View Full Version : Buerhle signs extension with White Sox?
Workhorse
06-27-07, 12:03 PM
No link yet. Being reported by WSCR in Chicago.
4 years, $50 million, apparently. If that's true, it's a STEAL for the White Sox.
yankeebot
06-27-07, 12:09 PM
But...but...he only to go to the Cardinals!!!11!!!!1 ;)
Snatch Catch
06-27-07, 12:11 PM
Kenny Williams made sweet, sweet love to him.
SubwayFanatic
06-27-07, 12:17 PM
Hmm. Any chance they are doing that just to make him look more attractive in a potential trade?
Hmm. Any chance they are doing that just to make him look more attractive in a potential trade?
This does make him VERY attractive for trades since he is now locked into a long-term deal. Thats a bargain if I ever saw one
We'll see if he gets a NTC
Who is his agent?
It looks like Buerhle took a big home town discount to stay there. Good for him.
This does make him VERY attractive for trades since he is now locked into a long-term deal. Thats a bargain if I ever saw one
We'll see if he gets a NTC
If this is Kenny Williams' angle, he's smarter and more cold-blooded than I gave him credit for.
But I don't think that's what's happening. Buehrle is such a bargain now that he can't afford to let him go.
NavyTim
06-27-07, 12:49 PM
sniff sniff; smells like sign-n-trade to me
Workhorse
06-27-07, 12:50 PM
Just called a buddy in Chicago and the buzz is that WSCR might have jumped the gun on this "story".
scull567
06-27-07, 12:57 PM
Wow, Buehrle would get over 70 million easily in the FA market. That is a steal if true.
But...but...he only to go to the Cardinals!!!11!!!!1 ;)
:dunno:
yanksphan
06-27-07, 01:03 PM
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070627&content_id=2052136&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
Buehrle, Sox not confirming deal rumors
Radio report states four-year, $50 million contract is near
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com
ST. PETERSBURG -- A report coming Wednesday morning from WSCR 670 AM, the White Sox flagship radio station, of a new multi-year deal close to being agreed upon between the White Sox and Mark Buehrle would not be confirmed by the team.
"There's no official announcement," a White Sox team spokesman said. "Anything else is speculation."
The radio station's report was that Buehrle and the team were on the verge of agreeing to a four-year, $50 million deal, quite a turnaround from this past weekend, when the left-hander's name was in the news as the top target on Major League Baseball's open market. Buehrle has made no secret of his desire to stay in Chicago, trying to finish his career with the team with which he started, a sentiment seemingly echoed by the White Sox organization and Buehrle's teammates.
comiskey
06-27-07, 01:05 PM
sniff sniff; smells like sign-n-trade to me
If anything, I think it's just a smokescreen to drive his trade value up. I don't think they would sign and trade. Especially at 12.5 per...the White Sox have no problem paying that.
They would have no intention of trading him if they knew they could sign him to an extension...so if he's signed, he's staying; I don't think this is true, though.
NavyTim
06-27-07, 01:54 PM
If anything, I think it's just a smokescreen to drive his trade value up. I don't think they would sign and trade. Especially at 12.5 per...the White Sox have no problem paying that.
They would have no intention of trading him if they knew they could sign him to an extension...so if he's signed, he's staying; I don't think this is true, though.
The only reason I suspect this is that earlier in the week - the report about how aweful their farm is compaired to the Div (CLE, DET, etc.) and the Buerhle was the one that could get them the most to rebuild. IF they are rebuilding, this is a potential way to get some prospects now that he has an attractive contract. Would be interesting - IF true, if there is a NTC and if there is, what teams he agreed to go to (STL would be one...)
JavyVazquezIsSick
06-27-07, 02:00 PM
I guess this would coincide with the other report that he was no longer on the market.
On the open market he gets 6 years @ 15 per
He's leaving a ton of money on the table
NewEraYanks2527
06-27-07, 02:36 PM
No link yet. Being reported by WSCR in Chicago.
4 years, $50 million, apparently. If that's true, it's a STEAL for the White Sox.
Yea that is a huge steal. It really does not make sense to me, thats 12.5 a year and he is left handed with post season experience. He was in for an even bigger pay day, not that 50 million is something to scoff at though.
dont_ya_know24
06-27-07, 02:44 PM
this is interesting.
wang+cano=future
06-27-07, 03:27 PM
Good to see (if it is true) he's not all for the money and is giving a home-town discount. A little refreshing after Zito and others.
TommyK8
06-27-07, 04:34 PM
Good to see (if it is true) he's not all for the money and is giving a home-town discount. A little refreshing after Zito and others.
