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Last year's teams:
Bitches Brew - PAID
Ruthianblast - PAID
Kings of Arbitration - PAID
New York Knights - PAID
Striking Back - PAID
Sycamore Style - PAID
The A-Team v.2007 - PAID
The Corporation
The Russell Peters Experiment - PAID
Are you returning? We had 9 teams last year -- we can add up to 3 more.
EXPANSION TEAMS:
THEBOSS84 - PAID
ChrisRo - PAID
rodg12 - PAID
League fee: $25, which covers the Sportsline site, the FantasyAuctioneer.com site and a donation to NYYFans.com
Returning teams respond here with team name; Interested new owners respond here, too...
(Returning teams in GREEN)
FULL LEAGUE!
THEBOSS84
01-15-08, 09:31 AM
Can you please give some info on the league? How many players, what is salary cap, both AL and NL?
Thanks
Unfortunately, I won't be returning to this league. Either someone can take over my team or perhaps it can be dissolved. I just don't have the time to make sure my squad is competitive week in and week out.
Can you please give some info on the league? How many players, what is salary cap, both AL and NL?
Thanks
23 players, $260 cap.
No bench
Both AL & NL.
Keeper League. Must keep between 7 and 12 players a year.
Players kept have their salary increased by $4 for each year they are kept. So a $1 player signed to a 3-year (maximum) length deal is $13 a year (not $5/$9/$13).
After the auction, FA players are worth $10.
Players who are released after the auction are subject to a 3-day waiver period. Players claimed off waivers are picked up at their current contract if the salary is $10 or more, or have their salary bumped up to $10.
Players who clear waivers are Free Agents, and their salary is $10, no matter what they were taken for at the auction. So a player taken for $30 who is released and clears waivers, becomes a $10 when claimed as a FA. Same thing for a $1 player who clears waivers.
THEBOSS84
01-15-08, 09:50 AM
Interesting. Are there any top players that would be availble for a new team like myself in the auction?
Interesting. Are there any top players that would be availble for a new team like myself in the auction?
Sure...just depends who gets kept. :D
A top player like Pujols could be available if his owner doesn't want to sign him to an extention.
Snatch Catch
01-15-08, 09:58 AM
What the hell, I'm back in. I've been building my team's foundation for a couple of years now, and just started to reap rewards last season before it fell apart.
When would keepers be due?
What the hell, I'm back in. I've been building my team's foundation for a couple of years now, and just started to reap rewards last season before it fell apart.
When would keepers be due?
Season Starts March 25th (Oak-Bos in Japan).
Auction would have to be before then, so keepers due in Early March.
THEBOSS84
01-15-08, 10:02 AM
Another question - I've done many auctions before, how can one be done on the internet? Through a chat room?
Another question - I've done many auctions before, how can one be done on the internet? Through a chat room?
FantasyAuctioneer.com is the site we use. It's great. You can pre-load keepers, with salaries, into people's rosters. When the auction starts, people throw out a name, and you can bid, in minimum of $1 increments. A countdown clock shows how much time is left to bid (which re-sets on each bid -- so if I bid $18, and the clock winds down to 2 seconds...you can bid $19 and the clock resets) until it hits zero, and you win the player. It's automatically added to your roster, with the value subtracted from your budget, and the next player gets thrown out.
You can always look at other people's rosters and see who they have, and how much they have left.
At the end of the auction, the commissioner (me) then has to load the rosters into Sportsline, which usually takes about an hour.
THEBOSS84
01-15-08, 10:12 AM
Wow what an awesome website.
I am interested if there is a spot, I am just curious to know how competitive the team I can field will be.
Wow what an awesome website.
I am interested if there is a spot, I am just curious to know how competitive the team I can field will be.
You can take over my team if you'd like. I've got some older crappy players but in terms of long-term keepers I've also got Alex Gordon, Curtis Granderson, Corey Hart, Nick Markakis, Roy Halladay, Ian Snell, Chien-Ming Wang, Hunter Pence, Jeff Clement and Luke Hochevar.
Also, Chris Carpenter and Rich Harden are sitting on my DL.
You can take over my team if you'd like. I've got some older crappy players but in terms of long-term keepers I've also got Alex Gordon, Curtis Granderson, Corey Hart, Nick Markakis, Roy Halladay, Ian Snell, Chien-Ming Wang, Hunter Pence, Jeff Clement and Luke Hochevar.
Also, Chris Carpenter and Rich Harden are sitting on my DL.
I wouldn't want to promise that though...if we have one person leaving and more than one interested, I would expand the league to up to 12 teams.
