View Full Version : Is Boras right? Will you stop being a Yankee fan if A-Rod doesn't come back?
rogue588
10-10-07, 03:41 AM
So, according to Boras..
A-Rod (http://www.nypost.com/news/p/rodriguez_alex/rodriguez_alex.htm)'s value to such a network, Boras said, was exemplified when YES' ratings stayed high early this year despite Yankees struggles because fans were drawn to Rodriguez's star power and historic start. Boras also said the Yankees never had drawn 4 million spectators before Rodriguez's arrival in 2004. Boras' point is that his client creates revenue in ad rates and at the turnstiles that should be factored into negotiations. He even invented his own acronym (IPN) to describe a player such as Rodriguez that he claims increases organization value via Iconic magnetism, historic Performance and Network value.
Is this true? Will you stop watching the games on YES if he doesn't come back? Will you stop going to Yankee Stadium (even when v2 opens up)? Were you only a fan because of A-Rod? Will you stop being a Yankee fan?
Centerhero
10-10-07, 03:57 AM
:-padlock-:-padlock-:-padlock-Don't be ridiculous. Once blue, always blue.
rogue588
10-10-07, 04:51 AM
Don't be ridiculous. Once blue, always blue.I know, you know, but someone needs to let Boras in on this...
Reggievision
10-10-07, 04:56 AM
I didn't stop following the Yankees when Graig Nettles went to San Diego, either.
GregPolo
10-10-07, 05:01 AM
You're kidding me, right? My parents named me after a Yankee! :) Once in blue pinstripes, always in blue pinstripes.
JohnnyDamonfan
10-10-07, 05:04 AM
Hell no! IMO if you stop watching after A-rod doesn't come back you are not a true fan. Yes, A-rod is one of the best players on the team and yes without him our 2007 would not be the same. So if A-rod doesn't come back I will be upset and I will be worried about 2008 A LOT. But, I would never become a fan of any other team EVER!.
GoYanks
10-10-07, 05:14 AM
Boras picked the wrong team to play that game with ... the fan base doesn't revolve around one player (and in the remote possibility that it did, that player probably wouldn't be A-Rod). Boras is clearly positioning A-Rod for a move.
gregzzy22
10-10-07, 05:53 AM
I was gonna pick the first option as a joke but its not even worth it. We won without him, we won with him and we'll win without again him if he doesnt want to come back.
b_joseph
10-10-07, 05:56 AM
Ofcourse not...but there will be a lot of people that will.
trappedinrsnation
10-10-07, 06:05 AM
Ofcourse not...but there will be a lot of people that will.
That will leave more room for the rest of us then.
ARod has certainly been a major part of our offense. We led the majors in runs scored and led the AL in HR's, but ARod has never been on a team that won a WS ring. What good is all that offense if it doesn't bring wins. I don't look at ARod as bringing us back from our horrible start; it was the entheusiasm of the kids that made the difference.
Don't get me wrong, I think ARod is a great player and would love to have him back, but at Cashman's terms, not Boras's. ARod IS NOT a difference maker.
What we need to be a winner is to shore up our starting staff and rebuild our bullpen. We should get rid of complainers like Mussina.
Last year we were in the second half of MLteams in ERA. We gave away too many runs to be a consistant winner. Losing ARod would not be painful if we got some good #4 and #5 starters and a middle relief staff.
Andy
BeantownYankee
10-10-07, 06:25 AM
He must be confusing us with Sox fans...:D
Boras is an asshole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Boras is an asshole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Second.
Billy #1
10-10-07, 06:30 AM
If you dressed the Cleveland Indians in pinstripes and they were Yankees; I'd root for them.
It's all about the uniform and team to me; not the man.
They ALL are expendable!
NewEraYanks2527
10-10-07, 06:30 AM
Who the ................ does this guy think he is? A-Rod worth a billion? Yankee fans will abandon their team? Let's get realistic, if A-Rod signs somewhere else tomorrow I'll just be thinking about who the Yankees are gonna go after to be the difference maker...and oh yea I will boo A-Rod when he returns in whatever other uniform he has on. I hope I don't see that scenario but seriously, ................ you Boras you have no idea about fans apparently.
ymike673
10-10-07, 06:56 AM
I stayed a fan when Murcer was traded to the Giants. Why should A Rod leaving change anything:D :D :D :D
yanksphan
10-10-07, 07:01 AM
I'll become a Boras fan.
TheBamTino24
10-10-07, 07:05 AM
This is going to get ugly with Boras.
Rob Rocco
10-10-07, 07:22 AM
I think if Boras expresses that sentiment at the negotiating table he'll be laughed out of the room. Wasn't ARod only just accepted as a true Yankee by most of us this year?
Actually, I still don't. He's a talented mercenary, untill he commits to the Yanks for a long term contract.
Boras might understand the business of baseball, but he hasn't got a clue about Yankee fans.
nyyfanatic85
10-10-07, 07:28 AM
I understand that it is a business- and a vicious one at that- but Boras really is reaching here. I just have a hard time liking the guy.
LuckyLopez
10-10-07, 07:34 AM
Boras isn't talking about fans who were Yankee fans before A-Rod got here. At least not as best as I can tell. He's talking about people brought in by A-Rod. And he's not the first person to credit A-Rod with having a role in increasing revenue. In fact, didn't the Yankees make a big deal about how many season tickets were sold upon his being traded and how they hit $4M for the first time with him? Maybe the Yanks would have just got there the same way without him but it doesn't seem at all a stretch to say that A-Rod IS a draw and that the loss of him is a loss of revenue.
Obviously he's less of a loss to the Yanks then he would be to the Royals. And in the end it might not be a factor worth the Yanks worrying about. But it does seem to be a worthwhile negotiating factor for A-Rod. A-Rod is worth more to a team than just his on field performance. If the Yanks don't care about that, fine. But the other teams bidding will.
The fanbase has plenty of folks who wouldn't leave for anything. It also has plenty of new, casual, and bandwagon fans whose allegiance isn't quite as secure but whose money is just as good.
elsupremo2
10-10-07, 07:42 AM
I stayed a fan when Murcer was traded to the Giants. Why should A Rod leaving change anything:D :D :D :D
I'm with you. Folks like us (admittedly we're a minority) that remember an infield of Ron Blomberg, Horace Clarke, Gene Michael, and Celerino Sanchez aren't going anywhere. In fact, just thinking back on that crew, makes me feel pretty good about today and tomorrow too.
Babe Rules
10-10-07, 08:06 AM
Boras has some talent...
Dr. Gonzo
10-10-07, 08:15 AM
that is one of the most ridiculous comments I have ever heard.
I love arod and want him to stay but that is because he helps my favorite team win.
YankeePride1967
10-10-07, 08:18 AM
There are a lot of Yankee fans that aren't A-Rod fans now.
knickfan23
10-10-07, 08:27 AM
Scott does realize that the Yanks won before Alex showed up? The Yanks will win in the future without Alex on the team. The show DOES go on.
If he doesnt resign, the Yanks will have to trade his offense for betting pitching and bullpen (which better be figured out by April). You can patchwork the offense for a couple of months before the trade deadline and then acquire that piece of offense in July. Beane did it when Giambi left Oakland after 2001. You dont "make up for him", you try to fill in his production from other sources. Perhaps Jeter has a better offensive year. Cano explodes. Melky improves. Abreu (if he's back) increases his production. There are different ways you can go about it. There is no one set model.
forfun2328
10-10-07, 08:28 AM
Um yeah I will really miss him CHOKING in post season @@ Go on with your bad self A-ROD. I have a close contact with someone involved in this, and even they are over him.
hardrain
10-10-07, 08:31 AM
I want A-Rod back, but if he leaves, you turn the page and hope the new guy works out. What can you do? I will always be a Yankee fan.
destelle
10-10-07, 08:32 AM
That is a ridiculous comment from Boras, although we shouldn't be surprised, he's positioning Alex for a big(ger) payday, should he opt out.
I am hoping Alex stays, but I won't be rooting for his new team should he decide to leave.
:NY: all the way!
yanksphan
10-10-07, 08:34 AM
can Boras play 3rd?
SINCE77 2
10-10-07, 08:34 AM
I admire the player but I am a born in the Bronx Yankee fan now and forever more. Thanks for the memories Alex.
forfun2328
10-10-07, 08:35 AM
Hey, IF A-Rod leaves, who would you want to replace him?
4bronxbombers
10-10-07, 08:37 AM
that is one of the most ridiculous comments I have ever heard.
I love arod and want him to stay but that is because he helps my favorite team win.
I agree.....and Boras is crafty. I'm sure this is all part of the plan to stir the pot.
junkman73
10-10-07, 08:38 AM
Hey, IF A-Rod leaves, who would you want to replace him?
Joe Crede...reminds me a lot of Brosius...great glove, more than adequate bat. No Arod, but not too many people are. And he woudn't cost much coming off an injury.
forfun2328
10-10-07, 08:39 AM
I would like to see a fresh face. Anyone follow the Somerset Patriots? They had a player that played 3rd base that was really good.
YanksFanTillDeath
10-10-07, 08:40 AM
Damn this guy is good but a P rick at the same time...!!!
Get ready for a fun Nov, this points that Alex is opting out...
Joe Crede...reminds me a lot of Brosius...great glove, more than adequate bat. No Arod, but not too many people are. And he woudn't cost much coming off an injury.
Crede is interesting, still young coming off a terrible year and the White Sox already have that Josh Fields kid to replace him so they dont really need him. We could get him for cheap but we would have to hope he returns to his 2006 form.
poisonpill
10-10-07, 08:49 AM
I was gonna pick the first option as a joke but its not even worth it. We won without him, we won with him and we'll win without again him if he doesnt want to come back.
Haven't won it ALL with him though -- nobody has.
Mr. Mxylsplk
10-10-07, 09:00 AM
Boras isn't talking about fans who were Yankee fans before A-Rod got here. At least not as best as I can tell. He's talking about people brought in by A-Rod. And he's not the first person to credit A-Rod with having a role in increasing revenue. In fact, didn't the Yankees make a big deal about how many season tickets were sold upon his being traded and how they hit $4M for the first time with him? Maybe the Yanks would have just got there the same way without him but it doesn't seem at all a stretch to say that A-Rod IS a draw and that the loss of him is a loss of revenue.
