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NYDCYankee
12-03-06, 07:11 PM
With how expensive pitching is Proctor is a very cost effective closing option for them. Not only that but Cleveland is primed to challenge for the Central and they are really just lacking a closer. (and an SP or two)
bambam51
12-03-06, 07:14 PM
With how expensive pitching is Proctor is a very cost effective closing option for them. Not only that but Cleveland is primed to challenge for the Central and they are really just lacking a closer. (and an SP or two)
Alright, how about Proctor and Karstens for Garko?
bambam51
12-03-06, 07:16 PM
Is that dude actually serious? So, Garko would produce more RBIs than Ortiz and Pujols and have slighly less RBIs than Ryan Howard?
Is that what he is saying?
Not as an Indian he wouldn't.
NYDCYankee
12-03-06, 07:23 PM
Alright, how about Proctor and Karstens for Garko?
I would be open to that as I don't see Karstens in the long term plans.
bambam51
12-03-06, 07:29 PM
I would be open to that as I don't see Karstens in the long term plans.
Alright so Pavano to the Cubs for Ohman which bolsters the pen and allows us to swing Proctor + Karstens to the Indians for Garko.
These are two smaller deals I can see happening.
I also see a blockbuster deal for a frontline starter.
JavyVazquezIsSick
12-03-06, 07:31 PM
My feelings on Garko just went from good to lukewarm after finding out he is a poor defender...
TheInfallibleOne
12-03-06, 07:38 PM
I'd ride a double seated bike to Chicago and of course do all the legwork...
would pavano still be using the rubber donut so as not to reinjure old wounds
bambam51
12-03-06, 07:39 PM
My feelings on Garko just went from good to lukewarm after finding out he is a poor defender...
There are flaws in every player. Garko's a converted catcher. Look how terrible Posada did defensively early in his career as a converted second-baseman. Garko will develop and he'll tighten up his defense. He's still in his mid-twenties. If his defense is still a concern then maybe they don't cut A. Phillips in ST and use him as a late inning defensive replacement again in 2007.
JavyVazquezIsSick
12-03-06, 07:41 PM
There's flaws in every player. Garko's a converted catcher. Look how terrible Posada did defensively early in his career as a converted second-baseman. Garko will develop and he'll tighten up his defense. He's still in his mid-twenties. If his defense is still a concern, maybe they don't cut A. Phillips in ST and use him as a late inning defensive replacement again in 2007.
They aren't going to carry 3 1st basemen. That said, I still want Garko, but I for some reason thought he was at least average, but from all reports I have read defense has always been his large weakness, and last year his numbers at 1st were awful...
YankeePride1967
12-03-06, 07:43 PM
would pavano still be using the rubber donut so as not to reinjure old wounds
Good point. Bicycle isn't a good idea, he could re-bruise his buttocks.
bambam51
12-03-06, 07:46 PM
They aren't going to carry 3 1st basemen. That said, I still want Garko, but I for some reason thought he was at least average, but from all reports I have read defense has always been his large weakness, and last year his numbers at 1st were awful...
Like I said, he's making a transition from his true position but at least it's early in his career. So cut Phillips and let the kid play. People were talking about Matsui learning to play 1b this year and you're worried about Garko? Could be worse. His offense is hard to ignore and worth investing time in developing his D.
Rocketman
12-03-06, 08:00 PM
Ryan Garko was AWESOME in college. He's been awesome every level up since then. What's to stop him from being an awesome first basemen for the Yankees?
Betances in 2010
12-03-06, 08:06 PM
There are flaws in every player. Garko's a converted catcher. Look how terrible Posada did defensively early in his career as a converted second-baseman. Garko will develop and he'll tighten up his defense. He's still in his mid-twenties. If his defense is still a concern then maybe they don't cut A. Phillips in ST and use him as a late inning defensive replacement again in 2007.
Garko's the next version of Chris Shelton....no thank you.
Garko's the next version of Chris Shelton....no thank you.
Shelton is actually pretty decent. Great glove, some pop, hits lefties.
I wouldn't mind having either platoon at the bottom of the lineup.
surge511
12-03-06, 08:15 PM
Are there actually any real rumors of Garko coming to the Yankees? Because if there are, we should be working that hard right now. Proctor and Karstens I doubt the Indians would do. We would have to give them a better SP.
so the question is...if there is an offer on the table should cash wait it out untill ST when Pavano shows he can pitch so we get more in trade?...or... should we just get rid of him so he doesnt further get injured an f**k up our payroll?
If you can get Danks for Pavano, you do it now. No need to wait til the spring.
Are there actually any real rumors of Garko coming to the Yankees? Because if there are, we should be working that hard right now. Proctor and Karstens I doubt the Indians would do. We would have to give them a better SP.
Nah there hasn't been any evidence that Garko is even available.
genius-24
12-03-06, 08:31 PM
believe me Garko is not as good as how his stats indicate. In some indians forums i read he is not as highly regardless as some of us do due to his lack of good defence. I heard most of his RBI's were meaningless and he doesnt really fit on Indians future plan.
NYDCYankee
12-03-06, 08:33 PM
Could Shelton be had? He got sent down and is now blocked.
In Mo I Trust
12-03-06, 08:37 PM
believe me Garko is not as good as how his stats indicate. In some indians forums i read he is not as highly regardless as some of us do due to his lack of good defence. I heard most of his RBI's were meaningless and he doesnt really fit on Indians future plan.
My brother is an Indians fan, he likes Garko, I'll ask him what he thinks of Proctor + for Garko.
genius-24
12-03-06, 09:03 PM
My brother is an Indians fan, he likes Garko, I'll ask him what he thinks of Proctor + for Garko.
if he is your brother then he will definitely say .... NO! :P
Could Shelton be had? He got sent down and is now blocked.
The Yankees shouldn't be interested in Shelton.
He will someday be able to tell his grandkids of the great month he had in the majors ... that's it.
CallOfTheCrow
12-03-06, 09:13 PM
I remember when he went on that tear, people in fantasy leagues everywhere were giving up 3-4 stars on their own rosters for Shelton. I had Shelton & traded him because I was offered Ortiz, Cano, & Kazmir for Shelton & RJ.:)
In Mo I Trust
12-03-06, 09:54 PM
I remember when he went on that tear, people in fantasy leagues everywhere were giving up 3-4 stars on their own rosters for Shelton. I had Shelton & traded him because I was offered Ortiz, Cano, & Kazmir for Shelton & RJ.:)
Any spots open in your league ;) ? That was quite a trade for you.
CallOfTheCrow
12-03-06, 09:55 PM
Any spots open in your league ;) ? That was quite a trade for you.
Seriously, it was a money league too. I nearly choked on the beer I was drinking when I saw this trade proposal.
bambam51
12-03-06, 10:22 PM
We're not the only team who wants a RH 1b like Garko so Proctor straight up is not going to get it done. I read Beane really likes Garko and he has a surplus of relievers to send over to Cleveland, not to mention prospects as well. If the Yankees get Garko, they get the big righty bat that makes an A-rod trade to the Angels more plausible. If you think Billy Beane doesn't feel threatened by that scenario, you're mistaken. He can't win the division with A-rod hitting behind Guerrero. My goodness, if Cashman can get Garko, he should demand Jered Weaver in any A-rod talks. Moreno should pay top dollar to leapfrog Billy Beane's A's.
NYDCYankee
12-03-06, 10:25 PM
http://www.lohud.com/blogs/lohudyankees.html
Stupid Flanders
12-03-06, 10:36 PM
Trade 1 -- that is speculation from George King
True, but Peter Abraham had heard Melky, Duncan and Sanchez for Willis as a possibility
bambam51
12-03-06, 10:44 PM
True, but Peter Abraham had heard Melky, Duncan and Sanchez for Willis as a possibility
I wouldn't cry if that deal happened. I love watching D-train pitch and I think he'd raise the roof in Yankee Stadium.
NYDCYankee
12-03-06, 10:57 PM
True, but Peter Abraham had heard Melky, Duncan and Sanchez for Willis as a possibility
Could Proctor replace someone in that package? They need a closer.
Stupid Flanders
12-03-06, 10:58 PM
Could Proctor replace someone in that package? They need a closer.
I have a feeling Cashman would love to move Proctor instead of Sanchez :D
Steph19
12-03-06, 11:06 PM
I'd do Melky, Sanchez and Duncan but I get the feeling that's still not enough.
CallOfTheCrow
12-03-06, 11:10 PM
lets get the meeting underway, I'm anxious already......
JavyVazquezIsSick
12-03-06, 11:12 PM
True, but Peter Abraham had heard Melky, Duncan and Sanchez for Willis as a possibility
Damn tempting. I didn't see it in his blog?
nycdoc999
12-04-06, 12:41 AM
I'd do any combination of the 3 out of Melky, Sanchez, Duncan, and Proctor....
Willis, while maybe not a true #1, would look pretty damn good in a playoff rotation with Wang, Mussina, and Hughes this year, and would make a great top 3 with Wang and Hughes for years to come.
Melky's a 4th OF at the present with a chance to grow. Who knows what Duncan is. Proctor's value will never be higher than it is, so selling high on him makes sense. Sanchez has significant value, and I'm sure he'd have to go in the deal (Hughes is untradable), and that would hurt, but it's a risk the Yankees would probably take.
NYDCYankee
12-04-06, 12:56 AM
I'd do any combination of the 3 out of Melky, Sanchez, Duncan, and Proctor....
Willis, while maybe not a true #1, would look pretty damn good in a playoff rotation with Wang, Mussina, and Hughes this year, and would make a great top 3 with Wang and Hughes for years to come.
