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TheBamTino24
09-23-08, 02:37 PM
The latest spewing from Hankenstein.
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/09/23/the-latest-thoughts-from-hank-steinbrenner/
I wish he would just keep his mouth shut. The guy is an embarrassment. It only goes to reason that he's a little defensive about the Torre situation because it's obvious that if they wanted Torre as the manager, he still would be. It's that simple. But keep your mouth shut. Why even go down that road?
I hope Torre wins the World Series and shoves it to this clown.
Why would Cashman want to work for this guy? If Cashman were to take a job elsewhere, he'd have the opportunity to shed any crticism of his career being the result of "Yankee Money". Much like Torre can do this October.
YESSIR!
09-23-08, 02:48 PM
The latest spewing from Hankenstein.
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/09/23/the-latest-thoughts-from-hank-steinbrenner/
Care to please quote the text? Lohud is blocked here at work :(
The Q Bomb
09-23-08, 02:54 PM
Right. Just file that under "shut up!". Whether he meant it as a knock against Torre or not that's how it will be portrayed in the media - over and over and over again. What a jerk! (Even though he's right.)
27IsNext
09-23-08, 02:55 PM
Hank likes to talk, no doubt, but I can't find anything I disagree with in what he said.
TheBamTino24
09-23-08, 02:58 PM
Right. Just file that under "shut up!". Whether he meant it as a knock against Torre or not that's how it will be portrayed in the media - over and over and over again. What a jerk! (Even though he's right.)
Exactly. Why even approach the Torre stuff? Secondly, he comes off as a whiner because his team did not make the postseason, correlating that to what believes to be a bogus system that doesn't always reward the best teams (over 162 games).
Yet at the same time his own franchise has benefitted from the system, as Abraham pointed out.
It's just more of the same from Hank. Why do reporters even listen to him? Where was he at the ASG? Sunday night? I thought he wanted Joba to start from Day 1? And Santana? Does he have any real control anyway?
Sloppy.
Exactly. Why even approach the Torre stuff? Secondly, he comes off as a whiner because his team did not make the postseason, correlating that to what believes to be a bogus system that doesn't always reward the best teams (over 162 games).
Yet at the same time his own franchise has benefitted from the system, as Abraham pointed out.
It's just more of the same from Hank. Why do reporters even listen to him? Where was he at the ASG? Sunday night? I thought he wanted Joba to start from Day 1? And Santana? Does he have any real control anyway?
Sloppy.
He has an inferiority complex and he is a whiner. When does Hal & Jennifer buy him out?
President Kennedy
09-23-08, 07:26 PM
I think Hank happens to be right in his Torre comments. Shame that some fans here take pride in Torre's success as a "shove it" to the team we all root for.
TheBamTino24
09-23-08, 07:55 PM
I think Hank happens to be right in his Torre comments. Shame that some fans here take pride in Torre's success as a "shove it" to the team we all root for.
This is beyond blindly rooting for a team.
Joe Torre provided this fan with more than Hank Steinbrenner ever did. All Hank has done is make a mockery of the organization every time he opens his mouth. His comments today sound like a whiner. Maybe he should petition Selig to force the NL to use the DH, which was another of his infamous quotes this year, bitching when Wang got injured in Houston.
Anyway, I did not like they way the Torre situation was handled, and I do not like Hank belittling Torre's accomplishments whether with NYY or in LA. He's done both. It shows no class, especially for someone who has barely been around the team until this year. Move on, Hank.
And right now the Dodgers will be my only interest in October. I honestly hope that both Torre & Mattingly earn rings. It's not like I'm preferring Torre stick it to Hank instead of Yankee success.
nnysiny
09-23-08, 08:06 PM
The latest spewing from Hankenstein.
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/09/23/the-latest-thoughts-from-hank-steinbrenner/
why even say these things? what an embarrassment
Care to please quote the text? Lohud is blocked here at work :(
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/09/23/the-latest-thoughts-from-hank-steinbrenner/
Per your request.
Yankees co-chairperson Hank Steinbrenner writes a column for The Sporting News, which apparently is still publishing. Anyway, here are the highlights of his latest missive:
On revenue sharing: “That’s a system I don’t particularly like. It’s a socialist system, and I don’t agree with it. Does it work? It depends on your point of view. But is it right? Is it even American? I’d argue no on both of those points.”
On the divisional setup: “If you want to talk about things that infuriate me about the game today, revenue sharing doesn’t top the list. The biggest problem is the divisional setup in major league baseball. I didn’t like it in the 1970s, and I hate it now. Baseball went to a multidivision setup to create more races, rivalries and excitement. But it isn’t fair. You see it this season, with plenty of people in the media pointing out that Joe Torre and the Dodgers are going to the playoffs while we’re not. This is by no means a knock on Torre — let me make that clear—but look at the division they’re in. If L.A. were in the A.L. East, it wouldn’t be in the playoff discussion. The A.L. East is never weak.”
On Joe Torre: “I’m happy for Joe, but you have to compare the divisions and the competition. What if the Yankees finish the season with more wins than the Dodgers but the Dodgers make the playoffs? Does that make the Dodgers a better team? No.”
On his case for the divisional setup not being good for the game: “Go back to the 2006 season. St. Louis winning the World Series — that was ridiculous. The Cardinals won their division with 83 wins — two fewer than the Phillies, who missed the postseason. People will say the Cardinals were the best team because they won the World Series. Well, no, they weren’t. They just got hot at the right time. They didn’t even belong in the playoffs. And neither does a team from the N.L. West this season.”
On the media: “The divisional setup is not right by any definition of logic. But the sports media rarely deals with logic — so you never read about this.”
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A few points: The last Yankees team that won the World Series had 87 wins. There were eight other teams in baseball with more wins that season. So apparently the Yankees weren’t the best team that season, they just got hot at the right time, right Hank? I guess the Yankees should give that trophy back.
It’s also funny to hear him talk about “the 1970s.” Hank was born in 1957, making him a teenager for most of the 1970s. But obviously he was thinking deep thoughts about the divisional setup as he spent his dad’s money.
Run Brian Cashman, run as fast as you can.
SoCal Pinstriper
09-23-08, 10:55 PM
Per your request.
You really need to link to that.
Thank you
bronxboy
09-23-08, 10:57 PM
geez and I thought Baron Von Steingrabber was embarrassing, this guy tops his dad, the man makes me wince everything he opens up his damn mouth.....altho I do agree about the Cards, an 83 win team has no business in the playoffs but dem are the rules.........
You really need to link to that.
Thank you
I originally did. Will do.
LizrdKng67
09-24-08, 06:56 AM
Somebody shut this guy up!
I guess he does not remember when the Yankees won 87 games in 2000 and won the World Series.
Hank is just a cheap imitation of his father. Larry David did a better impression of George than Hank does!
Hank:
Go back to the Horses - please!!!:mad:
BennyTheJetRodriguez
09-24-08, 07:16 AM
There is nothing wrong with what Hank said, he is 100% right about everything in his most recent rant. What is the problem? The fact that he said it? Come on people.
Hank:
Go back to the Horses - please!!!:mad:
You said it. Let your brother run the team.
There is nothing wrong with what Hank said, he is 100% right about everything in his most recent rant. What is the problem? The fact that he said it? Come on people.
Wrong!!!! You must be as dillusional as he is.
SubwayFanatic
09-24-08, 07:26 AM
There is nothing wrong with what Hank said, he is 100% right about everything in his most recent rant. What is the problem? The fact that he said it? Come on people.
The problem is that instead of just accepting that the team was not good enough this year, he wants to blame injuries, the playoff format or whatever other idiotic thoughts enter his head.
sweet_lou_14
09-24-08, 07:44 AM
Reading the quotes, it's pretty damning that he brought up Torre's name without being asked about Torre. I agree that this is an embarrassment.