That's exactly right. A-Rod isn't the yankees, and the fanbase doesn't belong to him. And Boras isn't saying that. But A-Rod is a superstar people enjoy seeing, and he's a massive contributor to the team's success, and people enjoy seeing a successful team. He does contribute to the team's financial success, and Boras is correct to say that. Would A-Rod create a billion dollars of value for some team over the next decade? I don't think so, and I doubt Boras does either. He's doing what he does, providing spin and hyperbole to hype his asset. But he's certainly right that A-Rod's worth some pretty big number to whatever team signs him, and the yankees certainly know that without Boras telling them.
I would like to see a fresh face. Anyone follow the Somerset Patriots? They had a player that played 3rd base that was really good.
He was - for the Patriots. But I don't think Jeff Nettles would make it with the Yankees. Unless you meant Lipso Nava who played for them about a half dozen years ago. He wouldn't make it either.
They do have a middle reliever that could help us - that is, if he gave up his managerial job. Sparkey Lyle could still do better than half the relievers on our team.
Andy
forfun2328
10-10-07, 09:09 AM
That team is pretty good. Ahhh Sparky Lyle! Awesome!
bostonyankeefan
10-10-07, 09:10 AM
I like A-Rod and think that he is a once in a lifetime player, but it will take a lot more than A-Rod's departure for me to stop being a Yankee fan.
Maynerd
10-10-07, 09:11 AM
He played for a couple other teams before arriving in New York. He was an All-Star before ever suiting up in the Bronx. He won two MVPs in pinstripes, including a year truly for the ages. Unthinkable for him to play anywhere else, right Boras?
Not so much. I'm talking about Roger Maris, and I don't recall any Yankee fans staying away after Roger went to St Louis.
forfun2328
10-10-07, 09:14 AM
Great post Maynerd. Many others have had the same experience as well.
BBombers85
10-10-07, 09:17 AM
A player doesn't define the team. The team defines a player. I'm a fan of the team. A-rod doesn't make the team for me, but he is big part of it's success. No one can make me change what team I love.
yankeesnumber1
10-10-07, 09:17 AM
Boras is a moron and should be regarded as such
Hitman23
10-10-07, 09:17 AM
you gotta be kidding me. I am absolutely furious with this entire team right now, but I am a Yankee fan for life. Until the day I die. this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The Yanks can go 114-48 or 48-114 and I still watch every game I possibly can.
nyy_nyc
10-10-07, 09:18 AM
Despite the great stats, MVP, etc. - ARod has always rubbed me the wrong way and I never have confidence in him in big spots. I certainly will not be unhappy if he chooses to go.
RhodyYanksFan
10-10-07, 09:23 AM
As Branch Rickey said once...we lost with you, we can lose without you.
But seriously, I think it's well known that we root for laundry. I will never fault a player for leaving for more money; especially in today's MLB so while I'll be upset if the best player in baseball leaves my favorite team, I'll understand why. I'm a Yankees fan first, Alex Rodriguez fan second.
ChinMusic
10-10-07, 09:24 AM
Joe Crede...reminds me a lot of Brosius...great glove, more than adequate bat. No Arod, but not too many people are. And he woudn't cost much coming off an injury.
Hawk says he's better than ARod too.
Either Boras is stupid or he needs to catch up with his Yankee history.
DEADSOX
10-10-07, 09:27 AM
ARod IS NOT a difference maker
Do we even make it to the postseason without him? absolutely not. It's one thing to not like arod, but to say he's not a difference maker is taking it WAY to far.
Im sure arod did bring a lot of new fans to the Yankees and it probably would affect the attendence if he were to leave. He's a walking marketing ploy. Of course all of us would keep watching the Yankees, but think about how many bandwagon fans are out there that watch the yankees b/c of him, I would bet its a few hundred thousand. This man brings lots of money in return for all he's paid.
Alot of the replies here are the reason people dont like yankee fans... we're cocky. There's millions of fans that will always love the Yankees... but there's also millions that are bandwagoners.
Game4Tino
10-10-07, 09:31 AM
The biggest problem that ARod has and has had anywhere that he has played, is the perception that he holds himself in high regard. He has even gone so far as to make the foolish statement about his days in Texas as "Me and 24 kids". Now, I don't know if the guy is really an egomaniac, but when his agent comes out with those statements, they are going to reflect on Alex. Conveniently, for the media's purposes, the statements were not made news until after the Yankees bowed out of the Playoffs, but if you don't do any investigation into those statements, you would think they were made the day after the Yankees were eliminated and I'm sure that would rub a rather large portion of the public the wrong way. My point is that Scott Boras has become ARod's biggest ally and worst enemy at the same time. Boras is playing the game with the wrong organization and team. This team has fielded MOST of the greatest players of all time and won more championships that any team in any organized professional sport. The loss of one player is not going to knock the Yankee Universe off it's axis, ever. I really believe in Cashman taking a hard line with this guy if he chooses to opt out. This is The New York Yankees and will continue to be for all time, regardless of who puts on the uniform. There is a reason that the famous pinstripes have no name, of course and if ARod doesn't see that, then I don't want him here.
jlw1980
10-10-07, 09:33 AM
Boras is a tool. If Alex left for MORE money (as if he needs it), then I'd lose almost all respect I have for him. I don't think he's going anywhere.
Ljberkow12
10-10-07, 09:34 AM
Boras is an asshole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He's just doing his job and there is nobody better at it than him. Why do fans take what he says so personally? Boras and Drew Rosenhaus (in football) are simply the best at what they do. Fans hate them for doing their jobs so well. But these guys do their homework and players have the ultimate final say.
SINCE77 2
10-10-07, 09:34 AM
Joe Crede...reminds me a lot of Brosius...great glove, more than adequate bat. No Arod, but not too many people are. And he woudn't cost much coming off an injury.
I would have no problem with him at 3B, but I'm sure a lot of others around these parts would.
4bronxbombers
10-10-07, 09:35 AM
Boras is a tool. If Alex left for MORE money (as if he needs it), then I'd lose almost all respect I have for him. I don't think he's going anywhere.
I agree.....that would be so greedy IMO.
BathroomWaterIsGood
10-10-07, 09:37 AM
Despite the great stats, MVP, etc. - ARod has always rubbed me the wrong way and I never have confidence in him in big spots. I certainly will not be unhappy if he chooses to go.
I agree.
Game4Tino
10-10-07, 09:43 AM
I would have no problem with him at 3B, but I'm sure a lot of others around these parts would.
He's a great glove and a decent bat, but you're talking about needing to get a big bat if ARod is gone. Also, he has had back issues for a couple of years now. I realize he had surgery, but he'll never be the same. Back injuries are the worst, just ask Don Mattingly or Randy Johnson.
AlbanyColonieYankee
10-10-07, 09:48 AM
Boras picked the wrong team to play that game with ... the fan base doesn't revolve around one player (and in the remote possibility that it did, that player probably wouldn't be A-Rod). Boras is clearly positioning A-Rod for a move.
Absolutely...all this talk about the economic impact A Rod would have on a team is not being directed at the Yankees.
silverdsl
10-10-07, 09:59 AM
Boras isn't completely off-base. There are some fans who are fans of specific players more than they are of the teams those players play for. A player like A-Rod also attacts the attention of a lot of baseball fans in general, they might not necessarily be Yankee fans but they're interesting in seeing A-Rod play.
I've always liked A-Rod even before he became a Yankee, and I'll be disappointed if he goes elsewhere, but I'll still be a Yankee fan if he leaves just as much as I ever was. Players come and go.
TheJobaRules
10-10-07, 10:01 AM
I really am impressed with Brian Cashman's stance.....You opt out, you're gone. Casual people who don't really follow the Yankees are having a great time making fun of him right now, blaming him for the loss....But he has rebuilt the farm, and has an eye towards getting rid of the mercenaries. He was even quoted as saying he would like an "all-homegrown team". Not really possible, but a very impressive goal.
So I'm going with Cashman's stance....if you want to opt-out Alex, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
YankeeinCT
10-10-07, 10:01 AM
If A-Rod leaves for the money, I say, goodbye and good riddance. He had an amazing year, but he doesn't seem to have a sincere bone in his body and never seems like he blends well with the team.
Though I don't want to see him play for the Red Sox, particularly.
BRNXBMRS
10-10-07, 10:04 AM
If I was a fan when Len Sakata was playing 3b, what makes Boras think I will stop b/c A-rod walks.?!
njdhockey
10-10-07, 10:06 AM
I have watched the Yankees before A-Rod, I have watched them with A-Rod, and I will continue to watch them forever no matter who is on the team. Lets Go Yankees!
WashingtonYankee
10-10-07, 10:45 AM
Are you kidding me? I'm a Yankees fan for life!
WashingtonYankee
10-10-07, 10:47 AM
Boras is a tool. If Alex left for MORE money (as if he needs it), then I'd lose almost all respect I have for him. I don't think he's going anywhere.
Don't be suprised. That's what he did to people living in Seattle. I lost all respect for him when he left Seattle and went to Texas. He had to earn my trust when he came to NY.
Mantle'sMutt
10-10-07, 10:49 AM
Surely you jest. If I made it THIS long......
freebubba
10-10-07, 10:54 AM
I loved the Yankees before he got here, and I 'll love them when he is gone. To tell you the truth, I may like then even more, if that is possible.
Anyone catch Stephen A. Smith and Rosenhaus (sp?) on ESPN News? Did A-Rod really say "I'll do whatever my agent tells me to" in response to being asked if he plans on opting out?. Both of those guys were completely disgusted by it. Seriously - are you are a grown man or a puppet?And the numbers Boras is throwing around - f*ck you, Scott. As Eric Cartman would say, "Boras, you are a sh*t face c*ck master".
BxBomber44
10-10-07, 11:02 AM
haha whoever voted the other way was lying
heyabbott
10-10-07, 11:07 AM
I would dearly love to ARod on the Yankees. But I was also a die-hard Yankee fan when we had a rotation of:
Tim Leary
Chuck Cary
Dave Lapoint
Andy Hawkins
I'll be a fan next year, with or without ARod.