Melky's a 4th OF at the present with a chance to grow. Who knows what Duncan is. Proctor's value will never be higher than it is, so selling high on him makes sense. Sanchez has significant value, and I'm sure he'd have to go in the deal (Hughes is untradable), and that would hurt, but it's a risk the Yankees would probably take.
Would you do all 4?
destiNY
12-04-06, 12:59 AM
I'd do Melky, Sanchez and Duncan but I get the feeling that's still not enough.
There are a ton of question marks there on our side with Sanchez's injury and Duncan's lack of recent production, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was enough for the Marlins.
There are many pluses to having Dontrelle, he's a established young lefty front end starter, and is one of the few pitchers in the NL that I think could put up close to the same #'s in AL. He's pitched well against the red sox and yankees at the stadium and also has solid Post-all star and October numbers. I think I would do that trade, although I loved having Melky as a 4th OFer, but again, pitching wins.
NYDCYankee
12-04-06, 01:03 AM
Larry O'Brien, the agent for free-agent left-hander Ted Lilly, says he plans to meet with Yankees G.M. Brian Cashman in Orlando.
The Yankees retain interest in Lilly even though they won the negotiating rights to Japanese left-hander Kei Igawa, who ultimately could end up in the bullpen. The Cubs and Blue Jays also are vying for Lilly, and the Giants, Mariners and Rangers have expressed interest.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6235962
NYDCYankee
12-04-06, 01:11 AM
Here at the meetings, the Yankees, meanwhile, intend to keep in touch with the agents for pitchers such as Lilly, Meche, Miguel Batista and Vicente Padilla. But they are not willing to pay the going rate for starters.
Cashman has said he would like to find another lefthander for his bullpen, and the odds of Ron Villone's return probably improved after the Indians signed Aaron Fultz to a one-year contract Saturday. The Indians were believed to have some interest in Villone.
It's not out of the realm of possibility that Villone will accept the Yankees' arbitration offer by the Thursday deadline, which would lock him up for next season. While Villone would stand to earn a raise from his $2-million 2006 salary, that still would benefit the Yankees. They would much rather give someone a one-year deal to keep their roster flexible than look for a reliever in a market that has been incredibly player-friendly.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks1204,0,4448699.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines
ANSKYcm
12-04-06, 01:14 AM
Find out what Florida's intentions are. If Willis is on the block, make a reasonable offer. Dangle AROD as the home boy who can put fannies in the seats. Offer AROD at deep discount (salarywise) for Willis and Miguel Cabrera, throwing Melky and Sanchez into the deal.
Just dreaming, but that's what winter meetings are for.
don't do that kind of stuff...it breaks my heart
I <3 Miguel Cabrera
Larry O'Brien, the agent for free-agent left-hander Ted Lilly, says he plans to meet with Yankees G.M. Brian Cashman in Orlando.
The Yankees retain interest in Lilly even though they won the negotiating rights to Japanese left-hander Kei Igawa, who ultimately could end up in the bullpen. The Cubs and Blue Jays also are vying for Lilly, and the Giants, Mariners and Rangers have expressed interest.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6235962
If the Yankees end up signing Lilly, the Igawa calculus that some have put forth (admittedly, not without a reasonable basis) falls of its own weight.
Mattpat11
12-04-06, 01:35 AM
Here at the meetings, the Yankees, meanwhile, intend to keep in touch with the agents for pitchers such as Lilly, Meche, Miguel Batista and Vicente Padilla.
I'd rather go with what we have that sign 4th and 5th starters
NYDCYankee
12-04-06, 01:52 AM
I'd rather go with what we have that sign 4th and 5th starters
Yes yes yes
Dynasties R Forever
12-04-06, 02:14 AM
Seriously, it was a money league too. I nearly choked on the beer I was drinking when I saw this trade proposal.
Did you play hardball and ask for more, lol?
Stupid Flanders
12-04-06, 02:26 AM
Damn tempting. I didn't see it in his blog?
It wasn't, it was in the paper sometime over the last two days
bronxbomberz212
12-04-06, 02:31 AM
True, but Peter Abraham had heard Melky, Duncan and Sanchez for Willis as a possibility
no thanks. willis freaky delivery is a huge injury waiting to happen. i think we need to hang onto all 3 of those guys
no thanks. willis freaky delivery is a huge injury waiting to happen. i think we need to hang onto all 3 of those guys
I always think that too, and aside from how cool it would be to see him hit in the WS for the NYY in an NL ball park, I don't want him on this team. But I don't actually think he's ever been seriously injured due to arm, shoulder or back problems, has he?
genius-24
12-04-06, 08:07 AM
no thanks. willis freaky delivery is a huge injury waiting to happen. i think we need to hang onto all 3 of those guys
EXACTLY!!!! why dont more ppl understand this?
Teams had enought with Marlins pitchers. Look at Pavano, Beckett, Burnett,......all were in similar situations. I would rather wait until Willis becomes FA. There is no gurrentee how he will pan out in AL. Stick with the kids. Let them develop.
BRNXBMRS
12-04-06, 08:29 AM
Whats up with Pettitte, will he sign with anyone over the meetings?
yanksphan
12-04-06, 09:04 AM
EXACTLY!!!! why dont more ppl understand this?
Perhaps b/c people have been saying it for 3 years now, and it hasn't happened?
He's had that delivery since he was in high school. I'm pretty confident his body is used to it.
Roberto Kelly
12-04-06, 09:08 AM
Willis would be a sexy pickup, but not what this club needs at this point. I would much rather keep Melky and Sanchez.
Nettles9
12-04-06, 09:15 AM
Willis would be a sexy pickup, but not what this club needs at this point. I would much rather keep Melky and Sanchez.
I totally agree.
cmaff05
12-04-06, 09:22 AM
Willis would be a sexy pickup, but not what this club needs at this point. I would much rather keep Melky and Sanchez.
You mean the Yankees don't need pitching?
Edit....
I can see that the Dontrlle claim was in the paper, at some point. I find that a bit hard to believe in that Abraham would have brought it up in some form in his blog if that were really the case.
bambam51
12-04-06, 09:36 AM
I suspect that the Marlins basically shut the door on Cashman in regards to Willis. They probably insist on Hughes. When the Yanks became desperate for a lefty, they bid on Igawa. If they thought they could make Willis the lefty for the rotation (or sign a FA to a fair deal), they never would've thrown 26 mil at Igawa. Willis is out of the picture and I would be shocked if the Marlins didn't insist on Hughes. Igawa will be the rotation's sole lefty for the future.
Roberto Kelly
12-04-06, 09:47 AM
You mean the Yankees don't need pitching?
How do you infer that from my post? My post simply opines that the Yankees don't need WILLIS. How do you infer from that I think the Yankees don't need pitching?
destiNY
12-04-06, 11:00 AM
How do you infer that from my post? My post simply opines that the Yankees don't need WILLIS. How do you infer from that I think the Yankees don't need pitching?
I'm guessing the conclusion was drawn because Willis is one of maybe 2 other front line pitchers available on the market, so if your saying you won't give up that kind of talent for him then you don't forsee pitching as a major problem. I drew the same conclusion by your post as well:(
I'm guessing the conclusion was drawn because Willis is one of maybe 2 other front line pitchers available on the market, so if your saying you won't give up that kind of talent for him then you don't forsee pitching as a major problem. I drew the same conclusion by your post as well:(
I didn't. I concluded that he did not want to part with that young talent for Willis, that's all. Not that we did not need some help in the rotation.
In Mo I Trust
12-04-06, 11:07 AM
I'm guessing the conclusion was drawn because Willis is one of maybe 2 other front line pitchers available on the market, so if your saying you won't give up that kind of talent for him then you don't forsee pitching as a major problem. I drew the same conclusion by your post as well:(
I don't think Willis is a frontline starter, he has never been one except for 2005. His WHIP is alarming. I'd rather not make the Beckett/Pavano/Burnett mistake again.
How do you infer that from my post? My post simply opines that the Yankees don't need WILLIS. How do you infer from that I think the Yankees don't need pitching?
If not Willis, who/what do the Yankees need at this point, from who might be available?
IMO Willis is exactly what the Yankees need at this point, just not at any cost.
The Mariners seem bent on trading away Richie Sexson. Carl Pavano for Sexson and Rafael Soriano?
justinvarnes
12-04-06, 11:19 AM
I don't think Willis is a frontline starter, he has never been one except for 2005. His WHIP is alarming. I'd rather not make the Beckett/Pavano/Burnett mistake again.
ESPN.com - MLB - Dontrelle Willis - Florida Marlins - Player Card (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=5470)
His advantages are that he's young (24), pitches lots of innings and he's a lefty and he has the ability to dominate for stretches, but seems to be streaky.
His disadvantages are his 3.44 career ERA in the NL East (3.88 in 2006) and his WHIP. (1.30 for career, 1.42 in 2006). That translates to about a 3.80 - 4.00 ERA in the AL East. Which is good, but not stellar. Over here he would be a #3 starter. (Wang and Mussina's #'s are better, assuming Moose holds up.)
He's definitely worth looking into. But I agree with some posters here that the cost shouldn't be 3 or 4 good, young players.
Sanchez is projected to be a very good starter and has one of the best chances of seeing ML action soon. Melky should see alot of playing time this year spelling our OF'ers. Both could contribute a good deal this season and in the future.
MAYBE those 2, but when you start adding other pieces to the trade, I get less and less interested.
Steph19
12-04-06, 11:21 AM
The Mariners seem bent on trading away Richie Sexson. Carl Pavano for Sexson and Rafael Soriano?
I wouldn't mind acquiring Sexson at all.