Just when Randy Levine finally stopped speaking in public ... this guy shows up.
Art Vanderlay
09-24-08, 07:47 AM
There is nothing wrong with what Hank said, he is 100% right about everything in his most recent rant. What is the problem? The fact that he said it? Come on people.
I repectfully disagree. I believe Hank's comments regarding the Dodgers and Torre were petty, classless, and makes him look very small.
BennyTheJetRodriguez
09-24-08, 09:04 AM
I repectfully disagree. I believe Hank's comments regarding the Dodgers and Torre were petty, classless, and makes him look very small.
Somewhat. So do you think they are incorrect? Because I don't actually think we disagree.
BennyTheJetRodriguez
09-24-08, 09:08 AM
The problem is that instead of just accepting that the team was not good enough this year, he wants to blame injuries, the playoff format or whatever other idiotic thoughts enter his head.
Fair enough, but do you think any of his comments were incorrect in any way? Lets say a random Washington Nationals fan said them. Would you agree or disagree with that person?
Prison Mike
09-24-08, 09:36 AM
I despise this guy. He's a spoiled baby who whines whenever something doesn't go his way. Wang got hurt in an NL game- it's MLB's fault for making him hit. His slightly above average team doesn't make the playoffs, and it's MLB's fault for having a bad NL West.
The playoff system isn't perfect- but it isn't in any league. The only thing that matters is that we are the 3rd (maybe 4th) best team out of 5. That's not good enough.
BTW, bringing Torre into this at all is disgraceful.
Art Vanderlay
09-24-08, 09:37 AM
Somewhat. So do you think they are incorrect? Because I don't actually think we disagree.
In general, Hank's comments come off like sour grapes. We won the World Series in 2000 with an 87 win season which was the 5th best record in the AL and 9th best record in baseball. According to Hanks' logic, that championship was not legit (which of course is absurd). So he likes the rules when they work to his advantage, and complains about them when they don't. In other words, he is showing the same level of maturity as many of the little league kids that I coach. And lets face it, the last person in the world that should be complaining about an unlevel playing field is the owner of the Yankees. I have no respect for Hank.
Rocketbooster
09-24-08, 09:44 AM
The only thing that makes me feel better is that Hal is running the ship, not Hank, and everyone knows it. Notice how Hal never speaks unless he has something important to say. Hank is a complete and utter embarrassment, but since everyone except ESPN understands that Hal is running the show, it's not as bad as it could be. Still, I despise this man. I wish Hal and Jennifer and everyone else could take this guy and lock him away, somewhere.....anywhere.
4bronxbombers
09-24-08, 10:23 AM
He comes across as a spoiled rotten brat born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Seems like he could have benefited from learning some valuable life lessons along the way.
There is nothing wrong with what Hank said, he is 100% right about everything in his most recent rant. What is the problem? The fact that he said it? Come on people.
I think his comments on Torre was, like Art said, classless, and petty. Totally uncalled for. Shows he needs to "put brain in gear before mouth in motion".
His comments on the playoff format is useless, and just sounds like a sore-loser. What should Baseball do, realign the divisions based on pre-season expectations, and sort the teams that way?
His points on the Media and revenue-sharing are fair. It is his opinion. Some folks would agree and others would dis-agree. But he is entitled to his opinion.
i'm no real fan of his. he reminds me of his father.
Yankee Fan in Boston
09-24-08, 10:34 AM
i'm no real fan of his. he reminds me of his father.
Me too. Just glad Hal and the rest of the family are more sensible.
Me too. Just glad Hal and the rest of the family are more sensible.
if i got the feeling that hank was the one really running the show i might be concerned but from everything i hear and read hal is doing it. cashman is a good GM. his plan sis only three years in. this organisation is only now beginning to get out from the win-now mantra that the previous boss demanded. it run us into the ground cutting our legs off from underneath us.
It's a pretty low point in Yankeedom when ownership whines that they have to play against Boston and Tampa Bay too often.
It's embarassing that it only took one year for Hank to become a poor copy of our competition's fans.
jnewmark
09-24-08, 11:30 AM
Sounded like a bunch of sour grapes,to me. Ok, so he does'nt like the playoff set up, why did'nt he come up with some alternatives?
The Q Bomb
09-24-08, 11:32 AM
Sounded like a bunch of sour grapes,to me. Ok, so he does'nt like the playoff set up, why did'nt he come up with some alternatives? Why doesn't he just shut up? If he wants to do something dramatic let him stop payment on a few of his players' checks!
bigtimebomber
09-24-08, 11:45 AM
Do we have any reason to believe Hal is more sensible than Hank? Maybe he's just more shy.
Zimmers' Helmet
09-24-08, 11:54 AM
One of the first moves that should be made this offseason in regards to Hank :
http://3media.initialized.org/photos/2000-11-27/Johnny%20B%20duct-tape%20right.jpg
fritz kekich
09-24-08, 01:59 PM
Fair enough, but do you think any of his comments were incorrect in any way? Lets say a random Washington Nationals fan said them. Would you agree or disagree with that person?
It really doesn't matter iif the words were technically accurate. It may be accurate that a work colleague's wife looks like a horse and smells like schitt. But how do I come off if I point that out?
He could have said, "I believe in this team. we play in MLB's toughest division in the tougher league, and a few setbacks during the year, and Tampa's incredible rise, put us in a hole we couldn't get out of." Instead he comes off sounding like a dick, accurate or not. Has he ever praised this team even once? Not even for playing hard as the string runs out? Just give them something. In the end, most players will take the money, but if $$$ is roughly equal, who would want to play on a team where the loudmouth, ingrate, sperm-lottery winning owner will jump up and down like a spoiled three-year old if the new free agent goes 0-3 on Opening Day?
BennyTheJetRodriguez
09-24-08, 02:03 PM
In general, Hank's comments come off like sour grapes. We won the World Series in 2000 with an 87 win season which was the 5th best record in the AL and 9th best record in baseball. According to Hanks' logic, that championship was not legit (which of course is absurd). So he likes the rules when they work to his advantage, and complains about them when they don't. In other words, he is showing the same level of maturity as many of the little league kids that I coach. And lets face it, the last person in the world that should be complaining about an unlevel playing field is the owner of the Yankees. I have no respect for Hank.
We agree that he is a prick and that he sounds like a baby. Do you feel he was wrong? Not wrong meaning he shouldn't have said it, wrong meaning incorrect.
He could have said, "I believe in this team. we play in MLB's toughest division in the tougher league, and a few setbacks during the year, and Tampa's incredible rise, put us in a hole we couldn't get out of." Instead he comes off sounding like a dick, accurate or not. Has he ever praised this team even once? Not even for playing hard as the string runs out? Just give them something. In the end, most players will take the money, but if $$$ is roughly equal, who would want to play on a team where the loudmouth, ingrate, sperm-lottery winning owner will jump up and down like a spoiled three-year old if the new free agent goes 0-3 on Opening Day? I guess since he was right it just doesn't bother me that he sounds like a prick. I admire sincerity.
And of course it matters that his words were accurate. Especially when people are saying things like "Hank is clueless and I'm glad Hal runs things" (which is 100% speculation by the way). It annoys me that fans (not saying you or anyone here in particular) equate how they feel about a player/manager/coach/owner as a person with what they do on the field.
fritz kekich
09-24-08, 02:08 PM
We agree that he is a prick and that he sounds like a baby. Do you feel he was wrong? Not wrong meaning he shouldn't have said it, wrong meaning incorrect.
Wrong is wrong. Sometimes it has nothing to do with accuracy.