Based on last year's free agent market, I don't think it's as much of a steal as some are saying. Mussina took 2 years at $11.5 per year. Lilly went for 4 x $10 million, Suppan 4 x $10.5 million, Meche 5 x $11 million, Schmidt, who had better numbers went for 3 x $15.67 million. Greg Maddux was 1 year x $10 million. Buerhle's ERA was 4.98 last year, and he does not have the resume of a Barry Zito. I think that 4 x $12.5 million is not that far off the market...maybe a small hometown discount, but I don't think it's as big as expected, and I also think the market may correct itself a little this offseason.
Snatch Catch
06-27-07, 04:58 PM
Based on last year's free agent market, I don't think it's as much of a steal as some are saying. Mussina took 2 years at $11.5 per year. Lilly went for 4 x $10 million, Suppan 4 x $10.5 million, Meche 5 x $11 million, Schmidt, who had better numbers went for 3 x $15.67 million. Greg Maddux was 1 year x $10 million. Buerhle's ERA was 4.98 last year, and he does not have the resume of a Barry Zito. I think that 4 x $12.5 million is not that far off the market...maybe a small hometown discount, but I don't think it's as big as expected, and I also think the market may correct itself a little this offseason.
How does he not have the resume of Barry Zito? The bogus CYA? I think they're fairly comparable, actually. Not identical, but very similar.
Based on last year's free agent market, I don't think it's as much of a steal as some are saying. Mussina took 2 years at $11.5 per year. Lilly went for 4 x $10 million, Suppan 4 x $10.5 million, Meche 5 x $11 million, Schmidt, who had better numbers went for 3 x $15.67 million. Greg Maddux was 1 year x $10 million. Buerhle's ERA was 4.98 last year, and he does not have the resume of a Barry Zito. I think that 4 x $12.5 million is not that far off the market...maybe a small hometown discount, but I don't think it's as big as expected, and I also think the market may correct itself a little this offseason.
If you take the time to look at his whole career, last year was his worst. Just as Zito had ONE great year in 2002 that colored the perception of him. Take that one year out and he's not that great.
Geez, just look at the pitchers you compared him to- Moose, Maddux, Suppan- Buerhle is still young while to others are fossils. Ya think that might be why their value is limited?? Who would want to sign them for 4-6 years??
Buerhle has consistently pitched a high number of innings, he's left handed and has done well in the post season. Except for last year, his ERA+ has been excellent.
As I said- on the free market- 6/90 wouldn't be too big a stretch
Paiglee
06-27-07, 05:01 PM
If this is Kenny Williams' angle, he's smarter and more cold-blooded than I gave him credit for.
But I don't think that's what's happening. Buehrle is such a bargain now that he can't afford to let him go.
Does the name Bronson Arroyo ring any bells????
comiskey
06-27-07, 05:04 PM
Based on last year's free agent market, I don't think it's as much of a steal as some are saying. Mussina took 2 years at $11.5 per year. Lilly went for 4 x $10 million, Suppan 4 x $10.5 million, Meche 5 x $11 million, Schmidt, who had better numbers went for 3 x $15.67 million. Greg Maddux was 1 year x $10 million. Buerhle's ERA was 4.98 last year, and he does not have the resume of a Barry Zito. I think that 4 x $12.5 million is not that far off the market...maybe a small hometown discount, but I don't think it's as big as expected, and I also think the market may correct itself a little this offseason.
Buehrle is much younger than Mussina/Schmidt/Maddux. He's much better than Lilly, Suppan, Meche, and Maddux at this point in their careers.
Barry Zito has a Cy Young on Buehrle, and that's it. He had a bad month last year and it skewed his stats immensely.
Among fans, I think Buehrle is the most underrated pitcher in baseball. All I keep seeing is, he's not that good, or he sucks; yet every year he comes out, busts his ass for 200+ innings at the top of the rotation. He's not a strikeout pitcher, so what, he's still a winner. He shouldn't even be in the same paragraph as some of the guys you mentioned above (Lilly, Suppan, Meche...blegh).
Spiker101
06-27-07, 05:21 PM
Who is his agent?
It looks like Buerhle took a big home town discount to stay there. Good for him.
No kidding. $12.5 million through his remaining prime years.
Spiker101
06-27-07, 05:22 PM
Buehrle is much younger than Mussina/Schmidt/Maddux. He's much better than Lilly, Suppan, Meche, and Maddux at this point in their careers.
Barry Zito has a Cy Young on Buehrle, and that's it. He had a bad month last year and it skewed his stats immensely.
Among fans, I think Buehrle is the most underrated pitcher in baseball. All I keep seeing is, he's not that good, or he sucks; yet every year he comes out, busts his ass for 200+ innings at the top of the rotation. He's not a strikeout pitcher, so what, he's still a winner. He shouldn't even be in the same paragraph as some of the guys you mentioned above (Lilly, Suppan, Meche...blegh).