JavyVazquezIsSick
12-04-06, 11:23 AM
I wouldn't mind acquiring Sexson at all.
Whats he have left on his contract?
goin for 27
12-04-06, 11:26 AM
Larry O'Brien, the agent for free-agent left-hander Ted Lilly, says he plans to meet with Yankees G.M. Brian Cashman in Orlando.
The Yankees retain interest in Lilly even though they won the negotiating rights to Japanese left-hander Kei Igawa, who ultimately could end up in the bullpen. The Cubs and Blue Jays also are vying for Lilly, and the Giants, Mariners and Rangers have expressed interest.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6235962
That would be amazing if the Yanks shell out this much dough for Igawa, and he winds up in the pen...
IronCaballo4
12-04-06, 11:28 AM
I wouldn't mind acquiring Sexson at all.
it's something to look at, but I reeeeally hope his .204 BA against lefties this past season was a huge fluke :eek:
nycdoc999
12-04-06, 11:30 AM
Sexson?! Another DH?!?
And a guy who Ks 150 times per year?!
I believe he has 2/28 on his deal left - no thanks....
nycdoc999
12-04-06, 11:31 AM
And the Mariners would NEVER do Pavano for Sexson AND Soriano...
They want Bedard for Sexson straight up!
Never gonna happen...
Panamaniac42
12-04-06, 11:32 AM
I'm guessing the conclusion was drawn because Willis is one of maybe 2 other front line pitchers available on the market, so if your saying you won't give up that kind of talent for him then you don't forsee pitching as a major problem. I drew the same conclusion by your post as well:(
Then why not just sign Zito and keep Sanchez & Melky?
Astros GM Tim Purpura said he hasn't decided what to go about his third base situation.
The Astros still have both Morgan Ensberg and Mike Lamb on the roster, and they haven't ruled out re-signing Aubrey Huff, though they won't give him the four-year, $30 million-plus deal he's searching for. "We're obviously going to continue to look at the third base situation and see where we go there," Purpura said. "Some of that will be impacted by the starting pitching situation because of the financial piece of it. The question is do we carry both Lamb and Ensberg and add another starting pitcher? That will be a challenge for us." An Ensberg trade remains likely.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&id=3150
How about Ensberg?
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&id=3150
How about Ensberg?
This has been brought up before. I personally would love to have him at first, however, I don't think the Astros are stupid enough to resign Huff to a huge deal and let him walk when two season ago Ensberg was a force at third.
Panamaniac42
12-04-06, 11:34 AM
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&id=3150
How about Ensberg?
I'd sign Huff before I traded for Ensberg.
And the Mariners would NEVER do Pavano for Sexson AND Soriano...
They want Bedard for Sexson straight up!
Never gonna happen...
No one in their right mind would do Bedard for Sexson. Big Richie provides pure power with adequate defense. He is a K machine and is due $28 million until 2008. They would need to sweeten the deal if they want someone to take on that contract.
JavyVazquezIsSick
12-04-06, 11:35 AM
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&id=3150
How about Ensberg?
Ensberg is a great 3b, playing him at 1st would be an injustice...
it's something to look at, but I reeeeally hope his .204 BA against lefties this past season was a huge fluke :eek:
Yeah, look at his splits in 2005 and 2003, much better.
This has been brought up before. I personally would love to have him at first, however, I don't think the Astros are stupid enough to resign Huff to a huge deal and let him walk when two season ago Ensberg was a force at third.
According to what Purpura has said, It's seems that he will trade away Ensberg because of financial problem. If they want to add another pitcher, it will be hard for them to keep Ensberg and Lamb both.
destiNY
12-04-06, 11:48 AM
Then why not just sign Zito and keep Sanchez & Melky?
Willis is 4 years younger and has better tools, Willis has the potential to be lights out
Everyone has their opinions on these pitchers I'm not gonna get into another long debate over this as it has been hashed over and over again in these threads, I can accept that people will disagree and agree.
Panamaniac42
12-04-06, 11:51 AM
Willis is 4 years younger and has better tools, Willis has the potential to be lights out
Everyone has their opinions on these pitchers I'm not gonna get into another long debate over this as it has been hashed over and over again in these threads, I can accept that people will disagree and agree.
I don't want to get into Willis vs. Zito either, but if, as you said, you foresee pitching as a major problem, would you rather have Zito & Sanchez or just Willis?
destiNY
12-04-06, 11:53 AM
I don't want to get into Willis vs. Zito either, but if, as you said, you foresee pitching as a major problem, would you rather have Zito & Sanchez or just Willis?
Willis, I really want no part of Zito
Sanchez seems destined for the pen, I hope I am wrong, but that lowers his value a great deal
Panamaniac42
12-04-06, 11:55 AM
Willis, I really want no part of Zito
Sanchez seems destined for the pen, I hope I am wrong, but that lowers his value a great deal
I'm not a Zito fan either, but having not seen Sanchez, I guess I just had an inflated view of him from all the good things I had heard.
destiNY
12-04-06, 11:56 AM
I wouldn't be jumping up and down if we traded sanchez and melky for willis, but I wouldn't be too upset either, it would be another risky move, a move I think less risky than signing zito to a crazy deal. My advocation for the deal is minimal, but present
Molina looked over the hill last year. I doubt the Yankees have any interest in him.
Being from Canada i saw almost all his games, he couldn't throw a runner out period.
destiNY
12-04-06, 11:58 AM
I'm not a Zito fan either, but having not seen Sanchez, I guess I just had an inflated view of him from all the good things I had heard.
Understandable, he has tremendous tools, just has been plagued with injuries to the point this is his last year to prove he can log starters innings. With all the pitchers coming through the system, we can afford to trade a non-established young high cieling prospect for a established young very good lefty starter...Thats the line of thinking. I also think KT and Sardinha can replace Melky has a solid 4th ofer very quickly.
carnasphere
12-04-06, 11:59 AM
The Mariners seem bent on trading away Richie Sexson. Carl Pavano for Sexson and Rafael Soriano?
YEAH!! How on earth could the Mariners not take that deal?!?! Man I think we'd be getting ripped off mayb they should throw in Ichiro too...
Panamaniac42
12-04-06, 12:01 PM
YEAH!! How on earth could the Mariners not take that deal?!?! Man I think we'd be getting ripped off mayb they should throw in Ichiro too...
Insightful...thought-provoking.
Willis, I really want no part of Zito
Sanchez seems destined for the pen, I hope I am wrong, but that lowers his value a great deal
Alot of people seem quick to throw him in the pen, however, Cashman seems to be putting alot of stock in him as a starter. The kid is a hard thrower with a very good curve and a developing change, I certainly hope he isn't relegated tot he bullpen.
stupidpunchline
12-04-06, 12:03 PM
Sexson?! Another DH?!?
And a guy who Ks 150 times per year?!
I believe he has 2/28 on his deal left - no thanks....
Sexson is a damn good defensive first baseman.
destiNY
12-04-06, 12:04 PM
Alot of people seem quick to throw him in the pen, however, Cashman seems to be putting alot of stock in him as a starter. The kid is a hard thrower with a very good curve and a developing change, I certainly hope he isn't relegated tot he bullpen.
Me too, it just seemed disheartening to hear how close the tigers were to that move...He's got this year to prove he can remain healthy
Alot of people seem quick to throw him in the pen, however, Cashman seems to be putting alot of stock in him as a starter. The kid is a hard thrower with a very good curve and a developing change, I certainly hope he isn't relegated tot he bullpen.
I sort of doubt that Cashman was thinking BP when he shelled out $25 M for this guy.
destiNY
12-04-06, 12:06 PM
I sort of doubt that Cashman was thinking BP when he shelled out $25 M for this guy.
He's talking about Humberto Sanchez not Igawa
Panamaniac42
12-04-06, 12:07 PM
I sort of doubt that Cashman was thinking BP when he shelled out $25 M for this guy.
I believe they are referring to H. Sanchez & the BP.
destiNY
12-04-06, 12:09 PM
On a side note, Whelan is the real deal, and whatever happens with Sanchez, Whelan might have been the steal of the trade after-all. Also I didn't know about Claggett's stuff, very impressive
I believe they are referring to H. Sanchez & the BP.
Whoops, my bad. Must read more carefully in future. Thanks:)
Roberto Kelly
12-04-06, 12:15 PM
I'm guessing the conclusion was drawn because Willis is one of maybe 2 other front line pitchers available on the market, so if your saying you won't give up that kind of talent for him then you don't forsee pitching as a major problem. I drew the same conclusion by your post as well:(
I don't see Willis as a front line pitcher.
Roberto Kelly
12-04-06, 12:18 PM
I didn't. I concluded that he did not want to part with that young talent for Willis, that's all. Not that we did not need some help in the rotation.
Exactly.
wang+cano=future
12-04-06, 12:18 PM
From LoHud:
"Larry O'Brien, the agent for Ted Lilly, has tried for weeks to tie his client with the Yankees. But once the team made its bid for Kei Igawa, the Yankees lost all interest in Lilly. Now rumor has it that he is close to signing with the Cubs."
http://www.lohud.com/blogs/lohudyankees.html
Sweet no Lilly. Let him sign with the Cubs and stop trying to use the Yankees in driving up his cost.
Me too, it just seemed disheartening to hear how close the tigers were to that move...He's got this year to prove he can remain healthy
The Tigers were going to move him to the pen more out of necessity than anything else. They already had Verlander, Bonderman, Robertson, and Kenny Rogers all providing very high quality innings with Zumaya in the pen. If they were able to add anogther hard thrower to pair with Zumaya and Rodney they may have had the opportunity to have the best overall pitching in the league.
If not Willis, who/what do the Yankees need at this point, from who might be available?