If he opts out and leaves for a 10/320 contract, I will personally be glad he is gone
BRONXBOMBERS06
10-10-07, 11:12 AM
I live in the heart of Red Sux nation, Been a yankees fan since 76. Whether Arod is here or not I'll be cheering Yankees. We'll be back,,,,
jughead
10-10-07, 11:12 AM
Personally, I stopped being a Yankees fan when Bubba left the team :P
Panamaniac42
10-10-07, 11:13 AM
Of course not but this one would take me longer to get over - the Yankees are usually not the team that lets go of the superstar in his prime.
montrealer
10-10-07, 11:14 AM
:lol: :lol: :-ponder-: :-ponder-: :roflmao: :roflmao: :uhh: ...NO....
freebubba
10-10-07, 11:15 AM
Would the eleven clowns please show themselves
heyabbott
10-10-07, 11:15 AM
Personally, I stopped being a Yankees fan when Bubba left the team :P
I miss Clay Belinger a little but...;)
heyabbott
10-10-07, 11:16 AM
Would the eleven clowns please show themselves
Probably 8 Red Sox fans and 3 of bobby jr's alias'
Soriambi
10-10-07, 11:17 AM
I love A-rod, and he's probably the biggest difference maker in MLB, but of course I'll still be a Yankee fan if he goes. Every player on the Yankees could leave for another team this off-season and I'd still be a fan. I highly doubt that many Yanks fans on this forum (unless they're just a huge A-rod fan who change teams whenever A-rod switches teams. I'm not saying any thing negative about that kind of fandom, for the record.) will abandon the Yanks. I don't think there are many people who post here who are extremely casual baseball fans, and even casual fans are probably still going to like the Yankees.
It could drop attendance, though, as people who aren't really a fan of any team or who are non Yanks fans and want to see A-rod play might not show up as much.
BRONXBOMBERS06
10-10-07, 11:19 AM
Of course not but this one would take me longer to get over - the Yankees are usually not the team that lets go of the superstar in his prime.
Not for 10yrs - $ 300-400 Mil
BrandonA33
10-10-07, 11:23 AM
This franchise has had too many iconic players over its existance for anyone to stop following because AROD leaves. Some of you may have grown up in the Mantle years, does AROD leaving trump the childhood memories of the Mick??? Heck no.
I grew up in the futile 80's, Donny Baseball. I was in HS for 96, and college for 97, 98, 2000. Nothing could take those memories from me, no player leaving make me change my team!
Why does everyone pay so much attention to Scott Boras? He does this with all of his players, he's just doing more with Arod cause he's better than the other ones. Remember Damon's free agent year? When he basically invented some scientific reports about how Jeter going back to the 2 hole would make him the greatest hitter ever and thus Damon was worth $85 mil?
Its rhetoric to drive the price up, which in a sense is A) part of his job and B) his modus operandi. why is everyone getting offended over and over... Obviously we are not going to stop being Yankee fans, but bandwagon fans ARE attracted by Arod
Scott Boras is just really, really good at what he does, which is getting maximum return on an asset. He's not breaking any rules, he can say what he pleases
In Mo I Trust
10-10-07, 11:32 AM
Why does everyone pay so much attention to Scott Boras? He does this with all of his players, he's just doing more with Arod cause he's better than the other ones. Remember Damon's free agent year? When he basically invented some scientific reports about how Jeter going back to the 2 hole would make him the greatest hitter ever and thus Damon was worth $85 mil?
Its rhetoric to drive the price up, which in a sense is A) part of his job and B) his modus operandi. why is everyone getting offended over and over... Obviously we are not going to stop being Yankee fans, but bandwagon fans ARE attracted by Arod
Scott Boras is just really, really good at what he does. He's not breaking any rules, he can say what he pleases
Exactly, he does this all the time, it is his job, and it works for his clients. He also recently said that Andruw Jones will be getting $20 million per after hitting .220...... Although his numbers are surely inflated, Arod is a huge gate draw, and the Yankee attendance figures have skyrocketed since his arrival, something he surely played a significant factor in.
TheTinoMobile
10-10-07, 11:34 AM
Alex Rodriguez will disappear from the media spotlight if he goes to a team like the Dodgers or the Giants. They're not big enough markets. It will be like Alex in Texas all over again.
Hitman23
10-10-07, 11:35 AM
Why does everyone pay so much attention to Scott Boras? He does this with all of his players, he's just doing more with Arod cause he's better than the other ones. Remember Damon's free agent year? When he basically invented some scientific reports about how Jeter going back to the 2 hole would make him the greatest hitter ever and thus Damon was worth $85 mil?
Its rhetoric to drive the price up, which in a sense is A) part of his job and B) his modus operandi. why is everyone getting offended over and over... Obviously we are not going to stop being Yankee fans, but bandwagon fans ARE attracted by Arod
Scott Boras is just really, really good at what he does, which is getting maximum return on an asset. He's not breaking any rules, he can say what he pleasesThat may be all well and good and true but it still offends me as a life long Yankee fan and I deserve the right to call Boras an idiot for making dumb comments as much as he deserves the right to make dumb comments.
MassNYYfan
10-10-07, 11:35 AM
Boras being Boras.
Of course any "True Yankee Fan™" ( :lol: ) is staying with the Yankees if AROD leaves.
I want him back, but it's his (or his agents, not sure who wears the pants in that family) decision.
I might even become more of a fan because of the adversity an A-Rodless team will face.
nycdoc999
10-10-07, 11:38 AM
Did Alex not learn ANYTHING from his first contract??
If you take the most money and don't really have a chance to win because you've financially handcuffed your team, you're bound to be unhappy.
If he goes to LAAA for 10y/$325M, they are paying A-Rod and Vlad $47M a year. How are they gonna pay Lackey, Escobar, K-Rod, Scott Shields, etc? Arte doesn't want a $150M payroll. Some of those players will walk. LAAA will be good, but with all of those resources committed to 2 players, I'm not sure long term they'll be able to truly compete and win...
JfromJersey
10-10-07, 11:39 AM
You don't stop being a fan, but to be honest, I'll be very depressed if he leaves. If he winds up in Boston, the hub of the baseball universe will no longer be NY. It's a sad truth. Another truth is that it will negatively affect stadium attendance. Attendance always spikes when stars are present, sometimes regardless of how well the team is actually doing. Of the 4 million plus fans who showed up, how many do you think spend time on Yankee websites like this? If the team gets off to another slow start next year without Arod, I guarantee it will negatively affect attendance.
heyabbott
10-10-07, 11:39 AM
ARod's worth 30 million a year for the regular season but he has to pay back 29.9 million in the post season.
That may be all well and good and true but it still offends me as a life long Yankee fan and I deserve the right to call Boras an idiot for making dumb comments as much as he deserves the right to make dumb comments.
I dont understand how his comments are dumb. First of all they are true if exaggerated, seeing as Arod DOES bring a ton of casual fans in and we didnt have 4 mil in attendance before he came (obviously 4 million isn't just him, but he has a tangible effect on it). He never said lifelong fans will leave if Arod leaves. Secondly, its a sales pitch to increase his clients' value, which is not dumb, its smart
Baseball is business... the only time it isn't is on the field. I feel like everyone harbors an illusion that its tradition and history and loyalty OFF the field too, when its not. I dont find the business side particularly entertaining, so i just ignore it. People can do what they want, but I think its a waste of time to get offended when its just a businessman doing his job and doing it well
scooterfan
10-10-07, 11:40 AM
This franchise has had too many iconic players over its existance for anyone to stop following because AROD leaves. Some of you may have grown up in the Mantle years, does AROD leaving trump the childhood memories of the Mick??? Heck no.
I grew up in the futile 80's, Donny Baseball. I was in HS for 96, and college for 97, 98, 2000. Nothing could take those memories from me, no player leaving make me change my team!
Well-said, Brandon
Speaking of the 80s, the last time I got seriously miffed at George was when he dumped Yogi in 1985, and Yogi vowed never to return to the Stadium. I didn't stop rooting for the Yankees - I just was ticked at George.
No disrespect to ARod, but I'd be a lot more upset if the team lost Andy, Jorge, or Mo this offseason. And as much as I thought Bernie was done, I would still miss Bernie more than ARod. That's not talking baseball talent - that's pure gut feeling...
How is Boras's quote implying you bigtime Yankee fans will stop being fans? I dont get it, I feel like the thread title is biasing everyone to think that
Hell there isnt even a link to the article in the main post. The thread title is completely fabricated and its designed to get people angry
roblyo33
10-10-07, 12:04 PM
First, let me say, if A-Rod stays or goes, it will have no bearing on my Yankee fandom. I love him, he's the best player in baseball and is a joy to watch but, we will survive without him. Having been a Yankee fan since The Mick's rookie year, I've seen a lot of good (Billy Martin) to great (Roger Maris) players leave the team and the Yankees continue to be the best sports franchise in the world.
As far as the attendance issue is concerned, with or without A-Rod, the Yankees will draw well over 4 million for the forseeable future due to next year being the last year of the "Real Yankee Stadium" and, any new stadium in any market is, usually, sold it for the first four or five years after it's opening. So, Mr. Boras' doesn't have that wedge on the Yankees.......IMHO.
nnysiny
10-10-07, 12:06 PM
considering ive always been a Yankee fan and never a personal fan of ARod, this choice is obvious
BillBuckner
10-10-07, 12:15 PM
You're joking, right?
Mr. Mxylsplk
10-10-07, 12:17 PM
That may be all well and good and true but it still offends me as a life long Yankee fan and I deserve the right to call Boras an idiot for making dumb comments as much as he deserves the right to make dumb comments.
What's offensive about it?
BigCheese
10-10-07, 12:19 PM
I'd like him back because I think it'll help us win...
... but if he leaves, it'll set up some intriguing new challenges for Cashman and the team, so I won't feel too bad.
It might be interesting to have the team go into the 2008 season with a "you can't win without A-rod" chip on their shoulder.
Game4Tino
10-10-07, 12:20 PM
What's offensive about it?
I think he's speaking to the fact that Boras is spinning this to say that without ARod people wouldn't tune in to the YES network or even care about the Yankees anymore. He brings a lot to the table, but nowhere near what Boras is building a case for. This guy makes me long for the days where Joe DiMaggio and Mickey Mantle had to beg for a raise. ;)
Hitman23
10-10-07, 12:22 PM
What's offensive about it?I realize there is a certain number, a large number, of Yankee fans who are front-runners. And that is fine, I can live with that. However, as a whole if you speak with fans of other teams they view Yankee fans for the most part as front runners. Yeah they know a handful of them who are intelligent and realistic, but you'd be hard pressed to find a fan of any other team who doesn't feel that way. I'm not happy with that but I deal. When I see a ridiculous statement like that that just adds to the perception of how a Yankee fan is pre-judged, in the press, it offends me. I just don't like it.
Yankees13
10-10-07, 12:23 PM
So, according to Boras..
