04-28-08, 01:40 PM
He does not want to come to NY.. case closed...
There is some many obstacles... its crazy.. starting the with NTC..
Damon said he would never play in NY too so in terms of THAT aspect, no it's not "case closed."
THEBOSS84
04-28-08, 01:43 PM
Again, the reason this trade will never happen:
The Astros would only trade Oswalt if they commit to rebuilding. They won't trade Oswalt without trading the other large contracts on their roster. I don't think it's likely at all.
Clemens831
04-28-08, 01:51 PM
FYI: Jenny is FROM the block, not on it.
JavyVazquezIsSick
04-28-08, 02:03 PM
FYI: Jenny is FROM the block, not on it.
I'm sure Jenny was on the block at some point.
THEBOSS84
04-28-08, 02:07 PM
I'm sure Jenny was on the block at some point.
I'm sure she's been around it quite a few times as well...
Another NL pitcher who will probably blow up in the AL....
Another NL pitcher who will probably blow up in the AL....
I think with Oswalts stuff he could get hitters out in either league.
Yankees13
04-29-08, 09:02 PM
Would Kennedy/Hughes/B prospect be enough? I know... off with my head for suggesting that, but I think Oswalt/Wang/Pettitte/Joba would be pretty sick. I doubt he comes here, not a NYC guy, and don't know why the Astros would look to move him unless they're blown away.
JeterRodriguezSheff
04-30-08, 12:24 PM
this is something i would look into, if the offer is right. Oswalt, Wang, Pettite and Chamberlain is not a bad top 4 to go to war with at all.
THEBOSS84
04-30-08, 12:29 PM
I think with Oswalts stuff he could get hitters out in either league.
Yeah that's what I thought about Javy Vaszquez too
just-blaze
04-30-08, 02:33 PM
Yeah that's what I thought about Javy Vaszquez too
He's doing pretty well for the White Sox.
THEBOSS84
04-30-08, 02:35 PM
He's doing pretty well for the White Sox.
There is quite a difference between pitching for the Chisox and pitching for the Yanks. Javy proves it I guess.
CallOfTheCrow
04-30-08, 02:37 PM
I think we gave up too quickly on Vasquez, personally. Not saying he would definitely put up the numbers he is with Chicago though.
yankswn23
04-30-08, 02:43 PM
Just waiting for someone to say they would offer hughes for him.. lol
Also isn't he friends with Andy.. from what i heard. Maybe he can convince him to come here.
Id trade kennedy and Farns and a player like Gonzales or Duncan.
CallOfTheCrow
04-30-08, 02:44 PM
Just waiting for someone to say they would offer hughes for him.. lol
Also isn't he friends with Andy.. from what i heard. Maybe he can convince him to come here.
Id trade kennedy and Farns and a player like Gonzales or Duncan.
If we could get Oswalt for that package, I'd do back flips. Since that won't get the deal done, I don't have to worry about breaking any bones.
Yankeefan3783
04-30-08, 08:27 PM
Oswalt would be an excellent pick up should he become available. Also, how about Bronson Arroyo? I know he hasn't been to good so far this season (I've only seen his stats), but should the Reds decide to dump him this summer, the Yankees can probably get him without giving up much. Plus he has shown he can pitch in the AL East, and in big games.
JavyVazquezIsSick
04-30-08, 08:29 PM
Who moved this to ITL?
jughead
04-30-08, 08:30 PM
Another NL pitcher who will probably blow up in the AL....Like Beckett, right?
But you're right, all the AL pitchers to go to the NL and dominate. Just look at Zito... oh, wait.
A good pitcher is a good pitcher in either league.
With Hughes out until July maybe longer I wonder if this makes this trade more of a reality.
Yankeefan3783
05-01-08, 08:50 PM
With Hughes out until July maybe longer I wonder if this makes this trade more of a reality.
I think it makes a trade for a pitcher more likely, and sooner than later. I'd like for the Yankees to get Oswalt, but I'd settle for Arroyo. Not sure who else may be available. Maybe A.J. Burnett down the road?
johnmvp
07-31-08, 12:38 PM
Oswalt won't ever leave Houston. Wade's dumbass would ask for half the Yankees lineup. Actually we'd probably trade for some more vets near retirement. Astros management is awful.
justtxyank
07-31-08, 12:40 PM
oswald won't ever leave Houston. Wade's dumbass would ask for half the Yankees lineup. Actually we'd probably trade for some more vets near retirement. Astros management is awful.
Why would you revive this thread?
Obviously the Astros are bulking up for a stretch run with LaTroy Hawkins. They arent trading Roy.
JeterRodriguezSheff
07-31-08, 12:43 PM
Damn it, you got me excited.
webassign
07-31-08, 12:45 PM
wtf thread bump?
MTYankee23
07-31-08, 12:46 PM
Damn it, you got me excited.
Seriously, this, and the Breaking News that's still attached to the Pudge/Farnsy deal is throwing me off.
I can see a theoretical Ed Wade negotiation for Oswalt going like this:
We want Hughes, Cano, and Jackson.
No.
Okay, how about Abreu, Betemit, and Pavano?
johnmvp
07-31-08, 12:49 PM
Obviously the Astros are bulking up for a stretch run with LaTroy Hawkins. They arent trading Roy.