IMO Willis is exactly what the Yankees need at this point, just not at any cost.
Hughes, Sanchez and Clippard? That's who I think they need.
The Tigers were going to move him to the pen more out of necessity than anything else. They already had Verlander, Bonderman, Robertson, and Kenny Rogers all providing very high quality innings with Zumaya in the pen. If they were able to add anogther hard thrower to pair with Zumaya and Rodney they may have had the opportunity to have the best overall pitching in the league.
Exactly. The talk had been that Sanchez would be blocked as a starter, but that they could get him up if they put him in the pen and the reevaluate all of those gues after a while.
NelsonMuntz
12-04-06, 12:39 PM
Whoops, my bad. Must read more carefully in future. Thanks:)
The same logic pretty much applies to Sanchez though. Cashman did not waste a trading chip like Sheffield on an unproven middle reliever. I have no doubts that the Yankees view Sanchez as a starter as long as he can stay healthy.
The same logic pretty much applies to Sanchez though. Cashman did not waste a trading chip like Sheffield on an unproven middle reliever. I have no doubts that the Yankees view Sanchez as a starter as long as he can stay healthy.
Or as trade bait.
bronxbomberz212
12-04-06, 03:00 PM
i think trading sanchez is a mistake. you wanna talk about a dominating rotation, hughes sanchez and wang as your 1-3 by 2008. throw in mussina and i'm guessing igawa. i like the sound of that quite a bit. i'm not sold on willis just as i'm not sold on zito. and i'm not comparing the two because imo willis is much better than zito. but that delivery scares the crap out of me. i don't see him being able to sustain dominance when that delivery causes a freak arm injury. and then you stuck with him and you traded sanchez duncan and cabrera or even proctor. if sanchez is to be traded i'd rather get jared weaver lol, but i know that happening.
Panamaniac42
12-04-06, 03:01 PM
:lol:
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/column.aspx?sport=MLB&columnid=151&articleid=27213
Even if you don't recognize the face—plenty of the truly essential people at these meetings are relative unknowns to the baseball-watching public—there seems to be a quick-and-dirty method to determine how important someone is. The less important someone is—that is, the less pull they have in their respective field and the fewer people know them—the more dressed up they seem to be.
Twenty-something college students looking for internships and entry-level jobs are dressed in suits, with gelled-up hair and fancy ties. At the other end of the spectrum, Gammons was chatting up no fewer than a half-dozen people in the lobby while wearing shorts and a t-shirt.
bronxbomberz212
12-04-06, 03:07 PM
I always think that too, and aside from how cool it would be to see him hit in the WS for the NYY in an NL ball park, I don't want him on this team. But I don't actually think he's ever been seriously injured due to arm, shoulder or back problems, has he?
to my knowledge he hasn't been had any serious injury problems just yet. but that violent pitching motion is gonna cause him arm troubles in the future. and i think we have a better shot at keeping sanchez healthy and him being a dominate # 2 behind hughes, than we do at avoiding a serious problem with dontrelle and his wacky delivery.
Panamaniac42
12-04-06, 03:07 PM
Saw this in Abraham's blog...does he have something against Torre?
Starting tomorrow, most of the managers will be on hand and will meet with the media. Joe Torre usually does not attend and that will be the case again this season. Why not? Because he's Joe Torre. It's not right that everybody else goes and he doesn't but that's how it is.
Let the guy find some peace & quiet in Hawaii and get rid of the bags under his eyes. He's not making personnel decisions at the winter meetings (and that's a good thing), why does he have to be there?
bronxbomberz212
12-04-06, 03:13 PM
Perhaps b/c people have been saying it for 3 years now, and it hasn't happened?
He's had that delivery since he was in high school. I'm pretty confident his body is used to it.
i understand your point. but in my honest opinion it's too much of a risk. plus another poster i think on page 11 maybe or 12 has some interesting info of how "well" mr willis would probably do in the al east. he puts his era aound 3.80 -4.00 and probably a number 3 or 4 starter on this team. no thanks we've got plenty of those types and we don't have to give away a solid number 2 in sanchez, possibly our future first baseman if he could turn it around, and this years fourth outfielder who will likely see a lot of playing time and is possibly a starter in 2008. and anyways, don't you think the marlins would probably laugh at the trade proposal of sanchez cabrera and duncan. they'd insist on hughes. again i say no thanks. no way does our number one prospect get traded for d-train.
Saw this in Abraham's blog...does he have something against Torre?
Did you read Abraham around the time Joe was going to get fired?
He most definitely does not have something against him. He's very pro-Joe, overall. He's just not 'blind' to any faults.
Dr. Gonzo
12-04-06, 03:30 PM
here is some nonsense
http://americanhooligans.com/2006/12/04/oh-please-oh-please-oh-please/
Panamaniac42
12-04-06, 03:30 PM
Did you read Abraham around the time Joe was going to get fired?
He most definitely does not have something against him. He's very pro-Joe, overall. He's just not 'blind' to any faults.
Actually I hadn't been reading Abraham around that time - I was avoiding the media altogether.
Overall I like Abe's blog. Just didn't see a need for Torre to be at the Winter Meetings...before you know it he's in a hot tub with Boras and Bernie is coming back to be our first baseman. ;)
bambam51
12-04-06, 03:44 PM
Actually I hadn't been reading Abraham around that time - I was avoiding the media altogether.
Overall I like Abe's blog. Just didn't see a need for Torre to be at the Winter Meetings...before you know it he's in a hot tub with Boras and Bernie is coming back to be our first baseman. ;)
:roflmao:
By far the funniest thing said on these boards since I've been here!!!
Thank you for that.
Saw this in Abraham's blog...does he have something against Torre?
Let the guy find some peace & quiet in Hawaii and get rid of the bags under his eyes. He's not making personnel decisions at the winter meetings (and that's a good thing), why does he have to be there?
I don't think Abraham is anti- Torre. He is simply being completely honest. It is not right that every coach is there for the media, but Torre gets to skip out on it to drink colorfful drinks with umbrellas under the bright Hawaii sunshine. It is simply ridiculous that Joe gets to completely ignore crucial offseason decisions, simply because he wants some time off.
When Randy Johnson was obtained, he didn't even bother to get up off the cot and come to New York.
Panamaniac42
12-04-06, 03:54 PM
I don't think Abraham is anti- Torre. He is simply being completely honest. It is not right that every coach is there for the media, but Torre gets to skip out on it to drink colorfful drinks with umbrellas under the bright Hawaii sunshine. It is simply ridiculous that Joe gets to completely ignore crucial offseason decisions, simply because he wants some time off.
When Randy Johnson was obtained, he didn't even bother to get up off the cot and come to New York.
Understandable but if the Yanks are okay with it then obviously his presence is not necessary. I guess even more so this year with him being the lame duck manager.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcA_P5NZZ7c&eurl=
I wouldn't want to get up off the beach either :P
I don't think Abraham is anti- Torre. He is simply being completely honest. It is not right that every coach is there for the media, but Torre gets to skip out on it to drink colorfful drinks with umbrellas under the bright Hawaii sunshine. It is simply ridiculous that Joe gets to completely ignore crucial offseason decisions, simply because he wants some time off.
When Randy Johnson was obtained, he didn't even bother to get up off the cot and come to New York.
I'm sure Cashman knows what talents Joe wants/needs and how he feels about specific players, so I doubt cashman needs him there.
If he goes just to meet and greet the press, he should stay away. He does that more than anyone during the season.
donniesrecordholdsup
12-04-06, 04:05 PM
if you read his blog at all after the yanks collapse to the tigers you would know he is anything but anti torre. in fact he was nauseatingly pro torre.
Ghost of Dan Pasqua
12-04-06, 04:07 PM
I don't think Abraham is anti- Torre. He is simply being completely honest. It is not right that every coach is there for the media, but Torre gets to skip out on it to drink colorfful drinks with umbrellas under the bright Hawaii sunshine. It is simply ridiculous that Joe gets to completely ignore crucial offseason decisions, simply because he wants some time off.
When Randy Johnson was obtained, he didn't even bother to get up off the cot and come to New York.
Do phones not work in Hawaii? If there is a big decision, and Cashman wants Torre's input (and he usually does), he can pick up a phone and discuss it. Otherwise, it's a media festival there and with the possible exception of Willie Randolph and Francona on the same level, no one deals with more media during the season than Torre does. That's one of the main parts of his job. I don't always agree with Torre's decisions, but he is due some time off, and he's no spring chicken anymore.
JavyVazquezIsSick
12-04-06, 04:29 PM
Who cares? Joe shouldn't be making personnel decisions anyways, just let him manage the players we get, thats what he is good for...
Stupid Flanders
12-04-06, 04:37 PM
Saw this in Abraham's blog...does he have something against Torre?
Let the guy find some peace & quiet in Hawaii and get rid of the bags under his eyes. He's not making personnel decisions at the winter meetings (and that's a good thing), why does he have to be there?
Because every other manager will be there and it's pretty much expected for everyone except Teflon Joe.
genius-24
12-04-06, 04:38 PM
Who cares? Joe shouldn't be making personnel decisions anyways, just let him manage the players we get, thats what he is good for...
Ditto...i bet joe doesn't know Tanyon isn't a yankee anymore and he shouldnt...AT ALL!
CallOfTheCrow
12-04-06, 04:40 PM
I'll bet Torre is on the horn with Cashmoney more often then not & if he's not on the phone, he's communicating through email or fax or something. Yes, Torre is kicking back in the tropics but I sincerely doubt he is not in any contact with Cash & is in his own little Joey world.
yankeeman61
12-04-06, 04:43 PM
I don't think Abraham is anti- Torre. He is simply being completely honest. It is not right that every coach is there for the media, but Torre gets to skip out on it to drink colorfful drinks with umbrellas under the bright Hawaii sunshine. It is simply ridiculous that Joe gets to completely ignore crucial offseason decisions, simply because he wants some time off.
