View Full Version : Bring up Edwar and use him
jew4jeter
08-02-07, 09:56 PM
He deserves a real shot. The guy has been lights out in AAA and he seems to be back in his groove since returning. His first tour shouldn't count against him, since Torre refused to put him in for two weeks.
I was bummed that the media made it sound like he was going to get his second chance and then Karstens got called up without Edwar. How can he do any worse than anyone other than Mo, Vizacaino, or Joba?
Big Game Andy
08-02-07, 09:59 PM
Tonight, he pitched 1 inning
1 IP, 0 H, 0 BB, 2 K
10 pitches, 8 strikes, 2 balls
Some one should at least give the poor guy a d.
LeapsNbounds
08-02-07, 10:01 PM
anglo-saxons4Abreu
:D
jew4jeter
08-02-07, 10:04 PM
Evangelicals4Edwar
For some reason every time I start a thread, it resorts to this...
Educators4Edwar
JavyVazquezIsSick
08-02-07, 10:05 PM
Still the best name ever.
jew4jeter
08-02-07, 10:06 PM
Tonight, he pitched 1 inning
1 IP, 0 H, 0 BB, 2 K
10 pitches, 8 strikes, 2 balls
Seriously, what will it take for this guy to get a chance? I know Torre favors experience over talent, but this is ridiculous. I love Torre, but he's gotta go after this season. Sign Girardi while we have a chance. He'll be great with all the young guys coming up.
jew4jeter
08-02-07, 10:08 PM
Still the best name ever.
Thanks 4 the props!
dont_ya_know24
08-02-07, 10:09 PM
amphetamines4a-rod
-jose canseco
jew4jeter
08-02-07, 10:12 PM
Also, it's a good sign that Edwar's confidence didn't get rattled by the way everything went down (unlike Clippard, DeSalvo, etc.)
jew4jeter
08-02-07, 10:14 PM
Contract4Girardi
JeterRodriguezSheff
08-02-07, 10:16 PM
Edwar and Joba
jew4jeter
08-02-07, 10:19 PM
Edwar and Joba
Joba is already a forgone conclusion. I agree with that move, as well...
We want Edwar! We want Joba!
Say, maybe Joba could give Edwar his "a" and Edwar could just bend up the stem a little into a "d." That way they could be Edward and Job! :lol:
njdhockey
08-02-07, 10:42 PM
Bring up Edwar now and get Farnsworth off this team!
jew4jeter
08-02-07, 10:47 PM
And replace Henn with Britton.
Johnny O
08-02-07, 10:58 PM
Yanks should also DFA Farnsworth, his contract is a sunk cost. I'd like to see them move back to a roster mix of 14 position players and 11 pitchers.
SportzStooge007
08-02-07, 11:36 PM
Edwar Ramirez deserves a second chance. Kyle Farnsworth just blew his 46th chance today.
dabomb2045
08-03-07, 12:35 AM
Its a complete joke that this guy and his .55 ERA rot down in AAA....while some piece of crap like Farnsworth remains on the roster
If the Yanks main concern is winning games and NOT justifying Farnsworth's salary...then they will get rid of him and call up Edwar
jew4jeter
08-03-07, 12:40 AM
Its a complete joke that this guy and his .55 ERA rot down in AAA....while some piece of crap like Farnsworth remains on the roster
If the Yanks main concern is winning games and NOT justifying Farnsworth's salary...then they will get rid of him and call up Edwar
Couldn't have said it better.
BroadwayBomber55
08-03-07, 01:34 AM
Its a complete joke that this guy and his .55 ERA rot down in AAA....while some piece of crap like Farnsworth remains on the roster
If the Yanks main concern is winning games and NOT justifying Farnsworth's salary...then they will get rid of him and call up Edwar
Well, Brian Cashman has to firmly step in and say to both Kyle Farnsworth and Joe Torre, "I had enough of this. Kyle, you've blown too many games for us and kids like Edwar Ramirez and Joba Chamberlain want to have big bites in the majors and they're ready. Kyle, I don't like your pitching style and I haven't seen you change your style. Finally, I don't like your pissy poor, sore loser attitude. Pack your bags because you're DFA. And Joe, I don't care if Joba and Edwar struggle, you give them your support and confidence and tell them to go back out there and make them do their best."