A-Rod (http://www.nypost.com/news/p/rodriguez_alex/rodriguez_alex.htm)'s value to such a network, Boras said, was exemplified when YES' ratings stayed high early this year despite Yankees struggles because fans were drawn to Rodriguez's star power and historic start. Boras also said the Yankees never had drawn 4 million spectators before Rodriguez's arrival in 2004. Boras' point is that his client creates revenue in ad rates and at the turnstiles that should be factored into negotiations. He even invented his own acronym (IPN) to describe a player such as Rodriguez that he claims increases organization value via Iconic magnetism, historic Performance and Network value.
Is this true? Will you stop watching the games on YES if he doesn't come back? Will you stop going to Yankee Stadium (even when v2 opens up)? Were you only a fan because of A-Rod? Will you stop being a Yankee fan?
You're missing the point. Maybe on a Friday night, so I'll just go out earlier, and won't stick around to see what A-Rod does. Maybe I won't buy tickets around when I think he's going to hit a milestone (which I did, and nailed it thankfully). Maybe there won't be any postseason tickets to buy with him gone. Also you're asking the wrong group of fans. We're diehards, Boras is talking about the casual or one step above casual fans.
Mr. Mxylsplk
10-10-07, 12:25 PM
I think he's speaking to the fact that Boras is spinning this to say that without ARod people wouldn't tune in to the YES network or even care about the Yankees anymore.
But Boras said nothing of the sort.
Mr. Mxylsplk
10-10-07, 12:26 PM
When I see a ridiculous statement like that that just adds to the perception of how a Yankee fan is pre-judged, in the press, it offends me. I just don't like it.
What statement?
Hitman23
10-10-07, 12:28 PM
What statement?that people are going to the Stadium for arod.
Yankee fans go to the Stadium to see the Yankees.
that people are going to the Stadium for arod.
Yankee fans go to the Stadium to see the Yankees.
I dont see how that would be unique to Yankee fans. He's the best player, hes part of the draw
I've loved almost every minute of having ARod on the team--the good and the bad times. But I have to be honest and say that every time Boras makes a comment to the press about ARod it creates a negative impression in my mind of ARod. I don't know if ARod shares Boras' sentiments or not, but if he doesn't he ought to ask him to tone it down a bit. Although as a fan I would hate to lose ARod, there are times when it seems it wouldn't be so bad if we didn't have to endure Boras' grandiose posturing so much.
bronxburning
10-10-07, 12:32 PM
Arod may draw the casual fans to the Stadium and YES but the fans in this forum are die hards. It would be ashamed if he leaves the Yankees and not fulfill his quest for a WS Championship and bring the all-time HR title back to New York. He can go to the Angels and Mets, Cubs and even the RedSox and try his chances there but it will not be the same because he will always be known as the guy who couldn't cut it in New York. I think he will take a little less and come back to the the Yanks. Perhaps 8 years @ $35M each.
If not, the Yanks can use that money for someone like Santan.
Game4Tino
10-10-07, 12:32 PM
But Boras said nothing of the sort.
C'mon, he didn't speak those exact words, but you and I and Boras and a countless others know that anyone loyal to the team is going to interpret his statements this way. As someone has suggested here, Boras is speaking to the casual fanbase more than the die hards.
I think I'm going to go find a random quote somebody made and then start a thread and title it something that makes its sound very inflammatory and see how many people actually read the quote
Hitman23
10-10-07, 12:33 PM
I dont see how that would be unique to Yankee fans. He's the best player, hes part of the drawYankee fans are going to go to the Stadium whether A-Rod is there or not. The comment is dumb.
JeffWeaverFan
10-10-07, 12:34 PM
Well he's right that A-Rod puts more people in the stands.
Yankee fans are going to go to the Stadium whether A-Rod is there or not. The comment is dumb.
Sure I will and you will and most of the people who post on an internet fan site during the offseason will (we are obviously diehards), but you really think having the league MVP who could easily break the all-time HR record doesn't add to the ticket demand? He speaks the truth, with some exaggeration (which is what a salesman lives on)
JfromJersey
10-10-07, 12:35 PM
The reason I became a yankee fan was because of the players not the uniform. I grew up in Brooklyn, and I could have easily become a Dodger fan if my Dad cared about baseball and took me to games at Ebbets field. I pretty much discovered baseball on my own, and it was through the exploits of Mantle and Yogi that I started following the Yankees. Yankee tradition meant nothing to me as a 7 year old. After Mantle retired, during the doldrums of the Horace Clarke years, I didn't become a Met or Dodger fan, but I lost interest in baseball for a long time. It took a new influx of major talent in the mid 70s to rekindle my interest again. Winning breeds fandom but you need talented players to win. I'll bet tens of thousands of kids who just started getting interested in baseball decided to become Yankee fans because of Arod this year, not because of Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, Munson, Mattingly, or even Jeter, or because the Yankees won 26 titles in their fabled past.
Hitman23
10-10-07, 12:36 PM
Sure I will and you will and most of the people who post on an internet fan site during the offseason will, but you really think having the league MVP who could easily break the all-time HR record doesn't add to the ticket demand? He speaks the truth, with some exaggeration (which is what a salesman lives on)Didn't the Yanks break the attendance record last year while A-Rod was getting boo'd and having his off year? He wasn't what you'd call a draw at all unless you think people were going there just to boo him.
Murcer1
10-10-07, 12:36 PM
I've been a Yankee fan since before A-Rod was born... I somehow doubt his departure would change that.
iWant27
10-10-07, 12:37 PM
What kind of question is that ?
So if A-Rod doesnt come back , why would Yankee fans not like Yankees .
Didn't the Yanks break the attendance record last year while A-Rod was getting boo'd and having his off year? He wasn't what you'd call a draw at all unless you think people were going there just to boo him.
Sure. He was probably a bigger story then than he was this year. Besides, he was coming off the MVP year and people were still drawn. The players do matter some
Murcer1
10-10-07, 12:38 PM
Borras is delusional.
What kind of question is that ?
So if A-Rod doesnt come back , why would Yankee fans not like Yankees .
Ask the thread starter, Boras didnt say that
Mr. Mxylsplk
10-10-07, 12:39 PM
C'mon, he didn't speak those exact words, but you and I and Boras and a countless others know that anyone loyal to the team is going to interpret his statements this way. As someone has suggested here, Boras is speaking to the casual fanbase more than the die hards.
Boras is saying that A-Rod increases the number of people who come to the game or watch on TV. Is that shocking or controversial? Of course A-Rod brings in fans. So do Jeter, Mo, Rocket. Everyone on the planet knows that the yanks sold tons of tickets before A-Rod was here, and everyone knows they'll sell tons when he's gone. But it's pretty clearly true that he's a draw personally and a draw in how he makes the team better, and Boras is right to point that out. Of course he's describing the casual fanbase more than the diehards, but he's talking about business, and business-wise the casual fans are a lot more important, since they're the ones who need a reason to come to the ballpark or turn on the game. Obviously Boras is exaggerating A-Rod's impact, but I really don't see how anyone can get bent out of shape about him saying, basically, "A-Rod is good for business".
Hitman23
10-10-07, 12:40 PM
Sure. He was probably a bigger story then than he was this year. Besides, he was coming off the MVP year and people were still drawn. The players do matter someI can take a step back and admit that this year, A-rod put asses in the seats. I don't believe that so much for prior years and the Yankees attendance has been steadily increasing for a long time. The Yankees themselves are the draw and I believe if A-Rod left it would at the least remain at the same level it was this year and last.
Not to mention since next year is the last year of MLB at Yankee Stadium they are going to draw a ton of fans. I'm sure the opening of the new stadium will do the same.
RhodyYanksFan
10-10-07, 12:41 PM
How much has attendance fallen in Texas since he left?
boras is going to make create a lot of a-rod haters in ny. A-rod got rid of all of them this year, and boras is simply going to undo that by opening his greedy mouth
Mr. Mxylsplk
10-10-07, 12:42 PM
that people are going to the Stadium for arod.
Well it's a good thing Boras didn't say that then. I think you're really kidding yourself if you don't think A-Rod has a positive impact on ticket sales and the tv draw. Fans respond to exciting players and good teams. A-Rod is the former and contributes to the latter. Pretty simple.
I can take a step back and admit that this year, A-rod put asses in the seats. I don't believe that so much for prior years and the Yankees attendance has been steadily increasing for a long time. The Yankees themselves are the draw and I believe if A-Rod left it would at the least remain at the same level it was this year and last.
Theres no question a ton of demand is there without Arod, but I doubt its just as high
The Yankees themselves are the draw
What does this mean? Of course diehard fans are going anyway, so the organizations' goal is to attract the non-diehard. The Yankees are a collection of players, and having good ones draws people
Hitman23
10-10-07, 12:49 PM
ok.... I concede. I'm not into getting into battle on a message board today I don't have it in me I've had a really rough couple of days. Sure.
ok.... I concede. I'm not into getting into battle on a message board today I don't have it in me I've had a really rough couple of days. Sure.
Haha cool. I probably shouldnt be paying this so much attention either, I guess it just irritates me that most of the angst in this thread is because the thread starter deliberately misrepresented Boras's comments to inflame people against him. Its like watching a partisan newspaper put spin on Every Single Thing that happens
I dont care about Boras, but he's just doing business, he always has
rogue588
10-10-07, 12:54 PM
Hell there isnt even a link to the article in the main post. The thread title is completely fabricated and its designed to get people angry
I think I'm going to go find a random quote somebody made and then start a thread and title it something that makes its sound very inflammatory and see how many people actually read the quoteYes, that's exactly what I did. Not much misrepresentation here..
PRICE OF GLORY (http://www.nypost.com/seven/10102007/sports/yankees/price_of_glory.htm)
By JOEL SHERMAN
October 10, 2007 -- Forget about Alex Rodriguez giving any significant discounts to the Yankees.
In fact, his agent, Scott Boras sold his top client not only as Babe Ruth, but also as a TV star with as much value to a regional sports network such as YES as Jerry Seinfeld once had to NBC.
And Boras also slyly noted that among the organizations that run regional sports network are the Yankees' main two nemeses, the Mets and the Red Sox, and that the Angels are considering starting one next year. The Angels have been heavily linked to A-Rod should he opt out of his contract.
Boras clearly is aiming to outdo Rodriguez's current 10-year, $252 million contract. Boras has indicated in the past that the first $30 million-plus-a-year player is near.
"What I think it is hard for fans and everyone to understand is we have a new dynamic in baseball, and it is the valuation of the regional sports networks," Boras said yesterday by phone.