We would then run a quick expansion draft where new teams could pick non-keepers off the rosters of the existing teams, including non-returnees.
So if I keep 12 players, then 11 of my guys are available in the expansion draft. All 23 players from a non-returning team would be available.
I wouldn't want to promise that though...if we have one person leaving and more than one interested, I would expand the league to up to 12 teams.
We would then run a quick expansion draft where new teams could pick non-keepers off the rosters of the existing teams, including non-returnees.
So if I keep 12 players, then 11 of my guys are available in the expansion draft. All 23 players from a non-returning team would be available.
Sounds fine, just putting it out there. It would probably be better for all involved if my team did get dispersed, it was horrendous last season.
Sounds fine, just putting it out there. It would probably be better for all involved if my team did get dispersed, it was horrendous last season.
Well, that would be good for the rest of the league, if a new owner took over a horrendous team. :lol:
yanksphan
01-15-08, 11:05 AM
Bitches Brew will return for a three-peat.
Excellent -- already four teams back. :D
THEBOSS84
01-15-08, 12:20 PM
Do players have to be on the 25 man roster in order be picked up? In other words could I pick up a guy like Longoria even if he starts the year in the minors?
Do players have to be on the 25 man roster in order be picked up? In other words could I pick up a guy like Longoria even if he starts the year in the minors?
Ahhh the Minor Leagues.
Teams are allowed to keep up to 4 mL players on their roster.
Expansion teams do not get to select mL keepers, but will be able to participate in the mL draft.
Following the official Opening Day (not an overseas Opening Day, such as this year) there will be a mL draft, held in this forum. Teams pick in order, until their roster is filled. Any player currently in the minors can be chosen and put in the mL roster. The default value for mL players is $5
You can select a player in the auction who will start in the minors. However, he will be on a major league contract, subject to all major league rules -- that is, if you keep him, you must add $4 to his contract each year, and he can only be kept for a maximum of 3 years.
Players on a mL contract can be kept unlimited times, with no increase in their base $5 salary, until they reach the majors.
Players may only be stashed in our mL rosters if they meet the following criteria: (1) They have rookie status (less than 130 AB or 50 IP) and (2) They are currently in the mL in real life.
A player recalled to the majors in real life does not have to be promoted here -- however, if he is promoted here, he cannot be demoted unless he is demoted in real life too, and still has less than 130 AB or 50 IP.
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So let's say there's a player, Danny Bosavage.
Danny is on your mL roster, and is promoted by the Yankees as an injury replacement.
You promote him to your active ML roster. He pitches 63 innings and is sent back down. You can not demote him because he exceeded 50 IP.
or
You promote him to your active ML roster. He pitches 49 innings and is sent back down. You can demote him because he has not exceeded 50 IP.
or
You do not promote him, and he exceeds 50 IP. You can keep him on your mL roster, but if you promote him, cannot demote him again. If you leave him in the mL all season, the next year he has to be kept with a ML keeper if you want him.
...and don't look for Danny Bosavage. The name is a combination of the names of two kids I coach in Little League... :D
I'll give it another year :)
yanksphan
01-16-08, 05:42 AM
With regard to fielding a competitive team - here's the players I'm forced to send back to the auction:
Martin, Russell C LA
Dye, Jermaine RF CHW
Hawpe, Brad RF COL
Jones, Andruw CF LA
Lackey, John SP ANA
Peavy, Jake SP SD
Ray, Chris RP BAL
So there will definitely be some good players in the pool. With money wrapped up in long term deals, I'm going to be letting a few other prizes back into the pool as well.
Snatch Catch
01-16-08, 07:56 AM
Utley, Verlander, Bay, and Bonderman AT LEAST will be given back off my roster.
THEBOSS84
01-16-08, 08:42 AM
With regard to fielding a competitive team - here's the players I'm forced to send back to the auction:
Martin, Russell C LA
Dye, Jermaine RF CHW
Hawpe, Brad RF COL
Jones, Andruw CF LA
Lackey, John SP ANA
Peavy, Jake SP SD
Ray, Chris RP BAL
So there will definitely be some good players in the pool. With money wrapped up in long term deals, I'm going to be letting a few other prizes back into the pool as well.
Nice
Can you give me a few examples of players you are definitely keeping (only name 2-3) and their dollar value for 2008?
THEBOSS84
01-16-08, 08:48 AM
Snatch, you too please
Snatch Catch
01-16-08, 09:09 AM
Well, the majority of the players I'm keeping were brought up through my minor league system, and I decided to sign them to multi-year deals when I had to make decisions on them. Because of this, the dollar values of their contracts are very low (hence why I'm keeping them).