Dynasties R Forever
08-03-07, 02:46 AM
Well, Brian Cashman has to firmly step in and say to both Kyle Farnsworth and Joe Torre, "I had enough of this. Kyle, you've blown too many games for us and kids like Edwar Ramirez and Joba Chamberlain want to have big bites in the majors and they're ready. Kyle, I don't like your pitching style and I haven't seen you change your style. Finally, I don't like your pissy poor, sore loser attitude. Pack your bags because you're DFA. And Joe, I don't care if Joba and Edwar struggle, you give them your support and confidence and tell them to go back out there and make them do their best."
In other words, you have to sit them down and talk to them like they're children.
Well, Brian Cashman has to firmly step in and say to both Kyle Farnsworth and Joe Torre, "I had enough of this. Kyle, you've blown too many games for us and kids like Edwar Ramirez and Joba Chamberlain want to have big bites in the majors and they're ready. Kyle, I don't like your pitching style and I haven't seen you change your style. Finally, I don't like your pissy poor, sore loser attitude. Pack your bags because you're DFA. And Joe, I don't care if Joba and Edwar struggle, you give them your support and confidence and tell them to go back out there and make them do their best."
while i'm not sure i'd DFA farnsworth, i would get edwar up.
add edwar and britton to villone, viz, bruney and mo, and this bullpen should be fine.
i don't like the idea of messing with joba in the major league bullpen.
also, why hasn't britton been called up for more than a couple of games this year?
JeffWeaverFan
08-03-07, 07:46 AM
As I put in my sig, I think Edwar would make a solid reliever. I see no reason why he shouldn't get another chance. There's no doubt he has the ability to pitch in the majors.
JavyVazquezIsSick
08-03-07, 07:49 AM
Its a complete joke that this guy and his .55 ERA rot down in AAA....while some piece of crap like Farnsworth remains on the roster
If the Yanks main concern is winning games and NOT justifying Farnsworth's salary...then they will get rid of him and call up Edwar
The Yankees, not just Joe Torre, have ran the bullpen really poorly.
hardrain
08-03-07, 07:52 AM
Cashman did a good job holding on to the kid pitchers - but, holding on to Kyle is just plain dumb. The remaining $7 million due Kyle is already gone. Better to have sent him to the Braves and let Wickman eat some innings here in relief and bring up Edwar and give the 8th to Vizcaino and maybe Joba.
The WC will go down to the wire...Farnsworth better not cost the team any more games.
JavyVazquezIsSick
08-03-07, 07:53 AM
Why Britton wasn't up with this team before he got hurt is mind boggling.
How can he do any worse than anyone other than Mo, Vizacaino, or Joba?
Wow, I must have missed the games where Joba came up and proved himself as a major league reliever. Also, other than the flash of briliance in the first game, Edwar didn't prove himself either. You can blame it on "lack of use" all you'd like, but the fact is he didn't perform. I'm all for taking a chance on the kids from the farm. But that's exactly what it is, taking a chance. Let's stop just assuming the kids on the farm are going to be great.
hardrain
08-03-07, 07:54 AM
Why Britton wasn't up with this team before he got hurt is mind boggling.
yep, that too. Did he look at Cashman or Torre the wrong way in ST?
wang+cano=future
08-03-07, 08:24 AM
Wow, I must have missed the games where Joba came up and proved himself as a major league reliever. Also, other than the flash of briliance in the first game, Edwar didn't prove himself either. You can blame it on "lack of use" all you'd like, but the fact is he didn't perform. I'm all for taking a chance on the kids from the farm. But that's exactly what it is, taking a chance. Let's stop just assuming the kids on the farm are going to be great.
Or, maybe we could be optimistic about out young pitchers in the minors and hope that their stuff can translate into successful relief pitchers. Granted not all pan out but some will, and we have enough depth in the minors to try some out until we can hopefully stabilize 3 or 4 of them into relievers. Plus, even Mo suffered from lack of use and his performances showed it. So, hardly being used IS a legitmate reason for Ramirez's poor outing.