You aren't seeing it from a Houston point of view. We pick up a guy that you are about to send out but in Houston's eyes we are getting a guy that we would have never gotten if he was avaible on the market. Any team in baseball is paying more money than the Astros to get Hawkins, no matter how average he's been this season. In return we give you a kid who's unproven, and would have been wasted away in our minors like every other player who rots in the Astros farm system. I don't see this trade helping you any either.. Is this guy ever going to start over Cano, Jeter, A-Rod? Hell no. Hawkins could make an impact on an AWFUL Astros pitching staff. If he doesn't, well, he's just like any other pitcher on our staff. We have the bigger upside if any at all.
johnmvp
07-31-08, 12:51 PM
Seriously, this, and the Breaking News that's still attached to the Pudge/Farnsy deal is throwing me off.
I can see a theoretical Ed Wade negotiation for Oswalt going like this:
We want Hughes, Cano, and Jackson.
No.
Okay, how about Abreu, Betemit, and Pavano?
That's my point. Wade's dumb ass would ask for half the team or a few washed up bums who will retire in a year. Astros management is awful.. this team will be the Royals in no time.. if not worse. They make zero moves to improve this team every year.
StatenIslandYankee
07-31-08, 12:58 PM
Damn it, you got me excited.Seriously
YankeePride1967
07-31-08, 12:59 PM
That's my point. Wade's dumb ass would ask for half the team or a few washed up bums who will retire in a year. Astros management is awful.. this team will be the Royals in no time.. if not worse. They make zero moves to improve this team every year.
As this issue has been dead for months, Wade's ass is safe.
dpinzow
07-31-08, 01:04 PM
I actually think a few other Astros are now willing to pull a Shawn Chacon on Ed Wade...
Randy Wolf? Latroy Hawkins? They are turning into a joke, and don't be surprised to see Berkman, El Caballo, etc. in other uniforms in the not too distant future...
johnmvp
07-31-08, 01:04 PM
As this issue has been dead for months, Wade's ass is safe.
if you were an astros fan you wouldn't feel that way. There is only so much ................ we will put up with. What little fan base we have wade is making everybody leave
johnmvp
07-31-08, 01:06 PM
I actually think a few other Astros are now willing to pull a Shawn Chacon on Ed Wade...
Randy Wolf? Latroy Hawkins? They are turning into a joke, and don't be surprised to see Berkman, El Caballo, etc. in other uniforms in the not too distant future...
We've been a joke for years. I wouldn't expect Berkman to be gone though. I doubt he's any happier than I am though.
Hey DooD
10-15-08, 01:04 PM
oswalt would be nice. get a nice veteran pitcher thats not too old to last a few years. maybe we can get rid of melky, shelley, igawa.. some other useless young talent that other teams may find intriguing.
nyctalopia
10-15-08, 01:17 PM
oswalt would be nice. get a nice veteran pitcher thats not too old to last a few years. maybe we can get rid of melky, shelley, igawa.. some other useless young talent that other teams may find intriguing.
wtf thread bump?
nnysiny
10-15-08, 01:23 PM
wtf thread bump?
and a wtf proposal to boot
Sabathia, Burnett, Oswalt, Wang, Chamberlain, Mussina, Hughes sounds like a lineup that won't have to depend on Rasner and Ponson as insurance.
Sabathia and Burnett is more likely to happen.
Double-J
10-15-08, 03:58 PM
oswalt would be nice. get a nice veteran pitcher thats not too old to last a few years. maybe we can get rid of melky, shelley, igawa.. some other useless young talent that other teams may find intriguing.
Do you really think other teams would take our garbage for one of the top pitchers in the NL?
sweet_lou_14
10-15-08, 08:21 PM
Do you really think other teams would take our garbage for one of the top pitchers in the NL?
Garbage = intriguing
Yankees47
10-15-08, 08:26 PM
Do you really think other teams would take our garbage for one of the top pitchers in the NL?
Good point, Igawa is untradeable may as well settle with Kei and send him back to Japan and rule that as a mistake...For Oswalt who I like more than Peavy in big spots pesonally I would offer a package surrounding Robbie Cano
Maybe Cano, Edwar Rameriz and Melky Cabrerra for Oswalt?? I think Houston would make that trade and I think we should as well
bomber999
10-15-08, 09:08 PM
oswalt would be nice. get a nice veteran pitcher thats not too old to last a few years. maybe we can get rid of melky, shelley, igawa.. some other useless young talent that other teams may find intriguing.
Oswalt is one of the best pitchers in the league. I would love for all of our trades to be giving up mediocre or awful players in return for superstars. The Astros don't have stuff that strong to smoke.
THEBOSS84
12-16-08, 09:52 AM
• Richard Justice can envision Oswalt asking for a trade. Executives with other teams privately speculate, by the way, that at some point within the next calendar year, Oswalt will be made available by the Astros.
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3772704&name=olney_buster
nnysiny
12-16-08, 10:04 AM
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3772704&name=olney_buster
a little too late for the Yankees. he would have to be available right now
This Clown will probably want 100 million dollar too. Forget him.
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