The players I already have under contract for next year are:
Prince Fielder: $13
Ryan Zimmerman: $13
Lance Berkman: $21
Grady Sizemore: $22
Chris Young (SD): $10
Minor leaguers I have to make decisions on (drop, pick up option, sign to multi-year deal) are:
Joba: $5
Hughes: $5
Delmon Young: $5
I am forced to drop Utley ($33), Bay ($20), and Verlander ($5).
Snatch Catch
01-16-08, 09:13 AM
It says I'm not returning on Sportsline...
THEBOSS84
01-16-08, 09:14 AM
Obviously I thought I was clear on the rules, but I'm not - Why are you being forced to drop Verlander? You couldn't have kept him for 3 years since he hasn't been in the league that long. Also, how do you own him at $5 - I thought each year if a player is kept, you must pay an additional $4?
BTW BIG_E if there is a spot for me, I want in. All this fantasy talk is getting me excited.
Snatch Catch
01-16-08, 09:24 AM
Obviously I thought I was clear on the rules, but I'm not - Why are you being forced to drop Verlander? You couldn't have kept him for 3 years since he hasn't been in the league that long. Also, how do you own him at $5 - I thought each year if a player is kept, you must pay an additional $4?
BTW BIG_E if there is a spot for me, I want in. All this fantasy talk is getting me excited.
I had Verlander as a minor leaguer in 2005.
He got called up in 2006, and I promoted him. As a minor leaguer, his salary is $5.
At the end of 2006 (beginning of 2007 season), I had to make a decision:
1) Drop him
2) Pick up his option year (1 year at his current salary, but I was unable to sign him further after the option year)
3) Sign him to a multi-year deal:
2 yrs @ $13 per
3 yrs @ $17 per
4 yrs @ $21 per
I chose to simply pick up his option year for $5 for 2007. Now that 2007 is over, I have to release him back into the FA market.
THEBOSS84
01-16-08, 09:32 AM
Very interesting. Thanks
I assume all trade talks go through emails correct?
It says I'm not returning on Sportsline...
Sorry...thought I fixed that. Striking Back is not returning...I put it on yours by mistake and thought I fixed yours...
OK..definitely fixed now.
Very interesting. Thanks
I assume all trade talks go through emails correct?
The league is at Sportsline (aka commissioner.com). You can talk with PM there, or PM here, or of course through e-mails, IM, etc. There's an "on the block" feature where you can list players you are interested in trading...
THEBOSS84
01-16-08, 09:49 AM
Thanks for the info guys. BIG E - I am interested in joining if you want me.
Thanks for the info guys. BIG E - I am interested in joining if you want me.
We will definitely have room. :D
yanksphan
01-16-08, 04:01 PM
I'll give you one definite keeper - Beckett. Picked him up for $1 in last season's auction!
Snatch Catch
01-16-08, 04:03 PM
The auction last year was a bit uneven because of there only being 9 teams. We definitely need to try to get up to the 12 team level this year.
THEBOSS84
01-17-08, 03:08 PM
Am I officially a league member?
Am I officially a league member?
Yes. :D
THEBOSS84
01-17-08, 03:13 PM
Sweet. Can the auction be like, um, tomorrow?
Sweet. Can the auction be like, um, tomorrow?
:lol:
sorry....still have to hear from a couple of teams, then try to get a few more expansion teams. :D
THEBOSS84
01-17-08, 03:43 PM
So guys like BJ Upton and Gallardo etc. are owned for only $5?
ruthianblast
01-17-08, 03:47 PM
So guys like BJ Upton and Gallardo etc. are owned for only $5?
Gallardo :D
Yes, he is owned for $5
THEBOSS84
01-17-08, 03:49 PM
That's awesome for you. That's on disadvantage that I will have - some of you will have a lot of production coming from a small portion of your payroll (not complaining)
So guys like BJ Upton and Gallardo etc. are owned for only $5?
Upton was on a $9, one year deal. He must be returned to the auction pool this year.
Contracts will be explained in the constitution, which I am cleaning up and re-posting into one of the stickied threads.
THEBOSS84
01-17-08, 03:58 PM
Upton was on a $9, one year deal. He must be returned to the auction pool this year.
Contracts will be explained in the constitution, which I am cleaning up and re-posting into one of the stickied threads.
Ok, thanks - I will make sure to read carefully.
Ok, thanks - I will make sure to read carefully.
You can find it here:
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showpost.php?p=4848494&postcount=106
THEBOSS84
01-18-08, 08:54 AM
I'm psyched! correct me if I'm wrong, but I should prefer an expansion draft to be held, right?