NewEraYanks2527
08-03-07, 08:28 AM
On Wednesday I heard all about how the Yankees are "revamping the pen" and things should be sorting themselves out in the next couple of days from Waldman. I sure hope adding Karstans wasn't the extent of that revamping.
DontHateOnNumber2
08-03-07, 09:47 AM
He'll be up. Patience, young Padawan.
teknetic
08-03-07, 10:18 AM
Wow, I must have missed the games where Joba came up and proved himself as a major league reliever. Also, other than the flash of briliance in the first game, Edwar didn't prove himself either. You can blame it on "lack of use" all you'd like, but the fact is he didn't perform. I'm all for taking a chance on the kids from the farm. But that's exactly what it is, taking a chance. Let's stop just assuming the kids on the farm are going to be great.
God forbid people actually get excited about a kid who dominated AA/AAA and might possibly help this wretch of a bullpen. But hey, I guess keeping him ice cold in favor of trotting out the Farnsworth and Myers' of the world is a better idea.
Dannman103
08-03-07, 10:41 AM
God forbid people actually get excited about a kid who dominated AA/AAA and might possibly help this wretch of a bullpen. But hey, I guess keeping him ice cold in favor of trotting out the Farnsworth and Myers' of the world is a better idea.\
Don't get me wrong here...I've seen Chamberlain pitch live, and seen his stats, and so I also think he will be great. But to say he has "dominated" AAA is a little exhaggerated, considering he's only pitched 7 innings there. He does have a good chance of being a solid addition to this bullpen, but I think the poster that you responded to was simply saying that you can't just assume that he'll immediately be successful up in the majors. Better to temper expectations and be pleasantly surprised.
dabomb2045
08-03-07, 10:52 AM
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Don't get me wrong here...I've seen Chamberlain pitch live, and seen his stats, and so I also think he will be great. But to say he has "dominated" AAA is a little exhaggerated, considering he's only pitched 7 innings there. He does have a good chance of being a solid addition to this bullpen, but I think the poster that you responded to was simply saying that you can't just assume that he'll immediately be successful up in the majors. Better to temper expectations and be pleasantly surprised.
In terms of the domination....I think the poster was referring to Ramirez. Joba has dominated in his first few relief outings too.
I expect both of them to have their bad outings but I'm not saying "hey lets dump Mo for young kids". I just want a useless waste of space like Farnsworth off the team so Edwar can come up. It's gonna be very hard to not be better then Farnsworth at this point.
OldYankeeFan
08-03-07, 11:09 AM
In terms of the domination....I think the poster was referring to Ramirez. Joba has dominated in his first few relief outings too.
I expect both of them to have their bad outings but I'm not saying "hey lets dump Mo for young kids". I just want a useless waste of space like Farnsworth off the team so Edwar can come up. It's gonna be very hard to not be better then Farnsworth at this point.
Exactly! But Cashman has to make the changes that forces Joe to use them. That means Farns and Karstens have to go. Edwar for Farns NOW, and Joba for Karstens in about a week. PLEASE.
My real preference is that Ramirez and Britton are called up while Joba remains in Scranton, as a starting pitcher.
I do not want to hinder or rather RISK hindering Joba's growth by working him in the pen.
While I do desire a dominate 8th inning arm and believe that Joba can possibly be that, I do not think the short term risk is worth the long term reward. On top of that, we risk Joe abusing Joba's arm IF Joba's as dominate as we're hoping for out of the pen. I say, try bringing up Edwar and Britton, DFA Farnsworthless. While I want to win this year...I do really truely desire seeing a nice, cheap, homegrown rotation in 08 and 09 and fear Joe ruining Joba's arm this season.
Dannman103
08-03-07, 11:22 AM
It's gonna be very hard to not be better then Farnsworth at this point.