CardNYY
09-24-08, 02:10 PM
Hank, I like the Yanks... So stfu....
BennyTheJetRodriguez
09-24-08, 02:17 PM
Wrong is wrong. Sometimes it has nothing to do with accuracy.
In this case its been specified that we are talking about accuracy.
fritz kekich
09-24-08, 02:43 PM
In this case its been specified that we are talking about accuracy.
If I call an someone's wife a fat whore, I am wrong, whether I am accurate or not.
If Hankie acts like a child, forgets his team's own 87-win season, and rips both another team, and this team's former (very successful) manager in the process, then he is wrong, whether he was accurate or not.
Seeing how he's "right," I'd guess you think Hank should continue to behave this way?
yankeeman61
09-24-08, 02:54 PM
In this case its been specified that we are talking about accuracy.
The larger point is that while he can say whatever he wants, he comes off like a crybaby. I couldn't care less about whatever excuse he wants to make for the team not achieving its objective. Blaming the system that previously worked for you doesn't help. Besides this was a team in "transition" as he so eloquently stated before they resigned ARod. That fact that he did bring up Torre and the Dodgers gives the impression that it's under his skin that the Dodgers are going and the Yankees are not. Should we care what Hank says? Probably not, but every time he opens his mouth there is a great chance for buffoonery and embarassment for the organization and the fans. Hank needs to grow up, learn to take responsibility and carve himself a productive role in building a championship team instead of griping about other teams who have been beating their asses for the last 8 years.
yankeebot
09-24-08, 03:15 PM
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iYKFhDOTLqWCakU7iTlM6kS0B5hwD93COBQ08
Hank Steinbrenner was all set to attend the final regular-season game at Yankee Stadium. Then he decided it was more important to watch it someplace else — with his dad, on TV.
So the New York Yankees' co-chairman went over to his father's house in Tampa and joined George Steinbrenner for Sunday night's 7-3 win over Baltimore.
"It was emotional," Hank Steinbrenner said Tuesday at the Yankees' spring training complex. "It was especially for me, watching with him. And hopefully him, watching it with me, too. He was very happy I was there. He enjoyed it. Of course, they talked a lot about him, and that was nice."
JavyVazquezIsSick
09-24-08, 03:29 PM
...Shortly after leaving his dad, Hank murdered 17 kittens.
fritz kekich
09-24-08, 03:33 PM
...Shortly after leaving his dad, Hank murdered 17 kittens.
"In the National League, Steinbrenner said, he would have had to murder only 13 or 14 kittens to get ahead. . . ."
The funny thing is I bet he was oblivious to the fact the Yankees won 87 games in 2000 when he made these comments.
Pinstripedbass
09-24-08, 04:37 PM
There is nothing wrong with what Hank said, he is 100% right about everything in his most recent rant. What is the problem? The fact that he said it? Come on people.
?????
For starters, it sounds like sour grapes. Secondly, do you remember our record in 1996? How about 2000? We weren't exactly an AL powerhouse that year.
Hank needs to keep quiet.
Pinstripedbass
09-24-08, 04:39 PM
i'm no real fan of his. he reminds me of his father.
His father circa 1981.
?????
For starters, it sounds like sour grapes. Secondly, do you remember our record in 1996? How about 2000? We weren't exactly an AL powerhouse that year.
Hank needs to keep quiet.
92 wins in '96, don't really see your point there.
Pinstripedbass
09-24-08, 04:49 PM
92 wins in '96, don't really see your point there.
92 wins isn't exactly setting the world on fire.
BroadwayBomber55
09-24-08, 05:58 PM
My take on Hank Steinbrenner spat on the Yankees great misfortune on the AL East...
On one side, I do agree with him because the Yankees are in the toughest division in baseball, the AL East with the Boston Red Sox and Tampa Bay Rays.
However, on the other side of the coin, Hank needs to grow up. I don't care if the Yankees win 87 games like they did in 2000 to win the division and make the playoffs or 114 like they did in 1998, you win games to make the playoffs.
I don't see George Steinbrenner complaining like this.
As for the 2006 Cardinals who won 83 games, on paper, they weren't the best team. On the field, they got it done. They won the race to 11 wins first.
92 wins isn't exactly setting the world on fire.
Second most in the league. I get your point, I just don't think using '96 as a reference has much merit.
On the other hand, had the league not gone to 3 divisions and stayed at 2 with no wild card, Cleveland would have finished 7 games ahead of the Yankees in '96.
followwind
09-24-08, 09:15 PM
On the other hand, had the league not gone to 3 divisions and stayed at 2 with no wild card, Cleveland would have finished 7 games ahead of the Yankees in '96.
Which is exactly why Hank should keep his mouth shut.
Pinstripedbass
09-25-08, 06:54 PM
Which is exactly why Hank should keep his mouth shut.
T R U T H !
nnysiny
09-25-08, 07:01 PM
The funny thing is I bet he was oblivious to the fact the Yankees won 87 games in 2000 when he made these comments.
i doubt that he follows baseball
BroadwayBomber55
09-25-08, 11:55 PM
Which is exactly why Hank should keep his mouth shut.
Who is Hank trying to be? George Ver. 2.0?
I don't see Col. Jacob Ruppert, Del Topping and Del Webb, and even King George III whine like this.
"In the National League, Steinbrenner said, he would have had to murder only 13 or 14 kittens to get ahead. . . ."
you win. the competition is closed.
:roflmao:
guys, hank isn't bright. he helps others hate us. but you know what, they'll probably hate us anyway. if he starts to make decisions based on his bone head ideas like his dad did, then i'll worry. til then ... meh.
What is up with this guy? He doesn't come to the All Star Game and then he doesn't come to the final game celebration? Can you imagine being an owner of the Yankees and not doing so? Is there a family rift?
Rocketbooster
09-27-08, 08:35 AM
What is up with this guy? He doesn't come to the All Star Game and then he doesn't come to the final game celebration? Can you imagine being an owner of the Yankees and not doing so? Is there a family rift?
He apparently watched the final game at YS with his father........there are plenty of things to get on Hank about, so I won't get on him about this (well, I did, but knowing he watched the game with George changes things completely)
The Q Bomb
09-27-08, 10:53 AM
Hank says things that many of us think but are smart enough to keep as thoughts. It's killing me that The Dodgers are in the playoffs and we are not. I always liked Torre, although I did think it was time for a change, but I do not like to see anyone who leaves The Yankees have success anywhere else. (And please don't lecture me; I know it's petty...) I also know that if The Yanks played in that division they might have made the playoffs, but I also know that if The Yanks had gotten 6 or 7 hits in key spots in key games this year they would have made the post season. If The Yanks, as a team, hit better with RISP, they would have made the postseason. If players on The Yanks had busted their tails all season long they would have made the playoffs. If they had gotten Johan Santana (for the record I was not in favor of trading Hughes and Kennedy for him) they would have made the playoffs. If Hughes and Kennedy had pitched just poorly instead of horribly they might have made the playoffs. THAT is the reason Hank should keep his mouth shut. Unfortnately, Hank's words will be taken to represent The Yankees instead of just Hank Steinbrenner.
One thing I do like about Hank is the way he sticks up for his team. Anybody tries to shaft The Yankees or say something negative about them he always has something, many times bone-headed, to say. It's like he has a "We're not going to take any more s#$%" attitude - which I like.
ArodMVP217
09-27-08, 12:39 PM
it could be worse, we could be the Mets
it could be worse, we could be the Mets
They're not eliminated yet.