I'm psyched! correct me if I'm wrong, but I should prefer an expansion draft to be held, right?
Yeah, you'd get more choices that way.
Keep in mind though that anyone who was on an 'options' contract was ineligible for their current owner to keep, so they are ineligible for you to take as an expansion pick, too...
In my own case, I had Miguel Tejada ($27), Rafael Furcal ($15) and Ichiro Suzuki ($27) on options deals for 2007 (because I didn't want to pay $35 for Tejada and Suzuki, and $23 for Furcal) so you would not be able to pick them in the expansion draft, if necessary.
I'll be back if we can get as many people as last year.
I'll be back if we can get as many people as last year.
Excellent!
There's just one team I haven't heard from, and we'll have the same 8 as last year. I am going to see if we can get up to 10 or 12. :D
Snatch Catch
01-22-08, 03:07 PM
12 would be amazing. That's what we need. Advertise to the main board if we can.
THEBOSS84
01-22-08, 03:08 PM
Don't forget to count me in as a definite member
Don't forget to count me in as a definite member
I am. :D
6 old members said yes
1 old member MIA
1 old member not returning
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8 members last year
6 returning members + THEBOSS84 = 7...so one more and we have as many as last year. :D
...as soon as we get at least 8 I will start collecting money...
THEBOSS84
01-22-08, 03:22 PM
We definitely need to get to at least 10 teams. From experience, the teams in 8 team leagues always end up being stacked.
THEBOSS84
01-22-08, 03:54 PM
In a different keeper league, I have a final keeper spot and I have to choose between Lincecum and Gallardo - who would you guys take?
ruthianblast
01-22-08, 06:39 PM
In a different keeper league, I have a final keeper spot and I have to choose between Lincecum and Gallardo - who would you guys take?
Gallardo for the wins. Lincecum will probably have comparable peripherals; but won't get the wins.
Sorry for the flip-flop guys but I'm starting to think that perhaps I would like to come back for one more season. Much of my disinterest last season was rooted in the fact that there seemed to be so much talent on waivers that little true strategy was needed.
That being said, if we can get 10-12 folks to join up, you can count me back in.
Edit: Shoot, I hope I didn't foul anything up
Sorry for the flip-flop guys but I'm starting to think that perhaps I would like to come back for one more season. Much of my disinterest last season was rooted in the fact that there seemed to be so much talent on waivers that little true strategy was needed.
That being said, if we can get 10-12 folks to join up, you can count me back in.
Edit: Shoot, I hope I didn't foul anything up
Nope, you messed up nothing. You would give us 9 teams, with just "The Corporation" pending. If he comes back that would be 10. We have room for 12. :D
ruthianblast
01-24-08, 03:37 PM
Sorry for the flip-flop guys but I'm starting to think that perhaps I would like to come back for one more season. Much of my disinterest last season was rooted in the fact that there seemed to be so much talent on waivers that little true strategy was needed.
That being said, if we can get 10-12 folks to join up, you can count me back in.
Edit: Shoot, I hope I didn't foul anything up
Is Flip-Flopping better than Flim-Flamming?
Is Flip-Flopping better than Flim-Flamming?
Depends on what music is playing
ChrisRo
01-25-08, 11:24 AM
I'd like to join too. If you'll have me, of course :D
I'd like to join too. If you'll have me, of course :D
Definitely. :)
Unlike the other league (which I'm in, too) we are not full to capacity here. :D
This league is looking good right now.
We have 7 'definites' from last year, plus two new teams for 9.
PLUS, Striking Back said he'd return if we got up to 10-12...well he'd be #10, so I hope that counts.
If "The Corporation" comes back, that's 11, and we have room for one more to get to 12.
Very cool. :D
EDIT: Mark (Striking Back) confirmed he's back, too. So we're up to 10 definites. :D
Also, this means we'll have to have an expansion draft prior to the auction.
I'm very interested in joining. I've been reading the thread...could you explain to me how the expansion draft would work? Would the expansion teams have to pick up the necessary 7 keepers? Would it be regular snake-draft style to pick who we get? Also, any idea when the draft will be held? Is it a live draft?
I'm very interested in joining. I've been reading the thread...could you explain to me how the expansion draft would work? Would the expansion teams have to pick up the necessary 7 keepers? Would it be regular snake-draft style to pick who we get? Also, any idea when the draft will be held? Is it a live draft?
Expansion teams would have to pick 7 guys who are keeper eligible; that means they were not on an option contract last year, AND they were on an existing team's roster.