Haha...I don't think anyone can argue with that
OldYankeeFan
08-03-07, 11:52 AM
Haha...I don't think anyone can argue with that
I can only think of ONE person who might try ;) . The same person who (if Edwar is called up and does well with proper usage) might look bad for not giving him a real chance the 1st time around.
teknetic
08-03-07, 12:24 PM
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Don't get me wrong here...I've seen Chamberlain pitch live, and seen his stats, and so I also think he will be great. But to say he has "dominated" AAA is a little exhaggerated, considering he's only pitched 7 innings there. He does have a good chance of being a solid addition to this bullpen, but I think the poster that you responded to was simply saying that you can't just assume that he'll immediately be successful up in the majors. Better to temper expectations and be pleasantly surprised.
Yea, was talking about Edwar. Britton pitched relatively well in a crappy Oriole bullpen and team, why they've waited until August to call him up and keep him here more than two days is just silly. I don't expect Joba to come up and dominate, but he sure as hell can't be worse than what we currently have.
Britton was horrible in the spring, and Torre allowed what his eyes saw in a worthless month to supercede pretty solid numbers in probably the worst relief position to be in- as a relief pitcher in Camden Yards in the AL East.
Ramirez looked fantastic in his first outing, and even though he gave up a run in his second, he looked good. Gave up a run on a "butt in the bucket" slap hit up the middle at the end of a very tough AB. He then sat for years in the pen and when he came into a game couldn't throw strikes. Hmm.... I am not doubting a kid could have rough spots, but Mike Myers is an absolute waste of a roster spot and Farnsworth is horrid.
The fact that there are likely three relief pitchers in AAA right now who would all have a better chance of improving the pen is ludicrous.
MissingBillyMartin
08-03-07, 01:07 PM
I am afraid of these young guys going to Torre's hands. Without Proctor who will Amnesty Interntional have to petition for now?
yankeex777
08-03-07, 01:34 PM
Listen,- to all the Britton complainers...
He is, I believe, just getting off the 7 day DL
He should have been here longer, I know
But he has been hurt for a lil bit now, so thats why he recently hasnt been called up. Let him heal, get himself right and Im sure you will see him here
dabomb2045
08-03-07, 01:57 PM
Still no excuse for Edwar not being here....just look at this guy's stats this year. They are ridiculous
49 IP, 21 H, 3 ER, 19 BB, 90 K
Thats a 0.55 ERA, 0.82 WHIP and a crazy 16.53 K per 9 inning. Look...nobody expects this guy to be THAT good in the majors but he certainly can be effective. Lets not kid ourselves here, its not like he is putting up these numbers in T-ball or Little League. AA and AAA folks. Ever since he learned and mastered the changeup while in the Independent Leagues in 2005, this guy has dominated every level he has been at. We saw how good that changeup is in the little bit we saw of him with the Yanks. 1st outing was great, 2nd outing was fine too...he gave up a run on a seeing eye single by Figgins. Then he goees 2 weeks without any action and predictably has no control of his pitches when he is finally called upon.
I dont think its crazy to say this guy can be an upgrade over someone like Farnsworth, Bruney or Myers. He can help this team and he deserves the chance to see if he can do just that.
teknetic
08-03-07, 02:19 PM
Listen,- to all the Britton complainers...
He is, I believe, just getting off the 7 day DL
He should have been here longer, I know
But he has been hurt for a lil bit now, so thats why he recently hasnt been called up. Let him heal, get himself right and Im sure you will see him here
Right, because wanting to see guys who might succeed over the crap we're running out there now is labeled as "complaining." :uhh:
Right, because wanting to see guys who might succeed over the crap we're running out there now is labeled as "complaining." :uhh:
I don't think he meant it that way....
51BWilliams
08-03-07, 03:10 PM
Let's stop just assuming the kids on the farm are going to be great.
This is absolutely true. Skepticism and not blind faith are needed here to be realistic.
Patience is almost as important. I seem to remember a few good players getting sent down after their first visit to the bigs flopped. BUt you have to give them a chance
Torre overdoes the former, and totally is incapable of the latter..
The Q Bomb
08-03-07, 03:12 PM
Wow, I must have missed the games where Joba came up and proved himself as a major league reliever. Also, other than the flash of briliance in the first game, Edwar didn't prove himself either. You can blame it on "lack of use" all you'd like, but the fact is he didn't perform. I'm all for taking a chance on the kids from the farm. But that's exactly what it is, taking a chance. Let's stop just assuming the kids on the farm are going to be great. Hmmm... common sense speaking here, kids.
yankeex777
08-03-07, 03:16 PM
I don't think he meant it that way....