Boras explained that more franchises, such as the Yankees, own the network on which the club's games are the main programming. Boras said the network values have skyrocketed and the fees paid from the network to the teams exist outside the collective bargaining agreement and, therefore, "serve like a bank to the owners."
A-Rod's value to such a network, Boras said, was exemplified when YES' ratings stayed high early this year despite Yankees struggles because fans were drawn to Rodriguez's star power and historic start. Boras also said the Yankees never had drawn 4 million spectators before Rodriguez's arrival in 2004. Boras' point is that his client creates revenue in ad rates and at the turnstiles that should be factored into negotiations. He even invented his own acronym (IPN) to describe a player such as Rodriguez that he claims increases organization value via Iconic magnetism, historic Performance and Network value.
"Such a player has something people watch independent of a team," Boras said.
Rodriguez will soon see how far the Yanks will go. Between now and 10 days after the World Series, he can opt-out of the final three years and $91 million in his contract, $21 million of which would still be paid by the Rangers.
Since spring, Brian Cashman has vowed the Yankees would keep Rodriguez only if they got the Rangers-created discount. The Yankees GM hedged a bit yesterday by saying that would be his "strong recommendation. But there will be more people in the process."
Cashman's comments came several days after George Steinbrenner was quoted as saying he wants and expects to keep A-Rod. Clearly Cashman knows The Boss will have the final say.
However, the front office has privately thought that if Rodriguez opted out, it would be folly to keep negotiating because it likely would mean Boras has a strong market. Thus, if the Yankees kept negotiating during full free agency they could chase a star all winter who likely would sign elsewhere.
But Boras said it would be "presumptuous" of the Yanks to expect more of a break then the $22 million Texas has paid the past four years to augment Rodriguez's contract. He said it was possible the Yankees could offer enough to keep Rodriguez from opting for free agency. But historically his clients tend to see what the market offers. And in this case, Boras thinks he is dealing with a new market for a unique player.
nnysiny
10-10-07, 12:56 PM
double post
Great. He never says anything close to what you said. You made it up
nnysiny
10-10-07, 12:57 PM
How much has attendance fallen in Texas since he left?
its gone up.
Year Attendance (millions)
1998 2.9
1999 2.8
2000 2.8
2001 2.8
2002 2.4
2003 2.1
2004 2.5
2005 2.5
2006 2.4
bold = with ARod
its gone up.
2003 2.1
2004 (comes to Yankees) 2.5
They won a lot more games that year, they almost made the playoffs so people were still coming in August/September. If you want to blame him for Texas being bad, I guess thats a different story, but he was amazing all 3 years. I dont think he's a negative draw
Hitman23
10-10-07, 01:01 PM
Haha cool. I probably shouldnt be paying this so much attention either, I guess it just irritates me that most of the angst in this thread is because the thread starter deliberately misrepresented Boras's comments to inflame people against him. Its like watching a partisan newspaper put spin on Every Single Thing that happens
I dont care about Boras, but he's just doing business, he always hasIt's cool man. I usually hang in alot longer but I just can't today. Anyway, I agree Boras is doing his job. I can't argue that.
ARoDfan4life
10-10-07, 01:11 PM
I can't speak for any other fan but myself I've followed Alex since he was a Mariner, always wished we had him, but I'm never going to stop rooting for my Yanks, they are the team I fell in love with, w/ that said I would root for Alex and his team wherever he goes and I would be torn on the Yankees and him.
I know people here don't understand this but what Boras said is true, I've noticed more fans eversince Alex got there and specifically the Bronx/Washington Heights latin fans are a big draw to Yankee Stadium, that started when Alex was brought to NYY. 4+ million fans is alot to take for granted even w/ a new stadium coming up.
Alex Rodriguez = more consistant fans showing up, and a big draw in the latin community. Agree or disagree we can't ignore it's a fact. Heck I don't work for the other team but if I were Minaya/Wilpon I'd try and steal him from us, he would make the Mets very very verrrrrrrrrrrrrrry visable.
nnysiny
10-10-07, 01:12 PM
They won a lot more games that year, they almost made the playoffs so people were still coming in August/September. If you want to blame him for Texas being bad, I guess thats a different story, but he was amazing all 3 years. I dont think he's a negative draw
im not saying that hes a negative draw necessarily, but the numbers speak for themselves. they drew the lowest (2.1 mil) in 2003, and that was ARod's first MVP year. it went up in 2004, but the biggest name they added was freakin Kenny Rogers. i think that huge contract just ate up the franchise fanancially.
and for the next contract, $30 mil per year with the luxury tax (40%) ends up to be $42 mil per year. it passes $50 mil per year total once he gets $36 mil per the new contract
Yankees4LifeNYC
10-10-07, 01:18 PM
I will never stop being a Yankees fan! Boras is just doing his job and trying to make more money for his client and himself.... it's business plain and simple.
I love the stance that Cashman has taken but then again it's only his opinion. Bottom line is the it's still George's team and there is now way that George will let him walk. One of his greatest regrets was not re-signing Reggie and I can't see him letting A-Rod go.
Bottom line is that of A-Rod really wants to stay in New York he will. If he opt out he's basically telling the Yanks he's not coming back. It would make the most sense just to give him a 10 year extension and to me an opt out = bye bye.
heyabbott
10-10-07, 01:41 PM
I will never stop being a Yankees fan! Boras is just doing his job and trying to make more money for his client and himself.... it's business plain and simple.
I love the stance that Cashman has taken but then again it's only his opinion. Bottom line is the it's still George's team and there is now way that George will let him walk. One of his greatest regrets was not re-signing Reggie and I can't see him letting A-Rod go.
Bottom line is that of A-Rod really wants to stay in New York he will. If he opt out he's basically telling the Yanks he's not coming back. It would make the most sense just to give him a 10 year extension and to me an opt out = bye bye.
Frankly, I don't think George Steinbrenner has much say in the Yankees anymore. I do feel he's ill with Alzheimers or some related or similar disease. His public statements are scripted and his public appearances have been very limited. He may have episodes of lucidity but he's not in charge or control.
Cashman has earned the fan's trust, let's see what he does.
labor nrrd
10-10-07, 01:54 PM
Jace and Mr. Mxylsplk:
Thanks for pointing out that Boras didn't say what is being implied by the title. I felt like I was taking crazy pills
BronxBombersMRP
10-10-07, 01:57 PM
Stupidest thing I've ever heard. If A-Rod leaving makes you so upset that your no longer a Yankee fan, then your not really a fan at all. I cant understand how this could be true for anyone.
LuckyLopez
10-10-07, 02:05 PM
A-Rod is a draw who people want to see. Who people pay money to see. If that had been stated in another context that didn't hurt the Yankees people would be giving it complete support. Its just that misleading title and the idea that Boras said the fanbase would abandon the Yankees that has people annoyed. But I don't see Boras seeing that anywhere.
He's 100% right. If you moved A-Rod to Shea then there'd be a considerable number of people who would go and buy Mets tickets instead of Yankees tickets because they wished to see A-Rod. Period. Many Yankee fans themselves would buy Mets tickets just to see him play along with their Yankee tickets. The Yankees are a draw. So is A-Rod. And he can draw people that the Yankees don't, or draw EXTRA money out of the same people.
Obviously the population that frequent this board is not a fair representation of all Yankees fans. I'd have to say we all fall into the very-die-hard variety. Therefore, what we think on this matter is of little statistical relevance.
On another note, Boras is doing nothing wrong claiming ARod is a draw. HE IS A DRAW. The man is on pace to SHATTER the HR record. How big of a draw was Bonds for the Giants the last few years??? The main reason they held onto him the last couple years is they couldn't take the attendance hit that him leaving would have caused. Now, I'm not saying the Yanks will take a hit IF ARod leaves (and I'm hoping and praying he doesn't - all-time HR king should be a Yank), because the Yanks are a very huge draw by themselves. But, the impact ARod could have in another market is astronomical.
SheffRocks11
10-10-07, 03:11 PM
haha...what a dumb question. I can't believe even 16 people said they would.
cajunyankee
10-10-07, 03:15 PM
Boras is an asshole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, come on. Community standards.
I stayed a fan when Murcer was traded to the Giants. Why should A Rod leaving change anything
Unless..... are we getting Murcer back?!
JavyVazquezIsSick
10-10-07, 03:17 PM
haha...what a dumb question. I can't believe even 16 people said they would.
:lol: I love how you can see who those 16 people are now.
Spiker101
10-10-07, 03:17 PM
Please.
what a rod does will tell us a lot about a rod, period.
Nuke LaLoosh
10-10-07, 03:23 PM
While names do draw, the Yankees are a media/money machine. Would ratinghs take a dip, maybe, but who knows who they bring in and how the Yankees play. Fair weather fans fans tune in to see winners just like they tune in to see stars. Put a winning team on the field and the Yankees will make money.
Also, the same could be said about Matsui (Japanese sponsors, viewrs etc) and many other big name players. A-Rod is marquee, no doubt, but he is not the only draw in baseball. I bet a few new fans turn out to watch Joba start next year for example.
ps I really want ARod back. Boras is a greedy ruthless agent doing exactly what anyone who hires a greedy ruthless agent would want him to do.
Brooklyn Yankee Fan
10-10-07, 03:32 PM
I will always be a New York Yankee fan. I'd be upset if A-Rod left, but if he does, it won't stop me from being a Yankee fan.
I wonder what goes on in Scott's head. :-ponder-:
frostdude1
10-10-07, 05:05 PM
he's trying to hurt the relationship between us fans and Arod ... but its not gonna work !!
We are YANKEE fans and love Arod because hes a YANKEE !!!
WebsterMulligan
10-10-07, 05:07 PM
I was a Yankee fan before A-Rod was born and I expect I'll be one long after he is gone.
fredgmuggs
10-10-07, 05:10 PM
I was a huge Bobby Murcer fan when I was a kid and when the Yankees traded him to the Giants for Bobby Bonds it broke my heart... but I still remained a Yankees fan.
Now the distasteful Howie Spira/Dave Winfield smear episode really tested my fandom. I came close to leaving the flock because of that one.
CallOfTheCrow
10-10-07, 05:11 PM
Not a chance. I'll be unhappy but still a Yankee diehard.
Mr. Mxylsplk
10-10-07, 05:14 PM
Now the distasteful Howie Spira/Dave Winfield smear episode really tested my fandom. I came close to leaving the flock because of that one.
Agreed, that was tough to take.
bigwampum
10-10-07, 05:15 PM
Tino as a Cardinal...