It would be held in this forum, in a serpentine manner. Probably two weeks before the auction date.
THEBOSS84
01-25-08, 02:49 PM
In addition to rodg's questions - how would the players drafted in the expansion draft work agaisnt our salary cap??
In addition to rodg's questions - how would the players drafted in the expansion draft work agaisnt our salary cap??
Their value would be deducted from your $260 cap.
So if you keep 7 players at an average of $9 per player, you'd have $197 for the other 16 players in the auction.
THEBOSS84
01-25-08, 02:55 PM
Their value would be deducted from your $260 cap.
So if you keep 7 players at an average of $9 per player, you'd have $197 for the other 16 players in the auction.
Sorry for annoying the hell out of you, but how do you determine the value of each player? The $ value that they were on a teams roster for last year? If that's the case, and these players are not being kept, wouldn't that mean that these players are not being kept because their price got too high for it to make sense for the team to keep him?
Just to clarify, when we choose our keepers in the expansion draft, would it be under the same rules as the other keepers. I.E. we could keep that player for the current dollar value for one year or sign him to an extension? If so, would we have to make this decision at the time of the pick? I'd also assume that if a player signed to an extension is not kept (if this is possible), we'd have to assume that extension?
Sorry for annoying the hell out of you, but how do you determine the value of each player? The $ value that they were on a teams roster for last year? If that's the case, and these players are not being kept, wouldn't that mean that these players are not being kept because their price got too high for it to make sense for the team to keep him?
Yes, the value is their salary last year, plus $4 to keep them this year.
There's lots of reasons not to keep someone from last year. Yes, it could be that the price would be too high. It could be that a team wants balance -- keeping say 6 pitchers and 6 hitters (returning teams can keep up to 12 players). Or they want flexibility in the auction and don't want to keep 12 players because they think they can get similar players cheaper.
Or for example, maybe someone chased saves to try to win the league -- they could have 5 closers. Or they punted saves to try to get wins and have 9 SP. Or they have 3 guys who qualify at 1B and they don't want to burn their "U" spot before the auction.
With 8 -- maybe 9 -- teams returning, there should be at least one or two players from each team that their current owners don't want, who you would find a good deal.
I have 3 good closers. Do I keep them all? I dunno. One might be available.
And if the Corporation doesn't come back, that opens up his whole roster too.
THEBOSS84
01-25-08, 03:28 PM
Ok I gotcha Big E - makes sense now. The best part is that I have first pick. If this draft will be two weeks before the auction, when will the keeper deadline for returning teams be? I would like to study the available players for a few days prior.
You can sign me up. I'll do it. This keeper draft will be interesting and will probably put us a little disadvantage, but it's not our whole team and we'll have the opportunity to make up for it at the actual auction and through shrewd FA signings.
Ok I gotcha Big E - makes sense now. The best part is that I have first pick. If this draft will be two weeks before the auction, when will the keeper deadline for returning teams be? I would like to study the available players for a few days prior.
I will give you adequate time don't worry :)
You can sign me up. I'll do it. This keeper draft will be interesting and will probably put us a little disadvantage, but it's not our whole team and we'll have the opportunity to make up for it at the actual auction and through shrewd FA signings.
Alright! Gotcha on the list. :D
For the new teams: I will need your e-mail addresses so I can (eventually) add you to the league
Apparently I can't PM you my email address....it is jrodgers35@gmail.com.
THEBOSS84
01-26-08, 12:29 PM
My email address is screamore@aol.com
All three 'new guys' should have gotten invitations to join the league.
If you have team names, I can enter them too.
I have sent out an invoice for the league fees.
THEBOSS84
01-27-08, 11:06 AM
I paid and I signed into the site. Can you make my team name all caps like my user name here?
I paid and I signed into the site. Can you make my team name all caps like my user name here?
You got it! :D
I also have paid and signed on it activate my team. Could you make my team name Pinch Hitters?
I also have paid and signed on it activate my team. Could you make my team name Pinch Hitters?
Done :)
ChrisRo
01-28-08, 05:52 AM
Paid, signed in & activated.
Sheesh, Auction League gets no respect, even my posts are ending up in the wrong forums
Sheesh, Auction League gets no respect, even my posts are ending up in the wrong forums
:lol: Yeah, that really confused me :lol:
THEBOSS84
01-28-08, 11:31 AM
:lol: Yeah, that really confused me :lol:
Big E - let's say the corporation doesn't return and he has Howard on his team at $17 per. If I were to draft him in the expansion draft, would I get the option of signing him to a multi year deal? Is there any way I can get him at $17 for 2008?