This is one Yankee who's been pining for him for the better part of a year. I agree with everything you said about how underrated he is among fans.
TommyK8
06-27-07, 05:28 PM
If you take the time to look at his whole career, last year was his worst. Just as Zito had ONE great year in 2002 that colored the perception of him. Take that one year out and he's not that great.
Geez, just look at the pitchers you compared him to- Moose, Maddux, Suppan- Buerhle is still young while to others are fossils. Ya think that might be why their value is limited?? Who would want to sign them for 4-6 years??
Buerhle has consistently pitched a high number of innings, he's left handed and has done well in the post season. Except for last year, his ERA+ has been excellent.
As I said- on the free market- 6/90 wouldn't be too big a stretch
Upon looking at his stats again, he has been a very reliable pitcher. 2006 was the lone exception, as he posted an ERA of 4.99 and an opponent's batting average of .305....not good, and almost all of it due to a deplorable second half. But he seems to have righted the ship this year and he's very durable. Yes, I guess he is closer to Andy Pettitte than he is Gil Meche, so $15 million per year on the free market is not unthinkable.
Cuban Connection
06-27-07, 07:48 PM
670 the Score has lost what little shred of credibility they had after this report. The money makes no sense from Buehrle's side.
Dog Named Fred
06-27-07, 09:07 PM
The radio report was simply untrue according to Buehrle's agent.
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2007/06/buehrle-update.html
Jeff Berry, the agent for Mark Buehrle, said in a telephone interview Wednesday afternoon that he was surprised by a published report that stated the team had resumed negotiations with the White Sox's left-handed ace and that a deal could be finalized by the end of the week.
"Nothing's going on," said Berry
...
Berry said he hasn't spoken recently to Sox general manager Kenny Williams and said his client's status remains the same since the end of spring training -- in which any negotiations won't resume until after the season, when Buehrle becomes a free agent.
yeah, buerhle at his age in THAT market would've been booted out of the MLBPA lol
This one seems dead (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/450383,CST-SPT-buehrle30.article).
According to a source outside the organization but familiar with the situation, talks between Buehrle and the Sox broke down because the club would not put a no-trade clause into a proposed four-year, $56 million deal.
Apparently, the speculation earlier in the thread that Kenny Williams was trying to extend him at a discount simply to make him easier to shop was not so far fetched. Buehrle didn't fall for it.
Yankees1962
06-30-07, 08:42 AM
This one seems dead (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/450383,CST-SPT-buehrle30.article).
Apparently, the speculation earlier in the thread that Kenny Williams was trying to extend him at a discount simply to make him easier to shop was not so far fetched. Buehrle didn't fall for it.
That's what the Red Sox did with Arroyo which is why Buehrle didn't fall for it.
Hughes2.50
06-30-07, 09:01 AM
Not that Buehrle is a bad pitcher (he's actually above average), yet, the Yankees should be avoiding any acquisitions like the one that would bring Buehrle to the Yankees. With a career DERA of 113, and with a combined DERA of 123 for his two best years (2001 and 2005) Buehrle does not bring the added value necessary to even remotely consider blocking a rotation spot for one of the members of the Royal Flush.<p>With Hughes locked in once he returns, and, Chamberlain and Horne in a position to challenge for rotation spots in 2008 it is absolutely incumbent upon the Yankees to not dedicate valuable resources toward blocking one of the young stud pitchers (all of whom project to have much better DERA's than Buehrle). <p>Not only does Cashman undoubtedly agree with what I say (about the Yankees pitching studs in waiting), but so too does Kenny Williams (GM of the Whie Sox) who is desparately trying to upgrade his pitching staff with young pitchers ala the Royal Flush - and is more than willing to do so by trading veteran pitchers for prospects with higher ceilings, as soon as he can.
Not only does Cashman undoubtedly agree with what I say (about the Yankees pitching studs in waiting), but so too does Kenny Williams (GM of the Whie Sox) who is desparately trying to upgrade his pitching staff with young pitchers ala the Royal Flush - and is more than willing to do so by trading veteran pitchers for prospects with higher ceilings, as soon as he can.
You mean he's more than willing to trade a pitcher who he might not be able to sign at all or would at the least have to commit 60-70 million dollars to, for one that would be cost controlled for a few years?
SportzStooge007
06-30-07, 10:01 AM
sniff sniff; smells like sign-n-trade to me
Indeed it does.
Many of the teams who are looking for starting pitching aren't looking for mid-season rentals.
This new deal makes him look very attractive to teams since he'll come cheap, and for a long time.
Should the Yankees snag him? Only if the price is right. Like a few guys have said, we have plenty of younger pitching talent available to us who have the potential to be better than Buerhle or at least as good as him in a year or so.