Andy as an Astro...
Bernie as a ...
I got over those.
That said, BRING BACK A-ROD!
That's exactly right. A-Rod isn't the yankees, and the fanbase doesn't belong to him. And Boras isn't saying that. But A-Rod is a superstar people enjoy seeing, and he's a massive contributor to the team's success, and people enjoy seeing a successful team. He does contribute to the team's financial success, and Boras is correct to say that. Would A-Rod create a billion dollars of value for some team over the next decade? I don't think so, and I doubt Boras does either. He's doing what he does, providing spin and hyperbole to hype his asset. But he's certainly right that A-Rod's worth some pretty big number to whatever team signs him, and the yankees certainly know that without Boras telling them.Agreed - Boras is doing exactly what he's supposed to do. I just hope Cash has the sense to make a solid extension offer, and A-Rod has the sense to take it and not opt-out.
BTW - I think if Joba and Phil and the young guns develop into the players most think they can be, there will be plenty of folks for us to cheer for and plenty of jerseys to buy and so on even if Alex leaves. Hey - if A-Rod opts out we might save a billion dollars in luxury tax money to offset the billion in revenues Boas thinks we'll let fall on the floor. ;) Can we factor that in to Boras' book somehow???
JfromJersey
10-10-07, 05:41 PM
No Yankee fan in his or her right mind is going to stop being a Yankee fan if any one player leaves, no matter how great that player is. But without a player of Arod's magnitude the Yankees will not have the same electricity, pizzazz, call it what you will, and they will not be near the offensive force they were this year when they led the majors in almost every offensive team stat. I also said that he had a very good influence on the young Latino players like Robbie and Melky, and that positive influence will be missed. Also, as mentioned above, there are a lot of people who came to Yankee games primarily to see Arod. They are not real Yankee fans per se, but they count in attendance figures as much as legit fans do.
CallOfTheCrow
10-10-07, 05:44 PM
those 17 people that voted yes should just delete. :)
DEADSOX
10-10-07, 05:47 PM
I think what Boras is doing is making ARod look like a real asshole, so unless thats the way he feels, he needs to come out and say something about it. Remember, Boras works for you ARod, its not the other way around.
Paiglee
10-10-07, 05:47 PM
I hope you don't mind a Sox fan's take on this
What the he&& is Scott Boras smoking?????
Does he know nothing about real baseball fans?
He just seems to go from one absurdity to another.
No wonder certain teams will not even consider signing one of his clients.
CalYankeeFan
10-10-07, 05:51 PM
The Yankees celebrated their 100th Anniversary in 2003....the year before ARod came to New York.........and I started rooting for the Yankees around 1976......to sum up, there was life before ARod and there will be life after....whether he retires as a Yankee or leaves next season.
YanksFan1992
10-12-07, 12:39 PM
Im hoping that the people who voted yes were joking:eek:
I hope you don't mind a Sox fan's take on this
What the he&& is Scott Boras smoking?????
Does he know nothing about real baseball fans?
He just seems to go from one absurdity to another.
No wonder certain teams will not even consider signing one of his clients.
Oh gosh. This has nothing to do with you being a Sox fan- you're just another person that didnt actually read the quote, you just read the thread title and assumed it accurately portrayed what Boras said. It doesn't
Players come and go - some you miss more than others. I would like to see ARod return, but if he doesn't it will not diminish my enthusiasm as a fan toward the Yankees. As a 55 year old fan I have seen the good and the bad. I was a die hard Yankee fan through both and will continue to be whatever decision ARod and the Yankees choose to make.
JOBA RULES
10-12-07, 01:38 PM
Boras is a jackass...that is a absurd statement, A ROD hasn't even won a ring here...yeah he put up amazing numbers but im sure the majority of ppl were yankee fans way before alex...nice try Bor-ass....
gandiacm
10-12-07, 01:43 PM
Boras needs to be careful here... he uses the Yankees to drive up the price on a lot of his clients... if he does gets too nuts with the negotiations then he could lose the Yanks as buyers of his clients services, and therefore deflate the prices for all his future clients. That would hurt him a lot. I think he knows this, and something will be worked out.
nhyankeefan
10-12-07, 01:50 PM
I'm curious why a number of sox fans would vote in this poll. By my count at least three, if not four, of the people who voted yes are sox fans.
yankswn23
10-12-07, 01:54 PM
Anyone who said Yes to this question is an "A-Rod fan" and not a "Yankee fan".
JohnnyDamonfan
10-12-07, 02:19 PM
Anyone who said Yes to this question is an "A-Rod fan" and not a "Yankee fan".
Exactly! The people who quit liking the Yankees just because one player doesn't comee back is not a true Yankee fan. Maybe they liked A-rod on the Mariners or Rangers but I guarentee you the people who don't like the Yankees just because of a team member not coming back is not a true fan. There was life for the Yankees before A-rod. In fact there was more life for the Yankees without A-rod. This goes for any team if you stop watching a team because of one player leaving you're not a die hard fan.
Yes, it will be extremely upsetting especially if it's a team in the American League like Boston or the Angels. But the Yankees are a smart team and if we don't get A-rod I know they have a "Plan B" lined up .
Paiglee
10-13-07, 01:06 PM
Oh gosh. This has nothing to do with you being a Sox fan- you're just another person that didnt actually read the quote, you just read the thread title and assumed it accurately portrayed what Boras said. It doesn't
I did read the entire article. I do not believe that the thread is an incorrect inference to be drawn from the contents of the story. I rarely make assumptions.
i will never stop being a YANKEES fan!!!!
http://re3.mm-a7.yimg.com/image/3966021551
hahaha...boras is ridiculous if he thinks that. i'm sure the yankees got some new fans with arod coming on board, but 100% of the fans i know don't care who's on the field.
__starr69
10-13-07, 01:38 PM
Six Sox fans voted "Yep. I got my (Red Sox/Angels/Cubs/Mets) gear ready to go." Have you stopped beating your wife?
I'm not even going to try to figure it out.
JfromJersey
10-13-07, 05:06 PM
Isn't it obvious that Boras is not talking about the kind of Yankee fan who would belong to this website, but to the casual fan who started attending Yankee games after they got Arod, and could very well stop attending games after he's gone? Superstars are revenue generators regardless of how the team is doing. Watch what happens to Giants' attendance figures when Bonds leaves, if they don't get someone like Arod to replace him.
Yankees1962
10-13-07, 05:17 PM
Isn't it obvious that Boras is not talking about the kind of Yankee fan who would belong to this website, but to the casual fan who started attending Yankee games after they got Arod, and could very well stop attending games after he's gone? Superstars are revenue generators regardless of how the team is doing. Watch what happens to Giants' attendance figures when Bonds leaves, if they don't get someone like Arod to replace him.
The Yankees got a 3-4 year window in which they will sell just about every seat in the house with or without Arod. After that, it's up to how good of a team the Yankees are when it comes to attendance.
brosiusbuddy
10-13-07, 05:52 PM
YES' ratings stayed high because it was April and the season lasts until October.
27th-in 05
10-13-07, 05:54 PM
Are you kidding me? If AROD goes elsewhere, that will just prove that he's been a phony all along about loving the NY and the Yankees, and a few million buck (as if he needs them) led him elsewhere.
I'll be happy if he signs, but if not it will prove a lot to me and I'll say "good riddance".
RIYankee23
10-13-07, 05:55 PM
So, according to Boras..
A-Rod (http://www.nypost.com/news/p/rodriguez_alex/rodriguez_alex.htm)'s value to such a network, Boras said, was exemplified when YES' ratings stayed high early this year despite Yankees struggles because fans were drawn to Rodriguez's star power and historic start. Boras also said the Yankees never had drawn 4 million spectators before Rodriguez's arrival in 2004. Boras' point is that his client creates revenue in ad rates and at the turnstiles that should be factored into negotiations. He even invented his own acronym (IPN) to describe a player such as Rodriguez that he claims increases organization value via Iconic magnetism, historic Performance and Network value.
Is this true? Will you stop watching the games on YES if he doesn't come back? Will you stop going to Yankee Stadium (even when v2 opens up)? Were you only a fan because of A-Rod? Will you stop being a Yankee fan?
You can tell its the dreaded offseason with useless threads like this.
Are you serious???
If someone was only a fan b/c of Arod, then good riddance to them!!!!!!
RIYankee23
10-13-07, 05:56 PM
Are you kidding me? If AROD goes elsewhere, that will just prove that he's been a phony all along about loving the NY and the Yankees, and a few million buck (as if he needs them) led him elsewhere.
I'll be happy if he signs, but if not it will prove a lot to me and I'll say "good riddance".
Exactly, if he's that greedy to hell with him!!!
For the kind of money he's looking for, it wouldn't hurt to get a few big hits in the postseason for once either!!
94.51% in favor of one of two options may be the most overwhelming result I've ever seen for a poll on this site.
A-Rod can't pitch. If we can get the pitching right, losing him won't matter. If we can't, keeping him won't matter either.
Prison Mike
10-13-07, 05:58 PM
A-Rod can't pitch. If we can get the pitching right, losing him won't matter. If we can't, keeping him won't matter either.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
stephsamps
10-13-07, 06:37 PM
The Yankees got a 3-4 year window in which they will sell just about every seat in the house with or without Arod. After that, it's up to how good of a team the Yankees are when it comes to attendance.
Exactly. Everyone is going to want to buy tix next year because its the last in Yankee Stadium. 2009 is the first year in the new stadium and there will be a buzz around it. Boras is talking out of his ass - but that's his usual schtick. And he puts Alex in a no-win situation. People wonder why so much more is expected of Alex... it's not just the huge contract, its the way his people position him.
junebug
10-13-07, 06:57 PM
Will you stop watching the games on YES if he doesn't come back? - Definitely NOT!
Will you stop going to Yankee Stadium (even when v2 opens up)? - No! (I don't get there very often because I do not live in NYC, but that would not stop me from going - it is sad of course).
Were you only a fan because of A-Rod? - Most certainly NOT!
Will you stop being a Yankee fan? - Most certainly NOT!<!-- / message --><!-- Sig Was Here -->
Zimmers' Helmet
10-13-07, 07:06 PM
The Yankees franchise survived and prospered after losing Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Joe DiMaggio, and Mickey Mantle. They will continue to survive and prosper long after A-Rod is gone.
JfromJersey
10-13-07, 07:12 PM
94.51% in favor of one of two options may be the most overwhelming result I've ever seen for a poll on this site.