Yankees47
09-27-08, 03:21 PM
Hank says things that many of us think but are smart enough to keep as thoughts. It's killing me that The Dodgers are in the playoffs and we are not. I always liked Torre, although I did think it was time for a change, but I do not like to see anyone who leaves The Yankees have success anywhere else. (And please don't lecture me; I know it's petty...) I also know that if The Yanks played in that division they might have made the playoffs, but I also know that if The Yanks had gotten 6 or 7 hits in key spots in key games this year they would have made the post season. If The Yanks, as a team, hit better with RISP, they would have made the postseason. If players on The Yanks had busted their tails all season long they would have made the playoffs. If they had gotten Johan Santana (for the record I was not in favor of trading Hughes and Kennedy for him) they would have made the playoffs. If Hughes and Kennedy had pitched just poorly instead of horribly they might have made the playoffs. THAT is the reason Hank should keep his mouth shut. Unfortnately, Hank's words will be taken to represent The Yankees instead of just Hank Steinbrenner.
One thing I do like about Hank is the way he sticks up for his team. Anybody tries to shaft The Yankees or say something negative about them he always has something, many times bone-headed, to say. It's like he has a "We're not going to take any more s#$%" attitude - which I like.
Agreed....If the Yanks had Johan Santana they would have made it to the playoffs IMO....He gives you more wins and he takes Rasner out of the rotation and puts him in it...he takes the pressure off the rest of the staff because Johan is an Aces Ace....he is the best starter in baseball...A pitcher like Johan IMO gives a team swagger knowing that when hes on the mound they have a great shot in winnnig...maybe takes some pressure off the hitters too knowing they dont have to score 6 runs a game to win Rasner and Ponsons starts
Hobbes40
09-27-08, 04:37 PM
Agreed....If the Yanks had Johan Santana they would have made it to the playoffs IMO....He gives you more wins and he takes Rasner out of the rotation and puts him in it...he takes the pressure off the rest of the staff because Johan is an Aces Ace....he is the best starter in baseball...A pitcher like Johan IMO gives a team swagger knowing that when hes on the mound they have a great shot in winnnig...maybe takes some pressure off the hitters too knowing they dont have to score 6 runs a game to win Rasner and Ponsons starts
True...but if Wang didn't have a freak injury we'd probably at least still be in contention. Obviously having two aces so if one goes down we'd still have another it would be nice, but a bit of a luxury.
a-RobinsonCano-Fan
09-27-08, 04:56 PM
hes an embarassment
Agreed....If the Yanks had Johan Santana they would have made it to the playoffs IMO....He gives you more wins and he takes Rasner out of the rotation and puts him in it...he takes the pressure off the rest of the staff because Johan is an Aces Ace....he is the best starter in baseball...A pitcher like Johan IMO gives a team swagger knowing that when hes on the mound they have a great shot in winnnig...maybe takes some pressure off the hitters too knowing they dont have to score 6 runs a game to win Rasner and Ponsons starts
Let me make it easier, if Andy Pettitte made more than 4 after the all star game we would have made the playoffs. He had 4 freaking wins after the all-star game.
Not getting Johan didn't cost us the playoffs, its having players underperform cost us the playoffs.
The Q Bomb
09-27-08, 10:02 PM
Let me make it easier, if Andy Pettitte made more than 4 after the all star game we would have made the playoffs. He had 4 freaking wins after the all-star game.
Not getting Johan didn't cost us the playoffs, its having players underperform cost us the playoffs. As I, and other forumers have pointed out, it's not our pitching that cost us the postseason, despite the loss of Wang, Bruney, Joba, etc. - it was terrible offense, especially with RISP.
His father circa 1981.
no, pretty much all the time.
President Kennedy
10-05-08, 10:12 AM
So now that Cashman has signed on for three more years, we can put to rest all the concern that Hank is running the team.
So now that Cashman has signed on for three more years, we can put to rest all the concern that Hank is running the team.
we can only hope.
President Kennedy
10-05-08, 10:48 AM
we can only hope.
Cashman woudn't have signed on for another three years if he didn't have promises and agreements in place as to who runs the show. He had no reason to. He could have signed a lucrative deal elsewhere, and probably would have, if his role here was going to be nothing more than a puppet.
Cashman woudn't have signed on for another three years if he didn't have promises and agreements in place as to who runs the show. He had no reason to. He could have signed a lucrative deal elsewhere, and probably would have, if his role here was going to be nothing more than a puppet.
i agree with you.
Mantle'sMutt
10-06-08, 01:44 PM
Cashman woudn't have signed on for another three years if he didn't have promises and agreements in place as to who runs the show. He had no reason to. He could have signed a lucrative deal elsewhere, and probably would have, if his role here was going to be nothing more than a puppet.
Promises schmomises. If Hank changes his mind, Cash can weigh the value of those promises on a crack scale.
knickfan23
10-06-08, 01:55 PM
Hank is just hoping against a Dodgers-Red Sox World Series.
Either he is going to be upset about the Red Sox winning it all again, or he faces the prospect of Joe winning it all one year after leaving.
Hank may want to leave the country for a few weeks.
scooterfan
10-06-08, 01:59 PM
Promises schmomises. If Hank changes his mind, Cash can weigh the value of those promises on a crack scale.
Thing is - I don't think it's Hank's call
Hal negotiated with Cash - according to the Kat O'Brien version. Hank didn't seem to be involved - other than having his name on that statement that was read after Cash signed
Hank is... irrelevant
montrealer
10-06-08, 03:37 PM
Hank is just hoping against a Dodgers-Red Sox World Series.
Either he is going to be upset about the Red Sox winning it all again, or he faces the prospect of Joe winning it all one year after leaving.
Hank may want to leave the country for a few weeks.
Don`t even joke about that.....
b_joseph
10-06-08, 03:39 PM
Cashman woudn't have signed on for another three years if he didn't have promises and agreements in place as to who runs the show. He had no reason to. He could have signed a lucrative deal elsewhere, and probably would have, if his role here was going to be nothing more than a puppet.Until the money being spent is Cashman's, he will never have 100% say on the complete running of the team.
Alex Rodriguez saga confirmed that.
Yankees1962
10-06-08, 03:52 PM
Until the money being spent is Cashman's, he will never have 100% say on the complete running of the team.
Alex Rodriguez saga confirmed that.
That little item is something people keep forgetting about is that Cashman works for the Steinbrenners. It's their money he's spending and he can't do anything without getting their approval first, but they can overrule him anytime they feel like it as been reported in the Posada and Arod situations.
That little item is something people keep forgetting about is that Cashman works for the Steinbrenners. It's their money he's spending and he can't do anything without getting their approval first, but they can overrule him anytime they feel like it as been reported in the Posada and Arod situations.
How was he overruled in the JoPo situation? I am not doubting you, I honestly don't know:o
Yankees1962
10-06-08, 03:57 PM
How was he overruled in the JoPo situation? I am not doubting you, I honestly don't know:o
There have been several articles in which Cashman was ready to let Posada go over the 4th year, but that the Steinbrenners overruled him. It's been reported in articles from Heyman, Times, News, Post and Newsday so take your pick and you'll probably find links in the Cashman thread.
THEBOSS84
10-06-08, 03:58 PM
There have been several articles in which Cashman was ready to let Posada go over the 4th year, but that the Steinbrenners overruled him. It's been reported in articles from Heyman, Times, News, Post and Newsday so take your pick and you'll probably find links in the Cashman thread.
I would have loved to see them test Posada's loyalty.
Yankees1962
10-06-08, 04:00 PM
I would have loved to see them test Posada's loyalty.
What about their loyalty to him or is that just a one-way street for the team to take advantage of?
THEBOSS84
10-06-08, 04:02 PM
What about their loyalty to him or is that just a one-way street for the team to take advantage of?
We now know that the Yanks have been loyal to Posada. Do we know the opposite? No. We do know that he very publicly went for a dinner date with Omar Minaya.