Then again, if we're not giving up much, he can only help. You can never have too much pitching. And by next season, when Phil Hughes, and the others like Rasner are healthy and the younger guys like Clippard and Joba are closer to being major league ready Buerhle can becoming an expendable trading chip to get a corner outfielder or a 1B.
TommyK8
06-30-07, 10:54 AM
That's what the Red Sox did with Arroyo which is why Buehrle didn't fall for it.
Yes, the Red Sox did that with Arroyo, but it's not an apples to apples comparison. The Red Sox locked up Arroyo at 3 years x about 3.75 per year + incentives, but that was coming less than 2 years of being a starter, and the preceding year had an ERA of 4.51 and a WHIP of 1.30. He never enjoyed the type of success he had in Cincinnati last year, and I'm happy that Bronson turned that good year into a 2 year/$25 million contract extension. He currently has a record of 2-9 with a 4.89 ERA and a 1.49 WHIP.
Buehrle has been a far more consistent pitcher over his career, and teams are far more likely to give up a lot of talent for him if he's signed for 4 years than if he's a 3 month rental.
Meecham4ever
06-30-07, 11:46 AM
Not that Buehrle is a bad pitcher (he's actually above average), yet, the Yankees should be avoiding any acquisitions like the one that would bring Buehrle to the Yankees. With a career DERA of 113, and with a combined DERA of 123 for his two best years (2001 and 2005) Buehrle does not bring the added value necessary to even remotely consider blocking a rotation spot for one of the members of the Royal Flush.
With Hughes locked in once he returns, and, Chamberlain and Horne in a position to challenge for rotation spots in 2008 it is absolutely incumbent upon the Yankees to not dedicate valuable resources toward blocking one of the young stud pitchers (all of whom project to have much better DERA's than Buehrle). Not only does Cashman undoubtedly agree with what I say (about the Yankees pitching studs in waiting), but so too does Kenny Williams (GM of the Whie Sox) who is desparately trying to upgrade his pitching staff with young pitchers ala the Royal Flush - and is more than willing to do so by trading veteran pitchers for prospects with higher ceilings, as soon as he can.
I really hope the "Royal Flush" thing doesn't catch on....too much of a temptation to reference toilet humor, etc....you should DUMP this nickname...(D'OH!!) :(
DontHateOnNumber2
06-30-07, 12:00 PM
I thought there were rumors of him getting dealt? We've got to find out the details of this and see if there's a no-trade clause in there. If not he got signed for nice money. Probably because he hasn't been that good lately.
Haywood2K6
06-30-07, 12:04 PM
Not that Buehrle is a bad pitcher (he's actually above average), yet, the Yankees should be avoiding any acquisitions like the one that would bring Buehrle to the Yankees. With a career DERA of 113, and with a combined DERA of 123 for his two best years (2001 and 2005) Buehrle does not bring the added value necessary to even remotely consider blocking a rotation spot for one of the members of the Royal Flush.With Hughes locked in once he returns, and, Chamberlain and Horne in a position to challenge for rotation spots in 2008 it is absolutely incumbent upon the Yankees to not dedicate valuable resources toward blocking one of the young stud pitchers (all of whom project to have much better DERA's than Buehrle).
Not only does Cashman undoubtedly agree with what I say (about the Yankees pitching studs in waiting), but so too does Kenny Williams (GM of the Whie Sox) who is desparately trying to upgrade his pitching staff with young pitchers ala the Royal Flush - and is more than willing to do so by trading veteran pitchers for prospects with higher ceilings, as soon as he can.
Yea, who needs a 200 inning proven American League workhorse lefty like Mark Buehrle who is only 28 years old when you can bring up a horse like Alan Horne ripping through the Eastern League at a torrid pace, I completely see your point there.
TommyK8
06-30-07, 05:07 PM
I really hope the "Royal Flush" thing doesn't catch on....too much of a temptation to reference toilet humor, etc....you should DUMP this nickname...(D'OH!!) :(
I'll tell you without lifting up a single Bill James sabermetric book or citing any statistical analysis that the most hyped rookies over the years have tended not to ever fulfill their promise. I heard to the point of nausea how good Pulsipher, Wilson and Isringhausen were going to be. Alex Escobar was going to be a can't miss prospect. Lastings Millege was the jewel of the Mets system, and the Mets could have had Manny straight up for Lastings and refused to do it. David Clyde, Todd Van Poppel, Mark Prior, Kerry Wood, Edwin Jackson....look back a few years....Edwin Jackson was projected to be a can't miss pitching prospect....if someone ever did an analysis of these highly touted prospects, I believe it would show that most don't make it. By the way, how's Andy Marte doing? Many fans thought he was in the "can't miss" category as well.
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