Thank you Gold
I'm just sayin...I dont think alot of ppl realize or realized he was hurt (dont know with what) and thats the reason why he hasnt been here. If he was 100% healthy and available than I'd be in the same boat -- Which is wondering, where is this guy?
Like I said, we will see him soon enuf and hopefully he can dominate...
JeterRodriguezSheff
08-03-07, 03:23 PM
Wow, I must have missed the games where Joba came up and proved himself as a major league reliever. Also, other than the flash of briliance in the first game, Edwar didn't prove himself either. You can blame it on "lack of use" all you'd like, but the fact is he didn't perform. I'm all for taking a chance on the kids from the farm. But that's exactly what it is, taking a chance. Let's stop just assuming the kids on the farm are going to be great.
Well when you think about, the options besides "the kids from the farm" all for the most part are crap. Except you KNOW they will be crap. "The kids from the farm" have a chance to be great, and the league hasnt seen any of them before.
OldYankeeFan
08-03-07, 03:47 PM
Well when you think about, the options besides "the kids from the farm" all for the most part are crap. Except you KNOW they will be crap. "The kids from the farm" have a chance to be great, and the league hasnt seen any of them before.
It's stupid, I know. Problem is, Joe knows they don't have ML experience. And Joe would rather a bad pitcher with ML experience than a great minor leaguer with a great amount of potential. But unless Cashman takes Joe's toys (Farns,Villone, Meyers and Karstens) away from him, Torre won't change.
Hitman23
08-03-07, 03:56 PM
why try something new when you have Farnsworth and Myers doing a splendid job.
:uhh:
Cashman did a good job holding on to the kid pitchers - but, holding on to Kyle is just plain dumb. The remaining $7 million due Kyle is already gone. Better to have sent him to the Braves and let Wickman eat some innings here in relief and bring up Edwar and give the 8th to Vizcaino and maybe Joba.
The WC will go down to the wire...Farnsworth better not cost the team any more games. Paying the entire salaries of two crappy relievers instead of just one is insanity.
dabomb2045
08-03-07, 05:46 PM
Paying the entire salaries of two crappy relievers instead of just one is insanity.
I didnt want the Wickman trade either cuz Wickman is terrible also. Just DFA Kyle...and eat the damn $7M. Good grief we have a $200M payroll.....$7M in the scheme of things is nothing.
I didnt want the Wickman trade either cuz Wickman is terrible also. Just DFA Kyle...and eat the damn $7M. Good grief we have a $200M payroll.....$7M in the scheme of things is nothing. Maybe these days it is. $7M is nothing to sneeze at. If you DFA Kyle, you'll have to pay him all the money left in his contract.
Much more prudent to try to deal him before Aug 31 where a team will take a good chuck of his 2008 salary. The deal with Wickman was awful since we had to pay all of Kyle's salary and Wickman's. Just ridiculous. Fans have to look at it as a business too.
jew4jeter
08-03-07, 08:43 PM
Maybe these days it is. $7M is nothing to sneeze at. If you DFA Kyle, you'll have to pay him all the money left in his contract.
Much more prudent to try to deal him before Aug 31 where a team will take a good chuck of his 2008 salary. The deal with Wickman was awful since we had to pay all of Kyle's salary and Wickman's. Just ridiculous. Fans have to look at it as a business too.
The money lost for not making the playoffs or a first round exit would be a lot more than the 7 mil to DFA.
The money lost for not making the playoffs or a first round exit would be a lot more than the 7 mil to DFA.
The logic doesn't compute. Cashman can't run things like that.
Buddhists4Betemit
dabomb2045
08-03-07, 09:46 PM
The logic doesn't compute. Cashman can't run things like that.
Buddhists4Betemit
He cant be on this team anymore. Thats the whole point. Either trade him NOW or DFA him. The longer he stays on the roster, the more he will be used and the more of a chance he blows some real important games for us down the stretch.
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