Yankees1962
10-06-08, 04:05 PM
We now know that the Yanks have been loyal to Posada. Do we know the opposite? No. We do know that he very publicly went for a dinner date with Omar Minaya.
Too funny so the Yankees have been loyal to Posada, but Posada might have not been loyal to them.
I never understood how some fans take the team's postion over the players even though most teams are owned by billionaires while most players come from humble backgrounds like most fans.
THEBOSS84
10-06-08, 04:10 PM
Too funny so the Yankees have been loyal to Posada, but Posada might have not been loyal to them.
I never understood how some fans take the team's postion over the players even though most teams are owned by billionaires while most players come from humble backgrounds like most fans.
I am a fan of the team first. Not any one player. Should I root for the player with the humbled background to milk the Yanks out of every dollar so then when a Carlos Beltran situation comes up in 2-3 years, we have to walk away again due to luxury tax concerns?
Yankees1962
10-06-08, 04:12 PM
I am a fan of the team first. Not any one player. Should I root for the player with the humbled background to milk the Yanks out of every dollar so then when a Carlos Beltran situation comes up in 2-3 years, we have to walk away again due to luxury tax concerns?
Good for you!
THEBOSS84
10-06-08, 04:13 PM
Good for you!
Hmmm. I am not sure how this response has anything to do with my post. I see you're back to your old ways...
Yankees1962
10-06-08, 04:15 PM
Hmmm. I am not sure how this response has anything to do with my post. I see you're back to your old ways...
I don't know what you're talking about, but whatever.
THEBOSS84
10-06-08, 04:16 PM
Me neither.
CallOfTheCrow
10-06-08, 09:05 PM
Me neither!
What about their loyalty to him or is that just a one-way street for the team to take advantage of?
Its a business. The Yanks have to do whats best for them and Posada has to do whats best for him.
I would have loved to see them test Posada's loyalty.
i really like jorge but i'd have held firm on the "no fourth year".
Art Vanderlay
10-11-08, 01:27 PM
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10112008/sports/yankees/hank__im_still_in_charge_here__133073.htm
Really classy of Hank to refer to his employees as "piss ants". Also, for bringing up the Santana deal again.
ericns1
10-11-08, 01:33 PM
Hank - just shut up - at times when you speak you detract from the sum total of human knowledge.
CardNYY
10-11-08, 02:13 PM
As for the 2006 Cardinals who won 83 games, on paper, they weren't the best team. On the field, they got it done. They won the race to 11 wins first.
And they really were a 90+ win team that year. They had one of the best records in baseball in the 1st half of the season before Pujols and a couple of other players went down. Not to mention that they were The odds on favorites to win the WS before the season started. They were a lot better than people gave them credit for.
Rocketbooster
10-11-08, 02:46 PM
No wonder fans can’t let go of Santana - Mr. Blowhard can’t, either. I will say, Pete, that Hank has little power in comparison to Hal and that is why he’s opening his mouth. He reminds me of Jan Brady, but instead of “Marcia, Marcia, Marcia” it’s “Johan, Johan, Johan”…..or “Hal, Hal, Hal”. This guy is absolutely pathetic……. Cash, are you still sure you want this job? In any case, Cash and Hal work very well together and that’s all that counts.
Back to Hank - he does annoy me and I dislike him immensely. That said, his “piss-ant” comment was NOT directed towards Cashman; to me, it was directed to those anonymous sources/employees/friend of the organization familiar with the Yankees’ thinking that newspapers are so fond of quoting - in general, people who have absolutely no clue as to what the team is thinking. In fact, I doubt if these people even exist; it’s easy to make up quotes from people who aren’t named.
Also, I'd like to give a shout out to Frank Torre - BE QUIET!
Why does this clown always open his mouth. Anyway we can trade him to the Mets where all the clowns belong?
Yankees1962
10-11-08, 03:25 PM
Remember, when this thead first open up and Yankee fans were divided about Hank Steinbrenner and the positives he brings the Yankees. Apparently that divide is no longer here or at the very least a lot smaller than it was a year ago.
montrealer
10-11-08, 03:27 PM
Piss-ants...........just another spoiled ,rich kid.........How old is this idiot?
DEADSOX
10-11-08, 03:32 PM
Piss-ants...........just another spoiled ,rich kid.........How old is this idiot?
I was just reading that article, I can't believe he said that about his own employees, that's pretty damn crappy. His outspokeness is mostly humorous, but don't knock people that are busting their ass for you.
Yankees1962
10-11-08, 03:32 PM
Piss-ants...........just another spoiled ,rich kid.........How old is this idiot?
Too old to be quoted like he was today and have been over the last year.
Pinstripedbass
10-11-08, 04:26 PM
Hank Steinbrenner= BUFFOON!
The Q Bomb
10-11-08, 05:31 PM
I was just reading that article, I can't believe he said that about his own employees, that's pretty damn crappy. His outspokeness is mostly humorous, but don't knock people that are busting their ass for you.I understand what he means (I think). He's probably sick of some low-level employee, i.e., mail room clerk, bathroom attendant, dishing out information like they are Brian Cashman's assistant. Even so, he was ill-advised to make that remark to the press. That is the kind of remark you make to your best friend or brother when you're in a bar. Did this guy never take Media Relations 101?!
Good news is, Hank wants Teixeira. I'm all for that!
YankeePride1967
10-11-08, 06:33 PM
No wonder fans can’t let go of Santana - Mr. Blowhard can’t, either. I will say, Pete, that Hank has little power in comparison to Hal and that is why he’s opening his mouth. He reminds me of Jan Brady, but instead of “Marcia, Marcia, Marcia” it’s “Johan, Johan, Johan”…..or “Hal, Hal, Hal”. This guy is absolutely pathetic……. Cash, are you still sure you want this job? In any case, Cash and Hal work very well together and that’s all that counts.
Back to Hank - he does annoy me and I dislike him immensely. That said, his “piss-ant” comment was NOT directed towards Cashman; to me, it was directed to those anonymous sources/employees/friend of the organization familiar with the Yankees’ thinking that newspapers are so fond of quoting - in general, people who have absolutely no clue as to what the team is thinking. In fact, I doubt if these people even exist; it’s easy to make up quotes from people who aren’t named.
Also, I'd like to give a shout out to Frank Torre - BE QUIET!
Thank you. But there is no room for reason here.
montrealer
10-11-08, 06:47 PM
I understand what he means (I think). He's probably sick of some low-level employee, i.e., mail room clerk, bathroom attendant, dishing out information like they are Brian Cashman's assistant. Even so, he was ill-advised to make that remark to the press. That is the kind of remark you make to your best friend or brother when you're in a bar. Did this guy never take Media Relations 101?!
Yeah...........never trusted those bathroom attendants kind.............always trying the old "Spit in the toilet...look at the cock" trick...........
I understand what he means (I think). He's probably sick of some low-level employee, i.e., mail room clerk, bathroom attendant, dishing out information like they are Brian Cashman's assistant. Even so, he was ill-advised to make that remark to the press. That is the kind of remark you make to your best friend or brother when you're in a bar. Did this guy never take Media Relations 101?!
If Hank didn't inherit the Yankees, I bet Hank would be working as the bathroom attendant.
nhyankeefan
10-11-08, 07:17 PM
If Hank didn't inherit the Yankees, I bet Hank would be working as the bathroom attendant.
Hank clearly won the gene pool lottery. He has all of George's bluster, yet little, if any, of his smarts.
Rocketbooster
10-11-08, 09:25 PM
Hank clearly won the gene pool lottery. He has all of George's bluster, yet little, if any, of his smarts.
I know George did some mean things, but he also did some wonderful things. Hank is despicable. Hal must be rolling his eyes........yet again.