Big E - let's say the corporation doesn't return and he has Howard on his team at $17 per. If I were to draft him in the expansion draft, would I get the option of signing him to a multi year deal? Is there any way I can get him at $17 for 2008?
Howard was a minor league keeper that was signed to a 3-year extention. he is entering the final year of that extention. Therefore, he could be taken in the expansion draft, but could not be signed to another extention.
Anyone on a roster listed as:
1 Year -- can be taken in the expansion draft and signed to a long-term deal after the season
2 Years, 3 years, 4 years -- can be taken in the expansion draft, but not signed to another long term deal. Also, subtract one year since that was last year's contract. (So 2 years gets changed to 1, 3 years to 2, etc).
1 Year* -- can not be taken in the expansion draft, or kept by their old owner. These are players who were either given their option contract, OR were in the last year of a multi-year deal.
THEBOSS84
01-28-08, 11:54 AM
Thanks - How can I figure out which players will not be allowed to be kept. For instance Ryan Braun just says 1 year without a *.
Thanks - How can I figure out which players will not be allowed to be kept. For instance Ryan Braun just says 1 year without a *.
Without an asterisk, he can be either: Renewed for one year at his current salary, or signed to a long-term deal (2-3-4 years)
Since Braun is listed at 1 year, $10 he can be:
Renewed: 1 year, $10. (2008) Cannot be kept beyond 2008.
2 year deal: 2 years, $18 per year (2008 and 2009) (2 years/$36)
3 year deal: 3 years, $22 per year (2008, 2009, 2010) (3 years/$66)
4 year deal: 4 years, $26 per year (2008, 2009, 2010, 2011) (4 years/$104)
THEBOSS84
01-28-08, 12:22 PM
Ok, I'm totally clear thanks. I can't wait to begin.
THEBOSS84
01-28-08, 12:43 PM
Howard was a minor league keeper that was signed to a 3-year extention. he is entering the final year of that extention. Therefore, he could be taken in the expansion draft, but could not be signed to another extention.
I have a feeling that with the first pick in the draft, THEBOSS84 will select Ryan Howard @ $17 with 1 yr remaining on his contract (assuming the corporation doesn't return)
I have a feeling that with the first pick in the draft, THEBOSS84 will select Ryan Howard @ $17 with 1 yr remaining on his contract (assuming the corporation doesn't return)
yeah, i got that feeling too :lol:
As soon as I get two more people to pay, I will renew the league :D
chanman7483
01-31-08, 12:33 AM
As soon as I get two more people to pay, I will renew the league :D
Sent you a PM man. I'm in. Can you either PM me or send me the info on where to deliver the payment to(assuming it's paypal again)
chanman7483
01-31-08, 12:38 AM
I'm going to have some growing pains. I'm looking at my team now - many of them are for one year. But some of an asterisk next to the one year. My memory is fuzzy so can someone help me - does that mean I can't re-sign them?
I'm going to have some growing pains. I'm looking at my team now - many of them are for one year. But some of an asterisk next to the one year. My memory is fuzzy so can someone help me - does that mean I can't re-sign them?
Asterisk means unkeepable.
Welcome back! :D
I have a feeling that with the first pick in the draft, THEBOSS84 will select Ryan Howard @ $17 with 1 yr remaining on his contract (assuming the corporation doesn't return)
Bad news for THEBOSS84, but good news that The Corporation is coming back! :D
Snatch Catch
01-31-08, 12:10 PM
I'm wondering if we shouldn't be putting a floor on the amount of players the expansion teams have to draft...that doesn't seem inherantly fair. They should be able to draft as many guys as they want up to the 12 limit, but I don't think they should be forced to pick 7 guys minimum. Just a thought.
Then, they would simply have to fill the slots in the auction. It would give them a chance to get some potential bargains for $1, instead of forcing them to live with the guys that we passed on.
I'm wondering if we shouldn't be putting a floor on the amount of players the expansion teams have to draft...that doesn't seem inherantly fair. They should be able to draft as many guys as they want up to the 12 limit, but I don't think they should be forced to pick 7 guys minimum. Just a thought.
Then, they would simply have to fill the slots in the auction. It would give them a chance to get some potential bargains for $1, instead of forcing them to live with the guys that we passed on.