When Randy Johnson was obtained, he didn't even bother to get up off the cot and come to New York.
If you want to legitimately criticize Torre for what he does as the field manager, you would be following in the footsteps of millions of fans who have excercized that right throughout baseball history. But IMO it's a pretty far reach to criticize him for not also doing the GM's job. I'm pretty certain Joe has input with Cashman and I'm pretty confident Cashman can handle the whole job thereafter.
If you want to legitimately criticize Torre for what he does as the field manager, you would be following in the footsteps of millions of fans who have excercized that right throughout baseball history. But IMO it's a pretty far reach to criticize him for not also doing the GM's job. I'm pretty certain Joe has input with Cashman and I'm pretty confident Cashman can handle the whole job thereafter.
Word.
Well, except for the "criticize Joe" part.:D
YankeePride1967
12-04-06, 04:46 PM
Besides George King's speculating, has there been any REAL mention of the Yanks pursuing Willis?
Stupid Flanders
12-04-06, 05:04 PM
Who cares? Joe shouldn't be making personnel decisions anyways, just let him manage the players we get, thats what he is good for...
The manager's major role there is to schmooze with the agents and media and take some of the burden off the GM
CallOfTheCrow
12-04-06, 05:05 PM
Besides George King's speculating, has there been any REAL mention of the Yanks pursuing Willis?
I've heard nothing of the sort.
JavyVazquezIsSick
12-04-06, 05:11 PM
The manager's major role there is to schmooze with the agents and media and take some of the burden off the GM
You don't think Cashman can handle the pressure? You honestly think this, winter GM meetings, out of all the crap he has been through, in the least bit affects him? I'm sure he has whoever he needs to do his job there with him.
Zimmers' Helmet
12-04-06, 05:12 PM
Besides George King's speculating, has there been any REAL mention of the Yanks pursuing Willis?
I hope that there isn't because pursuing Willis would be a huge mistake.
His numbers simply don't justify the talent it would require to acquire him; and the workload he has had at such a young age all point towards a disaster waiting to happen. He's fun to watch, but he's not nearly as good as many are making him out to be.
YankeePride1967
12-04-06, 05:17 PM
I hope that there isn't because pursuing Willis would be a huge mistake.
His numbers simply don't justify the talent it would require to acquire him; and the workload he has had at such a young age all point towards a disaster waiting to happen. He's fun to watch, but he's not nearly as good as many are making him out to be.
I agree. He would cost ace level compensation but not give it.
Metroidman
12-04-06, 05:50 PM
So Jim Bowden was on ESPNews
He says there is a trade in the works that will shake the Baseball world.He also said in the next 72 hours it would be done and that Peter Gammons or Steve Phillips would report on it.He also dodged the question when asked if it was the Nationals were in on the trade.
CallOfTheCrow
12-04-06, 05:51 PM
The Nationals? What do they have to offer besides Zimmerman & NJ?
EDIT
Oh yeah, I forgot about Cordero.
Zimmers' Helmet
12-04-06, 05:52 PM
So Jim Bowden was on ESPNews
He says there is a trade in the works that will shake the Baseball world.He also said in the next 72 hours it would be done and that Peter Gammons or Steve Phillips would report on it.He also dodged the question when asked if it was the Nationals were in on the trade.
Probably means that Boston is trading M-Ram; probably to the Dodgers...
Metroidman
12-04-06, 05:52 PM
Well NESN is doing the Red Sox Hot stove thing right now, and Gordon Edes was talking about Manny being involved in a three team deal with possibly the Giants and the Nats. Take it for what it's worth I guess. Chad Cordero would almost definitely be a part of that, or at least that is what i think.
StatenIslandYankee
12-04-06, 05:54 PM
Friend of mine up in Boston said there have been some hot rumors on Manny going to the Giants, any news on that?
JavyVazquezIsSick
12-04-06, 05:56 PM
Friend of mine up in Boston said there have been some hot rumors on Manny going to the Giants, any news on that?
Cain better not be involved...
Metroidman
12-04-06, 05:57 PM
If the Giants trade Cain for Manny they're the stupidest team in all of baseball
StatenIslandYankee
12-04-06, 06:04 PM
If the Giants trade Cain for Manny they're the stupidest team in all of baseball
I agree :mad:
CallOfTheCrow
12-04-06, 06:07 PM
Well NESN is doing the Red Sox Hot stove thing right now, and Gordon Edes was talking about Manny being involved in a three team deal with possibly the Giants and the Nats. Take it for what it's worth I guess. Chad Cordero would almost definitely be a part of that, or at least that is what i think.
hmmm so would Manny be traded to the Nats for Chad Cordero +whoever else which would fill the closer problem for Boston. Then perhaps Manny is swung over to the Giants for Matt Cain+whoever else.
That's my guess.
Metroidman
12-04-06, 06:08 PM
There is no way the Giants would be stupid enough to trade Cain
...RIGHT?
genius-24
12-04-06, 06:09 PM
YUP, not happening...
Zimmers' Helmet
12-04-06, 06:12 PM
There is no way the Giants would be stupid enough to trade Cain
...RIGHT?
Wanna bet?
kobayashimaru
12-04-06, 06:13 PM
There is no way the Giants would be stupid enough to trade Cain
...RIGHT?
remember Nathan, Boosner, and Liriano trade?
Panamaniac42
12-04-06, 06:16 PM
There is no way the Giants would be stupid enough to trade Cain
...RIGHT?
Eh, NL West teams seem to like being molested by the Red Sox. Nothing will surprise me.
Panamaniac42
12-04-06, 06:18 PM
From Abraham's blog if you haven't seen it:
Brian Cashman was wearing jeans, white sneakers, a yellow Winged Foot golf shirt and holding a football when he welcomed us into his suite. The football, he said, came from his office. He likes tossing it around as he thinks. Cashman also had a Bose Sound Dock set up so he could play his iPod Nano. "My hip-hop music is here," he said.
:lol:
South Facing Epitaph
12-04-06, 06:25 PM
Why are the same people who are against trading A-Rod for young pitching terrified of seeing Manny traded for young pitching? Especially when Manny is a bigger offensive force.
Billingsly? F him I want to keep A-Rod!
Cain for Manny? OMG the Giants can't do that, oh noes!
Metroidman
12-04-06, 06:27 PM
Because Cain >>>>> Billingsly
If we could trade ARod for Cain straight up I'd do it
JavyVazquezIsSick
12-04-06, 06:30 PM
From Abraham's blog if you haven't seen it:
:lol:
Thats hilarious.
* A lot of teams have asked about Humberto Sanchez, Chris Britton and Melky Cabrera.
Interesting, that package would be pretty decent, but I'd rather keep Britton and give them Proctor.
* He said teams still try and pry Phil Hughes away. No chance.
Very good...
* "A few stragglers" still ask about Alex Rodriguez. Not happening.
Bummer...
bambam51
12-04-06, 07:16 PM
Because Cain >>>>> Billingsly
If we could trade ARod for Cain straight up I'd do it
Do you think Cain is better than Jered Weaver? Do you think Cain can do what Jered Weaver did in the AL this year?
Panamaniac42
12-04-06, 07:23 PM
Why are the same people who are against trading A-Rod for young pitching terrified of seeing Manny traded for young pitching? Especially when Manny is a bigger offensive force.
Billingsly? F him I want to keep A-Rod!
Cain for Manny? OMG the Giants can't do that, oh noes!
ARod > Manny
Cain > Billingsley
Yeah if you want to say "Manny is a bigger offensive force", well he holds the edge in career OPS (1.011 to 0.958), but ARod's 241 SB's and 80% success rate, as well as having been a Gold Glove SS who can also play a decent 3b helps his value. ARod is 3 years younger, may have had some gag jobs in his time in NY but never quit on his team. Manny "Oh we lost 5 in a row to the Yankees? I'm packing it in for the rest of the season."
As far as the young pitchers, both being the same age, I believe Cain not only has a higher ceiling, but he's already proven himself at the MLB level. He went out and tossed 190+ innings last year, had a few hiccups but was nasty after the break. Billingsley (90 MLB innings thus far and a 1:1 K:BB ratio) - I am sure he will be good but Cain is a surer bet. He's already gotten it done.
And the main rumor surrounding ARod was centered around Ervin Santana. You generalized "young pitching" in your post. As someone else said, I'd likely trade ARod for Cain straight up.
bronxbomberz212
12-04-06, 07:34 PM
I hope that there isn't because pursuing Willis would be a huge mistake.
His numbers simply don't justify the talent it would require to acquire him; and the workload he has had at such a young age all point towards a disaster waiting to happen. He's fun to watch, but he's not nearly as good as many are making him out to be.
Amen!!! well said zimmer's helmet. the only person speaking of willis and the yankees is george king, but as someone said it was speculation. and i truly hope cashmen doesn't have blinders on when it comes to this kid. he will cost too much, and i think his arm motion when he pitches is at some point going to cause him to have a major injury. i don't get why lots of people on here are salvating at the thought of getting him, especially at the expense of sanchez, who hours before we got him, many people were salvating over as well.
bronxbomberz212
12-04-06, 07:38 PM
ARod > Manny
Cain > Billingsley
Yeah if you want to say "Manny is a bigger offensive force", well he holds the edge in career OPS (1.011 to 0.958), but ARod's 241 SB's and 80% success rate, as well as having been a Gold Glove SS who can also play a decent 3b helps his value. ARod is 3 years younger, may have had some gag jobs in his time in NY but never quit on his team. Manny "Oh we lost 5 in a row to the Yankees? I'm packing it in for the rest of the season."