Hank Steinbrenner= BUFFOON!
knew he followed in his dad's footsteps.
Pinstripedbass
10-12-08, 07:47 AM
knew he followed in his dad's footsteps.
Yep. That apple didn't fall far from the tree.
JohnnyEllis
10-12-08, 07:53 AM
Someone needs to remove this guy from the premises.
He's a fool. The only thing that reassures me is Cashman wouldn't have signed on for another three years if Hank was the real power in the organization.
Hank gets an F- (which doesn't even really exist, but F isn't bad enough)
Hank Steinbrenner= BUFFOON!
hank steinbrenner = george steinbrenner.
Hank gets an F- (which doesn't even really exist, but F isn't bad enough)
it doesn't exist? i need to speak to my geography teacher in year 9.
TEPLimey
10-17-08, 08:00 AM
Why does anyone care what Hank Steinbrenner says? When he starts doing things that screw the Yankees, then come talk to me.
If he's willing to invest in the Yankees, I'm thrilled to take Hank and his mouth over the overwhelming majority of the Pohlads (cheapskates) or Angeloses (basically an evil creature of doom) out there.
OldYankeeFan
10-17-08, 08:51 AM
Why does anyone care what Hank Steinbrenner says? When he starts doing things that screw the Yankees, then come talk to me.
If he's willing to invest in the Yankees, I'm thrilled to take Hank and his mouth over the overwhelming majority of the Pohlads (cheapskates) or Angeloses (basically an evil creature of doom) out there.
I'm 100% with you on this one Tep. Hank has no real role othjer than self proclaimed spokesman and whatever he says should be taken as entertainment value only. He may be all of those things many of his detractors say he is and I really DON"T care.
What I care about is his commitment to winning, home grown players, to spending the big bucks in the international market, high risk/high return overslot draft picks and spending on FA signings needed to fill in the holes. What more can you really ask for?
I consider us VERY lucky to have the Steins as owners who are willing to spend more than ANY othe franchise to put a winning team on the field. We have Cash (with Hal's approval on big decisions) in NY running things with input from the "Tampa Committee".
So Hank can say anything he wants and I've learned to laugh it off as Hank being Hank, because it really doesn't matter. Because bottom line, other than spending maybe too much of his OWN money to bring back some players, he supports (and pays for) THE PLAN.
Why does anyone care what Hank Steinbrenner says? When he starts doing things that screw the Yankees, then come talk to me.
If he's willing to invest in the Yankees, I'm thrilled to take Hank and his mouth over the overwhelming majority of the Pohlads (cheapskates) or Angeloses (basically an evil creature of doom) out there.
people don't care but there is no actual baseball news happening at the moment so they'll jump on anything.
teknetic
10-17-08, 12:02 PM
Taken from TBT's thread in the other forum;
Also attending the meetings was co-chairman Hal Steinbrenner, team president Randy Levine, chief operating officer Lonn Trost, general manager Brian Cashman, assistant general manager Jean Afterman, vice presidents Mark Newman, Gene Michael and Felix Lopez, and advisers Reggie Jackson and Tino Martinez.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3647638
Looks like Hal is in this this by himself, thankfully.
THEBOSS84
10-17-08, 12:08 PM
Taken from TBT's thread in the other forum;
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3647638
Looks like Hal is in this this by himself, thankfully.
Do you know why that sentence started with "Also"? It meant aside from Hank, the following attended the meeting.
Mantle'sMutt
10-17-08, 12:13 PM
I recall a time back around 1998 or so when Hank said he had no real interest at all in the operations of the Yankees and was happy running the Steinbrenner race horse concern. It was, mostly, a happier time, then. ;)
teknetic
10-17-08, 12:36 PM
Do you know why that sentence started with "Also"? It meant aside from Hank, the following attended the meeting.
Heh, I suck at reading apparently. I didn't read the full article, so that's my excuse.
THEBOSS84
10-17-08, 12:41 PM
Heh, I suck at reading apparently. I didn't read the full article, so that's my excuse.
I'll give you a pass. I apparently confuse you sometimes as well.
SoCal Pinstriper
10-31-08, 06:46 PM
"There's nothing we are not looking at," Steinbrenner said Friday at the Yankees' spring training complex. "And personally, I like Manny. He's one of the greatest hitters in the history of the game. He's a free spirit for sure, but he knows how to win. We like some of the other guys, too. We just don't know yet." http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3675877&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines
yankeesrule2000
10-31-08, 08:04 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3675877&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines
Uh oh, Manny is coming to NY lol
mrmike98
10-31-08, 08:10 PM
By saying what he did about Manny, Hank gave Boros a boner!
RhodyYanksFan
11-01-08, 08:50 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3675877&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines
http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/facepalm.jpg
Sigh.
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/facepalm.jpg
Sigh.
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
I think Hank failed History.
aeromac76
11-01-08, 09:13 AM
Uh oh, Manny is coming to NY lol
I might be in the minority with this, but I am cool with that move..
Getting a hitter of this caliber without giving anything up but cash is something I would do, and he'll be pissed off and motivated to beat the Sox.
When he is motivated, he is an asteroid headed towards earth with a bat, you may as well just bend over and kiss your a$$ goodbye if you are a pitcher..
RhodyYanksFan
11-01-08, 09:43 AM
I might be in the minority with this, but I am cool with that move..
Getting a hitter of this caliber without giving anything up but cash is something I would do, and he'll be pissed off and motivated to beat the Sox.
When he is motivated, he is an asteroid headed towards earth with a bat, you may as well just bend over and kiss your a$$ goodbye if you are a pitcher..
He was only motivated in LA because he wanted to get a new 5 year contract. Once he gets that he'll be back to his old self. Now I think he's a great, great hitter and he more then makes up for his mistakes with his bat, but I don't want the Yankees to be paying him when he's 41.
Sign him for 2 years, and I'd be all for it, but that's just not going to happen so I think the smart move is to stay away.
Look what happens to teams with long deals. They rarely pay off in total. The Mets got Pedro for 1 1/2 years, and since then they've had a Dominican guy who wears #45. The Yankees paid for 4 years of Johnny Damon but got 1 1/2 at best. Same goes for Matsui. I'm done with stuff like this.
Matsui-San
11-01-08, 10:02 AM
I might be in the minority with this, but I am cool with that move..
Me too. I'd prefer Teixeira since he plays great defense at a bigger need position, but if he stays with the Angels or if he's simply too expensive for our tastes, Manny has to be the backup plan. Given that both Abreu and Giambi will be gone next year, we need the kind of pop that Teixeira or Manny could provide.
aeromac76
11-01-08, 10:28 AM
He was only motivated in LA because he wanted to get a new 5 year contract. Once he gets that he'll be back to his old self. Now I think he's a great, great hitter and he more then makes up for his mistakes with his bat, but I don't want the Yankees to be paying him when he's 41.
Sign him for 2 years, and I'd be all for it, but that's just not going to happen so I think the smart move is to stay away.
Look what happens to teams with long deals. They rarely pay off in total. The Mets got Pedro for 1 1/2 years, and since then they've had a Dominican guy who wears #45. The Yankees paid for 4 years of Johnny Damon but got 1 1/2 at best. Same goes for Matsui. I'm done with stuff like this.
I think he'll be motivated to beat the living you know what out of Boston.
I think he'll rub off on Arod, and I think we'll get 3 great offensive years (even if we get snookered on the 4th)
I am in..
Is there a limit on the number of class "A" free agents we can sign. With all the rumors that are going around our lineup might end up looking like this.
Its doable, but it'll kill our farm and make our payroll 250 mil plus.