Posting a poll like that on a Yankee fansite, what did you expect? It's like preaching to the choir.
Just don't forget that not everyone who pays to see a game, or even watch it on YES is a die hard Yankee fan. I don't think it's a coincidence that the Yankees drew 4 million plus in 3 of the 4 years Arod's been here.
bagger015
10-13-07, 07:22 PM
WTF.........Hardly......... :uhh: Bandwagoners may jump ship though.........;)
bamtino
10-13-07, 08:07 PM
:lol: I love how you can see who those 16 people are now.
It's 21 now :lol:
<TABLE class=tborder cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=tcat colSpan=4>View Poll Results: Will you be a Yankee fan if A-Rod doesn't come back? </TD></TR><TR><TD class=alt1 width="50%">Yep. I got my (Red Sox/Angels/Cubs/Mets) gear ready to go. </TD><TD class=alt2 width="50%">http://forums.nyyfans.com/images/polls/bar2-l.gifhttp://forums.nyyfans.com/images/polls/bar2.gifhttp://forums.nyyfans.com/images/polls/bar2-r.gif </TD><TD class=alt1 title=Votes align=middle>21 (http://forums.nyyfans.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=2706)</TD><TD class=alt2 noWrap align=right>5.77%</TD></TR><TR><TD class=alt1 width="50%">Are you kiddin'? I bleed pinstripe blue regardless of who's on the field. </TD><TD class=alt2 width="50%">http://forums.nyyfans.com/images/polls/bar3-l.gifhttp://forums.nyyfans.com/images/polls/bar3.gifhttp://forums.nyyfans.com/images/polls/bar3-r.gif </TD><TD class=alt1 title=Votes align=middle>343 (http://forums.nyyfans.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=2706)</TD><TD class=alt2 noWrap align=right>94.23%</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
To see who the 21 people are go to the poll posted above and click on the underlined number of votes 21 or 343.
nnysiny
10-13-07, 08:11 PM
It's 21 now :lol:
<table class="tborder" align="center" border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="tcat" colspan="4">View Poll Results: Will you be a Yankee fan if A-Rod doesn't come back? </td></tr><tr><td class="alt1" width="50%">Yep. I got my (Red Sox/Angels/Cubs/Mets) gear ready to go. </td><td class="alt2" width="50%">http://forums.nyyfans.com/images/polls/bar2-l.gifhttp://forums.nyyfans.com/images/polls/bar2.gifhttp://forums.nyyfans.com/images/polls/bar2-r.gif </td><td class="alt1" title="Votes" align="center">21 (http://forums.nyyfans.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=2706)</td><td class="alt2" align="right" nowrap="nowrap">5.77%</td></tr><tr><td class="alt1" width="50%">Are you kiddin'? I bleed pinstripe blue regardless of who's on the field. </td><td class="alt2" width="50%">http://forums.nyyfans.com/images/polls/bar3-l.gifhttp://forums.nyyfans.com/images/polls/bar3.gifhttp://forums.nyyfans.com/images/polls/bar3-r.gif </td><td class="alt1" title="Votes" align="center">343 (http://forums.nyyfans.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=2706)</td><td class="alt2" align="right" nowrap="nowrap">94.23%</td></tr></tbody></table>
To see who the 21 people are go to the poll posted above and click on the underlined number of votes 21 or 343.
i guess ARoDfan4life (http://forums.nyyfans.com/member.php?u=14095) really lives up to his word
__starr69
10-13-07, 08:30 PM
i guess ARoDfan4life (http://forums.nyyfans.com/member.php?u=14095) really lives up to his word
As do 2004 in a row, BrklynSox, DelawareSoxFan, fenwaybleachahs, and GradyGump. :uhh:
Casey37
10-13-07, 08:33 PM
I was a Yankee fan before Alex arrived on the scene, and will be a Yankee fan long after he's gone. So no, Boras is not right.
RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees
10-13-07, 10:10 PM
If the Yankees and Mets, or the Yankees and Red Sox, made a 25-for-25 trade, I'd still be a Yankees fan. That simple, really.
Man if A-Rod & Co thought they were booed a lot before at $252Mil, just till they see what happens next year after all these shenanigans.
TheTinoMobile
10-14-07, 01:06 AM
Think about this.. Alex will be the most hated player in the majors next season if he opts out and leaves...
Seattle Fans hate him for leaving for the $$ to Tex..
Tex fans hate him for waiving his NTC and going to the Yanks..
We will hate him for taking the $$ and going elsewhere despite his "love" for NY and the Yankees...
The Red Sox fans hate him because he's a great baseball player and makes more than their entire fan base combined.
Everyone else hates him, because he's A-rod and that's the cool thing to do...
We're really his only option so far as untainted fan bases lol. Too bad the money is too strong, and his ability to stand up to Boras is so weak.
__starr69
10-14-07, 01:25 AM
The Red Sox fans hate him because he's a great baseball player and makes more than their entire fan base combined.
Only if he does not go to Boston.
Num2MVP
10-14-07, 01:26 AM
Only if he does not go to Boston.
Lucchino is foaming at the mouth for 5 years or so. It has to be NY or Boston.
I did not tattoo an interlocking NY on me so when our 'best' players got traded, opt out of contracts, or retire I could just wipe off the love of the team. Yankees fan for life and that is the way it should be no matter what team you like.
njyankeesfan
10-14-07, 02:04 AM
As others have said, Boras' concerns about the Yankees losing revenue if Alex Rodriguez leaves, is not directed at most of us on this web site.
When Tino Martinez and Andy Pettitte left the team, I did become interested to some extent in how they were doing, but did not become a fan of their new teams. (And, happily, they both returned to the Yankees, which Alex should take note of, I think!)
My perception is that Alex has times when he wilts under pressure, and being paid so much money automatically raises everyone's expectations, so why would he want to get an even bigger, more expensive contract, which will place even more pressure on him to perform in the clutch, and perhaps hamstring his new team's plans regarding other players, because so much payroll is taken up with Rodriguez' contract? (Only a handful of other teams can even think about taking on such a huge obligation.)
As a few others have pointed out, we could field a Triple A team next year and in 2009 and a year or two beyond that, and we still will have sellout crowds because fans will want to go to the old Stadium and visit the new Stadium. (Actually, we had about half of the Triple A team up here towards the end of the season, and the whole team was re-energized--I've never seen so many Joba Chamberlain T-Shirts spring up so quickly as I did in September at the Stadium.)
Alex Rodriguez belongs here. New York is the center of the media universe, one of (if not the) biggest baseball towns in the country, and no bigger stage than Yankee Stadium, and no more storied team than the New York Yankees. Doesn't the prospect of having his name in the record books with some of the biggest legends in Yankees history, have worth beyond money? (He already has vastly more money than he can spend in his lifetime, and at some point, isn't that enough?) Alex, if he stays, can bring the home run record back to the New York Yankees, assuming he stays healthy (another concern some teams may have with a twelve year deal--how many players really stay at their peak through age 45, even with the best of conditioning and training?).
All of this being said, I understand that Scott Boras' mission is to maximize the value of his client's contract (not to mention his cut of it), and Alex Rodriguez did undoubtedly bring in some new fans, merchandise sales, etc.
I also agree it's going to reflect negatively on Rodriguez if he leaves the Yankees for a bigger contract--he'll again reveal himself as a mercenary going for the most $$$$$, instead of becoming part of the history of a team with one of the richest histories in baseball.
If Alex goes elsewhere, we'll lose some offense, but I'm sure the Yankees will be allright--maybe things will even improve because there might be more "small ball" style of play and some of the less productive hitters might step up a bit to fill in the gap a bit.
Just my opinion.
what does boras think of us yankee fans? we follow the pinstripes!!! no names on the jerseys
Seriously... you guys are all being really dumb. Whatever happened to people actually reading or thinking for themselves
groovitude
10-14-07, 02:35 AM
If the Yankees and Mets, or the Yankees and Red Sox, made a 25-for-25 trade, I'd still be a Yankees fan. That simple, really.
Me too. Though my head might explode.
JeterRodriguezSheff
10-14-07, 02:39 AM
94.51% in favor of one of two options may be the most overwhelming result I've ever seen for a poll on this site.
A-Rod can't pitch. If we can get the pitching right, losing him won't matter. If we can't, keeping him won't matter either.
And considering Red Sox fans trying to piss us off account for half of the few who voted yes makes it even more lopsided.
No, If he leaves I hope ends up in Florida.
Only in America can stupid people (and evil because he is ruining the game) like Scott Boras can be millionaires. I wish all these players would drop this idiot.
Bucky
ARoDfan4life
10-14-07, 03:42 AM
i guess ARoDfan4life (http://forums.nyyfans.com/member.php?u=14095) really lives up to his word
I didn't vote in this poll smarta$$ ;)
BobbyMurcerFan
10-14-07, 05:09 AM
I stayed a fan when Murcer was traded to the Giants. Why should A Rod leaving change anything:D :D :D :DAMEN to that!! :gulp: :NY:
I think it's obnoxious. I admire and respect Alex Rodriguez as much as any ballplayer in the game, but to suggest that ($30 million a year) is a valid salary...it's absolutely asinine."
Braves exec John Schuerholz, speaking to ESPN's Kevin Cowherd in regard to Scott (Avenging Agent) Boras' latest racheting up of A-Rod's contract situation.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/10/14/2007-10-14_future_of_yankees_hinges_on_another_tamp.html
YankeePride1967
10-14-07, 08:01 AM
The Yanks never drew 4 million fans to the stadium until A-Rod came and they drew 4 million plus in all four years he's been here. That being said there is a limit to what he should get. If he wants to return I hope he does not opt out in exchange for an extension.
I can't believe 23 people voted - yep.
I can't believe 23 people voted - yep.
they can't read.
RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees
10-14-07, 01:56 PM
I didn't vote in this poll smarta$$ ;)
Reality begs to differ:
http://www.t-mobilepictures.com/photos/photo21/f4/c1/c4760632fec8.jpg?_rh=2ygyd31xeavphuw9c1iai3pg8
longtimeyankeefan
10-14-07, 02:50 PM
Considering I was a Yankee fan during the Horace Clarke years, losing ARod would be no big deal to me.
they can't read.
Has to be it... unreal that someone would think otherwise.
PJMPirate
10-14-07, 05:11 PM
I love Alex Rodriguez's production.
But... I don't like him personally. He's one of those players I just dislike. If he went to another team... I would miss his numbers, but I'd be kind of happy that he wasn't a Yankee anymore.