As far as the young pitchers, both being the same age, I believe Cain not only has a higher ceiling, but he's already proven himself at the MLB level. He went out and tossed 190+ innings last year, had a few hiccups but was nasty after the break. Billingsley (90 MLB innings thus far and a 1:1 K:BB ratio) - I am sure he will be good but Cain is a surer bet. He's already gotten it done.
And the main rumor surrounding ARod was centered around Ervin Santana. You generalized "young pitching" in your post. As someone else said, I'd likely trade ARod for Cain straight up.
what number starter would you consider santana? i'm curious. i personally want to keep a-rod. and could you maybe tell me a little bit about matt cain, i haven't heard of him.
ABCBaseball
12-04-06, 07:49 PM
ARod > Manny
Cain > Billingsley
Yeah if you want to say "Manny is a bigger offensive force", well he holds the edge in career OPS (1.011 to 0.958), but ARod's 241 SB's and 80% success rate, as well as having been a Gold Glove SS who can also play a decent 3b helps his value. ARod is 3 years younger, may have had some gag jobs in his time in NY but never quit on his team. Manny "Oh we lost 5 in a row to the Yankees? I'm packing it in for the rest of the season."
As far as the young pitchers, both being the same age, I believe Cain not only has a higher ceiling, but he's already proven himself at the MLB level. He went out and tossed 190+ innings last year, had a few hiccups but was nasty after the break. Billingsley (90 MLB innings thus far and a 1:1 K:BB ratio) - I am sure he will be good but Cain is a surer bet. He's already gotten it done.
And the main rumor surrounding ARod was centered around Ervin Santana. You generalized "young pitching" in your post. As someone else said, I'd likely trade ARod for Cain straight up.You have to get more then just Cain. Thats why a team like the Angels or the Dodgers with alot of prospects is the best matchup.
In Mo I Trust
12-04-06, 07:56 PM
There is no way the Giants would be stupid enough to trade Cain
...RIGHT?
They shouldn't, but I could see the Giants wilting and thinking they have to make a big splash in order to compensate for not bringing Bonds back.
NYDCYankee
12-04-06, 07:58 PM
The Giants are open to trading Lowry. I wonder if the Yankees could put together a package starting with Melky for him?
bambam51
12-04-06, 08:00 PM
Never heard of Lowry. Who is he?
flymick24
12-04-06, 08:02 PM
The Giants are open to trading Lowry. I wonder if the Yankees could put together a package starting with Melky for him?
he's not very good. at 25, he's still young, but his K rate dropped off tremendously last year, and he's prone to injury.
NYDCYankee
12-04-06, 08:02 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=5779
26 year old lefty with good stuff.
NYDCYankee
12-04-06, 08:03 PM
he's not very good. at 25, he's still young, but his K rate dropped off tremendously last year, and he's prone to injury.
He was dissappointing last year, coming off a good year. I think he could be a great back end of the rotation option for the Yankees.
CallOfTheCrow
12-04-06, 08:04 PM
His numbers dont really impress me, what kind of package are you thinking about?
CallOfTheCrow
12-04-06, 08:05 PM
If we're parting ways with Melky + more, I want someone better then a back of the rotation pitcher.
NYDCYankee
12-04-06, 08:06 PM
His numbers dont really impress me, what kind of package are you thinking about?
Maybe a Melky/Britton. Who knows though? Maybe just Melky could get it done.
flymick24
12-04-06, 08:06 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=5779
26 year old lefty with good stuff.
his stuff is actually very similar to igawa's... same repetoire, same velocity on their pitches.
the yankees would be better off keeping melky.
NYDCYankee
12-04-06, 08:07 PM
If we're parting ways with Melky + more, I want someone better then a back of the rotation pitcher.
I can understand that.
bambam51
12-04-06, 08:07 PM
If we're parting ways with Melky + more, I want someone better then a back of the rotation pitcher.
Exactly. Karstens and Rasner could easily match Lowry's numbers in the NL. We already have the back-end of the rotation accounted for. We need a frontline starter to make this team the WS favorite.
StatenIslandYankee
12-04-06, 08:07 PM
The Giants are open to trading Lowry. I wonder if the Yankees could put together a package starting with Melky for him?
I'd pass ... they would want too much, IMHO
ABCBaseball
12-04-06, 08:08 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=5779
26 year old lefty with good stuff.He really regressed last year...
NYDCYankee
12-04-06, 08:09 PM
If you check Lowry's game log he had one awful game
9/18 @Col L 8-20 1.1 9 9 9 2 2 0 5 3 15 45 L(7-10) -- 4.70
Resulting in the high ERA.
flymick24
12-04-06, 08:10 PM
If you check Lowry's game log he had one awful game
9/18 @Col L 8-20 1.1 9 9 9 2 2 0 5 3 15 45 L(7-10) -- 4.70
Resulting in the high ERA.
his ERA+ in 2006 was 95, which is below average.
CallOfTheCrow
12-04-06, 08:24 PM
Wang, Mussina, Johnson, Pavano, Igawa (assuming he is signed)
Karstens/Rasner ready whenever they are needed once Pavano gets bitten on the ass by a lobster & has to miss 5 weeks & if Johnson's back goes out. Then we have Hughes, White, Clippard, & Sanchez waiting in the wings after them.
If the Yanks are going to go after anybody, it should be a legitimate #1 or #2 SP. What we currently have on the roster & down on the farm, I think, is superior to most big league teams' back of the rotation starters.
JavyVazquezIsSick
12-04-06, 08:27 PM
Wang, Mussina, Johnson, Pavano, Igawa (assuming he is signed)
Karstens/Rasner ready whenever they are needed once Pavano gets bitten on the ass by a lobster & has to miss 5 weeks & if Johnson's back goes out. Then we have Hughes, White, Clippard, & Sanchez waiting in the wings after them.
If the Yanks are going to go after anybody, it should be a legitimate #1 or #2 SP. What we currently have on the roster & down on the farm, I think, is superior to most big league teams' back of the rotation starters.
Seriously, we really don't need anymore back of the rotation starters, I thought we had enough before Igawa but whatever, we have him and can see his purpose...
bambam51
12-04-06, 08:28 PM
Wang, Mussina, Johnson, Pavano, Igawa (assuming he is signed)
Karstens/Rasner ready whenever they are needed once Pavano gets bitten on the ass by a lobster & has to miss 5 weeks & if Johnson's back goes out. Then we have Hughes, White, Clippard, & Sanchez waiting in the wings after them.
If the Yanks are going to go after anybody, it should be a legitimate #1 or #2 SP. What we currently have on the roster & down on the farm, I think, is superior to most big league teams' back of the rotation starters.
Well said:D
NYDCYankee
12-04-06, 08:29 PM
Wang, Mussina, Johnson, Pavano, Igawa (assuming he is signed)
Karstens/Rasner ready whenever they are needed once Pavano gets bitten on the ass by a lobster & has to miss 5 weeks & if Johnson's back goes out. Then we have Hughes, White, Clippard, & Sanchez waiting in the wings after them.
If the Yanks are going to go after anybody, it should be a legitimate #1 or #2 SP. What we currently have on the roster & down on the farm, I think, is superior to most big league teams' back of the rotation starters.
Listen I dont disagree. If I had my way. The rotation would be:
Wang
Moose
Hughes
Sanchez
Clippard
BroadwayBomber55
12-04-06, 08:30 PM
The Giants are open to trading Lowry. I wonder if the Yankees could put together a package starting with Melky for him?
The SF Giants don't have anythin' to trade with teams like us. Their farm system is very thin.
I don't think Noah Lowry is any good. I've seen him pitch at AT&T Park and his stuff is ok. But the Giants already traded away Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano, Shairon Martis, and other farmhands for quick fixes.
If Brian Sabean wants Melky Cabrera, he needs to give me Matt Cain or Brad Hennessey, not Noah Lowry.
JavyVazquezIsSick
12-04-06, 08:31 PM
Listen I dont disagree. If I had my way. The rotation would be:
Wang
Moose
Hughes
Sanchez
Clippard
:lol: That rotation is sick, wher'd you get that from?
Listen I dont disagree. If I had my way. The rotation would be:
Wang
Moose
Hughes
Sanchez
Clippard
You must really want Torre to finish off Scott Proctors arm once and for all.
cmaff05
12-04-06, 08:31 PM
Listen I dont disagree. If I had my way. The rotation would be:
Wang
Moose
Hughes
Sanchez
Clippard
Never mind the fact that there is a total combination of around 50 total innings in AAA pitched among the bottom 3.
BroadwayBomber55
12-04-06, 08:31 PM
Wang, Mussina, Johnson, Pavano, Igawa (assuming he is signed)
Karstens/Rasner ready whenever they are needed once Pavano gets bitten on the ass by a lobster & has to miss 5 weeks & if Johnson's back goes out. Then we have Hughes, White, Clippard, & Sanchez waiting in the wings after them.
If the Yanks are going to go after anybody, it should be a legitimate #1 or #2 SP. What we currently have on the roster & down on the farm, I think, is superior to most big league teams' back of the rotation starters.
Ditto. Well stated.
Metroidman
12-04-06, 08:32 PM
Why dont you guys think this way?
Moose
Wang
RJ
Pavano/Igawa(lol)
Sanchez who is shut down after 160IP and Hughes takes over
SIMPLE HUH?
BroadwayBomber55
12-04-06, 08:34 PM
There is no way the Giants would be stupid enough to trade Cain
...RIGHT?