Damon
Jeter
Manny
Arod
Tex
Holliday
Posada
Nady
Cano
nnysiny
11-01-08, 11:26 AM
Is there a limit on the number of class "A" free agents we can sign. With all the rumors that are going around our lineup might end up looking like this.
Its doable, but it'll kill our farm and make our payroll 250 mil plus.
Damon
Jeter
Manny
Arod
Tex
Holliday
Posada
Nady
Cano
in addition to what i bolded, the Yankees would also be paying a guy $20 mil per year to hit 5th, and giving up major talent to someone hitting 6th. if the Yankees dont win it all in 2009, years 2001-2008 will happen all over again under this scenario
mrmike98
11-01-08, 05:36 PM
in addition to what i bolded, the Yankees would also be paying a guy $20 mil per year to hit 5th, and giving up major talent to someone hitting 6th. if the Yankees dont win it all in 2009, years 2001-2008 will happen all over again under this scenario
I'd have to agree with you on the long term effects of such acquisitions.
mrmike98
11-01-08, 05:37 PM
in addition to what i bolded, the Yankees would also be paying a guy $20 mil per year to hit 5th, and giving up major talent to someone hitting 6th. if the Yankees dont win it all in 2009, years 2001-2008 will happen all over again under this scenario
Furthermore, where's the $ for pitching?
ArodEra
11-01-08, 07:33 PM
Me too. I'd prefer Teixeira since he plays great defense at a bigger need position, but if he stays with the Angels or if he's simply too expensive for our tastes, Manny has to be the backup plan. Given that both Abreu and Giambi will be gone next year, we need the kind of pop that Teixeira or Manny could provide.
Spot on. Offensively, I think that Cashman should make an all out effort to pursue Tex and if that's not doable because of his asking price or team preference, then he should focus on going after Manny.
OldYankeeFan
11-02-08, 08:09 AM
Is there a limit on the number of class "A" free agents we can sign. With all the rumors that are going around our lineup might end up looking like this.
Its doable, but it'll kill our farm and make our payroll 250 mil plus.
Damon
Jeter
Manny
Arod
Tex
Holliday
Posada
Nady
Cano
Your right. It will definately kill the farm. The payroll rising a bit until our farm actually starts producing a homegrown core is OK for me, but I hope we leave the Farm intact right now as there are enough FA available to get the job done and it would give some of our chips a chance to regain some lost value.
Zimmers' Helmet
11-02-08, 09:17 AM
I would much prefer that Manny re-sign with the Dodgers only because it will mean that they won't have money left over to sign Sabathia too.
I have to believe that not re-signing Manny means that the Dodgers will make a strong push for Sabathia. This would be bad news for the Yankees if the rumors are true that Sabathia's first choice is to play in California for a National League team.
THEBOSS84
11-02-08, 09:29 AM
I would much prefer that Manny re-sign with the Dodgers only because it will mean that they won't have money left over to sign Sabathia too.
I have to believe that not re-signing Manny means that the Dodgers will make a strong push for Sabathia. This would be bad news for the Yankees if the rumors are true that Sabathia's first choice is to play in California for a National League team.
You just summed up my thoughts on this subject completely.
OldYankeeFan
11-02-08, 09:33 AM
I would much prefer that Manny re-sign with the Dodgers only because it will mean that they won't have money left over to sign Sabathia too.
I have to believe that not re-signing Manny means that the Dodgers will make a strong push for Sabathia. This would be bad news for the Yankees if the rumors are true that Sabathia's first choice is to play in California for a National League team.
Excellent point. But I don't think there is much to worry about as I think the Yankees are using Hank as their designated smoke blower. I will be shocked if we ended up with Manny. And quite honestly if we can get CC, Tex and AJ or Lowe, we really don't need him.
Zimmers' Helmet
11-02-08, 09:42 AM
You just summed up my thoughts on this subject completely.
Bossman, it seems like we're pretty much on the same page regarding what the Yankees whole off season strategy should be. ;)
Excellent point. But I don't think there is much to worry about as I think the Yankees are using Hank as their designated smoke blower. I will be shocked if we ended up with Manny. And quite honestly if we can get CC, Tex and AJ or Lowe, we really don't need him.
I really don't take anything seriously that comes out of Hank's mouth. It's obvious that the man has verbal diarrhea and loves to see his name in the papers. When Hal or Cashman speak; then I will listen.
CC and Tex are players that the Yankees need in order to fill holes on this roster. We desperately need a #1 starter like CC and we desperately need to upgrade 1B from a defensive standpoint while simultaneously adding a legitimate #3 hitter. Texeira does both.
Manny would be more of a luxury as this team has a plethora of corner OFers and DH's.
I would much prefer that Manny re-sign with the Dodgers only because it will mean that they won't have money left over to sign Sabathia too.
I have to believe that not re-signing Manny means that the Dodgers will make a strong push for Sabathia. This would be bad news for the Yankees if the rumors are true that Sabathia's first choice is to play in California for a National League team.
Q.F.T.
Yankees1962
11-02-08, 01:17 PM
Again, let's see McCourt give a single player 150-180M.
President Kennedy
11-02-08, 02:56 PM
Q.F.T.
Not really. It's probably going to come down to money. If the Yankees blow away everyone else's offer, I doubt Sabathia would turn it down.
ThePinStripes
11-03-08, 04:51 AM
Excellent point. But I don't think there is much to worry about as I think the Yankees are using Hank as their designated smoke blower. I will be shocked if we ended up with Manny. And quite honestly if we can get CC, Tex and AJ or Lowe, we really don't need him.Exactly- Do we really need another bat that will be done in 1-2 years? We already need to fill the Damon, Matsui, Giambi hole and with Jeter and A-rod declining (at least you expect them in the next 2 seasons), we really need to look towards the sub 30 crowd.
aeromac76
11-03-08, 07:40 AM
I am not all that worried about CC Sabathia coming here, I think we'll get him.
The Yankees are prepared to blow everyone away and there is something else that people have not mentioned a lot.
The union.
MLBPA sees their players as having a responsibility to those who will come after them.
Sure, some guys take a few byucks less to play closer to home or re-up with a team.
But when was the last time a player hit full unrestricted free agency and left tens of millions on the table? It simply does no happen.
Now if the Yankees just want to match CA teams offers, we'll lose. But from what I am hearing, the Yankees are in "get your best offer, bring it back to us, and then simply add 40 million". There is no way on earth he turns 40 or 50 million bucks aside.
He won't, and the union won't let him walk away from that. They expect him to set the market. They know the Yankees are all in with a blank check mandate.
They want CC to get more than Johan. The Yankees will do it, no one else will.
Reggievision
11-03-08, 08:04 AM
He won't, and the union won't let him walk away from that. They expect him to set the market. They know the Yankees are all in with a blank check mandate.
If the union attempts to "force" Sabathia to take a more lucrative offer from the Yankees rather than a lesser offer from the team Sabathia would prefer to play for, it will ruin the MLBPA. The media and PR environment would be ripe for a massive backlash.
Zimmers' Helmet
11-03-08, 08:07 AM
I am not all that worried about CC Sabathia coming here, I think we'll get him.
The Yankees are prepared to blow everyone away and there is something else that people have not mentioned a lot.
The union.
MLBPA sees their players as having a responsibility to those who will come after them.
Sure, some guys take a few byucks less to play closer to home or re-up with a team.
But when was the last time a player hit full unrestricted free agency and left tens of millions on the table? It simply does no happen.
Now if the Yankees just want to match CA teams offers, we'll lose. But from what I am hearing, the Yankees are in "get your best offer, bring it back to us, and then simply add 40 million". There is no way on earth he turns 40 or 50 million bucks aside.