The bad part about being an expansion team, like in real life, is you get the leftovers. :)
If they decide to pick zero (in your scenario) they would have the full $260 to bid on players at the auction, while some of us would be starting with less than half of that. I think last year one owner started with less than $100 in the auction. That would put the new teams at a huge advantage, with lots of money to buy guys like A-Rod or Santana who probably don't get kept. The point of them getting keepers is to level the playing field a bit heading into the auction.
ruthianblast
01-31-08, 12:52 PM
The bad part about being an expansion team, like in real life, is you get the leftovers. :)
If they decide to pick zero (in your scenario) they would have the full $260 to bid on players at the auction, while some of us would be starting with less than half of that. I think last year one owner started with less than $100 in the auction. That would put the new teams at a huge advantage, with lots of money to buy guys like A-Rod or Santana who probably don't get kept. The point of them getting keepers is to level the playing field a bit heading into the auction.
I also think a floor is necessary; but perhaps it can be 4 players instead of 7?
I also think a floor is necessary; but perhaps it can be 4 players instead of 7?
7 was because it's the minimum number we can keep as returning owners.
It's a fine line, I agree.
Too few and they have too much money in the auction.
Too many and they might sign a lot of $1 bargains that could help them for several years to come, rather than the most balanced players who might be $10 but better than a flyer on a $1 guy.
Snatch Catch
01-31-08, 01:49 PM
The bad part about being an expansion team, like in real life, is you get the leftovers. :)
If they decide to pick zero (in your scenario) they would have the full $260 to bid on players at the auction, while some of us would be starting with less than half of that. I think last year one owner started with less than $100 in the auction. That would put the new teams at a huge advantage, with lots of money to buy guys like A-Rod or Santana who probably don't get kept. The point of them getting keepers is to level the playing field a bit heading into the auction.
The field is already not level because I've got Prince Fielder, Grady Sizemore, Felix Hernandez, etc. on the cheap.
I'd say the 7 didn't matter if they were allowed to drop some of them prior to the draft, but they can't.
Keep in mind that the idea that they would be able to get $1 bargains in the auction should not be a distinct advantage, seeing as we should have already taken a stab at the player(s) in quesiton if there really was an advantage to having them on our teams. Because it's an auction and not a draft, those $1 players are only there at the end because we felt that we were better off pursuing other options.
THEBOSS84
01-31-08, 01:51 PM
Obviously, I agree with Snatch (for obvious reasons).
Snatch Catch
01-31-08, 01:51 PM
I don't see how them having more money, but more spots to fill, at the auction is advantageous to them.
Returning teams: Top-end talent locked up below market value
New teams: Top-end talent at market value or above due to the fact that they have to bid on them.
Prince Fielder costs me $13 this year. If THEBOSS84 wants to get a comparable talent at auction he's going to have to pay through the nose for it.
THEBOSS84
01-31-08, 02:41 PM
I don't see how them having more money, but more spots to fill, at the auction is advantageous to them.
Returning teams: Top-end talent locked up below market value
New teams: Top-end talent at market value or above due to the fact that they have to bid on them.
Prince Fielder costs me $13 this year. If THEBOSS84 wants to get a comparable talent at auction he's going to have to pay through the nose for it.
This makes a lot of sense, and if I wasn't the noobie in the league, I would have spoken out :D
Snatch I appreciate you looking out for the expansion teams even though this could potentially change your auction strategy/situation.
I don't see how them having more money, but more spots to fill, at the auction is advantageous to them.
Returning teams: Top-end talent locked up below market value
New teams: Top-end talent at market value or above due to the fact that they have to bid on them.
Prince Fielder costs me $13 this year. If THEBOSS84 wants to get a comparable talent at auction he's going to have to pay through the nose for it.
The advantage is that if I have $130 to spend, I can't pursue A-Rod at $40. But someone with $260, can. Same with Johan. The top players usually are not kept due to high cost. Only people with money can keep them.
By leveling the field, by having new teams take keepers, hopefully we have a decent range of money for all players for the auction. Not some with $100 and some with $260.
Also...last year we had a new owner take over an existing team. He was allowed keepers I think the same way an existing owner was. So I think it should be the same as with new teams.
But...let's make it easy. Rather than going back and forth, make a clear proposal -- anyone of the existing owners with an opinion should do it -- and I'll put it to a vote.
So if you think they should get 0-12 keepers or 4-7, whatever. We'll do it democratically. :D
Snatch Catch
01-31-08, 02:57 PM
The advantage is that if I have $130 to spend, I can't pursue A-Rod at $40. But someone with $260, can. Same with Johan. The top players usually are not kept due to high cost. Only people with money can keep them.
But in this scenario you've got "only" $130 because you've locked up good/great talent cheaply!
You have less roster spots to fill, and already have high-end talent on your roster.
You could easily drop the $40 on A-Rod if you wanted.