If anything, I'd stop being a fan of A-Rod, not the Yankees. It will just prove that he is money hungry and a puppet of Scott Boras, not a player starved for a World Championship. I know money is "respect" in sports, but how much money can a person possibly spend in their lifetime???
Reality begs to differ:
http://www.t-mobilepictures.com/photos/photo21/f4/c1/c4760632fec8.jpg?_rh=2ygyd31xeavphuw9c1iai3pg8
C-C-C-C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!
Also lulz at lameass Sox fans
fredgmuggs
10-14-07, 06:14 PM
After careful and thoughtful consideration I've decided if this comes to pass its very unlikely I'll stop being a Yankees fan. However, there's a much stronger possibility I'll stop being an ARod fan. Funny how that works.
PinstripePride
10-14-07, 06:18 PM
Reality begs to differ
HAHAHAHA! That's being owned if I've ever seen it.
The Yanks can't go too crazy in giving too much money to Arod because I want Miguel Cabrera when he becomes a free agent.
b_joseph
10-14-07, 08:29 PM
Miggy doesnt like us :(. Too many rules, or something like that.
gregzzy22
10-14-07, 08:42 PM
I dont think $30 million dollars is so crazy if and only if texas' money is in the equation. just quickly doing the math in my head, if he took a 5 year $150 million dollar extension, on average that would be $25 million a year (with texas money) that the yankees would pay him. Thats not terrible. cabrera will probably want more than that. michael jordan in 1998 was earning $33 million+ per year. That was 9 years ago and theres a lot more money in sports these days.
Yes. If the team is stupid enough to let A-Rod go, I'm not going to be a fan anymore.
Yanks4eva1
10-14-07, 10:09 PM
THis is the height of arrogance on Boras' part. No one individual player is bigger than the Yankee brand. NO ONE. The reason I became a Yankee fan and baseball fan was Reggie Jackson. When he was traded, I was devastated, but I cried Yankee blue tears. I was very angry at George Steinbrenner though.
Then came Donnie and he put a smile on my face. Still love Reggie - always will. He played for a lot of teams, but he'll always be a Yankee to me. If A-rod leaves,I'll put on my Yankee cap and I'll thank him for his time here, wish him well and hope he stays warm in Chicago and enjoys the National League.
Dee
Roberto Kelly
10-14-07, 10:26 PM
Is this serious?
njyankeesfan
10-14-07, 10:54 PM
Yanks4eva1, I feel as you do regarding Reggie Jackson. (Years later, none other than Steinbrenner himself admitted that letting Reggie Jackson leave was one of his biggest mistakes.)
Reggie was not exactly a "cuddly" personality, and his ego was certainly healthy, but he delivered when it counted, and stepped it up when the spotlight was shining on him.
With the change in the rules regarding the choice of team for a Hall of Famer's plaque cap, I wonder if Reggie would still have been able to go in as a Yankee (in strict years, he spent more time in Anaheim, and he won more World Series in Oakland), but I'm glad he's in the Hall as a member of the New York Yankees.
MaximMan121
10-14-07, 11:02 PM
ARod has certainly been a major part of our offense. We led the majors in runs scored and led the AL in HR's, but ARod has never been on a team that won a WS ring. What good is all that offense if it doesn't bring wins. I don't look at ARod as bringing us back from our horrible start; it was the entheusiasm of the kids that made the difference.
Don't get me wrong, I think ARod is a great player and would love to have him back, but at Cashman's terms, not Boras's. ARod IS NOT a difference maker.
What we need to be a winner is to shore up our starting staff and rebuild our bullpen. We should get rid of complainers like Mussina.
Last year we were in the second half of MLteams in ERA. We gave away too many runs to be a consistant winner. Losing ARod would not be painful if we got some good #4 and #5 starters and a middle relief staff.
Andy
I'm certainly not going to stop rooting for the yanks if A-Rod leaves.....but do you really believe the bolded statement up there?
You're talking about the legitimate best player in the game. Not a difference maker? Sheesh.
metalyank
10-14-07, 11:19 PM
Been rooting for the Yanks before he came... and will root still, ARod or no ARod. :mad:
metalyank
10-14-07, 11:21 PM
I can't believe 23 people voted - yep.
Every team has band-wagoneers. :P
SpinHouse247
10-14-07, 11:26 PM
I have a feeling this is going to blow up in Boras face. The long and short of it is do you want to bolster a record breaking legend or set a salary record? Any player with heart will make the right choice and as of now I'm still pretty sure A-Rod has heart.
ARoDfan4life
10-14-07, 11:47 PM
Reality begs to differ:
http://www.t-mobilepictures.com/photos/photo21/f4/c1/c4760632fec8.jpg?_rh=2ygyd31xeavphuw9c1iai3pg8
Every team has band-wagoneers.
ok let me clarify it since people want to go this far, now read my post specifically what I said in red, P.S. people like you piss me off because it's always someone who wants to start sh**
I can't speak for any other fan but myself I've followed Alex since he was a Mariner, always wished we had him, but I'm never going to stop rooting for my Yanks, they are the team I fell in love with, w/ that said I would root for Alex and his team wherever he goes and I would be torn on the Yankees and him.
ok so I did vote unfortunately this poll doesn't have an in between it saids YEP.I got my gear ready to go, meaning if Alex goes to one of those teams I'm a big fan of him hence my SN I would buy his uniform in a store he's was born in my old neighborhood of Washington Heights I don't hate him as a ballplayer, I wish him well and would root for him while cheering on my Yanks . It's just like a Knicks fan w/ an MJ jersey even though I couldn't stand for that ever ,or a Yankee fans rooting for Pettitte in Hou, Roger in Hou, Soriano in Chicago or Willie Randolph in Queens.
Jesus we can't vote in peace anymore w/o being judged :mad:
BringBackBernie!
10-15-07, 12:02 AM
I hope the yankee higher ups look at this thread and use it as evidence against Boras. If this thread is a basic indication if how yankee fans will really react, only 6% of fans (and thats including those who may have said "yes" sarcastically) are fans because of A-Rod. Not really all that many honestly. Think about how many people wouldn't turn up to the ballpark next year if the Yankees for some reason decided not to resign Jeets (assuming hypothetically that his contract was up). I think it would be way higher than 6%.
YankeeZim
10-15-07, 12:05 AM
Jesus we can't vote in peace anymore w/o being judged :mad:Sucks not realizing when you vote in a public poll doesnt it? Makes you accountable for your statements. :)
ARoDfan4life
10-15-07, 12:09 AM
Sucks not realizing when you vote in a public poll doesnt it? Makes you accountable for your statements. :)
I have no problem w/ fessing up for my votes but I don't like it when people put out my votes like that or try to get smart in blowing up peoples spots. I clarified what I meant already in my quotes before I voted but if that poster wants to act like a sarcastic prick by all means.
CallOfTheCrow
10-15-07, 12:11 AM
I have no problem w/ fessing up for my votes but I don't like it when people put out my votes like that or try to get smart in blowing up peoples spots. I clarified what I meant already in my quotes before I voted but if that poster wants to act like a sarcastic prick by all means.
Calling someone a smartass then lying about voting in the poll sure doesn't help.
ARoDfan4life
10-15-07, 12:14 AM
I hope the yankee higher ups look at this thread and use it as evidence against Boras. If this thread is a basic indication if how yankee fans will really react, only 6% of fans (and thats including those who may have said "yes" sarcastically) are fans because of A-Rod. Not really all that many honestly. Think about how many people wouldn't turn up to the ballpark next year if the Yankees for some reason decided not to resign Jeets (assuming hypothetically that his contract was up). I think it would be way higher than 6%.
true the problem is Boras looks to everything
take the NY Daily News poll for example
Poll Results
If Alex Rodriguez opts out of his current contract, do you think the Yankees should pursue him?
<TABLE id=bargraph cellSpacing=8 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=poll-option>Yes</TD><TD class=poll-pct>26%</TD><TD class=bar vAlign=center>http://www.nydailynews.com/img/bg_red_header.gif
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=poll-option>No</TD><TD class=poll-pct>74%</TD><TD class=bar vAlign=center>http://www.nydailynews.com/img/bg_red_header.gif
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
alot of different opinions in NY
ARoDfan4life
10-15-07, 12:15 AM
Calling someone a smartass then lying about voting in the poll sure doesn't help.
true I didn't help it I'll admit that, but it just rubbed me the wrong way
penfold
10-15-07, 01:06 AM
I can't believe 23 people voted - yep.
Methinks there's some sarcasm in those 23 votes.
BringBackBernie!
10-15-07, 01:21 AM
true the problem is Boras looks to everything
take the NY Daily News poll for example
alot of different opinions in NY
True, but just because the Yanks dont resign him doesn't mean I won't watch with the same enthusiasm. And I think most people would say the same. Greatly benefiting a team and BEING the team are two totally different things. This isn't Lebron leaving Cleveland we're talking about. It's a mega star leaving a team with many other stars and at least one other Mega star.
RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees
10-15-07, 01:33 AM
Jesus we can't vote in peace anymore w/o being judged :mad:
I wasn't judging you, I was just pointing out that you had said you didn't vote when you had.
Sillycon
10-15-07, 03:17 AM
I dont think $30 million dollars is so crazy if and only if texas' money is in the equation. just quickly doing the math in my head, if he took a 5 year $150 million dollar extension, on average that would be $25 million a year (with texas money) that the yankees would pay him. Thats not terrible. cabrera will probably want more than that. michael jordan in 1998 was earning $33 million+ per year. That was 9 years ago and theres a lot more money in sports these days.
That's still insane... To include the subsidies and still average 25 mil? Sure, A-Rod probably puts more people in seats. However, the Yankees were already drawing a lot of people. Why pay A-Rod the entire difference? Why should the Yankees want to pay the luxury tax? If the Yankees want to extend A-Rod, then I'd grudgingly offer the same 25 mil annually. The money A-Rod can make will depend on the length of the contract so the Yankees will probably give him a decent number of years added on to his current contract...
(As for Jordan, he actually makes makes more of a difference to team success than A-Rod. Basketball is just that way. If the Yankees lose A-Rod, they could add someone solid to replace him and with an upgraded pitching staff, they can end up being just as successful as before.)
ESPN NEWS, A ROD COMMUNES W DR EVIL IN SO CAL ...........
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3065293
Macklew
10-16-07, 09:40 AM
If Arod walks I will no longer be a fan of Boras. Come to think of it, I never was!
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