He won't, and the union won't let him walk away from that. They expect him to set the market. They know the Yankees are all in with a blank check mandate.
They want CC to get more than Johan. The Yankees will do it, no one else will.
You make some very good points, especially regarding the role of the MLBPA. It's certainly true that they will be leaning heavily on Sabathia to take the best offer; especially if that offer is head and shoulders above the next best offer on the table.
The thing that I would be cautious about is the expectation that the Yankees will blow everyone else out of the water. While I'm sure that the Yankees will be aggressive in their pursuit of Sabathia, let's not forget that there was an expectation that the Yankees would blow everyone out of the water in the Matsuzaka bidding. We all know how that turned out.
Keep in mind that this is no longer George Steinbrenner's Yankees. Hal and Cashman have demonstrated much more financial restraint than George ever did in his hey-day. It's my belief that it will take an offer of 6 years/$160 million to get CC in pinstripes. The question is whether Hal and Cashman will sign off on that kind of contract.
OldYankeeFan
11-03-08, 08:48 AM
The thing that I would be cautious about is the expectation that the Yankees will blow everyone else out of the water. While I'm sure that the Yankees will be aggressive in their pursuit of Sabathia, let's not forget that there was an expectation that the Yankees would blow everyone out of the water in the Matsuzaka bidding. We all know how that turned out.
The only thing that gives me some comfort this time around is that the bidding is not a closed bid as it was with Dice-K. So unless it's NOT about the money they will come back to us to see if we can beat the highest bidder. And I think we will, especially if it's Boston.
It's my belief that it will take an offer of 6 years/$160 million to get CC in pinstripes. The question is whether Hal and Cashman will sign off on that kind of contract.
I agree with you on the offer, and I think we would pull the trigger on that deal.
Zimmers' Helmet
11-03-08, 08:57 AM
The only thing that gives me some comfort this time around is that the bidding is not a closed bid as it was with Dice-K. So unless it's NOT about the money they will come back to us to see if we can beat the highest bidder. And I think we will, especially if it's Boston.
Unless Boston breaks with their own policy of refusing to give out contracts longer than 5 years; it won't be Boston. What concerns me is that the Yankees may be used as nothing more than leverage in negotiations with other teams such as Anaheim or Los Angeles.
This is why the Yankees will literally have to blow away Sabathia with an offer that will clearly be head and shoulders above anything else on the table.
I agree with you on the offer, and I think we would pull the trigger on that deal.
I stated that it will take 6 years /$160 million but it could easily go even higher. Keep in mind that Milwaukee has already offered 4 years/$100 million so $25 million a year is the starting point. It will be very interesting to see how this one plays out.
Rosenthal said that Milwaukee may have offered $100M over 5 years, not 4. So $20M per year may be the actual starting point.
aeromac76
11-03-08, 09:05 AM
If the union attempts to "force" Sabathia to take a more lucrative offer from the Yankees rather than a lesser offer from the team Sabathia would prefer to play for, it will ruin the MLBPA. The media and PR environment would be ripe for a massive backlash.
They won't force him per se, but it is a well known tidbit that the union tries to persuade players to take the highest offer. There is nothing against the rules on that. Their platform is that each player has a responsibility to those who came before and those will come after to make sure the past efforts were not in vain and future efforts result in the largest possible windfall for their clients. It may seem untoward, but there is nothing against it.
Agents may also play a role.
aeromac76
11-03-08, 09:09 AM
You make some very good points, especially regarding the role of the MLBPA. It's certainly true that they will be leaning heavily on Sabathia to take the best offer; especially if that offer is head and shoulders above the next best offer on the table.
The thing that I would be cautious about is the expectation that the Yankees will blow everyone else out of the water. While I'm sure that the Yankees will be aggressive in their pursuit of Sabathia, let's not forget that there was an expectation that the Yankees would blow everyone out of the water in the Matsuzaka bidding. We all know how that turned out.
Keep in mind that this is no longer George Steinbrenner's Yankees. Hal and Cashman have demonstrated much more financial restraint than George ever did in his hey-day. It's my belief that it will take an offer of 6 years/$160 million to get CC in pinstripes. The question is whether Hal and Cashman will sign off on that kind of contract.
The Matsuzaka bidding cannot count here, because it was a blind bid sumbission. There was no negotiation or client contact. If Dice-K was a standard free agent, he is a Yankee now in all liklihood.
And as for financial restraint of Hal and Hank, they have basically held the strings for one year, so that is not a large sample size. And last year's crop of free agents was, at best, underwhelming. This year, the Yankees are coming off a dark October and opening a new stadium. The Yankees profist alone could solve the subprime mortgage mess!!! :) As one sports reporter said the other day, the only thing between the Yankees and a possible $250 million dollar payroll is sympathy for the rest of MLB and a conscience. Neither of which should come into play as a business.
Zimmers' Helmet
11-03-08, 09:13 AM
Rosenthal said that Milwaukee may have offered $100M over 5 years, not 4. So $20M per year may be the actual starting point.
Rosenthal reports that the Brewers offer is for 4 years, not 5.
Here's the link :
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8734330/Brewers-set-to-throw-$100-million-at-CC
The expectation in some baseball circles is that the Brewers will offer left-hander CC Sabathia $100 million for four years.
Such a proposal certainly would get Sabathia's attention as he prepares for free agency, but he surely would command a more lucrative deal on the open market.
The Yankees, Angels and Dodgers are among Sabathia's leading possibilities, and each could give him more than four years and $25 million per season.
Zimmers' Helmet
11-03-08, 09:35 AM
The Matsuzaka bidding cannot count here, because it was a blind bid sumbission. There was no negotiation or client contact. If Dice-K was a standard free agent, he is a Yankee now in all liklihood.
And as for financial restraint of Hal and Hank, they have basically held the strings for one year, so that is not a large sample size. And last year's crop of free agents was, at best, underwhelming. This year, the Yankees are coming off a dark October and opening a new stadium. The Yankees profist alone could solve the subprime mortgage mess!!! :) As one sports reporter said the other day, the only thing between the Yankees and a possible $250 million dollar payroll is sympathy for the rest of MLB and a conscience. Neither of which should come into play as a business.
I realize that the Matsuzaka bidding was blind and that the circumstances regarding Sabathia are much different.
My point was that as fans, we should not have an expectation that the Yankees will simply swoop in and blow away all offers. The media certainly has that expectation but I really don't. If George were still in charge and calling the shots, I wouldn't blink an eye at that possibility.
It's a different ballgame with Cashman and Hal now running the show. They may feel that it would be wiser to sign Burnett and Sheets instead of putting all their eggs in one basket with Sabathia. Personally, I think that this would be a huge mistake but it certainly wouldn't surprise me either.
Yankees1962
11-03-08, 10:24 AM
Rosenthal reports that the Brewers offer is for 4 years, not 5.
Here's the link :
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8734330/Brewers-set-to-throw-$100-million-at-CC
About what I expected which is why the Yankees will offer him at least 7 years at the same per number.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3675877&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines
"I want to see who is the highest bidder," Ramirez said when the Dodgers lost the NL Championship Series.
"Gas is up and so am I."
Great line from Manny. Except gas is back down right now....
eaganmafia
11-03-08, 10:37 AM
"I want to see who is the highest bidder," Ramirez said when the Dodgers lost the NL Championship Series.
"Gas is up and so am I."
Great line from Manny. Except gas is back down right now....
Wait till that election is over and it's $4 bucks a gallon again.
i still don't want manny.
The Dream
07-23-09, 05:09 PM
What's the big deal w/Bernazard taking off his shirt? 2x/month I drop my pants and take it in the ass every time I sign Igawa's check.
roblyo33
07-24-09, 01:48 PM
^^^^^Very classy!!!
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