Like I said, i'm up for any proposals...so let me know exactly what people want to propose. :D
Snatch Catch
01-31-08, 03:38 PM
Ok, I'll go with the comprimise that ruthianblast proposed - lower the floor to 4.
They must draft 4-12 players in expansion.
Ok, I'll go with the comprimise that ruthianblast proposed - lower the floor to 4.
They must draft 4-12 players in expansion.
OK.
Right now the rule is 7. No more; No less.
So the choices will be:
Keep rule the same.
Change it to be 4-12.
Any other ideas?
Simple majority rules.
I am considering if only returning owners should vote, since it affects their rosters; or if the three new owners should get a vote, too...opinions?
Hmm. I'm not quite sure either way.
Snatch Catch
01-31-08, 03:53 PM
OK.
Right now the rule is 7. No more; No less.
So the choices will be:
Keep rule the same.
Change it to be 4-12.
Any other ideas?
Simple majority rules.
I am considering if only returning owners should vote, since it affects their rosters; or if the three new owners should get a vote, too...opinions?
The new owners should get a vote, too - they're part of the league. If, as you say, some feel this could impact their rosters negatively, it could also affect the rosters of the new people negatively. They should have the right to voice their opinion on it in my view.
We should also make the vote public so we can make sure that only league members votes count.
Can someone tell me how the expansion draft would work or where I can find that information? I forgot already.
Snatch Catch
01-31-08, 03:57 PM
Hmm. I'm not quite sure either way.
I don't see why a team starting from scratch should be forced to take on pieces that others have deemed not worth it. They're already at a disadvantage by not getting any really valuable keepers, and having more money at auction doesn't help if you have more slots to fill and less good players to buy (because we have protected the truly good and cheap ones).
I don't see why they can't decide to forgo others' castaways in favor of taking the risk of a bidding war on the open market.
As returning owners, we've already skimmed the elite talent/contracts off the top and are in prime position regardless of what they decide. They shouldn't be forced into picking up our leftovers if they don't want to.
Snatch Catch
01-31-08, 04:00 PM
Can someone tell me how the expansion draft would work or where I can find that information? I forgot already.
We protect the guys we want to keep from our rosters. Everyone else that we return to the FA pool is divided into two categories:
A) Those with existing contracts or who are elgible for long-term/option deals.
B) Those who cannot be signed to longterm or option year deals.
The new guys get to pick over those in category A. The debate is should they be required to pick at least 7 guys so they are protecting the same amount of players that we are (We have to keep 7-12 guys each).
I think that's fair. Lowering the floor to 4 is an acceptable solution.
THEBOSS84
01-31-08, 05:49 PM
I vote 4 should be the floor.
yanksphan
01-31-08, 06:06 PM
I'm cool with 4.
I wouldn't worry about whether any of you can afford A-Rod though. :D
THEBOSS84
01-31-08, 06:07 PM
I'm cool with 4.
I wouldn't worry about whether any of you can afford A-Rod though. :D
Does that mean you're keeping him?
yanksphan
01-31-08, 06:21 PM
Does that mean you're keeping him?
There's a pretty good chance.
Although I've got Miggy Cabrera also at $11 less.
Or just keep em both!
Good problem to have.
THEBOSS84
01-31-08, 06:27 PM
There's a pretty good chance.
Although I've got Miggy Cabrera also at $11 less.
Or just keep em both!
Good problem to have.
How much do you own each of them at?
yanksphan
01-31-08, 06:34 PM
How much do you own each of them at?
$35 and $24
ChrisRo
02-05-08, 04:15 AM
So... Any news? Has the league been renewed yet? Is March 25th yet?
So... Any news? Has the league been renewed yet? Is March 25th yet?
The league has been renewed :D
cosmo4u
02-05-08, 07:45 PM
any spots open still?
any spots open still?
Sorry...we're at 12.
Snatch Catch
02-06-08, 05:16 PM
Are we going to start setting deadlines?
Remember, even though it will move quickly, we still need to have the expansion draft before the auction.
Or will we even have the expansion draft now that we're at capacity? Couldn't the draft simply be the order the new guys go in selecting the existing franchises? Whomever has first pick can choose any of the abandoned. teams, then the next guy chooses, etc.
Or will we even have the expansion draft now that we're at capacity? Couldn't the draft simply be the order the new guys go in selecting the existing franchises? Whomever has first pick can choose any of the abandoned. teams, then the next guy chooses, etc.
We had no abandoned teams. 9 teams last year, 9 teams returned this year. Added three teams to reach the optimal level of 12.
Still waiting for a few people to pay...
yanksphan
02-08-08, 09:43 AM
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