If the Giants make that deal, Brian Sabean is an idiot. The Giants farm system is as thin as a toothpick.
The Giants already dealt Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano, Shairon Martis, and now they want to dump Matt Cain in this 3-way? That's plain old silly.
CanoDropsBombs
12-04-06, 08:35 PM
could you maybe tell me a little bit about matt cain, i haven't heard of him.
how have people on this board not heard of cain or lowry? do some yankee fans cover their ears when people talk about the rest of the league or show them on ESPN?
bambam51
12-04-06, 08:36 PM
You must really want Torre to finish off Scott Proctors arm once and for all.
:lol:
JavyVazquezIsSick
12-04-06, 08:36 PM
I think the better question is, does infact Cano drop bombs?
CanoDropsBombs
12-04-06, 08:37 PM
If Brian Sabean wants Melky Cabrera, he needs to give me Matt Cain or Brad Hennessey, not Noah Lowry.
come on, you're giving us a bad name by undervaluing lowry and overrating melky. Melky for any of those guys would be a great trade for us.
NYDCYankee
12-04-06, 08:38 PM
:lol: That rotation is sick, wher'd you get that from?
I got it from AAA :)
Metroidman
12-04-06, 08:39 PM
lol you guys are insane if any team would give you Cain for Melky....
Oh wait the Giants? Pfft Henn for Cain or no deal
NYDCYankee
12-04-06, 08:40 PM
You must really want Torre to finish off Scott Proctors arm once and for all.
No. The other guys in the pen can pitch instead especially when it is 9-2.
No. The other guys in the pen can pitch instead especially when it is 9-2.
But Torre likes to work Proctor in those games to loosen him up for when we actually need him.
CanoDropsBombs
12-04-06, 08:46 PM
But Torre likes to work Proctor in those games to loosen him up for when we actually need him.
you guys remember when proctor came into a game in the 8th when we were up like 12-2 in mid/late summer? There really were no game situations that torre didn't mind using proc.
BroadwayBomber55
12-04-06, 08:47 PM
come on, you're giving us a bad name by undervaluing lowry and overrating melky. Melky for any of those guys would be a great trade for us.
http://www2.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/players/Matt_Cain on Matt Cain
Assets: Throws a hot, sinking fastball in the mid-90s. He's a big, smart pitcher, who adds a strong curveball and solid change-up to his repertoire.
Flaws: Needs to work on getting ahead in the count more often, which means his command needs work.
On Noah Lowry
http://www2.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/players/Noah_Lowry/
Assets: Lowry has excellent command over a strong curveball, plus a great change-up and low-90s heat. He's mentally tough.
Flaws: Takes a while to heat up early in the season. Struggles with runners in scoring position and needs to develop more stamina.
On Brad Hennessey
http://www2.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/players/Brad_Hennessey/
Assets: A mean slider is set up by diving 90-mph heat and a good change-up with sink. He has a good head on his shoulders.
Flaws: Needs to avoid getting hit hard in the early innings and improve his approach against left-handed hitters.
Fine, let's get all three of them. Nah, Brian Sabean won't fall for that trap. I'll pick Matt Cain out of 3.
CallOfTheCrow
12-04-06, 08:49 PM
Listen I dont disagree. If I had my way. The rotation would be:
Wang
Moose
Hughes
Sanchez
Clippard
Don't get me wrong, I didn't mean for you to interpret what I said as "no, you're wrong...it should be like this."
Once I start ranting about a topic, especially the Yankees....it's hard for me to stop. lol
BroadwayBomber55
12-04-06, 08:51 PM
lol you guys are insane if any team would give you Cain for Melky....
Oh wait the Giants? Pfft Henn for Cain or no deal
Oh. Melky and Sean Henn for Cain, Brad Hennessey, and Noah Lowry. :P Nah.
In Mo I Trust
12-04-06, 08:52 PM
you guys remember when proctor came into a game in the 8th when we were up like 12-2 in mid/late summer? There really were no game situations that torre didn't mind using proc.
Proctor was the set up man and the long man for a long stretch last year. Good times.
CallOfTheCrow
12-04-06, 08:52 PM
What's the ETA on Britton's arm hanging on by a thread?
There really were no game situations that torre didn't mind using proc.
Its a joke but if you think Torre abuses Proctor, the sad thing is there are 4 other guys ahead of Everyday Scotty in appearances and the top 2 were on the Pirates.
cmaff05
12-04-06, 08:54 PM
Its a joke but if you think Torre abuses Proctor, the sad thing is there are 4 other guys ahead of Everyday Scotty in appearances and the top 2 were on the Pirates.
No reliever in the league pitched 102 inninngs. When Joe had Proctor in, he pitched him for 2-3 innings at a time.
CallOfTheCrow
12-04-06, 08:57 PM
It's a miracle there was only a clicking sound in Proctor's elbow.....
What's the ETA on Britton's arm hanging on by a thread?
Well it looked like Joe was getting pretty comfortable with Bruney at the end of the season so if this is Joes last year Brittons arm may actually be safe.
When Joe had Proctor in, he pitched him for 2-3 innings at a time.
Which he shouldnt have since he was more effective only pitching 1 inning.
NYDCYankee
12-04-06, 09:13 PM
Don't get me wrong, I didn't mean for you to interpret what I said as "no, you're wrong...it should be like this."
Once I start ranting about a topic, especially the Yankees....it's hard for me to stop. lol
No I know. I just saw Lowry might be available and thought he was a young lefty that could be bought low on. He has had some very good games. That being said, I have advocated all offseason long to go with our young guns.
Stupid Flanders
12-04-06, 09:14 PM
Listen I dont disagree. If I had my way. The rotation would be:
Wang
Moose
Hughes
Sanchez
Clippard
are you eating the $26M for Pavano and Johnson?
panicfan
12-04-06, 09:16 PM
Who says either will be able to pitch next year, even if we want them to.
are you eating the $26M for Pavano and Johnson?
NYDCYankee
12-04-06, 09:18 PM
are you eating the $26M for Pavano and Johnson?
That is my ideal rotation. I would move Pavano to the 1st taker.
I know alot of people think RJ will be hurt for the majority of the year. I don't see that. I expect him to pitch and pitch better then he has. I see him in the rotation.
I just would prefer what I outlined.
Roberto Kelly
12-04-06, 09:31 PM
There is a blurb on mlbtraderumors.com that said the Yankees were talking to the Cardinals about a Pavano trade.
www.mlbtraderumors.com (http://forums.nyyfans.com/www.mlbtraderumors.com)
wang+cano=future
12-04-06, 09:35 PM
There is a blurb on mlbtraderumors.com that said the Yankees were talking to the Cardinals about a Pavano trade.
www.mlbtraderumors.com (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com)
What players are involved in the rumor other than Pavano because I can't find the rumor on that site?
CallOfTheCrow
12-04-06, 09:35 PM
Pavano isn't even in Johnson's league when it comes to questioning his status for next year.
If Randy is hurting yet his team needs him, he's going to take the hill. Pavano is a little nancy boy. I'm counting on Johnson over Pavano without question.
NYDCYankee
12-04-06, 09:35 PM
There is a blurb on mlbtraderumors.com that said the Yankees were talking to the Cardinals about a Pavano trade.
www.mlbtraderumors.com (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com)
That might make sense for the Cards.
CallOfTheCrow
12-04-06, 09:38 PM
How reliable is that site? Is it wild, assbackwards speculation or are these trades that have either been seriously considered, proposed, &/or just something that would make sense to both parties?
HA! Bartolo Colon thrown into a package to land A-Rod? Oh I think I'll wet my pants.
Pass.
Roberto Kelly
12-04-06, 09:39 PM
What players are involved in the rumor other than Pavano because I can't find the rumor on that site?
Sorry. It got pushed off the page when they added new content since I posted. You have to click on the Dec. 2006 link on the side. Here is the text:
Cardinals Trade Rumors
Bernie Miklasz of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch (http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=423977) checks in with some Cardinals trade rumors. And I quote:
"Talking Pavano trade with Yankees (but Jocketty denies)...still monitoring Schmidt...More focus on Padilla and Batista ...front-runners for Luis Gonzalez, but price may be getting too high...Strauss thinks they will make a trade this week; could be part of a 3-way."
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Roberto Kelly
12-04-06, 09:41 PM
How reliable is that site? Is it wild, assbackwards speculation or are these trades that have either been seriously considered, proposed, &/or just something that would make sense to both parties?
HA! Bartolo Colon thrown into a package to land A-Rod? Oh I think I'll wet my pants.
Pass.
It is basically a clearing house for rumors reported elsewhere. I don't think it has much by way of original content.
CallOfTheCrow
12-04-06, 09:57 PM
Man I wonder what this (if it's true) trade that will rock the baseball world is going to be according to ESPNews.
Roberto Kelly
12-04-06, 09:58 PM
Man I wonder what this (if it's true) trade that will rock the baseball world is going to be according to ESPNews.
I'm thinking it's the Manny deal...I didn't see it on ESPNews, but wasn't it Bowden who made the comment? I've seen the Nationals linked to the Manny talks.
ABCBaseball
12-04-06, 09:59 PM
There is a blurb on mlbtraderumors.com that said the Yankees were talking to the Cardinals about a Pavano trade.
www.mlbtraderumors.com (http://forums.nyyfans.com/www.mlbtraderumors.com)He'd probably go there and win 18 games.
CallOfTheCrow
12-04-06, 10:01 PM
I'm thinking it's the Manny deal...I didn't see it on ESPNews, but wasn't it Bowden who made the comment? I've seen the Nationals linked to the Manny talks.
Supposedly it's going to be involving the Nats. If I had to guess, it would be this.....
Manny sent to Washington for Chad Cordero + other players because that fills the void for Boston's closer situation.
Washington then ships Manny to San Fran for......I dunno, Cain? Lowry?
NelsonMuntz
12-04-06, 10:02 PM
I'm thinking it's the Manny deal...I didn't see it on ESPNews, but wasn't it Bowden who made the comment? I've seen the Nationals linked to the Manny talks.
From what I've been hearing, the Nationals might be part of a three-way with the Sox and Giants, offering closer Chad Cordero as part of the deal, with a pitcher like Noah Lowry headed toward D.C.
Roberto Kelly
12-04-06, 10:05 PM
From what I've been hearing, the Nationals might be part of a three-way with the Sox and Giants, offering closer Chad Cordero as part of the deal, with a pitcher like Noah Lowry headed toward D.C.
As a Yankee fan, I'd definately be happy with that deal.
ABCBaseball
12-04-06, 10:06 PM
As a Yankee fan, I'd definately be happy with that deal.I'm happy with any deal that gets Manny out of boston...
Panamaniac42
12-04-06, 10:06 PM
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The Red Sox, Mariners and Giants have discussed a deal that would send Manny Ramirez to Seattle, Richie Sexson to San Francisco and J.J. Putz to Boston, according to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer.
The Red Sox would also receive Adam Jones and Noah Lowry could go to Seattle in one permutation. The Post-Intelligencer believes there's little chance of anything getting done. Still, it's fun to think about, right? Dec. 4 - 10:12 pm et
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CallOfTheCrow
12-04-06, 10:09 PM
The possibility of Manny being traded could rival the amount of "refresh" clicks during the Matsu-saga.
In Mo I Trust
12-04-06, 10:10 PM
From what I've been hearing, the Nationals might be part of a three-way with the Sox and Giants, offering closer Chad Cordero as part of the deal, with a pitcher like Noah Lowry headed toward D.C.
I'd do cartwheels if a deal like this went down.
Theo looks like he still a little rusty since his vacation last winter so I could see him trading Manny for JJ Putz and Adam Jones.
Panamaniac42
12-04-06, 10:19 PM
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According to USA TODAY's Bob Nightengale, the Orioles inquired about whether Jeff Bagwell would be interested in becoming their designated hitter.
Agent Barry Axelrod told the team that Bagwell is still planning to retire.
The Orioles are a f'ing joke. I will never forget Duquette coming on air during an O's-Yankees broadcast and talking a bunch of sh*t about the Yanks and then bragging about what the O's were going to accomplish this offseason. PATHETIC.
Dr. Gonzo
12-04-06, 10:21 PM
I'd do cartwheels if a deal like this went down.me too, i hope it is true
CallOfTheCrow
12-04-06, 10:21 PM
Looks like the D-Rays & Boston are pursuing Dotel
JeterRodriguezSheff
12-04-06, 10:21 PM
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The Red Sox, Mariners and Giants have discussed a deal that would send Manny Ramirez to Seattle, Richie Sexson to San Francisco and J.J. Putz to Boston, according to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer.
The Red Sox would also receive Adam Jones and Noah Lowry could go to Seattle in one permutation. The Post-Intelligencer believes there's little chance of anything getting done. Still, it's fun to think about, right? Dec. 4 - 10:12 pm et
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Haha J.J. Putz Adamn Jones and Noah Lowry for Manny. How I hope that happens.
CallOfTheCrow
12-04-06, 10:22 PM
Looks like the D-Rays & Boston are pursuing Dotel
http://http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061204&content_id=1750810&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy
Hughes2.50
12-04-06, 10:23 PM
The Yankees have inquired about the availability of Damasco Marte from the Pirates. He's a nice lefty set up man that just signed a two year deal for about 5 million last week.
JavyVazquezIsSick
12-04-06, 10:24 PM
The Yankees have inquired about the availability of Damasco Marte from the Pirates. He's a nice lefty set up man that just signed a two year deal for about 5 million last week.
Wherd' you hear this from?
CardNYY
12-04-06, 10:24 PM
That might make sense for the Cards.
groundball pitcher. Yes it does. But... I'll pass...
Roberto Kelly
12-04-06, 10:24 PM
There's also talk that Cashman will be visiting resigning Cairo. I'm sorry, but I think that's a mistake. I mean, if you are going to settle for the utility position, might as well go with Nick Green who will give you similar production and cost about 500 K less. I'd actually like to see us look into Aaron Boone. At least there wouldn't be as much of a drop off in the event of an injury.
There's also talk that Cashman will be visiting resigning Cairo. I'm sorry, but I think that's a mistake. I mean, if you are going to settle for the utility position, might as well go with Nick Green who will give you similar production and cost about 500 K less. I'd actually like to see us look into Aaron Boone. At least there wouldn't be as much of a drop off in the event of an injury.
Nick Green is an abysmal hitter. Not to say that Cairo is anything but a hacker, but at least he can do other things offensively.
Hughes2.50
12-04-06, 10:29 PM
<a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061204&content_id=1750675&vkey=hotstove2006&fext=.jsp"><b>Rangers sign Padilla</b></a> for 33 million for three years, with a fourth year option for 12 million.
cmaff05
12-04-06, 10:30 PM
Nick Green is an abysmal hitter. Not to say that Cairo is anything but a hacker, but at least he can do other things offensively.
What can Miguel Cairo do that Nick Green can't?
Hughes2.50
12-04-06, 10:31 PM
Javy I just re-checked the source, and it is the Beaver Pa Journal (I can't get a link) to post.
JavyVazquezIsSick
12-04-06, 10:33 PM
Javy I just re-checked the source, and it is the Beaver Pa Journal (I can't get a link) to post.
Ok thanks, Marte has been pretty dominant against lefties, he'd be a great pickup. But I really don't know what the Pirates would want in return...
Roberto Kelly
12-04-06, 10:33 PM
Nick Green is an abysmal hitter. Not to say that Cairo is anything but a hacker, but at least he can do other things offensively.
I think they are equally abysmal, one would likely be cheaper. I'd really like to see an upgrade in this roster spot.
NYDCYankee
12-04-06, 10:38 PM
Nick Green is an abysmal hitter. Not to say that Cairo is anything but a hacker, but at least he can do other things offensively.
Cairo
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/stats/individual_stats_player.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=111867
Green
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/stats/individual_stats_player.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=407797
Green is younger and better
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12-04-06, 10:47 PM
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The Red Sox, Mariners and Giants have discussed a deal that would send Manny Ramirez to Seattle, Richie Sexson to San Francisco and J.J. Putz to Boston, according to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer.
The Red Sox would also receive Adam Jones and Noah Lowry could go to Seattle in one permutation. The Post-Intelligencer believes there's little chance of anything getting done. Still, it's fun to think about, right? Dec. 4 - 10:12 pm et
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That deal actually makes some sense.
JeffWeaverFan
12-04-06, 10:49 PM
What can Miguel Cairo do that Nick Green can't?
Well, Cairo is a great slider. (I'm not even being sarcastic, he really is a great slider. Maybe the best slider I've seen...)
JavyVazquezIsSick
12-04-06, 10:52 PM
Well, Cairo is a great slider. (I'm not even being sarcastic, he really is a great slider. Maybe the best slider I've seen...)
I believe Larry Bowa called him the best base runner on the team as well...
NYDCYankee
12-04-06, 10:55 PM
What can Miguel Cairo do that Nick Green can't?
Cairo can not hit home runs.
The Yankees have inquired about the availability of Damasco Marte from the Pirates. He's a nice lefty set up man that just signed a two year deal for about 5 million last week.
Enrique "Freakin'" Wilson.
NYDCYankee
12-05-06, 01:11 AM
Still looking at Lilly
http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1165297516144250.xml&coll=1
Ugh
NYDCYankee
12-05-06, 01:12 AM
And the Rockies are still asking about Pavano.
If Cash signs Lilly after the ridiculous amount he spent on the bid for Igawa, my continue of him will continue to plummet.
On the other hand, as Iceberg has often pointed out, Graziano is often wrong.
ARoDfan4life
12-05-06, 02:17 AM
Just heard it on the fan at work Sweeny Murti saids Brian Cashman is going after Brad Penny ...
Penny has been a slightly above average pitcher the last two seasons:
ERA+:
2005: 104
2006: 106
His contract:
07:$7.5M, 08:$8.5M, 09:$8.75M club option ($2M buyout)
Unless he can acquire him without giving up quality prospects, Cash is focusing too much on cost savings for a franchise whose biggest strength is their financial advantage.
NYDCYankee
12-05-06, 02:36 AM
Just heard it on the fan at work Sweeny Murti saids Brian Cashman is going after Brad Penny ...
What else did he say? I wonder if that he means he is discussing ARod with the LAD.
ARoDfan4life
12-05-06, 02:43 AM
What else did he say? I wonder if that he means he is discussing ARod with the LAD.
nope no a-rod to LAD Farnsworth is being discussed
NYDCYankee
12-05-06, 02:44 AM
I do Farnsworth for Penny in a heartbeat.
NYDCYankee
12-05-06, 03:11 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/477278p-401556c.html
Bill Madden
NYDCYankee
12-05-06, 03:58 AM
Waiting on Andy
http://www.nypost.com/seven/12052006/sports/yankees/yanks_pitch_bronx_to_uncertain_pettitte_yankees_george_king.htm
yank4life2005
12-05-06, 06:00 AM
I would love a Farnsworth for Penny deal but I would insist they take Pavano to offset salary.
For utility infielder why not a guy like Jerry Hairston Jr.? He can play multiple positions and would come cheap.
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